Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: NBA Lottery Rigged? Michael Jordan joins NBA on NBC + Best Cookout Food

Episode Date: May 13, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and NBA Legend Joe Johnson react to the Dallas Mavericks winning the NBA Lottery and likely drafting Duke star Cooper Flagg, Michael Jordan joining the NBA on NBC Broadcast, debate the best cookout meals, and much more!01:47 - Mavs front office reaction05:21 - ESPN mock draft08:00 - Jordan joining NBC and Peacock as a special contributor23:33 - Bill Simmons predicts Lakers will trade Reaves30:54 - Pennix debate on ketchup on eggs and grits39:47 - Q & Ayyyy (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Front office sport. Uh. Okay. Hey, check and listen to what this guy had to say about Mav's front office reaction. The second pick will be made by... Look at me. Look at me.

Hey. Hey. Hey. They ain't trading that, Pete. Hey. That's what's going on. They all get an awesome play acting. They all get an awesome play acting. According to Adam Schefter, one NBA executive estimated

privately in recent weeks that winning the draft lottery would be worth a minimum of $500 million and maybe up to a billion dollars from one lucky franchise. The Mavs just won the lottery. Literally. This is orchestrated, man.

It is. Feel harmonic orchestra. That's all. Everybody in that video just won an Oscar. They won an Emmy, you know? All right, you got it. Oh, yeah. Hey, Joe, come on, Joe.

You can see this from a mile away. Joe, I can see it from a mile away. You can't fake that type of celebration. You think you can fake it? Well, you should have told me. I wish you would have told me who was going to win the lottery, me and Joe, to put some money on it. What are you talking about?

Y'all don't ever listen to me. I told you what the Knicks were going to do in this series, and look what's happening. You didn't even know they was having the draft lottery tonight, Ocho. Damn. You didn't even know they was having the draft lottery tonight. How the hell are you going to tell me and Joe? I knew.

You knew once the Mavs won the pick because their father can't break a dude across your feet. It only made sense, Unc. Luka gone.

The Dallas fans in distress. The organization in Dallas under distress. What does Adam Silver do? Hey, just hold tight. I got you. Nah.

Oh, convenient. All of a sudden, Luka's gone, and now we just with a 1% chance of getting the number one pick. Oh, we get the lottery? Come on, now. How can you? I mean, if you think about it, look, fans are pissed saying if the top prospect is generational, you best believe he's going to the West. In 2012, AD went to the West. In 2019, Zion went to the West. In 2020, Ant-Man went to the west in 2012 ad went to the west in 2019 zion went to the west in 2020

ant-man went to the west in 2023 wimby went to the west 2025 cooper flag went to the west they be you gotta say more no that ain't really, man. Nah, man, listen, man. Come on, man. Come on, man. Well, you say it took their franchise up to, you said what? You said $500 to maybe a billion dollars in valuation. Just the number one overall pick. Just for the number one pick. Yep. Yeah, they ain't trading that. They finna, they finna.

Hey, look. Them folks, tell Dallas up, man. They trade Google Flam. Now that I think about it. Hey, they say we got another one. We got another one. Hey, we let you. Hey, we didn't storm the castle with this one. You get rid of this one.

It's going to be trouble, Nico. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I don't know, man. I'm looking forward to see what's to come, though. ESPN latest mock draft. The Dallas Mavericks select Cooper Flagg, small forward, power forward, Duke, San Antonio,

Dylan Harper, point guard, shooting guard, Rutgers, Philadelphia 76ers, Arias, Ace Bailey, shooting guard, small forward, Charlotte, excuse me, from Rutgers. Charlotte Hornets, Edgecombe, B.J. Edgecombe, shooting guard, Baylor. And Utah, Jeremiah

Fierce, point guard, Oklahoma. I like that young Ace Bailey kid, bro. I seen him play a few times. He's nice. Ron Harper is doing good, bro. I seen him play a few times. He's nice. Ron Harper's on good, too. Yeah, Harper, yeah, he's nice. They're on the same team. They both played at Rutgers.

Yeah. Like, Ace Bailey with Tyrese Maxey with Philly, you know, that'll be a pretty good, that's a pretty nice tandem. Yeah, I don't know what they're going to do with them B, but I guess we'll find out here soon. Well, he might be a Laker.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? We might have to get off the bandstand. I hate to see Kobe to Ozarks go. In the Semiram War, you're ruined. But, hey. Man, I just can't trust him. I just can't trust Embiid.

I just, his body. He's not going to get healthier. How old is Joel Embiid? 30? He's got to be 30. He might be looking for a fresh start, you know, rejuvenate his career a little bit. Sometimes that's all.

He's 31. Yeah, yeah. He got plenty of basketball left in him. Let me ask you a question. If Nikola Jokic weighed 290, how much you think Embiid weighed? Like right now? I think he at least three. He got to be at least three.

310. 315. He a big boy, man. He is. If Jokic 290, yeah. Damn. And Joel Embiid, what, like 7'1",

7'2"? Yeah, I got him pushing about 315. 325, 330. Woo. Big boy, man. But when he's healthy and he's on that court? When, though? but when he's healthy when he's healthy and he's on that court when though that day

when you know what you get you need a fresh start when when give him a fresh start when he get a new jersey on okay

you know it could be diet nah man alright here we go here we go. Here we go. This jungle want to be, he want Yannis.

This man putting an all-star team together in Miami. Man, them folks ain't doing all that. Check this out. I don't know if you guys heard. Michael Jordan will be joining NBA on NBC and Peacock as a special contributor. Jordan, the Bulls, won six titles. He's a five-time champion, and he's regarded as the GOAT.

What version of MJ would we get on air? What you expecting? Uh... I mean, yeah, because think about it. I think NBC... The NBA hadn't been on NBC since, what, 2002? Because the NBA used to be on NBC. Well, before, it was on CBS.

I remember when they had Bill Russell used to commentate with Brent Musburger. That was before your time, Joe. And then it went to NBC, Bob Costas, Marv Albert. Sideline reporting was Ahmad Rashad. I mean, we really, really never heard Mike really talk basketball. Not in a professional setting. Not in, you know, he's sitting around, you know, you hang out with him,

he talk ball like that. But cameras, action, people around, I don't know. I don't know what to expect. I think he gonna be very blunt and honest on there. Like, you know, just telling kind of how you really see the game. I don't think so, Joe. I think it's going to be pretty entertaining.

Okay, Ocho. I think people are going to tune in because they want to hear Jordan talk. I mean, outside of it, we really never heard Jordan talk except in a press conference. Yeah. Or except after a game. You know what I'm saying? We've really never heard him in a studio, and he's asked to give a critique or an analyst or analyze what happened in the game or what this player did.

You know, I like this player. I like Kobe. He like LeBron. He like this. He like that. But to ask to critique and analyze a game, we've never heard him do this, Joe. I'm not saying that he can't because obviously the man has a tremendous

basketball IQ. Yeah. I mean, it's going to be interesting just to hear his views, his points based on what he's seeing, being able to critique while being fake. I wonder if they're going to call him a hater when he calls somebody out. Because you know they call everybody else a hater. Yeah. It all depends on how far he goes

in his assessments on players or what's going on. He's going to pick and choose the way he wants to commentate and analyze as well. He might not want to put himself in position where he has to critique people in that manner

the way most analysts and punters do. Charles Barkley does. Hmm. I think it's going to be funny. It's going to be funny. I just want to hear. I just want to hear. I just want to hear him with his take.

Because I think the thing is that a lot of times people think the greater you are at something, the more opinionated and easier it is. But we know from football, some of the greatest guys that have ever played the game can't talk about the game. Right. And it's funny how that works because a lot of times, like bodybuilding, I'm a big bodybuilding fan. A lot of times bodybuilders can train themselves, but they can't train somebody else. Yeah, that's me. So I'm really anxious to see and to hear Jordan,

his critique and his analysts of the game and players in today's game. Yeah, me too. But I do. I do. I expect for it to be blunt. I expect for him to really tell you how it is because maybe he'll draw the analysis as far as

like when back when he played in today's game. But I know he don't like that three. Yeah. I know he don't like that three. Yeah, I know he ain't like that. Three ball. So, yeah, I'm excited too, man. I think it's going to be fun. It's a whole generation, especially today,

who never even got a chance to see him play. Or heard him speak. Yeah, or even heard him speak. So, yeah, I think this is going to be great for the basketball world for sure. He different. I mean, if you've never been around him, he talk ish about everything. Big time.

Bro, I'm talking about from what you got on. He playing cards. I mean, there ain't nothing that he ain't talking ish about and he want to bet gamble on everything how long does it get from point A to point B man come on dude I just

hear man hey how y'all do how everybody doing but I ain't coming to bet no money man hey he's a very like I said I mean seeing him on television don't do him justice you got to see him in person yeah to get a sense and a feel of who and what this man is i've never seen anything like it yeah it's different bro it's different i ain't gonna lie to you look i had the pleasure to be around him on numerous occasions, and I just kind of sat back and watched.

You know, I didn't ask a lot of questions to Uncle Joe. Like, you know, we had things we would do in the summer, whether it was bringing Jordan athletes, taking vacations together, or us just meeting up, hanging out. And every time, bro, I would just be, like, just watching, just trying to pick up anything and everything. Because as he's talking, he's giving game at the same time. You know, he take us out to eat and we sit there and we talk.

And he'll tell you, you know, hey, look, man, all you got to do is average five to six points a quarter, man. That's 24 points a game. Like, it ain't easy. I mean, it ain't hard. You know, we make the game hard, but he broke it down to a science, you know, and had to work at it to prove it. But yeah, does he seem real? Nah, it really didn't a lot of times

because, okay, Ocho, that's who, you know, as a kid, I grew up watching, you know, watching all them Bulls games. Like I said, they played on WGN or something like that. And I know we had that channel. They was on almost every night. So for me, he was like a hero, bro.

It was like he wasn't even real. So to get the opportunity to rep the Jordan brand and be a part or to be in that circle, like that was, I can't even describe it, bro. We had such a great time. But yeah, he didn't seem real. He didn't seem real. He doesn't. Listen, I've met, talked to Denzel face-to-face, had a conversation.

Samuel Jackson, Oprah. I saw Victoria, David Beckham. I mean, I've seen some of the biggest stars in the world. I've never seen anybody. It's like he levitating. I'm like, he don't ultra. I'm mad this man glowing. You remember how Bruce Leroy?

How he was glowing? Showing up. He showed up. How he was glowing. Yes. I swear. And I'm not going to be blasphemous, but boy,

if you ever, if something, if you ever met him, but Ocho, if you think about it, every athlete that ever meet him says the exact same thing about him. Same thing, yeah.

So I thought it was just me. I was like, well, you know, hey, I'm just, I'm in the league. I made a couple of Pro Bowls I'm an all pro I'm a pretty good player so I said you know man I'm starstruck

I'm all but did I hear people that's Hall of Famers and won championships feel the exact same way I said okay it ain't no bull jive no he for real I mean and like I said he different cause I'm saying you know you think I'm saying, you know, you think he's going to be like,

hey, man, how you doing? Bro, you just met me. You talking ish from the dog. Bro, you know what I'm saying? You ain't expecting that. That's him. Yeah. I'm from the get.

Yeah. I said, oh, my goodness. But like, yeah, you got to. I've never met Tiger. So I don't know how that'll be, but I can't imagine. I can't imagine. It'll be the only thing I probably could compare it to would probably be the other MJ. The OG MJ.

Michael Jackson. Yeah. That's probably the only thing that I can compare it to because Mike was the only one that people, people pay all that money to go to the concert and don't watch it because they fainted. Yeah. That's probably the only thing that I can compare it to because Mike was the only one that people, people pay all that money to go to the concert and don't watch it. Cause they fainted. The man come out there and just stay in and people just fighting. Yeah,

it was good. So that, I think that would probably be the only thing comparable to it. I had the fortune of meeting Jay-Z and, and, and, and, and Beyonce.

Uh, like I said, I've met, you know, big, big, big, big... Had a conversation with Jeff Bezos. Ain't nothing like MJ, bro. I'm sorry.

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Joe's like, he just, as a matter of fact, I'm trying to think. When the All-Star game was in L.A., he had a a party and I got an invite. you couldn't drive because it wasn't a Bel Air mansion. You drove and they had buses, shuttles to pick you up and take you. I mean, this place probably 50,000 square foot.

And the thing is, they had crab legs lost all the stuff but they had it like on a conveyor belt so the place was coming around with your coming i'm like i was like man what the food it, oh, it's getting ready to come out. I'm like, okay. I'm like, so I walk a little further, and there it is. On a conveyor belt. Yeah.

Now, he is like in a little back room, you know, holding up, you know, smoking a cigar, you know, he's going to be on them cigars. Yeah. hold up he said you know smoking a cigar you know he's gonna be on them cigars yeah hey ojo there ain't nothing like the jordan the brand jordan parties all during all-star weekend i was that's what that's what it was that's what it was yeah yeah so uh i had the luxury to be a seven-time all-star so i was a brand jordan athlete right that entire time. So, man, they were star-studded, bro. It was it. That's the place you wanted to be. Hey, look, even when I don't even go to All-Star weekends now,

I got people who be hitting my phone during All-Star weekend. You think you can get me in that Jordan party? I'm like, man, look. No. I mean, you know what? I got there by happening. As a matter of fact, Ocho, to this day, I still don't know how I got in because somebody sent the thing to my phone. They did.

They sent the thing to my phone. I don't even know how they got my number. Right. I was like, is this for real? No. Hey. Hey. It was off the chain, Ocho.

I ain't going to lie to you. It was off the chain though Joe I ain't gonna lie to you It was off the chain Yeah Hey I gotta I gotta meet George man I gotta I gotta see if he can You got A

I gotta see if he can You got A I gotta see if he can meet George No I'm gonna go at him Joe Hey you're gonna have to take You're gonna have to take Nightcap to All-Star Weekend I gotta

I gotta I gotta go at him Joe But you really think You would've done something with me Huh I would've had that You gonna say We gonna do that right now I would've had that 23 Looking like 32 I got to go at him, Joe. But you really think you would have done something with me? Huh? I would have had that 23 looking like 32. Hey, he's going to be like, we can do that right now. But let me tell you what he's going to do.

He said, I got a million cash right now. Let's go play the level. I tell you, for his million, I got 5,200. Oh, you got a million. Hey. and it's me and I got $5,200 oh you got a business hey because he because the way he bet the way he bets Ocho he gonna bet

whatever's gonna make you feel uncomfortable right hey listen and you know what I live my life being I've gotten comfortable being uncomfortable

so that's not gonna work with me yeah no when that man said see I don't know I've seen a million dollars cash that's not going to work with me. Yeah, no. See, I don't know. I've seen a million dollars cash, and I ain't really trying to do anything for a million dollars cash. I ain't trying to shoot no one shot.

I ain't trying to play no pool. I ain't trying to play no ice hockey. I ain't trying to play no Madden. It's a whole different ball game. You notice, like, in the World Series of Poker, when it gets down to the final table, what they do, Ocho, they bring that $8 million, that $10 million out in cash, and they put it on the table.

Just imagine, Ocho, they're your salary. They put your whole salary up there, and they said, okay, now, win this game, you get that. If you don't, we take it. Yeah, yeah, I like it listen i like my chances one-on-one anything right now with him with jordan right now i don't you don't no be honest with yourself you i don't i will put my million on him that way i double it matter of

fact matter of fact say are you sure who you got right now a, shoot around one-on-one, me or Jordan? I got Jordan. You know, hey, Mike, if you see this, make it happen. What? Make a lot of this stuff, Jordan. Hey, Joe, I think me and you will get a lot of credit. We might need to get some more money. Hey, Mike.

Put on Jordan. Mike, I love you, baby. Make a lot of yourself. How much you boy, man? We get a lot of... Joe, I think we get a lot of credit. And make us some money. Make us some quick money.

With all due respect, how about your boy, man? Let's do something, man. I need to prove myself to these folk now. All right. Bill Simmons predicts the Lakers will trade Austin Reeves. When Reeves gets traded this summer, and he will get traded, the stuff the Lakers get back from him is going to make it seem worse than the Mavericks didn't get in the trade.

And now the Knicks Heat Clippers are among the favorites to land Austin Reeves. The who? Knicks Heat Clippers. Yeah. Because he's not going to sign. He knows that I'll wait a year and get that bag. I'm saying, what can they give him this summer? What's the max they can give him this summer?

What, like $20 million a year? I think like $20. He worth $40. Yeah, we're playing a different game. He signed a three-year deal, $54 million. So he's basically making, well, $16 now. I don't know. they gonna get for him this year or next year

if he opts out of it he can make 42 next season no he got one more he got to play one more year now if he opts out he can make 42 a year he's opting out he be fooling not to. Yeah.

Just like old Jew. Julius Randle. He gonna opt out too. Yep. Yeah. You think Julius gonna opt out? No, he did. Oh, yeah, yeah, he did. Okay, okay. Damn. I'm saying he gonna opt out this year. I'm saying Julius and re-up. Oh, yeah, yeah, he did. Okay, okay. Damn. I'm saying he can opt out this year. I'm saying Julius and re-up.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. He can opt in at $30 million, I think. But the way he playing, he know he going to get. Nah. They got to pay him $200. For real. But why trade it to the Clippers?

What do the Clippers have that you want? The Knicks, I mean, what are trade into the Clippers what do the Clippers have that you want the Knicks I mean what are you gonna get you I mean I don't see them trading you they might

would they trade you Mikael Bridges and Josh Hart I mean they could use some perimeter defense yeah they definitely need that

yeah they got to they got to get better than that in but I mean the they could use some perimeter defense. Yeah. They definitely need that. Yeah, they got to get better on that end. But, I mean, the Knicks still playing. I don't even know why we even talking about them. I guess because Bill Simmons put them as one of the teams that's going to get all the reasons of the trade. Okay, Ocho. More reports have emerged of the Steelers trading George Pickens to Dallas. Significant locker room guys got fed up with Pickens' antics

and quickly got turned off by him for multiple reasons. Some felt it would be counterproductive to keep him around, even with his unique talent. They felt the locker room could turn toxic. Not many teams were interested in trading for Pickens, making it difficult for the Steelers to get market value. The Steelers wouldn't have traded him for anything less than a third-round pick, something that wasn't offered until after the draft.

Not many were broken up with any organization about Pickens got traded. Pickens went off on IG. They're the cheapest organization. Ain't no stacking year after year. They're going to let them ends go too as soon as it's time. Do you? Do you like pigeons

throwing more gas on the fire? Yeah, throw it. I would have just let it go. I just let it go, Ocho. Listen, they got reports coming out about him. Let him throw some gas on the fire right back. All you got to do is show up. Let's see.

Just show up. It's easy to prove everybody wrong. You're not surprised by this. You know this. You've been in the locker room. See, we're not people that didn't play the game, that was in locker rooms. We know what's being said. That's why I feel very comfortable when I'm saying certain things,

and people ask me how I know because I was in a locker room. And I know, I just, you know human behavior, Ocho. You know human behavior. Yeah. Oh, Joe, just like basketball, you know the guys like, boy, I sure wish wish they get your ass up out of here you bad you bad for morale man i mean damn yeah they ain't got nothing going on over there anyway so hey sometimes you just look oh Joe, just take the high road.

Yeah. And keep it moving. Yeah. You're right. You're right. You keep it moving. Yeah. You know,

they, somebody slapped me to another cheek. Okay, cool. Nah, look, but, but I know the type of behavior that I exhibited in the locker room.

I know if I was late for meetings, if I look late with practice, if I late for a team function, if I was late for meetings, if I was late with practice, if I was late for a team function, if I was late to the plane, you know all of that. You know that irks people. That rubs people the wrong way because they're saying, hold on.

Why is your time more important than mine? If I got to be here at 8.45, if I got to be to the team plane, if I got to be here, why can't you? If TJ Watt is thinking, and Cam Hayward is thinking, man, if I got to be to the team playing if I got to be here why can't you if TJ Watt is thinking and Cam Hayward is thinking man if I got to do all this and you mean to bro really

it's just I don't know I would just let it go I've been a lot of places, Ocho. People are going to say things and ain't no refuting that. Just let it go.

Because here's the thing. If I defend myself, they're going to say it must be true. If I don't, they're going to say it must be true. If I don't, they're going to say, why you comment? So I'm going to lose, lose either way. So I just rather lose my way. But like you said, if that's the way pickers choose to handle it, you say, I have five shots back at two.

I just choose to lose my way. Forget it. Because everybody's going to have something to say. Always. Always. Always. Ram, Jared Burr says he thinks about the Eagles loss every day.

It crosses my mind about three times a day. I think about how if I did this or I did that, we could have won. If Saquon's big run opposite of the field,

if it didn't hesitate off that bat, I could have caught it. I still, I could have been better. I could have stopped that. It upsets me every day because I could could have caught it. I still, I could have been better. I could have stopped that. It upsets me every day because I could have won that game. I mean, listen, they had opportunity.

They had opportunity to the game on offense. They had opportunity to the game. Listen, there's nothing you, Mr. First, need to be, you know, sad or mad about or upset about. You know, you on the right, the right path, brother, you are on the right path. Just continue to do what you're doing because you were phenomenal last year. He was. Keep on building that. Keep on stacking them, boy.

Keep on stacking them. Absolutely. Man, he was nice. Michael Penning Jr. started the debate off this week, said it's weird to put ketchup on eggs and grits. Hell yeah. I mean, I'm not putting up. All I want is a little butter on my grits.

Little butter, little butter, black pepper. Little butter, salt, pepper. That's it. I don't do no ketchup. I don't know. I ain't really a ketchup on eggs type of guy either. I don't even use. I eat McDonald's.

You know that, right? Yeah. The whole world know that. I have never used ketchup on eggs type of guy either. I don't even use, I eat McDonald's. You know that, right? Yes. The whole world know that. I have never used ketchup on my fries. I've never, I've never used ketchup on my fries.

When I eat my hot dogs or my glitzies, as they call them, you know, this new era, you know, new society that we have now. Joe, you eat hot dogs, Joe?

Can Ocho eat by four or five a week? No, no. Hold on. You don't eat hot dogs, Joe. Because Ocho eats about four or five a week. No, no. Only, like, you don't eat hot dogs? Nah. Y'all, y'all make us bougie, man. What you mean?

That's why I didn't do any hot dogs, Joe. Man, I ate them when I was growing up, Ocho. I don't eat no hot dogs now. I still eat them because they're, oh, but see, I'm one of the few that haven't, that only, that haven't said that. God damn.

Hey, anytime I go to sports. Hey, Joe, anytime I go to sports, NASCAR, I go to an occasional basketball game maybe once, maybe twice a year, if that. High school games, movie theater. But I'm getting two glitzies. You know, I post them, everybody... And he was coincide eating them too. Coincide, Coincide, Joe.

Hey, Joe, I don't mean can, man. And they be laughing. Hey, hey, hey, Joe. And the tip was sticking out the butt. Hey, man, listen, man. I'm not even getting

a deal today, Joe. Hey, Joe, you know, listen, I don't care. Ojo don't care. Hey, I'm going to get a hot dog. Hey, Joe, you know, listen, I don't care. Ojo don't care. Hey, I'm going to get my hot dogs, bro. Joe, I'm going to get my hot dog. At Track Neat, I don't care.

It don't matter. No, I ain't going to lie. I probably... It's probably been about 25, about 20 years, 20-something years since I had a hot dog. Damn, bro. You missing out, bro. Hey, when you... I don't even... When you said you're going to get a hot dog. Damn, bro. You missing out, bro. Hey, when you went to see sinners,

you didn't get a hot dog? Huh? When you went to go see sinners, you didn't get a hot dog? Uh-uh. You know what? I saw sinners right here on my TV. Oh.

We all not able. We all not able. Uh-uh. Nah. Even, hey, you know them breakfast sausages? You know them old big breakfast sausages they used to give you, Jodo? Who?

What you talking about? Your breakfast sausages, they give you. You know the big, the big, low? You know. The big, big, fast? And you cook them too long and they bust on you.

The red sausages. I can't believe y'all. I can't believe y'all don't eat hot dogs, man. No, I'm more of a sausage. I'm more of a patties guy than sausage links. But no, I don't put ketchup on eggs. I don't like condiments. No.

Like I said, I want grits, black pepper, a little bit of butter, a little pinch of salt. Then I do eggs. Then I do, you know, sausage patties. I'm confused. Do y'all even go to picnics? Cookouts? How you don't eat hot dogs?

That's baffling. They got other stuff to eat, Ocho? Yeah, they got hamburgers. No, no, no. When you go to the cookout, you get two hot dogs. You get baked beans and you get potato salad. And you get your check soda.

Then you ain't got to have a hot dog. You eat check soda. Oh, nah, y'all tripping, man. Y'all tripping, man. Hey, Joe. Better say Ocho get the hot dog without the bun. Nah, I can't have the hot dog without the buns. Nah, I can't have my hot dog

without the bun. I need my buns. I need my buns. I can't feed you. Nah, Ocho, you do realize like you go to

they got hamburgers, they got everything. You don't have wings. No. You ain't got to have steak. No steak? Nobody want no steak and no cookout or no picnic.

At my cookout, they did. Man, fuck it. They don't cook steak where you at? They cook at Ojo? If you cook a steak at a picnic or a cookout, I'm not coming. What are you talking about? Well, don't come. I'm not coming.

You stay your ass home. I want a normal picnic. I want that old school 80s vibe. 90s. Hot dog. Black people. I mean, the black people, the cookouts that I've been to, black people always had steak. Somebody was always on the grill. Yeah. No.

Oh, Lord, my people. This man here. Y'all too bougie for me. Y'all, hey. y'all brand new. I don't know where y'all came from. Maybe that's just in the South. Maybe in Miami, they just cook hot dogs and hamburgers. But where I'm from in the South, people going to be, look, people be, hey, they be cooking.

They have goat on the grill. They have raccoon on the grill. They have steak on the grill. Yeah. Yeah. Frog legs, squirrel, yeah. Yeahak on the grill. Yeah. Yeah. Frog legs, squirrel, yeah.

Yeah. I got you. I don't know. I don't know what you're talking about, Ocho. I got you. I got you. But I did have,

I did have hot dogs. I just didn't eat it. I'm a hamburger type of guy. Okay. Well, I'm a cheeseburger. You know, I like McDonald's,

but I'm saying in, in, in this certain scenario, picnics, cookouts, I like my two hot dogs. I like my baked beans, potato salad on the side. Yeah, I like baked beans. And a piece of Czech soda. Joe, you like Czech soda?

I don't drink sodas, bro. I don't drink no soda. Oh, this nigga here. God. Hot dogs, you don't drink soda. You got a property. I mean, what else, Joe? Ah, man. here. God. I know I was here to drink soda. You got a property. I mean, what else, Joe? Ah, man.

What do you know? What do you know, Joe? I don't know, Joe. Joe, Joe, you know what, Joe? You know what, basically, Joe, you part of the royal family now, man, at this point. Hey, listen, Father,

hey, hold on. I bet you got guards sitting outside your house too, huh? All right, come on, relax. Come on, what's going on? What's going on? What's going on with you? Joe, what's up? You know what I mean?

Yeah. Some good nutrients for the body, man. I got to keep this thing running right. Oh, you say you drink tea, Joe? Yeah, I drink tea. Well, you from the side, you've got to drink sweet tea. No, I ain't talking about none of that. I'm talking about some tea that I make.

I ain't talking about none of that sweet, sugary tea. I ain't talking about none of that. Oh, yeah. See, I don't drink sweet tea either. Because I grew up, you know, the grown folks drank tea. Yeah. So I just grew up not having it, so it don't bother me not to have it now.

Oh, yeah. Nah, nah. Only grown folks like my grandma, my grandfather, my uncles and aunts could drink the tea. Kids didn't drink tea back then unless you snuck it. So it wasn't so it was, you know, I can't, I don't know if I, I mean, you know the sweet tea I had in the can? That

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All right, we're going to get you out of here on this one. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Big Mike said, Ocho was right about my Knicks. Knicks and six. Nah, Knicks in five. Tay, NBA rig. Mavs had 1.8% chance to win the lottery.

That was the compensation for lucre trade for viewership. Scratch our back. We'll scratch yours. Told you. Jenny Averill, MJ always said he idolized only one man, Tiger. Well, I mean, that's MJ. MJ is a golfer. He loves golf and he loves smoking cigars. And he's going to be on the course with playing golf and smoking cigars.

And like I said, I've never met Tiger. But MJ is special. Corey Price said said new name for Ocho Glizzo Ocho that's fine hey listen you can call me

Ocho Glizzo Glizzy Monster Glizzy Gobbler I mean my hot dogs in public courtside wherever I'm at I don't care

I don't care man Oreo Hoodlum said bro don't sleep on so called grilled glizzies ain't nobody cooking no steak ain't no cookout

just ribs chicken hamburgers and glizzies there we go there we go there we go thank you

Joe man they cook ribs man they cook hamburgers they cook yes chicken at the Lord have mercy

yeah yeah y'all gonna be having one of those $5 parties He has chicken. Lord, have mercy. Yeah. Yeah. Y'all must be having one of those $5 parties. Nah, man. Listen, you haven't been to a real... Listen, your... Let me ask you a question. Do y'all have Solo Cup or Styrofoam Cups?

Because that's going to tell me the type of party that I'm meeting. If you got Styrofoam, I'm out. The grown folk got the red Solo Cups. We got the Czech sodas. We got the Czech sodas. I prefer peach Czech sodas. My kids love grape Czech sodas. Okay? The Spades game going on over the corner.

The Domino game going over in the corner. I got the fellas out the hood. They playing Get Like Me with the quarters. And, you know, the dope boys over there playing CeeLo. That's our picnic and our cookout. I don't know what y'all got going on ribs jake can we get some ribs hot no rib i'm eating ribs hamburgers steak maybe a steak but ribs and uh chicken hamburgers that's it baked Baked beans. I'm going to get baked beans.

Then I need to know who cooked the potato salad. Yeah. I ain't going to lie. I want to make a little fish on there too. We can't get no fish on there. Yeah, you know they're going to fry some fish now. But you ain't going to get nothing but some white as a croaker. You ain't finna get no salmon. You ain't finna get no salmon.

You ain't finna get no grouper. You not finna get no white fish. You getting whitey or croaker. Or catfish. Well, you want catfish, yo? Why we can't put no salmon on the grill? Oh, hell no. Salmon?

Yeah. Cookout? Yeah. Man, my homeboys turned that whole grill over You talking about some salmon Man Hey where y'all coming to the A man Nah see Joe

Joe grew up with a silver spoon man Nah Joe Joe didn't have no They ain't eat no salmon Listen first of all I'm from rural South Georgia You ain't eat no salmon on no grill when you growing up No I did not, I did not.

No, I did not. My grandpa did not have that. That boy had that big smoker out there, and that time of that thing was cooking. You hear me? It wasn't no cat. You got catfish, you got croaker, or you got whitey. That's it. That's the only kind of fish you got because it was cheap.

Yeah. Man, you know what my salmon cost? You want to get me my two fillets? Man, you better get you my... You better... You better get you something. You can spend $10

to get you my 30 pieces. Hey, listen, listen, listen. I didn't say that before you here, buddy. I'm just saying. It's something they... Oh, okay, okay, okay. You got a special order.

Okay, okay. I don't know, Joe. Now these days, people be tripping. Who that for? okay okay i don't know joe now these days people be tripping like who that fuck hey man let me ask you joe listen we're gonna have a variety but i might sneak a little something on that grid now just for me okay oh joe now yeah you know you get back the ribs some real tips yeah i ain't know i ain't know, you get back the ribs, some rib tips. I ain't know what you call it.

You know what I'm not? I'm not a hot link guy. You like hot links, Joe? I ain't no hot link guy. You like hot links, don't you? Hey, listen, the closest thing I get to hot links, I like hot sausages. Hot sausages off the ice cream truck. I'm not sure if you know about Pippa X.

Joe, you know about Pippa X? Yeah. Listen, I don't know what you're talking about. You get in the distance. You go outside and you ask your grandma for a dollar, maybe two dollars. If you're feeling nice,

I get two Krispy Kreme donuts. I get a Jungle Juice. Y'all know what Jungle Juice is? I know Jungle Juice. Yeah. I get my Jungle Juice. It's your Haitian treat. Yeah.

What you know about that? I know about that 25-gallon Jungle Juice, too. Hey, I get two hot sauces. I get two pickled eggs and two Krispy Kreme donuts with my jungle juice. I'll never forget. That used to be my order, boy. Yeah, them pickled eggs.

No, I miss being a kid, boy. You know what? I think Costco or Sam's Club still got them big jars of them pickled pig feet. I need to go give them that wax paper. See, y'all know about that wax paper go to the corner store? Get them tongs

to get that pig feet up out of there, Joe. Uh-uh. Me and my grandma, my grandma, pig feet. Look, I done grew up. I'm like, man, I can't believe I was

sitting there eating them pig feet with girls. Pig feet. Yeah. Joe, I ate it. Hey, Ocho, Joe, I ate the knuckle off them pig feet.

I'm talking about you. Killed them, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho, when ate a knuckle off them peas. I'm talking about you. Killed them, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho, when I got old, I started to realize what my grandma and grandpa had whipping up and down. I'm like, man, I can't believe I was sitting there eating. Yeah. Throw it up. At that point, you might as well just keep eating it, even though you know what it is now.

No, my body can't. Look, when my grandma ate, she going to cook what she going to cook. It ain't no, well, what you want, baby? What? No. They cooking some other fried pork chop, or they cooking stewed chicken, or some other fried chicken, or they cooking this, or they that. And you eat that.

And you ate it all until it was gone. Ain't nothing else getting cooked until all of what they cooked the day before was gone. Hey, Uncle Ocho. So, my family eat chitlins, bro. I'm telling my life. You don't eat chitlins? Because I was a kid. I couldn't eat them. I can't get them. No. I can't get that smell, Ocho. I'm telling

my life. You go to Grandma's house, the whole house smells like that stuff. One thing, I ain't even have to be in your household, Joe. I know your grandma. If your grandma or your grandfather cooked them, I know they know how to clean them right. So the fact that they know how to clean them right, and once you can smell that aroma ain't no way oh oh yeah you squeeze and you get all that out and then you pull them inside out oh yeah i'm i'm

eating all that but i'm good all that joe joe you don't eat no i don't want no chillings i don't want no hog maw i don't want no living in life i'm done with the pig ear sandwiches i'm done with the hog head cheese. I'm done. I tell you what I will do. Now, you put some pigtails on some collard greens. Yeah. A big, oh, oh, oh, oh, big, you know, big pat.

A pigtail on a small ball of collard greens. Y'all picking choose what y'all want to eat. And you know what? You know, this ain't the time right now. This ain't the time for that right now. But we'll come back to that. Yeah. Yeah.

We will circle back on this. I know you get that. We'll circle back on it. I got you. Just bear with me. Bear with me. Hey, Chad, bear with me.

Bear with me, Chad. Bear with me. I'll be back soon. Jamal, the Singer, 5200 ups versus what, Ocho?

One for each damn dollar you owe, who wins? Ocho, what you going to pay me my money, Ocho? Huh? Man, just keep the real estate, man. You don't plan on playing here, man. Just keep the real estate. I told him I'm keep the real I'm a I told him I'm a I'm a paying him at a live show

in Baltimore how many times you heard that we ain't even been to the show yet I was supposed to get my money at the Super Bowl that's what I'm saying

at the Super Bowl I'ma stay out of there the Super Bowl the draft damn draft but this draft is passed yeah yeah the draft just passed yeah

the draft just passed I ain't had no cash on me I figured as much oh what I got you I got you in June

on Baltimore I got you oh so me you made it a little lightweight we bet a little hundred dollars on uh

damn what was it we bet a little hundred dollars I know but you lost those so you gonna pay me or not what we bet on you you were just about to mention it

what you don't even know you bet on the Celtics and Knicks series nah that wasn't it yeah it was so you wanna you wanna pay my hundred dollars

now you wanna wait till the series over which one I gotta look at my win three games in a row it's in my phone. I got to see what it is after I wrote it down. Okay.

Make it light on yourself. Now I'm going to tell you like I'm going to tell Jordan in person. Make it light on yourself. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said, hey fam, I saw Joe. I like you even more now. First, because you're a counselor like, uh, and second, because you're a cowboy fan. Much love, y'all.

Thanks, Doc. Ultra, what are you? What's your Zodiac sign? Oh, I'm money sign. What is his birthday? January 9th, 1968. What it is?

A Aquarius? A Sagittarius what that is January what January 1968 man I'm also Capricorn what is that

Capricorn yeah oh you talking about like that that compatibility shit I don't know about that stuff Zodiac

yeah I don't know about that stuff man I don't know about that Capricorn what Capricorn what's, what's Capricorn? Hey, what's symbolic for the Capricorn? Well, y'all sneaky as hell. And full of caca.

Who? It's a goat. Capricorn is a goat. Oh, so who? A goat. Stubborn, bullheaded. Rightfully so. Nah, that ain't it.

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