Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Pacman Jones, Shawne Merriman, James Harrison

Episode Date: February 8, 2025

LIVE from Radio Row in New Orleans ahead of Super Bowl LIX, Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are joined by Adam “Pacman” Jones. Later, Unc and Ocho are joined by Shawne “Lights Out” Merriman to discuss life after NFL and his transition to MMA, Pittsburgh Steelers legend James Harrison who crashes the Nightcap set to confront Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and much more!03:53 - Pacman Jones joins13:25 - Ro ad14:05 - Shawne Merriman joins25:48 - Chip Kelly is highest paid OC29:21 - Cooper Kupp to be traded by Rams31:00 - James Harrison joins56:46 - Fred Warner joins1:13:30 - Ted Karras and Alex Cappa joins1:23:20 - Denzel Ward joins(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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No, he ain't go to the bathroom. No, he ain't late this time. He late? No, he ain't late this time. Oh. All right, joining us on the nightcap set is Adam Pacman. Joe, you go by Adam or you go by Pac? I go by Pac.

You ain't never called me Adam? But we were told, like, when I was doing this on television, they said he don't want to be called Pac-Man anymore, and he wants to be called Adam. I said, wait, I just saw this end in the barbershop a month ago, and everybody was calling him Pac. Ain't nobody ever called him Adam. I don't know what Coach Marvin was thinking about when he said that to the media.

I think that was something with him. That had nothing to do with me. All right, Pat, you're down here at the Super Bowl. You know the two teams that are in the Super Bowl, the Chiefs and the Eagles. How do you see this matchup playing out? I just can't. Two teams are compatible. But Andy Reid having two weeks to prepare for this game.

It's going to be hard to beat Andy Reid. Andy Reid have a motherfucker wide open. I mean, the other week when he had, they was in the trips formation to the right. Single back, I mean, single receiver to the left side. He sent the two over in motion just to see what they was in, man. And then he ran the little play with the pick out the backfield. Now the linebacker going to make that play. He can't. There's no way.

He's not going to make it. What's up, man? You late. No, I'm just fucking kidding. And they sat on this play for the entirety of the game. They did. Not very many. Look, and I talked about this.

There are not very many coaches in that situation is going to throw the ball because you're going to stop the clock. Yeah. If that clock stops, now you give them an opportunity to get the ball back with a chance to go down and tie you or beat you. Yeah.

He says, Patrick, and we saw this last year against the Baltimore Ravens. He said, even Valdell Scanlon, who had dropped several passes during the regular season, he threw the ball on third down, 30-plus yards down the field. That's the kind of confidence that Andy has in 1-5. And confidence is well-placed. Yes, it is.

And, man, you can look at them last week and look at them four weeks ago when they didn't have Worthy, they didn't have Chukko. Now they all healthy, man. Worthy is, man. He got better and better. He's fine, bro. Like, he is, that's one of the guys that ain't nobody talking about that can be MVP. That's why I told you. Remember I told you earlier, you never know who day it's going to be.

When you watch the Chiefs all season long, every time they play, it's always somebody else's day. Like, you watch the Bengals play, you know it's going to be Chase. Half the time, 90% of the time. You watch the Chiefs play, ain't no telling who day it's going to be. One day it's Worthy, one day it's Kelsey, one day it's Noah Gray. So depending what the Eagles do this game, well, it's going to be exciting. Yeah, it is. Well, Andy Reid done played him already.

He done beat him already one time. Like, so, I don't know, man. I just, I cannot see Andy Reid because if the Chiefs lose, it's Andy Reid's fault. That's how I'm looking at it. But Andy Reid don't lose again. But, Pac,

if you look at it, this defense is different than what they brought to the Super Bowl. They got Jalen Carter. They got, I think Davis was there, was there,

yeah, he was there the last time they played. But if you look at Zach Braun, who's playing unbelievable. Keon Mitchell. Yeah, Mitchell. Darius Clay time they played. But if you look at Zach Braun, who's playing unbelievable. Keon Mitchell. Yeah, Mitchell. Darius Clay.

You got Cooper DeJuan. And it's that 2-6, the all-world running back that they have now that can hit his head on the goalpost, and we've seen it from anywhere on the field, Pac. This is a unique package that the Eagles didn't have last time when they came to the Super Bowl to face the Chiefs

than what they have now. Yeah, of course it is. Starting with Saquon, like, I seen him last night. Like, he's definitely the MVP, man. When you could run full speed and turn around

and jump back with somebody, bro. Like, that's a highlight. Whoever that, I forget who it was, but you're going to be on that line of drag. You'll always be seen. Forever.

And that offensive line they got is by far the best offensive line that we've seen as a group together. I just don't know if they get down, can they come from behind? Jess, you're right. Carter, he's unblockable. Coming out of Georgia, everybody was talking about he wouldn't do this, he wouldn't do that, where he should be drafted at. They showed you, he showed you why he should have been drafted,

where he got drafted at. He's unblockable, but I think with the play action, with the motion and getting Patrick out on the perimeter, it'll slow down Carter from just killing his head back and going straight. Go ahead. What are you doing here, Pop? What you selling? I ain't selling nothing.

I'm around here making my rounds. Talking about the Pac-Man Jones show. Different things that I got coming up. Let me ask you. You played the DB position. Who's the best DB in the NFL right now? Magic Sertain Jr. Who's second?

Can you answer that real fast? Second. Gonzalez? Gonzalez is You answered that real fast. Second. Gonzalez. Gonzalez is like three on my list. You like Ramsey? I like Ramsey. Ramsey's still up there.

You like Horn? Horn. JC Horn. Hold on. What about Stingley? Stingley is good. Stingley is real good. I like the kid from

Green Bay. Oh, your Latimer. Latimer. No, no, no. Alexander. Alexander. Jair. Jair.

Yeah. I like him. Man, when you talk about Sertan, he is. Man, he just don't. He don't never get sloppy, bro. His technique is always on point. If he's supposed to be seven yards, he is seven yards already set. If he press, he already press.

Like, I watched him probably every play that he played in the last six weeks. And I had a conversation with Vijay. Vijay was my defensive back coach. He was my defensive coordinator. Vance Joga. And he's like, bro, he's just so disciplined. Right. And it's hard to be if you're real disciplined.

Right. I think the last person we seen like that was Revis. Yeah. But see, that's another reason why he don't get a lot of picks because he's so disciplined. He's going to be where he's supposed to be. Guys that get a lot of picks, they're normally undisciplined because they're going to take chances.

They're going to gamble. Hey, they'll give up a play. Yeah. It's like T-Buck. People used to ask T-Buck, say, T-Buck, what? He said, they got more slams than they got goal robbers. He said, and if they throw that slam, I'm going to give it. Yeah. Now, if they run the sluggo, they got more slams than they got gold robin. He said, and if they throw that slam, I'm going to get it. If they run the sluggo, they got me.

But I'm thinking of that situation right there, they're going to run the slam. I was greedy too, though. Yeah, you were. I was greedy. I was trying to get everything. I was greedy. Pat, let me ask you this. We see a lot of these guys, and I think the NFL should really bring you in

to talk to some of these guys because you have some hardships coming up in the league. What would you tell some of these guys? How do you keep these guys with so much pack? These guys making money that you could buy a franchise for just 30 years. Oh, no. How do you say, guys, look,

I'm not going to tell you not to have fun, but guys, just be careful. I think the main thing now, like, when my situation, I forgot that this shit was business. Like, you know what I mean? Being young and getting a lot of money at 21, you forget, like, hey, this is a business. Right.

And so for the younger guys, I would tell them, hey, bro, treat this shit like a business. Treat it like you're not getting another contract. And if you kind of treat it like that, it'll help you get to the next contract. I think that's the reason why I played a long time. Like, I never thought, like, this is going to be my last contract. Like, that's how I went into every contract.

Like, this is going to be my last contract. I got to figure out a way to make these motherfuckers give me a new contract. You get what I'm saying? And nobody never had a problem with me at work. You know, my problem was leaving Magic City at 4.30 and we playing at 2 p.m. Don't count that thing.

I hung over, but I'm still handling my job, though. You know what I mean? Let me ask you a question. If you could go back, if Pac-Man could go back, do it all over again, what are some of the things Pac would do different? I would have probably had all house parties. I would have never went out as much because I made myself a little bit too vulnerable.

And being vulnerable is not good. So I would change a lot of things. But the main thing, I wouldn't be as vulnerable as I was or accessible as I was to people. I think that hurt me a lot. And some of the dumb ass decisions I made. I ain't say I didn't make no dumb decisions. A couple of decisions was dumb. But the wings be good.

The wings be good. The wings be good. The magic. The magic. I thought it was going to go. Well, next time you're in Atlanta, call Pat. I'm in there. I don't like to go out nowhere.

I'm outside. I'm the people. I'm the voice of the street. I am the voice of the street. What they say, this ain't that. It's that. Yeah,

it is. It's that. Man, Pat, thanks for joining us, bro. We appreciate that, man.

Congratulations on all your success. You're in the podcast world. You're doing your thing. I check you out from time to time, man. All right. You're doing your thing, bro. you out from time to time, man. All right. You're doing your thing, bro. Yeah, you're doing your thing, too.

You stay away from them blue pills, though. I had to throw that one in there. You ain't got to throw your shit out. Well, stay scrapped, boy. Ooh, let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see it. Whoa, whoa, let me get that.

Let me see it. Let me see if it works. Let me see it. It worked. It worked. It worked. It works. It works. It works. It definitely works.

What do they call the ant? Rose Sparks. Rose Sparks. Go to rose.com slash my cat. Rose.com. Why you can't give me none? I've been there. Hold on.

You can't get none before me. I've been asking for a whole year. Come on, man. All that money you got. You can't get a blue. You can't. But Harrison Faye. You can't get one of them. They've been asking for a whole year. Come on, man. All that money you got, you can't get a blue. You can't. But here's the thing. Can't get one of them?

They only work on me. You have to call in and send your information. You're not supposed to take everybody else's medicine. You know that. Oh, they prescribe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give them just the right, the right. Yeah, I might need to go call in.

Make sure I get the right dose. Pac-Man Jones, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for joining us appreciate y'all for having me appreciate you oh Joe hold on I'm gonna catch you in a minute

appreciate it Pat now joining us he was NFL rookie of the year he was a former all pro and pro bowl player played years with the San Diego Chargers and he played one season if I'm not mistaken He was a former All-Pro and Pro Bowl player.

Played years with the San Diego Chargers, and he played one season, if I'm not mistaken, with the Buffalo Bills. Here he is, Sean Lights Out Merriman. What up, bro? What's up, little man? What's up, little man? What's up, little man? There you go. I'm just getting up here. Hey don't have to talk. Hey,

that bare knuckle is getting up there. I was finna beat his ass years ago. See, this will happen. I promise you. He said this will happen. I didn't know

he was playing around. I didn't know he was playing around a long time ago. Right. And he said he won't be back. Right.

So I stopped. I was in the charge facility. I walked out and I did a video and said I was going to choke him when I seen him. Right.

I didn't know Chad there. I walked out and I did a video. They said I was going to choke him when I seen him. Right? I didn't know Chad then. I thought he was serious. And we were playing them coming up. And I said, when we see them, I'm going to do something real bad. Real bad when I catch them. And we didn't catch them. I never caught them. Yeah.

It was a fun day. Man, how you doing, Sean? I'm good, man. Doing well. Good. Let me ask you this, man. You see this matchup. Obviously, Patrick Mahomes going for the three-peat.

The Eagles, Saquon, Jalen Hurst, A.J., Devontae. Then you go to the defensive side of football. Led by Jalen Carter. They have Zach Brown in the middle. You got Slade. You got Mitchell on the outside. How do you see this matchup playing out? You know what?

It's funny because everybody's talking about the obvious, right? Saquon talking about Pat. We know what they're going to do. I think, man, this game really going to come down to the trenches. Yeah, I think it's really going to come down to Jalen Carter, Chris Jones. I think it's going to be that kind of matchup because that's really going to dictate the tempo of the game.

You know, they're going to get there. Saquon's going to rush for whatever he's going to rush for. I don't think this Magnolo let anybody rush for 100 yards this year. I don't think Magnolo let anybody rush for 100 yards this year. I don't think so. Yes, but again, so now he got a real obstacle on his hands dealing with that, man. I just think it's going to be an unsung hero. It ain't going to be Patrick Mahomes.

It's going to be somebody like Slay, right, to step up, getting pressures and a ball force. I think it's going to be an unsung hero in this game that we're really not talking about. I want to know about the fight league. Yeah. Tell the people about

what you have going with the fight league. Because I'm thinking about joining, you know, getting the hands wet a little bit. But it's MMA. So, I can listen,

I can kick too. Whatever you're going to do. So look, back in the mid 2000s, I wanted to start, I was working with Jay Glazer. I was in his gym to do. So look, back in the mid-2000s, I wanted to start, I was working with Jay Glazer.

I was in his gym. So I grew up, my family, my uncle's were professional boxers. So I grew up

just boxing in PG County, Washington, D.C. area anyway. Sugar Ray Leonard's gym was right up the street.

So I grew up around boxes anyway. So I was hitting a gym, hitting a miss one day at gym,

and Jay Glazer said, hey, look, I see you can box if you ever tried MMA.

It'll help you out in football with the hands coming out the air. So he took me to the gym at gym, and Jay Glazer said, hey, look, I've seen you in box if you ever tried MMA. It'll help you out in football with the hands coming out the air. So he took me to gym one day, and Jay Glazer's here, and Randy Couture is sitting on my left. And I'm looking at Jay, I said, I'm not fighting Randy Couture today. That's not happening. But what I saw, man, I started training with these guys, you know, every offseason, Chuck Liddell, T.D. Ortiz, all these guys.

I got a chance to just be around and train with, and I fell in love with the sport. So I ended up launching Lights Out Extreme Fighting, which we looked at, man, as one of the feeders to UFC. We sent six guys to the UFC last year. So basically, you're a minor league system to the UFC. Yeah. And I think the word minor league, nobody's going to be bigger than the UFC. Right.

No, no, no. There's going to be people who are going to cry. They got too much of a head start. They got too much of a head start. And when you think of MMA, you already think of the UFC no matter where you're UFC. Right. No, no, no. There's going to be people that's going to cry. They got too much of a head start. And when you think of MMA, you already think of the UFC no matter where you at. But what you can do

is do some things that they may not be looking at, right? We got a bunch of, we got chips in the gloves that can measure speed, power of punch, impact, all that.

It's like a lot of tech, a lot of AI. And I just launched my streaming service, Lights Out Sports TV, that we carry in a lot of combat sports. We got a big fight in LA

this Friday at Long Beach for Lights Out Extreme Fight. that we carry a lot of combat sports. We got a big fight in LA this Friday in Long Beach for Lights Out Extreme Fight. So what you can do, man, because we're able to pivot. We can do some stuff, and if they like it, right? If they like it, they adopt it. That's the whole goal of it. We don't try to compete. We're just trying to create.

Let me ask you this. You hear Miles Garrett say, look, I appreciate everything in Cleveland. They made my dream come true. First overall draft pick, defensive player of the year, all pro, pro bowl. I believe I've done all I possibly can. But at the end of the day, I want to compete for a championship. And I don't believe I can do that in Cleveland.

What do you, do you have a problem with him? Like, I want to go compete for a title. No, and the Browns organization got to respect it. He's given you everything he possibly can from his standpoint. He's done everything he can. And you get to a point as an organization that they're not doing what's best in your interest now. Because after you make enough money, you already know what's the best in your position. You already got the Pro Bowls, all pros, you already got the accolades.

The only thing now to do is get a championship. And if you don't have somebody out there working with you to put you in the best situation, say, hey, man, we got to get this, we got to get this. The biggest regret I have in my career is not winning the ring. That's the biggest one. In all the teams we had, we should have at least got one. Yeah, yeah. We should have got one.

And so, you know, I'm sitting up and I'm, you know, I remember going to NFL Network and I'm sitting up there on the panel, got Marshall Ford, everybody was up there and they got these rings on. And I'm sitting there, my heart beating through my chest. Because you've missed that part. So I don't blame Miles Garrett at all for wanting to get out of an organization that hasn't put him in the best situation to be a champion. I like it.

What's next? The year just started. We only in February. Yep. We only in February. What's next for Sean Merriman in 2025? We got this big fight.

We had the East-West Shrine. Congratulations, too, bro. Appreciate it. Yeah, yeah. Congratulations for the East-West Shrine. So NFL Network had the game for the East-West Shrine Bowl. Lights Out Sports, TVBot Network, we had the practices. It was the East West Shrine. So NFL Network had the game for the East West Shrine Bowl.

Lights Out Sports, if you buy Network, we had the practices. It was the first time they ever did the practices. You know, we want to get more college conferences. That's coming down the pipeline. We're going to announce this soon. But also, too, man, bring some of these guys and try to get more former guys in to come and fight. You know, some of these guys have been playing three, four years,

pissed off, they got cut a few times, been in a bad situation. Hey, man. Man, you look here. If they had been fighting, man, it's hard to all of a sudden just get into fighting when you ain't been fighting. No, it ain't. It's pretty easy. Nah, but one thing I'll say,

we don't walk in with two left feet, right? Automatically. Greg Hardy, help Greg Hardy. No, he need more help than that. He need a lot of, yeah, it's too late for him. It's too late. Yeah. Hit you.

Hey, y'all wrong, man. That's, y'all wrong. I wouldn't go say, yeah, it's too late. I would just, I'm gonna leave it at that. But see, that's what, you know, fighting.

Right. That's a different type of fight. Right, right, right. Because street fight, you know, okay, I'm just worried about the guy punching me

in the ring guy can punch you elbow you knee you kick you all that it's actually believe it or not

man better for us because we we got explosion a lot of these guys don't got that just naturally being able to explode and do some of these things

and people talk about Greg Hardy had a nice little run he had a nice then he fell off I think the next champ is going to be one of these guys played three four years People talk about Greg. Greg Hardy had a nice little run. Yeah, he did. He had a nice, then he fell off. Right. I think the next champ is going to be one of these guys

that's played three, four years. Right. You know, built tall, 6'3", 6'4", or 6'1". Like Adesanya.

Like, yes. Johnny. Johnny Jones-Bone. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We had a guy that was built like him. He played for the Chargers, played for a couple teams.

I think the next champion is going to come from a guy that's played three, four years, didn't make all the money he wanted to, didn't get his shot, got a chip on his shoulder, and is going to be the next champ. That's what I think is going to happen. I like it.

What type of mindset do you have to have? Because, look, if you go back to, like, the boxers, most of the boxers way back when, they came from poverty. I ain't talking about, you know, I'm talking about poverty. I'm talking about they were barely and they had to do things. And it's like, what's up? You're going to pay me to beat somebody's ass? And I ain't going to go to jail for it?

Sign me up. And so what type of mindset does a person have to have to get into the MMX? I think, see, we're so used to running into other people in football. People think of us the same way. Yes. And we do. You got to have a different... I tell people, I say, you got to be sick

to run that way and that way and two people collide at full speed. Yes. And then do it 50 times. Yes. Get up the next day,

get your ice cold, tell what you got, and then take a day off and then do it again. And then most people... You talking like that, but there's people out there that look at us the same way that we look at them.

There's people out there, man, like these fighters that come, you know, guys that come from NFL or NBA or whatever it is, they got that mindset they can do it. They just haven't, they don't know the path. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, Chad, there's celebrity stuff, there's stuff you can go and promote, but if you really go trying to do it, you got to find the right gym,

the right coaches, the right team. And a lot of guys are doing it, and that's what we've been doing over at Lights Out Extreme Fight. We had three guys that were kind of transitioning into this world to go,

and I think they're going to be the next champs. Is it expensive to get into MMA? Not really. Not really, but it's expensive if you get with the wrong people. Okay.

Because they're around trying to snatch you. That's one thing about this big combat sports now. You got a bunch of bad people in the business. But for the most part, man, I think the next heavyweight or light heavyweight champ can come from the NFL or former NFL. Sean Lightside Merriman, bro. Thanks for stopping by.

Thank y'all, man. Appreciate it. Appreciate that, man. Your commentary on the game. Who you got winning the game? I'm not going against the Chiefs ever again. I think 90% of the country root for the Eagles. I'm not going against the Chiefs ever again.

You're not betting against Mahomes. I'm not betting against him and other people that's on the field, like the 12th man. Right. I mean. Oh, the 12th man? I ain't talking about the Seahawks, see. I like it.

Appreciate y'all, man. Thanks, man. All right. Good to see you. Sean Merriman. What's up, bro? Thank you, bro. I really appreciate that.

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six million per year. Will Chip be able to jumpstart the Raiders offense? Jumpstart the Raiders offense with what quarterback? Let's start there. They might go out

and try to get Marcus Mariota. That's who he had. Remember, he had the Oregon. Ah. He was the Heisman Trophy. Okay. He was the backup. Okay.

In Washington. Okay. Listen, I like the Raiders receiving core. I like what they have at receiver. Now, if you go get Mariota, who's shown he can lead a team. You know, he has a good arm. He's a dual threat quarterback. He can run the ball as well.

And I got cursed out not long ago. Max Crosby, I know you're probably going to see this. And right now, I'm on your side. Depending on who you get at the quarterback position, you guys might have a chance. Max Crogby sent me a DM. He was mad. About what?

I heard everything you said about us not having a quarterback, that we're not going to be able to do anything. Max, I'm on your side now. I love you. Depending on who you get at quarterback, having Chip Kelly, it's going to be a great thing for you guys. I love you, and I don't want to fight, and I don't want no problem. But what was he upset about? They're not

going to do anything with a quarterback. Without one? No. I mean, I think he tried to argue the fact that they could do something without having one. You had 112, 113 catches. What'd that get you? Four wins. See, I didn't even bring up stats. I'm just saying. So yeah, you get in the... Yes. We've seen a lot of players play with bad quarterbacks

get numbers. Right. But at the end of the day, okay, what are those numbers leading to. We've seen a lot of players play with bad quarterbacks, get numbers. Right. But at the end of the day, okay, what are those numbers leading to something? Right, right. You're right. You're right. You're right. So, Max Unk said it. So, you want to get mad this time, send it to Unk.

There's nothing to get mad about. We're just stating facts. Facts, right. I mean, a bunch of numbers. They need to be something. They need to be like social security number. They need to be password. Numbers are numbers.

What are those numbers lead to? What am I getting out of those numbers? And so you're right. They need a quarterback. They need a couple of other things also. But I definitely think a quarterback, but do you like this hire? I like the hire, yes. Chip Kelly, his creativity and what he's been able to do throughout his entirety, he's had some bad raps some places he's been,

but I know what he can do offensively from an offensive standpoint if you get a quarterback. That's the key. That's the deciding factor on their success. Well, the thing is that he worked really well. Last year, he was offensive coordinator at Ohio State Buckeyes. They won the national championship. Maybe he's better suiting in this role as opposed to being a head coach

because now he just has to worry about getting the offense ready to play. Right. He's not in charge of scheduling. He's not in charge of conditioning. He's not really in charge of anything, except the X's and O's and getting the offense to perform at an extremely high level. So, I like this move also. I do.

Obviously, with Pete Carroll being there, no problem with Pete going back. People are surprised that, well, Pete going back, why didn't he get Coach Belichick? Nah. Belichick? Nah. Belichick ain't going now. Why not? Who the quarterback?

Hell, who the quarterback in North Carolina? I think Belichick took that job in North Carolina to show the GMs and the coaches that I can be a leader of young men too, despite what y'all may think about my old ways, my old coaching ways. Let me show you I can resonate with the young folk as well and coach at the collegiate level and then bring it on out. Well. He gonna get a job. If six Super Bowls and nine, ten Super Bowl appearances

ain't enough, I don't know what to tell y'all. No. You know how it is. What have you done for me lately? Yeah. Oh, Joe. Cooper going to work with them young folk. That update, that resume. Yeah. What have you done for me lately? Yeah. Oh, Joe, Cooper Cup to be traded by the Rams. Rams are willing to eat some of the contract to facilitate a trade.

Where will it land? You know what? There are so many good places where Cooper Cup can go. He can do so many things. So many teams can benefit from having a receiver like Cooper Cup that he can play in the slot. He can play on the outside. He's an elite route runner still to this day. Obviously, the opportunities decreased tremendously once Pukunakua got there.

So I'm not sure where he can go, but I hope the place he does go, he's able to continue to contribute and get the opportunities he deserves as a receiver that he is. So he still has those wheels. They're not flat just yet, so I'm not sure where he can go. You look at the landscape of the NFL and who could use half number one, number two

receiver like Cooper Cup. What happens with Tee Higgins? If Tee doesn't stay, bring in a Cooper Cup. No, no, no. I don't like that because Cooper Cup will take some of the catches away from Chase because they kind of do the same things. Yeah.

I kind of like, I kind of like, I think he needs to be, he's 49ers. He's more of a slot. 49ers. But they just got Pierce Hall. Ah. What do you think? I just think I, I, me personally, I think he needs to go somewhere with it.

Look, can he play outside the numbers? Yes. He's more efficient. Effective inside. outside the numbers? Yes. He's more effective inside the numbers. So he needs to go somewhere that has a similar situation. I'm trying to... Carolina? Carolina? Who was the West Coast sister? Oh. Green Bay runs it, but they got...

You good? I'm just making sure you good i'm just making sure you're good you sure what right what's really going on i'm making sure you're good i'm good man i've been good okay yeah what we talking about what you want to talk about whatever you want to talk about let's talk about where you been why why haven't i seen you on ig lately you just coming back you was off ig for all right so this i ain't gonna lie to you this will happen scared you got shadow bands no i ain't get shadow band they banned your ass for real i got fat i was like 308 for real what the hell you were doing depressed depressed about what my knee was what? My knee was messed up, so I was six weeks. I couldn't move.

I was just sitting there eating, just eating. So I went to go tie my shoe when I knew I was real fat. My son called me fat already. But, you know, he a hater anyway. So, you know, he's my oldest, so he a hater anyway. So when I knew I was real fat is when I went to bend over to tie my shoe and my stomach got in the way and I had to when i went to bend over to tie my shoe and my stomach got in the way and i had to move my leg to the side to get down there yeah yeah because i was

like well damn i would say but maybe because i remember you had mentioned that you your knee was bothering you yeah i said well maybe he had surgery yeah i did just out of commission okay boom but i was like well damn hold on take nobody no three four months to recover from no knee surgery yeah dude, dude, man. I had meniscus repair. So I was six weeks non-weight band. I couldn't put nothing on it. So I'm like, I'm about six, seven months out now.

Okay. How you did that? Old injuries? No. So what happened was the gym equipment that I was using at the gym, it failed. On you? So I had a at the gym, it failed. On you? So I had a band around my waist. Yeah.

And instead of using a band, I used a Velcro belt that they had there, a cheap Velcro belt to hook to the band. You do belt squats? No, I was doing banded RDLs. So you put the band over your ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, okay. So I'm doing like 315 and I'm doing doing the bandit, and then the thing snapped.

Ah. So to stop from falling on my face, I had to drop the weight and jump over, and I landed straight like this on this knee. Pop, yeah. You felt it when you did it? I went that day, got MRI, and was in surgery the next day. Yeah. Bam.

You got to stop doing that heavy. No, no. I mean, that's funny. We were, I mean, that ain't heavy already at 315.

But you added, you added, but now you got tension throughout the entire movement, which I know that's what you're looking for.

Yeah. You got to have that push. Yeah. You know, bro, you get, nah,

you're not close. Let's see. Oh, you, you what, 45? Age ain't got nothing, age ain't got nothing to do with strength if you got the right technique, huh?

Yeah. You supposed to know that. Why are we talking about strength with a man that's 175? Listen, I'm 205 right now. Listen. 205, what? Thank you.

Don't make me come up by this jacket, man. Please. But listen, we talk about strength. You talk about a man that's 175. But you know I've always been very very strong you just said you was 205

no I'm saying he's saying I was 175 I'm just listening to what he's talking about but I've always been very very strong so you talk about you doing

315 RDL I'm 315 on the bench I just did that workout this morning with uh you told me you do 225 25 times 27

I did 225 27 times when? when I did 225, 27 times. When? When I was training. It was about two months ago. Hey, man, you say stuff so well that I didn't know

I'm serious. I'm serious. I wouldn't believe it. You have people, listen, you have, talk to Chip. Chip was our straight-out

I know Chip, yeah. To ask Chip how I was in there. I did my workouts for the defensive linemen and the offensive linemen. I didn't even work out with the receivers. Just because you're working out with them, that don't mean you're doing their weight. No, I have to do their weight.

You know people are like, hey, I work out with Shavon Sharp. You have to do Shavon Sharp. I have to do that because I'd be in the way. I'd be in the way. I can't be in the way. So I would always go first and say, ask Andrew Whitworth. Who? Ask Whitworth.

I don't believe you, Shavon. Listen. You have to show me. Listen, I'll lie for you before I lie to you. Listen, you're going to have to show me. You're Steelers. What are they going to do with the quarterback? You want to see Russ or you see Justin Fields? Which one do I want to see yes um i don't know or does it matter i i don't really think it

matters too much to be honest with you i would i guess i would go with justin because he's younger um but yeah i don't i don't think it matters. I think they got to find another option. At quarterback? I believe so. Okay, okay. If that's... Okay, how about this? My boy, George Pickens.

Do they extend him or do you let him go? Just from what I'm seeing, what I'm hearing, I don't know if it was me. I would try and trade him. It's something for him. Too good. What you saying? That behavior.

It's just hard to win behavior like that. Yeah. That's just me. I mean, you see it, you know, it happens with, you know, it seems to just be happening a lot of times, you know times with the receivers. I don't know if it's just... That are really, really, really, really good. Yes. Let me ask you a question. Yes, sir.

Do you think George Pickens is the equivalent play of Luka Doncic in football terms? No. No, because he doesn't get the opportunities that Luka does. He is not Luka Doncic. What you're not going to do is sit here and discredit

George Pickens and how good he is in comparing him to goddamn Luka. For one, he doesn't get the opportunities and that type of... If you gave him the opportunities, would he be the third

or fourth best player in the NFL? Boy, he'd be the third. Third or fourth. What you talking about? So he'd be over... Hold on, hold on. Stay right there. Oh, I like you just said that.

You put... You put... You give... Total player, stay right there. Oh, I like you just said that. You put, you put, you give, let's think about Jamar Chase. Total player, period? Yes. No, I can't go there.

That's what I'm asking. Listen to me. Okay. I've seen his skill set. I know what he can do. Stay with me real quick. If he got the opportunities Jamar Chase got

in the Steelers offense, what do you think his numbers would be? I'm not saying no. Wait, let me finish. Let me finish. Wait,

the comparison with Luka, I mean, Luka always has the goddamn ball in his hands. Let me finish. But the comparison with Luka, I mean, Luka always has the goddamn ball in his hands. Let me finish. Okay. If George Pickens got the opportunity

Justin Jefferson got with Minnesota, what do you think his numbers would be? Numbers would be outstanding, but he still wouldn't be the third best player in the NFL. So that means you'd have to

put him in front. Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about receivers. No, I didn't say player. You said player. That's why I slipped out. That's why I went. I dropped back.

I'm talking about receiver. Receiver. Oh, yeah, absolutely. He has that kind of talent. That's why I went. I dropped back. That's why I dropped back. Receiver. Oh, yeah, absolutely. He has that kind of talent. Now, don't do me like that. No, but I'm saying. So I'm saying the negative behavior. Oh, yeah.

Now, that I don't like. And we done talked. We done had that conversation. Yes. I guarantee you won't have no problems with him no more. How can you get to that? I done had that conversation with him. I guarantee you.

And I don't want to sit here and talk about what we talked about. I understand. I understand what you're saying. But I guarantee you, and I don't want to sit here and talk about what we talked about. I understand what you're saying. Listen, that window of opportunity, well, that'd be shrink real fast, man. It's shrink real fast. It don't matter how good you are. I use your line.

They'll tolerate you until they can replace you. Mike would say that all the time. Oh, yeah, but there's no replacement for him right now, which is why I think he might get a little grace. So don't be surprised if he does come back.

Okay, but I think he's going to want a deal. He's not going to come back without a deal. You know what I'm saying? So I don't see with his current and past behavior, with me as an organization taking a chance of saying, hey, I'm going to give you this. I guarantee you, and I can stand on that right now, you've only had a number of problems out of George Pickens. Mike Tomlin, you're going to give you this. I guarantee you, and I can stand on that right now, you won't have no more problems out of George Pickens.

That goes Mike Tomlin, you're going to see this. You know, the Roonies, y'all are going to see this. I guarantee you won't have no problems no more. This ain't funny. NFL stand for not belong, man. You're not really. You look like for me from sitting here looking at you, you're not going to take that real.

No, I ain't going to lie, man. I couldn't. I mean, fantastic. We see it, dude. I'm not going to lie to you. Right. You know, like you said, the conversations you risk. No, I ain't going to lie, man. I couldn't. I mean, fantastic receiver, dude. I'm not going to lie to you. Right. You know, like you said, the conversations you had, the things I know, I just couldn't take that.

Right. I couldn't take that chance. I just know what he can do. I understand the value that he brings to an offense when he's utilized the right way. Hit his head off the goalpost any day. It's only a few receivers in the NFL can take a hitch and take a slam and take an 80.

Only a handful. Jefferson, Chase. I mean, all of them. You know, go halfway on a play, too. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, no. Ain't too many. Halfway.

You can go halfway on a play and not give all your ass. Oh, that part. Okay, okay. I see where you're going. I see where you're going. I see where you're going. Let me ask you this. What about Coach Tomlin?

He ain't going nowhere. What you mean? I mean, he's going to be there. What about Coach Tom? He ain't going nowhere. What you mean? I mean, he's going to be there. What do you got? Three more years left? I think it's a nice piece of money. Yeah, there was some speculation about him being traded. No, dude.

They're not going to trade him. You got a coach that, the good things. You got a coach that can win, can keep you above 500. He hasn't been below 500, what, almost 20 years, whatever it is. Do I go and get rid of that in hopes of getting something better? I don't know. It's six in one hand, half a dozen in the other. Also, the other things is you're at the Steelers organization.

Being above 500, that's not, you know, that's not the standard. No, no. And that's my argument. The standard is Lombardi. You know what I'm saying? That's the standard. Yeah. And, you know, when it comes down to it, you know, you got to sit back and you got to look at like, yo, you know, we ain't won a playoff game since 2016. You know, that's a hard thing, you know got to look at like yo you know we ain't won a playoff game since 2016 um

you know that's a hard thing you know to to look at you're talking what about a eight year drought there um but like i said that's that that's the negative things but since it's still three years left me i'm gonna have to let it ride out because you know the devil that i know is better than the devil that I don't know. So I think. Oh, I got to write that down. I think that's the thing, though, James, is that when you look at it and you're like, oh, he hasn't been.

But the standard, you're not paying that kind of money to be nine and eight. You're not paying that money to be 10 and seven. When the standard has always been Super Bowl. Yes. Playing for, winning, competing for Super Bowls. I don't think anybody goes into the beginning of the season and say, man, Steelers,

Steelers going to be in contention. They're going to be right there at the end. They're not. They get hot and then they fall. I don't know what, I don't know what's happening. They get hot for like nine, ten games

and then they just step off the cliff. Yeah, I can't, you know, I can't, I can't give you an explanation of that, why that happens. But, you know, when it comes down to it, you know, everything has to go back to the head coach. And it's not like you've got a head coach that's been there for three, four years. You've got a guy that's been there almost, you know, 20 years. Yes. So the lack of a quarterback, the lack of, you know,

offense, defense, whatever that is, it falls back on the head coach because you had plenty of time to have years to be like, all right, I need to get into, I need to draft this position because this person is coming up

and they won't be able to continue to play. And you have to get your next heir apparent at that position. And, you know, when you look at it, man, like... Listen,

when you look at it, man, I'm not saying you held on to Ben too long, man, to be honest with you. I'm saying you didn't get somebody to get ready to replace him. So similar to like an Aaron Rodgers-Jordan Love situation? Yes. Well, you don't want to piss your quarterback off because you see what happened

when they drafted Jordan Love. You got Aaron Rodgers pissed and they had to fork over somebody. They pissed off Brett Favre too. Oh yeah. It ended up getting a Super Bowl

and that's the same thing. Now, until you find that guy and the Bastille should know firsthand because they didn't do the proper job with Terry Bradshaw. So it wasn't,

they had those long years of mediocrity until they got a quarterback in Big Ben, which was in 2004. But think about when Terry retired. So you had 20 years of just, it's flailing around. And that's what, and similarly, that's what they are right now. Because unless you got a quarterback in this league now, when you first got to the league, run the football, play defense,

you can have a marginal quarterback, and you can win. I mean, you got to look at when Ben first came in, you know, that's what we did. We ran the ball, you know, and run, run. He'd hit them over the top, you know, and let him get the time to learn the game and figure out where the ball should go, where it shouldn't go over that course of time. And, you know, his biggest plays were, okay, it's a scramble, and he's tossing it 20, 30 yards down the field. Somebody's taking off.

So, you know, running the ball is something. I ain't going to lie, man. I really want to see you get back into it because it's just the physical aspect of enforcing your, you know, your will on somebody. They just cannot stop you. That's the great, you know what I'm saying? Now you put an eight or nine in a box, and now it's time to go to the top of the head.

Yeah. I like it. You like it? I like it. You want to coach? Do I want to coach? I do not want to coach unless it's my kids. I would be willing to do that if it was my kids.

But to put actual time. To put actual time. You understand the time that goes into it. Yes. It's a lot of time. It's You understand the time that goes into it. Yes. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of time that goes into it. Like, for me as a player, I put a lot of time into it. But as a coach, you're putting even more time into it, you know.

And that's not something that I'm willing to do. My love for the game, it's not that great. Especially, you know, if I'm playing it, I'm going to give you everything I got. Right. I'm going to be there from dusk till dawn. You know, I'm going to do everything I need to do to take care of my body. But just, you know, coaching it,

I don't have that love for it. And then, you know what it took to be great. And then you coach and you see guys rule-jiving around. Listen, that's something that

I would have a hard time with. Especially when you're looking at what they could be if they put in, you know, the time, the effort, you know. And that's not just, you know, on the field. It's in the weight room. It's in the offseason, you know, especially now where you don't have much practice and all that. You know, you got a lot of guys with all these soft tissue injuries. You know, they want to point to the field, the turf, and all that.

What you need to point to is guys aren't training like they used to. You aren't putting those forces on your body in the offseason, or you're not getting it leading up into the season. You only got three games. Guys play 20 snaps for the whole preseason, and then week one come, and you're like, hey, give me 100 miles an hour 65 plays and you wonder why dudes are tearing and getting all these soft tissue injuries it's because they're not preparing their body to go out and play a season when i trained my hardest thing was the offseason

like i put in more work i put in more strain on my body than i did in any practice. And that's the thing, though, because when you look at it, MMA. Why be MMA? It's still Chad. You know what I mean? He always go talk crazy. It's one thing about talking, but you know I'm going to get in there and You're trying. It's going to be a try.

You 100 what? How much weight? 205 right now. You're going to pick that little shit up with one hand. You're going to pick it up. Because he's going to pick that shit up with one hand. You're going to pick it up. Because he's going to pick that shit up with one hand. I'm going to pick up no money. Fuck this nigga, man. He just breaks off his ass.

Oh, bro. He talking about breaks. This ain't no car, nigga. He talking about breaks. This ain't no car, nigga. All right. All right. What we going to do, we going to get advertising sponsors.

I know he don't. I know he don't. I know he don't. I know he don't I know he don't I know he don't I know he don't This is what I'm more worried about I'm more worried about He might eat that little shit You throw at him

No forget what I told He ain't conditioned like I am He gonna be tired in two seconds He gonna try to throw a punch You gonna try and throw my weight back You said MMA Stop saying that If I hit you in your mouth.

Don't say that no more. How the hell did I get on this? I was walking by and I'm about to get hit in my mouth. Boy, God damn. Because y'all think they can... Hey, Peezy, you know I can't see Northeal. I don't like that people look at size and they determine wins and losses based off size. You saw David and Goliath.

Remember that story, right? Man, that was the Bible. Remember what happened? Yeah. Don't do that. Don't try to paint yourself up to be David. You read the Bible? Do you read the Bible? Do you read the Bible? Start reading.

Because you're going to need that, nigga. Boy, you good. I ain't going to need it. You're good. I thought you was good back then. I thought you was good back then. You know what? You know what?

No. I better. Hey, Chad. Chad, listen to me. Chad, listen. You heard me? Hey, Chad, listen. I'm going to listen.

Let me talk to you. Say, say. Let me talk to you. You didn't get good. Listen. No, I didn't. Hey, I'm not going to play no defense. Y'all take my life for a joke. My life ain't no joke. All my kids, I'm going to fuck you up. I just to you. Say, say. You didn't get good. No, I didn't. Hey, I'm not playing no deep. Hey, I take my life for a joke.

My life ain't no joke. All my kids, I'm going to fuck you up. I just need you. You know all that? All that. All that. I put it on my kids. I put it on my kids.

All that crazy. I'm going to bust you in your mouth. I put that on my kids. I'm like, oh, what? What's going on? What? I put that on my kids. You know I don't play by my kids.

I got 200 of them. I got you. But you good. Boy, you good. I'm going to show you I'm good. Are you really good? I'm going to show you I'm good. Hold on. Oh with my kids. You know I don't play by my kids. I got 200 of them. I got you. But you good. Boy, you good. I'm going to show you I'm good. And I'm going to show you I'm good. Hold on.

Oh, my God. What you got to do with me? You got something to say? Listen, man. I accepted my Lord and Savior in August of this past year, man. I was baptized. You were?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, mine went off. I can't even tell you. And see, what you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said I was going to do. Of your character, right? No. Listen, yeah. Well, mine ran off. I can't even stop it. What you about to make me do is go totally outside what I said. Of your character, right? No. Listen, man.

I think I might. I've been trying to hold this thing inside of me for a long time. Because ever since I got fined by Roger Goodell for $75,000, I've been wanting to kill somebody. I think you might be the person. That's fine. I think God done brought you here. That's fine. That's fine.

That's fine. Whatever you want to do. You know? Matter of fact, if you beat me, I add a $75,000 to your purse if you beat me. How about that? So you get your money back. That's how serious I am. Oh, you gonna give me that? I give it back. You might as well just write that right now. You got me fucked up, man. You might as well write that. How can I get involved in this? Y'all talking about

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I'm a back right. It's off your ass. You're from Akron? Yeah. I'm from City. Who? Dade County. I don't even know where that is.

I know. You don't know. You don't know. You're going to know when I lump your ass up. All right. All right. All right. How did I get in here?

I'm done. You know what? Matter of fact, I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. I did I get in here? I'm done. You know what? Matter of fact, I'm doing too much talking. Yes, you are. I'm doing too much talking. Let's just set this shit up, man. We got to run it. When you on it?

Yeah, man. Tomorrow? No, it don't matter. Nigga, we can do it now. We can do it now in front of everybody. It don't make me none. It don't matter where I'm at. Run it.

Can you go be around? Nigga, what you saying? Hey, run it. All I need you to do is run it. All I need you to do is run it. All I need you to do is run it. Hey, we got six bucks. I take everything else. We got six bucks.

I don't trust him. You playing, I don't trust him. You see him? No. You saved the bell. No, no, no. Listen, I'm trying to tell you. He's that pick-ball that he's...

Sit up. You get close enough, he's going to grab your ass. You said I pulled you down, right? You said what? I pulled you down. You He said, I pulled you down, right? He said, what? I pulled you down. I pulled you down for a reason. Hey, we got to see you. You playing.

Nigga's fat. I'm not playing. He's a dead ass. Oh, yeah, I was setting up. Hey, we got this. Talking about he's serious. What you thinking? Playing.

I ain't playing. Did I play with you on Sundays? Yeah. He come to me. He's acting like we about to fight before the game. I said, no, man, they're going to throw me out for real. I ain't got time to bet. CJ.

Like, I'm going to be. He pull up with his shirt rolled up. Come on, man. I said, no, man, they're going to throw me out for real. And he's going to get to play. But it's the thing. This ain't football no more. This is real life.

This is real life. You testing my manhood. You disrespecting me. This ain't football no more. This is real life. This is real life. And you testing my manhood and you disrespecting me. Are you going to... No. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. We'll see.

How much time do you need to get the knee right? Oh, I don't want no excuses. That's going to be his first excuse when you lose. Oh, my knee was messed up. Oh, my knee was... Is that right now?

I had a meniscus. Is that right now? I had a meniscus. I'm getting it tomorrow. Y'all bring me back. I'm getting it tomorrow. I'm going to go run and do my thing. Oh, my knee was... Is that right now? I had a meniscus. Is that right now? I had a meniscus. I'm getting tomorrow. Y'all bring me back. It's tomorrow. I'm going to run and do my thing. Oh, my knee.

Hit me back. I need some more of this, man. I need to get my content up. I'm going to beat that nigga ass, bro. I tell you what, man. Give him time. Whatever you need to do, Shay, give him the time, and he's going to need to gain some weight.

You might want to give him... I don't need to gain no weight. I don't need to gain no weight. I think six months will be good enough. Can you be ready in six months? I can be ready tomorrow, man. No, we need time. We got to sell this.

Well, shit. Now you quiet. Now you quiet. You quiet. Soft ass. Ain't nobody quiet. Soft ass. Okay.

Well, July. Soft ass. You soft, boy. I see through all that shit. I see through all that muscle. Shit ain't about nothing, boy. Okay. You got the right one. I soft, boy. I see through all that shit. I see through all that muscle. Shit ain't about nothing, boy. You got the right one. God, I'm going to.

You got the right one, baby. I'm trying to see what they said in the chat. Because, uh... I beat the chat ass, too. See, man, listen. We're going to have to... Listen. I'm tired. I'm not listening. Yeah. I'm Helen Keller. Don't going to have to listen. I'm tired.

I'm not listening. Yeah. I'm Helen Keller. Don't talk to me. Trying to make me laugh. I'm trying to make you laugh. For what? Because whatever you smile, we're going to be missing.

I don't bust your ass too bad. Okay. All right, bet. Nah. Nah, you got to game. Bet. You got to game. Hey, he asked for this.

He asked for this. Oh, I'm going to give you everything you're looking for. March, April, May, June, July, August. I think August will be about the right amount of time. I don't need it. I'm good now. You better talk to him.

Hey, Ryan, I'm going to fuck him up. Lies. All right. I got Debo, chat. That's fine. You know, I want you to better get... Because my teachers in high school said the same thing.

They didn't believe in me and look what I became. You did. Look where I've come. Ask who you got. Debo. Okay. Aaron, who you got?

Debo. Thank you. Thank you. Somebody that believe in me. That's Ocho's producer, Aaron. So, unfortunately, put all your money on him too. James Harrison, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you for joining us, Debo, man. Appreciate it. Hey, get right. Get the knee right. Yeah, get right. You got this. Listen. Get right.

Yeah, I know. I know. I ain't lying, man. It's going to be the easiest. Okay. I thought playing football was easiest. Okay. That's going to be the easiest money

you ever made. Okay. Ever made. We'll see. You're going to get the money right. Yeah, we'll see. The money okay, right? Get some money. We'll see. Yes. That's how I know he's going to be the easiest money you ever made. Okay. Ever made. We'll see. You earned the money right. Yeah, we'll see. The money okay, right? We'll see.

Yes. That's how I know he's going to get his ass whipped because he's worried about the money. No. I'm going in for business. You're going in for business? I'm going in for business. What you doing after this show? Huh?

What you doing after this show? I'm going to go to the French Quarter and smoke a cigar. You want to go? Tell me where you're going. I'll meet you there. Okay, bet. We can take care of it then. I just told you. I just told you. I'm going to be in the French Quarter. I'm going to be in the French Quarter smoking a cigar? You want to go? Tell me where you're going. I'll meet you there. Okay, bet. We can take care of it then. I just told you.

I just told you. I'll be in the French Quarter smoking a cigar. Okay. So whatever you want to do. Yeah. All right. We got our next guest

coming to the stage, Ocho. Hey. I ain't even shaking your hand. Go ahead, yo. I don't need to shake your hand. What you talking about? All right, bet. Take it easy.

All right, bet. Bet I see you. Hey, I got Debo. All right, next up into the game is the San Francisco 49ers All World... Oh, yeah, we gonna be good. We gonna be good. Go to the stage right now. Is the San Francisco 49ers all world? Oh, yeah, we're going to be good.

We're going to be good. The stage right now is the San Francisco 49ers all pro linebacker. One of the best defensive players in all of football. Red Warner. What's up, buddy? What's up, bro? how you doing four-time all-pro linebacker joins us on behalf of Experian which can help improve your financial health and keep more money in your pocket you may have seen Fred and his wife sitting in commercials highlighting how people can save money and time with experience by canceling unwanted subscription

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Save you time and money. I like it. You get your former defensive coordinator back. Robert Sala comes back. Last time you guys went to the Super Bowl, you coming back. Right.

What happened this year? Because you guys were in the Super Bowl. You guys were in this situation just last year. Right. This year back. Right. What happened this year? Because you guys were in the Super Bowl. You guys were in this situation just last year. Right. This year, some injuries. What happened? What does the 49ers need to do

to get back in this position? And what happened this year? Yeah, I mean, everybody talks about the injuries, right? I think it just, when you go through the whole year, things just unraveled at the exact wrong time,

I think you can just call it, right? We thought we had a chance to really get back on track. Mid- think you can just call it, right? We thought we had a chance to really get back on track. Mid-season, we get Christian back, right? You know, we win a big game on the road against the Buccaneers. Buffalo, we think we can come bounce back after a bad game against Green Bay.

He gets hurt. We lose guys on the D-line. We lose Trent. We lose B.A. Like, all these injuries kind of just happened at the wrong time, and we just weren't able to continue to compete at a high level.

So we got to get back, man. We got to get back on track this offseason, get guys healthy, and get that dog back in us. Now, when you think about the offseason, right, are there any pieces, any acquisitions that you see fit that can help and bolster the defensive side of the ball, the offensive side? Are you happy with the core guys you guys have? I mean, I see Myles Garrett asking for a trade.

I'm like, hey, hey. What up, man? We're dumping it up at the Pro Bowl. Yeah, yeah. I love my team. I love who we have, right? You're always looking

for more pieces, you know, more improvement. Of course, you know, we need improvement going into the next season, of course, based on the season we have. But I love everybody that we got in our locker room. It's going to take everybody just taking a look in the mirror and just taking that need improvement going into the next season. Of course, based on the season we had. But I love everybody that we got in our locker room.

It's going to take everybody just taking a look in the mirror and just taking that next step going into the next season. What if, Braden Warner, obviously you've been a multi-time All-Pro player. You've gone to Pro Bowl. You've gone to Super Bowl. What's left? What do you want to accomplish, say, the next four or five years of your career? Four or five Super Bowls. Four or five super bowls four or five super man

that's that's honestly what the only thing i'm chasing at this point right when i when i wake up in the morning it's no longer of like all right i'm trying to just be the best in the game right i want to be the best of all time and what does that require not only playing at the best the highest level but having a champion having the championships right that that's the ultimate team award is a Super Bowl ring. And so what do you have to do? You got to go outside yourself. You got to get uncomfortable now.

Where you going, you're getting after your teammates. Like, hey, man, come train with me. Come train in the Bay. Like, let's get after it. Let's get to it. So we're making sure that we're training together and we're doing things the right way to when ultimately the season comes, boom,

now we're even that more locked in, the chemistry there, the camaraderie. We got to build that up to start getting these rings going. What about a DP or why? Absolutely. Because, you know, you look at the great linebackers from Singletary to Buccas, Ray Lewis, Erlacher, Keeley,

all those guys are able to accomplish that at the middle linebacker position. And I think you're in that category. Absolutely. But you're going to need to get one of those. Yeah, I'll take it a step further. Why not MVP? Okay. Or you're going to be the LT. Come on, man. There's going to be two of those, man.

Adam Page. LT. I figured I want to shoot for MVP and if I fall down on DPOY, hey, that's great too. That's the mindset though. Yeah. I'm trying to think. It's early. I've asked everybody that's been on here this. It's early. It's February right now now i'm not sure how much time you take off from uh your season before you start back training what do you do in the offseason what does that look like before you

get back into business uh before getting back into it i mean i all that time in season when i'm dedicating that to just strictly football like i want to give some time back to my family right my wife my son. I got a 10-month-old boy at home who needs his daddy. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of using that time to take some trips, spend some more time with them.

Unfortunately, I got to come do stuff like this because I'm not playing in the Super Bowl, but it is a pleasure, obviously, being amongst the greats and do stuff like this. But, yeah, man,

just spending time with family. That's dope. Yeah, that's dope. Yeah, I mentioned Robert Salasace coming back what does he add to the defense that maybe was missing because a lot of the pieces were there i mean obviously you got you and bolsa and floyd was there a couple of dbs missed some time uh with injuries um but what what is his voice being you hearing his voice in your headset what does that do for you? What does that do for you? And what does that do for this defense?

I mean, it just adds another layer of stability, right? Having a guy that's proven, that's been there and done it. And with our team, not only just in this league, but with our team. He's the one that brought me in as a 49er. He knew exactly what he wanted at the position, at each position, right? And so we're looking at a really young secondary coming back this year, a defensive line who obviously was a little banged up, but getting those guys back going.

You know, we don't know what the second level is going to look like yet. I want my boy Dre Greenlaw back with me. But having him as the ultimate teacher to get to right the ship and get us back to playing dominant defense, we're going to need it. This is what I want to ask you.

Here's the situation. Dre comes back. Andre Campbell was in. He was playing he played well right but drake greenlaw you and him y'all got chemistry and they inserted him back into the starting lineup and campbell's like nah this ain't for me did you know he had did what he had done on the field or did you learn about it once you got into the locker room? Yeah, no, I didn't know. I didn't know it was unfolding in real time. I found out later on.

I truly wish Devontae would have handled it a different way because obviously now that's a horrible way to go out. But yeah, man, it's just unfortunate that he had to, you know,

make that decision. As a competitor, as a competitor, as Brady George's your position, do you understand where he was coming from? Even though he handled it the wrong way,

do you understand that? No, no. No, there's, you know, obviously you got to look at it from both lenses, right? You got to look at it from obviously our team perspective.

And you don't sell the team. You can't do it. But from his perspective, obviously he wants to be on the field. He wants to make sure he treated, you's treated with respect and whatnot, which he obviously felt like he was disrespected. So, you can look

at it from both angles, but at the end of the day, you can't handle it like that. It's just tough for me because, look, you understood why you was there. You was there because Greenlaw wasn't available. Had Greenlaw been available, you wouldn't have been there. It wasn't like a whole lot of people beat down your door. I think along the way, there had to have been there. It wasn't like a whole lot of people beat down your door.

Along the way, there had to have been some sort of miscommunication. I wasn't able to even have that conversation with him because now, obviously, he up and left, and the ties have been cut there, but we'll never know. We had this conversation with Michael Pittman Jr. When his quarterback tapped his head and said he was tired, he didn't even blow. What did he say? I'm curious.

I want to know what he said. They had a conversation. They had a team meeting to know what was expected of him and what was going to be accepted of him. But the one thing, like you said, we're a team. When you're a team, the one thing, we don't leave anybody behind. We go down. Let's handle it after the game.

After the game over, we're going to handle this. Yeah. I mean, and I get it. I mean, I don't think there's ever a time. I mean, you suited up. Right. You should have said, look, if I don't start, coach, if I don't start, I don't feel comfortable in play. Right.

You can't wait till they need you. No, no, no, no. That's the part that I got a problem with. Sure. He waited until they needed him the most. Right. And to pull this. Yes.

It was all handled the wrong way you know obviously i'm sure he wishes he could have handled it differently but it is what it is now yeah what do you guys what do your team need to do i mean you guys you mentioned you have some injuries the offense played well uh purdy's gonna get a big contract you know when your quarterback get those big contracts you know some people sometimes a lot of times fred they have to go. Contracts, you know, gets restructured. Or some teams, you got to cut some really, really good players.

Some really, really tough decisions that John Lynch, the GM, and Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, they're going to have to make. And a lot of the guys that were on that roster for that final game, they're not going to be back, Fred. Right. I mean, but that's every year. Regardless of the party situation. Right. Like, you can go look at Philadelphia, for example.

Like, they paid Jalen Hurst now. They paid him a good back. Yeah. But their team is loaded. And why is that? They've been able to hit in the draft and develop young talent. Yes. Where they're now thinking, like, everybody's looking at their team like,

oh, my gosh, how are the Eagles so loaded? Guess what? They found a guy in Zach Bond who was an edge rusher over with the Saints who's now an all-pro office ball linebacker. Yep. Like, you're hitting in the right areas. You've got, obviously, Jalen Carter in the draft who's an all-pro at D-tackle. You sign a guy like Saquon Barkley who's one of the big-time hits that you had.

And then everybody else who you already have on your roster is playing at a high level. So it's about just doing, like, these little things that you're hitting on and everything coming together all at once to then ultimately give yourself the best chance to win at the end. Yeah, you definitely, Howard Roseman has done an unbelievable job in the draft. You look at Cooper DeJohn, you look at the other corner, Mitchell. You mentioned they lose Jason

Kelsey and they get the guy to replace him. He goes to the Pro Bowl. You had those big guns outside. You had Lane, you had Maulata. You had Dixon. Dixon in there. And you're right. They've done a great job in the draft.

And they've added some few pieces. They go out and make the trade for A.J. Brown. Yup. Huge. And when you hit him like that, it's like you don't know. I mean, A.J. Brown was phenomenal with the Titans. But, I mean, he took another step, another level with Philly and found another level over here. So it's like

you never know, but they're doing it right over there. And the funny thing about it, when it comes to the Eagles and the way they're running things up there is they keep not only are they hidden, they keep on hidden. Every time it always makes sense. It's like they're playing chess, but they're making every move right.

Yeah. The thing with you guys, what hurt you guys, is that you're going so far in the playoffs that you're not picking 10. You're not picking – you're picking 30 of them. So Jada Carter is not going to be – Well, that's why now it's a unique situation right now. We got 11. In the first round, we got to pick 11.

So, obviously, you know, they're going to use that however they see fit. And let's roll. Like, let's use it to our advantage. Well, what would have helped had you not gave up all those picks for Trey Lance? That really set y'all back, Trey. You gave up the first round of the high draft. But I ain't going to say that. I'm not going to blow my pay grade.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fred Warner, All-Pro Linebacker representing Experian. Make sure you go download the app, learn how to save money, take control of your finances, and you can save time. Fred, thanks for joining us. Appreciate you, bro. If y'all need some extra legs

down in the bay, let me know now. Hey, come on. Talk to me. You, Miles, we... He's done it. I'm never done it. He's doing it.

He's talking. And he don't believe in me. Listen, I'm finna fight Debo, right? I'm finna fight James Harris. You finna fight Debo? I'm finna beat his ass. Fred, I I'm gonna beat his ass y'all y'all fight. Oh, yeah, but no get MMA Frick so so you don't believe me either you see me That see we always look at people's size and think that means MMA don't like on the ground like

How's he gonna touch me for it As quick and fast as I still am. You're going to keep the jab. Man, I'm going to beat the dog shit out of his ass. Listen, I'm Team Debo now. It ain't Debo. He literally Debo. But I'm Ocho. What happened to Debo on Friday?

Oh, he got slapped. All right, there we go. That's it. I appreciate you. Good to see you. I appreciate you. Good to see you. Good to see you, too. All-pro linebacker Fred Warner. In a recent interview, Packers running back Josh Jacobs was asked

if he believes the team should add pizza this offseason. Jacobs candidly responded, I think we need like three. Fellow teammates Don Vontaevich, I forget, Wicks, replied to this interview, thumbs down. We called out Packers fans, tweeting out a lot of Packers fans. F you, man. If you all play a crazy, did the Packers look to bolster their wide receiving core, Ocho,

this offseason? Wait, they want to bolster their wide receiving core when there's nothing wrong with their wide receiving core? Listen, you have a young core of guys. Maybe bring in a veteran presence. I'm thinking, is there a veteran presence that can come in and help, that they can learn from? Cooper Cup comes to mind.

Cooper Cup comes to mind. But again, the young receivers have done a phenomenal job, though. They've done a great job. I don't know if you want to mess up that chemistry and continuity that he has with Jordan Love and those guys. I mean, John Jacob asked, he said,

we need to bring in three pieces. He didn't say they need to be wide receivers. Yeah, so... But the wide receivers, I guess the wide receivers... They heard you. Well, you ask an offensive player that, then they think it's coming from an offensive perspective on what they need to bring in.

So I kind of understand. Man, he said, Jaden Reed called out Packer fans, tweeting out a lot of y'all Packer fans, so F you. F'd up, man. a lot of y'all Packer fans. So F you. F'd up, man. That's your own players? It's crazy.

I mean, he just, I mean, I think the thing is, look, it's never easy when a teammate says, yeah, I think we, because who brings back the status quo? Right. The exact same roster. Right. And expect you're going to improve. You have to make tweaks somewhere, Joe. But also, wait a minute. Let's say, let's say not making any tweaks.

Sometimes bringing back the same thing, the continuity and the chemistry that they do have might be better than it was last year because now you have another year under your belt. But I think you still got to bring some pieces in. Look, you're going to lose some and you're going to add some. You just hope the pieces that you add are in the right area because because you're going to lose some pieces nobody's staying the exact same right tampa tried that after they won the super bowl brought all their guys back and that didn't work out quite well and so i don't think why would you ever if you didn't win the championship bring all

the pieces stay exactly the same right when you didn't capture your ultimate goal right but with that being said he was like like, I guess he felt that a teammate, excuse me, a teammate shouldn't say what he said. But he didn't say a position. He didn't say a specific position.

He just said maybe three pieces. He didn't say where those three pieces should be. You know, when you got a puzzle, three pieces to the puzzle is pretty large. It can go anywhere.

Anywhere. But I think sometimes, Ocho, when it's always a family member. Yeah. We can take criticism for outside, but if it's family, if it's from inside. And when you look at

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is two Ocho played for the Bengals, Ted Karras And Alex Kappa Each one One What's up bro

How you doing man What's up bro How you doing What up baby Good to see you man What's up Let's go Have a seat

Tell us Tell us What brings you out To see the bounty The clicker picker No hold on The bounty wingman We're the bounty wingman today We're the bounty wingmen today.

Because you can't have football without wings. You cannot. You cannot have. And you can't have wings without bounty. You cannot. Can't do it. So is this a two-ply, the quicker picker-up, all right? Oh, this is the good stuff.

The good stuff. Really good stuff. This is the diesel. Okay. I like it. Listen, we might as well be in Cincinnati right now. There we go. How has your experience so far been at Super Bowl?

This week? Just coming straight to Radio Row. I've been to New Orleans a few times. Uh-huh. I love this town. You like it? Yeah. How's it been so far? It's been good. I had some beignets last night. Unbelievable.

But it's been good, man. Just hanging out here. Talk to us about the season. Obviously, you guys didn't make the playoffs I had some beignets last night. Unbelievable. But it's been good, man. Just hanging out here. Okay. Okay. Talk to us about the season. Obviously, you guys didn't make the playoffs. And having been to the Super Bowl, you know what that's like. So what are the bingles? What do you guys need to do to make sure that next year in San Francisco that you guys are not able to come to Radio Row?

Yeah, I mean, you can't throw away games, right? Like, if you look at our early season, we had too many games that we just threw away. Like, four or five games we should have won and we didn't make the play. And when you do that, it's tough to dig yourself out

of a hole even if you want to run at the end there. That Patriots game really hurt, huh? Because when you look back at it and see where they finished and look where that one game, what, if

you like, and that's what it comes down to during the season. There's game here, game there. But you're like, hold on. We lost to that team. They're going to be picking third in the draft.

And we lost to that team. And they potentially kept us out of the playoffs. Yeah, no. I think that's officially something that's on our back as a program is to get these early wins in the season and not play from a two, three-game deficit against Kansas City, Buffalo, Baltimore. And just be in the pack. Because it's going to be tight regardless. Yes.

But we can't draft three to start and expect to do anything in the NFC. But you know how close those games are even between teams that win a lot of games and teams that don't. If you don't play well, you're going to lose those games. It's that simple. You look at Kansas City. One score game, they don't lose one score games. You lose a couple of those games, not all of a sudden. It works out different. Some teams, one score game, they don't lose one score games. You lose a couple of those games, now all of a sudden, it works out different. Some teams, one score game, they might be two and eight.

Another team in one score game, they might be eight and two. That's the difference between a team making the playoffs and a team that doesn't make the playoffs. What do you got to look? You lose your defensive coordinator, you bring, I think Al, I think Golden comes back in. He was a BB, a linebacker. End up going to Notre Dame, becoming the DC.

He comes back. What are some of the things that you think you guys need to do in order to improve this overall team to make sure you guys were just in the Super Bowl about four years ago? How do you get back? So I think it just starts with preparation. We got to come out of camp healthy and ready to go.

Prepared, healthy, ready to go for week one, week two, and put ourselves in a great position in our division and in our conference. You know, I'm excited for Scott Peters, our new line coach. He's going to bring a great, refreshing new energy to our room. I've talked to Dave Andrews up in New England, and, you know, he speaks very highly of him. So I'm excited to get to work with him.

Yeah, and it's not wholesale changes. Like, I mean, every game is going to be close the whole year. So it's making those plays. It comes down to execution. And if you execute

in those close games, that's the difference. Better. Get them right. Get them right. Also, you know, also I want to point out also watching us,

I'm saying us, even though I'm not on the team right now, watching us throughout the years, we always have a problem and issue with starting slow. We always start slow where we have to find our way, pick ourselves out the hole. What do you think we can do from an offensive and defensive standpoint to where we can get a season finally where we start fast for a change

and it's not so hard to climb back into and contention later on in the season. I think we're probably going to, it's probably going to be a little bit different of a spring program.

Right. And obviously camp too. And, you know, I think that Zach wanted to play us more in this preseason. I think we'll probably

have a bigger volume in the preseason coming up. You just talked about that. Yes. Because I'm from the old school. Yeah. I used to play the first preseason game. There in the preseason coming up. You just talked about that. Yes, because I'm from the old school. We used to play the first preseason game. There's four preseason games.

Obviously, if you went overseas or you played the Hall of Fame game, you played five. But we would play 10 plays. The first preseason game, we played 10 plays. And then we'd play 20. The third preseason game was just our dress rehearsal. So we're playing three quarters. And then the fourth game, we were out.

Now a lot of these guys that y'all you guys don't even play the preseason how difficult and now you ask well you don't play the entire preseason all right we're gonna turn it up we want you to go all out 60 plays that's asking an awful lot guys yeah but you still see see teams do it like i think the rams when they won the super bowl they didn't play at all in the preseason so I don't I mean it's doable I don't like to look at that as like kind of an excuse like I really think

it comes down to executing plays like why did we lose those games I don't think it's because we didn't play in the preseason I think it's because

we didn't play well you know what I mean I was just kind of pointing to something that we could change to just change up the mojo right right

yeah at the start of the season this is really the first season that Joe has been completely healthy. I don't know how much he played because he was nursing a calf injury, so he didn't participate a lot

during training camp. But this is really the first season that he hasn't been healthy, that he was healthy, and you guys didn't make the playoffs. Because normally when he's healthy, you guys make a deep run. AFC Championship game or Super Bowl.

How important it is to make sure that he's healthy, he's upright, because when he's upright, he's as good as we have him to lead. Yeah, I mean, and that shows that it's a team game, because he was playing as good as he could play, and when we all didn't play well enough around him, but obviously our job is to take care of him, and he's best in the world, I mean.

One of the best questions, because I was always interested like, when your guy beats you for a sack, and you go like, damn, I sure hope Joe didn't know that was my guy. He'll know soon enough. Put it right on the screen. You got to get out in front of it.

That's on me, bro. That's on me. My bad, my bad. So guys, you're representing Bounty. So what are you guys doing for Bounty? We're wingmen, dude. Wingmen stick together. Wingmen are there for each other. And so we're just representing wingmen. You know, Bounty? We're wingmen, dude. Wingmen stick together. Wingmen are there for each other.

And so we're just representing wingmen. You know, Bounty, they said there's billions of wings eating Super Bowl week or something like that. Bounty will keep it clean.

But it's rare. It's very rare that offensive linemen get an opportunity to pitch products. Oh, yeah. Normally it's skill players, the quarterback,

the quarterback, wide receivers, DBs, linebackers. Now, you two guys are actually pitching products. Well, we're the dynamic duo. I mean, once you see this guy eat wings, then you would understand.

He's a wing construe. All flats. All flats? No drums? Never. I like that. I'm a flat guy. I'm a flat guy,

but don't act like you're too good to eat a drum. Come on. Yeah, I was about to ask. Flats or drums? So so if we get if we get a 50 platter how many flats how many drum it i go 30 20 35 i'm going 50 50 50 he thinks he's better than people that's why i am better you can grill them better right they're better sauced up it's a better dip it's not as like uh you, sometimes in the drum you get like that sinewy tissue.

Right. Yeah, that is true. Pure meat. Okay. Yeah. I like that. I have one question. I want to take it back to football real quick, especially during the offseason with some

things that are going to have to happen. We're going to have to pay Jamar Chase. We're going to have to pay T. Higgins. Do you think it's possible to be able to fit everybody under that umbrella and being able to pay what they deserve based on their play thus far? There's always a way. I mean, you look at teams that manipulate the cap like crazy. There's always a way.

You don't even need to manipulate it this year. It's going to 275. But you have to understand, you talk about teams being able to manipulate the cap, but teams also don't have a T. Higgins. Teams don't also have a Joe Burrow and a Jamar Chase. And most teams don't have a Mike Brown as an owner. It's tough to let you know. Don't talk about my owner.

Well, we'll defend Mr. Brown on the show. Let him know, Ocho. That's the biggest thing. The teams that manipulate the cap, those are the teams that really want that, really spend money,

and they'll worry about the cans. On the back end. Sometimes you got to sell out for a couple of years and see what happens. You mentioned the Rams. That's what they did.

They make the thing with Matthew Stafford and they got, they got the trade, make the trade for Von Miller and you got AD and you got Leonard Floyd and you make a trade

for Odell Beckham. You get Jay Marks. We did it in Tampa too. We did it in Tampa. And now they're still winning even though like some of that Tom Cap, they had to carry over stuff like that, but they found a way to win.

And the thing is that you bring that mindset in there. Once guys get a taste of winning. Oh, yeah. It sticks. Well, that's, I think, why Patrick Mahomes is so dynamic. He knows how to win that organization. I mean, they're winning games 19 to 11, you know, 15 to 10. It's like, oh, those are weird games, but somehow they're winning.

It doesn't even seem like they're playing that good. And then they come out and win the game. That's all that matters, too, in this league. That really is all that matters. Thank you, guys. Ted Karras, Alex Kappa. Thank you, guys, for joining us. Bounty Wing.

Thanks to the Wingmans. Check it out. Thank you, guys. Can't have wings without bounty. Can't have wings without bounty because somebody's got to clean up that mess. Thanks for having us. Thanks, guys. I'll see you. We out?

Yep. Thanks, fellas. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Good luck. We're taking. Appreciate it. I got you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What's up, bro? Coming to the stage.

What they do, baby? You got it? Cleveland Browns All-World Cornerback Denzel Ward. My guy. D, you up, Ocho. D, who up? You.

You might be talking about Madden. You. You might be talking about Madden You You need to talk about Madden I done studied I done studied him to a T I could tell him about

This whole game What he gonna do Down the distance D you up Nathaniel The great Hey listen One of the greatest technicians

Are you gonna be seeing The tweets where I talk about Oh man Oh I studied I appreciate that I ain't even playing the game. Yeah. You can't.

Boy. They said you can't. The real deal. Yeah. Hold on. I got one. I'm a technician. Denzel Ward, number one.

That goddamn Stingley. Now, everybody can play Cone. Mm-hmm. But it's different. I'm talking about that. Remember the play? You just said PS2. Nah, no. Hold on, hold on. No, I say... I'm talking about that. Remember the play? You just said PS2. Nah, no, hold on, hold on.

No, I say certain, I'm talking about technical, like it's different. The skill set, you know, watching somebody 6'2", and then watching somebody, how tall you is? Six foot. Yeah, it's different. Oh, he's so fucking fluid by the hip, the footwork. Number one. I ran the deep.

Higgins? That was Higgins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm mad. I'm mad, dog. Right, you're deep. Higgins. That was Higgins? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm mad. I'm mad, dog. You picked it. Oh, dog. Dog, that's.

Denzel, thanks for joining us. Obviously, the other day, you know about it. I don't know how soon you heard about it, but Miles Garrett sent a letter to the Cleveland Browns. He's asking for a trade. Mm-hmm. Care to comment? Anything you want to say?

Oh, man. Like I said earlier in the season, I feel me and Miles, we like Shaq and Kobe. So I've been saying that. So I want to play with Miles Garrett. You know, I don't want him to leave. But if he leave, what's up? You asking him to give it to him? I don't know.

Just check the details under the trade. I might be in there, but I don't know, man. Like, I want to always say I love Cleveland. I'm a hometown kid in Cleveland. And shoot, I mean, I want to stay home. Miles is saying we got to get this thing rolling. But you never know. That's the NFL.

We'll see what happens. You also have to understand, when you look at the landscape of the NFL, you've got the teams that win consistently year in and year out. There's one position that allows you to contend for a Lombardi trophy. And that's the quarterback position. Now, the Browns haven't been able to find a quarterback adequate enough to make sure they're always in contention year in and year out. Correct.

So at some point, you do understand where Myles Garrett is coming from about his wish and hopes to contend for a Lombardi. Yeah, no doubt. I mean, that's the main thing. I mean, just last year, we had the number one defense. Yes. So, I mean, we got things kind of settled, I feel, on that end. So, like I said earlier, we need to solidify the quarterback position.

Our quarterback being hurt and we just been rotating guys in and out and it's hard to win like that in the NFL so do you feel you're the best DB in the league

no doubt no doubt like you said I feel I'm a technician I feel I'm the number one technician in the league at corner I feel I'm a playmaker too

like I make play I'm the most playmaking corner out there in the game or whatever it's a funny thing when you talk about DBs right 95% of DBs play right? Mm-hmm.

95% of DBs play not to get beat. You got 5% play to make a play. There's a difference. Mm-hmm. There's a complete difference. You don't understand. I can sit here and talk about DB play. Yeah.

I like DB play as opposed to receiver more. More. Do you think, I want you to be honest with yourself. Yeah. Do you think at any point in your career, right now, when you came in, when you was in college,

that you could cover me? I thought that was a rhetorical question. You know, I just want to know if you really feel you could do that. Yes. Like, serious? Serious. No, I mean like, You think you'd get over it?

In your prime, you think you'd get over it? In prime, I can get over on your ass right now. Oh, you know, I'll tell you one clip you got, uh, hand up.

Oh, time out, time out. For one, I ain't having no clicks. I ain't see, I'll tell you one clip you got hand up and the famous practice told me not. Time out, time out. For one, I ain't having no clicks. I ain't see, I ain't see your feet. I really couldn't dig up out of it

like I wanted to. When he stabbed, I was just going to go up under it. I couldn't get up under it because I had no grip. Yeah. I'm going to say

the old Ocho, he would have got around it. Yeah, yeah, that's the old Ocho. I'm 57. Now he's just an old Ocho. Not an old Ocho, the old Ocho.

But let me ask you this. When you look at Jerry Judy, he came to Cleveland after some years in Denver and the quarterback play had a lot to do with that. He was technical. Now you talk about, I can imagine those one-on-ones in practice because he's technical.

He can get in and out of breaks. He got great movement. What did you see? What do you think the biggest difference was between him and Cleveland and him and Denver? I think it could have just been opportunities, for real. Opportunities, but like you say, he's a smooth route runner. He's going to get in and out them breaks like that. In practice, we going at it every time.

So we getting each other better for the games. But yeah, I think it's just opportunities. Getting the opportunity to get the ball more and being that number one guy. He's the number one guy for us, and he's been making it happen this year. How was it having Jameis in the locker room? We see Jameis there, he be eating doves,

giving those sermons. No, I love Jameis, man. Jameis is a great quarterback. I feel sure he is giving us the best chance to win. He's going to throw that ball when he get out there. But just a great team guy in the locker room. Like, what you see on film and the clips, viral clips, like, that's really who he is.

That's him. So you got to appreciate that and love who he is. Listen, since you've been in the league right now and you understand the landscape of the receivers, who do you think the best receiver in the game is? Or just give me your top three based on those you've played against. Yeah, like since I've been in the NFL? Or like right now?

Right now. I'm going to put Jamar up there. Just having to see him two times a year, that's always going to be a battle. So Chase, Devontae, I went against him. Adams. Jefferson. Yes, Yeah. Jefferson.

Yes, okay. What'd you say? Three or five? What'd you say? I mean, your top three is good. Yeah, I'm going to go with that. Is there someone that gives you trouble? Like, when I talk about DBs,

obviously during my playing day, and I think of someone that gave me trouble, there was only one. And that was Revis. Revis, yeah. There was only one, you know. In regards to where it was in my career, it was technically sound. He was patient. it was in my career technically he was patient

nigga had patience like Sally Mae you know people ain't finna pay Sally Mae kind of patiently had to do the lines so nothing I did would really work

he would arm bar he was always in position and then his ball skills he had the balls you have the same ball skills you and Derek Stingley might be the only two

I know that have elite ball skills that don't get impatient they don't panic when the ball isn I know that have elite ball skills that don't get impatient they don't panic when the ball isn't there that's the biggest thing nice and

calm yeah but he had that same thing what receiver gives you trouble if there was one right it's okay to be it's okay to be honest yeah I'm beyond it like it's a lot of

great receivers but I don't feel no one just give me like oh it's just crazy trouble no but when I first came into the league Antonio Brown though, going against him as a rookie,

I feel like, okay, you know, this is really a matchup. Like, he put pressure on me. Right, right.

I mean, it's a lot like Chase, like that's a tough matchup and stuff like that, but I don't think guys, and it's too many guys is really just, I feel working me.

Right, right, right, right, right. Okay, I got you. I got you.

I would look at it, looking at your size, I would say, they're not really the big receivers. You remember like, T.O. was a big receiver, Julio right. Okay, I got you. I will look at it. Looking at your size, I would say they're not really the big receivers. You remember like T.O. was a big receiver. Julio was a big receiver. Guys that play through contact. I would think a smaller guy that's your size. Just as quick.

Right, right. It's those big guys that use their physicality. They want you to try to put your hands on them so they can play through that contact. How do you adjust that? How do you adjust to that? Do you prefer playing against bigger receivers knowing that you can transition better than them knowing that it takes them a while to get out they break and i didn't see you but you twitchy as hell now what you prefer that that's that's a good question that's

a that's a tougher part too going against a bigger receiver right like let's say mike gavin's i think it depends on where you at on the field too like we in the red zone okay then they might get a little turn they try and throw a jump ball but i've been when we in the red zone. Okay, then they might get a little turn. They trying to throw a jump ball in the back of that. But I feel when we in a big field, I don't really have no issue where that big receiver, short receiver, or whatever,

just using my quickness and technique. I feel that's what put me in position. How do you stop? Because I think the hardest ball to stop, the hardest field to stop is the back shoulder. I knew it. How do you stop that back shoulder?

Because if you behind him, he's going to throw the goal ball. If you in front of him, he's going to back shoulder you. How do you defend that? Really, you're trying to dictate the route. So me, he's going to throw the goal ball. If you're in front of him, he's going to back shoulder you. How do you defend that? Really, you're trying to dictate the route. So, me, I'm going to take away the nine, the deep ball first. And then force him to.

Because, I mean, that's a tough throw. You got to really be on timing. Like, the only guys I've really seen on great timing is Aaron Rodgers and Devontae. And that's Green Bay. And Green Bay is when they were able to hit that back shoulder like that. So, the back shoulder, I don't think that's going to beat you. Or in a game, you want to take away that nine ball first. That's why I'm taking it away.

And then I'm just going to compete back on the back shoulder. All right, that's what's up. Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns All-World DB, says, hey, me and Miles Garrett might be a package deal. No, he didn't say that. Miles Garrett, the Magic Trade, he wants to play with Miles Garrett. Hopefully it's in Cleveland, but it doesn't seem like Miles wants to finish his career in Cleveland. Come on down to Cincinnati.

No, he don't want to. But like you said, you want to win also. I want to be at this game and not doing what we're doing here today so good luck down the road

thanks for stopping by Nightcap we appreciate it appreciate y'all you can't come from me though you already know that you know I can't

yeah I know you DM up I ain't even working on that that's it? Oh, man. We done? Where Debo at? Where Debo at?

Hey, Chad. He gonna see you in August. Chad, I just want y'all to know how serious this is. It's not a game. I'm finna start training right now. Six months. I got six months. I'm gonna holler at Adesanya because Adesanya, we probably had the same skill set, same height. I'm finna beat his motherfucking ass. I promise you that's on my kids. You got the same skill set as Adesanya, because Adesanya, we probably had the same skill set, same height. I'm going to beat his motherfucking ass.

I promise you, that's on my kids. You got the same skill set. As Adesanya. Height, you know, I'm slender. That's the only thing y'all got. Y'all slim, don't you? Okay, so my fight style needs to be just like his.

I can't talk. McGregor's too short. Just run. I'm not running. I ain't running nowhere, man. Anyway, Chad, I love y'all. I can't, I can't talk, McGregor's too short, that's not really my, Just run. I'm not running, I ain't running nowhere, man. Anyway, Chad, I love y'all, I appreciate you, it's coming,

it's coming, just know. I'm going, I'm putting this out there, I'm looking for a co-host. Around August, August, you can take,

you can take Ocho's seat, like, probably around mid-August to September. So, I'm looking for a co-host. It's going to be Unc and somebody else. Unc and whoever.

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I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.

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