Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Mav McClung 3-peat, NBA ASG format, PG receiving injections

Episode Date: February 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week. Topics include Orlando Magic Mac McClung wins his third NBA Slam Dunk Contest in a row, Unc and Ocho hate the new NBA All-Star Game format, Philadelphia 76ers Paul George is receiving injections just to play and much more!04:00 - Mac McClung wins Slam Dunk Contest13:10 - Adam Silver empathetic with Mavs fans regarding Luka trade21:39 - Did you like the All-Star game format?36:44 - Draymond Green doesn’t think Rising Star players don’t deserve to play on Sunday41:48 - Paul George is receiving injections just to play(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Giannis on the... Giannis, we've seen you in the dunk contest. No. No. He's too tall. And not only is he too tall, Giannis doesn't have the creativity

he doesn't have the creativity to win now you know first round you might do a little something but you don't have the creativity to go deeper into the rounds for the dunk contest man right he said I got hacked my kids tweeted that

they came next to my nightstand took my phone out of the charger, went in their room and tweeted, I found out this morning. Yeah, but see, that's the thing. And people get upset about LeBron, LeBron didn't enter. I don't look at LeBron as a creative dunker. I look at LeBron as a power dunker. And if he goes against someone that's creative, he's going to lose.

He's going to lose. There's only a few of them. There's only a few of them. There's only a few of them. Right. But you look at a Zach Levine. You look at Aaron Gordon. You look at some of those guys like that.

You look at a Vince Carter. You look at guys like that. They're creative dunkers. You see when Jordan, see Dominique lost to Jordan. I do think Dominique won. I think Dominique, but you see when Jordan came with the creativity

doing all this and the up and under and doing all this stuff that we hadn't seen before. And you like because before that it was one hand, power dunk, dunk it from the free throw line., dunk it from the free throw line. Jordan did it from the free throw line and put it out there in front of you like this here.

Let you see it. He coming and doing it sideways, rocking the baby with it. You see how that look? That's why Mack McClung. Mack McClung jumped over the top of the car. And then grabbed. And reversed it. And reversed it.

Mack McClung reversed it and then sprint and dunked it over Evan Mobley. He caught up the guy off of a hoverboard, dunked it, and dunked it. Hold on. What about the one where he jumped over the

dude, then touched the rim with the basketball hit the rim with the ball yes and then creativity creativity every time

yes and outside of creativity that's the one he did with every moment you gotta be able to jump first now you gotta be able to jump first and I don't think the big guys

especially the taller guys have enough creativity to be able to do some of that stuff or just it won't look the same because they're too damn tall. They're too tall.

See, that's why Jordan looks so good doing it. Because he's 6'6". Mike McClung looks even better because he's 6'2". And you're like, how long is this guy going to stay in the air? Ocho to take it from the guy. Put the ball on the rim.

He's looking at the rim as he touches the rim. And then dumps it. Think about the guy off the hoverboard. He takes it out of his hand. Boom. Boom. McClung got my kind of vert now. I say.

What do you think his vertical is probably I would say above 45 maybe even 50 50 has there ever been anybody that can jump like that

50 yeah but see the thing is they measure their jump running you know in the NFL you stand flat when you jump

and we've had guys that go 45 and a half, 46. I think Gerald Sensapal went 46. Boss Bailey went 46. We got a lot. Yeah, I mean, just athleticism,

just raw athleticism. In the NFL, they got it now. Good job. I mean, but you can tell a guy that can run fast is normally explosive because that's fast twitch muscle so you look at guys that run them four threes go check their vert those are the

guys that's doing 40 and so so i would i would not be surprised if matt mcclung has like a 48 50 inch vert to be able to be that high over the rim, Ocho? And six, too? You got to have bunnies, man. You got to have bunnies. And he don't have long arms. So you look at a guy like Giannis or a guy like KD that have wingspans of damn near eight feet. Mac McClung really is a normal dude if you saw Mac McClung

walking down the street and you're not an avid basketball fan you walk right past him he look like an average dude yeah that's crazy I didn't know me and his vert was exactly the same check the numbers now but he was in all 50s.

Castle, Matt Castle, had he not missed that first dunk, he missed it like three or four times. So I'm surprised they gave him as high a score as they did considering he missed it so many times. Difficult. Matt McClung, what, he missed the first dunk? I think he missed it, what, one time? You think he ran up there one time.

He's like, okay, I got it now. 50, 50, 50. Ain't a whole lot of, if you go back and look,

I don't know how many times he's got anything, but 50. I mean, bro, you dunking over shack or you dunking over taco fall, man. Come on now. So it's good. It was so it was

and see I think the thing is people don't want to give a guy credit because normally the old when I first started the dunk contest started in the ABA it wasn't NBA and when the NBA absorbed the ABA they brought it

and you had stars. Your guys that actually participated in the dunk contest, they were actually in the game. You had the Dr. J's. You had the Clyde Drexlers. You had the Dominiques. You had the Michael Jordans. You had the Vince Carters, the Colbys.

And, you know, you had those guys. So those were the stars. Now, Mack McClung got the G League you got guys that are like role players that like nobody knows who they are

you're like who is he? so that's that's the problem that they're running into and then and this just when you thought

the creativity like what can they do? Here come Mack McClung and say, I'm going to jump over a damn car. The body of the car, not the hood.

Yeah. The body. And I'm going to reverse it. Okay? I'm going to take it out your hand as you stick it through the sunroof.

I'm going to take it out your hand and I'm going to reverse it. I remember I did that. I did that at Bunch Fall. He was, it's going to be, but he's saving the dunk contest,

Ocho. He really is. He really is. He did an unbelievable job. It's the thing about it. After a three-peat, now you got other players chiming in,

players that can actually dunk, players that are creative, players that we have former dunk contest winners saying they're going to come back. That will make the game that much more interesting. It's getting to the point now, with McClung continuing to win, the dunk contest might be a little bit more interesting than the All-Star game itself. Because they're not even real. Well, no,

but think about it. Oh, Joe. Now the three point competition. I mean, you get, I mean, cause think about it. You get Steph,

you get Dame, you got clay, you got some of the best three point shooters, but none of the best dunkers are in the three point is in the dunk contest. So that's what's like, when you remember, you go back and look at Clyde

going up against Mike and Dominique when Sean Kemp was in it I mean they used to have guys that

Dee Brown remember Dee Brown yep Dee Brown won it Larry Nance Larry Nance I think beat Dr. J in the first one. I think it was back in 83, 84. But it's tough.

And I think the thing is, like I said, for me, I never thought Braun was a creative dunker. Power dunk. Can he dunk on people? Yes. Yeah, absolutely. But I think the most creative dunk was the Rockababy. I think that

was maybe like after the Kobe situation, he did the Rockababy. But I would like to see Ant-Man. I would like to see Ja. I would like to see him go against Levine and Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon said he's done. He said, y'all ain't finna rob me three, both times.

I done got robbed. I done got robbed on this block two or three times. I ain't coming out of this block anymore. Damn y'all. And would be nice and creative as hell too. Adam Silver says he's emphatic with angry, empathetic, excuse me, empathetic with Mav fans,

but believes Mavs did what was in the best interest of the organization. In terms of anger at the fan base, I'm empathetic. I understand Dallas was in the finals last year. I've also said this before. I like Luka very much. It seems truly authentic that he was stunned

and you could see it in his body language. I am sympathetic to the Mavericks organization. I've known Nico Harrison for a long time from his prior tenure at Nike. I've also gotten close to Patrick Dumont, our new governor in Dallas. I can say one thing for sure, whether or not history will ultimately judge as a smart trade, they did what they thought was in the best interest of their organization. I have absolutely no knowledge or belief that there were any ulterior motives.

Ocho, chime in. They thought they did what was best for the team? Can I ask you a question real quick? Chat, can I ask you a question? Yes. The trade was made, it's been about what, a week, maybe two weeks to this point? Two weeks.

How's that trade going right now? Has it? Okay. Got hurt? Okay. I'm just curious. I would like Adam Sandler to come out. Adam Sandler. I would like Adam Silver. He come out. He come out too.

I wish I would like Adam Silver to come out and speak and speak the real. How about you tell the truth? How about you be honest? You know. What you want? What you want to say? I want to say how he truly feels.

I don't want to say exactly how he truly feels. You make it that goddamn trade was goddamn ridiculous. It was ridiculous. But you do realize he's a commissioner. The fact that he's in a position of the NBA. And that's the problem. The fact that he's in a position of power and he can't say

how he truly goddamn feels because he's a commissioner. Have you ever heard Roger Goodell say how he truly feels? Yeah, when the cameras ain't rolling. Okay.

He probably said that when the cameras ain't rolling. Ultra, you got to understand people in positions like that you can't say everything that you feel or you won't be in that position long. And that's the problem with society now. That's the to understand people in position like that, you can't say everything that you feel or you won't be in that position long. I think that's the problem with society now.

That's the problem with people in positions of power. Everything is fake. Everything is PC. They never get in the people some of the things they want to say. The people are saying it at home. But the person that's sitting in the highest seat refuses to say it because they got to be PC. When you had trash quarterbacks, you didn't say that. When you had trash quarterbacks, you didn't say that. When you had trash quarterbacks,

you didn't say they suck. Why didn't you say that publicly? Let's rewind. Let's go back to my career. Yeah. What quarterback did I have that sucked? All your quarterbacks, all your quarterbacks are great.

I had John Kitna, good. And I had Carson Palmer. And I had Tom Rook. What about, there were games they weren't good and you didn't say they weren't good. Whoa, whoa, whoa. This is a game of football.

Now, we strive for perfection. Okay. We strive for perfection and greatness. If we fall short, that means we're good. They weren't bad. Everybody has a bad game. You had a bad game.

I had a bad game. But you didn't say when they had a bad game. Why didn't you say that? Because 99.9% of the time they're good when they had a bad game why didn't you say my quarterback sucked

see you said you want people to speak to nope that's not what you said Chad Chad that's not what he said that's completely different

how you say I want you to speak how you really feel? Having a bad game doesn't mean you suck. You know what? My quarterback had a bad game. He sucked this game. Said my quarterback wasn't good this game.

For one, I don't want to talk like that. For two, I just want Adam Silver. See, that's what we need. You talk about you can't do certain things when you're in certain positions. Look what 45 be doing. I ain't going to say a name. Look what 45 be doing.

Acting a plumb fool. All the things you're not supposed to do when you're at the, when you sit at the highest seat. But he, but you have to understand what he is. He's their Dr. King. They, no, you laughing, but that have to understand what he is. He's their Dr. King. They know you laughing,

but that's how they do him because he's in bolder them to say, to say what they feel. So there's no more. There's no real respect. You throw that at the women, you say whatever. I don't, I don't,

I don't want to live in a society where you get to say whatever, do whatever, and it gets like, oh, that's how I really feel. I don't want to live like that. I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. I mean, it was like that. It used to be like that in the 60s. They said whatever. They did whatever.

You came home in your uniform and you wore your uniform out. They would literally kill you. Because a black man had a uniform on. Nah, I'm good. I think as a society, as we become more advanced, our behavior should also become more advanced. We shouldn't go back.

Now, some people might think that's okay. Let's go back to where it was. Well, where it was for you might have been great. It wasn't great for all. And it's never going to be great for all. But I think it can be better for most. Right.

That's just me. Hey. But no, look, I understand people in position like a commissioner. You have to like sometimes you got to just you got gotta take all that because that's what the owners do. The owners pay you to take all the criticism that they're supposed to give. Okay, okay.

You see how people blaming Adam Silver? He knew about it. So what's he gonna do? You see, David Stern was able to block a trade because the NBA,

they own the Hornets or the Hornets at the time. So they can block that trade because they didn't think it was in the best interest of them. They got no say so on that. It's just like what did Roger say? Roger Goodell, our commissioner, always says,

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Because you're looking at Lucauka, 25 years of age, five-time first team All-NBA selection, and they made a move that came out of nowhere. You didn't hear anything. You heard no murmurs. You heard nothing about Anthony Davis being traded. You heard nothing about Luka Doncic being traded. And all of a sudden, Shams drops that bombshell.

So it caught everybody off guard, and because of the players that are involved and also because you didn't hear anything about it. That is the biggest trait. It's the biggest trait of NBA history. Absolutely.

Absolutely. So. But like he said, we'll see if only time will tell, Ocho, if this was the right move hey and listen only time will tell but it's telling right now Ocho team shot wins the all-star game 41-25 over team Chuck the OGs wins the first ever new formatted all-star game yeah I know I know what you're

gonna say go ahead did you like this format? I didn't like the format. I don't even like the games. For one, the players aren't even playing for real. Obviously, it is an all-star break. You want to be cautious to make sure you're able to come back and get through the all-star break injury-free. The format, it hasn't made it any more interesting than it was before. The point of having this format was to make it more interesting for the viewers, for those that are basketball fans.

But I think they made it maybe five or 10 times worse than it already was. I'm just being honest with you. And this is from someone who who is not a huge basketball fan, but is getting more into the game of basketball. This didn't help any, not one bit. I'm not sure what Mr. Silver is going to do about it. I think maybe the players can come up with a better idea to make it interesting. This just wasn't it. It just wasn't. Yeah.

It's hard to get it back once you lose it. We saw that with the Pro Bowl. And I kept trying to tell those guys on the show, I said, guys, they're going to cancel this. They're not going to keep giving you guys free money like this. You can't play touch football in a tackle football league. And y'all say, listen, I'm not telling you, look,

I want you guys to go. You can play. We've done it. I went to a number of all-star games. You went to a number of all-star games. It wasn't like a regular season game, but it was like a nice padded practice what they were doing and now i mean they're just running down jumping up shooting three they just it's just it's hard ocho and that's what i tell them i say man it's gonna be hard to get it back and this is not it look i get it uh i thought the team shat when they played the uh the up and rising stars, I thought they played harder than.

I was like, you know what? If the East and West actually play like this, okay, this might be doable. You're not going to get the starters to play like that, Unc. You know them boys, they're going to go out there playing hard like that. It's not going to happen. No. I mean, maybe you try one-on-one. Maybe you try horse.

You got to try something, Unc, because this just ain't cutting it. This is not cutting it. Horse is not going to get the viewers. That's not going to grab your attention. You have to have some type of format that's going to grab the viewers' attention and have them locked in the entirety of the time. If anything, I say bring back the East-West and let's say the winner gets home court advantage

or something. Do a buy-in where E-Team puts up a million dollars. If money is an incentive, they will play, huh? You know, that's what the board's about. They already have a few money, so what is an incentive for them to play hard? Well, it

used to be, Ocho, before they started raising the revenue, because when I first went to the Pro Bowl, the winners got $10,000, the losers got $5,000. Well, you really needed that money because if you invited 10, 11 people, that $10,000 was gone. You damn sure better try to win that. That's your overhead.

You damn sure better try to win that game, Ocho, to offset some of that cost. But I just don't really know how the NBA can get it back because the guys have made a decision. They're not going to play hard.

Listen, get it back to the East versus the West. Have a pot. Yes. Have a pot, have the plate. I know the players let the NBA put up the pot. Let's say $5 million,

say 5 million. And the players get to split that 5 million. They get a cut. That's the only way. In order for them to play hard, it has to be incentivized with money. Nothing else. There is no format that's going to get them to play hard.

Think about what you just said, Ocho. Some of these guys got $250 and $300 million and $320 million contract. And now I've got to incentivize you for you to showcase your sport. Let us think about what you just said, Ocho. I've got to further incentivize you to showcase your sport. So this is the collection of the NBA's best player,

24 of the best NBA players. Now I need to further incentivize you. It used to be an honor to go to the All- best player. 24 of the best NBA players. Now I need to further incentivize you. It used to be an honor to go to the All-Star game. It used to be an honor to go to the Pro Bowl. What happened? You know why you have to incentivize it? We're in a different era. All-Star break, that's PTO.

That's the player's PTO. This is my time off. So you telling me I need to work doing my break. Okay. You know what? I made the all-star team. I'm an all-star. It's a great achievement.

You know what? I am honored at the midway point. You feel I played to a certain level where I'm worthy of being one, but you know what? If you're not paying me right, like I'm being paid during the regular season where I do go all out. Nobody plays the all-stars like that. NFL, you don't get paid like you do during the regular season where I do go all out. Nobody plays their all-stars like that. NFL, you don't get

paid like you do in the regular season, Ocho. Baseball, hockey. Ocho, think about this. So if it doesn't mean that much to you, why the hell they complain when they don't make it? Because every year we hear NFL players complain they didn't make the Pro Bowl. And we see basketball players complain. And we

see all of this. But now when you get there, you don't want to play. And I'll tell you why they complain when they don't make the All-Star. Because they understand when they make the All-Star on their resume, it looks good when it's time to get paid. They understand that is leverage for their agents when it's

time to talk contract negotiations. Yes, I'm an All-Star. I'm an All-Pro. Whatever'm an all-pro. You know, whatever it is it may be, that language looks good. Just don't go. Ocho, you know how it is. Once you get to, once you reach a certain level,

what did Tom Brady do? He stopped going. A lot of these quarterbacks, they stopped going. Okay, let somebody else have that spot that's going to be inspired to play and play and play. That's what I did with A. Man, who the back of who first alternate?

Hey, bro, I'm out. Go ahead and take it. Because I understand, like you said, it's going to look good on their resume. I'm not going to go over there and bull job around. I did one year, but I was in a contract year. When I was in a contract year,

I said, hey, contract year? I said, oh, no contract, yay. Hey, contract year. I said, Oh no, y'all not finished. I'm not finna get injured. And we didn't take the two tight ends and Tom Conflin

was running double tight end. I said, y'all kiss my butt. I'm out of this thing. I said, I'm out of here. First quarter. I went and got me

two neat, two ice bags. Put on both. I don't know if they were hurting or not, but they felt good after the game. But I,

I just, this, this bug, this bugs me, Ocho. I really hate it because this is an opportunity. I grew up watching the All-Star game and watching Bird and Magic and them go at it. Isaiah and them. And you see the younger cats, Garnett and Kobe. They was trying to beat these guys. I don't know when this, Ocho, I'm going to be honest. I don't know when this Ocho, I'm going to be honest. I don't

know when this happened. Where the disconnect was, it's like, hey, let's just dunk and shoot threes. Play no defense, dunk, shoot threes. I don't know when in the Pro Bowl that they decided they were going to play two-hand touch. I don't know the exact year, but I knew the exact moment when I said, you know

what? They're going to cut this in shot. But you know what? Who comes up with the format? Mr I said, you know what? They're going to cut this in shot. But you know what? Who comes up with the format? Mr. Silver, you know? Well, he's just trying stuff. You see, I get it. In baseball, Ocho, you throw the ball, you try to put a bat on the ball, and you run the base, you try to catch. But it says, okay, whoever wins the All-Star game,

that's who has home court, home field throughout the playoffs. Well, maybe you might need to do that for the All-Star game, that's who has home court, home field throughout the playoffs. Well, maybe you might need to do that for the All-Star game. Instead of the best record, win the All-Star game. You know who needs to come up with the format for it to be interesting, to get the players to play? The players. Who? The players.

But you know what killed me? All these players. Oh, Michael Jordan. Oh, Kobe. And go look at Kobe and Michael Jordan in the All-Star game. Since y'all love them so much. But that's what I don't get. I love the Mamba mentality and Black Jesus.

And then y'all get over there and y'all lay it down. See, that's the problem I got on, Joe. I ain't got to listen. and then y'all get over there and y'all lay it down. See, that's the problem I got on, Joe. Listen, guys that make it, I think they've earned that right to be there. But you can't applaud and laud someone for how they approach the game, and then you go over there and you lay it down. Because that's what y'all do. That's what y'all do. Maybe they need to have Michael Jordan come in

and give him a pep talk. Nah, Mike chilling with that cigar, man. Mike ain't coming in to talk none, but I'm telling you what the format needs to be. Matter of fact, you know what you can do? Sometimes you can listen to the people. That could always be one. If you don't listen to the people and it's not working, the format's not working

with the NBA officials who create the format, leave it with the NBA officials who create the format. Leave it in the player's hands. You know, they left it in the player's hand. You see, you got two 11 to one 86. You got shooting threes and dogs.

They left it in the player's hand. If that's what you got, don't let the player players. They left it in the player's hand, just like the pro bowl. And what happened? Don't show. You got no game no more.

You got a skill competition. Flag for the ball. Yeah. Yes. So, no, do not leave it up to the players. That's the problem. The problem is that they gave the players too much control. Somebody decided this is the way we're going to do it.

They tried everything. Well, whoever wins this quarter gets 300,000 for their favorites, for the boys and girls club, or your favorite, the charity that was adopted. That didn't work. They tried something else. That didn't work.

This right here was a boot. Look, I love, I love Jimmy, Mr. Beast. And he come out there and the kid won a hundred thousand dollars. But come on,

man, at some point in time, at the end of the day, it's still basketball game. All these gimmicks and all that other stuff, Ochoa, it's still the fundamentals. Look, the MLB, they have the home run derby, but you still, it's an all-star game. You put bat on ball.

That's what it's about. Football is about catching, running, and tackling. Basketball, they tackling. Basketball. They play tougher at UCLA. They play tougher at the Summit in New York. Now, you mean to tell me you're going to do that in the offseason? But come All-Star Game, when it's the opportunity for you to showcase,

for the world to see. Don't lay it down. And then y'all wonder why the ratings. Don't wonder. Don't wonder why the ratings are falling. You know, now you got to be careful now. Now we ask them for the players to play a little bit harder, a little bit harder.

The all-star game on break. Now what happened when somebody get hurt? Then what? I'm with somebody. Oh, Joe, think about the 50 years before they did this. So you make it seem like all of a sudden,

this was a new, something new. Like they just instituted the All-Star game and asking these guys to, you know what, play basketball. You make it seem like they just instituted the Pro Bowl and asked them guys to tackle and catch and run. They've been doing that.

The only thing that they didn't try to do was kill the quarterback. They didn't try to kill the quarterback. But other than that, yeah, you got tackled. God didn't catch you coming across the middle. He ain't gonna really try to lay into you. He might put a

shoulder into you, but you know, I got, they threw me a seam one year and run it. I saw him. I just braced. That's all I could do. He didn't go all out. Guys are not gonna go all out, but you gotta do more than what they're doing. That's all I could do. He didn't go all out. Guys are not going to go all out, but you got to do more than what they're doing. That's just not nearly good enough.

What I enjoyed, obviously, your era and my era, when it came time to the Pro Bowl, we played some football. And now we didn't try to knock somebody's head off, but we thought up now. We thought up real good. You know, I'm here now. Right.

I'm here. Remember when Sean Taylor caught the punter? Caught the punter? Yeah, Brian Mormon. Yeah. I was like,

yeah, yeah. But I get it. But I mean, but I just don't know. I just don't know what else. Something needs to happen. But I mean,

because, you know, I don't know how salaries keep increasing. If the fan viewership keeps decreasing. That's a good one. I mean, I know they about to lock the end, start next year.

They on a new, what, how many billion, $11 billion. I think they got a 11. It was 10, $11 billion with Amazon, NBC,

11 million. Yeah. Over the next, They got $11 billion with Amazon, NBC, ESPN. $11 billion? Yeah, over the next 10 years or something. Oh, 11-year deal worth $76 billion. Come on. Salaries are going. Think about it. Salaries are going.

Supermax players with one team. You build one team. come on. Salaries are going, think about it, salaries are going, super max players with one team, you be on one team, you make X amount of all NBA teams, 350. In five years, that's going to be

400 million. Somebody's going to be wanting their money. Now, y'all get mad when teams trade y'all and keep y'all from getting that

super max contract. Because you see, a lot of people thinking that's what you did with luca to keep from paying 350 hey now we got this thing under control so don't get hey i just like i told you the other night don't show don't get mad about a problem you created i got a question now i understand that luca and his greatness especially on the court they traded him away because the things that were going on off the court in which they didn't want

to be on hand to pay him $350 million for that Supermax. Can you tell me another player who's in line to get a Supermax? Shea can get one, but Shea's going to be $290. So what's the difference? Why is his $290 and Luka's own was going to be $350? Because Luka's zone was going to be through 50? Because Luka.

But that's not Shea's original team. Shea got traded from the Clippers. Wait a minute. Why are they punching him for him getting traded? He ain't got nothing to do with that. Because they call that bird rights. Team that drafted you. Larry Bird.

You can play a guy up team, and it doesn't count as much against the cap or it doesn't count anything against the cap. Oh, man. So now he's missing out on money because y'all decided to trade me. As a matter of fact, if you look back at it now,

you should have kept him. Yeah, the Clippers should have kept him because they traded what they wanted. Kawhi was going to go to the Lakers unless they got him Paul George and that was one of the things

that was one of the pieces that they wanted they wanted they wanted Shea they wanted Golinari they wanted all those first round unprotected picks

they wanted all those picks and they got it and Shea has blossomed um report said Doc did not want to do him. Said, hey, Kawhi, just give this guy a little time. He's going to be special. Kawhi said, I don't got time.

And there it is. So Draymond Green says players on the Rising Stars don't deserve the privilege to play on Sunday. Do you agree, Ocho? That's not nice. I mean, if they're riding the Stars, look at the name. What are they called again, Ocho? That's not nice. I mean, if they're riding stars, look at the name. What are they called again, Ocho? The what?

That means... Hey, Drayvon. Had y'all guys done what you're supposed to, guess what? They wouldn't be. The commissioner's trying anything to drum up interest in this game. You created a problem. And then when other people try to solve and rectify the problem that you guys created, you get mad.

How about you guys play a little harder and the rising stars wouldn't be playing on Sunday. You wouldn't have had this format. Four teams and divided up and this and that. And the game goes to 40. Yeah. I'm confused. But what I'm confused why he's upset for a problem they created i mean

i i don't i don't i don't agree with draymond but obviously he's feeling he might be the voice of reason for other players as well that feels like the rising stars shouldn't be playing shouldn't be playing but listen again what draymond needs to do is get with lebron get with some of the other veteran heads in the NBA and figure out a way to get the interest back and the only thing I can think of

and I know the NBA might not like it is they need to incentivize it even more to get them boys to play hard go back to the east and west and have a pot of money

that the winner can split as a matter of fact and the loser don't get nothing the loser don't get nothing Ocho Ocho. Ocho. You making $70 million a year.

You gonna get incentivized? You gonna get excited about a million dollars? Stop it, Ocho. I didn't pay a million. I said five. Ocho. Think about it. I guarantee you, every one of those guys today that was on that court pulled up in a private jet. After the game, they're going to get on that private jet and go

wherever they're going. It ain't money. Money might have been the motivating factor for them to get to that level. But after that, after, see, that's what you have to really, really appreciate about the really, really greats. The Bradys, the Jordans, the Kobe. After they had

all the money, they had all the fame, they still played it as if they were flat-ass broke. Yeah. Chase, I mean, in order... Now, we gotta continuously incentivize it. I've got to

ask a guy, hey, bro, for an extra $500,000, would you play hard when you're making $50 million? When you're making $50 million on the court and you're making another $25 to $30 off the court. But can you... Just do this for us. Different, but... It's us. Different, boy.

That, that, that, that. At some point in time, they're going to have to come to a conclusion that the game is not going to be played. It's not. How about, I got another one. I got another one. How would you like to see this? Now, you might not like it, but I'm just throwing this out there.

We have all these people in the world that play LA Fitness on the parks. What do you think about civilians playing the NBA players on All-Star break? No. Remember they were complaining?

They complained about Mack McClung. He was in the G League. They complained about him being in the dunk contest. You think they're going to be excited about somebody coming off the street? Listen, I'm just trying to think of things that will get the viewers' attention. Now, that'll get the viewers' attention because you got dudes that play who that never made it. Stars get fans' attention, Ocho.

Stars, why you think teams want to get them? If stars get fans' fan attention then the viewership wouldn't be declining but they not playing hard when you come down and you see a team shooting 55

60 73's what's exciting about that when you miss it when you miss in the 50 or 60 of them you take 65

you take 73's and you miss 55 of them clank clank, you take 73s, and you miss 55 of them. Clank, clank, clank, clank. Nobody runs. Hey, you get a three-man break, everybody run behind the line and try to spot up for a three. Nobody goes to the

hole. That's nothing exciting about that. I don't have an answer. I don't have an answer. Somebody do, but they got to come up with something. They got to come up with something. No, they don't.

Cancel the game. And there wouldn't be an all-star break. Yes, it would. You still have the three-point competition. You have the skills challenge. Oh, okay, okay.

Just cancel. Okay, I see what you're saying. Yeah, the all-star game. Hey, you get selected to the all-star. You're not going to go play. Hey, skills challenge. You want to do the skills challenge're not going to go play. Hey, skills challenge. You want to do the skills challenge?

You want to participate in something? Okay, fine. But there will not be a game on Sunday. That's a good way to look at it. It's not going to happen, but I like where your mind is at. Oh, Joe. Paul George is receiving injections just to play. That's something players do come out

playoff time, not necessarily in the regular season. Paul George is averaging 10 points, 3 rebounds, and 3 assists per game in February. Is it time to sit PG and let him get healthy? I mean, listen, based on the numbers he's had

since the season has started, it's been bad. It's not what we're used to seeing from Paul George. Obviously, you know something is wrong. Based on the type of production that Paul George has been able to have as far as output is concerned, how efficient he's been over time when he's played well, something is wrong with him. You know something's wrong with him when he's scoring. What did he have, 10?

Yeah, he's averaging 10 points, 3 rebounds, and 3 assists in the month of February. You know that's not normal. Everybody knows that's not normal. So something has to be wrong with him. But I'm curious as if he's hurt, why is he still playing? Why is he still playing?

Are they making 50 million a year? So based on the contract, based on how much he's making he'd rather play and hurt the team and his numbers instead of just saying you know what right now i'm not healthy i need to sit down despite what i'm you ain't like that's new how many times you see players do that they go out there nfl players you know in football yes not basketball normally basketball players when they hurt, they out. They taking their – oh, excuse me.

I almost cursed. They taking themselves out. What happened is, Ocho, is that he's with a new team. And when you go to a new team, you want to put your best foot forward. You want the fans. You want the teammates. And so you probably do things – now, maybe if he was at the Clippers, he probably wouldn't do this.

Maybe if he was at Indiana, he probably wouldn't do this. But he's in a new environment, and things are not going. Remember, Joel is just not really coming back. Paul George has been in and out. He's been nicked. I think he had surgery this offseason also. So he's been dealing with some stuff of his own. But Sean is right.

This is not something that... Look, if it's playoff time, yeah. But I ain't taking no damn injections just to practice. Well, I did. But it's different with an NBA player because they play it two, three times a week. I was just shooting up

to play in the game. That's a part of it, though, Joe. I understood. And the doctors, Mr. Sharp, you know, long-term, I ain't worried about long-term. I'm worried about that. My grandma need to eat. Kids need a roof and need to be able to go to school.

So I worry about all that long-term stuff down the road. Right now. Stop talking. You're talking me to death. Shoot this ankle up so I can go out talking me to death shoot this ankle up so i can go out there yeah this ain't a little i can go out there play but it's tough it's tough ocho because what exactly is his injury i don't know is it but but you know a lot i don't know if it's bone on bone. I didn't know if he, you know, some meniscus. I mean, because I'm thinking, Ocho, if he, it's got to be something knee related. Right.

It's got to be. Damn, man. And listen, if your knees are no good or your knees are hurt. That's with anything, Ocho. That's with anything. Youchoa. That's with anything. You play sports but waist down. Waist down, yeah. I mean, they do have the sports in the Olympics

where you see guys with wheelchairs and stuff like that, but that's not professional NBA, NFL. You can't do it. And with the knee, you can't turn the baseball. Basketball, you can't run up and down and jump up and down the court. Football, you can't stop the start. You can't drop your hips. It is hard to play with anything injured waist down.

You can't. And, you know, it's tough, man. It's tough. It's really tough. And, you know, Paul George was a very good player. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, man. You heard your wife play?

You said Paul George was a good player. He ain't a good player this year, Ocho. He's not healthy right now. Okay, so Paul George is good. Listen, he's a good player that is injured right now. And because of the injury, it's hampered his play. That's what I said. He was.

So when he gets back healthy. You make it sound like he's out in the pastures and he's done. A man making $50 million a year, averaging, give me a 10, 3, and 3. Could I interest you in that? Yeah. Could I interest you in that? Hey, hey, you mean his hair? Hold on.

Ash said he hyper-extended his knee in the preseason. Ah. That's what he's been dealing with. But now he's out because of a pinky. A what? Pinky. I guess it's got to be on the shooting hand.

His pinky toe. No, his pinky. His pinky toe. Pinky. A what? Pinky. I guess it's got to be on the shooting hand. It's pinky toe. No, it's pinky. It's pinky toe. Pinky finger. Wait, the pinky finger, it really ain't no, if you're a real shooter, the pinky ain't really enough. Yeah, it is. Enough. Listen, I'm, listen.

I'm a shooter now. Where your basketball at? Get your basketball. If y'all can see this right here. Anybody dang, Steph, if y'all think y'all can see this right here, anybody dang, Steph, if y'all think y'all can take this LV basketball off, come get yourself some. Come get yourself some.

Ocho, look. Okay, okay, okay. I see you. How you think somebody go shoot like that? I see you. But listen, you know, the ball leaves the index finger, you know that, right?

But look at this, Ocho. Okay. And how you dribble. You don't see somebody dribble? How many four-finger NBA players you ever seen? If it's not that important. Right, right, right.

It's important. So listen, I like what you're saying. You see what you're saying so his pinky's messed up his knee is messed up so even though he's making 50 million a year there's a reason he's scoring 10 points a game so he needs to give him a little bit more grace guess what ojo you think they're still putting that money you had to break the positive you think it's still hitting okay yeah all i'm saying is hey

hey Steph Dane y'all want this Louis Vuitton basketball come get yourself some 10 shots from the three

why ain't call out Kyrie Kyrie can get it whoever want it you ain't you ain't know too if you want some come get some

you know what I'm saying though Joe LB basketball that's right Louis Vuitton made a basketball there it is right there You ain't no true. If you want something, come get some. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? LB Basketball. That's right. Louis Vuitton. Made of basketball. There it is right there.

Whoever wants something, come get it. How much that was? Man, see. You see. I'm just asking. You got to ask. It's too much. I'm just asking. Boy, I'm saying. I like that. I like that. There you go. Hey. No, you did. is too much.

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Show me a news clip. Show me a news clip from back in 1967 where you averaged 30 a game. Yeah. Hey, the chat asking somebody, you went to dinner, was you the chef? Or were you sitting out eating? Because it looked like you was in the back cooking.

You have your outfit. Oh, no, it's a little Louis. It's a little Louis Denim set. Oh, okay. You like it? Yeah. Hey, I'm going to clean that, you see. I'm going to clean that.

I'm real clean, you know. Yeah, but I'm going clean, you know. Yeah, but I'm going to get you some articles where they had, I had 31 and 19, dropped 52. Come on, man. You got, listen, you got memorabilia from 20 years

ago, but you ain't got nothing to prove when you scored 30 and 19. Ocho, you got to, Ocho, I ain't got, I mean, I ain't keep, I ain't got some articles prove when you score 30-19. Ocho, you got to... Ocho. I ain't got... I mean, I ain't keep... I ain't got some articles. I do got some articles, though. But they are at my grandma's house. I'll get them. I'm going to get them.

I'm going to get them. Boy, you ain't scored over 10 points, man. I guarantee when y'all play 5 on 5 I bet you got picked last I tell you what go to Glenville right now ask anybody I was always the first pick

when we had pick up I ain't never if I'm on the court and we lost which wasn't often I guarantee you I'm running I'm running next we lost, which wasn't often. I guarantee you, hey, I'm running. I'm running next. I need to see the footage. That's all I asked for.

I'm going to show you. 30 and 19? I had, who we played? We played Southeast Bullock. I dropped 31 and 19 on them. Dropped 52 on somebody. 37, 36. Yeah, on them. Dropped 52 on somebody. 37, 36. Yeah, for sure. Dropped 52 school record.

And got the most record on the JV game. Dropped 39 on them in JV. Got that record too. Got it. You just making up stuff. You making up numbers right now, and if you are putting up these kind of numbers, that lets me know the competition where you was at and where you live.

That's what I do. I made the competition seem like it wasn't no competition. See what I did? That's what I did. There it is right there. Mm-hmm. At Savannah State, I got the intramural record, most points in the game, 48. I mean.

48. I'm not buying it. Eight points in a championship game. 42. High scoring average. You're going to check my resume. Yeah. You're playing against people in the top 300.

No, no. Ain't no eight. Ain't no, the coach didn't like me. I averaged one point a game. That wasn't none of that shit. Nah, nah, no.

Shadow Shark could really play basketball for real though. I was, I was, I was a legit hooper. Show me the footage. Either the footage on VHN or throw me the paper. Oh Joe, if I told you I was better in track and field and basketball

I mean track and field and basketball than I was football, but I played you thought I was lying? You thought I was lying? Go back and look at what that 1985 area players area players

me and Purvis Ellison on the same team Stop playing with me! You know I heard of Purvis Ellison on the same team. Stop playing with me. You know I heard of Purvis Ellison? Y'all ever heard of him? Okay. Nah. I don't know him.

No. No. Hey, listen. They heard of me, though. Down here. Man, you ain't played no basketball. I did play basketball at B-Chart. I just told you not too long ago on a few shows ago when I scored 30 a game,

and you told me I know. Now, all of a sudden, you scored 32. Come on. No, I dropped 52 in a game. No, you didn't. And? Okay. I'm going to show you.

I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. Please. Now, see, this is what I'm going to do. Oh I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. I'm going to show you. Please. Now, see, here's what I'm going to do. Oh, he ain't playing against nobody. I mean. Well, obviously, if you put up those kind of numbers in high school,

you couldn't have been playing against nobody. I don't even think Kobe put up those type of numbers in high school. They said that when I played at Savannah State. You put up them numbers, you ain't played nobody. There's no same numbers in the NFL. That's how I got one of these. I like

that. That looks good. I got one too. Look at there. Part and everything. Got the scar put on my chin. chin vein coming on the side of my head got the waves hey hold on I got me a bus too but it's at the big house Purvis Ellis played in Louisville

Purvis Ellis went to Savannah High Savannah Georgia which is the coastal empire, which was the region that we were in. Now, we were in different classification. He was quad A. I was single A. But when it came to area players, they picked the top five area players.

Ta-da! You know what? It must not have been too many players. Ta-da! I know a guy I played. I was on a team with a guy that was the number one overall draft pick in the NBA, and he won a national championship as a true freshman, and he was the most outstanding player in that tournament. Who?

Purvis Ellison, Louisville, 1986. They beat Duke. Go look it up. Okay. Now, stop playing me on jokes. I've been here. I just needed you to say anything you say. Anything I say, I have footage and proof to go with it.

I have footage and proof to go with anything I say, always. Ocho, I'll tell you something you never heard. Any player that says Shannon Sharpe is a liar, be it be college, be it be high school, be it the NFL, tell me the time. When I tell stories on here, you ain't never heard no blessing man, man, or lie.

It didn't happen like that. Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on. Well, when I tell my story, you never heard anybody come and say I'm lying. We know you lying because it's coming out your mouth. Your lips moving. Anytime your lips moving, your lips moving you lie listen I told you and that goes for everybody

in the chat I will lie for you before I lie to you so anything I tell you is based on life true life experience I've been through everything I've been through all this I've done it all I've lived I've lived a hundred lives man I'm telling you I don't know what you're

all I know was I'm the only man in Glenville High School history to win MVP in three sports and senior athlete. That's all I know. All that other stuff can be speculation, innuendo, and conjecture. But I'm the only one.

In the 50-plus year history of that high school, it's no longer high school, I won MVP in all three sports and I was seeing a senior athlete. You know, you know that, you know, that lets me know,

huh? If you were there, I would still be in it. No, absolutely not. That lets me know the level of competition that you were having to play against and play with wasn't what it should be. It wasn't up to par.

Now, listen, now, if you were down here in Miami, where everybody is elite, and you were able to do that, somebody won Miami State Player of the Year. Why not me? Okay. All right. All I know is my senior year in college, I was State Player of the Year.

Over the guys that played at Georgia, played at Georgia Tech, played at Georgia Southern. If you played football in the state of Georgia, my senior year in college, I was State Player of the Year. Eric Zire, Garrison Hurst. What's the receiver name that you had a receiver? Hey, Garrison Hurst. Y'all better check. He wasst. Y'all better stop.

Hey. I ain't telling y'all no vote. I ain't saying nothing else. But y'all know me. I got footage. I got my footage on VHS. Anything I say, I can pull out footage. I can go into the archives. Why do you think I would lie about something like that? I'm not saying you're lying. I just want to see proof. I can show you proof. All Ocho, why do you think I would lie about something like that?

I'm not saying you're lying. I just want to see proof. I can show you proof. All my stuff is at the big house. I can pull it out, put it on VHS, and show it to you on the TV screen. Anything I say. I can show you me hooping. Ocho, you got to realize.

Drop me a point. Ocho. Drop me 27 games. Back then, people didn't record games. This is in the 80s. People didn't record games like they do when you came along. That was 10, 12 years later. My bad. My bad.

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