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We got some people who didn't. Yeah, what's up? Oh. Look at all that. Look at the beautiful people. We got the world record silver medal winning four by four mixed relay, Vernon Norwood, Bryce Dedman, Kalen Brown, and Samir Little. Hey, guys. How y'all doing?

I'm good. How are you? We're doing amazing. Thank you. Okay, Vernon, I'm going to start with you as the elder station. Uh-huh. Going, qualifying. I mean, you run that blistering time.

I mean, there's only one round time you hear me yeah we hear you bro you got us I'm a little new to this we got you Vern I'm going to start with you you the elder statesman here going into that did you guys think

you could set the world record in qualifying or what was your strategy going in obviously you want to qualify but did you guys think you could set the world record and qualifying or what was your strategy going in obviously you want to qualify but did you think world record was a possibility we already talked about it like before once we saw the lineup and the talent that we had we was like oh yeah we world record gone because we knew world record was gonna win the race anyway so we like we just go out there and do our thing i mean from me from me starting it off, getting it to Shamir, to Bryce, to KK, I mean, I already knew World Records was gone. And then we heard y'all comment about, you know,

y'all coming out with this cash. I said, hey, they coming out there. They coming out there easy. Look, look. As soon as we crossed the line, I said, oh, yeah, I'm going to hit them up right now. Tell that boy, bring my money today. Shamir, you had one of the outstanding games.

You run 40, 49 throughout in both of the mixed relays, and then you come back and you qualify. You run 49, and they thought so much of you. They put you on the team that actually has the American record and was just a couple of tenths off the world record. What did that mean to you? I know you were disappointed that you didn't make it into 400 hurdles,

but you still got an opportunity. You want a silver medal and a gold medal. What was your thought process going to Paris? My thought process was kind of just like, I don't want to give nobody any reason to feel like or say that i didn't deserve to be there like i didn't have the race or the meat that i wanted like from the outside looking in but to me like i put on a good meat it's just the numbers that i put up was really good it's just some people had a better day than me so i just kind of you know shook that off and

moved forward and i felt like going into paris it just kind of, you know, shook that off and move forward. And I felt like going into Paris, it was just like, Oh, you know, we got to dance the team. And I'm just thinking in the back of my head. No,

I'm advancing myself. Like I need to make it to every single round and I'm going to run my butt off. So it was just like every round I was going into it. I was just like, ain't no, ain't no such thing. Ain't no holding back. Like I have to qualify and I have to make it as far as I can.

Was it a situation you were thinking that I don't want to give them any reason to put someone else on this relay team and miss this opportunity? Because I think at the end of the day, everybody wants to run the final. We know that we have a couple of times. Sometimes we have a couple of times, sometimes we have a couple of people that run qualifying rounds and they're going to get gold medals. But when that American record,

when they look at that, that's going to say Sydney McLaughlin, that's going to say Shamira Little, that's going to say X, Y, you know, Holmes. That's what it's going to say. Yeah. Dang, I'm just like, it's so much depth in the 400 hurdle. I mean like it's so much

depth in the 400 hurdle I mean it's so much depth in the 400 so you know anything is liable to happen and I felt like you know even if I did run 49 low just how it was going to play out I may or may not be on the relay so I kind of was just like

of course it was like that thought process of thinking like what if they put somebody else and then it was Shu like what if they don't like it's gonna be me yeah yeah that was Bryce Bryce Shamir has the baton to you and you

take off you like man we got this in the I mean we got this in the bag or you like hell nah we going for this I mean, we got this in the bag. Are you like, hell no, we going for this? I mean, shoot, whenever I get the time, I'm just all gas. I mean, they told us before we went into the race, it was going to take a world record to win it.

I mean, shoot, and I just took off and did what I needed to do or do what I had to do. Once I get the stake in my hand, I don't be thinking world record or how fast I'm running. I'm just going. I kind of just like let my instincts take over and get the baton to the next person, which was Kaitlyn, and she did her thing too.

Go, Joe. Listen, not only did we get the world record, right? So I just have a question. I mean, when it comes to the four by four, we often see fierce competition in any sport there that there is i mean are there any team that you guys are rivals with and was there any any banter or trash talk before the race that actually prepare you guys to actually go and get this

world record or was it just is it always quiet on your end when it comes to the four by four for me no but I don't know. Kind of for everybody. I'm not sure if you guys have that kind of banter with other teams and if there is a rival at all. No. Right. Okay.

The world record, but it was going into the prelims it wasn't something that we was thinking about it was just our chemistry was good and we was just focused on just executing so that the baton never slowed down and so when uh kk came through and i'm looking at the time last 15 meters uh burning like that's a world record and i'm looking i'm like oh goodness and then she crossed oh yeah now Vernon was thinking about oh man oh he got that world record I want all of it matter of fact you know what I I'm curious is trash talk and track is that frowned upon I mean you gotta save your energy I feel like it used to be a thing. I hear stories like back in the day, like people used to

talk like the jumpers or whatever. I think now, it's just more kind of like let the, uh, let what you're doing on the track speak for itself. Like, I don't have all the energy to be going back and forth with somebody. Like...

In high school, y'all know y'all talk Shamir in high school I know we talk oh y'all have to win this one ain't nobody winning this not with Sharp in here y'all ain't winning some people definitely be talking for sure some people for sure

be talking especially before the races or leading up to the races I mean but everyone is different. Some people talk, some people don't. Some people be in their own zone. Some people love talking, going into a race in a little heat up area. It really just all depends. Yeah.

Caitlin, let me ask you a question. In the last, you didn't obviously, you won, you got the world record. You didn't win, you didn't win the gold medal. Is there anything you could have done differently to help this outcome not be what it was what what do you wish you could have done nothing i went out there and i ran my best and even in the finals i ran faster than the prelims so i feel like every time i step out on the track i just give it my all and i feel like it played out perfectly whether we we won silver or gold, we just, we did it. We did the thing.

You know, a lot of times, a lot of times, guys, we see like Shamir, like let's just say you run against, obviously you're not in a fast heat in the hurdles. You're going to run just fast enough to qualify, you know, to win the race and save some of that energy. I know Vernon, you and Bryce, y'all do that a lot in the 400 meters. You're not trying to go out there and run 43 every race,

you know, qualify in semifinals and then drop another 43 in the finals. So you're trying to conserve some of the energy. Was that ever thought process like, man, we got a 30-minute lead. Let's back this down some and save for tomorrow. No.

Honestly, I think we just went off the vibe. The energy in that stadium was electrifying. So we were just running at that point. Honestly, we weren't really thinking about the world record in that moment. We knew eventually it's going to happen because that's where it's going to take the win. But throughout the race,

we were just running. And I'm looking at KK running. I'm like, oh, man, we might break the world record right now because I got the stick. I'm watching the whole race. I'm like, damn, we're actually sliding right now. I'm looking at the clock. I'm looking at the time. I'm like, damn, we might hit a world record. Then I tell you,

world record gone. In the process, we're just running. You don't really feel like you're gassing it that much. And then afterwards, you know, you got to do it again the next day, but that's what we trained for though.

So guys, did y'all know Bryce that when he got back to his room, he DM me about running me my money. Yes. That man, that man DM me. Right. Right. I don't know Bryce

No You I said tell him I heard y'all was talking about it one time On the show I was like man hold up Let me see them boys come through I'm like them boys from around the way.

So I know they're going to come through. And then y'all actually came. I was like, Danny, y'all some real ones, man. I appreciate y'all. And then there's a mutual friend. He hit up a mutual friend

and said, man, I'm trying to get an uncle. I don't know if he's going to see my DM. Hey, it's all love. Hey, y'all good in my hood. Y'all come down to Baton Rouge. I got y'all.

Nah, man. Nah, guys, let me just tell you you got some love. it's all love y'all good in my hood y'all come down to Fair Rouge I got y'all nah man nah guys we just want to show you guys some love the crew at Nightcap here myself and Ocho and all of our subscribers and listeners

and followers man we wanted to show you guys that we really appreciate what you do the hard work the sacrifices the time away

from your family the times that you don't feel like training that you go out there and you push yourself farther than you ever thought you could and so for us at nightcap it was a neat it was easy because to run a world record that means everybody contributed everybody did their part and we wanted here at nightcap wanted to say thank you yeah not only not only for your effort but for what you've given before that race, because the race is the easy part. The

hard part is the training up to the race. And so from us, from the bottom of our heart here at Nightcap, thank each and every one of you. Every last one of you. Make sure y'all get some McDonald's with that money now. Man, Bernie, hit me up, Vernon Money

nah, I ain't rocking like that, man I'm chilling, I'm chilling so is anybody's season continue? Shamir Bryce, Kaitlyn, Vern is anybody going to the, I think there are a couple of Diamond League meets left, is anybody's season going to continue or are you going to shut it down and start gearing up Vern, is anybody going to the – I think there are a couple of Diamond League meets left. Is anybody's season going to continue,

or are you going to shut it down and start gearing up for – is anybody going to do indoor, or everybody's just waiting to do the Worlds next year in September? I actually leave tomorrow. So I'm, like, in between packing and getting ready, and I'm going to be over there for, like, a month. I got a – I'm finishing off in the fourth. So I'm going back to the 400 hurdles,

and I'm going to do a couple of Diamond League meets leading up and do the final so we're almost there it's the third half of the season I'm hitting the road Monday, we're going to Lausanne so I'm going to finish out the season with the Diamond League meets

because I just like competing and I'm a little bit behind on my racing so I'm still trying to chase some things I need to accomplish for this year so you definitely go see me on the road I'm trying to go race too come on now I'm not in no diamond

leaves right now I leave for a meet in Berlin and another meet in Switzerland next week so I'll be doing that and same as Vernon, I'm trying to chase something before this season ends and wrap some stuff up for the upcoming season.

We got to like it. Kay, I think you're still in school, right? I have a whole collegiate season again. So I got to sit down and relax. Shabir, I'm going to get you out of here on this. You said, watching you at the U.S. trial, and you run the four and the hurdles. And I thought, I was like, damn, she ran good, so she's ready.

Why did you continue to run the 400, knowing that you had the 400 hurdles, and it was going to probably be difficult given the field, why not just run one race and shut it down, knowing that, like, I'm fit, I'm ready, I'm good? I mean, I came in there and I was like, you know, I just want to run one race. And then I ran so well, just considering kind of how my season

was going leading up to that. And I just had a on with my coach. I'm excited. He came to me. He's like, we can go all the way. I was like, yeah, we can go all the way. He believes I'm one of the best 400 runners in the world. I believe I'm one of the best 400 runners in the world.

You are. I am. Shoot. Why not? We just went for it I am. Shoot. So is this one. Why not? And we just went for it. Wow. Yeah. Again, Vern, you're going to stay

with us. Shamira, Bryce, Kay, thank you so much. We're proud of you here at Nightcap. Continued success in your season. You got another month, Shamira, Bryce. You got a couple of me. Kay, go join. Hey, take some time off because the collegiate season is long and then you got the trials

and then you got the world. So you need to rest, niece. So take some time off. Enjoy that. Hey, I know you haven't spent your money like Vern has because I know Vern pocket. Man, that money put a hole in Vern's pocket. Hey, look. Damn.

So, guys, congratulations. We're proud of you here as i said guys continue success we'll see you down the road again next year maybe we know i'm gonna go out and solicit some sponsors to help me put this bill next time y'all for sure you know what we'll i'll tell you what we'll do. We'll come to the trials. Yeah. We'll come to the trials. Wait, what is that? What is that? It's going to be a Eugene. Oh, Spirit.

Spirit, go out there. I don't know about Spirit. Southwest is going to be tough. Southwest is going to be tough. Okay. The technology man is going to be stuffed up. The Texas, oh, okay. When is the Texas Relays?

Texas Relays is in like March. We got a long way to go. Come down to the Baton Rouge, though. I can't promise you about the Texas Relays. I can't promise you that one. And what's the one that they run at the beginning of the year? And the Penn Relays. I can't promise you about the Texas relays. I can't promise you that one. And what's the one that they run at the beginning of the year? And the Penn relays. I can't promise. I like that. I want to go

to the Penn. I can't promise you that, but I promise you we'll be at the USA. We'll see y'all. We'll do that. And you all know me and Ocho, we might have cash out there this time. Yeah. For that cash.

Right, right, right. Y'all doing it. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all doing it. I'm good. Y'all boys doing it, man. All right, guys. Congratulations. Bird, you're going to stay

with us a little while longer. I'm chilling. Bryce, Shamira, Kay, thank you so much. Continue success and we'll see you guys down the road. Thank you.

Bye, y'all. Good one. All right. Goodbye. success, and we'll see you guys on the road. Bye, y'all. All right. Bye. Burn. Okay. You're gonna run. You ran the second leg. I used the bathroom, Mom.

Go ahead. I got it. Burn, you're gonna run second leg, okay? Bailey leaves this thing off. Now, you're going to run second leg, okay? You get – Bailey leaves this thing off. Now, you know Botswana, and you know who they got on anchor. So I don't even – and you know the Botswanans, they normally bring – I think they had a 400-meter run on McCallum. Yeah, McCallum, the OG. Yeah, yeah.

So I'm very familiar with Botswana. The Bahamian team with Chris Brown, they normally bring a contingent. So there are certain teams that when they're in the race, you know you better be on your best behavior. So Bailey comes out in 44 and 44.5. You get the baton. Tell me what's going through your mind because he's a little behind the Botswanana kid.

Well, leading up to that race, you know, me and Rob was talking about it, about like, you know, we knew Botswana was going to give us a good chase because we was in the back. I don't know if you know this. Tobago was second lane. They kept switching. So in my head, I'm like, okay, I got to run today because I got Tobago and I got the silver medalist, Matt Huston-Smith. Shout out to him. So I'm like, like, okay, I got to run the day. Because I got Tobago and I got the silver medalist, Matt Huston-Smith.

Shout out to him. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I got to run the day. And I'm just telling Chris, just give me everything you got. I'm going to do my job. I'm going to do my part. And I already had it on my mind from the day before when we qualified. They thought things were just sweet because he's like, oh, we barely got through. I'm like, tomorrow will be a different day.

Right. I know Chris get the stick. I'm on second leg. Second leg, normally not my leg. I'm usually like a first or third guy, preferably. But I can run any leg. Man, I get the stick, man. I know Matt going to do his thing.

I say, all right, I'm going to just run my race. And we know that coming off by about 250, get to about 120, I start kicking. And that's when I'm like, I give out the stick to Bryce. Bryce do his thing. I say, oh, yeah, now we got a race. I say, oh yeah, now we got a race. Now we got a race. And I think that's probably one of the most electrifying races I've been a part of that 4x4. It was. Because

you know, I go back a little farther to you. I got kids your age, Vern, so I go back a little. There haven't been very many 400 meter millions that's come down. I think in 2016, maybe 16, I think Chris Brown ran

Angelo Taylor down and we ended up getting a silver medal in that. But for the most part, if we don't drop the bestick, ain't nobody beating our 5-4 men because we dominate the 400 although we haven't won the open 400 in a very long time. You got to go back to 08, Quincy Hall won

in 2024, but you got to go all the way back to 08. And so now, when Bryce takes off and he gives that stick to Ry, we had Ry on, and just Ry and it's Tobogo. Hey. What's going through your mind?

Like, respectfully, I'm like, Tobogo will die. He going against Captain America. I said, Tobogo will die he going against captain america i said tobogo go die like i had some feeling that he was gonna die off at some point because it might look like they was gliding but they really was going stride for stride and so tobogo got 19 speed rock and run 19 if he wanted to as well so i'm thinking about when tobogo gets to about 320 he gonna start dying now but I'm still seeing Tobogo still stuck on him so if you see watching my hands my fist balled up tight standing like come on

come on I'm like I'm tight as hell I'm like come on come on and I saw him get to about 20 meters I said oh no no no no he crossed the line I said oh thank god I was like hell yeah I just ran to him I don't know what I did, but I just did something. I just threw my hand. I just

glided towards him, but he held it down for us, man. Shout out to Rye, because that was a big task for him to do, because he came from winning his Olympic event and coming in and holding it down for us, because we was a bit shorthanded, you know, Quincy Hall. Yeah, because Quincy was dealing with a little spasm

in his hamstring. But for Rye, and Rye has never run that fast in his life, but he had to. I thought when Rye got the stick and Tobogo, I thought he was going to put him under pressure right away. I thought he was going to try to shoot past him. But Rye said because he got out the first hundred, Tobogo tried to just pace him. You look at it, they was going stride for stride and I think

Rod's IQ was so on point that day because he knew he respect Tobogo's talent and Tobogo respect his talent as well Tobogo would have been the madman he could just shoot off like that if there was somebody else, Tobogo probably would have went for it if I felt like there was somebody else

they just got to sink or swim but throughout that race, man, I'm watching it else toboggan probably went for it yeah in fact i like though somebody else he probably just they they just got a sink or swim but throughout that race man i'm watching it man i'm telling you i was tight on that side i'm like come on come on because you know boswana they dangerous we knew coming in it was going to be boswana and uh great britain giving us a good chase because they looked at us like a little shorthanded because a few of our top guys went down but that just to show you how much depth that we have in that event in the 400. Because you look at it like last year, me and Bryce Deadman was doing the opening

at World Budapest. And this, we doing the relays. So each year, you can see. That's how much depth we got. That's how much depth we got. And we still got guys in the cut that's coming out, that's going to be back next year

at full health. You know, Michael Cherry, Will London, all those type of guys coming back at full health. So we got so much depth going into next year and we almost broke the world record in that event. Yeah. That's what's so amazing.

But we was talking about last year, that world record gone. That world record gone. That's what I said the first time I was last year at Worlds in Booty Piss. And I'm like, but the thing is, we got to put the right legs together. Because like I said, but the thing is, we got to put the right legs together. Because like I said,

I probably could do first or third. I could give you 43 out the hole. I could give you 43 on third. Second leg, just that leg, just

at that moment, we needed a second leg. Rocker ran second, but he needed, he needed to be on anchor. I told him, he needed to be on anchor. He got anchors.

Like, nobody could do the job but you today like you know what I'm saying and he understood the assignment grade A

Bernie do you know this that this is the first time somebody other than Americans has run sub 256 I'm about to slide

shout out to shout out to Boswana I'm about to slide and Great Britain Great Britain ran 255 because prior to prior to that, no other team other than American had gone sub-256. I'm talking about the 256 that they ran in Mexico City in 1968.

So you got two teams other than American go sub-256. And I think next year might be a little bit faster because you're going to get other teams back at their full strength. Like, we might get Jamaica back in the mix. They can't see y'all. I know they probably won't, but I'm just saying

you're going to get more comp back in the mix where it can boost the level of competition. But Botswana is going to be definitely the team we have to watch out for because them boys

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But here's the thing. Would you ride, let's see, with all our guys, if y'all run y'all best, y'all might can go to sub 254. If you go sub 254, just like that 1993, what Michael Johnson and Butch Reynolds and Quincy Watts and Andrew Bauman, what they ran in 93 is Stugart.

This thing might stand for 30 years. I think everybody had full help. And Mike Marsh and Michelle Freeman put together the right pieces in the right order, that record's gone. It was gone with what we had. And I think that was a great team that Mike Marsh and Michelle put together. So shout out to them. So they put together

a good team and put us in a position to win. And we walked away with a limited record goal. So we knew it was that state. Even for the women, that women's record's definitely gone next year. Both of the 4x4 world records are gone next year. But here's at stake. Even for the women, that women's record is definitely gone next year. Yeah. Oh. Both of the 4x4 world records gone next year.

But here's the thing. Y'all ran that with push. They had a 30-minute lead. If they'd have had any push, hey, they'd go and sub 315. They might be 314. Oh, yeah. Demolished. Sydney ran 47-71 with no push.

Alexa Holmes, she had a 30-meter lead, and she runs sub-49. And the unique thing about that relay, they only had one 400-meter girl on them. Sydney 400 hurler, Shamir 400 hurler, and Gabby is a sprinter. Yes. So that just shows you how much talent and unique the U.S. is. I mean, we are Chico, man. But it's nice to see that, too, though, the dynamic and the difference of how they can mix up the relays and we can still go out there and dominate like seriously like you know bro you watch this thing from a distance you watch and kendall ellis she won the trials and you know she tweeted that

she was told that she was going to run and then in the warm-up room in about four minutes before the race she's not on the relay team what i mean as a as a as a runner as a competitor can you understand can you empathize with what she's going through man i know she probably feeling you know death type of way how that went down because at the end of the day you know i'm not sure about how much went into that situation and the communication that led up to that but you know me personally if that i mean i would definitely feel some type of way you know because i didn't get the opportunity to at least run on the on the prelim round so for me not to run at all definitely missing out on the medal and all that stuff so i would definitely

feel a bit gutted but also also at the same time, to put it in perspective, like, you know, they want to go out there and put the best people out there in this best situation versus whatever you do. But, I mean, shit. You can't complain with the results.

You got the fastest time by American women in the history. With no thing-mo, with no Abinsteiner, with no Wilson. You know, Apingbo can go sub 49. Abinsteiner can go sub 49. Wilson can go sub 49. Yeah, in that situation, I'm just like, dang. Like, you know, it's just one of those situations where I think it was just some miscommunication

that just wasn't you know transpired in between you know the coach and the athlete i'm not sure too much what went on i'm not too familiar on that situation but for me i would feel very gutted for it just because if that happened that way and i not know and then boom you change it up on me like that instead of just you tell me again oh you might not run you might run with the whoo okay i'm gonna still be a professional and be like i I'm going to prepare myself to run, if I don't run, fine good luck to everybody out there, I'm going to still be

a team player, understand, because I've been on multiple teams and I've been on you know, relays where I just only ran the prelim and not the final, and they put people out there and I'm like, cool I'm still going to get my medal I'm going to get that medal and I'm still a that medal and I'm still

world champ I'm gonna call it a day so that is my mindset of you know being a professional but sometimes everybody want that shine

and then like like to be honest like I've been on what seven eight teams this year and last year was the first two times I ran

on the final for the football wow at the end of the day I never complained just waited my turn did my thing and I didn't tell you that, but at the end of the day, I never complained. Just waited my turn, did my thing, and I showed out.

But you got a bunch of gold medals to show for it. Showed out. And I showed out every time I get on the track. And I tell people like, man, once I get the opportunity, it's over with.

And unfortunately, I didn't get the individual this year. Just wasn't ready on that day, I guess. But I'm still running phenomenal time. I'm still going at it right now. So next year, hopefully, you know, the goal always to get the individual spot, but I'm still running phenomenal time. I'm still going at it right now. So next year,

hopefully, you know, the goal always to get the individual spot, but the relay is fun, man. The relay, you get, get cracking on the relay. I'll be telling people like,

man, kind of downplay the relay. The relay is really good. Like you really have some fun on the relays, man. Hey, we, you know,

when, when it comes to the relays, right. And we think about the pressures, obviously you guys in Paris, who's the person, who's the personality that keeps everybody calm. It has to be somebody,

you know, every, every NFL team has a guy that, that is game day, but he keeps everybody loose. You know, he keeps people laughing where it's not so tense. Who,

who's the personality on, on, on the relay team or just the track team in general that keeps things kind of even keel? Probably me because like, I'm never serious.

Like, I'm never mad. I'm probably one of the most, like, I talk to everybody. Like, I just, just like, just to keep my nerves, keep everything. Right.

So, I just be talking on a little smack to like, even like, when I was telling Matt, I said, you're on second leg,

I'm doing this to him. Like, telling him to put his seatbelt on. Like, we doing all this stuff was telling Matt, I said, you're on second leg, I'm doing this to him. Like, tell him to put his seatbelt on. Like, we doing all this stuff towards each other. Right, right,

right. You know, and, you know, me and Rye and all those other guys, we've been around each other all, you know,

we was roommates, so we just in the room vibing, chilling. We just like, man, this is the fun part. We about to go out there

and have fun. There's no pressure besides the fact that we got to come where we go. We understand that pressure being from USA, automatic, go with the bus.

And so there's us going out there, just on some chill stuff. You know, I'm keeping everybody laughing. We made a bunch of videos, a bunch of fun stuff. I'm talking about like hanging out on the balcony. Like, you know, we doing our thing, man. So I did my best job trying to just make sure everybody's just having a good time

and making the most memories at the Olympics games and shit. So we had a good time, man. So, you know, you got some crazy stories, man. We had a crazy time out there, dog. Vern, you know you had uncharted territories. Nobody has been able to run. Michael Johnson won the Olympic gold in Sydney at 33. And I think he won the world championship the following year at 33 and a half,

maybe 34. You're 32 years of age. And probably by the time the world roll around next year, you go be 33. You know, you, you, you had you,

you, you, an uncharted territory, man. I gotta give a lot of credit to my coach, Dennis Shaver. Like he developed me right into the athlete that I am. Every year, these last couple of years, I've been improving so much.

And I don't know exactly how. I do know how, but me just progressing and developing to the 400-meter I am, each year I'm getting faster and faster and faster. So everybody looking at me like one of my boys' chair, he was like, damn, you giving me hope. I'm 32, about to be 33 next year, and I'm still out here running elite time. So, you know, who knows what'll happen next year.

I'm taking each year, year to year, you know. And hopefully we make it to 28. If we don't, hey, I have a hell of a run. I have a hell of a run. He was your coach at LSU, correct? He's still my coach. Yes, sir. He's still with me.

So we still, you know, we still learning as we go. We're still developing. And, you know, he did a great job with me. And we're still working towards everything we're doing. And, you know, I've just been consistent with staying in my realm and doing what I do every single day being consistent that's kind of carried me to how I am at this age now because a lot of guys look at me like some people some people didn't know I was 32 and took trials when I'm racing against little Quincy

somebody was like I'm looking on TikTok somebody said damn he raced a dinosaur I said oh man they called me a dinosaur compared to said, oh, man. I almost threw my phone out the house. I said, oh, they call me like that. They call me a dinosaur compared to Lil Quincy. But nobody knew I was 32. They was like, people thought I was like 26, 27. Because, you know, I'm running well. I'm moving well. Right.

I was like, man, you know, this age thing ain't nothing but a number. It's how you feel. You know, because look. Are you hitting that high at that age? Yeah, you see? Yeah, yeah. This is for Ocho. Because Ocho challenged me to a competition.

So I got to get right for Ocho. See, look. Because see, I had my ball. Everybody was like, damn, you're losing it here. I said, nah, man. I'm ball by choice. I can still grow hair. I saw Ocho talk about that.

He's talking about he can grow hair. I can do the same. Ocho, he can't grow no hair. I mean, Vern, he can't grow no hair. Vern, as I started to get older, I started to get injured. Yeah. Because I was trying to run with the same intensity and the same volume. And my body couldn't handle it.

Yeah. And I couldn't understand until I got with a track guy. And he said, as you start to age, you can't run the same volume and the same intensity you can't do 20 200 meter sprints at 30 seconds you can't do 25 110s at 16 seconds you just can't shannon so you're gonna have to back it down less volume same intensity as you start to age what has been the difference in your training well the training kind of been the same it's just more of my preparation leading up to training like okay right i'm seeing my chiropractor dr john like mostly some mornings just to get my

body moving well it's the preparation that leads me to train to get my body moving and then once i'm winding down after training the cool down is how i'm setting my body up to get ready for the next day so it's i take my preparation and my cool down very very very seriously to get my body to move the way it move because i have to do the exact same thing the next day and i think a lot of athletes have to start understanding you know as you get older you don't really have to do as much, but you need to do just enough, but also find that tuning where it's like, you need to keep your body moving well. So you got to make sure your hips right, back right, all that type of stuff. So I'm doing more, I'm taking more emphasis on my preparation and my ending for as well

as when I'm cooling down to help my body get ready for the next day. Cause it's all about recovery at the end of the day. So if you recover well and you can get back to a hundred again next day oh man you're in great business but you gotta have the right team and right understanding how your body is because everybody's body is different like you know some people could go out there and crank go crazy in training but you know the next day how can they respond you see yeah and that was the thing though verne that's what that's what that's what was happening yeah yeah i could do, but it had taken so much out of me. Now my next training session was suffering.

So I wasn't. And then, you know, you try to push through it. And next thing you know, my hamstring tweaked. I've tweaked the groin. I'm on my adductors. And I'm just sore because I had put in so much stress on my body because in my head, I'm not going to be the same person if I don't come through at these times with the same level

of consistency. So, Vern, what's your weight? What's your peak condition weight? Right now, I'm usually like 165. That's my race weight, 165. So, I usually bounce between 165 to 170. I don't ever get over 170.

Sometimes, when I come in the fall training, my coach want me to be at least close to my race weight, like, just to go through training a little bit more easier than most, because some people go in the, because you go in the fall training, obviously you've been partying, you've been doing your thing, so you're going a little bit heavy, but at the same time, you start hitting the workout. That lactic hit a little, that lactic hit quicker on that second and third rep,

so you're like, hold on, man. You start holding it, so,'re like hold on yeah you start holding it so like you know that's when I like you double working you trying to lose

weight ain't trying to get fit at the same time try to come in like at least be close to your race

weight because you're going to gain a little bit weight from the weight training because you do a lot of volume in the weight

room but everybody got a different philosophy because see I'm naturally slim lean so yeah right

I'm never gonna get over 172 so I can always just get into fall training but you know but everybody have a different set but you know training for that 400 is different like like people was like when i ran the 43 the the semi final round of football folks i'm not like then you got enough left i said i'm gonna show you i'm actually a little faster today you know what I'm saying so that fall training is different man you gotta really prepare yourself and your body because you know it's gonna hurt that first

month like you know people like oh you know you gonna feel sore I don't even get massaged like that first two months cause I'm like that soreness ain't gonna a massage ain't gonna help that soreness I gotta grind that out you know you know you just gotta take care of that body man gotta take care of that body man gotta take care of that

body you know i'm saying you gotta have them resources so you know but i usually be between once like right now i'm 165 i'm drinking by the water day beet juice i'm on it all man you ain't but you ain't eating no mcdonald's are you oh no no no no you hear that hey man i ain't gonna lie when i go to europe go to Europe... I don't know why. When I go to Europe, I get that McDonald's in Europe, though. You see? You see what I'm talking about?

You see? You heard? It's a desperate night. The food ain't really cracking or nothing. I'm gonna hit that McDonald's, man. Desperate. Ocho, desperate. But I ain't...

I ain't hitting that McDonald's on a regular Ocho. That's what I'm talking about. See, you didn't hear what he said. He understands his body. He knows it works for his body. So I'm talking about. See, you didn't hear what he said. He understands his body. He knows what works for his body. So I'm talking about, for my body, it works well. Look, they call me Vito because we both ball, right?

I ain't getting that McDonald's, man. I ain't getting that McDonald's like that. It's all right. Hey, you go out there, eat McDonald's for a week straight, and come out there and try to run that 400. Boy, you're going to catch lactic. I can. I can.

Because my body is my body is immune to that my body's immune to that like you know my race weight is my weight my race weight is like 220 hey man one thing i admire about you boy you got you got that confidence that god talked about in the bible but i respect that yeah he don't challenge he don't challenge noah he don't challenge quincy he say you want quincy and a hundred. Hey, I challenged Vern on Twitter. Hey, man, look. I'm in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. We can set up a race right now at LSU.

You come down there, but you punked out, though. Nah, I'm traveling. I'm in New York right now. Yeah, yeah. I'm supposed to be in New York, but I'm spending some time with the family before I head out on Monday, man. Go hit that road.

Get back to that money on. Yeah. Hey, man, somebody got to pay on Monday, man. Go hit that road, get back to that money on. Yeah. Hey, man, somebody got to pay the bills, man. It's a job. I like competing, though, man. I just can't sit around and train too much

because once I'm in shape, I like to just go out there and race, man. Right. Right. It's fun, man. I'm telling you, like, once, like, the grind,

all that stuff, it's part of the game. So, you know, a lot of these younger athletes have to understand being a professional, like, you just say, you of these younger athletes have to understand being a professional. Like, you just say you ain't just training, traveling to places for fun. You're out here going out there and compete.

Because these track meets in Europe is totally different from in the U.S. Really? So what's so different about them, Vern? Man, they appreciate the sport. And, like, it's all crowds. You go to these Dom Lee meets, man, it's just like you're competing in their worlds. In the Olympics. We went to the London Dom Lee meet, man. They had, like, 60K,000 people the Olympics. The London Diamond League meet, man, they had like

60,000 people out there. We went to the Olympics, it was 70,000. So it ain't no different than you competing in these big stadiums. And competing on that circuit, man, it's different. It's a different setup. It's very professional. They appreciate the sport. And the competition is there,

man. We see the same people all the time. Like, you see all these guys we race, and we see them all the time on the circuit. Like, those guys in that 400 meters, I'm going to race them next Thursday. So I'm going to get some of that blood, man. I missed out on that blood. I'm going to get some of that blood next week, man. I want some of that.

You want your get back, Hubbard. I'm going to get some of that, man. Win, lose, or draw, I'm going to step on that line and give it everything I got. You know what I'm saying? That's just the competitive in me, man. I want some of that. You want your get back, huh, Byrne? I'm going to get some of that, man. Win, lose, or draw, I'm going to step on that line and give it everything I got, you know? It's just the competitive in me, man. I don't know how you, you know, you football guys, y'all boys get on that field, y'all boys get at it too, but on that field, we get active on that track too,

now. Oh, yeah, for sure. I like it. Track and field is my favorite sport to watch, Byrne. I appreciate it. It's nice, man. I know. Yeah. I mean, I love it. I mean, I go back.

Like I said, I'm a lot older than you. And so I go back. And so I remember like all the Olympics and a lot of the worlds when they first brought the worlds in in 83 in Helsinki. I go back a while. Way, way, way back. And so I love the sport. And the 400 meter is my race. I love, look, I love, you know, track and field, everything in track and field.

But the open four and the four by four, that's my race. Man. That's my race. I love those races. If anybody's watching that four by four this year for the first time, man, they gonna fall in love with it. That's honestly, that's like one of the, probably the closest race I ever seen in the USA. Yeah.

Pushed to the max. It is. You know, because you usually just wiping everybody out. You run away with it. And I think the fans at that games, man, I'm in the arena. I'm like, dang. I'm like, I'm tight. Like, I'm just really tight.

Like, come on, come on. And just to go through and experience that, man, I don't think I'm ever going to forget that. Because I rewatched the race the other day. I'm watching. I'm like, damn, we really sliding. I'm watching. Rob, hold it down, man really sliding. I'm watching Rob hold it down, man, to this day. I said, Rob, you good

in my book to this day, boy. You good in my book to this day, boy. You held us down. Even Chris barely did his thing on first leg. Even Bryce. We told Bryce some things. We're like, hey, Bryce, you got to step on them today. You got to

step on them today. Bryce got that thing on them today. And Bryce got that thing. Shout out to all of them. I said, oh, yeah, there we go. We in business now. And Rob got the stick, and he did his thing. He did something that a lot of track at least don't, probably would never do. He didn't panic.

He had a strategy. He know who Tobogo was. He had an idea of what he was like. Look, I'm going to get out, but I'm going to get out just enough where I don't die in the last 100 meters. Because if you go out too hard, man, there is no catalytic acid like 400

acid in that last 100 meters. Bogo will be the problem, man. Oh, but see, here's the thing. I'm not so sure had he not run that low 44 earlier, and you saw that so you know he got the strength

and he just came off 1946 but a lot of people don't know this about Tobago you know he throughout the year he went through some adversity his mom passed away so he ain't trained for a couple of weeks now

so he missed out on some training Mom passed away. So he ain't trained for a couple of weeks now. So he missed out on some training because, you know, he got to deal with it. So we ain't no views on continuing the season. And for him to do that, man, I got a tremendous amount of respect for him, man. And the way they presented him in Botswana, that was tremendous. That was unbelievable.

That was live. He could be a problem, man. He could run the one, two, and the four. People forget he ran 30 points in the 300 earlier. Oh, he got the world record in the 300 meters. I'm like, man, I hope he'll go to the 400, man. These boys are already knocking at the

door. For him to go out and do that, man. If he run the 400 right now, he probably could go 43 seconds in the right race. Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, absolutely. For sure. Hold on. He ran 19.4. If he runs 19.4, he can come

through easy at 21.5. Easy. Easy. I'm talking about with no stress, Vern. No stress whatsoever. Easy, man. And you mean to tell me he can't get home in 22 after coasting through the... Oh, hell yeah. Let's wait till he put a little bit more muscle on him, he get a little bit stronger, and

he figure out that 100. Like, tell... He doesn't know. He says he might go to the 4. He might do the 4-2. But here's the thing. Are they going to adjust the schedule? Because to do the 4-2 is going to be too much. It's too

close. It's back to back. They have to do what they did for Michael and what they did for Marie-José Perrette. He did it in 96. Both of them did it in 96. They spaced it out and gave him a couple of days in between. Because if you finish one and try to go right, nah. Hell nah. But I got to salute the ball.

He ran. He had a day break. He went straight from the 100 to the 200 to the 4-by-4. I thought he was going to run one round. Botswana got a little depth, too, now. They got some guys that run the 45 seconds. So I'm thinking, oh, he's going to run the first round. He's done.

Man, that boy went out there almost with a 42. I said, man, he a problem, man. Yeah, for sure. A little rock across the line. I said, hey, man, Tabog will be a problem, bro. But shout out to Botswana, man, man, Tobogo will be a problem, bro. You know, but shout out to Botswana, man, Tobogo. They did a great job, man. They pushed us to the max.

Yeah, but Vern, if you 165, Tobogo might be 155. He gotta be. He's small on TV. That's why I say, if he get a little bit more strong, a little bit more powerful, and he clean up some things in that 100, with his top end

speed, he'll probably win. Him and Noah got some of the top end speed. Noah's going to have to run some more 400s, though, Vern. To deal with this kid, Noah's going to have to run some more 400s.

Man, Toboga basically 400 running the sprints, man. That's basically what he is. He's a hybrid. I hope he just stay away from that 400. He's going to beat up on the boys. We already got too much depth in the 400s. It is,

man. It's too much depth in the U.S. There's so many guys in the U.S. that people don't even, like, you didn't see this year that you probably going to see next year. You know, people didn't see Chris Bailey last year, but you see him this year. You know what I'm saying? It's so much depth, man. And I kind of like it that way because it keeps the competition amongst us

like, okay, we got to be on our game. Not just for the world, but for us. Because if we can get through U.S. trials, we already know we're ready for the world. Because you want to do U.S. trials, just like world. Yeah. Let me ask you this about, and we talked about this, and I've talked to several people, Quincy,

as Michael Johnson, I had Justin Gatlin on. Even I talked to Ry. I think Bobby Kersey, who's our coach, Bobby's about legacy. Bobby's about leaving that you I think Bobby Kersey, who's our coach, Bobby's about legacy, Bobby's about leaving that you always remember Bobby Kersey athlete. Is that I can see a situation

where Sid tries to go sub 49, probably at the Worlds, and then she shifts her focus and she goes to the Open 400 and tries to take down Madarina Cope's record. She can do it too. Yeah?

I think she could go sub 49 in the hurdles. And I think she definitely could get... You mean sub 50 in the hurdles? Yeah, sub 50. I'm sorry. Sub 50. And I think she definitely could get the world record because when you're watching her run, man, just her mental focus, you just see it.

And I think just... she got it down pat. Like, with the hurdles, like, she just got it so down pat and it's so perfected that she's just going boom. You know, and then you put her out in the 400. She already got the 200. She can go sub 22 if she really was a train for it. She ran 22.07, which is like the 8th or 9th fastest time run. And she would have had the American record in the 400. If you watched the race

in New York, it was windy as hell on that home stretch when she was finishing that race. She broke the American record that day. She ran for like 48.75. She would have broken if she ran again at trials or something like that. So she definitely in contention, in contentious to do that.

But if she were to focus on the four, I think easily she could get that world record because she has all the tangibles and all the attributes and the strengths to do it. She got the speed, she got the strength, and she got the mindset to do it too in the right coach. So I'm pretty sure he has the recipe to cook it up and stir it up for her. All she got to do is go out there and put it out on the right day on the right time with the right people in there so you know but if we see that stuff 50

in the murdels ain't nobody breaking that record that record gonna be like Flojo or like Cratchalova's record and the 800 or the Colts record we don't get to see Sidney a lot throughout the year so we see at the big meets.

We see her at trials and we see her at the games. So a lot of people be forgetting how multi-talented and phenomenal she is. She can run high hurdles. She can run the 60 meters. She can run the 100 meters.

And she's all day long jumping if she want to. What makes her so unique is that she can run the 100 meters. She can run the 200 meters. What makes her so unique is that she can hurdle with either leg. So she might take off with the right leg and then she's taking 14 steps, I think, in the next four hurdles and she's going left leg. And so it doesn't matter if you notice, you never

see her chop because she can jump with either leg. And she got the speed to do it, the character. Oh, she got top-end speed, yeah. For sure. If she really wanted to do the 200, she could train and do the 200. She can do the short hurdles. Like, she really could do any event she actually really focused on.

But I'm pretty sure the whole world want to see South 50 in the 400 hurdles and then see her try something new with the 400. The 400 is going to be a big challenge because you got those girls. Paulino. You just saw Paulino just challenge because you got those girls. Paulino! You just saw Paulino just run the third fastest time ever. Paulino Adal. 38-17. Paulino Adal and you still got the Barista who just came back.

It was her before it was Paulino. Yes. But now she's got a big push, but Paulino Adal and she ain't going to go down very easily. She ain't going down without a fight. She's going to need that in order for her to get what she wants to get that push for her to get that world record. That's why I said she could get it because,

like I said, if you watch her race way back, I wasn't yet last year, with her and Paulina raced in Paris, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think maybe Sydney was just trying something out just to see. But I think that was Sydney's probably first open four. Yeah, she probably just trying something out just to test the walls and see what she could do. But, you know, like, sometimes it might play those mental gymnastics just to test you out.

But, I mean, she definitely could break the world record, though. She got it. Vern, I think it's going to take, I think she might need to go to altitude in order, with the right track, the right conditions that day? Man, I don't think she needs all that, man. She needs to just go out there and run, man. And just go on.

I'm talking about 4760. There's only two women in the history and track and field has been going on for over 100 years. Since 1896. She just split 4770 with no push. But you do realize 47.60 from blocks? Yes.

It's something entirely different, bro. You run too many 400s not to know that. You know, it's going to be a challenge, but I can definitely see her going south 48. Oh, for sure. For sure. Like I said, you know, it's something that she's going to want to have to do and her coach is going to have to cook up

the recipe for her to do it. And I'm pretty sure he will because he's a mastermind behind a lot of success. A lot of athletes have that he has. Oh, yeah. Hey, I'd love to see it. And I would love to see that, man. So who knows, you know, what Sydney do. I'm a big fan of hers. We're under the same responsibility

for New Balance. So I would love to see it from her, man. And plus the fact that she young. Vern, she young enough. She 25. And she's a three-time Olympian. And she's in her wheelhouse. For the next three, four years, she's going to be this. She's about for like two, for the next two, three years, Vern,

she's going to be at her peak powers. two for the next two three years she's going to be at her peak powers they don't even know man that's why I said it's all going to be about what she want to do at the end of the day

but for the track and field community man we waiting on that day man I'm pretty sure as fans y'all waiting on that day too

because we talking about it right now I'm glad that y'all can see you know the the craft behind can see, you know, the craft behind our work, because, you know, our sport is very different from a lot of these other sports.

Like, because basically, like, when you're out there on that track, you're out there on the island. You know about the island. Those boys been on the island with you. One-on-one, you already know what time it is. You all by yourself? You all by yourself.

It is you and this. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's a lot of people overlook. They think it's all physical. I'm like, nah, it's that mind game. You know what I'm saying?

You walk past one of your, your, your boy by the block. You look at him. Oh yeah. He's scared. He done. So you already,

it's his head. It's little answers. Like sometimes you see guys do stuff like that. They don't want to look at you. They don't want to shake your hand. They don't want to do nothing. I'm like, man,

come on. You look at them and then look away. Okay. I got you. I'm like, man, you know where I'm from boy. This ain't nothing.

This is running. I ain't going to die on this man. I'm good. You know, but it's, it's fun, man. And I'm glad.

I know y'all get to witness and see our sport because man, it's, it's hard, man. It's very hard. Oh yeah, for sure. Like the,

what we put our body through to get very little reward. And that's why I said, we appreciate child strong. Y'all know y'all generosity towards us. Cause that's big, man. I think what y'all did for our community, man,

y'all good. My book, y'all come to bed. I got a room. I can take you down to the best soul food spot. Boy, you eat that right to sleep. Look, man, you're good in my book, man.

But we appreciate y'all, man. It's been fun. For those in the chat asking, yes, Vern has received his payment. Come on, man. Hey, don't say it too loud. Somebody might come knocking on the door. I'm like, oh, find some money. They're like, hey, you owe me some money.

They're like, hey, man, look. Mama probably text me, oh, you got paid? Nuh-uh, chill out now. Chill out. I'm like, oh, I'm a little frugal, man. I understand it, bro. I understand it. I'm frugal, man.

I ain't got no money. I'm broke. Bro, thank you for giving us some of your time tonight, man. We really, really appreciate it. Appreciate it. Congratulations on the time, the Olympic record. Congratulations on the world record and the mixed relays. Continued success the rest of the season.

And we'll see you down the road, bro. I appreciate y'all having me, man. Hey, look, though. You know. Yes. Whenever Ocho can't make it, I'm going to come co-host with you. All right. You good, dude.

OK. Come on. You good, bro. Hey, look. Look to come co-host with you. All right. You good, dude. Okay. Come on. You good, bro. Look, I'm bald just like you, so we can get on there together, man. We good. We good. Burn, appreciate it, man. Best of luck. Stay healthy. We'll see you down the road. Yes, sir. All right. I'll take these. All right, bro. Have a good one.

Yep. Man, that was unbelievable, man. Hey, that was live, that boy. Yeah. That was live. I'll leave. Hold on. I'm a little bit new to this. Man, just hit the X and get up out of here, bird.

Man, that was great, Ojo. That was great, man. I mean, to have Noah on, to have the mixed relays with Shamir Little, KK, Bryce Dedman, obviously Burn, and then Burn to bring it home. Man, it's great. We're still trying to work on a few athletes. Matter of fact, I'm glad

you just said that you're trying to work on a few athletes. Masai Russell asked if she could come on. So I told her I would pass the message on to Unk. Obviously, you know she won. Yes, she won come on. So I told her I would pass the message on to Unc. Obviously, you know, she won. Yeah, she won the hurdle. Yeah, so I'll get that information to you.

All right. We'd love to have her. This is good. This is really good. Just being able to hear from, allowing the fans to hear from my athletes and what that experience was like, you know, representing our country, the pressure, the strategies that go into

racing, and how it's more than just running. It's so much more to just running, as opposed to what the casual fan may think, that really doesn't watch track. So it's really dope to hear the game plans that each person has, and then what they go through, and how they

prepare for the track meets, especially on the big stage, like the Olympics. Well, it's kind of like you. People just think you go out there and get open. There's a technique, there's a skill to running the bang, to make it look just like a square out, to make it look like a dig, to make it

look like an over. So people say, oh man, he just got... No, no, no, no. There's technique to that. You just don't just go run. There has to be a rhyme You just don't just go run. There has to be a rhyme and a reason. Everything needs to look the same. I'm falling off the table on the out route. Hey, back foot hit.

And then guess what? The bang. Once I glance inside, I know that safety cover three because it's bang. Bang. That's how I guess the name. So, yeah, we love to have him. We're going to get that information. Ocho, now it's time for us to pivot. We got to go to football.

Daniel Jones gave Giants fans reason to worry with two interceptions against Houston. After two interceptions, Daniel Jones. I thought it was three. He threw two or three. I thought it was three. I think maybe the backup came in and did that. Hey, did you see that pick by Stingley, though stingley though yeah oh that was a hell of a pick that was nice boy but stingley the hell of a player oh yeah he nice he nice after two interceptions david daniel jones

delivered a pair of scoring drives but you know what the topic will be in new york this week the first was a classic example what not to do guess. Guess what? He's in a situation, and while he did, he exacerbated it. He made a bad situation worse. Even worse. So what's worse, a safety or a pick six? Yeah. I think, you know what he was trying to do? He was trying to throw that joker out of bounds,

but the momentum from the hit, it jarred the ball loose and messed up the throw. I tweeted earlier today as unethical as Daniel Jones' performance was in the preseason game, I said that Malik Nabors is so good.

He's so good, he's going to save him. That's how good. Sometimes you have quarterbacks that are so good, they make the receiver. Malik Nabors is so good. He's how good. Sometimes you have quarterbacks that are so good, they make the receiver. Malik Nabors is so good. He's shown such elite talent, not only in the preseason games, but in practice as well. He's going to save

Daniel Jones in season. He's going to be a security blanket. Not when you throw a play, not when you throw the ball directly to the DB. Yeah, and the funny thing about it, and a lot of people say, how are you going to get in the ball? It just put the ball in the vicinity. This is the NFL. Put the ball in the vicinity

of neighbors and you'll be fine. Yeah. Okay. Second, but he threw a pick fix to Jalen Petrie, and then the second interception came on the next possession. Darryl Stingler Jr. had a great pick. Daniel Jones signed a four-year deal for $160 million. So, you

ride with Danny Dimes this year? I mean, we don't have no choice. You got a choice. You don't play for New York. You know, I don't got no horse in the race over there in New York. I could care less. I could care less. You ride with him.

I mean, is he alright? I don't know. It's Ocho Seco ride with Daniel Jones Is it simple yes or simple no? I mean No Listen I told you I ain't got what you're asking Hey I don't have no horse

In the race over there in New York You know Don't pay me no mind Hey, I don't have no horse in the race over there in New York. You know what I mean? You know, they don't pay me no mind. The Steelers played both Russell Wilson and Justin Field quarterback for the entirety of the day's preseason game and only scored three points. They combined for a total of 139 yards.

They even played a lot of their start on Pittsburgh offense. Ocho, given what you saw, what's the Steelers' ceiling? Now, see, the Steelers game, I didn't get to see, Unc. I'm going to just be honest with you because, yeah, I understand. I'm out here in New York, and I was doing a signing during the tenure of that game. So, you, I haven't had a chance to get back and watch it or watch the replay. So, I'm not sure what happened, so you're going to have to keep me

abreast on what you saw and what happened and I'm going to have to go back and watch it. Ocho, man. Was it that bad? Let me start. Was it that bad? The thing is that you see both of them make throws in practice.

I mean, you know, Fields is playing unbelievable. Russell is making great throws. And then come game time, it's just like, damn. Practicing the game is completely different. And that's the thing

I'm saying. Did y'all even practice? I mean, it was bad. Hold on. Was it that bad or you just don't like the Steelers no no no I mean I was a Steelers fan growing up right but just looking at it

I don't want to say they're going to be 2-15 but boy they got to improve offensively, man. They got to. It was that bad? It was bad. They were bad. Well, it is preseason. I mean, I can

say that. I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing. Ocho, you and I both know. Yes, sir. In preseason, it didn't matter. You ain't want to go out there and put on no bull jive performance. Right, right. At least give us a small sample size of what it's going to look like.

That's tape. I ain't trying to put that on film. Right. I ain't trying to put that out there, Ocho. I ain't going to even lie to you. I ain't trying to put that out there. I mean, you making it sound like they played the Bad News Bears or something. Ocho was bad.

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Oh, Joe, the Cowboys kicker Brandon Aubrey just nailed a 66-yard field goal at the buzzer, tied for the longest kick in NFL history. It's been one hell of a story for the 28-year-old undrafted Frazier from the NFL. UFL, excuse me, UFL. They said the kick would have been good from 72 yards. But damn. Which would have been

the longest kick in NFL history. These guys now, Ocho. I mean, 50 is no longer a test for any kicker in the NFL. You don't really start to stress a kicker until you get to 55. 50 yarders. Like nothing.

66 is very far. That's the NFL record. I mean, the guy in Baltimore. Yeah. Justin Tucker. But then when I think about it, doing it in a preseason game where there's really no pressure on you,

there's really no pressure on you because if you miss, you miss. I mean, it's just preseason. You're already a kicker. The job is already yours. But what happens when you put an individual in that pressure situation

where the game is on the line? Yeah, I know I got 66 yards. That's a different ball game. I know I got the leg to do it. Oh, yeah. got 66 yards that's a different ball game i know i got the leg to do it oh yeah you see that's why we practice because hey son i've seen you make that play in practice right hey son i've seen you run win this route in practice it gives what you do in practice gave me the confidence that when i went into the game yeah i can do it yeah i'll give that what y'all do i don done did this before. My body knows.

You know, as a kicker, as a kicker myself, as you've seen me kick, you know, field goal in the game, there is a certain pressure that is on you when the game is on the line. Oh, yeah. Especially from that distance. That is far because the further back you go, the more difficult it is to be accurate and consistent.

First of all, a lot of times you overkick the ball. Bingo. Shit, you ain't got no choice. You better. 66? You know how fun it is? Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, they got a guy standing back there at the back of the

end line, so he going to catch it. Now, you only got two guys that can really tackle. Those are the wings. Because you got five offensive – you probably got five or six offensive and defensive linemen, and then you got the kicker. He can't tackle. The holder, he can't tackle. And basically, you got two wings that are normally linebacker or tight end.

Those are your guys. That's it. That's what you got. So – You're at a disadvantage. Yes, very much so much so all right oh joe it's time for our last segment of the night and it's q and a i see somebody in the chat trying to be funny about oh joe was the kicker what do you mean kickball now you better do your homework stop playing with me man uh texas track dad podcast said thanks for supporting track and field tonight

nightcap nah man this is like to have these guys and to see the excitement Ocho of having somebody like ourselves support them and then put money where our mouth is like bro we proud of y'all and we want to show you just how proud

and congratulate you for what we did you can see the sincere the genuine happiness that everybody that's been on here. That's that's that's one. You can see the genuine excitement that comes along with it. I got a question. Yes. I don't mean to put our business out there. What's the chances that we can see it on here?

I'm just curious. We put some calls in. put our business out there. What's the chances that we get and see it on here? I'm just curious. Uh, we, we, we, we put some calls in, so we'll see how, we'll see how that goes.

Okay. Okay. I mean, that's kind of how we got all of, we put calls out and all we can do is, you know, we put calls out and, uh,

they can respond or not. Yeah. Well, I would hope, I would hope with the love that we've been showing, I would hope that she responds just so we can give her not. Yeah, well, I would hope. I would hope with the love that we've been showing, I would hope that she responds just so we can give her flowers. Yeah. Jayden Blackwell, USA, is about to take over track again

at the Paralympics in Paris. I hope so. Hey, gold is gold. So I'm excited. I'm, you know, love competition is competition. Um, these Paralympic, uh,

athletes, they train and have the same desire, the same dedication. They've trained a lifetime for this moment. And to see all their hard work come full circle. Yeah. They're as excited as the able bodies that's able to, you know,

so I'm excited to see them. Um, hopefully I get a chance to see them. I just about to be, this is about to be our busy time of the year. I don't, when, when does the Paralympics start?

They starting. So hopefully, uh, 20th of this month. Yeah. See, that that's gonna be a busy time for us that's gonna be we better head back and we start you know uh we'll be winding up we'll be in dallas yeah getting ready for the final leg of our tour and then you know football season starts that following thursday oh yeah let's go but i Let's go. But I'll catch some of it. I'll catch some of it. Chiefs and Ravens.

Man, hold on, man. Hey, did you see Mahomes with that backyard pass? Yeah, why are you surprised by that? That was nice, boy. And they talk about he ran the wrong route. Man, they practiced that. They ain't fooling me. Butsey was supposed to run the flat i think they did that on purpose

though kelsey was supposed to run the flat to pull the guy that other guy was supposed to get it right okay i won't never oh okay i see what you mean hey you talk about improvising man that was smooth as hell yeah dr frank l. Frank L. Bellamy said, Hey, Uncle Nocho, see y'all in Atlanta. Who do y'all think is going to be the biggest surprise team this season, either for better or worse? The Bears. You think?

Yeah, what you call them? Caleb Williams looks unbelievable. Yeah, and you know what? I saw a few people, a few tweets that said, well, everybody hooping and hollering about what Caleb Williams just did. And Justin Fields used to do that, too. And I think what people are failing to realize is Justin Fields showed flashes of what we saw Caleb Williams do today every so often.

Yes. He didn't do it consistently. Consistently. Lamar Jackson, he does it consistently. Patrick Mahomes, he does it consistently. Patrick Holmes, he does it consistently. Josh Allen, despite the influx of turnovers, he does it consistently. And that's what was missing. And we have a huge sample size of Caleb Williams in college doing what we saw today in college, but consistently.

That's the only difference. That's the difference which that's that's the difference which separates those that are really good and those that are okay just being able to find that that that happy medium of being able to do it consistently time in and time out again man oh that's all it comes down to this is this what annoys me about fans. Yes, sir. Now, if they stay with Justin Fields and Caleb Williams goes somewhere and lights it up, what are they going to say then? We could have had Caleb Williams

if we stayed with Justin Fields. The exact same thing. Bro, y'all stop this. It's easy to say after the fact. Hindsight is a magnificent science because you have the luxury of knowing today, tomorrow. Stop that. We just say y'all the same thing as that was booing

when Justin Fields threw a pick or he fumbled a ball. Now y'all quick to say, oh, Justin Fields did this. And I think Justin Fields, do I think he was mismanaged, mishandled? Yes. Absolutely. Well, hey, look at the organization he was with. They mismanaged every guy they've had. All

y'all do is that he do some, same thing. I don't know why we took him when Andy took Patrick Mahomes we didn't need a quarterback we got Alex Smith we got Alex Smith yeah they don't know no better

hold on did you see Jaden Dayans today though but he looked good yeah he looked good you know I went to the Dolphin practice. I went to the joint practice. And I was able to see them. I think it might have been Thursday's practice. Man, what that boy looked like.

You know how you see some rookies and they look like they just belong? Like they've been doing it like he's been here before. Man, he in that pocket, man, so goddamn calm and relaxed. Pressure coming all around him. He just stepping up in the pocket.

Man, he look nice. And this was in practice, so I expected what I saw in the game. Okay, all right, I just saw that. So, okay. Okay. Stephanie Warfield say, stay with me now. Name a word that people use

or spell incorrectly that is your pet peeve. See what I did there? Am I specific instead of specific? Also to instead of to. Man, look here. I mean, a lot of times... there and there yeah

using E-I instead of E-R-E as in possession as in place I mean look a lot of times people are like oh you misfeared it bro stop it you're not no English professor this is Twitter I ain't write no dissertation

I ain't try to dissertation. I ain't doing that. I ain't trying to turn in no law. No, it ain't none of that going on here. You got the gist. In other words, I say you ugly. You understood that, though. I'm a grammar Nazi on Twitter. Hell no.

Jamal Bryant, as an older man and father would y'all feel some type of way if you're trying to get you to talk to a therapist my father is 50 he has a lot of trauma hurt pain pride never talk to anyone or trust anyone

nah hey I would tell him go hell I done been a bunch of times the therapy hell yeah I mean I went to school for that i i man i just like hey i was quick to let like nobody you know i just you know being a little brother and being you know being having older cousin being picked on as i got up got some sides i wasn't going for none of that. That wasn't going to happen.

No, sir. Oh, no. Hey, slide your number. I get with you. Mm-hmm. So, and you just have to learn it and dealing with relationships. Yeah. That, you know, to be like, you try to be on the same level,

to be on the same, you know, to communicate. I'm not great at communicating. I say what I say. You know, you say what you say. Okay, I'm done with it. Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. You said what you said. I said what I did. What are we going back and forth for?

I think about also he said at the age that he's at, do you think therapy even helps at that point? Yeah, for sure. You think so? Because it gets you stuck in your ways. Yeah, but sure. You think so? Because it gets you. You're sort of stuck in your ways. Yeah, but it gets you to look that your ways got you effed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because like I say, I told you this time, sometimes you bleed on the people that didn't even cut you. Oof, I got that in my notes. But you don't know that you're doing that. You don't know what you don't know that you're doing that. You don't know what you don't know. And sometimes you got to be smart.

You got to be smart enough to know what you don't know. Mm-hmm. And, you know, you just got to, okay, let me see an alternate. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Here's an alternate view of somebody that don't have a dog in the fight. That's why therapy, you know, you don't know the person. Now, maybe you and your partner

are not going to see the same therapist, but you're going to someone, and it's better, because I've been in both situations. I've gone by myself, and I've taken a partner with me. And because a lot of times, you're only going to tell your side of the story that makes you look favorable. You know how they go down to the interrogate room?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He did that. But you tell half the story. The half that's convenient for them to keep me out of it. Yeah.

Oh, you know, you tell your side to make you look good, to make it seem like it's the other person. So now when the other person comes in, tell this side. Now is his job says, OK, do you see why she felt that way do you see why he felt this way okay is there a common ground that we can get to so yeah i absolutely believe i absolutely believe that it that it helps uh i definitely know it helped me and it's still a work in progress, Ocho. You have to go because a lot of times it's too late to buy insurance after you wreck the car. It's too late to buy insurance after the house is burnt down. God damn it. I ain't got my damn notepad.

Boy, that's a good one right there. So a lot of times people don't only want to do something with something chaotic is going on. But a lot of times it's too late. To buy insurance after you wrecked the car. Oh, I'm finna use that. Hey, I'm finna hit real with that one, but next argument. I ain't bullshit.

Next argument. Kelly, boy, as mister. Okanocho, you guys responded to one of my messages a few months ago and you guys helped me through a hard time in my life and I'm nowhere to go and this is my safe place and a guaranteed

laugh after a bad day. Thank you. Nah, bro. Thank you. Thank you for being supportive. Thank you for watching. Ocho and I, you look, we try to break down sporting events, but we try to teach you life lessons, things that have happened

to each of us in our lives and to be open and as honest as I possibly can about things that have because at 56 years of age, I haven't been perfect. And I've never professed that I'm perfect. And I'm big enough, old enough to know that I've been bad in certain spots. Try not to be bad in that position again. But I've never been too big to not accept responsibility and accountability. And I think that's the biggest thing. I think a lot of times people always look at the place to blame. It's always someone else's fault. Well,

if it's always someone else's fault, why are you the only common denominator? Hmm. Hmm. I mean, you go to the restaurant, it stinks. You in your car, it stinks. You at home, it stinks. You in your car, it stinks.

You at home, it stinks. You go to church, it stinks. You the one that got the smelly booty. It's you. It ain't everybody else. Come on, pastor. So I think a lot of people don't want to accept responsibility. They don't want to accept accountability.

Because it's so easy to blame other people. I own up to mine and it's okay. I'm not perfect. Same. I'm not. People want you to flip. I think the thing is that society has come so they want you to think their lives are perfect. Oh, I got the perfect marriage.

I got the perfect job. I got the perfect everything. There is no such thing as perfection. All I do is I shoot for the stars. And if I land on the moon, I'm still pretty damn high up. And that's okay. Somehow we've like, if you make a mistake,

I'm not saying make the same mistake, Ochoa. Oh, no. It take one time. You hear me? It take one time. One time. But Cal me? It take one time. So one time. That's just, but Cali boy, I'm glad we could be, I remember the name. I don't quite remember. I think you were going through something with a girlfriend.

But bro, my grandfather used to always say, sunshine follows rain. Every time. No matter how stormy. It rained 40 days and 40 nights. But the same sun came out and no one could see the land. It's going to get better, bro. I promise you. BK said, are y'all excited about NFL season as much as I am?

Me, I've watched more preseason than I ever have in my entire life. Of course. Yes. I'm very excited for the NFL season. I'm anxious to see. Can the sports about stories? Can Kansas City three P? Can Aaron Rodgers get the Jets to where they want to be? Can Lamar Jackson finally get over the hump?

We know what his regular seasons are. Impeccable. Can he go? Dak Prescott, is this his last year in Dallas? Will the Cowboys advance? There are so many storylines so yes I'm excited to see them all and see them

unfold and in New Orleans and what the second week of February we're going to crown a champ will it be the same champ or will it be a new champ going to be the Bengals in New Orleans or that's what it's gonna be

yeah I'm just telling you that's that's the story well we gonna be down there well we definitely we definitely gonna be down there all right guys that concludes nightcap thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap.

I want to thank Noah Lyles. We want to thank Vernon Norwood, Brian Dedman, Shamir Little, Caitlin Brown, and Caitlin, right? It's Caitlin Brown. Caitlin. Caitlin Brown. Sorry. KK, that's what they were calling it.

So guys, thank you so much for joining us at Nightcap. I'm sure all our listeners, all our viewers, we're very excited to see you guys and hear you break down your performances and the meaning of being in the Olympics and being able to run and get those medals. So, thank you again for joining us. I am your favorite, Shannon Sharp.

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Later on, Joe. The volume. be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there.

And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.