Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: NFL shows out for HBCU, LT calls out Micah Parsons, Kupp in Washington?

Episode Date: February 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week. Topics include all 32 NFL teams attending the HBCU combine. Later, the legendary Lawrence Taylor says he wants Dallas Cowboys LB Micah Parsons to STOP podcasting and put his focus on football, Cooper Kupp could find a potential landing spot in Washington and much more!04:00 - Micah Parsons responds to comments about his podcast09:00 - All 32 teams attended the HBCU combine12:30 - LT says “less podcasts, more practice” for Micah Parsons26:11 - Cowboys overhaul coaching staff32:49 - AJ Brown purchases mannequin for his unwashed Super Bowl jersey37:13 - 2024 Eagles Super Bowl team on top of CBS all-time Super Bowl champ rankings42:45 - Commanders trying to trade for Cooper Kupp?49:20 - Lamar Jackson gets a new hairstyle58:35 - Travis Hunter to attend NFL Combine as a WR and DB(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Because hella people in the NBA and NFL have podcasts and no one has a problem. All right, look it, Ocho. I'll beat you the F up if you stop your podcast. You have a voice and a platform. Use it or deal with the consequences from me. Listen, I like it.

I like the podcast. I like the era that we're in. Obviously, the national media was in control of the narrative and the perception of athletes. I like the fact that athletes now have a voice. They cut the middleman out. They cut the middleman.

And I like the fact that I don't think it gets in the way. I don't think it's a distraction because when it's time to play the game of football and that whistle blows, everything on the outside of that, it doesn't matter. You don't see it.

We don't see it. I don't know how other people operate where they allow things on the outside to affect them when it's time to play football. That's just not me. And I look at Micah Parsons as one of those type of individuals who plays at the highest level

and is really good in what I call a press situation wearing that star on his helmet and he always showed up to the occasion. Now at times he might say things

he shouldn't say because it puts pressure on everybody else around him where they have to show up to the party for some of the things he says. But other than that,

man, talk your talk. People want to hear about it. You know, everybody else is hush-hush. Everybody else quiet. You know, you have a game, you have a good game, you have a bad People want to hear about it. You know, everybody else is hush-hush. Everybody else quiet. You know, you have a game. You have a good game. You have a bad game.

He doesn't hide. No. He talk when he win. He talk when they lose. I think more fans should embrace that. I agree with JoJo. I just think the thing is, like, bro,

the only problem I got with Micah is that he talks so positive about everybody else's players, but he doesn't talk positive about his own quarterback. He's hyping Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow should have been the MVP. Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow.

He never gets... He was basing it off statistics. All I know is that when he says top 10 quarterbacks, his quarterback wasn't one of them. So let me ask you a question. If they ask Ocho Cinco, a top 10 quarterback, even if Carson isn't one of them, you leaving him out?

No, you're not. No, no. He's going to be in every game. Thank you. That's all I'm saying. And then, obviously, I don't think Michael was probably thinking about it like that. Honestly, when the question was asked, he was just rambling off

what he thought, who he felt his top 10 were, and not putting Dak in it. Probably, it should have dawned on him. We talk about a defensive player. I'm an offensive player, so the first thing I'm going to name is obviously my quarterback who's responsible for my success. I agree. Now, if it was CeeDee Lamb who was asked that same question,

guess who would be in that top ten? And probably going to be the first quarterback. Ask me who the best safety was. Steve Atwater. Yeah. I'm taking my guys. They're like, well, yeah. Hey, they're great guys. But I'm saying, I won championship. Those guys didn't win me no championship.

You're not going to win no championship with Joe Burrow unless you get traded there. It's going to be that. I'm always going to put my guy up. I'm always going to praise my dog. I don't give a damn if he can't do nothing but sit on the porch. That's my dog, though. I don't care if your dog can dial the phone. That ain't got nothing to do with me.

That's not my dog. My dog lazy, but that's mine. i'm always gonna hype up i'm gonna hype up my guy but that's look he has a way of doing thing i think the thing is he's gonna learn this trial and error when you talk as much as we talk and i tell people this all the time when you talk for a living you're going to make some mistakes you're gonna say because sometimes you're talking faster than your brain is processing it. So you're going to, hey, sometimes you're going to open your mouth and a toe going to pop out because you got your foot in your mouth. It happens, Ocho. Think about how much I talk for it.

Nightcap. I got two shows of ESPN. I got five shows of nightcap. I got Club Shay Shay.cap. I got a Club Shay Shay. Yeah. It's gonna happen. You know, people ask Mel the Topsy Man, how you don't lose your voice? Because when I go home, I don't

talk. And this is the one thing about Michael Parsons having a podcast, too, is I know what I get on the field from him on Sundays. Quarter one, quarter two, quarter three, quarter four. I know what I get on the field from him on Sundays. Quarter one, quarter two, quarter three, quarter four. I know what I get.

Ain't no question about it. I can close my eyes and I can tell you what he's going to do. It don't matter who he's playing. So he gets a little leeway in that manner. Now, everybody else, if you ain't out there on the goddamn field and you ain't doing nothing, there's no reason for you to be talking after the game or having a podcast in the first place because you ain't out there on the goddamn field and you ain't doing nothing, there's no reason for you to be talking at the game or having a podcast in the first place

because you ain't doing your job on Sunday. What is there for you to talk about? All 32 teams attended the HBCU Combine. We can't make an NFL team draft HBCU players or pick them, but you can show what their abilities are. It's four or five of these guys, to me, that can be in this league. I agree. No, we're not saying, look, but if you don't see them,

obviously Ochoa scouts had to come see what Savannah State had to offer. I mean, they came and they tested my junior year. They came and looked. We had a couple of guys, like we had a guy named Bobby Curtis, and he was outstanding. And so, you know, they would come down, and obviously when you hear about, hey, man, this guy might go to the NFL, some scouts going to be there. We played Central Florida, and we played teams like that,

played Georgia Southern. Okay, scouts going to be there. Oh, I'm going to shine. You might come there looking for somebody, but I guarantee you when you leave, you're going to ask, who that number two? Hey, Bill, going to shine. You might come there looking for somebody, but I guarantee you when you leave, you're going to ask, who that number two? Hey, Bill, that number two. She, hey, he a sophomore.

Okay. Uh-huh. And that's one thing I always say, the eye and the sky don't lie. A lot of players, they always focus on going to the right school, you know, going to the PWIs. Listen, it don't matter where you go. Because when the scouts turn on the film, all you got to do

is pop out of the A. If you really who you think you are, it don't matter where you go. It's what you do when you get there. They will find you. You can play football with the Sisters of the North in Alaska.

When they turn the film on and they see that certain number that's always active and popping out on film, it's easy to stand out. If everybody wearing white and there's one person in black, you're going to be able to notice it right away. When you turn on the film, they will notice you. It doesn't matter. Hey, I tell you what, if you don't know what my number is, go watch the battle state. I guarantee you,

at the end of the game, you're like, man, who is that number two? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And matter of fact, and if you do go to smaller schools

and you don't pop out on film there, then what you going to do when you're at a bigger school? Come on now. If you're really who you think you are. Man, don't get me started. I'm not here to preach. It ain't something. But that's how I was.

I was always, I always wanted to show up, Ocho, because I remember we had. Yeah. Ocho, we used to have, hold on, what do, because I remember we had... Yeah. Ocho, we used to have... Hold on, what do they call them? Jamboree. You know the Jamboree? Did y'all have Jamborees? We had Jamboree in high school at Mylander Stadium, at Mylander.

So you play one team for a half, and then you play another team for a half, and then that team would play another team for a half. So we had those. And so we had a spring, my senior my junior year, we had a spring game and we had this player and coach was like, Coach Hall was going to put us all on the team together and stack the team

to make sure. I said, nah, I want to be on the other team. Because I knew all the scouts. Lamson, Georgia, South Carolina, all the scouts were going to be there. Hey, Graveyard had to show up, Coach Hall. Nothing. No, sir. No, sir. Carolina all those guys were going to be there hey graveyard had to show up Ocho nothing no sir no sir

no sir hey Odey graveyard with everybody I'm telling you when I left the field there were bodies everywhere graveyard with him. Oh, Joe, I'm telling you, when I left the field, there were bodies everywhere. That's how the graveyard was here.

Those good old days. I miss those. The legendary LT, the original LT. Now, we got a little LT, LaDania, my dog, wants Michael Parsons to stop podcasting and put his focus on football. He's a great player, but guys, let's do more. Let's play more football.

Let's podcast. Micah in particular, he'll have a movie, an action movie. The brother got it, but don't forget where you are at. Listen, I like the LT, and anything coming from one of the greatest, if not the greatest of all time, especially on the defensive end, and he's talking about one of the greats right now, I agree, but I kind of disagree, especially with the times that we're in right now. Michael Parsons, he plays really well.

He plays at a very high level, along with this podcast. The podcast doesn't take anything away from him on the action football field between the lines. When the whistle blows, you know what you're getting with 11. You know what you're getting from Uno Uno. Every time. Now, when you look at them defensively, you'll say, well, they got some weak spots. Well, Micah only played in one spot. He can't be everywhere.

Sometimes he stretches out sometimes. Sometimes they go down into three. Sometimes they got him sitting down in the box at a linebacker position moving around, trying to find ways because he's good in space. Stop lying.

Oh, we're going to have a Ravens defense. We're going to have a Seahawks defense. But he's supposed to say that, huh? No, you don't. You ain't got to say nothing. Keep your mouth shut, Ocho. No, you don't. You've got to stop telling these guys they've got to say something. I didn't say they did, but you have to believe

in your team and who you're playing for. Keep it to yourself. Okay, he said what he said. Okay, we're going to win. When he don't win, how does that make him look, Ocho? It make him look crazy, but you know, can I say something real quick? Yes!

He say something crazy all the time, right? Michael Parsons been talking crazy all season. You know, this season. Mm-hmm. When the Cowboys do play, you know who do show up? Who show up in the passing game. What about when they get the ball run down their throat? Hey, you know they run away from you, huh?

They ran away from LT. What'd he do? They ran away from Reggie. Yeah, you're right. Listen, I mean, LT has to understand we're in a different time. We're in a different era. Some guys,

they like to talk about the game of football after it's being played. They focus on it when they're at it but in their off time they have podcasts that's just where we are right now are things going to change if he stops doing his podcast and all of a sudden he's going to

no, Michael Parsons is the player that he is he's one of the great ones in the NFL right now at what he does and it just it is what it is I like LT's opinion though. Paso Chan got a podcast? That's not him.

That's not him. He did what? Got a podcast? That's not him. Defensive player of the year. That's not him. You're calling names that are, let me finish. You're calling names that are good at what they do at their specific positions,

but that's not what they want to do. Michael Parsons wants to have a podcast because he likes to talk. Some guys want to win, and some guys want to be famous and promote themselves. Now, which one do you want to be? Because, see, the quickest way to build a brand is to win. Michael Jordan brand, what is it? Magic Johnson brand, what is it? Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes,

Joe Montana, what were their brands based on, Ocho? LeBron James, Steph Curry. Hey, you heard everybody use your name? You heard everybody use your name, right?

They were ball dominant and were in control of those wins and losses. You talk about a defensive player, you talk about a defensive end that can change the trajectory of a game, but has nothing to do with wins and losses. Oh, he definitely does. So the LT didn't impact the game? Come on now, we know that. Okay, what about Ray Lewis? Did't impact the game? Come on, man. We know that. Okay, what about Ray Lewis?

Did he impact the game? Of course. What about Prime? Okay, what about Prime? How was Prime bringing? Why did you say that? Yeah. He didn't impact the game, though, because you know.

So Michael Parsons don't impact the game? I'm just asking you. Oh, no. There have been a lot of guys that impact the game though because you know Michael Parsons don't impact the game I'm just asking you there have been a lot of guys that impact the game you do realize we ain't talking about no slouching now no no there have been a lot of guys that impact the game there have been guys that impact the game less but one more

and got a bigger plan this is the team game. I just want to remember that now. The only game that gives them a team. You mentioned prime. Do you see what team prime was playing for? Do you see what else was around him while he was doing what he was doing? Guess what?

They went and got prime. San Francisco said, you know what? We can't beat Dallas. We got to go get prime. Then we got prime. san francisco said you know what we can't beat dallas we gotta go get prime then we got prime what do the cowboys do go get him back yeah it ain't that complicated though joe i'm just saying look i'm with you when you're right i'm with you i'm with you when you're right but also we're in a different time right now we We are. We are. I think the thing is, is that, look, Michael wants to have a career after football. And it seems to be he wants it to be on the media side. No problem whatsoever.

And I think what he's doing, he's starting out. Because I had a radio show when I was in Denver. Right. I think I started in, like, 96. My guy Don Martin, I know you're watching the show. He was at iHeartRadio for a number of years. I don't know if Don's still there, but he was my producer. So Don and I, we go way back.

And so I kind of, like, I really didn't know what I was going to do, but I'm like, hey, they're like, would you like to do a radio show? I was like, yeah, how much y'all paying? Wasn't paying a whole lot of show, but it gave me an opportunity to talk. When they asked me to come in to do the local news, I do that. You know, hey.

And so I knew I could do something in the media. I was always very candid, very straightforward. But I don't think there was ever a doubt that anybody that had ever been with me, ask my teammates. Football was at the forefront. Right. And anything that interfered with that wasn't going to happen.

So my radio show was, I would tape it after Friday's practice, go in there, hit that thing for about 25 minutes. Right. I'm done. Done, right. I'm done. That's it for me. It had been very interesting, Ocho.

And people, I've gotten asked this question. If you were playing it today, would you have a podcast? I wouldn't. Mm-hmm. I'm too, I can't. I have a singular focus. I've only been good at a handful of things. Right.

But never simultaneously. That's why I'm not married. Either I was good at football and a terrible boyfriend. Either I was a great boyfriend or I was terrible at football. So guess which one I had to go. Hey, boy, what are you talking now? You hear me?

I'm just being honest, Ocho. I'm just honest. So I have a singular focus. If you notice when I'm good at something, I'm great at it because I'm all in. Ain't no, ain't no, ain't no Hansel and Gretel. I don't save no breadcrumb for the trip home.

Mocho, I'm lost. Right. I'm lost. Don't you? I ain't got no navigation on how to get back. All I know is, is one straight ahead.

I'm going, we going that way. I'm going to get people to be with me that believe in the vision and we're going to go get it done. Yes, sir. But that's just me. Like I said, I think, see, the biggest mistake that we make

is that we try to see ourselves in other people. Right. That's my biggest mistake. That's my biggest mistake. It is. And I'm going, I got to talk. Cause I think I can say, I, Ocho, honestly, I think I can save everybody.

And, you know, hey, hey man, can you do it? Sure, no problem. Call Shelly. Hey man, we got to, call Shelly. And, you know, if 25 here is 50,000 25 here it's 50,000 there it's 100,000 here and and

and my my Marvin Marvin Demoff who's my agent and he's been my right hand man for 29 years yes sir

he said you gotta stop this yeah he said he said I understand he said I understand you better than most right i'm an 83 i think he's a 83 84 year old jewish guy he said but i i know you and um he said but you got to stop this shenna he said you can't save everybody he said you got too big you said you got too big of a heart yeah same

I learned that quick and most of the time you know what I learned quick no matter how much you do sometimes they forget about it first time you say no hey man I just they forget about it they forget about it all the time you say yes

and that's mine always trying to say it. I'm feeling like I can come in and put my cape on. Oh, I got you. Don't worry about it. I got you. And every time on the back end, you end up regretting it.

Every time. I... I don't regret it. I mean, a lot of times I give, I give the charities, but a lot of times I give, I give, but like I said, I give, I give with, I don't have any expectations. Right. Right. Right. Right. Nothing. Absolutely nothing. And, um, Shelly called me the other day and said,

I said, what's up? Well, you need to stop giving away so much money. I said, Shelly, you called out of the blue with that? She's like, yeah. I said, okay. And then I don't know if she talked to Marvin or Marvin called her but he had a conversation with me today

so I'm done I can't help everybody Ocho I'm done trying I'm done I'm done yeah because I don't have federal government capabilities I can't just print

money to stimulate the economy I gotta make my money literally make my money old fashioned I can't go print it I'm good I'm done so don't ask the answer is no.

Moving forward, what's the date? It's the 20th. Okay, the date is 19th, February 19th? No, it's the 20th. Okay, it's the 20th where you are? Yeah. So if you're in the Eastern time zone, no. If you're in the Western, if you're in the Pacific time zone, in an hour and 40 minutes, the answer will be no.

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The same thing I want to see, the same thing I want from every player on offense, and that is to create violence in the game. Be same thing I want to see the same thing I want from every player on offense and that is to create violence in the game. Be aggressive. Run. Hit. I think every decision that we make schematically needs to lean into that direction. So if there's a gray area what is going to allow these guys to play more free and run and hit

and be violent? Mocho, do you think the Cowboys will be able to create a violent offense next year? I mean, you know, violence always starts at the forefront, right up front. It starts in the trenches. That's where the violence needs to come from.

That's where the violence needs to come from. It starts with the front five. They got to set the tone. That's where it comes from. Everything else is built off what that offensive line does. That's where it comes from. Everything else is built off what that offensive line does. So that's where it comes in at. So how is the offensive line going to be?

Because everything he just reiterated, everything he just said, is not going to be possible unless that offensive line is exactly like, I'm just going to throw it out there, like the Eagles. Like the Ravens.

You're right. That's it. Everything you want to do, whatever you set your eyes to, whatever you come into the offseason or into the season saying you want to do offensively, hit all sorts of offensive lines. If you ain't got that, if they ain't got that mentality, it ain't happening. Front to back, Ocho. You build front to back.

O-line, back. D-line, back. Yeah. You say that, but that's a mentality. I mean, I take my hat off to teams like the Eagles, who I don't know how much they hit, but they've taken

a lot of the physicality out of it. You don't practice like that. We used to practice. We had 907. Practice. We're putting pads on people. Yeah, yeah. It's hard to you go out there and you do a walkthrough

and all of a sudden, hey, turn it up. Turn what up? But it was a mindset. Oh, you about to move a man against his will. Think about that, Chad. Think about when you say, you say,

hey, get off my porch. I ain't going nowhere. The hell you say? You finna leave here? And you do that over and over, Ojo. You gotta make them quit. Somebody quit today. They ain't quit. By the time you get to the fourth quarter, they gonna quit. Somebody quit today. And that's what, that's exactly. They ain't quitting. By the time you get to the fourth quarter,

they going to quit. They going to fold. I ain't, I ain't quitting. Yeah, for sure. I got to make you turn it down. Cause see,

I know how you run. Okay. Cause back, you know, back when we played O Ocho we roll your ass up and we were cutting and I know you're getting up quick in the first quarter yeah oh they get up quick oh they get up hey hey I'm still making the play that's okay okay chop chop second hey the second quarter Ocho hey I'm still here sharp yeah third quarter, stay off my knees. Fourth quarter, he ain't nowhere to be seen.

But it's easy to talk about something, Ocho. It's a lot more difficult to do it. Yeah, the coach can talk all he wants to. The coach can talk, he can to. The coach can talk, he can talk until he turns blue in the face. But unless you have the personnel and the players that have the mentality that you regurgitate

or the mentality that you talk about, man, you ain't talking about nothing. You ain't talking about nothing. What you have is what you have right now. You can say whatever you want. You you have is what you have right now. You can say whatever you want. You know your team.

You know your personnel. So you got to be careful what you say and what you ask for. Because if they're not built like that, all of a sudden, just because you have an offseason, don't mean they're coming back completely different next year. You are who you are. No. Yeah, Zach Martin has been in wars, and he's been in one of the premier guards he's one of the

best guards that ever played this game but he's had a lot of he got a lot of miles on that body ocho yeah he's not the same guy yeah um you know tyron smith had a lot of miles on his body they let him go uh uh still they they they started to suffer when travis fred Travis Frederick had to retire prematurely. And they got guys now, they're not built like that. They're not built like that. They can't run the football. See, you know how you know you're violent when you can run the football. Yeah.

That's where violence come in at. Absolutely. Look at teams that can run the football. They're a violent group. You notice when I talk about offensive lines, the first thing I said was the Eagles, and I said Ravens. Yeah. Because they're going to move everybody against their winner when they play them. Detroit.

And not changing nothing regards to who they're playing. Detroit is another one. Oh, yeah. Oh, I forgot Panay Sulin and boys. They don't play. No. So, I'm anxious to see what they do. I'm going to see if they're going to be able to run the football.

Doudel, Rico Doudel, is a free agent. We'll see what they're going to do with the running back position. Right. Well, you know, Zeke won't be back because they already let Zeke go so now do they go into the draft do they get Jenty I think they picked 12, 13

will Jenty be available that'd be a good one what running back is going to be available Aaron Jones with Minnesota they pushed his date back. Okay? Could he become available? It seems like they want to get something long-term done,

get him a couple of years. So it's going to be very, very interesting to see what the Cowboys do at running back position if free agency will probably kind of give you an indication of kind of direction that they're going to go with in the draft. A.J. Brown brought a life-size mannequin to put his unwashed Super Bowl jersey on display in their home.

A.J.'s longtime girlfriend posted a picture on Instagram. That's live. Your boyfriend buys a 6'2 mannequin to put his Game 1 Super Bowl uniform on. He, indeed, did not wash it. Nope, you can't wash it. Nope, don't do that. That's live, man. That's dope.

That has to be one of the greatest feelings. And obviously coming from someone who never won a Super Bowl, played in one, but never won one, that's something I would do. That's something I would do. And you see for that moment and to be able to have it in your house, man,

hanging up like that on the mannequin, full display, mouthpiece and all. You don't see the mouthpiece. He got the mouthpiece on the helmet and everything. Oh, yeah. That's live, man. That's live. I wouldn't have it because I wouldn't have the mouthpiece. Huh?

Where your Super Bowl stuff at? On the wall. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. On the wall. That's dope. I don't know somebody, because you know they make you two jerseys. In Baltimore, they gave me both of my jerseys.

Somebody got, somebody, got my 32, got my 33 extra jersey. Right. Hold on, let me use the bathroom real quick. I done drank some milk. But I like that. Got the shoes and everything on the mannequin. Damn, AJ.

I don't know where the pants are. I ain't finna lie and tell you about the pants. I know I got the jersey. I gave the Super Bowl helmet. I think Daryl Green got my Super Bowl helmet because I traded with him I'm almost certain Darryl Green got my Super Bowl helmet

I got my Super Bowl Ravens helmet it's funny that I traded I remember going to the Super Bowl I went to the Pro Bowl I traded Pro Bowl helmets when I was with Denver I traded Pro Bowl helmets with Jonathan Ogden. I got that original.

I don't know, Chad, who are Ravens fans, but it was like a wing or something. But it was kind of ugly. But J.O., I traded with J.O. He and I had the same agent. He was with Marvin Demoff as well.

But yeah, I still got, obviously, my jerseys are hanging up. I got one helmet I know for sure. I don't know about the pants. I don't know where the pants are held. Nobody, I mean,

the thing was, the thing was the jersey. Nobody even thought, a jersey and a helmet. Wasn't nobody thinking about no pants. Yeah. Well, what about your cleats? Because you know, sometimes your cleats need a special pair. You know, especially now.

Somebody got them. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Because when I played like my last couple of years Nike made me patent leather I remember the time you know you had to really be somebody to get a cleat

not everybody got a cleat hey who wore the greatest heat today I'm like dude on special teams he been tell me he got shorts how you run down on special team and you got patent leather Jordans, Ocho? You look good.

No. You're on a special team. Get some three quarters and go out there and make a tackle. You don't need no low top patent leather. I would play in the shoe and then I would practice in it and I end up giving to a teammate.

Where your Super Bowl jersey at? At my grandma's house. At my grandma's house. My little brother, my little brother, he got most of my memorabilia. A very good friend of mine in Cincinnati,

when I left Cincinnati, he has most of my memorabilia. A very good friend of mine in Cincinnati, when I left Cincinnati, he has most of my memorabilia. It's just, I don't know what's wrong with me. Once I stopped playing the game of football, I didn't really care about memorabilia. I don't really have anything. I don't have anything. Friends of mine kind of keep everything,

and once I removed myself from the game and wasn't playing anymore, and I was at peace, I let everything disperse to those that know me. CBS ranks every Super Bowl champ since 2000. The 2024 Eagles are the best Super Bowl team since 2000. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, since 2000. Okay, here. Oh, since 2000.

Okay, here I am. Since 2000. Yeah, okay. The 24 Eagles are one. The 2019 Chiefs are two. The 16 Patriots are three. The 2013 Seahawks are four. The 2020 Bucks are five.

The 06 Colts, 6, 04 Patriots, 08 Steelers, 09 Saints, 2010 Packers, 17 Eagles, 14 Patriots, 2012 Ravens. I guarantee you,

if they let us play by the rules that they played by, not one of those offense scored on that Ravens defense. I guarantee you won't let them get more than 20 points. I could have told you that. Let me take that I guarantee you won't get more than 20 points. I could have told you that. Let me take that back. They won't get more than 14 points. Listen, I could have told you that. How many yards Saquon had?

How many yards Saquon had? 57? He didn't get over. He had 37 against that defense. Hey. He had 57. He had 37. Hey, it was different back then man

and that's no disrespect to the players I don't think they understand I don't think they understand what what at great at great at great as Saquon is

that 2000 Ravens defense man come on man they going The greatest Saquon is that Baltimore, that 2000 Ravens defense. Man, come on, man. They going sideline and sideline right along with you. You're not going downhill. You're not running toss. You're not running stretch. You ain't moving nobody off the... Take that Eagles off the line against y'all

D-line back then. That 2000 Raven D-line. You're not running because you got Sam and Goose. Man, please. And Ray running free. Because of Sam and Goose. Ray's hunting. Yeah, I said, yeah.

Yeah, you got 340, you got 350. And Ray Free. That would have been ugly. That would have been ugly. Listen, just to be able to talk about it is exciting. Yeah. It's kind of like Barry.

You had to see Barry in person to appreciate him. To understand and appreciate him, yeah. To see Jerry. I was in the league when him. To understand and appreciate him, yeah. To see Jerry. I was in the league when Jerry said he got the triple crown in 90. So, like, those great players, you had to see them. To see Derrick Thomas, to see Bruce Smith, to see Reggie White, to see those, to see Prime. I'm talking about a prime, Prime.

Up close. To see a... Why do you think I always speak so highly? Why do you think I always speak so highly of Randy? Why do I always speak so highly of T.O.? Why do I always speak so highly of A-Fold? I hear from Dade County, Liberty City, Antonio. Being able to see them dudes up close,

and I've been watching the game of football for a very, very long time, for a very, very long time for a very very long time it's different when you look at stats and numbers the finished product when you actually get the opportunity to see how the product was made when you saw the product in the

lab when you saw the product up close on grass and understanding looking at Randy Moss and the DB is playing 10 yards off and Moss don't even close the cushion. He throw his hand up and still...

Come on, man! What? What are we talking about? Unbelievable. Yeah, but those rules, look, you can't play like that anymore cause you look those guys go back and look at that 2000 and see how many quarterbacks they knocked out

I mean I saw a clip the other day of some of Ray Lewis's hits some of Shug's hits y'all gotta go go back and watch 2000 and watch that defense. It was different, man. Remember, in 16 games, they gave up 165 points.

And they gave up 35 in one game. They gave up 16 total points in the postseason in four games that's crazy I don't think people understand how good they were listen from top to bottom man there was no oh yeah we had C-Mac

and Heavy Dwayne Starks we had Ken Herring and we had Woody Rod Woodson at safety, and our nickel was Corey Harris, and our dime was Bailey and Trap.

Corey Harris, goddamn Corey Harris, man. I wonder where Corey at, man. Hopefully he ain't man. I ain't gonna put the man business out there but uh he was he was a wild dude man i was leaving it there because you know me cory woody and uh ray yeah that was that was that was the group so the

commander is potentially interested in trading for Cooper Cup. Jeremy Fowler reports, talking to people around the league, he will have a market because he's so quarterback friendly. Certainly Washington is looking for a complimentary number two receiver. Washington is looking to make big moves this offseason. Ocho, could they actually land Cooper Cup and Miles Garrett? Both? Is that possible? Well, actually, it is possible,

especially with the cap going up to what it's going up after the news I saw today. 22 to 25 million increase. Yeah, it's possible, and I like the move. I like the move, but you know what that does? What? Terry McLaurin, you add Cooper Cup. I like the move. But you know what that does? What? Terry McLaurin. You add Cooper Cupp. I think Naomi Brown is still there.

Obviously. It takes some of the pressure off of Jaden Daniels. You got Zach Ertz. You got Brother Ertz. It takes some of the pressure off Jaden Daniels. You mean I get to have Cooper Cupp, who still is an elite route runner. He can play outside. He can play inside.

He can do just about anything. He can run elite route runner. He can play outside. He can play inside. He can do just about anything. He can run the route tree. Intermediate, short. Hell, he's sneaky fast too with that. Yeah. If you want to see him D. I like to move. What's up with the triple crown runner, man?

He was just a triple crown winner not too long ago. Ain't nothing wrong with him him and just the nature of the business on how it works go ahead and get him over there you made it to the NFC championship what you got imagine if you add that to the piece imagine you add that piece to the puzzle

yeah and if I'm Washington look I'm going all in because I'm doing everything I possibly can Ocho because in a couple of years I'm Washington, look, I'm going all in because I'm doing everything I possibly can, Ocho, because in a couple of years, I'm going to have to see him. You got to see him. Yeah. Yeah.

He's going to show up at the pay window, Ocho. Hey, you know how he's going to show up at the window? You watch Martin? Do you watch Martin? Yeah. Remember the Christmas episode when they got stuck at the bus terminal and Martin was to the window asking for some quarters

to make a call? Yeah. That's how Jay Day is going to be at that window. Yeah. He ain't going to make no call, though. Hey, Josh Harris, look.

They made it abundantly clear they're trying to win. Oh, yeah. You see the way they move? How they do things? They're trying to win. You see the way they move, how they do things, they're trying to win. Magic Johnson, look, Magic with the leg, look at that.

They don't spend, I don't know, they print money in L.A. with the Dodgers. They got Mookie. In two salaries, they got a billion dollars? So, hey, Brady Freeman. Mookie?

Mookie. And they got... I got a question. Yeah. Listen, I don't want to sound ignorant. Honestly, I don't. Where all that money coming from, man? Where all that money coming from?

Because when I watch games, the stands will never be full I'm not talking about oh they do with the Dodgers I'm not talking about the Dodgers the Dodgers every year have the most fans they have every year

boy look here you ain't never been to Chavez Ravine boy you talking about yeah they not I wasn't specifically

talking about the Dodgers I'm just saying in general oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't know I don't know I mean they Dodgers. I'm just saying in general. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. They got two $700 million players. Two. And they got what you call a making 40 plus million.

They got making 40 a year. Aaron Judge. He got nine years, 360. They got, I don't 360. I don't know. Tell me so we both know. Because if they got a money tree, I'm going to go chop it down. I'm telling you, man.

Listen, I was a highly sold-out prospect coming out of high school, man. I was a five-tooler. And every time I look at them deals sometime, I always say, you know what i should have stuck with baseball uh i don't know if you're too i don't know if your tool was a lot a lawnmower a bag hole a pick a shovel i don't know what your tools were but they damn sure wasn't wouldn't wouldn't apply to baseball i know that i'm talking about baseball

man look me up google me you can You can Google me. You can Google. Yeah. Yeah. Pitcher. I was a slugger. Played first, second, third, and outfield. I did everything. Yeah, you did.

I tell you no lie. You know them all that were trying to draft me out of high school right before they won the World Series in 1997. They did, huh? I did. They were trying. But my grandma said no. My grandma ain't play that.

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Emo Lamar. Hey, that's raw. I like that. I like that. I like that. You ever had your hair straightened like that, don't, I like, I like, I like that. I like that. I like that. That's dope. You ever had your hair straightened like that,

don't you? Nah, you know, no, no, cause, you know, I had dreads.

I had dreads, so I, and they was locked up so I could never take it out and have my hair permed or have my hair straight like that. Ocho,

your hair won't grow. Who? Your hair, just like mine. No, your whole life. Now you bald. No, I can grow a hair full of hair No you can't

I've showed that countless times I have Everybody 15 years ago had hair I'm talking about Just Okay do you want me to grow my hair out No That's your hair I'm just saying the only

reason i cut my hair consistently and i've been doing it for so long is i don't like the maintenance that comes with having hair i don't want to put grease on my scalp i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to train my hair to lay down i don't want waves i don't it's like a whole tedious process and i got sick of it when i'm ready to go i want to get out the shower and i want to I don't want waves. It's like a whole tedious process. And I got sick of it. When I'm ready to go, I want to get out the shower, and I want to dry my head and walk out the house. That's like a man that said, I want to be broke.

Man, you think I won't have money in my pocket? And in my bank account? It's just too hard to keep up with. Right. I understand what you're saying, but listen, that's apples and oranges. Them two different scenarios. No, Ocho, you can't grow hair.

And if you grow it, it's minimal. Oh, I got a full set of hair right now. Look at my hairline. You see my hairline coming in? Yeah. You see my hairline coming in?

No, no, you got to go a little further back. You started a 50-yard line. Whoa, whoa, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. My hairline. Listen, listen, my got to go a little further back. You started a 50-yard line. Whoa, whoa, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

My hair like... Started at 50. Listen, listen, my hair... Matter of fact, I'm going to get a shave up just for you. What? Shave what up? I'm going to let my hair grow, and I'm going to get a shave up. So I can show you I can grow a full set of hair.

You can? And I got good hair. I got good hair. Where is that? Huh? Where is that? Sir, I just showed you.

Ocho, you pointed back here, bro. I mean, you pointed back there. My hairline is right there. It's right there. You're looking right at it. It's right there. Ocho, from your hairline is right there. It's right there. You're looking right at it. It's right there. Ocho, from your hairline to your forehead, that's at least a $20 Uber ride. That's at least $20. Listen, my head's too small, so I know that's not true.

But I'm just saying, my hairline is intact. Ocho, you see how shiny is intact. Ocho, you see how shiny that is? Ocho, hair won't grow there. What do you mean how shiny? That's the light. That's the light. That's the light shining on my forehead. That's from my skincare routine. That's why

I look like this. That's why I look like this. That's why the ladies love me. It's this. It's the the ladies love me. It's this, the chocolate. You're chocolate now. Yeah. You get no debate from me. Yeah.

I solemnly swear. Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I do. Yeah. One thing about it. Yeah. When it comes to chocolate, one thing about women, they ain't got no problem getting cavities.

You hear me? Oh, Lord have mercy. Huh? Talk to me now. Lord have mercy, Josh. Yeah. Jesus. What's wrong?

Your hair? What? I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. Yes! Yeah. I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I heard.

Hey, look. Black, all I know is this. If you'd have been my age in the 80s, you'd have got no place. Because black wasn't in. They like Lasky. They like L to barge. Chico to barge. They like them type of dudes.

No, no, no. It don't matter what they like. There's something I had that nobody else didn't, and I still got it. It wasn't until Micah Jordan came in, Wesley Snipes came in. That's what put us on the map. I've been on top of the charts since they came in. So about mid-80s, like 80, Mike came in at 84. So like 86, my senior year, I've been top of the charts. Man, that ain't it. 40 years I my senior year right top of the charts

man that ain't it that ain't it 40 years I've been top of the charts I feel you hey I had a special gift Al B. Shore they mentioned Al B. Shore

yeah Al B. Shore yeah that's a good one yeah Chico DeMarge El DeMarge hey hey them boys

them boys were nice now yeah if I was if I was there during their time when the light-skinned dudes was in, there was something I had that they didn't. I don't care about you making no music. I don't care about you singing to the women. You hear me? Because I had to get the game.

It was all about wordplay. Huh? Nah. They wouldn't let you talk to them. Oh, they going to talk to this. They going to talk to this. Which I was telling them. The brothers don't get brother. We ain't getting no play on you. They going to talk to this. They going to talk to this. I'm just telling you. The brother darts game, brother.

We ain't getting no play, Ocho. They going to talk to Sugar. You hear me? Hey, you got a style. Hey, I'm going to make you laugh. I'm going to laugh right out the drawers. Hey. All right.

Boy, you ain't getting no play, Ocho. Went out of style just like Pauly Austin. You can make a comeback, but... Hey, when I think about it, Chico and A.L. DuBois, now you got me thinking about the music they made, man. Oh, they sang back then. I'm thinking, that's some good music, huh? They sang, oh yeah.

The music from the 80s, it was different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. The music from the 80s, it was different. 80s and early 90s. Oh, my God. Oh, they were... But see, but see, I don't remember hearing nothing about no garden tools.

It wasn't no three-oh-fours. They ain't saying about that. They talk about women. They talk about ladies. They talk about love. Now, now they talking about

jumping up and down and you need to lock out all foolishness, you know. Man, I just think she. Oh, man. They just don't make it. They don't make music like they used to, Ocho. And everybody I talked to, Ocho, they said, you know, R&B ain't dead. But, bro, they don't sing like they used to sing

nah they don't beg they don't beg because see, the women used to make you beg to get them up out of it now they begging you to get up, now they begging you what song, what song

what song was it I give you my credit card, my keys in my house. I can't think of... I gave you my son, the rain. Yeah. Who's that saying, I'll pay your rent, I'll buy your clothes? Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah.

That was back in the day. Now, see, if I played that song for somebody, they know you lied. You broke. We see where you live at. You can't. You can't. Hey, Chad, what song is that, Chad? Uh.

I give you this. O.K. O.K. Sweat was the number one baby. Oh, what song is that? He was. That might have been Babyface. After Seven, Take Six, all of them. There was the days,

little Cho. There was the days. Babyface, talk about that. Talk about that. I just miss those days. With the video? I just want to go one year. Hold on. What y'all know about Take Six?

That's a gospel group, Take Six. F- Well, they don't call no woman no 304. They don't call no garden tool. No freak, no jump. Just one year. I't call it Little Garden 2. Uh-uh. No Freak, no Jump.

Just one year. I just want to go one year. For one year, all the music. That's what I want. Man. If they do that, they're going to get me

back into it. Man, and hold on. Peebo Grice. Man, Smokey Robinson. But ain't nobody begging like Freddie Jackson. Oh, Smokey Robinson. But ain't nobody big like Freddie Jackson.

Oh, Freddie. Freddie begging. Man. Freddie. Man, y'all know Freddie. Big, big, robber. Like, yeah. With Lenny Williams.

I got to take a glass off. Big Lenny so? With Lenny Williams I gotta tell you a glass song big Lenny song where Lenny Williams cause I love you sang cause I love you I don't know what that brother was going through in that studio but I'll hurt for him

every time I hear that song mmm he sung it now. Travis Hunter is now expected to attend the 2025 NFL Combine as both a wide receiver and a DB. Yeah. Is the league split between him being a wide receiver and a corner Ocho? No, no, they're not split, but they are understanding.

Listen, he's made it abundantly clear that he's going to do what he did at Colorado wherever he goes. And I think the fact that they're allowing him to do both, that's a good thing. Because he gets to show off his skill set and what he can do at both positions. I like it. I like it for him. I really do. I'm excited to see how it looks.

I think it's easy to build a package around a wide receiver. Right, right, right. So you play corner, you play your customary snaps, and then we come in a situation and we'll give you a package. We'll give you, you know, let's just say what you think, 10, 15 plays on offense? Yeah, something like that. You run by, what, 65, 70 plays a game? 15, 10 or 15?

On offense and then the rest on defense. Yeah. Absolutely. Because you walk with a fine line to try to give him, you know, 65 plays on defense and then another 30, 40 plays on offense. Boy, you walking a tight rope, Ocho. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, the NFL plays a tight rope, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you know, them NFL players a little harder, Ocho. They put them, they strain them hams and quads a little bit more. Especially when you get them

gangsters in front of you at receiver. Hmm? Ball game. Hey, listen. You exerting a different type of energy. Chase,

Jetta, Reek. AJ Brown. AJ. CD. Devontae. Armand Raw. Boy, hey.

It's going to be some good work every week. What's that? Zay Flowers. It's going to be some good work. Dickens. Yeah, man. Joe Collins. Yep.

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