Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Mavs fan ejected, Ingram declines $40M, Fultz signs with Kings

Episode Date: February 16, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top stories from the NBA season so far. Topics include a Dallas Mavericks fan was ejected from the arena for mouthing “Fire Nico” on the jumbotron, Brandon Ingram leaves $40M on the table in New Orleans to sign with Toronto, Markelle Fultz signs with the Sacramento Kings and much more!04:00 - Mavericks fan ejected for saying, "FIRE NICO"08:35 - Kevin Durant is still with Phoenix Suns and ready to play12:54 - Milwaukee Bucks GM says trading Chris Middleton was hard, but it's good for the future19:16 - Lakers lose big to Jazz29:30 - Brandon Ingram declined 40 Mil from Pelicans, went to Raptors43:43 - Fultz in back in the NBA(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Is that the right way to handle this? Oh, man. No. I think, no. Wait, is it the right way to handle it for who? The fan? Or them booting him out? Is that the right way for the Mavericks to handle it?

Oh, absolutely not. Listen, fans come to a game they should be able to express themselves based on decisions that have been made. You know? He didn't curse.

He didn't yell profanity. He didn't yell obscenities. It wasn't Right, right, right. It wasn't like you know what I'm saying, it wasn't anything like

no racial. Right. All he said was, right. Yeah. That shouldn't get you kicked out of the arena, Ochoa. I'm sorry. It shouldn't get you kicked out, but you're there to enjoy a game. You're there to enjoy a game.

You're there to have fun. I keep saying college. Nico Harrison. I'm sorry, Chad. Nico Harrison. Yeah. Listen, there's a no-tolerance policy. I think fans need to understand and respect not only the players, but other authority as well.

You know, go there. If you're not pleased with them, we understand your displeasure with certain individuals based on decisions that they made. There's certain things you can't do. It's like, you know, when you get pulled over by the cop. And just because you know the law, you want to challenge authority. Or you want to curse. Or you want to pull, you know, you know your top.

But yeah. Listen, you upset. Yeah, you upset with what happened. And, you know, Luca, Luca leaving. Go to the game. Enjoy it. You see him? Give him a little quick boo, you're upset with what happened and, you know, Luka Luka leaving. Go to the game. Enjoy it. You see him, give him a little quick boo, you know. Boo!

Go on about your business. Enjoy the game. But I think when you handle it this way, now you invite more people to be this way. Oh, yeah. All I said was Michael Harrison. I don't think that's an offense that should get me thrown out of a game. If I'm yelling at the entities, if I'm yelling at racial stuff, if it is profane, I get it. But that's all he said was fire Nico Harrison.

That's not an ejectional offense. Now, have they taken it? They've had to add extra security to this man to and from, watching his home because of the threats. That's too far. That's taking it too far. I get it. You're upset. But to put threats

on the man's life and his family's life, that's going too far. I get the precaution that the Mavericks are taking, but I can't get down with that because all he said was fire Nico Harrison and the man is talked from the arena. I don't know. Listen, you know what?

A crack in your window, it always starts small. Yeah. If you don't fix it, if you don't set a precedent early, that crack, it gets bigger and bigger over time. So now you talk about he just said fire Niko and that's all he said. You know, that small crack will continue to get bigger and bigger because other people are going to see that. So what they're doing is they're jumping the gun. You know, we need to get on top of this now before this small crack eventually turns a little bit bigger and it gets out of control.

Well, hey, once you go there, look, we ask everybody to be respectful, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And once he yelled at the first,

you know, mouthed at the first time, just fanned off it. You remember how they used to show it every time when streakers would run on the field or women would lift

their shirt off and they would just stay on it. Now they just, hey, they just cut away. We're not going to give you no TV time. We're not going to give you no TV time. We're not going to let you have your little five seconds,

your 15 seconds of pain. We're just going to move on. I think for me, I think that would have been the proper way to handle it. But, hey, the Mavericks did what they did. I don't agree with it. As a matter of fact, they just ejected T. Morant, Jaws dad out of the game because he said something to an official. I guess I could be wrong, but I think I'm paraphrasing.

I think he said y'all on the take or something like that. You have to be careful when you say stuff like that to an official. That's a very, very touchy subject, especially with gambling involved. But this is not even close for me. Chad, let me know what you guys think of an objectionable offense. Kevin Durant is still with the Phoenix Suns and ready to get back on the court. After last week's event for trade deadline full of speculation, it's just part of the business.

Everybody's bought and sold in this league. Anybody can up for armchair. So I understand it's just about getting back on the court and trying to go out there and play the game that I love. It's part of the business, though. We've all got to understand that. The Suns ended up having a relatively quiet trade deadline, dealing only disgruntled center Yusef Nurkic to the Hornets, but keeping the rest of the court intact. The team's big three, Durant, Book, and Bradley Bill, is still together,

and the franchise tries to gain traction in the standing. Ocho, you agree, disagree, like what KD said? I like what KD said. Obviously, he feels that everyone is expendable at this point, and I don't think KD would have said anything like that if he hadn't seen the deal that happened with Luka. I don't think KD would have said anything like that if he hadn't seen the deal that happened with, with, with Luka.

I don't think, because he wouldn't have uttered those type of words, but now seeing that they were able to get rid of Luka despite how good he was, I think that's why he said what he said.

Anytime, anytime KD was on the move, it's because he wanted it. It's because he wanted it. You know, he said, you know, he was displeased with the issue or with the,

with the, with the turmoil and chaos that was going on around him. You know what? I want to make a move. I'm going to move. Was it, whether it was the warriors, whether it was,

um, God damn it. Okay. Brooklyn fridge. It was a pro. Okay. So he's like, I don't,

I want to move on. Well, within his right, well, within his right, the warriors you mentioned, he was there. He wasn his right. The Warriors, you mentioned. He was there. He wasn't happy.

A part of that, for me, a part of it, the Warriors was new addition. Johnny, Bobby, Ricky, and Mike, they were the original. Johnny Gill, could I say them all? Yeah. Because he didn't grow up in Roxbury, Boston. Right. So he was never going to in Roxbury, Boston. Right. So he was never going to be accepted

like those. Like Trey, Clay, and Steph. Excuse me. Steph, Clay, and Draymond. Right.

Right. We know what KD is. A seven-foot walking bucket. Yes, sir. Big range. Can get to the shoot the three.

You follow him, 90% of his shot, can play with his back to the basket, can put the ball in the pool we've never seen a guy seven foot tall handle the ball and be able to do what he does but he's like you know what I'm gone

he goes to Brooklyn and sees like man, I'm gone so once you leave it's easier for you to do it again. It's just like Ocho. It's just like somebody getting divorced. A lot of times when people get divorced, you see a person with multiple divorces. Because once you leave the relationship, it gets a lot easier to leave the next relationship.

You know, and that's another thing. Now I'm going to take it to sports. Once you see someone get knocked out the first time, you know how much easier it is when they get knocked out again after that third play? So subconsciously, it's already there. Absolutely. It can happen a lot faster. So KD just wants to play basketball. That's what he is.

He's a professional basketball player. He works on his craft extremely hard. You don't get this. You don't play as long as he's played, be as good as he is without working on his craft, all that other stuff. He let Rich Kleiman do what he does, had his business stuff. KD just wants to focus on basketball on the court. And so he understands the business of the game just like he was a business.

He was a free agent. He went to Golden State. He became a free agent again. He went to Brooklyn. He's like, you know what? The situation is getting out of business. He was a free agent. He went to Golden State. He became a free agent again. He went to Brooklyn. He's like, you know what? The situation is getting out of hand. I don't think we can win here. I want to go somewhere else. But he handled it in such a way he didn't make a whole lot of noise.

He didn't call, you know, Miss Pragnitz or be laid or stomped by the shoot-around. His representative's like, look, I would like to be moved. Get what you can for me they did him a solid he wanted to go to Phoenix they put him in Phoenix but see that's because

of the person the man the player that he is he's been very respectful how he handled it they accommodated him a lot of times like where you want to go okay I'm going to send you to the opposite place you want to go to heaven? Hell it is.

Yeah. Bucks general manager John Horst said trading franchise cornerstone Chris Middleton after 12 seasons in Milwaukee was the hardest transaction he's made. Oh, don't start that. But did so to maximize the window for a championship. It's still the awesome responsibility to try to take this franchise and maximizing the window that we have now as best we can. What we think gives us the best chance to win and figure out how to continue winning going forward. There's a very narrow set of opportunities that we felt that we could do that. and this is one of them.

Milwaukee traded Middleton and rookie guard A.J. Johnson and a pick swap to Washington in exchange for Kyle Kuzma, Patrick Baldwin Jr., and a second-round pick before last week's trade deadline. The Bucs also acquired center Jericho Sims for the New York Knicks as part of the deal. Ocho, the executive said it was the hardest decision, one of the hardest decisions he's had to make. I heard that before too, huh? Didn't we hear that from someone who sits in one of the higher seats

for the Giants? Mm-hmm, Joe Schoen. They can say Corrin Gold was one of the hardest things for him to do, but they still did it? Yeah. I'm not sure. In that case, it was for the betterment of the team. Do you think this situation and letting Chris Middleton go

was for the betterment of the team in the future and giving them their best chance at a trophy or competing for one? I think the injury that Middleton has had, the injury, they didn't think that. It comes down to Ocho, do I believe that I can count on you long term moving forward ain't so I'll make the decision

when somebody tells you that you know your parents this is going to hurt me, I'm going to tear your ass up but it's going to hurt me more than it hurts you it's going to hurt me more than it hurts you I don't want you to be hurt and I damn sure don't want me to be hurt what kind of bull jive is that? Hey, boy, my grandma used to catch me with that, boy, in junior high.

You know, in my early days. In high school. And getting in trouble. Well, it's going to hurt me more than it hurts you. Well, I don't want you to hurt me. Then why are you doing this? Yeah, don't hurt. I don't want you to hurt.

I definitely don't want to hurt. That's some bull. Man, y'all think me with that fooling this. And that's what these execs, you know, this hurts me. Man, stop. Now, you know, honestly, if it was a situation where, and that's what, if you go back and look at it, that's what made Coach Belichick so good.

And that's what really hurt him go back and look at it, that's what made Coach Belichick so good. And that's what really irked him. That's what irked Tom. Because Coach Belichick realized, I'm going to have to make a very tough decision one day. The closer I get to a player, the harder it is for me to do my job. This is why in the military, I don't know if they still have it,

but higher ups messing with lower subordinates because they cloud the judgment. Because now I don't want to put you in harm's way because I feel some type of way about you. Yes, sir. That's why they don't like if you're a higher-up, you can't

mess with a subordinate because you're in a position of authority and you are over that person. When you got to send somebody out to go do battle you got to send them out to battle whether that's your little boo thing or that's your woo now you going to stay right here you stay here with me

let me get a little desk job I don't want you to go out there and get hurt you stay right over here with me that ain't how it work and so when you dealing with and so that's why you have to keep emotion out of it. That's why

you can't get too close because the closer you are to an individual, the harder it is for you to part with said individual. And so, you know, maybe it is. I mean, hey, I don't know. I've never been in a situation

where I had to make a very, very tough decision where you've been with someone for an extended period of time and you've won together, you've accomplished so much together. Right. Excuse me. And it comes to a point in time where you have to let said individual go. I'm sure that's not an easy thing to do. But like you said,

at the end of the day, Ocho, no matter what I think of an individual, I still have an obligation to the owner that pays my salary to the families to put the best product on the floor in order to win a championship.

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Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly

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7-foot-tall, 250 pounds of sorriness. Oh, my bad. That wasn't what was in there. That just came to me. The Lakers need to cut size and physicality, which he did not provide. After the Knicks trade with Mark Williams and the Charlotte Hornets,

they waived Christian Woods to create an open roster spot. He missed a season after recovering from offseason surgery. But tonight was a tough first start for Alex Land, who did not do a whole lot, got some good cardio in. Other than that, 22 minutes, two of five, two offensive rebounds. So he had seven rebounds, two assists two assists one block and three personal fouls not much not much not much it probably just met the team yesterday the lakers had no interior presence with him on the court loud the utah jazz did shoot 52 from the floor uh laurie market it was 11 of 18 6 of 10 from the 3 4 4 from the free throw line. 32 points plus 35.

Walker Kessler plus 23. He had 16 points. Jordan Clarkson had 23 points. He was plus 33. Tonight just wasn't it, Ocho. And we knew this was going to be a problem because of the ability to defend. And right now, they don't really have guys. You look at the guys, they don't have defensive guys.

I don't know why they only have, unless Jackson Hayes got hurt, I don't know why he only played seven minutes. But he left the ball game and didn't come back in. He was two or two from the field, seven points. No, excuse me, seven minutes with four points. But they can't

defend Ocho. Austin Reeves struggled shooting three tonight, so did Luka. But Luka's going tocho. Austin Reeves struggled shooting three tonight. So did Luka. But Luka's going to take a while. He's been out almost eight, seven weeks. December. Yeah, since Christmas.

So it's going to take him a while to get his rhythm back. But they didn't defend. And when you don't defend and you don't shoot the ball well, you end up going down by 24, 26 points. You end up losing by 12.

But the game really wasn't close. Don't let the final score fool you. The game was wasn't close. Don't let the final score fool you. The game was not this class. Yeah. All right. But, but listen,

the Lakers, as opposed to the last game, as opposed to the last game, the Lakers came out flat. They came out flat. They played very uninspired. Obviously Jackson Hayes only getting seven minutes, having what?

Maybe four, four points. What was it? Four, six, four points. Seven minutes. Ever since he,

ever since he was out of the game, I think he's the only defending presence that could really be inside the paint and be able to defend to some extent. After that, it was just a goddamn layup line, basically, for the Utah Jets. Layup and dump. How many lobs did you see? I mean, they're throwing lobs from out of bounds. It was lob city. It was lob city. Now, It was law of the city.

Now, also, one of the things you have to notice about this game, too, when the Jazz played the Lakers the first time, they turned the ball over, I think, maybe 18, 19-plus times. This game, they were able to protect the ball a little bit more. They didn't have as many turnovers. And obviously, with the Lakers coming out as flat as they did and the Jazz being as efficient as they were from the line, I forgot, I think Coyier had 20.

What was it? Why do you say? Sorry, marketing. Yeah, marketing and young bull. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Young bull. Young bull. Yeah, he's personal.

He can score. He can rebound. He can facilitate. Yeah, I mean, he's been an all-star. He's been an all-star. We know Jordan Clarkson. He heated up with the best of them. John Collins

had a nice game tonight, 17 points, eight rebounds and assists, two blocks. But yeah, you could tell early on, Ocho, the way the Lakers came out. They came out really with no enthusiasm. They didn't defend. They didn't attack the basket. Look at the free

throws. I mean, they crawled free throws. It was just 17 to 30. Yeah. I mean, listen, Luka is going to take Luka a little minute to get going, to get his rhythm back. Also, Reeves, you're going to have games like this. You're going to have games like this. It's hard to be on every single night.

It's hard to be on every single night. And tonight just happened to be one of those. Yeah, he had played well. He had – Reeves had really played well night. And tonight just happened to be one of those. He had played well. He had, Reeves had really played well say the last eight to ten ball games. He had been really well.

Had a career high 45 points. And when Luka and LeBron were both out of the game, played well the other night when Luka first got there. So, yeah,

he had a down night tonight. He didn't shoot the ball. He ended up with 15 or 11 assists. Did a great job of facilitating. Only had one turnover, so you can live with that. But he didn't shoot the ball well. He was 1-10 from the three-point line.

Jackson Hayes left with a facial contusion. So that's probably why you got a land plan probably more minutes than you really wanted him to play. Coloco also got nine minutes. But they just don't have bigs. They don't have bodies to really throw at people. And the guys that they throw out there, that's all they're doing.

They're throwing out there. Jackson Hayes is really a guy you don't – I mean, none of their bigs you run offense for, Ocho. They run lobs. Get it off – hey, you want points? Get it off the rim, offensive rebound, and put it back in. That's how you're going to get your points because we're not running anything for you.

Right. Now, obviously, I think if Jackson Hayes is there, he's some type of defensive presence. Yeah, obviously, with his length, he's tall. And the Lakers just couldn't seem to keep up with the pace that the Jazz had the whole game. Well, they got – you know what? They ended up taking the lead because the Jazz had a little scoring drought,

and that's what happened. You know, it's a game of runs. The Lakers got their run, and then all of a sudden they relaxed, wouldn't play any defense, and layup, layup, dunk, layup, 3-3, 3-3, 3-3. The next thing you know, the game is blown wide open. But they're going to have to do a better job. JJ is going to have to find a combination. Look, he's searching right now.

The three guys that you know are going to start is probably Reed, Luka, and LeBron. We'll see mix and match with Jackson Hayes. Probably Rui is going to be the other guy that starts. But Vanderbilt, ooh, it rough on him tonight. Bronny got in at mop-up time, got him a nine quick points, hit two threes, one or two from

the free throw line. Nice little float up, like, little float, little float. Yeah. He look good. Yeah.

He look very comfortable. Look very comfortable, very poor, very confident, especially in the shot selection. Yeah, but it's hard for me

to believe that Dwight Howard wouldn't be better than Alex Lynn. It's hard for me to believe that. I ain't saying he gonna be,

we don't need Dwight. See, people keep he going to be. We don't need Dwight. See, people keep talking about Dwight. You don't need Dwight Howard to be Orlando Magic Dwight Howard. He can't, nor should you expect that from him. But what they got. So you tell me Dwight can't be better than the Coloco? Really? He can't be better than Alex Lynn?

That's all we're asking, to be better than that. Not be All-NBA. Not be Defensive Player of the Year. Not be that. Just be better than that. Okay, okay, okay. I see what you're saying. Okay, I have a question for you then. So how long, obviously, you have the All-Star break coming up right now.

How long has Lakers figured out? How long has J.J. figured out what pieces he needs to be able to contend? Well, you're not contending. This team, this roster is not built to contend. It all depends on who you get in the first-round matchup. You might can steal. I mean, Luka LeBron might can steal it, but that's as far as you're going.

You're not beating any team to have – you're not going to be okay. See, not with this. You're definitely not – and what you going to do with Yoke? Now, Jamal Murray went crazy tonight. He had 55. Yoke had a quiet night. He said, Jamal, I've been carrying you. I've been doing what I do.

Hey, you go ahead and tell your family. And he dropped 55. And everybody knows Jamal Murray can get hibachi hot. And he got that tonight. But, no, they're not really, you not really doing anything, not with this roster. Now, like I said, LeBron and Luka could probably get hot and can steal you a series, but after that, that's where the book stops. They're not good enough to really do anything.

They don't defend at a high enough level. Now, they can control the clock. They control the pace of the game. Both of these guys with the ball in their hands can control it. But I just don't see enough on the defensive end because at the end of the day, it still comes down to defense, win championships, and they don't have nearly enough. So, we're going to the break on the loss, but they had won six straight,

so they win the last six or seven. And 131 to 119. They have to be pleased. They're 32 and 20. A lot better than what they were last year at the All-Star game. We'll see what they do. Lucas gets some time off. LeBron is the only one going to the All-Star game.

So it'll be interesting to see what the guys do with their time going into the break. But I ain't like what I saw tonight. I ain't going to even lie to you. I ain't going to even hold you on that, Ocho. I didn't like what I saw tonight. Listen, it's so funny how the game of basketball works. Listen, you play two, three nights ago, however many nights it was. You come back, you're playing the exact same team, exact same personnel,

and you come out completely flat. You look completely different. You did. Turnover. They did. When they turned over, and they didn't get back. Nobody got back. They're loafing like, oh, I ain't getting no foul, and they moping.

And, you know, I wish LeBron would stop doing that because sometimes, you know, he turns the ball over, he doesn't get a call that he thought he should have got. Bro, get back. And he lagging back, and then they bust a three. Yeah. Well, you got to understand now, he's a little old in his age now, you know, having to shoot back down that court every time a ball is –

No, I ain't saying – hey, all I'm saying is don't walk. I ain't saying you got to be Speedy Gonzalez, but just don't walk. Just don't walk. Give me a little you gotta be Speedy Gonzalez, but just don't walk. Just don't walk. Give me a little bit more effort because the guys are looking. You can't miss a shot, get mad, then call a foul,

mope down, and then shrug your shoulders like, what happened? A lot of teams are in transition. Yeah, I got you. Brandon Ingram declined $ million dollars with the pelicans only to accept 120 million dollars with the rafters but listen i have a question i don't know in what world chat y'all stay with me real quick now i don't know in what world where it's that bad where you leave $40 million on the table and choose to go somewhere else. You ain't nobody finna sit and tell me, listen, I just left

New Orleans for a week, six, seven days straight. You ain't finna tell me based on what I saw in that wonderful city, culture, the people, the food, the architecture, the history. You ain't playing basketball. That's your, that's your want to be there. You ain't playing basketball that's your you don't want to be you ain't playing basketball what the devil is alive you just saw tyreek you just saw tyreek complain making 32 million in miami with all that water with all that nice weather with all the women down there he complained now you want to try again? Now, wait a minute. Now, listen. Now, that's apples and oranges.

You talk about two different scenarios. You talk about a Tyreek Hill that just came off a season that was nothing like he felt it should have been. You had a quarterback that got hurt. He wasn't getting the ball like he felt he should. He was frustrated. Stay with me. He was frustrated about, for one, not putting up the numbers he should. Two, not getting the ball the way he should. And three, he got in front of that camera before he cooled down. That's calling the rule number one. After the game, you make sure you go take a shower and calm down

before you say anything you shouldn't say before you get in front of that camera. Now, you're not going to tell me that New Orleans is that bad, even if you do play the game of basketball to the point where, you know what? I'm not coming back here. I'm not signing here. I'm going to leave $40 million on the table. I'm going to go somewhere else and play for $100 million. Not going somewhere else. He went to Canada. He went to another country

because he want to win. You say frustration. Who wants to be there? You see Zion. You think Zion want to be there you see zion you you think zion want to be in new orleans it is if i mean i mean hold on did anthony did anthony davis want to be in new orleans so i'm just trying to figure out the players that they've had that wanted to be there you say you can't understand why because i want to win i can't win there

well listen well you know what the onus that's that's on management management needs to um make make it a place some kind of way some shape way film form or fashion where people want to come oh joe he need to do what you need to do oh joe see that's great for you oh joe if you're a tourist i'm trying to win. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I ain't no goddamn tourist. I'm from New Orleans. You a tourist. You go down there for a couple of days.

You get to eat the food. You get to get... But I'm saying these guys got to live it. They want to win. Yeah. That's not... And New Orleans is not conducive for winning. It's okay.

It's not a knock on the city. But who... Let me ask you a question. What big-time free agent signed with New Orleans? I'll wait. You just take your time. We got time. We're just getting started. Tell me the big-time free agent that signed with New Orleans.

I understand what you're saying. But you didn't hear what I said first. The onus is on management, creating an environment where people want to come to. There was a time where people didn't want to come to the Heat. They always wanted to come to the Heat. First of all, first of all, don't think you traded for Jimmy Butler. I mean, you got Jimmy.

And LeBron was LeBron, but LeBron ended up being a trade. He did him a solid. They didn't get KD. Right. They didn't get no big mother free agents. So why you over there huffing the public, talking about coming to Miami? Where, when, who? Let me finish.

Let me finish. There was a time when nobody wanted to come to Cincinnati. You know that? They still don't. They have a problem. You can't even stop playing. How many big time free agents y'all got? All of them want to come.

I said they want to come. The timing hasn't been right for them. Joe, you say they want to come. Who? And I'm not an owl. I don't sit on no tree. I can't turn my head all the way around. But who?

Listen to me. Listen to me. The big free agents that have been available, you listen to me, that's where they wanted to go. They didn't say anything publicly. Why didn't they go? It worked out in their favor.

I just told you it didn't work out in their favor. Money. So, in other words, they want to go to Cincinnati knowing they're not going to get paid, knowing Mike Brown has been cheap, knowing the Bengals have been cheap their entire existence. Really? I'm just telling you.

Now, listen. Who's the owner in New Orleans? Who's the owner? Miss Gail Benson. Mr. Benson. Miss Gail Benson. Miss Gail Benson. The husband died. Miss New Orleans Saints?

Yes. Oh, man, that's the girl. You for real? Man, I got to talk to Miss Benson. I got to talk to Miss Benson because, listen, what I saw in New Orleans, there's no reason why two things can't coexist. The Pelicans having a winning mentality, and it all starts at the top, to go along with the goddamn city that is winning itself. I know where the hell I saw the past week I was out there. I told you, I'm from the Seventh Ward. I'm from Uptown now.

I'm from Uptown. Matter of fact, you want to go with me in March? For what? Uptown Super Sunday. No. Let me ask you a question, don't you? How many big-time free agents sign with Atlanta? You was in Atlanta?

Nice. Oh, hey, that's a place to be, ain't it? How many big-time basketball free agents sign there? How many big- Hey, they don't have a winning environment they have a winning city though the aesthetics are very pleasing outside of the arena

I can tell you that I don't go there often I'm just telling you what somebody told me I ain't telling you what I know I'm telling you what I heard Atlanta's a beautiful place so is Houston what is Houston what do you's Houston. What is Houston? What do you consider Houston? Yeah, I like Houston.

Okay, I know you like Houston. Let's talk about the environment. They're young. They're up and coming. I love what I'm doing with that team. Sunghoon was an all-star. I like Jalen Green. I mean, the guy is 20, what, 22 years of age, balling out.

They got a nice young squad. They got a nice young squad. Probably need one more veteran. You know, Van Fleet, I like Van Fleet. I like Brooks. They get out there. They play hard night in and night out. They had a little rough patch where they lost about five or six games in a row.

But you can deal with that. I think they're going to be just like the Texans. The Texans are going to be a place that you got a quarterback. You got Nico Collins. You got D'Amico Ryan, who has a great defense. You see they got Danell Hunter. They got Will Anderson Jr. They got Stingley Jr.

They got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They got Stingley Jr. They got some nice pieces. They got some nice pieces. They're a few players away. They were able to lure Laramie Tunsil. The problem that they had is that Bill O'Brien ruined it when he traded a damn running back for an all-pro wide receiver. Where the hell they do that at? Right.

I never understood that. And then you had the situation with the sean you had a situation with the sun and we don't need to get into it but we know what happened and that kind of set them back for a year or two but they were able to get cj cj look cj looks to be what he's supposed to be had a little down year this year but i expect him to bounce back and play better next year we'll see what they do uh they lost a lot of their receivers tank dale got injured uh stephon diggs got injured um but i love the addition of joe mixon um they're a couple of pieces away they're gonna be right back they're gonna be right back in the mix but i think that's the thing i think

listen brandon ingram did not make decision, didn't take this decision lightly. It wasn't, oh, man, okay, fine. He had been sitting there for an extended period of time, and he realized it. He said, first of all, the guy that y'all want to build this thing around, he can't stay healthy. Now, for the most part, Brandon Ingram hadn't stayed healthy either. So let's be all the way with that. So he, I mean, I understand he's looking at Zion and Zion can't

stay healthy but Brandon Ingram missed a lot of time also and Pelican fans y'all know that so it was like man let me go ahead and bounce go to a team you know they got Scottie Barnes I like

Scottie they got that I mean look I hate calling a man's name, but, uh, How you leave 40 million on the table? Come on now. What are we doing? Look, Ochi, the biggest mistake that I made a lot of times is that I put myself in that situation. You can't put yourself in that situation. You wouldn't have.

But, oh, money can't buy happiness. The man ain't happy. Listen, money can't buy you happiness, but you know what money can't buy you? It can buy you time. Well, he had all... It can buy you time. He had all the time he would have spent in there.

Boy. Hey, look at what you call it. Look at, what's the guy's name? Look at Melinda Gates. Bill Gates worth 200 billion. 200 billion. She said, I'm gone.

Yeah. Bagels, I'm gone. But you said money can buy happiness. I don't even like the fact that you... I'm just saying. Listen, the fact that we have billionaires in this world, the fact that we have billionaires in this world,

and one of the things with little girls growing up, they're taught you got to find someone that's able to provide and provide you with stability. If Bill Gates and a few other billionaires that I named not too long ago on one of the shows have not been able to keep a woman happy long-term? They just have. At the end of the day, Ochoa.

What chance do us normal folks have? You got to be happy. Ochoa, you make it seem like it's all of the women. Men get divorced too. Men leave relationships. I ain't never seen that. Don't do that. When's the last time you seen a man initiated a divorce? Men leave relationships. I ain't never seen, I ain't, don't do that.

When's the last time you seen a man initiated a divorce? I ain't seen it, I ain't seen it in a very long time. More times than not, it is the woman initiated, but it's the woman that's also getting fed up. Right.

So, it's not something that she, she, women don't haphazardly do things. Women are very methodical. They're very thoughtful. They're not just rushing out. See, a guy, see, a guy, see,

a guy will leave a great woman for a fine thing. That ain't how women think. Women don't think like that. Women are very methodical. Women are very meticulous. When a woman leaves a man and they've been in a relationship for an extended period of time, she's had it up to here. Come on now.

Now, you notice I said here. Because when she had it up to here, she stayed. When she get to here. Right. Also, what you need to understand too, understand too you got to think about this when a woman is fed up before she gets to here and she's right here all all her checks all her checks and ducks got to be in the world all her i's got to be dotted and all her t's got to be crossed before she gets to here so she can exit the plan has to be played out completely she can't leave until she knows exactly what plan is

and then kind of execute herself because you can't leave and then be dead in the war. No. Which is why, when we talk about billionaires and their wives and marriage and divorce,

you notice they always take half with them, right? I mean, a lot of times, they're like, look here, I ain't taking half because neither one of them had prenups. So theoretically, they could have got a big old chunk. They could have got more than what they got.

Now, 40, 50 billion, they ain't nothing to laugh at. Yeah. But I think the thing is a lot of times when women, women already, see, women will already told you what they're unhappy about and, you know, fix it. Right. We ain't listening. And they're like, man, I don't know what happened. Well, she kind of told you know, fix it. We ain't listening. And they're like, man, I don't know what happened.

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That ship is sailed. Is it here? Is it still here? What if here is fixed now? I think that's the barrier he couldn't get past. Hold on. Didn't they take him over Jason Tatum?

They took him over Jason Tatum. He was like that, huh? Never forget, he was like that. Ocho, that shot. They took him over Jason Tatum. He was like that, huh? Never forget, he was like that. Ocho, that shot. They took him over Jason Tatum based on what he showed. Ocho, that shot. You don't normally take a guy with a shot that looked that defected. The mechanics.

Come on, Ocho. Right. You're in. More times than not. Ain't nobody. Listen, no matter how good he is, I don't believe a number one receiver is going to go number one overall as a body catcher. You got to be able to pluck the ball. You got to be able to play in traffic.

You got to be able to transition. So if you got that many flaws. Number one overall. I mean, listen, listen. Shots can be fixed. Lethal shooter is right there down the street. He's not too far. You get with him in the offseason. If it's that big of a problem.

Hell, Sean Marion. Remember his shot? He went first overall, though. See, that's the thing, though. If you take a guy like 15, 16, think about it. You take a guy number one overall he's supposed to be franchise changing he's supposed to be lebron shat that's what he a team uh with a will uh kareem magic johnson that's what they're supposed to be a dwight howard franchise altering he wasn't that

ai i have i have a question. Based on just the bolts coming out of college, you didn't think once he got where he was going, he was going to be franchise changing based on the film that he put up? Well, I looked at him. I mean, he was like a hit or miss. But I was just always leery of that shot. Right.

It just concerned me. It did. You think somebody would have took Sean Merriman number one overall? No, you don't. He would have had to be hold on, hold on.

He would have had to be extremely dominant in other He was an outstanding defender. Yeah. He turned himself into with that shot he turned himself into

a decent shooter could make threes but he could could defend, he could rebound. It's just hard. No, too much time is passed for him to live up to where he was selected, the slot that he was selected as. No, he's not living up to that. Now, hopefully he can have a serviceable career moving forward. He was out of the league. but so he was out of the league

yeah he's out of league for first half of the season what what what guy you know that's out of the league for first half of the season all of a sudden comes back and and and you're like well you know what hey we sure made a mistake on him right it doesn't happen like that i mean it's right um well listen hoping he comes back and makes a difference he feels in that role in sack that darian darian the erin the erin fox leaves and he can come in and be efficient and be somewhat if not what we thought he would be be some close right but here's the thing. You can have a quirky shot a la Ben Simmons.

But normally you need to be 6'10". Ben Simmons was an all-NBA defender. He was an all-star, 6'10", could handle the ball. But you see, eventually that caught up with him. Yeah. Because he became afraid to shoot the basketball you see I can't teach you how to shoot if you're afraid see I can't teach you how to swim if you're afraid of the water

you can't learn how to swim you heard what you just said Ben Simmons was scared to shoot Marquez became scared to do also what so guess what he was scared to go to the became scared To do also what So guess what He was scared to go to the basket Because he didn't want to get fouled

He didn't want to get fouled This is a contact sport It's a physical game Now I'm going to send you To the football line Oh So we don't want Yeah see

Again Guess where that started Yeah Mentally They already They're already beat mentally So we don't want to see again. Guess what? That's our. Yeah. Mentally, they are. They already they're already beat mentally before they even get to the game. So you can't play the game freely because there are certain parts of your game. You don't want to get it.

Yeah, I just I just you already know before you even play. I just thought Ben Simmons didn't work hard enough on his game. It's hard because I see guys look at Austin Reeves. Austin Reeves has gotten better and better. An undrafted free agent has gotten better and better and better and better. It is hard for a guy to not get incrementally better

if he or she doesn't work on something. You ought to get... I'm not saying you're fit to tell. I'm not fit to say the guy about to be Michael Jordan or Kobe, but you can get better. Go back and look at Ben Simmons. Ben Simmons ain't getting better in nothing offensively.

As a matter of fact, the number went down. Also, the two, comparing the two, Austin Reeves has no choice but to get better. Austin Reeves has no choice but to improve. Austin Reeves is already behind the eight ball in general as a basketball player. Ben Simmons is what, six what? general as a basketball player Ben Simmons what six what Ben Simmons six ten put the ball on the floor shoot he can't shoot that well he can defend

so there's a difference in Austin Reeves having to bust his ass to get to the point where he's at right now see what you said you see what you said so Ben Simmons came in as the number one pick and felt that you know what I ain't gotta bust my ass no exactly which is which goes to my point it's hard not to get incrementally better if you work at something right if i can't if i only take one can a year ocho in 50 years i'm gonna have 50 cans as opposed to not collecting any i go two or three years and don't collect any, guess what I'm going to have? Nothing. Nothing. And that's the thing. It's hard for me.

There is no way 6'10 can handle the ball, can defend. He can defend like four or five positions. He can guard a smaller point guard. He can guard a two, a three, a four. When I look at Ben Simmons, and I know chat don't get on me like this, but I see Ben Simmons, he should have been Jason Tatum before Jason Tatum. He should have been LeBron.

He should have been a bigger LeBron Magic Johnson because that's what he was. He's a point guard. He's a six foot 10 point guard. And he can facilitate like crazy. That's what he should have been. Like crazy. Yeah. And he can defend.

Yeah. I mean, that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy some of the biggest busts of all time in nba history and we use that term when we say bust obviously you get to the nba there's a success but when you are the first overall pick you're supposed to be franchise altering anthony b. Lord have mercy for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Greg Oden. Greg Oden, I think, would have been successful had his knees not gave out on him. Yeah, the injuries. Right, right.

My homeboy from Savannah, Purvis Ellison, his knees gave out on him. Markell Spolt. But he had a knee injury and a shoulder injury. He tried to change his shot, but it just didn't work. But I wish the young man the best of luck. He can't be no more than, what, 26, 27 tops?

Because he's got to be like the same age, oh, 26. So he's still, hey, hopefully a young fella can uh uh get a couple of get a couple years stick get an opportunity get some playing time because i've seen him i've seen him you know have good games just not consistent right i mean i'm seeing i think i saw him one game he had a triple double uh had like 20 something but playing at the pro level being a starter it's all about consistency. That's what it's about. Yeah.

Because any guy on a given any of those 450 players on a given night let me take that back not the top let's just say the top

75 players we know what they can do but the other 250 can give you hell on a given night. The problem is they can't be consistent like the other 250 can give you hell on a given night. The problem is they can't be consistent like the other 75, the top 75 can. That's what separates. It's all about consistency.

The restaurants that do the best business, what are they? They're consistent. The service, the quality of the food. Yeah. The hospitality. Consistency. That's what it's all about. The Volume.

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