Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Odell Beckham to Dolphins, Lakers Fire Darvin Ham, Travis Hunter's future

Episode Date: May 5, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discuss the Miami Dolphins adding Odell Beckham, the Lakers moving on from Darvin Ham & debate whether Travis Hunter is a WR or DB at the next level. 03:30 - OBJ signs to Dolphins23:27 - Lakers fired Darvin Ham33:31 - Lonzo Ball Player option38:36 - Cowboy fans at Parsons43:25 - Travis Hunter WR or CB51:25 - Q and Ayyyy01:14:20 - Much More Nightcap! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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next six weeks. See who's going to get involved. Who's going to drop. We're going to see what's happening. In other news, wide receiver room in the NFL. More star power for the Miami Dolphins. The team just agreed for a one-year deal with Odell Beckham Jr. adding him to a position group that already features five-time all-pro Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle who posted three since his rookie season three straight

1,000 yard season to start a career the deal is worth three million dollars with incentives that can push the max value to 8.25. Hill and Waddle have been the most productive wide receivers tandem since joining forces in 2022. But no receiver behind those two has eclipsed 32 catches in either of the past two seasons. Miami reliance on the star duo became apparent late in the season when both Hill and Waddle battled through injuries. As an NFL insider reported, Chiefs were appealing to wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. Money won right over there. They were probably trying to penny pinch. They were trying to penny pinch.

So what made more sense to me, to me, well, you can get more here down in Miami. Obviously, we have no tax. And then the offense, I'm not saying we have packed them home, but we do have a quarterback by the name of Tua, who is a Samoan warrior who is efficient as well when it comes

to throwing the ball, as you can look and see what Jalen Waddell and Tyreek have done since they've been with him. You add Odell Beckham, who is still very, very, very good at what he does to that offense, who will probably play in the slot most of the time and will dominate short,

intermediate routes. And on short, intermediate routes, if you watch Odell throughout the years, he can still hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field. Shallow routes, slant routes. He can go deep still. So I'm excited. I'm excited. Now that offense just got a little bit scary because there's nothing wrong with Odell at all. Obviously he played with the Ravens

last year. But injuries have robbed him. He's not the same guy Ocho. He hasn't had a thousand yard season since 2018, but he's not used in a way where he can put up those type of numbers as well. Now, we have to remember that as well.

Well, how are you going to do that? I'm not saying he needs to put up a thousand. I'm saying he's still... Listen, let me say something real quick, and this is what I'll do. Respect everybody. 80% Odell Beckham, even with the injuries,

is better than 90% of what we have in the NFL at receiver right now. Do you agree or disagree with me? Wait, you didn't say do you agree or disagree with me? But here's the thing. He's 80%. But no, because context matters. 80% of Odell as the third

option. He's not a third option receiver. Wait, let me finish. Based on injuries that have happened, we are thinking he's a third receiver. To me, we're getting a low

end one or two that we're seeing as a three because of situations that have occurred throughout his career. He ain't nowhere near, he ain't no goddamn three. Shit. No, sir. Oh, in this situation, he's a three.

I see what you're saying, but I'm telling you what he's not. Yes. I'm telling you what he's not because of what he's still... How? So how... Based on what?

What do you base your vote and knowing what he can do. That's all. Listen, he wasn't in Baltimore. In Baltimore, the plays that he made, he wasn't throwing the ball enough to show you that he can still do what I know he can do. Because I know he can do it is what I'm telling you. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with him.

He's the third option. You're not looking at that. You're going and thinking, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, there's no Tyreek, there's no Jalen Waddle. Okay. But he's there. I get what you're saying.

I'm just telling you, even, even if he's a three, he's a three, right? Most of the, most of the balls, there's only one ball to go around.

Yes. Most of them are going to go to go to Tyreek. Yes. Some are going to go right. Tyreek. But the, the few that he will get, he going to do the most with,

let me say that. Can I do that? Is that okay? Okay. Yes. Yeah. But I do that? Is that okay? Okay. Yes. The last couple of years, he had, what did he have? He had 500. He had less than 600

last year. I think he had less than 600 with the Rams. He had 300 with the little part of Cleveland. Yes. No, I'm saying his last year because remember he got traded

at the deadline. He missed a year. So, you know, that Super Bowl year, he missed a year and then last year. Yes, sir. The problem is, Ocho, is that the injuries we don't get healthier as we get older.

He's had the ACL. Yeah. He's had the broken ankle. So to ask and to expect, I know what he once was, but I don't believe he still possessed that. And now he's the third guy in a situation. Yeah. That's what's tough. You know what?

I'm glad people are thinking like that, including you. That's a good thing. Because I want, when we go into the season, I want teams that are playing the Dolphins, I want them to view Odell as a goddamn third. I want them to view, I want you to view Odell as a goddamn third. I want them to view. I want you to put your goddamn third or second corner. Oh, Joe. Wait, let me finish.

Let me finish. I want you to put your second or your third corner on Odell. And when you get cooked every goddamn game, then you get a better understanding. We're going to touch on this again when the season starts, when Odell is out there cooking with Tyreek. Remember the goddamn 2012 Arizona Cardinals? Uh-huh.

Remember that? Now, if we see, if we get that again this year in Miami, remember I told you first. Remember, chat, remember I told you first, goddamn Odell, Tyreek, and Jalen Waddle will all have 1,000 yards.

Just like the goddamn 2012 Cardinals. Yeah, but you got a real... Wait, not 2012. What year was that? 08 or something. 08, I'm sorry. I got my damn years all wrong. Ocho.

Yes, sir. In other words, you're saying put your third... So you want them to put their first or second corner on Odell and then put their third, second, and third corner

on Waddle and Tyreek. Matter of fact, it don't matter what number corner you put on either of the three. It don't matter. They're going to get washed anyway. You know where the coverage is going, Ocho.

You know who gets the coverage. It goes Tyreek. It goes Waddle. It goes—that's how it was when he was— So let me ask you a question. When he was with the Rams, who got the number one corner? Cooper Cup or Odeo? Cup.

So when he went to Baltimore, Zay got the number one. Right. So when he goes to Miami, who's going to get the number one corner? One. Yeah. Three. Ten.

Ten, yeah. The alien. The alien. Yeah, I'm not, so I'm not saying Odell can't go be productive, but do I believe he'll ever be what he once was? I do not. Okay, let's,

you know what, I love making bets with you because you in the hole, you in the red what he once was? I do not. Okay. You know what? I love making bets with you because you in the hole. You in the red right now. No, I'm up. How do you? Okay. I bet you Odell have 1,000 yards this season. Bet.

I understand. Do you understand it's a passing league now? Have you seen the Dolphins offense? Yeah. They throw the ball 100 times a game. You just said Tyreek is getting double, right? Tyreek's going to get

I think on average, Tyreek probably is going to have 170. Let's just say he has conservatively he has 180 targets. That means Jalen Waters is going to have about 153. Now, he's only going to throw 500 times

so you're going to split the other target Odell Beckham can do more with less he can do more with less he's in a well you know what there was a passing offense with St. Louis as well I mean Los Angeles I'm sorry

this is the passing offense. They're going to let that thing rip. I'm telling you now, when they go into games and teams say, you know what? We are taking away Tyreek from hell or high water

no matter what. Yeah. Okay. I'm telling you, he's going to eat now. I'm telling you. I'm telling you that. I want him to have success, but I just don't see the opportunities

that's going to be presented to him. I just explained it to you. Yeah, I understand. Okay. Your third option. 17-17 game season, right? Yeah. Hey, Breeson, Breeson, Breeson, what was his name?

The third receiver for the Cardinals that year? Yeah, the Cardinals, yeah. Breeson, he was the third option. You know that he third the third receiver for the Cardinals that year yeah the Cardinals he was the third option you know that he had a thousand yards you know that right yes okay all right I just want to make sure we're on the same page but turn it but here's the thing when you look at it you look how how I don't think

Fitz got the number of targets that Tyreek did and the second option didn't get the number of targets that Tyreek did. And the second option didn't get the number of targets that Waddle did. You see what I'm saying? They were so good. Listen, Odell is so good at the catch. Jalen Waddle is so good at the catch.

That's why I keep saying, even when it comes to short and intermediate routes, Odell gonna hit his head off the goalpost on a shallow. He gonna hit his head off the goalpost on a shallow. He going to hit his head off the goalpost on a slant. He can take, he can still, still to this day, because we saw him do it in Baltimore last year,

taking a slant and go to the house. He can still do that. Yes. Even with the injuries. Now I know because of circumstance, because of the situation, you're a little older now, you're coming to the Dolphins, everybody's

going to see him as a three. His skill set is not that of a three, even though that's what he is going to be. That's all I'm trying to say. Do you believe he still possess the same capabilities of 2018 prior to him breaking his ankle?

You think physically he's that same guy. That would be him at 100%. Right now, even after two ACL injuries, because of his skill set, it's a little better than everyone else's. He's still like 85%, 90%. And that

is very good. So let me ask you a question. Do you believe Odell is a top 20 receiver right now? As you and I have this conversation, top 20. Top 20? Yes. You're goddamn right. Don't disrespect O like that.

Come on now. Don't do that. Come on. Don't do that. Don't do that. Come on now. Top 20? Come on.

Oh, hell. Time out. Time out. I got to walk off real quick. Hold on. Go ahead. Cat, y'all believe Odell top 20 receiver still right now?

Come on now. Come on, man. Give me a piece. You're going to disrespect Odell like that? Come on, man. I'm just asking a conversation. Top 20? I had to walk off, man. Okay, well, guess what?

We can do it right now. Okay, hold on. Let's go. Hold on. We can have a conversation right now. Okay. Tyreek. Is he better than Tyreek? No, keep going.

Keep going. Devontae. Puka Cooper Cupp CD let's go to the two guys from Philly Smith and what's the other big receiver name? A.J. Brown.

A.J. Brown. Okay. Let's go to let's go to the A.F. Tyreek, Devontae, Jalen. Go Jalen Waddle. You still believe he's better than your

What we got? Talk to me. What's the guy from Tennessee? Play with the Texans. D-Hop. D-Hop. Oh, yeah. D-Hop, that boy. Listen, D-Hop, probably one of the best pass... Excuse me.

D-Hop is probably up there with Chris Carter and Larry Fitzgerald as one of the best pass catchers of all time. Mike Evans. Mr. Consistency. Okay. What number you on? Stephon Diggs. That's my boy.

The guy from the Lions. Armand St. Brown. Okay. Okay. Okay. Where we at? Where we at now? What number you on? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12.

I'm at 12 right now. Okay. Come on, now. Yeah, come on. You like him better than Brandon Aiyuk? Oh, I like Aiyuk. I like that we got you. What about Debo?

Okay. Brandon Aiyuk. Oh, I like Aiyuk. I like that we got you. What about Debo? Okay, what about Keenan Allen? DK Metcalf? Tank Dale, Nico Collins. Which one you like? Okay, what about the guy? Hold on. What about the guy at the Jazz? You love the guy at the Jazz. He was raving about it. Garrett Wilson.

Garrett Wilson. Okay, where we at now? Where we at? Hold on. What about the guy at the Jazz? You love the guy at the Jazz. Oh, Garrett Wilson. Okay, where we at now? Where we at? Hold on. Olave. So right now, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17.

We're at 18 right now. Justin Jefferson, Jamar Chase. I didn't put him in there yet. Right, right. Oh, you was waiting on purpose? I did. I did because I was waiting on you to say, well, he better than that one. Okay, so now I get JJ.

Now I get Jamar Chase. Okay, what about your guy at Pittsburgh, George Pickens? Oh, I like George. That's my dog. So now we're at 21. That's Pick. So we at Pickens. Okay. Okay, what about your guy at Baltimore that's picked so we have okay okay okay what about you guys

baltimore that you raved about last year was they flowers they flowers zay that's 22 we're at 22 right now okay all right stop right there stop where you at okay we have 22 players right yes think about the opportunities these 22 players are afforded to be in that top 22 all i ask you i ask you i say did you hear what i said oh no that's not what the question was i said oh joe do you believe oh as we sit here and have this conversation yes sir obj is a top 20 receiver you got up and walked off i just put 22 guys and you and i didn just put 22 guys and I didn't put Tank Dale and I didn't put Nico Collins in there. I did not put Amari Cooper in that list.

That's 24-25. I forgot about Coop. I know you did, but I didn't put Pittman up in the ending. I didn't put him in there. I didn't put Drake London in there. So I'm just asking you. DJ Marr, I didn't put Drake London in there so I'm just asking you DJ Mar I didn't put him in there

hmm hey you know what honestly 80% Odell even at 80% Odell that's not what you said that was not the chat y'all heard chat stay with me stay with me now that's not what you said chat you heard me I said. Chat, y'all heard? Chat, stay with me. Stay with me now. That's not what you said. Chat,

you heard me. I said, Ocho, if you and I have a conversation, do you believe Odell is a top 20 receiver as we sit here? You say, my buddy, my buddy, and I gotta walk up. I can't believe you said that. You know what? I don't think, you know what? I think, you know what?

Then you came back. Then you came back and did this. I can't believe you said that. We have forgotten how good and transcending Odell was with the fact that we're not

putting him in top 20. I've been saying yes! Yes! We have really forgotten. I don't forget nothing. I didn't mention Terry McLaurin. I didn't mention McLaurin. Or Jahan Dotson.

Yeah. Okay. All right, go ahead. All right, you right. You right. I didn't mention McLaurin. Or Jahan Dotson. Yeah. Okay. All right. Go ahead. All right. You're right. You're right. All right.

All right, Ben. I'm going to let you have that one. I'm going to let you have that one. I'm not saying to O'Neal. I guarantee you, I guarantee you when the numbers look different this year in Miami and he have a thousand, a thousand something yards along with Tyreek and Daniel Waddle, remember I said it first. I want him to.

And you know, you love all those young receivers in Green Bay. Especially Tristan Watson. Oh my God, I got to walk off again. Oh, you were talking about bad young boy, bad young boy, damn young boy. Hey, that trio, that trio in Green Bay. Oh, yes. Oh, the boy is so nice, man. Oh, and I didn't put your other guy.

I didn't put T. I didn't put T. Higgins. Oh, hey. Hey, I don't like, see, I don't like when you break shit down like that, man. Now you got, you got, you got my back against the wall, man. Hey, I don't like, see, I don't like when you break shit down like that, man. Because now you got my back against the wall, man. Hey, golly. But that's what I'm saying. These guys, I mean, the league, I mean, because, like you said, it's a passing league.

These guys, all these seven-on-seven caps, all these guys are technically saying can run the round. So, Cho, you remember when you first, when you got in the league, there was only a handful of guys. Not all these guys shaking people up. Hey, can I tell you something? Yes. All these guys

that's in the league right now running routes? Yeah. Ain't none of them still running routes like me. Devontae, Devontae, Devontae of all those guys,

Devontae and Keenan. Keenan Allen, I think Devontae and Keontae of all those guys. Devontae and Keenan. Keenan Allen. I think Devontae and Keenan Allen of the group that we named are your best routers. Cooper. Cooper. Oh yeah. Listen. But what I would love to see

I would love to see because I'm not saying he's a product of the system. And what McVay does because we've seen Pookaunuku come in and do the same stuff as far as numbers. I would love to see outside of that

scheme. Can you do it off the muscle like a Keenan Allen? Listen, we're going to line you up like Marvin Harrison or like Jimmy Smith. We're going to put you on the right side of the ball and we ain't going to put you in motion. We're not going to condense your split. We want you to just get open.

First down, second down, third down, no matter what. But again, Hooper Cup, oh man, he's a fucking magician. Shit, hell, Hunter Renfro is a goddamn magician. I mean, just, oh man, brilliant. The receiving core, I mean, just, oh man, brilliant.

The receiving core, the tight end core, these guys are getting better. They understand they have to be better because it's more of a passing league and the more pass you can catch. And I mean, the more you can help the offense, especially from a tight end standpoint, the better you are. Guys are not, look, the likelihood,

there are a handful of guys. You get George Kittle. George Kittle is the most complete tight end. Because he can block really well. Block really well. He's like a grump. But you see more guys like Kelsey. You see Laporta. You see Hawkinson.

You see the Mark Andrews, the Likelys. Those guys. That's where we're headed. That's where we're headed. Well, ain't headed headed we're already there now but look I hope I just want OBJ to be stay healthy

he will because I'm waiting I'm helping him find a place here and I'm going to be Odell's nutritionist so we talked a little bit we're going to have a meeting tomorrow me and Odell we're going to sit down we're going to come up with a game plan to ensure that he can play

not just a 17-game season, but he can play the playoffs after that. I'm mapping everything out. Matter of fact, that's what I was doing before the show while I was watching the fight. I was getting everything together for O. I'm finding my place. I'm his realtor. I'm a nutritionist.

I'm going to help him. No, Rail is real. I'm his realtor. I'm a nutritionist and I'm going to help him. No, Rell is realtor. Huh? Rell is realtor. No, I work for Rell. You know I got my real estate license,

right? Man, you ain't even got a driver's license, let alone, as a matter of fact, you ain't got a fishing license. No, I'm not joking.

You didn't know I had my real estate license? When I got with her, she made me take the courses and the classes. I passed the test, so I'm working under her. You didn't know I had my real estate license? When I got with her, she made me take the courses and the classes. I passed the test, so I'm working under her. You got a fishing license?

Fishing? No, you know, I don't fish. I don't like that water now. I know you ain't got no fishing. Yeah, I ain't like that water. Because, you know, I get seasick. You know you can shore fish, right? Huh?

You know you can shore fish, right? Oh, I ain't. I ain't put my feet in that water. You don't know what's in that water. No, that means you stay... You don't know what's in that water. No, that means you stand... You don't know what's in that water now. You know, shit I hear in Florida bite you.

Ocho. Oh, no. Shore fish means you stand on the banks and fish from the shore. Listen, the only banks I'm going to stand on is the banks of Jordan. That's it. Man, that's a joke, yeah? The lake is on Friday... I bet nobody in the chat

caught that one. You got to be old school. Bad-ass joke in here, boy. The Lakers on Friday dismissed Darvin Hamm after two seasons in which both ended in losses to the Denver Nuggets.

He went to playoffs in both seasons and last year he went to the Western Conference Finals. The next half of the Lakers, we did fourth coach in seven seasons. They didn't bring back Luke Walton after his third season. They canned Frank Vogel after the third season, in a season in which he won the championship and not him.

Who do you think they turn to next? If the Lakers are hoping to talk to Ty Lue this offseason, the Clippers may get in the way and block the Lakers from talking to him. I don't. The problem that I have is that you don't accomplish anything by keep changing coaches. You get no continuity. You got a different voice every two to three years.

Yeah. Yeah. How about this? At what point does the organization, at what point do the players take accountability? They don't? You know what? It's us. It's us. How about LeBron and AD? How about LeBron and AD? I love LeBron and AD. And I'm sure they probably going to text me and curse me out for this. But how about when you lose a series instead of underlying and throwing the coach under the bus, how about you say, you know what? This is on us. Yeah. This is on us.

What we can't do and what we can't allow the media to do to allow the weight of the pressure on our failures to go on a head coach. Because he's doing his job. He's not on the court. We're on the court. We're the ones responsible for us going home. That's it.

And it has nothing to do with Darwin Ham. That's, I mean, that's just me. That's how I would have saved my coach because, you know, players get coaches fired. You know what that's saying?

Players get coaches fired. And we didn't live up to the expectations that the Lakers are used to. Look, what I don't like is that they gave up an awful lot to get Russell Westbrook. Only two people

thought that would work. LeBron James and Anthony Davis. No exact... I thought it would work too. I like Russ. No, it's not about like. You got to see how this thing blends. I mean, his style of play doesn't fit?

His style of play, their style of play. Nobody, no exec, nobody that's on television that do this. Right. But what you gave up to get him, you gave up all your draft compensation. You gave up depth. You gave up a Kuz. You gave up a KCP. You let Caruso walk, who was your best wing defender.

Hey, I like Caruso. He good on defense so now everybody put this on the head coach I'm sure if you'd ask Darvin Ham Darvin Ham would say nah I mean first of all Frank Vogel would have said no Darvin Ham damn sure would have

said no but AD and LeBron AD and LeBron Russell Westbrook was in LA because AD and LeBron wanted that tobrook, was in L.A. because A.D. and LeBron wanted that to happen. Right. And when it blew up, it got Frank Vogel fired. And they got no draft compensation because they could have had DeMar DeRozan. DeMar DeRozan came on Club Shea Shea and said he would be willing to take a pay cut to play for the team that he grew up watching.

Right. But what did they do? Gave up all their draft capital, all their debt, and signed Russ. And his contract handicapped him. Because it was two years and over $90 million.

So let's not put this on Darvin Ham. Is Darvin Ham ever going to be thought of as Pat Riley or Phil Jackson? No. No, no. But this is not on darvin ham is darvin ham is darvin ham ever going to be thought of as pat riley or phil jackson no no no but this is not on darvin ham see every this is what i know about players great players a lot of players everybody wants to be coached until it's time to actually coach you you gotta hey you know you blame somebody else and i was one of the guys somebody else make a mistake because I can take it. Hey, Sharp, you got to do this,

but my mic got to make the play. I know who you're trying to say. I mean, they are coachable, right? You're not saying they're not coachable, are you? No? Everybody was. I think based on their resume and what they've done throughout their careers, I would say that that there had there has to be some some some coaching where they become sponge like and they actually listen. No, I don't know.

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Palenka... Wait, did I say that right? Rob Palenka? Yeah, Palenka. Yeah, see, I know my shit. Rob Palenka, you know what? That's on me. How about you get in front of the camera like Jerry Jones just one time? You know what? This is on me.

It's okay. Do it. Most general managers are going to do what the best players suggest they do. They got Kevin Durant went to go to state because Steph, Clay, and Draymond signed off on it. Right. Had they said no, it wouldn't have happened. If AD and LeBron says no, we think we'd be better served with someone other than Russ.

Russ wouldn't have been in LA. Budenhoser, if Giannis didn't want him gone, he wouldn't be gone. If Adrian Griffin, 43 games in the season, he's 30 and 13, he's gone because that's what yannis wanted it's as simple as that this is not no shannon no everybody knows this y'all know this in the chat it's really it's really that simple the only guy that couldn't get bullied, two guys couldn't get bullied, Jerry Krause and Pat Riley. Right.

Because everybody that Jordan wanted to get, Jerry Krause said no. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Right. That's crazy. Pat Riley says no. Pat Riley empowered Eric Spoelstra. Whatever y'all do, we'll lose a draw. Y'all gonna do it with him.

Because I ain't coming down. And I ain't firing him. So y'all decide. Figure it out. Yeah, Spoelstra's a great coach, man. No true super, I'm talking about super duper, super duper stars. And continuously making it to the playoffs and getting it done. Right. You know, you see, well,

they have an opportunity to get Kyrie. I don't know if they had the assets to get it. Right. You have no draft compensation. That's the thing. Now, maybe if you'd have kept that draft compensation, maybe you have enough pieces now to give Brooklyn.

Okay, we'll give you two, three first rounders. We'll give you solid players for Kevin Durant and pair him with Anthony Davis. Or somebody else, Dane. Now imagine you got Dane. You got first-round picks. And you got Kuz and some of these other guys. But look, he's gone now.

What they should have done is hired Ty Lue from the jump. That's who LeBron really, really wanted, Ty Lue. But they were unwilling to give him the deal. They wanted to make two years and then auction. Like, no, I want five years. And unfortunately, I don't believe Ty Lue's going to win with the Clippers because his best player is always hurt come playoff time. He got balking knees.

And he signed Kawhi. They know that's a bad contract, but they're going into a new building next year and you got to have stars. Stars make you bring you out. Put fans in the seats. Yes. What about J.J. Redick? I saw his name in the pot too.

Well, I saw that the Charlotte Hornets were interested in J.J. Reddick. Oh, I thought it was the Lakers. Or both. That was the first. I just heard that recently. I think a lot of people are trying to put two and two together

because LeBron is doing a podcast with J.J. And so they're trying to connect the dots. And maybe that is. I didn't really look at it like that. I like it. I like it. I like it. But I just don't think you can just keep hiring coaches. I just don't think that's conducive for winning.

Name somebody that they've had how many head coaches in the last seven years for? Yeah. The cycle will continue to repeat itself. Yeah. Yeah. So, Lonzo Ball had exercised his player option for the 2024 season, locking in his salary at $21.4 million

for next season. The decision was a no-brainer, given Lonzo hasn't played since January of 2022 due to knee problems. He's undergone serious procedures on the troublesome left knee, including cartilage transplant in 2023. They can transplant cartilage now?

Yeah, we just talked about that the other day. I better go get this on. You can't. Well, he did it. I mean, but he's but he younger he younger than you you want you want to open up open up your knee this late in the day

they gonna put some cartilage in there and have me up there jumping put this 40 inch vertical on y'all again yeah 48 40 oh 40 now you know you ain't had no 40-inch vertical, now.

Come on, now. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Three times state champ in the triple jump. Three. All right. Show me some footage.

Three times, Ocho. I mean, look, that was a no brainer considering you haven't played in all but by the time the season run around it's going to be two and a half years since you last played you know if you were to opt out you're not getting 21 million so the best thing you could do hey let me get this

because moving forward he's probably going to be on a one year deal where he has to prove himself every year and then he gets another bag. No, no, no. I can't give you another bag. Based on this history, these leads might go out at any time. So you don't think if

he plays and plays healthy and proves himself throughout the entirety of the year, the chances of getting a new deal, a big bag is not possible? I don't think so. Not with his injury history. Okay, okay, okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. Yeah.

So, I hope he can get back. I hope he can get back on the court. I hope he can, you know, heal up and show. And plus, you know, hey, they took Lonzo.

They could have got Jason Tatum. They could have got Darren Fox. Lakers could have got Tatum? Yeah, they took Lonzo Ball. Hmm. Damn. So they've made some mistakes. They've made some mistakes they've made some mistakes

they let Caruso go he was your best wing defender what could they do this year they didn't have anybody that could really stay in front of Jamal Jamal Murray they struggled they struggled with point guards Shea, De'Aaron Fox

any point guard that had any level of speed change of direction, it was a problem for them. Bam. Lakers will be back. Cowboy fans are reportedly mad at Michael Parsons wrestling at Sumo Wrestling Tokyo. Clips of

Michael Parsons taking on a sumo wrestler during a trip gone viral. The first round, obviously, didn't go exactly as Parsons. CJ Stroud, clown Parsons, with the too small gesture with the sumo wrestler, mimic as well. Parsons quickly asked for a rematch. The two-time Pro Bowler came out with extra force in round two. After a few seconds of struggle within the dojo, Parsons was able to shove his opponent out of the circle. Parsons returned the favor and said, too small, even posted a clip on Twitter

with a triumphant caption, one thing you won't do is disrespect the lion and think I'm not finna lock in, wrote Parsons. Also, I'm having to Ocho's feed now I used to watch Sumo they used to have the summer dojo

and the spring dojo the bar shows when the Sumo wrestlers and they try to go you know try to get the rank um um what happened to Ocho's and they try to go, you know, try to get the rank. Those Zekis. What happened to Ocho's feet? Just went out.

I can understand, you know, why people are upset. It's like, bro. You guys went out in the first round. And it was in bad fashion, and they were very upset. But I just think if I'm Micah, I'm going to be cautious. If I'm going to get hurt, I'm going to get hurt doing football-related stuff. But at the end of the day, these kids are young. They think they're invincible.

And he says, this is my offseason. I can do with it what I like. I'm just going to be careful. If I get hurt, I'm going to be running 40s. I'm going to be training to do football, you know,

the bag, bending the edge, running around the town, things of that nature. But fortunately for him, no injuries. I'm boiling. What do you guys think? Y'all upset at Michael for doing that? Okay.

Ochocho the internet you see what happens when you cheat yeah I hear you you back you sure I hear you Ocho hey okay okay

you can hear me and you know you know my neighbor my neighbor they tried to block me off their goddamn wifi man yeah they should

yeah you know you know I'm using they shit. I'm using the hotspot from they shit. Well, speaking of sumo wrestlers, about a month ago, I think about a month ago, the most famous American

sumo wrestler, his name, his give birth name was Chad Rowan. His sumo name was Aki Bono. He passed away. I used to watch him and Takana Hana, Wakana Hana.

I used to love sumo wrestling. Yeah, yeah. It's an interesting sport. Yeah, yeah. They throw the little salt and ward the spirits off. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but why are fans upset about Micah doing sumo wrestling? Because you can get hurt.

You can get hurt. If I'm going to get hurt, I'm going to get hurt doing sumo stuff. I mean, not sumo stuff. Football related stuff. Yeah. Listen, you can't live your life like that, man. You can't live your life. Mike is young.

Mike is young. He's enjoying himself. It's the offseason. He's training right now, even though he is in Tokyo. This is a time you sort of gradually build yourself back up into getting in the playing shape. Or as far as I'm concerned, we're in May now. You get yourself into um ota shape so you know doing a little sumo stuff you're probably gonna come to o o o o o

ota's because he ain't got no contract oh that's right that's right he probably gonna show up to you yeah but you know you're working though you know you're working you know yeah yeah i'm not worried about that yeah but that's i i think I think that's neither here nor there. Just having some fun enjoying the culture out there while you're in Tokyo. And he wrestled, too. He wrestled... In high school. Yeah, in high school. So, just neither here nor there.

I think he'll be fine. I enjoyed it. The video was cool. It was cool as hell to see that. Ocho, your tweet went viral earlier today. Travis Hunter, someone said highlights, talents of the cornerback, and said, I want to watch the video and tell me a straight face that Travis Hunter is a wide receiver at the next level.

Yeah. Yes, sir, he's a wide receiver at the next level. You're showing what we call instinct, film study. Clay, he's a two-way player. He's not going to play two ways in NFL. Not to start. I have a question. Yes. What did Champ Bailey do when he came in the NFL? Not

immediately. I mean, he had a few plays. Okay. Stay with me now. He did it, though. What did Charles Wilson do when he came in the NFL? He had a few plays. Okay. Even Deion had a few plays. Deion, what did he do? Yeah. He had more of those plays when he was in Dallas right anywhere else uh and then eventually he was straight Charles got no more plays

offensively right right right right right it's just it's just too hard though Joe it is too hard especially at the highest level but again yes to me I just didn't like the fact that we're saying, oh, he's a DB and he can't play receiver when he's very good at receiver as well. He's a two way player. And what we saw in those clips that the guy, Clay, Clay, I'm, high IQ when it comes to watching film and knowing what's coming because of that film study, he's a ball hawk and he's good at what he does on both sides of the ball. And again, we can show clips of Travis Hunter playing receiver as well and showing he is elite at that position as well. So it all depends on what he wants to play or what he's more comfortable with as far as when he goes to the next level.

The fact that he's able to do both is at a pretty damn high level I think is really good. I think for me, I think he's better suited to play defensive back. I watched him. It's not like,

he doesn't get off the ball. Ocho, he can't get off press. He's just using athleticism. At this point in time, if you can't get off press, you ain't going to the next level to learn how to get off press. You better learn how to do that before you get there. It has to already be installed in you. You got to work on it in the offseason.

Yeah. But listen, those are things that you can fix because he's so agile. He's so quick. His quick twitch fibers are really good. So you get him down here with somebody like Goldfeet Global or get him out here with some people out here

like Receiver Factory, man, they get that together in about two, three months. He'd be out there slicing and dicing that. I think, Ocho, I think me personally, I think he's gotten away with receiver just on athleticism.

Right, right, right, right. I think because, like you said, his instincts are better at corner. Yeah, very. What he has, you can't teach that. No, no, no. Not gold feet, not sweet feet, not any kind of feet. Yeah. What he has, the way he can play two by one,

and the way he can cover two, he can fool you and then sink and make the pick. And then come and get it, yeah. You can't teach that, Ocho. That's God-given. God gave him that ability. Yeah, you're right. You can work with people and they get you to understand the nuances.

But most people that can get off press, they're real good. It's just the little technical things that they work on to get better, to understand how soon to get skinny, and to not give them your entire – never play square. Always play on angles. Never go straight down the man. I'm on left shoulder, right shoulder, but never down the middle of the man. Don't let him put two hands on –

hey, the moment he do this, you chop and go one side or the other. It's things like that. Hey, don't let him ride you because a lot of times the guys get on your hip and they'll ride you right out of bounds, and the guy has to make a perfect throw. No, the minute you get outside, you squeeze him back, and now you stack him. It's stuff like that.

Yeah, we can teach you that. But Ocho, man, you know getting off that press, that's God-given, man. That's a different ballgame. That's a different ballgame. But I was saying, I think he will be able to learn and get good at it simply because he's so goddamn athletic. All it is is just it's about learning it, understanding you got to be quick but not in a hurry,

and I think he'll be fine and understanding like you just said understanding leverages what the man has taken away from you and then you'll be fine i that's what i think but listen at db he's phenomenal there's a young fellow there's a young fellow out of atlanta and and and and those that play football or play DB that are in the chat, correct me if I'm wrong. AJ Terrell. Huh? AJ Terrell. No.

No, no. No, no, no. He's a trainer, DB trainer. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I would love to see Travis Hunter get with him before the draft if he does decide to play defensive back. I think his name is Oliver Davis. Okay.

He trains a lot of the DBs out there in Atlanta. And, man, when I talk about he starts you from scratch, he starts you from scratch from day one and take you all the way through, no matter what level you are. Man, he got them young boys playing like they in the league

from a technical standpoint. Oh man, it's just to watch him work and to watch him talk to the DBs and talk him through stuff, man. It's fucking art. It's art, man. I think his name is Oliver Davis. I could be wrong, but dude is brilliant. Dude is brilliant.

I think, I think, based on his athleticism I think he'll be better at DB and then once he focuses solely on DB because you have to understand time, all the guys you mentioned was much more technical coming out

at their position than what he is champ had feet on top of feet. Time was time. Yeah. Time was time. And you know Woody, we know what Woody was,

Woody later transitioned to safety, but he played, but he played, he went to safety, but he still played the slot. I think once Travis, because Travis is bigger than you think. Yeah.

He tall. He tall, yeah. He like 6'2", 6'3". Yeah. I mean, he's a big-ass kid. Mm-hmm. But just watching him and the way he moves and with his arm length, the way he can play, I think he'll be better.

I think he's going to be a DB. Right. Okay. I think he's going to be a DB. Listen, to me, i think he's gonna be a db right okay i think he's gonna be a db listen to me i i think it's a win-win either way either way it goes i i'm just saying based on what i've seen so far travis can play both sides of the ball he can play matter of fact he can come train with me he come train with me he can play receiver i'll lock him up he can play db and i'll him up. Either way it go.

For the most part, though, if you look at the guys, they're like running shallow cross or they run goal routes. They're not running comeback. They're not running skinny. Can they? But there's a difference. It's hard to play

consistently both sides of the ball. Right. Oh, no. Consistently? Because it takes, yeah, it takes, the guys are too good. Oh, no.

The guys are too good. You're talking about the best of the best. Oh, no. I mean, you ain't going against, you ain't playing Alabama one week and then you play Vanderbilt and then you play Austin Peay,

Georgia Sutton, no disrespect to none of those teams. You playing who? Austin what? Austin Peay. When you play Austin Peay, Georgia Sutton. No disrespect to none of those teams. You play who? Austin what? Austin Peay. When you play in the NFL, you get top dogs every week. Top dogs every week. Listen, even if the team is bad, even if it's the OFA team,

it's still some top dogs out there. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. All right, Ocho, now it's time for Q&A. We got the graphic. There we go. Finally got our graphic back. Oh, man.

Oh, that's right. It's late. It's almost 3 o'clock. Hey, I'm feeling good. You ain't notice I ain't fighting for my life tonight. You done took a nap. You probably slept

till 12 o'clock. Because I know you. Yeah. Villain's hero said, why does Ocho do things like a female where he manipulates the situation when he's wrong with half-truth just because he's over-emotional with

Kong? More transparent than you think. What are you talking about? I think he's talking about the Odell situation because we were talking about... Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. That's how I feel. Don't tell me how I feel.

Don't tell me how I feel. I feel he's still top 20. God damn it. Until I listed 25. I ain't like that part. I ain't like when you did that. I ain't like when you did that. Because...

I ain't like when you did that. That put things into perspective. And I didn't want to see things... And I ain't like when you did that. Because, I ain't like when you did that. That put things into perspective and I didn't want to see things and I didn't want to put things into perspective. I'm still, I'm still seeing Odell from 2018.

And that's, I'm going to keep that vision. Tardy Rocker asks, why y'all never talk about track and field? Both of you claim to love it. In Texas high school, state meet,

you have four teams that ran under 39. Normally, what we talk about, we talk about the Olympics, we talk about the World Championship, but I did see Ascocita. They ran 39, I think 39-14,

which is the second fastest time. They also have the first fastest time in which they ran, I think they ran 38-76 earlier this year. They beat Duncanville again for the Class A. I also saw their 4x4 that ran 310, I think, if I'm not mistaken.

So it's just... And I saw this young lady that broke the state record into a negative head win. She ran 1121 and the guy from Ascocita into a negative head win. He ran

1019. So if you get that win behind The guy from Ascocita into a negative head win, he ran 10-1-9. So if you get that win behind him going the other way, he's probably going to go 9-9 something. Hold on. In high school running a 10-1? 10-1-9. Yep. Oh, he got to see me. He got to see me.

He going to LSU on a track and a football scholarship. For real? Yeah. Damn, that boy moving, boy. Yeah, but you know the boy, yeah, them boys cool. I mean, like I said, you go to Texas, you go to Georgia, you go to Florida, and you come to

Cali, they running. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They gonna lay down some blistering time for you. But Ascocita, the 6A, I think they won the team state championship because they won the 4x4 and the 4x1. And I know that guy, I saw him win the 100 meters in a 10.19. So congratulations, Ascocita. But, yeah, we normally talk about the Olympics.

We're going to have a live that we're going to cover the Olympics this year. We normally cover the Olympics. Well, we don't normally, but we're going to do it this year. This is the first time that we've had nightcap during the Olympics. So we're going to do that. And when it rolls around and have the world championships, which was first started

in 83, we're going to cover those as well. Hopefully, Tony, you're okay with that brief coverage of high school. Lanny Ray, hey guys, just got to say, let's go Wolves. Do you have an embarrassing moment

that you still think about to this day? Embarrassing moment that I still think about to this day? Mm-hmm. embarrassing moment that I still think about to this day. And that's a good one. Embarrassing moment. You know what?

And that's a good, Go ahead, Unc. You got to take that one. I'm trying to think. I'm trying to think myself. What did I do? Damn. I kind of had a few embarrassing moments. Yeah, I'm trying to think.

Were they, uh... Were you just embarrassed and nobody else knew about them, or were they public? And that's what made it more... That's what made it embarrassing. Yeah, public embarrassment. That's even worse. Ooh, that's even worse.

Trying to think. I mean, I think on the plane, I can be honest. Before flying out, obviously, you know, I get to the airport. I like to get to the airport early, about two hours early. I always go to La Careta. There's a La Careta in the airport. I get two cafe con leches. So you already know I get that coffee La Careta in the airport. I get two cafe con leches. So you already know

I'd get that coffee and my assistant before the flight. So what do you think once I get in the air and I'm going anywhere over three hours, you know,

I get a little gassy sometimes. And it's embarrassing that nobody else knew about it, but the person next to me, they knew. Come on, man.

You bad. Yeah. So, you know, You busted it next to somebody, Ocho? Yeah, they ain't know. It was one of them silent ones. You know them. Yeah. So, you know, you busted it next to somebody. Oh, Joe. Yeah. They ain't know. It was one of them silent ones.

You know, I mean, because it could have came from people. If you were him. How we, we, we, it's a plane full of people.

No, you know, it's close proximity. You know, that thing ain't come from the back. Hey, but, but listen,

it's so, it's, it's not funny, but it's kind of embarrassing because they be sitting there reading or doing something and you don't want to look over at them, but at the corner of my eye using my peripheral vision, you can see them do like this because they don't really want to...

And you're on the plane, so you really can't go nowhere. I mean, to me, that's an embarrassing moment because they probably know what came from me but don't want to say anything because what do you tell someone that just farted on the plane in the middle of the air

at 32,000 feet? That's disgusting. That's embarrassing. It's not disgusting. That's human nature. And the first thing they do, first thing they do, like I ain't going to know,

they reach up there and turn the little vent on. Yeah, you did that. Don't blow that. Come on. I mean, that's somewhat embarrassing. I'm glad I already know foods that will make

me. I don't eat them. I don't partake. I ain't going to the bathroom on no plane. That ain't happening. You got it. No, I don't got to the bathroom on no plane that ain't happening you got it you got it no I don't got to do nothing

I can hold it for at least 10 hours so I'm good you gonna not pee for 10 hours man I could go pee I ain't going to poop I ain't put my butt down on that cram you got to put your booty on that when you go to the bathroom you take the goddamn tissue and you lay it on top of the toilet.

I ain't got to go. I'm good. I'm fine. Thank you. Oh, man. You tripping, man. I leave before I leave. I do it before I leave the house.

I'm comfortable. Number two in public. I don't care where it's at. Now, if I go to a restaurant, and this is how you know if a restaurant care about their customers. If you go to a restaurant and they got one plaque,

don't shit there. Don't shit there. Because you fuck around, you wipe your ass, and you have shit all on your hand. Now, you go to a restaurant, five-star restaurant, most of the time, the kind of toilet tissue they have, they have two plaques. If they got two plaques, you enjoy yourself and take your nice shit. I don't give a damn if they got

paper towels. I don't care if they got hand towels. I ain't taking no dump at no restaurant. Nasty ass. I'm just trying to give you... Don't give me nothing. I bet I won't care if they got paper towels. I don't care if they got hand towels. I ain't taking no dump at no restaurant. Nasty ass. I'm just trying to give you. I'm just trying to give you. Don't give me nothing. I bet I won't go out to eat with you. I mean, listen, I'm giving you boo-boo etiquette.

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I mean, some things are just beyond poopable. Like at pooping at stadiums. I see people go in the stadium. How you going to the bathroom and poop? Wait stadiums, I see people going to stadiums. How you going to bathroom and poop? Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. If you go to a football game at halftime,

you don't take time to poop before you go back to watch the third and fourth quarter? No, I don't. No. You ain't, man. You ain't living, man. You ain't living, man.

You ain't living. You ain't living. Hold on. You ain't never been to Walgreens or Target and you got to use the bathroom while you're going up and down the aisles and use the bathroom at Target or Walgreens? No. You ain't living. Hold on. You ain't never been to Walgreens or Target and you got to use the bathroom while you're going up and down the aisles and use the bathroom at Target or Walgreens?

No. You ain't living. Mm-mm. You ain't living. You living. Listen, you alive, but you ain't living. I already know how to make myself go to the bathroom. I drink me a little warm water.

Before I brush my teeth, I drink. Warm water through your system make you use the bathroom? Yeah. Okay, I ain't never heard that. That's new. Yeah. I go.

Before I leave home, I'm straight. Okay, okay. I don't eat nothing funky. I ain't going to eat nothing hot. I'm not going to drink any milk, eat no cheese. I'm not going to eat any apples. Right. Okay, teach us all. Hey, we be somewhere. Joey be grabbed by two or three apples. Right. Okay.

We could be somewhere. Joy be grabbed by two or three apples. Tell my boss, man, you want one? I say, I sure do not. Wait, apple maker use the bathroom too? What? Apple peels? Yes. They don't do nothing to me. Anytime. Like when I have surgery,

they like sharp, you know, cause you know, they give you medicine. All like, I tell Shelly, go give me some chocolate milk and an apple yeah man I had a oh Joe and last surgery I had they had a powerful I had the hot down off don't tell nobody else that man you got too many people in the chat man what happened I had me like a glass I had this solo cup

about three quarters way full with chocolate milk and all she had to do was just cut I just eat the apple the apple peels I can eat the whole apple, but I just, hey, just cut some slices off the apple peel, had the heart down off it.

Yeah. I don't like that. Man, y'all, man, y'all, hey, somebody said the apple way keep the doctor away. That's right. I don't mess with no apples. I only eat apples at my house, and I only eat them at a certain

time. At night? Oh, no. Oh, I would never eat one at night. I got to get up out of that bed, cuz. You mess about and think you passing gas, and boy, you have to have somebody come clean the whole room.

Oh, no. I eat them probably about 3 o'clock in the afternoon or in the morning but I don't eat them I don't eat them if I'm going somewhere I don't fool with them okay I definitely man you think I eat an apple at 9 o'clock at night

I mean listen that's a delicacy you know having fruit before you go to bed. Oh, no. I could never do that. Oh, no. My system is on overdrive. I already know.

Right, okay. Yeah, I don't have no issues. Apples, pears, peaches, fruit, like, nah. I stay at my house. I got you. I'm going to let you have that one, Ochoa, so y'all have a good time eating y'all fruit.

Okay, Dennis Bari said, with Mother's Day next Sunday, what was the gift you got her that really made her happy? For me, I got her CD Changers stereo and a bunch of CDs from the 60s that took her to Tony Roma's for dinner. Look at my mom. Oh, man. Well, it's actually Mother's Day every month for my mom, considering she get a check. I'm trying to think.

I brought a Mercedes. But most of the time, my mom, my mom's simple. My mom just want money. My mom don't want it. She don't want anything that she want money because she want to go to the racetrack with her girlfriends and they, you know, play the slot machine.

That's what my mom wanted to do. My grandmother, for Mother's Day, I bought her one year, I bought a necklace, Ocho, and it was a diamond and a cross. It was gold, but it had diamonds inside of it. And I remember she looked at it. She looked up at me she called my sister in the room she said Libby

she said Libby I said Libby granny call you she came in there she told my sister she said you see this chain she said yes ma'am she said it's pretty she said it goes in the ground with me

my grandma never took it off I brought a watch I brought a watch at a local drugstore but the band I don't know if that was before your time but they used to have a band people older probably my age would understand it was crystal flicks so you could like twist the band it was just like rubber band but it was it was like a like a metal right and

it had big numbers and it like you know you look at night it light up she told my sister she said this necklace and this watch go in the ground with me and we buried we we buried her wishes we buried her in it so that was probably the greatest gift I've ever given somebody because of what it meant how she reacted when she received it. I think the greatest gift I ever gave my grandma

probably a vehicle. BMW, I'll never forget. BMW 745i. And seeing the look on her face. Seeing, I'll never forget. BMW 745i. And seeing the look on her face. Seeing the look on her face. My mama. I bought her a BMW as well.

330i, if I'm not mistaken. A little drop top. And I bought her a purse. And inside the purse, she opened the purse and I had a little, a little dog, a little, a little, a little toy poodle, but it looked like a chicken wing. It was so little. It looked like a damn chicken wing. I never forget that, man. And you know, my mom was very, very theatrical, very, um, flamboyant and she just hollered and cried and, and fell outoyant, and she just

hollered and cried and fell out, and oh, man, it was one of the greatest moments, man, seeing their faces and smile. That's what it's all about. When you get them gifts, and

I mean, hell, shit, I'm You know, Ochocho you know when you like you know I already knew cause like my grandmother my grandfather you know the ring you know back then it wasn't really no diamonds you got a band so my grandmother really never had any expensive jewelry and she was okay

with that I didn't expect for it to have that kind of impact I knew she would like it it was a cross my grandmother of impact. I knew she would like it. It was a cross. It was religious. So I knew she would like it. I thought I didn't, you know,

I didn't get the one I originally thought because I thought that would be too. And I knew she would have thought that would be too gaudy, too ostentatious, but I didn't expect the reception that I got. Cause I started to tear up because now she thought so much of it and she never took it off. And so

to her wishes, she went to the ground with it. So those are special moments that you never forget. Derrick Jr. said, what's up y'all? I'm 25. Just got a new job at a warehouse, and I'm happy, but also struggling with thoughts

because I know I have more potential. Any words of advice? Yeah. Until you... Potential just means you haven't done anything, bro. Mm-hmm. What do you have that potential in?

You better tap into that shit. Exactly. You gotta tap into it. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah, I'm just saying. I'll let you finish. Whatever that potential is, you gotta tap into it. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah, I'm just saying. I'll let you finish. Whatever that potential is, you gotta tap into it. You saying you have potential, but you gotta find what your niche is.

What is your niche? Find out what your niche is, and then it won't even be work, because it's something that you love. Find out what you love, tap into that motherfucker, and lock in. It's really that simple. I mean, do what you have to do

until you can do what you want to do. Oh, stay right there. Boy, boy, you done hit me with one. I ain't got my goddamn notepad. So I think that's the thing people are like I got so much potential potential just means you haven't done anything okay what is that potential in

okay what are you doing to cultivate that potential I mean everybody has the potential to do something but if it's not planted if it's not harvested, so then what are we? We all play with guys.

Had so much potential. More potential than what we had. Yeah. Okay, what good is that? We say that, man, hey, tell them I was better than you, okay? Bro, that was 25 years ago. I'm retired. I'm retired from the NFL.

And you never met your potential. So you okay bro that was 25 years ago i'm retired i'm tired from the nfl and you never met your potential so you proud of that right yeah so hey derrick bro you got to tap in bro you got to find you got to find what that potential is in and then travel down that road but that doesn't mean you quit your job, bro, now. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. Lil said, what's up, Uncle Nocho? My name is Khalil and it's my 18th birthday. Appreciate everything. Thanks for the amazing podcast.

Lil, happy 18th birthday. Khalil, happy 18th birthday, bro. Keep up the great work, man. Happy birthday, boy. You know what to do tonight? Bam! What's up, Uncle No You know what to do tonight. Bam. What's up, Uncle Don't You Love, y'all? Tune in every show.

Where would y'all rank yourselves in the all-time tight end wide receiver list? I'm number one. What you mean? Number one. I'm the greatest entertainer that has ever graced the NFL, ever been on the green grass, ever.

Greatest entertainer ever. Now, all the other accolades and all the other stats, I don't care nothing about that. That ain't why I tried to make it. I found my lane and I stayed in it. The greatest entertainer to ever don an NFL field. If you disagree with me, let me know. Me, personally,

I love my career. I didn't think at any point in time that I would have the career. I just look, I just wanted to make the NFL, make enough money that I could take care of my family. My grandmother, get them

out of that situation. Keep them out of that situation. Keep them out of that situation. As I started to get better, I was like, okay, what could I possibly become? I remember in 97, Mark Kisler, he was a writer. I think he is still right for Denver.

He came up to me and said, you could make the Hall of Fame. I said, what? He said, yeah, you have a couple more years like this. You can make the Hall of Fame. That was the first time I ever even heard about it because in 91 we played, who do we play? If I'm not mistaken, we

played Detroit in the Hall of Fame game. Remember the game? In Canton. Come on, bro. I'm a seventh-round pick. Seventh-round picks don't have no dreams of playing in the Hall of Fame. I'm sorry. We're just hoping we can make the team.

And so we're just like, man, damn. Because at that point in time, Ocho, I had gone to five straight Pro Bowls and had been on three All-Proteins. But it really never dawned on me. My mind never went to Hall of Fame until he brought it up to me

in a conversation in the locker room. As a matter of fact, we were walking off the field. And everybody called me Sharpie. I was like, Sharpie, you know, with a couple more seasons, you can be a Hall of Famer. I'm like, really? He's like, yeah. So that was really the first time that it ever really dawned on me.

But I'm okay. Wherever you rank me, Five, I think Gronk had a better career than I had. I think Kelsey obviously had a way better career than I had. Gates, I don't think Gates gets enough credit. Gonzo,

but I'm good. I don't even worry about it. I did what I did. I think y'all know from the way I talk and the way I'm so motivated I got everything out of my God-given ability.

I couldn't have you know, hey, I wish I could have stayed healthy like Kelsey, but I missed a season due to injuries. Not one season, but over the court, I missed 16 games. So do I have maybe another 1,000 yards instead of 10,000? I have 11.

Instead of 815, maybe I have 900 catches. But I don't think that changes anybody's perception of me because I was the first with 700 catches, the first with 800 catches, the first with 9,000 yards, the first with 10,000 yards, had all the records. But I'm good. Guys come along and at some point in time,

these guys is going to move down, but hey, my kids will be able to look back and say, hey, you know what guys? My dad had all these records. My dad is in the Hall of Fame. They'll be able to go see my grandkids, great-grands will'll be able to go see my grandkids, great-grands will always be able to go see that.

So I'm good where I am. I am, Ochoa. I'm content. Oh, yeah. Even if I wasn't, ain't nothing I can do about it now. I can't go back and catch any more passes, no touchdowns, no catches, no yards. I can't do nothing.

No Super Bowls. I'm good. I'm better than good. Freddy Clay 15 said, what's up, Akanocho? Still patiently waiting on LaPorte. It was supposed to ship end of April, now being pushed back to mid-May. Is there

anything that could be done? I wish there's something I could tell you. Just be patient. I appreciate your patience, bro. Hopefully you're on the list. The mid-May, we just got a shipment in, 1,500 cases. But, bro, I kind of let them handle that. But I'll check. I will do that.

I'll check. But that's the best I can tell you. I mean, I can just tell you what they tell me that they're doing the best job they possibly can. We did not expect the demand to be what it is. Uh, we didn't think we didn't know we were going to be able to activate as many

states, uh, that we've been able to activate with, uh, California, Texas, Florida, Virginia on the horizon,

uh, and Maryland, um, all within the next, um, Florida, Virginia on the horizon and Maryland all within the next three to five months. So I just ask that you give a patient, be patient a little while longer and I greatly appreciate that, bro. Appreciate that.

Go back. Oh, man. appreciate that go back oh man where we at okay time limit Ocho hey it's almost 3 o'clock I know I'm good though cause I took a 4 hour nap during the day

that ain't no nap you went to sleep nah it was only four hours naps normally run around somewhere between 20 and 30 minutes that ain't no nap that's like a long blink oh okay

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