Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Pete Carroll returns, Coen ditches Bucs, Mark Andrews apology

Episode Date: January 29, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap NFL Championship weekend. Top stories include Pete Carroll returning to the NFL to coach the Las Vegas Raiders and the Jacksonville Jaguars hiring Liam Coen as their next HC. Later, Unc and Ocho discuss Baltimore Ravens tight end Mark Andrews issuing an apology for his dropped ball on the Divisional round.03:14 - Pete Carroll to the Raiders14:40 - Jaguars bring on new head coach, Liam Coen26:10 - Ravens’ Mark Andrews apologizes to his team(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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issued as one bonus bet based on amount of initial losing bet. Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance see dkng.com slash promos for deposit wagering and eligibility restrictions terms and responsible gaming resources there was another hire over the weekend p carroll was hired as head coach of the Raiders. Pete Carroll and the Raiders have reached an agreement on a three-year deal with a team option for a fourth. When the regular season starts, Carroll will become the oldest person to ever serve as head coach in the NFL.

He turns 74 in September. The previous record was held by Romeo Cornell, who was 73 when he served as interim head coach of the Houston Texans. Ocho, do you like this quote? It's Pete Carroll. I like Pete Carroll. Pete's resume speaks for itself, what he's done. He's a Super Bowl winning head coach. Again, when I look at what he has to work with over in Las Vegas, I'm not sure why he would want to.

Maybe he knows something we don't know. Maybe he knows something, you know, he has some cooking. He's one of 32. What you talking about Woody Wong? Able to do a job. I know, but still, I mean, just going to take a job, knowing that your lease is going to be short, knowing that you don't have the most important position on your team, on that team

that matters to be able to compete and contend in that. Do you know what conference division he's in? Yes. AFC West. Broncos, Chargers. All of them got quarterbacks. Everybody got quarterbacks for the next decade.

Exactly. So I'm not sure. He got to be thinking about something. He must be cooking up something with Mark Davis. I don't know. Let me ask you this. In chat, y'all can help me. You'll understand.

You're 70 years old. This 32-year-old thing, she's nice, got long hair. She got, ooh, skin. Ooh. Yeah. Built stack like dirty laundry in the door now. Hair down her back. And when she steps,

she'll step her. Y'all don't know what I'm talking about. She'll step her. Y'all gonna see her. She gonna have her YSL. She'll have her Tom Ford. She'll have on them blood bottoms. Everything is immaculate. And she's interested in you. You're taking that. Pete Carroll's about to be 74.

How many jobs do you think he's going to get in the NFL at the age of 74? I like where you're going with it. Listen, when you put it like that, when you give me that kind of analogy, I like where you're going with it. But everything you just said, you know, you talk about Tom Ford, you know.

Yeah. The nice shoes and she's a stepper. Well, everything you just described in that woman ain't the goddamn Las Vegas Raiders. It don't got her. The Las Vegas Raiders is the one where your homeboy say,

hey boy, I ain't sharp. I need someone to take him up for the team tonight. The one I got, she's a team now. Her friend, she said she had to bring her friend with her. Now her friend is on the six.

But you, you're going to take one from the back? Yes. The Las Vegas Raiders. Yes, you're right. It's like, like getting ready

to be the head coach for the Chiefs or something. But you have to understand though, Ocho, she's so interesting. She ain't got to have on nothing. She might come out the house with props. She might come out the house with that bonnet on. But she's 32.

Yeah, Curry. Yeah. Yeah. Let me get my visuals together now. How tall are we talking? How tall are we talking she's somewhere between she's somewhere between 5'7 and 5'9 I'm going to do you one better

I'm going to do you one better because we both tall let's just make it just make it 5'5 5'9 5'10 so when she puts some heels on, we call her Amazon. 32. Got a nice job. She makes six figures,

low six figures. When you see her out, she ain't got nothing on her. She carrying Louis all the time. She got her own. Got her own crib. Got her own car. Yeah, you got to be careful now.

Because everything you describe right now as a woman, she talk bad. That's okay. I listen. She talk, I listen. I don't know what you're talking about, Ocho. Hey, I'm about to be 50-7. Man, I ain't 50-u all that. I'll pass that stage, Ocho, where I got to where the pass.

And I got to be my way. Oh, no. Mm-mm. Mm- way. Oh, no. She talked back. You know what? You're right. I didn't want to go over there. Why didn't you tell me this yesterday?

I like it. Listen, I understand where you're at. You're in a different phase in your life. You have to understand. You don't have to fight everybody. It's not like he's Ben Johnson. See, yeah, Tom Brady wanted Ben Johnson. Ben Johnson ain't got no quarterback. Yeah,

ideally, would I like to be in the same division? No, but I got a quarterback over here. I got skill position over here. I got a lot of cap space and I can build. Guess what? I got a quarterback on a rookie contract, so I can put some pieces around him.

You got a little time. You got about two more years. Got two more years. So with that being said, Ocho, but Pete being about to be 74, think about it. In the history of the game, there's only one other coach.

Romeo was 73, and he was interim. Wasn't head. That wasn't somebody hired him and gave Wasn't head. He wasn't, you know, that wasn't somebody that hired him and gave him the job. He just took over. So for me, for Pete, it's a no-brainer. Now, Pete can build a team. We saw what he did with Seattle.

But Russ came to him in the third round. I think Russ was a third-round draft pick. And we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B-Wag. They had Sherm we saw what happened. They had a great defense. They built that thing. They had B-Wag. They had Sherm. They had Chancellor.

They had Earl. They had Malcolm Smith. They had Bennett. They had Cliff Averill. They had Red. They had a squad. Russ come in. Remember now, they assigned Matt Flynn and three agents from Green Bay.

He was expected. They gave him $10 million guaranteed out of $30 million contract, $10 million signing bonus, and he never touched the field. Russ beat him out in camp. Crazy how that work. Hey, and maybe he can strike light. See, the thing is, Ocho,

he understands he's been a head coach at a lot of different stops. He's head coach at the Jets. He's head coach at the Patriots. He's head coach at the Patriots. Head coach at Seattle. Head coach here. Head coach at USC. And you look at what he did.

USC was not winning before Pete got there. He put USC back on the map. Now, you're not old enough to remember when USC had that juggernaut late 60s and through the 70s. They were hell. They were loaded. Yes, yes, yes, yes. late 60s and through the 70s. They were hell. They were loaded. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

I mean, you got to think about it. They had Charles White and Marcus Allen. Ronnie Lott, Dennis Smith, Joey Browner, Ross, all those guys. So they were really – Len Cain, all those guys within that backfield, they were really, they were really good. Munoz.

Yeah. Yeah. I think Don Mosbar was on that team. They were, they were loaded. But Pete knows how to build a team.

But at the end of the day, if you look at the teams, when he's had his best, most success, he's got to go back. It matters. And without him, so,

Russ and Pete, hey, Russ, Pete, reunite in Oakland? I mean, in Vegas? Him and Russ? Russell Wilson? Ooh, that's a good one.

That's a good one. I like what you're thinking. That's a possibility. I'm not sure. I am not sure. Damn, that's a good one. A quarterback that you're familiar with, a quarterback that you won a Super Bowl with,

you know, but there were some issues internally. Yeah. Are you sure you want to go back to that? Nah, bro. Peak was like I see diminishing spares. Nah, bro. I ain't really trying to give you $200,000. Rusty, bro.

And, you know. Hey, spend the park. Yeah. You know hey spin the clock yeah you know sometimes if I ain't be so bad on you you ain't got a choice

but you can blow I don't that ain't what that ain't what I said I said but sometimes sometimes that's what you have to do

yeah hey you know that hey half your age plus seven minus three so that's why I come forward you know the age half your age plus minus three

so that's why I come forward that's you know that's my box I stay right here on your I ain't going outside of it you know side to side side to side right here but I ain't going outside that box okay maybe

hey you know who it is maybe okay maybe hey in general you really know who it is maybe you know what I'm talking about you know what I'm talking about Ojo you know what I'm saying

sometimes you know hey like a hey your boy ain't 27 ain't 37 it's different It's different. It's different.

Listen, you know what's good? You know what's good about us? It's really understanding and realizing we're not the same. Yes. We're not the same as we were. No. We understand what we're capable of doing at our age now. The things we did in our teens and 20s and 30s, man, we not pulling that shit off at this.

No, no, no. I ain't finna grab no 25-year-old like I could when I was 32, 33. I already know that. Right now, Ocho, I'm a when I can, not when I want to. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? I'm a when I can, not when I want to. Understand that, chat. Understand.

Stay with me now. Stay with me. There's a difference between the two. You know what you got? You got self-awareness. Self-awareness is so important, but it's lacking in so many of our men today.

It's lacking in so many of our kind of things. You can keep up and do some of the things you did when you were young. Oh, no. I'm who I am. Hey, six months, 57. Now, I don't look it. I still, I'm in shape.

You know, I eat my veggies and do my abs. But, hey, at the end of the day, they hit that Google. Damn. Damn. Oh, 57? Yeah, 57. 57. They hit that Google. Damn. Damn. Oh, 50-57? Yeah, oh, 50-57. Hey, Ocho, you know, sometimes you have to catch a scrambler coming out of the supermarket.

You know what I'm saying? I'm leading on the wall, Ocho. Listen. I'm leading on the wall. Wait on what? Hey, it's the ninth inning. It's the ninth inning. It's two strikes and three balls.

What you going to do now? Four and a quarter. Hey's two strikes and three balls. What you going to do now? Four and a quarter, two, hey, two minute, two minute drive. Hey, I want, hey, you sit in your car for a little while, why don't you go in and out? Okay. Hey, Ocho, she look as desperate as I am. You desperate, I desperate. Hey, let's make this happen.

Ocho, in a crazy turn of events, the Jacksonville Jaguars are finalizing a deal to hire Bucs offensive coordinator Liam Cohen as their next head coach. The move comes after Cohen agreed to an extension with the Buccaneers and removed himself from the consideration for the Jags job. Cohen met with Jaguars on Thursday to discuss the vacancy despite the news of his return to Tampa, which would have made him the highest paid coordinator in NFL history.

Jacksonville reportedly reached out to Cohen after the team fired Trent Baalke to see if he would reconsider the offer. And after their talks, it appears Jacksonville has their guy. I like it. I like it. And the fact that he chose to leave even though the Bucs were going to make him the highest paid offensive coordinator, you know, they're going to make it by D, they're going to make more than we were going to make

in the Jags. How do you figure? He's going to make at least $7 million with the Jags. The highest paid coordinator probably make him make $3 million. Remember, we just talked about Spagnolo making 3.5. That's what I'm just saying. But if they're telling him to leave the job, we want you to reconsider,

I'm sure allow him to reset the market on whatever it is. No, they're going to ask him to reconsider. No, the Jags ask him to reconsider so they're gonna give him a head coaching job which will probably be somewhere around seven million the tampa bay buccaneers only gonna give him three million three four million dollars okay okay yeah no i'm just saying okay i had it backwards but i knew he was leaving right right yes yes you know nobody yes yes Right, right. Yes, yes. Nobody throw it at him. Yes, yes, absolutely. And, look, and you're over everything. You know, you're responsible.

I mean, the head coach comes with a lot of responsibilities. You're not responsible for one side of the ball. You're responsible for the whole ball, offense, defense, special teams, when we're going to practice, what time we're going to meet, okay? What's the training? You know what I'm saying? As far as weight schedule. Okay, injured players, what time do they have to be there?

How long is the meeting going to last? What time are we going to leave Ochoa for road trips? Where are we going to stay? All that goes on the head coaches. So, congratulations. I mean, I hate it for Baker because Baker had really, under his guidance, Baker had looked like the Baker that they took, the reason why they took him with the number one overall pick, I think, in 2016.

The last two years, he showed you why. And a lot of that had to do, I believe, had to do with Liam Cohen. Not to say Baker doesn't have talent, because obviously you go first overall. You've got talent. But I think he had found someone that believed in him, that had an offense that was really catered to what he does really well. He had nice quality receivers outside with Mike Evans, even though Chris Godwin got hurt this year. The young guys had come along.

I love the running backs that they got, but I hate this. I hate this for Baker, but I'm excited for someone to get an opportunity to be a head coach because, hey, last two years, he's done a great job as an OC for Tampa, and he's getting rewarded for his hard work. Oh, yeah. That's dope. So what do you think Ocho you like the move

absolutely absolutely listen if he can do if he can do if he can do what he did for Baker imagine what he would do for Trevor Lawrence

Baker Mayfield had Mike Evans now young young Bull is a stud over there in Jacksonville now chat I don't know

if y'all paid attention to Brian Thomas Jr., but there's a reason he's in the Pro Bowl. There's a reason he's in the Pro Bowl. So that magic he had in Tampa with Baker and Mike Evans has always been Mike Evans, but I'm sure he can create that same magic

between Trevor Lawrence and get him turned around after getting that huge payday. And Brian Thomas Jr., that was your security blanket right Jr., that was your security blanket right there. That was your security blanket right there. Travis and that was your security blanket right there.

Take Bigsby. I think you probably need to do a little bit more with the offensive line. Sure, that up. I think they got a pretty good defense. Maybe look at a corner. Look, you got a high draft pick. You got a quarterback. You don't need a quarterback. I wouldn you got a high draft pick. You got a quarterback, you don't need a quarterback. I wouldn't spend

a high draft pick on a wide receiver. I wouldn't spend a high draft pick on a tight end. I don't know if there's anyone that's worthy to be selected. Is there an offensive lineman that's worthy of a pick that high? Probably not. Maybe a defensive lineman, maybe a DB.

But yeah, you got Trevor Lawrence, you got Brian Thomas Jr yeah you got trevor lawrence you got brian thomas jr you got uh evan ingram you got tank bigsby uh uh you got trevor atn i mean uh yeah atn so you got some nice quality pieces but you gotta have to protect you're gonna have to protect trev and he's gonna have to do a job of protecting himself they have the number one pick right no tennessee has the number one pick, right? No. Tennessee has the number one pick. Oh, shoot. Okay, that means Shador. The Shador is going first then.

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It's, uh, Shador would probably go first to Tennessee. The second would be... I think Cleveland's at two. Then Cam Ward would probably go two. And who in New England is three, right? No? Giants are three. New England's four.

Jacksonville's five. That might be a shocker right there, two at three. The question is, would Tennessee be moving to move down? Is there somebody that's in the draft that Tennessee says we must have and we don't believe he'll be available if we slide down to three, four, five, six, seven? That's the question, Ocho, because the question is, are Tennessee one player away, Ocho, or do you need multiple? Okay, if I can slide down

and get next year's first rounder, maybe pick up a second or third this year, and a second and third next year, and in 27 maybe get a fourth, I think that's the best option because I don't think any of these teams are one player away.

Now, obviously, everybody's not going to slide down, but if I can slide down, Mocho, and really, really, really build, I think I'd be willing to do that. I don't see anyone sliding down, especially with the players

that we have going that are slotted in the mountain drafts to go top five. I don't see any team coming out of those. No. Mon draft, Ocho. Shador Sanders, one. Tennessee.

Abdul Carter, the edge rusher out of Penn State, two. Cam Ward, quarterback out of Miami, three. Travis Hunter, the all-purpose, all-do-it-all wide receiver cornerback, New England. Mason Graham, D-line, Michigan. Will Johnson, quarterback, Michigan. Will Campbell, offensive lineman, OT, Jets. Now, this is just a mock.

Obviously, clearly, Tennessee needs a quarterback. Now, you know, listening to them talk today, it's like, hey, we're willing to bring Will Leavitts back, but kind of informed him that there's going to be competition. We know what that means. And maybe that would be a good thing for Will. Maybe that would be a good thing. Having someone to help,

to force you to compete at a high level, you know, to force you to minimize your mistakes. Because, you know, when you got somebody looking over your shoulder, they can do two things. They can either make you or they can break you. That's a lot of pressure when you know you can't make no mistakes.

When you're trying to play mistake-free football, then you start depressed. You start depressed. I mean, listen, that ain't a good thing. It depends on how he's built mentally. I agree. I think the thing is, Ocho, is that AP did a disservice to the Raiders by winning that game because they slid down from one all the way to six.

So there's a possibility that you could lose out on Cam Ward and Shador. Well, listen, listen, in the world room, you never know what's going to happen. You never know what goes on. They have those phones in there for a reason. So maybe something may happen, you know, before the draft or during the draft. And maybe somebody comes up and snatches the player that they want on their board to make sure he doesn't get away? Well, they really don't have a whole lot of tradable pieces.

The one piece they got is Crosby. Max Crosby. That's the one piece that everybody would be willing to give up a first round pick or multiple picks for. I don't see anybody else on that roster that they would be willing to give that up for. Brock Bowers, but they're not trading Brock Bowers.

Hell no. But Max Crosby is the only one that I see but they're not trading Brock Bowers. Hell no. But Max Crosby is the only one that I see that has the that has the capital attached to him that somebody would be willing to give up. He's the most valuable.

He and Brock Bowers are the most valuable pieces. Well, clearly they're not trading Brock Bowers. But I don't think the Raiders are one player away. But. They need damn quarterback. That's what they need. They absolutely need a quarterback.

Fix that situation, and then you build around. Oh, Joe, after taking several days, Mark Andrews publicly apologized for dropping the ball on what would have been a game-tying two-point conversion. It is impossible to adequately express how I feel. I'm absolutely gutted by what happened on Sunday. I'm devastated for my teammates, my coaches, and Ravens fans. I pour every ounce of my being into playing at the highest level possible because I love my team and I love the game of football like nothing else. That is why it's taken me until now to collect my thoughts and address this publicly.

Even though the shock and disappointment are unlike anything I've felt before, I refuse to let this situation define me. I promise that this adversity will only make me stronger and fuel us as we move forward. I thank everyone that has shown me and our team genuine support these past several days. Despite the negativity, I've seen heartfelt love and encouragement, including from those who have generously donated to the Breakthrough T1D organization. Even when the moments seem darkest, perspective can reveal that there is still a lot of light in this world i'm now going to do my part to bounce back and contribute to it hashtag god bless ocho was this necessary uh no no not at all not at all there's nothing you can do there's no point

of you know, writing, writing an apology. There are ups and downs, there are obstacles, there are hurdles in a game. You don't owe anybody on the outside of that locker room an apology. You talk to your players, you talk to your teammates, you talk to your coaches, you know, and you let them know how you feel. There's no need to be apologizing publicly to everyone that hasn't put in the work you've done. They're not there in training camp with you. They're not there at meetings with you. No, they're not bleeding with you. They're not going to war out there with you.

Now, they do support you because they are fans of the team. Any apologies should be had within that team to individual players and nobody else if that's what you see Fitton doing. But that's the birth of brotherhood. Yes. You know, they're not going to be talking trash about you. Oh, man, you just, no. It happens, Ocho.

I mean, I remember Ernest Biner and EB. I know EB. I mean, knew EB aest Biner and EB. I know EB. I mean, knew EB a long time. He was in Baltimore when I was there. He stayed in contact with him. He fumbled the ball. He was running into the end zone, Ocho. He had a touchdown.

They would have put the Browns in front of the Broncos and got pulled it out. It happens. Yeah. It happens. Look at Billy Buckner. The ball went right through his legs.

Magic Johnson had a situation. They used to call, they called him tragic. He had a chance to win the game. Right. He drew the timeout. They lost in overtime. He was a two-time finals MVP. Right.

So fans are going to turn. Look, fans, I don't care what you've done. Yeah, or they'll turn on you quick, man. They'll turn on you quick. Their loyalty is not with you. Their loyalty is there with you simply because you're a part of it. You're on their team they root for. Yeah, that's it.

That is it. I just think the thing is, he'd have come out much better. Just, hey, I'm devastated, guys. We had an opportunity to tie this game up. I like our chances from that point on. But, Ocho, you can't run. You can't run. You don't have to say anything.

It ain't about running. No, Ocho, you got to speak after the media. Let me ask you a question. Had he called it and they won, do you think Mark Andrews would have spoken? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Why? You said he don't have to speak. Oh, I mean, no, I'm saying write that written letter.

That's not necessary. You got got Ocho this is why I'm a firm believer you have to be able to handle adversity the same way you handle respect yeah

prosperity success yeah I didn't realize he didn't speak to the media he didn't speak he didn't speak after the game and he didn't speak in the exit interview

yeah see I mean but the whole the letter thing that's like yeah I didn't write no letter. Nah, ain't no point for all of that, man. I mean, I might write that thing

to my boo thing. He had a great season. Mark Antony. Yes! Mark Antony dropped four passes this season, huh? He dropped four passes all year long.

It just so happened they came at the wrong time. Two of them. Yes. The fumble came at the wrong time. Yes. You know? It happens, though, Ocho. two of them yes came at the wrong time yes you know it happens though Ocho I think after that first drop

you know everything else was in his head after that but here's the thing even on the first drop they went down and got a touchdown so we can't hold that against them they scored on that

look it's at the end of the game this is what everybody remembers the fumble Buffalo went down and got points out of that. The two-point conversion, they weren't able to get the onside. Now, there was a minute and 33 seconds with two timeouts. Now you're going to have to ask your defense.

We'll never know. Maybe the defense gets a turnover, and they win the game. Maybe, A, they go down and Buffalo kick a field goal and they win the game. 30-27. We'll never know. But you have to be able to handle adversity the same way you handle success. Because it's not what happens to you that determines what.

What do you do once that happens to you? And I believe Mark Andrews is made of the right stuff you don't have the success that he's had in this league uh he's been an all pro he's been a pro bowl player he's been lamar jackson's most reliable weapon since he's been in baltimore we can't we there's no denying that. And Zay Flowers had an unbelievable season. But since Lamar has been there and Mark Andrews has been there, Mark Andrews has been his most reliable weapon. And I can imagine. Also, I've been there. I dropped the pass that would have given the Broncos home field

throughout the playoffs. I just say, if I'm ever in that situation again ain't happening well five years six years later I'm in that situation third and eight in the situation in Baltimore third and eighteen right

Mark I promise you you come back and make a play next year to win a game win a playoff game, just keep your head up, bro. You're strong. You're a great player. You're going to be up there with all the other greats, with the Ray Lewis's and the Suggs and Ed Reed

and the Peter Boulware's and the Mike McQuarrie's, the Jonathan Ogden's. You're going to be up there. You're going to be all right. You're going to be up there. Yep, you to be all right. You're going to be up there. Yep, you're going to be okay. So pick your head up. I know it's hurting.

I know it hurts, bro. I know it hurts because of the finality of it. Man, what could have been? You're so close. But, bro, you'll be okay. I promise you, you're going to be okay. And it's tough. You know, all your teammates say,

Ocho, they try to tell you the right thing, man. You know, man, hey, man, it ain't your fault. We win together, we lose together. But Seager was like, nah, bro, nah, that difference was on you. That's what I hate. But see, that was different with us. Because I remember we lost to the Jazz, Ocho, in 98.

We was 13, we was 13 and 3. Played on a Saturday. And we take the lead. We weren't playing well. TD was really sick. But TD gave us an outstanding effort. I think TD might have

had 150 yards. TD was sensational. Man, they go 87 yards in three plays. Man, we get on the bus. You know, everybody head down. Quiet.

I walk by the dude that gave that touchdown like you costas just undefeated season damn damn huh oh yeah oh yeah oh oh yeah we would like that hotel yeah for sure yeah lee yeah oh tim mckay i said oh yeah you like yeah, you like to call you like to fill out like you did in Pittsburgh. Mm-mm. No. Oh, no.

But Ocho, we had that type of relationship with the guys. Oh, we had no problem. You drop a pass or you gave up something. Oh yeah, you had no Oh yeah, you gonna hear about it. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. But you, hey,

me and Burns, that was, oh, we gonna keep you humble. Oh, oh, especially, Ocho, you know what I'm saying? You gave up plays in the game,

but come practice, you did. Right, you all were. Do that in the game. Oh, all was. Oh, you got me, you got me locked up. You up there talking, you doing this all in my face. Oh, you got me. You got me locked up. You up there talking.

You doing this all in my face. Why did you do that on Sunday? Oh, yeah, Ocho. Yeah. Hey, we can't let you get too high. We got to keep you right here. We got to keep you right here. Because if we keep you right here, Ocho.

Yeah. We know we can have you. You start feeling good about yourself and all of a sudden you start bull jiving. No, we got to keep you level. And so, I wouldn't have written no letter. Me personally, Ocho, that's him. That's how he handled it. I would have been

mad enough to stand up there in front of the, yeah, I let my team down today, guys. I did. If somebody would have told me I was going to have an opportunity to atone for the fumble. Right.

By catching a two point conversion and giving our team an opportunity to potentially take this thing to overtime. No chance. That's all I could ask for. All you want is an opportunity to be in that situation. Because a lot of times, Ocho, you don't even get an opportunity to be in that situation to catch a game changing play or a game winning play.

Moments like that come around every so often. Every so often. It don't happen all the time. Now, it's fortunate enough, because of the team he's playing for, they're going to always be in contention, and he's going to always be making plays for Lamar Jackson.

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