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You live to see another day. You live to see another down. And plus, I want to keep Patrick Mahomes off the field. I think that's the best way to beat him. You saw what the Eagles did. The Eagles had the ball so much, he couldn't get a rhythm. And then to have a running back like this that can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere.

Oh, yeah. That's nice. He's extremely. Look at that. Oh, that's his high school. That's his high school. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He could have made it. You know, a lot of teams wanted to jump into the portal. Uh-huh. He probably could have made it with a couple of million, but he's like, you know what? I started here. I'm going to finish. Stay here, yeah.

I want to start what I finished. I like that. You can do that when you're special. You can do that when you're special. It don't matter where you go. It's what you do once you get there. He's one that understood I can stay where I'm at, and I'm going to be fine.

He was sensational. He was. Yeah. I like this. Where are the Jets going? Who are the Jets taking? Memu? Where is he from?

Missouri? Oh, the wide receiver. Olaman? To the Jets? I like Tyler Warren to the Jets. I like Warren. You don't like him? No.

They got the, if you talk about Conklin, they got, I like Tyler Warren, but Tyler's 7 is a little high. You think that's too high? That's a little high for a tight end. No, he's good. Now... You don't think he's like Brock? Yeah, Brock Bauer's good. You like that?

Yeah. You don't think so? Yeah. He's nice. Man, Brock was... From Brock's freshman year, Brock could have came from Brock's freshman year. Brock could have came out in his freshman year just that good. Yeah.

Did Jeff feed anyone? Who they taking? Yeah. I already am. I don't need the jacket. Ask what we looking like. Ask. what we looking like? Ash. Wow. Wow.

Yeah. Old lineman from Missouri. That's what the speculation is. You don't like that? No. You got to protect him. Where would you prefer them to go? Tight end.

Tight end? More weapons. More weapons. You don't think 70 is a lot? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Huh? I can't hear you.

Wait, who are they picking? Are we? That's cheating. You want to bet? Ahmad Mimbrou. Yeah. All right, let's bet on the next pick. On the next one?

Oh, the Texas wide receiver? Is that your dad? All right, bet. Ooh, I like that. Ah, my God. Ah, my God. Ah, my God. Ah, my God.

O.T. Oou. OT Missouri. Nigerian, huh? That's dope. Well, 6'4", 332. Golly. He's massive. Oh, he can move.

Get out the club, boy. Get out the club. Good footwork. Good anchor. Oh, he anchored down. Oh, he nice. The question is, how long are you going to move it? That's really high for a right tackle. Yeah.

Well, obviously, they see something. Oh, look at him pass that off. He nice. To be that big big to be that size he's very nimble he has good footwork get out the club well he ain't

he mauling folks nice he's mauling folks Ocho I like I get it I get it Ocho yeah you know they got a couple of running backs yes take some pressure off I like... I get it. I get it, Ocho. Yeah. You know they got a couple of running backs.

Yes. Take some pressure off of Justin Fields. They got Brother Brees. Brees Hall. They got Allen. I like it. Run it. I like it.

They got Chris Olave. Who's on the clock today? Ocho. You got wide receiver from Arizona. He's nice. He's nice. That's a good one. That's a good one.

That's a good one. So I'm thinking about McMillan. What's Young Bull? You got Leggett. You got Thielen. No, I think Thielen ain't gone. But I like them giving him weapons. Right. The more weapons you give

the quarterback, the better he's going to be. Yes. Pick is in. Who we got? I said that first. No, I said McMillan first. You're cheating. Y'all cheating.

Okay, next one, next one, next one. Who's on the clock? The Panthers. Saints. Ooh, Shador. Yeah. Shador, number nine. Let's bet.

No, he didn't. Nah. Okay, number 10. Who you got? Who? The running back, right? All right, let's bet. I bet you wrong.

How much? 20 bucks. Signed hat? All right. If you lose, you got gotta give me your Packer jersey I'm gonna wear it anyway it seems like the Carolinas

Carolinas they need to receive they need weapons Bryce Young needs weapons they need weapons I think it's gonna be Macmillan Macmillan is to receive. They need weapons. Bryce Young needs weapons. They need weapons. I think it's going to be McMillan. McMillan is, I think, a smidge better. I agree.

He's really good. I agree. Big target. Yeah, if I'm the Panthers, I'm going offensive here. I'm giving them a weapon. You know, the reports are they're probably going to take McMillan, the wide receiver out of Arizona. Had an outstanding season in All-American. Going into the season, he was rated as the best receiver in college football. He didn't disappoint. I thought he played extremely well.

He did. And the Panthers need weapons to surround Bryce Young with to make him even better. So I like it. If they take a receiver here and if it's McMillan, I don't have a problem with that. Not at all. He's a good receiver. Obviously, watching some of his route running, too. A bigger target for Bryce Young. He's really

good in short and intermediate routes and he can go deep as well. The funny thing for him to be the size he is, he's very shifty. He's very shifty to be as big as he is. I'm excited for him especially for the Panthers and Bryce Young. Let's put these commercials, man. Yeah.

Is the pick in? Oh, the pick is in. The pick is in, Ojo. Ojo. Yeah, man, he cool. I like it. Coming to the set right now is the human joystick, the great returner, Kansas City Chiefs. What returner?

King returner. I think you're a 10. It's been a minute. It's been a minute. Where else do you want to be? Where else do you want to be? Where else do you want to be? What's good? What's good, baby?

How you been, man? I've been good, man. Life is good, baby. Where's home? I'm finna mess you up with this one. New Jersey. Jersey? New Jersey.

Boy, that's what love will do to you. That's what love will do to you. So my wife, her people are from New York, Long Island, so we decided to make life up there. Okay. Yeah, man. Our family got, you know, the kid got family clothes. Exactly.

Grandma got auntie around the corner. Yeah, man. I like that. I like that. So what you been doing for her lately? Man, I've been doing a little bit of everything, man. I work with the league office, with the lessons coordinators, helping guys transition.

Right. I'm an ambassador with the Kansas City Chiefs, so I do a lot of grassroots marketing, community outreach with them. And then my wife and I, we got a little company we run. And then I do a lot of, you know, the typical stuff when you're done. Media, signings. Right, right, right. So I got my hands on a little bit of everything.

Staying busy. The Panthers pick are in. I don't know how close you follow it. You look at Bryce Young. He got benched last year, but when he came back in, he played extremely well. Seeing as he slowed down for him, he did a great job. I'm thinking they take a receiver here to give him a weapon to throw the ball to. They need to give him an offensive lineman.

Here's McMillan. My receiver, you called it. You called it. That's dope. He's a good one, too. But he don't have time to get the ball to him. Well, I bet they're going to put out that game, baby. Yeah.

Get in and out. You're going to quit game, but I think the thing is, Ocho, you also put them in a situation where now you got, you know, you got day two picks. Here's some offensive linemen. There you go. Yeah, you know them to get some of your greatest offensive linemen on day two anyway. Yes. A lot of those first runners be flaming out, don't they? True. True.

I'll tell you what you think about the Chiefs this year? What if you were GM right now and you were in the war room? What are you going to get this year to improve and help you out? I mean, everybody knows we've got to go get offensive linemen. All line. Right. That's simple. Go get that guy.

I think it's Justin Simmons. Go get that offensive lineman if he's still there at pick 31. Definitely grab him. Then I think we also need to go get a defensive back. I'm looking at offensive linemen. You got to replace Justin Reed that just went to New Orleans. You got to replace him at the safety position and go get another

guy. Trent McDuffie is better in the slot. We tried to put him on the outside. I don't like him on the outside. The big receivers, man. You put the big receivers out there, they just back shoulder in, throwing it up, jump ball. He's better suited in the slot and get you a big guy on the outside. Right. The big receivers, man. You put the big receivers out there, they just back shoulder in, throwing it up, jump ball. Right.

He's better suited in the slot and get you a big guy on the outside. You definitely need some old linemen. Patrick did not have a whole lot of time this year. It really played itself out in the Super Bowl. It was terrible. It was like 2020 against Tampa Bay. All over again. Boy, he's nice. Yeah.

Ocho, who's your favorite receiver coming out in the draft this year? Coming out in the draft this year, my favorite receiver was Travis Hunter. I mean, even though he played both sides of the ball, he was exciting. I like McMillan as well. But for me, Trav brings that excitement. One of those players that can put butts in the seats. And it's one of those moments like when you, before they hike the ball and you on the field, I'm standing up because I don't know what the hell

is going to happen. He's definitely that guy. And, man, how crazy. Fourth circle, this guy to get in there back in Florida. Where it all began. That's crazy. That's dope. I like this.

Excuse me. I love this. Excuse me. I love this pick for Carolina. I do. I do. Guys started making plays for Bryce Young when he came back in there. Yeah, you're right. They didn't make before he got in there.

Granted, maybe the game slowed down a little bit for him. He got better, but I think the guys around him got better as well. Now, is McMillan one of those guys who's going to come in year one and make an impact, or is he going to develop him? He's coming in right now. He should make an impact. He should make an impact right away.

I don't know if he's going to be Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase. No, no, no. He better be. I think eight he better be. I think eight. This is what they can do. They can put him in positions understanding his strengths and knowing his weaknesses and hide his weaknesses the best they can

and then put him in a position to make plays. You know what he's good at. You know what he's not. And that's what NFL coaches are supposed to get paid to do. Right. But they don't always do that. Well, they spend so much time trying to tell you what you can't do. Put me in a situation where what I do really good,

it didn't hide me from what I don't do. Is that simple? I mean, it's that simple. It's just some coaches. They're going to coach what they know. They're going to coach what they know. A lot of coaches can't change. What do they do?

They're like, hold on. This man's a damn good returner in all that space. Let's put him in the slot. Give him a two-way go. You can go in. You can go out. You can go straight. You can stop. But that's what I in the slot. Give him a two-way go. You can go in, you can go out, you can go straight, you can stop.

But that's what I'm telling you. My first year, those coaches, they only coached what they knew. Hand the ball off, right? It was a running game type team. They really didn't know how to. Run your jet sweeps. They didn't even give me jet sweeps. They just had me returning kicks.

Right. And then Al Saunders, who was the wide receiver's coach for the greatest show on turf. Yes. They brought that offense and then they know what to do with me. Right.

Oz Akeem type plays. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So I'm telling you, I experience it. I ain't telling you what I think,

I'm telling you what I know. Right. Coaches can change your whole trajectory of your career. Yeah. You get with the wrong one?

I tell guys all the time, it ain't how high you go, it's where you go. Yes. Because you can go really high when somebody don't know what the hell they're doing, and you're going to be lost, and then people say you a bust. No, I'm not a bust. They just don't know how to use me.

Right, 100%. I'm a sports car, and you got me hauling trash. I'm a sports car, not a dump truck. So you got to understand what you have and how to use what you have. Preach. what you have and how to use what you have. What you call them having drafted a quarterback? They're the only team that hadn't drafted a quarterback in the first round in the last 50 years. The Cowboys.

We got Shador going here. Look at this. 50 years. Shador. They taking Banks? Banks from Texas. Calvin Banks. Receiving? Off of the tackle.

Well, look. So they sticking with Derek Carr, basically. But he hurt. He's hurt. So who? Spencer Rattler? Oh, no. You know the Cowboys pick at 12. hurt. So who? Spencer Rattler? Although, you know the Cowboys pick

at 12. They're not going to do it. But they... I think so. Why not make a splash? What you going to do with Dak? Dak on the books for about $200-something million. One more year.

Yeah, one more year. Oh, that's a good one. Calvin Banks. Yeah, jump the gate. Jump the gate. Calvin Banks. Wow. So where does the door go now?

Well, they predicted this. They say 21 to the standard. Ooh. Ooh. Kelvin Banks. Bro, I don't think nobody saw this. No, no, no, no. Nobody. I mean, they was talking about Shador. They was talking about Jackson Dark.

I don't think anybody saw this. You have to address the quarterback situation in New Orleans, and you haven't done that yet. And I thought Shador would have been a perfect fit with Kellen Moore. I did, too. Normally, the offensive rookie coaches, they like to hiss themselves to a rookie quarterback, and we're going to grow together.

Yeah. He don't have bad habits. I can teach him. Ooh. Ooh. Let's see. Let's see what it look like, Ojo. Nice base. Nice climb. Ooh. Hands inside.

I like that. He's nice. I like that. Let's see what type of punch he got. Okay. Tremendous. Ooh. Good wash. I want to see the punch. I like that. Let's see what type of punch he got. Okay. Tremendous. Oh. Good wash. I want to see the punch.

I got to see some pass roll. There it is. Oh, nice. Step up. Face was a little wide. Oh, no. You can't get that edge on that. Sometimes too good.

They bend that edge, Ojo. No, they be gone. You can't get get an angel like that. No. Them guys too good, they been at the angel, Joe. No, they be gone. You can't get at the angel like that. Huh? Oh, number 11? Number 10? Okay, number 10. To where?

Chicago? Chicago. I like that. I like that. I like that. They're going to be good this year. Let it out. Let it out. You got Cole Komet.

You have Tyler Warren. You have Roman Dunzay. You got DJ Moore. You got a running back. They upgraded the offensive line. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, are they talking about the war? They're talking about the war?

I know. The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! The Bears still suck! Loveland. Bears taking Loveland.

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Oh, they're talking about the schedule release. Okay. They're not going to release it tonight. That would be dope. I hope my Chiefs play in Brazil week one. I hope they open up in Brazil. Who? I think the Chiefs charges.

In Brazil? Yeah. That's a good one. Stand away from two teams that don't work. Every home game? I go to a lot of them. They got me heavily involved. It's not the right tight end.

I like, I like, I like, I love the tight end from Penn State. You think so? No. The Penn State tight end reminds me of Gronk. He's that big? Big, yeah. Who you got number one all time, Gronk? Yes.

Over Gronk. I like that. You know what? If you took Grump, I think you're over the top. Look, I know you played with Tony, but man, them boys special. Hey, just –

Hey, especially Kelsey. Kelsey was more like a wide receiver. You know what I'm saying? He twitchy. Tony just had them hands. Yeah. But he don't look like he's running the hood, though. He told me I ain't catching the crowd.

I say, because I wasn't in the crowd. You could not run nobody. You always going to be in the crowd. I was ahead of the crowd. I say, because I wasn't in the crowd. You could not run nobody. You're always going to be in the crowd. I was ahead of the crowd. Look at this corner. They lost to Davias Ward. Pick his end. Let's see.

It's good. I'm dressed perfect. Hey, where's the goddamn snow? Oh, man. Yeah. Do you guys like to play in the winter here? Steve McMichael, Hall of Famer on that bear, the 85 Bears team. Bongo. He played on that too? Yep.

Who we got? Who's taking? Who we got? Come on, come here. I'm just giving this to you. Yeah. Yeah. It's Austin Loveland, Michigan. Woo. Tight end?

Yeah. Michigan. I like Warren from Penn State. I like that, too. Great hands. Great run after the catch. Normally, the Penn State tight end, the one thing they can do is block. Yeah.

Penn State will stop. Penn State will stop. Penn State will stop. Penn State will stop. Penn State will stop. Yeah, I don't. I'm trying to see the main highlights, man. Oh, here we go. Tyler Eifert. Well, we take a tight end with the number 10 overall. Yeah.

Man, look, I'm not surprised that he went in the first round. I'm surprised that he went in front of Warren. That point. For me, I thought Warren, the games that I watched him, high point the ball, tremendous run after the catch, can't block, lined him up in the slot. Yeah. Oh, he tried to the catch. Can't block. Lied him up in the slot. Yeah. Oh, he got it.

Here we go. Let's see what he – oh, run the wheel right on him. I like this. Nice high point. Okay, okay. Nice high point. Okay. I want to see some run blocking.

So he's more of an F tight end. He's more of a tiger tight end. He blocked a little bit. Oh, nice release. He too light. Oh, he not blocking that. Not at that side. He's more of a Travis Kelsey. There you go.

Exactly. The center short. Yeah. He's more of a Travis Kelsey. There you go. Exactly. The center short. Yeah. He's more of a fly. He's more of an elf. Yeah. Yeah. You put him in motion.

Make him the weak side. The tiger tight end. You make him the weak side. I'm not putting him at the point of attack. Yeah. You don't ask him to block too many times. Well, they already got Cole Clement, though. I know.

I guess they want to go to double tights. Two tights, two tights, and two wideouts. One running back. I like it. I like it. I like the pick. I like Tyler Warren a little better. That's it.

He can do a little bit more than what I just saw. I'm not surprised that he went in the first round. I'm surprised that he went over Tyler Warren. Yeah, for sure. I believe that, yes. All right. Linebacker. Linebacker.

That's the linebacker, right? Number three? Oh. 13. Okay. He nice. Oh, yeah. Look, the one thing Georgia over the last four or five years has put out of some linebackers.

Linebackers. Linebackers. The line. Yep. Every time. And they missing a long time. He got that from Nick. If you go look at Nick, what Nick put out.

Yeah. Them D-line with them linebackers. Yeah. Yeah, he's rushing. But what's the edge from Philly last year, Ash. I like it. You got to look. Now, in the league, because everybody playing so much space,

these guys are undersized now at the edge because you got to be at the edge. You got to do it because you're playing in so much space. Exactly. It's not like when we played, man. No, no, no, no. At all. The 250 days. Look in the Super Bowl.

Andy ran the ball like 10 times. I think that would have helped Patrick in that offensive line. For sure. Just hand it off. Yeah. Look, the thing is that when they played cover two, they played every snap was cover two except one. You got to run somebody out of cover two.

You can't throw them out of it. 100%. Because they got a light box. But because they knew Kansas City would get impatient and Kansas City hadn't shown the propensity to run the football all year, you played right in the Phillies' hand. And now when they got the lead on you, they know you

gonna get impatient. I was shocked Andy Reid normally gets in his bag and can make some adjustments. I was surprised by the lack of adjustments he made. But think about this. Even with adjustments, there's nothing you can do for adjusting that type of defense that's coming at you that kind of way.

Even with the quick game, they were still in the backfield. Let's say if you were going to make adjustments, you know what? They're getting to them too quick.

We got to get away from play action. We got to get away from five-step drop. He couldn't even do three-step drop. I think they go Williams. That's why you got

to run the ball. Yeah. I think they go Williams. You got Will Johnson? I think they go Williams. You got Will Johnson? I think they go Williams. Edge. Then they release Leonard Floyd. Is Leonard Floyd still in San Francisco?

Ash. Ash, you hear me? Leonard Floyd. Got him. He's in the bathroom. Too Ash. Ash, you hear me? Leonard Floyd. Got him. He's in the bathroom. Too much water. Too much water. Go ahead.

Go ahead. I think they're going to take. They need a cornerback. Tredavious Ward left. He's in Indy now. I like. I think they take a corner. 49ers? No, no, no. The 49ers need a corner, but they might go edge.

They like the Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid.

The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid.

The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. The Georgia kid. Yeah, he's an Indian now. That's right.

That's right. But the guy that's been rising up the draft board is that edge from Georgia. Number 13, Williams. And you know what? Pair him with Bosa. And Leonard Floyd. Because they got to get back to... Look, Robert Sala is back as a defensive coordinator. He's back

over there? That's my guy. He loves to attack the cornerback. I thought he was with the Green Bay staff. He left the Green Bay staff? No, no, no. He went to Green Bay when he left the Jets. Yeah. No, he went to D.C. at – Look at there. Yeah, what you doing? There's only one place for him to go, Pittsburgh.

Everybody else got quarterbacks locked in. I like that for him, though. You get those two receivers that they got in Pittsburgh. You got Mike Tomlin. You got the running back. They got defense Tomlin. You got the running back. They got defense. Jalen Warren is the running back now. Yeah. You know, not in San Francisco. And I don't know if Jalen Warren can be

every down back. No, no, no, no, no. He's at the Chargers, Najee. Yeah. What? Yeah. What? Yeah. They got the next pick, right? They do.

That bad. So what do you do with Dak? If you take Chidoa, what do you do with Dak? Dak, you go play. Don't worry about who's behind you. You just do what you're supposed to do, and you can keep him on the bench. You can keep's behind you. You just do what you're supposed to do, and you can keep him on the bench. You can keep him behind you. I like, but I like.

I don't like him in that. They're taking a defensive player. I know the 49ers are taking a defensive player. You like Will Johnson. I like the edge. Edge. Here we go. Who the 49ers?

Who they got? Who they took? They took Williams. No, they took Williams. The edge from Georgia. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, it's hard to go wrong taking somebody in that front seven from UGA. Kirby doesn't.

Who needs a quarterback? The Niners don't need a quarterback. They got Purdy. And they just paid him. Oh, they need a quarterback. They do. When they say, well, you ain't got to hold up long. Ooh.

Cowboys on the clock. Cowboys select Shador Sanders. No. The O-lineman. Oh, yeah. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. They need O-line.

Zach Martin left. Booker, they take Alabama's tackle. What? You need to be able to run the football, or you need to be able to protect Dak. That's a good pick. That's a good pick. Now all we need

is for Jerry to make a splash and trade for Tyreek Hill. Booker. Alabama. He was what? He was the third he was the second rated

tackle behind behind Campbell. Ooh, that's nice. Really nice at the point of attack. Give me that. Oh, he's sudden. He'll strike you down.

Yeah. Ooh. Good hands, boy. Good hands. That's what I saw. Good hands. Hey, look at Mr. Bianchi. Wax on, wax off.

Oh, man, he at Mr. Bianchi. Wax on, wax off. Oh, Betty Sutton. Huh? That's dope. They're taking Booker. Who? Is it? No, they're not taking the linebacker. I bet you they take one. Who? Because you remember our over three got hurt. And they were small at the linebacker. I bet you they take one.

Because you remember our over three got hurt. And they were small at the linebacker position, too. They were real small. Mikel Williams. Cowboys pick us in. We're about to find out. Shador. No.

Say linebacker from Alabama. He'll take a kicker. They got the best kicker in football. Or one of them. Guard. That's who they're taking. Cotton. Cotton.

Who they're taking. Cotton. Who they're taking? Is it the Bama Guard? Alabama Tyler Booker. Tyler Booker. Okay. Booker. You see? That's a good one.

They're here with Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith. They'll probably kick Tyler Smith back out and left tackle. That'll be a good move. And then put him at guard. To replace Zach. Yep. That's dope.

Hey. That's dope. Alabama going to have some draft picks now. What they Alabama going to do now? Alabama going to have some. Alabama, Georgia. Yeah, man. That SEC? Big boy is safe, too. Check him out.

Because think about it. Will Campbell. Yep think about it. Will Campbell. Went for the Missouri OT. I don't know the Missouri OT. Who's the Missouri? He went like seven. There he is.

Georgia guy. He's going to pick him. So four of the top 12 picks from the SEC. Offensive lineman? Two offensive linemen, yeah. So we got three offensive linemen and an edge rusher. Where did the offense go? What do you guys need?

I mean, oh, my goodness. A little bit everything. Defense. You're trying to move Jalen Ramsey. Yes. If you move Jalen Ramsey, you're probably going to need somebody to replace him. Do you take Howard? I'm trying

to think. Where do you think Miami should go? Corner? That's what I'm saying. Yeah. You like the corner from Michigan? It's nice. I don't understand why they're trying to move Ramsey. Spry's tag.

That's what I was thinking. But the production is still there. Is it? You paid a lot of money for Tua. You paid a lot of money for Tyreek. You paid a lot of money for Waddle. So the odd man out is your best cover man?

Yeah, man. What do dolphins take in? Dolphins. What are the Dolphins taking? Dolphins. What do the Dolphins need? Corner linebacker. Dolphins. What are the Dolphins taking? Down the clock.

Everything. Unfortunately, you can't get one of everything. You get one of something. Come on, Miami. Don't mess up. Don't mess up. What? You got to keep it up there for the time being.

After the show, we can give you that, okay? Okay. Let me give him one. Huh? One behind me. Huh? No, no. We don't want to start that.

That's it. No, we don't want to start that. That's it. No, we don't want to start that. I'm like, now I'm interested. Where are the Dolphins going, Ocho? I have no idea. Well, we know they don't need a wide receiver. No, we got to go defense. We got to go defense.

They don't need a receiver. Obviously, no, they don't need a quarterback. They could go offensive line. Yeah. Keep Tua upright. You never know. You got to replace Jalen Ramsey being at. He on the trade block.

Him being on the trade block. So I'm curious. Will Howard was probably the, he is the highest graded corner. Yes, sir. For Michigan. Well, no, look, he's the second highest graded corner. Who's first? Trav was the highest graded corner.

Okay. So I would not be surprised if this, the Dolphins take a corner here. Because I agree with you, I think they need defense. Or an O-lineman. Yeah. You got running back with A-chan? You good there? You set? Most is going now.

Hold on. What about Tyler Warren, that tight end? Oh. Ooh. Will Johnson. Okay. That's a good one. That's Jalen Milrow right there.

Will Johnson. It's not on there yet. Cowboys got their guy to replace Zach Martin. You had Zach Martin, a staple, a long, long time. He was in the Johnny Manziel draft 2016, when a lot of people thought they were going to take Johnny Manziel, they take Zach Martin, and they get a get a 7-8 time first team all pro 7-8 time pro bowl player.

Unbelievable career, but as much as they ran the ball he was in a lot of collisions. A lot of who that? Zach Martin. You know, he retired. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So you get somebody to replace him. You bump Tyler Smith probably back out to left tackle.

Okay. You keep Terrence still at right tackle. You run the football a little more. You got Javante Williams. Now you got somebody to protect Dak, keep him upright, hopefully he can stay healthy. You know and I know they not going to win until Jerry Jones is up out of that. Well, he ain't going nowhere.

Well, it don't matter who they pick. He ain't going nowhere. It don't matter who they pick. No time soon. It don't matter who they pick. No time soon. It don't matter. But let me ask you this. What if they make a trade? Because I told Ocho, I said, what if they make a trade and they trade for Tyreek?

I love Tyreek. But is Tyreek still that difference maker? Is he still that difference maker? Absolutely. He's still that difference maker. I cannot forget just because one season when Tua was out and the number suffered. Ain't nothing wrong with that. He's still that guy maker. I really cannot forget just because one season when Tua was out and the number suffered. Ain't nothing wrong with that. He's still that guy.

Absolutely. Absolutely. I love the Cheeto, but I don't know if that's a move that Dallas needs. You don't think so? I don't think so. I don't think that's the move. For the right price, what's the asking price? Just take over the contract.

It's a trade, right? Yeah. But I'm saying, what compensation are we giving? We giving up a third rounder? We giving up a fourth rounder? Third round. Tyree's about a third round. Third round right now.

What you giving up? Yeah, I ain't giving up nothing. No, hell no. Second? No, wait. Third round. Third round pick would be. You talking about you not giving up a second rounder for the,

be still the most dynamic receiver, just because he had one offseason because his quarterback was hurt? What are we talking? I give you a third for him. I give you a third. But here's the thing. And a conditional fifth. Hold on.

Well, he just had 1,800 the year before last. I give you a fourth that can turn into a third. I like that. I give you a fourth. Tyreek Searle, your top five receiver right now. I give you points. Tyreek Seale, your top five receiver right now. You absolutely top five. Over Justin Jefferson? I just say over.

You said top five. No particular order. I'm going to give you top five. I think I can give you five better than that. Give me five better right now. Justin Jefferson. That's one. Jamar Chase.

That's two. What's my man with the Rams? Puka. Puka. You putting Puka Nakua over Tyreek Hill? Off of one season? No, Puka had two seasons. Two seasons?

What are we talking about? Keep going. That's three. You like Devontae? Not at this stage. Okay. Not at this stage. Talk to me.

Not at this stage. AJ Brown? No. Tyler McLaurin? Who do you like? We are talking about Tyreek Hill. Come on now. What are we doing?

Nico Harris? Nico Collins. Nico Collins. No. Yeah, please don't mention Nico Harrison. In Dallas? Come on. Yeah.

Come on, Dean. Come on now. Oh, the, D. Come on now. Oh, the Dolphins pick her in. Woo. Okay. DT. They went defense. Michigan.

Grant. Wait, where's he from? Michigan. Another Michigan? D. Grant was the... I like... I thought they would go Will Johnson.

I thought they'd go corner because, you know, the situation with Jalen Ramsey. But I like this pick. You know, what you call them left? The big... What's his name? He went back to the Cardinals. Oh, Calais.

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Yes. Yes. 6'3", 331. God damn. Let's see what he got. Oh, quick. That was a nice little move. Looked like Big Sam Adams with that quick first step.

You know about Sam Adams. Big Sam played with me in Cincinnati. Sway he had the quickest feet, boy. Yeah, I don't know. He swept. Boy, I got the quickest first step ever. Oh, big. Oh.

Ooh. Ooh. Oh, he powerful inside. He quick. Nice pose. Oh, no, you better not go catch him. You better not go catch him. And you can run a little bit.

Oh, my. A lot of bit. Man, you better not go in the meeting room on Monday. You let a D-tackle run you down? Hold on. That's all. Hold on. At 331 at that.

Yes. Oh, my goodness. Warren. That's a good one. I like that. That's a good one. I love that. So.

He'll be like a Clark, Dallas Clark. Yes. Remember Dallas Clark when he had Peyton? Yes, when he had Peyton Stokely. Yes. I said that first. I love that pick. I love that pick for the Colts. Wow.

Think about it. The quarterback went first, or the quarterback hadn't gone again. That's wild. The first 14 picks in 24 was offense. Now you got 9 offense, 5 defense. Oh yeah, yeah. It's a no-brainer. It's a really good pick.

A very good pick. Especially for Anthony Richardson. Very, very good pick. The problem is the guys that's on the clock right now don't need quarterbacks. So if you didn't go to Cleveland, the Giants. That's what I was saying. If he doesn't go nine, nobody else needs a quarterback until 21. But do the Steelers take him?

100%? Yes, I believe they do. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. But when nobody, you look at all the picks that were from 10 to 21, then nobody needed a quarterback. Everybody done spent big money on a quarterback. New Orleans needed a quarterback.

Yes, they did. But that's how we said, okay, he doesn't go nine to New Orleans. Then what? Okay, if he doesn't go 21 to the Steelers, then what? Oh, Lord. I don't even want to think about that. He's going to Pittsburgh? Who?

See, I like Warren. I like Warren. I really like Warren. Same number that Dallas Clark Warren, too, was it? Look at that. Ooh. Ooh. Get out here.

That's a DB. That don't count. Hey, I like this for Anthony Richardson because it gives him security. I had it to him. I had it to him. Get going, son. Get going to get going, son. That's against Ohio State, too.

Yes. He's nice. He's like a Swiss Army knife at the quarterback. I mean, he's in the tight end position. Did he just throw the ball? He did. He left it. Doing some everything. Who took him? The Colts? Yep. I like that pick, too.

Oh. Six. Nice. Look at this. Off the helmet. Moss. Give me that. Nah, yeah. That's Moss all day. I like it.

I like this pick. Look, Moe Allen Cox getting a little up on age now. I mean, he had a great career, undrafted free agent, came out of BCU as a basketball player. We know the success basketball players have. Coming into the NFL, Tony Gonzalez was a basketball player. Tony O'Gates. Tony O'Gates was a basketball player. We know the success basketball players have coming into the NFL. Tony Gonzalez was a basketball player. Tony O'Gates was a basketball player.

Jimmy Graham was a basketball player. So we know the success that these guys have coming in. But okay, now it's, you know, let's go. We need more production at that position. You know what? They got some good receivers around him. You like Pittman Jr.?

I do like Pittman Jr. I do. I like him a lot. Falcons. What you taking to see Falcons? Will Johnson. I'm taking Johnson. Who are you?

Linebacker? Linebacker. I think I like Will to go outside of the side of A.J. Terrell. I like it. That outside of the side of A.J. Terrell. I like it. That's a good one. You got to deal with Chris Godwin and Mike Evans. You got to love it. Rashad Sheehy.

Yeah, Rashad Sheehy, yeah. You got him. Carolina just took a receiver. Yeah. McMillan. They got Legget receiver. Yeah. McMillan. They got Leggett. Yep. Adam Thielen.

You taking a corner or you taking a linebacker? I want. I would, too. Taking a corner. What you like in this pick here? Let's go, baby. Atlanta, let me see. You got Pennix.

Jeff Okuda. Jeff Okuda's gone, right? Huh? Jeff Okuda left Atlanta, didn't he? Who'six, Jeff Okuda. Jeff Okuda's gone, right? Huh? Jeff Okuda left Atlanta, didn't he? Who's that? Jeff Okuda, the DB. I'm not familiar with you. I like...

I definitely think the Falcons should go defense. Yeah, scoring points wasn't their issue last year. No, stopping people. Stopping people was. Just like my you-know-who. Who they? I like this. Ocho, what you would have did if you had Joe Barrow as your quarterback?

Same thing I did with Carson. Carson was a beast. He had some fun. You got to think, they passed the ball like crazy today, bro. Like crazy. Yeah, it was different. I think during our era. What was the quarterback when you played?

Rudy Johnson. Remember Rudy from Auburn? Of course I remember Rudy. Yeah, old Rudy. Then we had Cedric Benson. When I first got there, it was Corey Dillon was there. Corey Dillon, that's who I was thinking of. Yeah, old Rudy. Then we had Cedric Benson. When I first got there, it was Corey Dillon was there first.

Corey Dillon, that's who I was there for. And I was a rookie. And then he went to New England after that, right? Yeah. Ran the ball. Boy, do I.

Do I. I hate it. Boy, that. Hey, who y'all, who y'all had that running back when you were there? Yeah, Priest.

Priest home. And then we back though with y'all with Larry Johnson. That's right. That's right. Boy, Priest was so smooth. Man. Hey, him and Amon Green got the prettiest running style, bro.

Oh, my. Priest was with me in Baltimore when I first got to Baltimore. That's right. He was a backup to Jamal Lewis. Jamal Lewis, that's right. I got Jamal with that. Yeah. And I said, man, people don't realize how good Priest is.

Yeah. And Priest backed up Ricky Williams at UT. Made that big play in the Big 12 championship game. Yeah. Priest was on the draft. He was. He went on the draft. And again, and again, got with the Chiefs.

Al Saunders, Dick Vermeule brought that greatest show on turf offense. And he took off. Went crazy. Put it like Marshall F crazy. Went crazy. Exactly. That's crazy. The priest. Ray Lewis? Nobody in this draft. Not in this draft. Not in this draft.

Not in this one. Oh. Oh, man. Dante, appreciate you stopping by, bro. Thank you, bro. All the best, man. I'll see you back. Likewise, man.

Good to see you. Good to see you, boys. Let's go. Hey. Hey. Hey. You ready? Okay, get mic'd up. Look at this.

So there's your best players. Yeah. We got Jalen Walker, Will Johnson, Amaria Hampton, and Josh Simmons. You think they take Josh Simmons? The OT? Hey, coming to the stage to join us now,

NFL Hall of Famer, missed one snap in his whole career. Slim Jim jumped over. NFL Hall of Famer, missed one snap in his whole career. Slim Jim, jump Thomas. Come on, whatever you want to say there, bro. Joe, you look good, baby. You guys looking good, man. But let me ask, how much did you play at when you played? About 320.

320. What? Yeah. You played a concerted effort. You say, once I'm done with football, I'm going down to what number? 250. When I was 18, I was 250. That's where I want to get to when I retire.

So how long did it take you to get 70 pounds off? Six months. So what did you do? You changed your diet, exercise? Yeah, so I stopped eating all carbs. Okay. I really got into swimming. Okay.

Because swimming's really hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially when you're big boned, big guy. I was fighting drowning the whole time. It's really hard. It is. So when you exert yourself like that, I was just conscious of what I ate. Right.

But also, I had to eat a lot to be able to be 320. Right. So in other words, you're really not a naturalist. You're a big guy, but not an overly big guy. Big by normal humanity standards. But by NFL alignment standards, I was small. I had to eat myself into that body. How hard is it for you to stay at this size based on the structure?

It's not too bad. The only time it's really challenging is if I close my eyes and still think I'm a lineman when I pull myself up to the kitchen table and I got like five plates. Right. Yeah, but I just got to make sure that's like once a month. You know, you just got to make sure it's not every day. Okay.

Your team, the Cleveland Browns, they trade back, pick up an extra couple draft picks, or even a first rounder next year. You like the move. So from a mathematical standpoint, you know, you look at the draft charts and the trade charts. Right. It was a really good trade for them.

Yes. But you lost out on Travis Hunter. That hurts. Yeah. Because, you know, he's such a locker room guy. He's a culture guy. He loves the game. You hope he'd be there for 15 years and be that leader in that locker room.

Yes. That's what you need. Right. And, shit, he can play two positions. Yes. He can play receiver. Two for the price of one. Two for the price of one.

You can't pay him two contracts. Right. Everybody needs more receivers. Everybody needs more corners. Yes. I would have liked him. But I still think I like the guy they got to be able to pair with Miles Garrett. The pick is in

for the Falcons. Looked like they're going with the edge guy from Georgia. John Walker? Yeah. Linebacker. You did say linebacker. I thought they were going to go defense. Will Johnson or linebacker.

Hometown kid. Played at the University of Georgia Salisbury in North Carolina. Right at home. Right at home. I like that suit. What do we think about that drip? That's nice. I like it.

It's looking good. The guy's getting it. Dressing. Dressing is a thing now. It is. When I came to the league, hey, guys coming with sweats, you know. Guys coming in with Hermes bags, Goyard, drip down. I didn't want to be thinking about that at all.

When we traveled, the same red polo and khaki pants. Every time. Didn't have to think about it. Didn't want to worry about it. No, you saved a lot of money doing it. Saved a lot of money, yeah. The Taylors didn't like me very much. You like his pick? You like his pick for

the Falcons, Joe? I think it's good, you know, adding edge pressure, a guy that's flexible, that you can do a lot of things, you know. As a defensive coordinator, you like those guys that you can fit all over the place. Build little packages for him to get after the quarterback, drop into coverage if you want him to be able to get into some of those zone drops.

And obviously he's a dude. Oh, yeah. The one thing about Georgia, if you want him to be able to get into some of those zone drops. And obviously he's a dude. Oh, yeah. The one thing about Georgia, if you look at them, they're going to have some edge rushers, linebackers, and D tackles. Oh, yeah. They're going to have those. Kirby took a page out of Nick Saban's book because you know in Alabama, he had DT, edge, and linebacker.

Yeah, you've got to win up front. You've got to have a solid front seven. Look at the close. Look at that speed right there. They must have a good strength coach because all them dudes are huge, fast, strong. Look at that. You got to help. They like their linebacker six foot six, one, 230, 245, as high as they go.

Yeah, able to go sideline. Yeah, they have, man. They go hunting. Those guys go hunting. Oh, yeah. He knows it to go sideline. Yeah, they go hunting. Those guys go hunting. Oh, yeah. He knows it. He's pumped. Hometown guy. He's from North Carolina,

but think about it. Athens is a lot of way. He brought the same house. Saved some money. How far is it? Athens is about from where he practices, probably 30 minutes, 40 minutes. He's got to do nothing.

Right. Because they practice up in Flowery Branch. Right. Beautiful. I like this pick. You know, you've got a quarterback. They've got good receivers. They've got Kyle Pearson. You know, you got a quarterback. They got good receivers. They got Kyle Pinson tight end.

Kyle needs to bounce back. Yeah. He had that great rookie season, Joe. He needs to bounce back. He needs to put some seasons together now. Yeah, I think for him, he needs just consistency of the quarterback play, right? Right. You know what it's like if you got a different quarterback in there.

It just takes some time to be able to build that rapport. There have been a few receivers that have been able to manage the quarterback carousel. For a tight end like Pitts, he needs consistency at that position. Getting hurt as well, messing up ACL, it doesn't help you. What do you think about the Cardinals?

What do the Cardinals need? That's a good question. Who is it? Will Johnson. Quarterback from Michigan. We'll see. I don't know. I think that would be's a good question. Who is it? Will Johnson. Quarterback from Michigan. We'll see. I don't know. I think that'd be a pretty good pick. Once you start getting into the middle rounds, if you're not targeting a quarterback, you take the best available.

You don't try to pick a guy based on what you need. You just pick football players. That's where it gets hard at. I know. You know what happens? You end up picking the best available player. Isn't Murphy still there? Some guy comes behind him, and he's a seven-time All-Pro.

If I'd have known that, I would have taken him. Well, they're standing up. Pick is in. There we go. They're not wasting any time. That's what we're looking like with the pick. Will Johnson. He said, here, what's your name?

Amir says Will Johnson. I told him that first. Amir Stradamus. I told him that first, Joe. Cheat. All right. You're cheating. That's what we're hearing. That's what we're hearing. Here's the thing we're talking to Dante I said look and everybody was saying this if Shador doesn't go to doesn't go to New Orleans at nine nobody else until they get to 21 needs a

quarterback yeah so you could see a precipitous fall but I tell people all the time, Joe, it's not how high you go, it's where you go. Where you go is more important than going high. And I said, look, I know it's your dream, oh, I want to go number one, I want to go this. But you go to the wrong situation. Yeah. You'll be in trouble.

Well, the other thing is, you know, in your mind you're like, I want to make the most money, I want to be the drafted highest. It's such a small amount of difference at this part of the draft. And plus, as a quarterback, you make your money on your second deal anyway. So go to the best situation, even if it's in the second round, where they can build around you. Everybody's money is in your second contract. So it's not how much money.

It's how long you make money. You can make money for four years, or you can make money for 14 years. What? I'm going to bring some out. I'll bring it out. You can make money for 14 years. What? Wow. I'm going to bring some out. I'll bring it out. Wow. Put it in my bag.

Detail. I got my own beef. Detail from old beef. I raised my own cattle. I brought some sticks for you guys. Don't worry. It's coming out later. All right.

Appreciate it. I got a hat for you. I know it's your style, guys. Don't worry. It's coming out later. All right. Appreciate it. I got a hat for you. I know it's your style, too. Don't worry. I'll send you some free stuff. Appreciate that. What do you call them? A de-tactful.

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to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. He became known as the Iran-Contra Affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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