Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Marvin Sapp's $40K Donation Request, Ryan Coogler JoinsShannon

Episode Date: April 6, 2025

Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the best pop culture moments of the week, including Marvin Sapp asking for $40K from the congregation, Ryan Coogler discusses the filmmaking process & his New Movie Sinners, & much more!04:20 - Brush Before or After Breakfast? Later, Unc & Ocho Talk Nepotism15:50 - Ryan Coogler joins the show49:30 - Marvin Sapp asks for $40K from the congregation(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, there's another debate going on Twitter. Do you brush your teeth before or after breakfast? Ocho, are you teeing before or after? Uh, after. Both? After? The hell you eat your, you don't sip all night, mouth funky, the food is bad, hell no. Hold on, so you

go, wait a minute, you have that minty taste, that minty taste in your mouth, and then you go eat the food, and the food don't taste nothing like it did because you got all the goddamn crescent listerine in your tooth? Absolutely not. I brush my teeth before. Then I go back. Then after I eat,

I go back upstairs, brush them again. I eat before I go to work out. I brush my teeth again. I come home. I eat, brush my teeth again. I lay down,

take a nap, brush my teeth again. Hey, Roy's the taste of everything. Nah, hell nah. Man, my mom been fucking, you been sleeping all night, and then you go, oh, no.

Mm-mm. I can't do that, though, too. No? Mm-mm. I mean, we're teachers on, but once I'm finished, I'm in that thing Going to work on them boys And last night You don't You don't know You don't

Hey booty Oh Oh Hey no I don't I'm saved Nah Them days over

No No No Nah But them days I don't do nothing like that No more boy Nothing like that

You do No I'm promise I don't even go I don't even go past that no more, boy. Nothing like that. You do. No, I promise. I don't even go past the waist no more. Mm-hmm. I don't even go past it. I don't go past it. You put your tongue in the belly button too, don't you? Huh?

You put your tongue in the belly button too. Got all that lean in there. Yeah, I used to. I used to. Used to. Yeah, them days long gone, man. I'm telling you, I'm a different man. I used to. Used to. Yeah, them days long gone, man. I'm telling you, I'm a different man. I got saved.

I told you, I got saved. I got saved. I got baptized because the last one was wearing off. And I'm moving different this year. I'm walking different this year. My head is high this year. Man, you wake up at 8. Everybody wake up in the morning

and breath smell like get back. You will go downstairs and eat. Yes, I'm going downstairs. I'm going to make my strawberry Pop-Tarts. I'm going to make my cream of wheat for my quick roast meat and cream of veal. I'm not even talking to nobody before I brush my teeth.

I'm not even having a conversation. And you know what? You know what? So if you have a partner, right? Let me ask you something. If you have a partner and y'all wake up in the morning, would you kiss her before brushing your teeth? No. And you don't love her?

I love her. No, you don't. Let me tell you, I had a situation, man. I was you don't. I don't love her. Let me tell you, I had a situation, man. I was dating this woman. Talk to me. Hold on, hold on. Let me get comfortable. Come on.

You be having the stories. Come on. And you know, you know your boy, hey, Ocho, you know your boy, hey, 2-3 in the morning.

Yeah. You know she You know she touched my chair She touched Hey Ocho I would have to go run Brush my teeth What?

Oh you can't You can't mess up the momentum What did we talk about? That's what she told me, Ocho. Good habit, Ocho. I had to break some habits, Ocho. I had to. Wait.

In that moment, in that specific moment, during that time, you had to go brush your teeth. Mm-hmm. And ruin the momentum. It ain't ruin nothing for me. I don't think anybody ruined it for her. It ain't ruin nothing for me.

I was good. I came back and peed right over where I left off. It ain't ruin nothing for me. I ain't got to. Listen, man. I ain't got enough for me I ain't got listen man I ain't got nah you you know

you know you know when you got the right one but I but you don't have to do all that you know I you know

killed my homeboy hell no I'm just a real I'm real like Self conscious like that Right But you know It's

I ain't brushing my teeth Ain't nobody It's Hey That don't That don't man That's I'm telling you

If it's the right one All that Don't even matter That's out the window That's out the door You're not even You're not even Subconsciously

You're not even thinking about You know what I didn't brush my teeth yet It's You know what I love you Let me kiss her I'm not talking about

Tonguing I'm talking about Just actual Hey Hey Ocho Did I got slick Did I got slick What you did

In the bathroom Yeah Go brush the teeth Right I go lay that down For about 30 minutes Right Did I do Hey, Ocho, then I got slick. Then I got slick. What you did? In the bathroom. Yeah. Go brush the teeth. Right. I go lay that down for about 30 minutes. Right. Then I do. Okay.

Okay. I like it. That's different. I couldn't do it, though. You couldn't do it, Ocho? Nah. Ocho said, when the moon hit. That's it. Right then and Nah. Or just say, when the moon hit. That's it.

Right then and there. Right then and there. No ifs and what's about it. Right then and there. Wherever you touch me, like my grandma used to say, wherever you show out, that's when you get woe out. Wherever you touch me, right then and there. Okay. Ochocho Packer safety Xavier

McKinney started this course today when he tweeted nepotism is always okay and justified unless it's a black man doing it then it's a problem you mofos are corrupt and brainwashed all and for all you black folks in the media stop we can't say that word Ocho but it's c-o-o-n-i-n-g because they'll they'll they'll flag us so okay see that's a that's a racial slur yeah so we i've i've had to learn the hard way right right right but y'all know it's the it's the trash fandom he said y'all stop trash pandering uh and being puppets. You ain't tired yet? Damn.

Ocho, you agree? Yeah. Come on. We talked about this before. We talked about this before. It's always a problem. It's always a problem when we do it. When we put those that are part of our family tree in positions, and we're in a position of power,

and we allow them to stand up the ladder. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it stand up the ladder. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it happens all the time. It happens all the time with our brethren. Anytime we do it, it's always an issue and it's brought to the forefront

on why we do it because when we put the... Andy Reid put his sons on the coaching staff, Bill Belichick put his sons on the coaching staff. But there's no problem. This has been going on

for a very long time. It happens all the time. Not in just sports, but in the corporate world as well. It happens all the time. Hell yes. But we're the only ones that were not supposed to do it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's frowned upon. It's frowned upon. It is. It is. And listen, we just call a spade a spade. A lot of times we be doing it though

they don't they don't really talk about no nepotism right they're like hey I'll get in position I'm A and we see it all the time

people get in position they call their homeboys all the time qualifications don't matter but we understand Ocho we're not allowed that libertyifications don't matter, but we understand, Ocho. We're not allowed that liberty. We don't get that freedom. We can't be putting

no homeboys in that ain't qualified. Now, if my homeboy's qualified, we can do it, isn't it? Oh, the qualifications. Hey, you got to be careful. You can't just hire

your homeboy now. You know, homeboy get comfortable Think they can get away with doing certain things Absolutely Because you're cool Nah it ain't about being cool now Nah we I gotta finish the run

Whatever it may be We still got work to do now Man The Washington Wizards need their butt kicked Indiana scored 162 points In real life? man the Washington Wizards need their butt kicked Indiana scored 162 points in real life or video game against the Wizards

that's embarrassing 162 now there was once upon a time in the 80s Ocho it was customary you see 150, 140 games I mean I think the NBA record somebody scored I think 183 to 181 was the final in triple overtime

but uh this was a real game and we not talk about the all-star break a real game you let somebody score 162 162 to 109 I bet they must have shot 3's the whole game

nah Washington wasrees the whole game. Nah, Washington was terrible the whole game. Let's see. The words are out. For the most points in NBA franchise history and the most allowed, they had nine players in double figures. The Pacers did. Let's see.

Pull up the box score right quick so we can get this. Ocho, and they did the uh the paces did let's see pull up the box score right quick so we can get this uh ocho and they did this on the road they weren't even home ah and no player played more than 25 minutes that's nat alabert had 29 and 25 minutes uh miles turner had 17 and 21 minutes neesmith had 11 and 19 siakamam had 13-23. And then you just... Guys just went to work. That's crazy. That's embarrassing. Somebody didn't care. They shot 64% from the floor.

57% from the three. They were 27-47. 17-19 from the floor. I mean, from the free throw line. McKinney's right. Join Blacktop. I mean, I wish my kids wanted to do something in here

that I could, like, look, you start, you know, you ain't got to, you know, send no resume in. You know the CEO. Tell them who your reference. Hey, listen.

When your kids come in, all they're going to want to do is work. That's what I'm saying. Understanding how serious you are about club shakes. They know. About nightcap. They know. Hey, this train got to keep rolling now.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think you got to be weary. You got to be weary. Sometimes your kids want... But I mean, look, they don't want that. I'm tough. I mean, I'm probably tougher on my kids than I would be somebody else.

And everybody knows that works with me. They know the expectation that I have. Right. Gosh. What did Kayla say? I don't want to work for my daddy. He yelled too much. Oh, I am.

Oh, absolutely. Yeah, I make no mistake. I'm tough on everybody. Hell, if I'm tough on my damn self, what I'm supposed to be easier on everybody else? I should be easier on myself uh huh we got a very special guest

the director Black Panther the director of Creed he's a recipient of four NAACP image awards he's been nominated for two academy awards the Golden Globe and the Grammy he's the director as I mentioned Black Panther and Creed he has a new movie that's

coming out in April called Spiders. Here he is, Ryan Coogler. Ryan, how you doing, bro? I'm happy to be with y'all, bro. I'm happy that you're with us. Man, I'm feeling good, bro. Big fans of y'all coming up. I used to play football not as well

as y'all. But big fans of y'all there. And then watching y'all transition, man, it's been beautiful, bro. It always warms my heart when I see athletes prolong that career, you know what I'm saying? Well, let me ask you this, Ryan. Okay, you played football. Did you have professional or collegiate aspirations? Absolutely, bro.

Yeah, absolutely, bro. I used to play with Marshawn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We from the same neighborhood, so okay. You know, I played against him in Pop Warner High School and College. Yeah. I played at Sacramento State.

So also, bro, we both played for the same coach you remember Coach Steve Mushegin hey Coach Moose Coach Moose got me my scholarship at Sacramento State that's me scoring a touchdown on Davis right there on UC Davis

oh that's live I was I played slot I was not like y'all bro but I paid for school you slap. I was. You talking to him? Not like y'all, bro, but I pay for school. You know what I'm saying? I pay for school. You feel me there?

Yeah, there I go. Yeah. And that's dope, man. Hey, Coach Moose is good, man. Coach Moose. So let me ask you this. Okay, you go to college. You have a nice little college career.

When did you decide to say, you know what? Film is going to be the direction of that go in yeah bro that's a great question so so um i i got my first scholarship to a school called saint mary's college it's known as a basketball school we had we used to have a football team um and then they dropped the program after my freshman year okay i. I played quite a bit that season. Like, I was returning kicks. You know, I was playing receiver. I played a little bit of DB that year. And so I got some more scholarship offers.

But while I was there, there was a woman named Rosemary Graham who taught a creative writing class. And she read something that I wrote. And she was like, hey, man, you should think about writing screenplays. You know, my girlfriend at the time, she's now my wife, she bought like hey man you should think about writing screenplays you know my girlfriend at the time she now my wife she bought me a little software uh that I could write screenplays but I fell in love with it man so so by the time I transitioned to Sacramento State I was doing it on the side taking taking writing classes and and shooting shooting um short films with my homies you know um and then I applied to film school in 2007 it was crazy bro

because we was in I was doing real well going into my senior year and I got an injury doing seven on seven where I walk on a cat was trying to walk on a team

was over eager and he caught me on a post and broke my zygomatic arch right here so it was I was eight weeks off where I couldn't lift I couldn't do anything

and during that time I realized like I need to I need to put this application in for film school man football is is fleeting you know what I'm saying

so I applied to USC film school and I got accepted I found out I got accepted like in the middle of the season and right around that time man I started to find myself my mind wondering

when I'll be on the field thinking about something else I'm thinking about I'm thinking about a movie I want to make. I'm thinking about being on set. You know, that shit is dangerous when you're doing that. Football, you got to be all in. And I was counting on you, you know what I mean? Right.

That's dope, man. I want to talk, listen, I'm a movie head. I enjoy films. I enjoy the arts and the crafts of it. I enjoy getting lost in character. I get very passionate when I talk about stuff like this. So I watched the trailer for Sinners. And to me, it seemed like a unique blend of supernatural action, you know, mystery and psychological theory.

How did you approach this genre and bending concept? And what was it about this story that made you want to tell it? Man, that's a beautiful question man so so so i had an uncle who was from mississippi not from but i had an uncle was from mississippi and he was like the oldest member of my family all this male member of my family you know i'm saying so whenever i kicked it with him he want to listen to all blues records and drink all the whiskey you know i'm saying and um and he passed away while i was working on creed in 2015 and i never really really reckoned with with his passion you know what i'm saying i would

i would put blues records on to think about him and that was how i got the idea for this man like like you know coming off of coming off of black panther it was a real long movie that would kind of for everyone we dealt with a lot of tragedies a lot lot of misfortune dealing with the COVID situation. So for me, I wanted to make something that was quick, but also something that was very unique,

very profound, you know what I'm saying? And I wanted to play in a genre rock and incorporate music, but I also wanted to make something that was a little scary, man. Because, you know,

Black Force, we like that. You know what I mean? We like being here and talking at the screen, you know what I'm saying? I think it's something that was a little scary, man, because, you know, Black Force, we like that, you know what I mean? We like being here and talking at the screen, you know what I'm saying? Something that... Exactly, boss. Exactly.

I think we have some incredible filmmakers that have capitalized on the medium, you know what I'm saying? I think of Jordan. Jordan Peele. Get out. Yeah, but Spice done his thing in that genre, Nia Dac Spice done his thing in that genre. Yeah, the Costas done everything in that genre. Yeah.

You know, so I was fired up about it, bro. And, you know, truthfully, bro, it was a chance for me being a product of the great migration, you know what I'm saying,

being born and raised on the West Coast. Right. To get back to the South and embrace that, you know what I'm saying, embrace that part of my ancestry, you know what I mean?

Like, I had the most amazing time making this movie, bro. Mm-hmm. That's dope. How long, I'm just curious, how long did it take to make a movie in general?

I'm not, I don't mean this one in specifically, but I'm just saying in general, what's the timetable like? That's a great question. So this one we made relatively quickly,

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because I write the script too, right? Okay. Sometimes you got to shop the movie around, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, man, and that's not including writing the script, because I write the script, too, right? Okay. Sometimes you got to shop the movie around, you know what I'm saying? Right, right. You know, I can tell you how long my movies all took, so this is my fifth movie that I wrote and directed. Okay. Fruitvale, it takes... Fruitvale Station, yeah. Classic. Classic.

Man, right on. That's crazy I said that, man, but it took me about a year to make that one. Okay. You know, Creed, we shot that, man, but it took me, it took me about a year to make that one. Okay. Um, you know, uh, uh, Cree, we shot that, we started, so Cree, we, our, Cree was about a year and a half, you know, like, like, and a half of that year was just trying to convince Stallone that, that it was, that it was worth doing, you know what I mean? And rightfully so, you know what I mean? He, he was, he wanted to make sure that we was, we were serious about it and, and, and make sure that it would

work, it would work for him. And, um. And then we shot in January. We put the film out in November. That was a fast one. Black Panther took about two years. Started working on it in 2016, put it out in 2018. But, you know, Con of Pharaoh was like a four-year movie. Because I wrote one script. You know what I'm saying? Chadwick passed

away. I didn't even know he was sick. So I had to rewrite that. We got going. The pandemic slowed down quite a bit. And then my lovely actress was sick. So I had to rewrite that. We got going. The pandemic slowed it down quite a bit. And then my lovely actress got injured. So we had to shut down for a little bit. And we put that one out. So I wanted to make something fast after that

four years on one movie. You feel me? But I was blessed, man, to be able to make something that I'm so proud of, man. Really proud of this. I can't wait to show it to y'all. I so proud of man like you know really proud of this i can't wait to show it to y'all i think y'all gonna dig it man listen i'm i know i'm gonna dig it when you watch the trailer for me when it comes to anything that you do whether you're an athlete you have to be a special athlete that puts butts in the seats when you're a comedian you have to

be a comedian that has stage presence to always keep the crowd engaged when i watch the trailer and it catches you when it catches you right away i don't know who did the ending i don't know who did the trailer but i'm telling you right away it catches you and it keeps you and it holds you and then it's like it's an appetizer but it ain't enough it ain't enough because i want to i want to see what's next so now i can't wait to see it and just I'm very passionate and enthusiastic

when it comes to movies bro I've been a fan of yours for a long time all your work everything you've done that's why I can't shut up right now I'm going to tell you

something crazy for real bro I'm going to tell you something crazy we met before bro for real we met at the Tribeca Film Festival

it was the first film festival I ever got into. Spike did a movie called Kobe Doing Work. Uh-huh. And ESPN had the world premiere of it, bro. And I saw you in there, and I went over there and shook your hand, bro. You know what I'm saying? Just on the stream.

You know, just being a fan of what you do on the football field. I was a student of the game, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, what y'all was doing, bro, over there in Cincinnati, man, when it was you and TJ and the boys, bro. I was a student of the game, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, what y'all was doing, bro, over there in Cincinnati, man, when it was you and TJ and the boys, bro. You know what I'm saying? Hey, like, just the

precision of the route running, bro, the confidence, you know what I'm saying? Both of y'all had that. Both of y'all had the mental game, too, bro. I remember Shannon, bro, when you used to be mic'd up at the pool, bro. You know what I'm saying? You want to fight at the pool? too, bro. I remember Shannon, bro, he used to be mic'd up. I can fool, bro. I appreciate that.

Study your movies. A lot of your movies, you got Michael B. Jordan. Now, Michael B. Jordan in this role, he plays a dual role. He's stacking because I'm like, hold on. That look like Michael B. Jordan playing both of these. I said, come on now i had to rewind and look even closer i said it is yeah what is it about mike that you love casting him in your movies if i'm not mistaken he was in fruitvale he was in fruitvale too he happened in all of them yeah yeah even in all of them look

bro like like what you'll find it's chemistry man you know what I'm saying it's a head coach and a quarterback it's a quarterback and a receiver you know like you develop a shorthand

where where you save time you know what I'm saying you establish a time for the rest for the rest of the crew and we're not the first ones to do it man

usually when you see when you see filmmakers work they usually have that Spike and Denzel yeah oh yeah man I mean guy. Spike and Denzel. Yeah. Oh, yeah, man. I mean, big time.

Spike and Denzel, Tony Scott and Denzel. Yep. You know, Square Enzy had a thing with De Niro. DiCaprio. You rekindled it with Leo. Exactly. You know, it's helpful, man. And Mike has a very amazing work ethic. You know what I'm saying?

He's always willing to go, always trying to push himself. He doesn't want to rest on his laurels. You know what I'm... And I can rock with that, bro. So I'll put him in every movie if I can. He'll always have a role if I'm working. You know what I mean? And let me ask you this, right?

How did you come up with the name Sinners? Why the name Sinners? That's a great question, bro. We found that late, man. Like, for a long time, that movie was just called Grilled Cheese. It was a working title.

Yeah, like, so if you put up in Louisiana, you know, this past summer, and say, hey, man, we're Grilled Cheese shooting that,

they would have brought you to our movie. Okay. You know, and the story behind that name was I'd been cooking these long, drawn out, crazy meals. I wanted to make something quick and

fast. I knew it would taste good. You know what I'm saying? So that's how we came up with that. But for Sinners, you know, it was a collaboration between us and the studio trying to figure out the right name for the movie. And we realized that that line, that word was said so many times

throughout the script you know it deals with um blues music and its relationship with the church you know like a lot of times the best blues singers will come from gospel you know i'm saying you'll learn that you know a lot of times like daddies was pastors you know i mean and they singing they singing music about drinking and bumping and grinding and it's in conflict with how they was raised, you know what I'm saying? So that dynamic was one that we were really,

that we were really, you know, once we realized that like, it was like, oh man, it was always in there. It should always

been called that, you know? But this movie, but the, trust no one because this movie has a lot to do with paranoia.

Absolutely, bro. Like, I mean, look, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's dealing with, it's dealing with black culture, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of folks don't know that, like, that, that, I know, I will argue that blues music is the most important contribution that America has made to the, the global pop culture. You know, everything originated off everything comes from that. And when you do the research, it really came from this one specific area of Mississippi.

You know what I mean? Like like in in at that time when when blues was created, it was very hard. It was a very hard place to be black. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And people were trying to, people were trying to affirm that humanity, affirm that dignity at a time when, when, when it was, you know, when it was,

when it was very difficult and people were trying to keep them separate. Right. You know what I mean? And for me, that experience kind of breeds a level of paranoia. You know what I mean? When you can't, when you can't be out after,

after dark in certain towns, you gotta, you know, where you, where you know it, where everybody knows everybody. So when somebody new shows up, you know what I'm saying?

Or somebody who's been gone a long time, you know, it's a little bit, you know, you might look at them a certain way, you know? I mean, how did y'all come up? Man, did y'all come from places where everybody knew everybody? You could tell an outsider

that the job was that? I'm from a small town. There was 3,500 people with two traffic lights. So we pretty much knew everybody. Now, obviously, there were people that would come back from New York or Chicago or Detroit that I wasn't familiar with, but I knew their family. And after a while, they ended up staying. So we were cool with them also.

You said something very interesting because everybody talks about the Mississippi Delta, the Delta Blues. Yes, sir. This film deals with a lot of brotherhood, loyalty, faith. Yes, sir. very interesting because everybody talks about the mississippi delta the delta blues yes sir this film this film deals with a lot of brotherhood loyalty fate yes sir you you did a great job of working in and and and putting all that together and it came together from the trailer for what i saw i'm gonna go i haven't been to the movie i haven't been to the movie since the pandemic i'm gonna go check this one out all right to see how you tie this thing all together now i saw the two minute trailer but i want to see you tie this thing together for 90 minutes yeah yeah i mean i mean we i'm proud of it man and like look another reason

i think you're gonna you're gonna dig it man is your relationship with your brother sterling bro you know i'm sure like whenever i hear y'all whenever i hear y'all talk i gotta imagine y'all never heard y'all was known. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, in that, so these twins, you know, it's a... Stack and smoke. Yeah, smoke and stack. It's an archetype, right? Like, every neighborhood I ever been in had a set of twins that everybody knew that was kind of notorious.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And we plan on that, you know, that relationship between the brothers, man. What makes them similar? What makes them different? You know, I think Mike just did that relationship between the brothers, man, what makes them similar, what makes them different. I think Mike just did a beautiful job with it, man.

I think you're really going to enjoy it. Anybody who got that type of relationship, you know what I'm saying, got a big brother, got a little brother, you know,

they're going to really feel this movie, I think, on a different level. I like it. I got one more question, man. After creating something

like this, something that's so bold, so different, and, you know, you're pushing boundaries, you know, with most of your work and your craft. And again, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to harp on it because I've never had a chance to actually tell you. Now I do. I'm going to make sure I let you know I'm a huge fan of everything you've done. And I'm really, really excited for this.

But do you see yourself continue to push boundaries with more genre films? Or just, I don't want to be too nosy but what's next all right we got another creed coming if we do got another creed coming i want to shoot my shot real quick oh yeah i just like to find a boss yeah we got we got we got another creed coming for sure um oh let me let me yeah yeah mike's gonna direct that so so yeah like like um you know absolutely bro like i, I think we'd love to make something happen for you. And the other piece for me is, like, you know, I want to work a long time, bro. Like, I want to make all types of stuff, man.

And I do love working in the genre space. This is my first, like, movie with all the horror elements. And, bro, I tell all and all horror elements and, bro, I tell you, it's very addictive. You know what I'm saying? Like, like the idea,

the idea of doing something else that, that, that, that isn't this much fun, um, it kind of frightens me

a little bit, man. Like, you know, so, so, so, but we'll see,

man, we'll put this out to the world and see how people respond and then we'll go from there. But I'm, but I'm definitely, um,

I'm definitely, uh, not closing the door on doing more genre work, for sure. It was just too much fun, I'll tell you for real. Right, right. I like it. You know what, Ryan, when I look at it and I think about, like, you did Fruitvale, you've done Creed, you've done Black Panther,

now you're in this genre. It's kind of like Spike, because Spike has kind of been all over the place. He's done Malcolm X, he's done Hurricane. He did Devil in Blue Dress. He's done Harlem Blues. He's done Inside Man. He's done, I think he did Man on Fire. No, that was a really good spot. He did 25th Hour.

25th Hour, yeah. So he's kind of been, is that kind of the, look, I don't want y'all to hold me in there and say, oh, he only does it. If this is comedy, this is right. If it's something to do with Marvel or Black Panther, this has got to be right. You want to be like multifaceted. You don't want to be tied down or pigeonholed or tight-calfed for any particular type of movie. Right. That's absolutely correct, man. Spike is a big hero of mine, man, a mentor.

Same with John Singleton, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Big hero of mine, man, a mentor. You know, same with John Singleton, you know what I'm saying? Yep. Big hero, mentor. And then stepping outside of our, you know, our community. Right. A lot of filmmakers like Steven Soderbergh, you know what I'm saying? Where you never know, you never know what they're going to do next. Right.

But you got to, you know, it's going to be quality, you know what I'm saying? And I do definitely want to continue to push myself, but also push the medium forward, man. You know what I'm saying? It's a blessing to be able to work in a space where you get to work on things that are fresh, work on things that haven't been done before. For instance, with this film, this is the first time that the IMAX camera has been combined with an ultra-panel vision lens. So it's the same camera work, same camera package that was used on Quentin Tarantino's film, The Hateful Eight. That was great.

Yeah, yeah. So you combine that with the traditional IMAX film camera, first time ever. You know what I'm saying? So getting the chance to break new ground and do that with people of color on the screen. Right.

You know what I mean? And a story set in the Mississippi Delta. It's a great honor to be able to do something like that you know you know i mean and if it helps me to be motivated helps me to stay sharp you know um i'm getting to work with people who i've been working with for a long time and it's just amazing i don't want i don't want to be too presumptuous of this but uh i saw something and it seems like uh i forget the two brothers but it's two brothers ocho uh uh and one of them might be cast i want to throw my head in for t'challa you know i'm gonna throw my head in

i'm just going man what's you doing hey i'm gonna throw my head into me hey man get it in there hey hey we can talk about it man hey how you gonna how you gonna, Stilo? Can I get my role first in Creed? Okay. Oh, you okay? You want to be one of the fighters that Creed fight? Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I got an extensive background in combat sports,

so it would be perfect to be able to transition. So I ain't really got to play no character. I can just be myself. I can pop in that thing as Ocho, huh? I feel it. Yeah, all this Hodge. That's my thing. All this Hodge. Oh, Aldis Hodge. That's his name, Aldis Hodge.

Oh, Aldis Hodge, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, they had him already

in the uniform, I'm like, okay. Yeah, he definitely could, he could definitely pass for T'Challa. Yeah.

He could. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Aldis, big shout out to Aldis, man,

he's incredible. You know, he made watches too, bro. Does he? But straight up, straight up, knowing how to make watches, bro. Right, he made watches, too, bro. Does he? But straight up, straight up knowing how to make watches, bro. Right.

Wow. Like a genius, bro. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, were you, as a kid, were you into comics? Were you a superhero fan? Yeah, big time. I had an older cousin.

You know, I'm the oldest of three boys, so I didn't have no big brothers. I've always been looking for one. You know what I'm saying? I had an older cousin who was seven years older than me, who was a big, big guy yeah and i got into him just because he i thought he was cool you feel me so i so that's when i started reading him but i i did i did always read him like um i took a break from a little bit when i when i got serious about sports

right but we still watch the cartoons while you but it wasn't you know it was it was all school and ball for like you know from i would say would say from like, from like eighth grade, like ninth grade, maybe to, uh, to, to, to my senior year of college. And when I went back to film school, I got back into them. You know what I mean? Do you collect them? Man, that's a great question, bro. I honestly, I, I, I do, I do man. Like, but not, but not actively bro. Like what happens now is it's like i'll go to comic con for work and i and i'll go they got they got um they got basically a floor you know where you can go where you can go buy anything by sale yeah i'll go in there hit the floor and copy one or something you know i mean but it's been a while since i've been in the comic book store man i'm not i'm not

gonna hold you give me your top five superheroes. Ooh. Shit. All right. All right. I'm going to go fast. I'm not going to overthink it. I'm going to go T'Challa number one. Okay. And then I'm going to go Wolverine. Okay. Can I put

villains in it? You can. Yeah. I got Magneto number three. You got who? Magneto? Magneto. Yeah, I got Magneto number three. I got...

All right, I'm going to go deep cut. I'm going to go deep cut. Raw Shark from Watchmen. Okay. I know what... go deep cut. Roar Sharch from Watchmen. Okay. I know Roar Shark. Roar Shark. Watchmen. And then I'm going to go

I'm going to go Rogue. Okay. Rogue is gosh. Take her glove off. Touch you. your powers knock you out i mean that's that's yeah that's pretty that's pretty solid i'm surprised you really didn't go with a lot of the old like like superman batman batman ain't no superhero batman they got he can't do it without that belt bro bro batman batman batman was a dog from you know bro like like the fact that i'm saying this without that belt. Bro, Batman was a dog from you know, bro, like the fact that

I'm saying this when I'm saying Batman is crazy because that was, that was, that was, man, that was the one

for us because they had the animated series. Yeah. And we used to mainly, I had a homie from Fresno

who played DB, incredible defensive back, he a coach now. Man, me and him during fall camp, bro, we went half

on the DVD pack. And during them double days, we would ride back to his girl house and watch the movie between his double days, bro. She'll make a little fool for us, bro. We on the couch, bro.

Taking it back to eighth grade, with it. You know. That's live. That's live. So let's Black Panther 3. How long we got to wait?

Not long. Yeah, not long. I mean, there's been a lot of rumors circulating that Denzel going to be in it. I don't know. That's what the word in the street. Yeah, yeah. I have a hint. I'm talking. Yeah, yeah. I'm talking

yeah yeah I've been dying to work with Denzel man and I'm hoping we can make that happen but um but I got every intention on working with him in that movie and as long as he interesting man it's gonna happen

but you know he a living legend man and a great mentor for so many of us It's going to happen. Wow. But, you know, he a living legend, man. He is. And a great mentor for so many of us. You know, like he just, he all about looking out for us now, man. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, what an example, bro, for how to live, man. He got his family around him.

You know, his children. Yeah, man. Like everybody around him. Paul Leather has been with Paul Leather for 40 plus years. John Davis. John Davis used family around him. His children. Yeah, man. Everybody around him. Pauletta's been with Pauletta for 40 plus years. John Davis. John Davis used to train with me in Atlanta. I had retired, but he was down at Morehouse, and the trainer that trained

me, bring him to the track. Tell him how to do certain things. I've known that family for 20, I retired, so like 20 plus years. Denzel is great. His wife, Paul in, I retired, so like 20 plus years. Yeah. So, and Denzel is great. Yeah. His wife, Pauletta.

Yeah. John David. Man, they're unbelievable. Yeah, sure. They're great people. Or see, I just seen Denzel. I wasn't able to actually, I was able to let him know I was there, but he wasn't taking no visitors.

It didn't matter. It didn't matter who you were. I was able to see him last week in New York. I went to see Othello. Yeah. Yeah, he don't play when he on Broadway, bro When he on Broadway, he in a different zone, bro Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah How was the play?

Oh, man, beautiful Beautiful, listen I took drama I took drama in high school So that's why I still have a love for drama And the arts and theater and dance So I really have a... Excuse me.

Huh? Come on, Unc, man. Stop playing, right? And listen, Unc, you already know because you can... Hey, Unc, you can hear me talk when I talk about certain things. You already know it's something I really like now. Hey, why you call Bush when he said dance? I was when he got up in there on you, bro.

Hey, hold on. This is how you know I love dance too. Why you call Bush when he said dance? I was when he got up in there on you, bro. Hold on. This is how you know I love dance, too. Mind you, R.C., I did ballet when I was playing. I just left New Orleans last week. I went to see Alvin Ailey, man, for the umpteenth time since 1988 when my grandma took me to go see him in 88 at the Gussman Theater. I love it, bro. Thanks. Alvin and, bro. Thanks.

Having the chipmunks. Why you on this talk? Hey, come on. Hey. I want to go see him. I'm going to see him. I haven't been to a whole lot of Broadway. I saw Samuel Jackson when he played Dr. King.

Okay. I might not get there. Yeah. Broadway is Dr. King. Okay. I might not get there. Yeah. Broadway is different. Yeah. It is so different than going to the, it's so different than going to an actual movie. Yeah.

I don't know if, you know what I'm saying, I mean, you just went to a, but to sit there and to see, I'm like, damn, this is amazing. Yeah. It's no joke, bro. It's a true actor's medium you know yes like like like whereas whereas in film you know like like it's arguably a filmmaker's medium they'll say television is a writer's medium like like like that that stage is an actor's medium bro they

got nothing to save them you know something they just they just they just up there you know what i mean it's no you got blue, you know what I'm saying? Like, I guess it's just, I was like, bro. And that's what Denzel says. Denzel says he's a theatrical actor that went to the screen. He cut his teeth on Broadway.

Yeah. He takes that, he says some people are staged and they come to Broadway. I was Broadway that went to the, went to the screen. It's interesting too, bro. Cause,

cause like, cause like a lot of people don't, but a lot of people don't understand too. It's like, um, it's like, it's like the culture of, of Broadway,

you know, like, like, um, very similar to, you know, very similar to basketball, right?

Like if you, if you, you know, like basketball is very culturally ingrained in the United States so much so that if you go professional if you go watch a professional basketball game anywhere in the world most of the players is going to be from the states you know what i'm saying if you go overseas to italy and watch a game there or overseas in germany you know what i'm saying like you'll you'll see a lot of players here and with that stage where you know it is so culturally ingrained in the UK.

You know what I mean? Like, it's a part of their culture. They are about the stage the way we are about basketball here. You know what I'm saying? It's in every school. It's in every, you know, so you'll see these British actors getting shipped out all over the place. They ain't on every role. You know what I mean?

They ain't on every, you know, white British actors, black British actors, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. And for me coming up, bro, the first time I hit a Broadway play and really seen somebody get down, you know what I mean?

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it's evident man I appreciate that Sinners arrive in theaters April 18th directed by written by Ryan Coogler he written such Fruitvale Station Black Panther April 18th, directed by, written by Ryan Coogler. He written such great, Fruitvale Station, Black Panther, Wakanda Forever, Creed. And now he's with this one, Sinners, arrives in theaters April 18th.

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We're going to lift him up, and we're going to keep him up there. Ryan, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Hey, I'll see you down the road. No, I appreciate y'all. Man, thank you. Thank you, boss, man. Love it, man. Yes, sir.

We got to talk about this. What? Bishop Marvin Sapp is receiving backlash he locked the doors of the church until they received 40k in donations let's take a listen to this old show okay and they understand the cost that is involved there's 1,000 of you I I said, close them doors. Ushers, close the doors. Close the doors. Close the doors. It's a thousand that's watching online. This is a small seed.

If I get a thousand online to give this, if I get a thousand in the sanctuary to give this, that's $40,000 tonight. Now, everyone up here, we've all sold and seen it, but I need everyone standing up here with us, with me, to plant a seed of $100. Because again, it costs to sit up here. And this is what I need you to do. If you're giving electronically or even if you're giving tangibly, I'm going to have y'all come to the altar and give it because I need to see a thousand people moving. Bring them baskets. I want the baskets up here i want to see the fold

y'all start moving y'all can bring it right now come come come come come a thousand people need to give twenty dollars a thousand people need to give twenty dollars a thousand people online need to give twenty dollars this is easy saints hey well that's always been the, that's always been the church. That's always been the church. But see, they used to be. That's always been the church. I grew up in a church.

You know, that offer and play to come around about two, three times, man. They said, but the Lord said, give what you can. He didn't put no number on it. Oh, no. Where did the Bible say? He said, when you tithe. 10% of your earnings, man.ithe. 10% of your earnings, man.

Yes. 10% of your earnings. Now, he will say Malachi, I think it's through Malachi 3, 8 through 11. He said,

when a man robbed God, he answers the question because he already know what you're going to do. He said, yeah, where would I rob you? He said,

in tithes and in offering. Oh. He said, bring your tithe to the storehouse and I'll open up the windows of heaven and pour you out of blessings

that you will not be able to receive. That's what he said. Now, he ain't telling these jackals to come to me and talk about, see what they're preaching

is prosperity. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. But see, that's why I'm going to the ministry. Come on now, you're picking that.

Hey, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho. Yes, sir. I'll pass the plate around. I'll going to the ministry. Come on now, you're picking that. Hey, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho. Yes, sir. I'll pass the plate around. I'll pass the collection plate. Now, look here. Oh, Ocho.

Hey, don't put no change in the collection plate. God don't like noise. Yeah, dog. God don't like noise. God don't like noise. Hey, playbook. Listen. I'm going to the back.

Uh-huh. Listen. Listen. Hey, paper Listen I'm going to the back Listen You know, Mama said The church, that's part of the building fund The church need new windows You ain't going to tell me how much You ain't going to tell me how much to give Oh, he need a Rolex Oh, he need a jet Oh, he need a Rolls Royce He need a jet. Oh, he need a Rolls Royce.

He need a Bentley. Yeah. He ain't going to have a better, if I'm working harder, he ain't going to have a better car than me. Not that I'm donating to. Yeah. Hey, well, one thing you got to understand,

I've never been in the pulpit. I've never been a preacher, but I do understand the work that come behind it. I do understand the studying and the hours and all the stuff that they have to go through when it comes to running the church and being a preacher, but I do understand the work that come behind it. I do understand the studying and the hours and all the stuff that they have to go through when it comes to running the church and being a preacher. And I'm not going to sit up here and preach because that's not me. I am not going to play with the Lord like that. But in the Bible, it says, God loves a cheerful giver. It doesn't tell you how much you got to give, though.

Exactly. That's my point. That's it. Now, that's the only thing I don't agree with. Now, you ain't finna lock them goddamn doors and I got to get home and watch the basketball game because it's March Madness. Talk about something I got to give you $1,000. Now, the devil is a lie. Now, you're going to open them doors and I'm going to give you what I can.

Now, that's what's going to happen. Or we're going to have to tussle up here in this church. Yeah, then God's going to have to come down and pull me up off you. He's going to have to come down up off his throne because he's the Alpha and the Omega. Omega is high and looks low. So he know I'm going to be tearing your tail up in that church

if you lock them doors and I can't get up out of there. But I would say, but come on now. Hey, they doing too much, Ocho. They doing too much, man. They a trip. They a trip.

And it's a new church. I didn't even know pastors was a job. Because when I grew up, the pastor, he was the principal. He was a janitor Because when I grew up, the pastor, he was the principal. He was a janitor. He cut hair.

He wasn't no preacher full time. That wasn't the only job he had. Right. I swear on you, I did not know that that was a full time job. Yeah. Maybe it's just me.

Maybe that was just a Southern thing. Mm-hmm. But. Yeah. Amen. My pastor was a teacher at the school or he was principal or he was the custodian he was the barber yeah he did other things he wasn't just he just didn't preach maybe that's just i don't know right that's just me hey but one thing

you got to think i'm not sure marvin sap has a mega church but i understand what what goes into it and what entails when it comes to the overhead or a church of that magnitude with a congregation. Well, stop building a church that big. Yeah. And listen, I don't know. I ain't never been there. I ain't never been there. But listen, one thing I do, I love some preaching, boy.

I love some preaching. You know, grandma had me in a church, you know, Sunday, Wednesday, Bible study. I led the choir. You know, I was in the junior church, you know, Sunday, Wednesday, Bible study. I led the choir. You know, I was in the junior choir. I was a junior deacon. I did a little bit of everything. I'm going to need to see where they said that in the Bible.

Oh, it's not in there. And they locked the doors. Oh, it's not in there. Now, that's not in the Bible. No, it's not in there. That's not in there. You know, they rewrite their own story now. You know, we good for that we're good for that going to show you yeah it used to be salvation was free uh-huh but

ministers have found a way to charge for salvation salvation was free but that's a good one everywhere man they did stop look that's a good one now and boy. Man, they did stop. Look. That's a good one there. And it's not the fact that it's $20. It's the fact that he's put a number on it. Right. You don't tell somebody what they should give. That's between them and their God. Yes, sir.

Not between the preacher trying to get money out your pocket. Yeah, especially during these times. I give. I ain't got no problem giving. But he ain't going to tell me how much to give. I ain't got no problem giving. But he ain't going to tell me how much to give. That ain't got nothing to do with him. That's between me. Hey, I'm going to have to answer.

No matter what you think of Shannon Sharp, Shannon's going to have to answer for Shannon. Yeah. You can save one soul, your own. Yeah. You trying to tell me what I need to do i will have to give an account for this i will have to go before that man and everything he's gonna say you remember this you're gonna remember you remember that man they need to see people i don't i don't be like that

though so i don't i don't listen i'm listen i'm with you when you're right i'm with you right now i'm not getting too upset about it because I come from the Baptist church. You know? I've been there. I know what it's like from a little one until I was a senior. Look, I remember sitting on them benches. We had wooden benches. You slide too much, you might get a splinter in your butt.

We didn't have no cushion. We didn't have no cushiony seats. It leaked. I mean, they revamped it, but it was a church. And you felt the Lord come in. They're not in a God all these fans.

Lord, I ain't coming by here. Yeah. Y'all playing in my name. Now, hey, y'all gonna it in my name. Mm-hmm. Now, hey, y'all have to have the other players. Mm-hmm. Hey, those were some good days.

Now you got, I mean, just you mentioned in that video, just bring back memories at church with Grandma in Overtown. You know about Overtown, right, in Miami? Mont Olivet Baptist Church. I'll never forget. Reverend Clark. As I got a little older. My first pastor was Reverend Clark. For'll never forget. Reverend Clark. As I got a little older... My first pastoral day was Reverend Clark.

For real? Yeah. As I got a little older, you know Miami Northwestern where Teddy Bridgewater just won a national championship? Yeah. I started walking from my grandma's house on 44th and 11th. I started walking to New Birth because New Birth, they was at

Miami Northwestern having a church there and I started going to see the honorable victor t curry's victor t curry and became a part of that church and now they over there open lock off 135th everybody that's a part of new birth i know you might see this uh victor t curry i hope everything is good i know i ain't been to church in a while i ain't got no suits but i love you and i'm doing i'm doing right ocho but they've been preaching prosperity for the longest time you remember the televangelist see reverend ike and they had jimmy

swagger and they had yeah oh jimmy yeah hey yeah oh and jimmy swagger got a minute to my father i'm seeing yeah i'm saying hey but i'm, y'all remember Rex Humbard? It was Jimmy Swagger, Rex Humbard. Reverend Ike was the first one because Reverend Ike was having you put $5 and send it in for the prayer cloth. I don't know if y'all remember that. Might have been before your time, chat, but I'm old enough to remember. That's one thing about being old. And once you get to a certain age, you realize that's your only purpose left to do is to get old.

Man, they better stop playing with me. Hey. Man. Hey. Hey, that was classic. Goddamn Jimmy Swagger. Boy, I remember Jimmy. Yeah. Man, I said, man, look here.

That's funny. Like I said, look, I give. The Lord knows you blessed me and I don't have no problem and not only do I give to the church if people in need yeah that's me I don't help people in the wildfires that happen in California

hey Shannon me and my mom my mom ain't got nowhere to go, Shannon. Right. I get you a plate for a couple of months. It is. Hey, I've never, that's the way my grandmother would give people her last. I'm like, why you give her that?

Hey, they ain't got nothing to eat. Hell, we don't need them. You know what I'm saying? ass i'm like why you get that hey they ain't got nothing to eat you know we gonna be okay we got some rutabagas and you know we can make some crack limit no let them make rutabagas right give them what we gonna eat and then we can go to the supermarket and we get some hot dogs but that ain't how bad that ain't how Mary Porter was. She said, son, you know, hey, one day God will bless you. Yeah. Hey, listen. She really truly believed in that. Right. Hold on.

I believe in that and always have, you know. Remember when I used to do the tipping, do the tipping all the time and I would put Proverbs, the generous person will always, I stopped doing it because I kind of got in trouble because people seeing me do that and give the others. So they complaining, well, why are you not sending more to me if you got extra to give the strangers? So I just stopped doing it altogether. Mm-hmm.

You know? So anyway, but. That's the same thing, Ocho, when we gave to Southern. Right. And why did you say, bro, bro, come anyway, but that's the same thing. When we gave to Southern. Right. And why did you say, bro, bro, come on, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What about A&T? What about this? What about bro? Yeah. Yeah. So I stopped. Foremost, Savannah State gets my undivided attention. They're first on the list.

Right. No matter what. Yeah, absolutely. And I love HBCUs. I've matriculated. Yes. And I got a degree from Savannah State. But first and foremost, I'm here sitting in this seat because a lot of people at Savannah State, Haynes Walton, Norman Elmore, Claire Baines, Joyce McLemore, Joanne Green, Steve Smith, Gay Hewitt.

They believed in me. Yeah. They believed in me. So, man, please. But I've always been like that, Ocho. I've always, you know, when I got money, I used to go back and, and,

and, and tithe and, and, and make sure my grandma, Ooh, give me something to put in the church. I give my grandma, you know,

Ooh, you want me to put all this in church? You say, give you something to put in church. You ain't got to put it all there. Keep something for yourself. You ain't got to put it all in there, but you say,

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