Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Russel Westbrook describes the Westbrook experience & we discuss most Toxic fan bases in CFB!

Episode Date: May 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to Russell Westbrook talking about the Russell Westbrook experience, Jrue Holiday is set to return in Game 1 vs the New York Knicks, & we discuss the most toxic fan bases in College Football, & much more!01:47 - Russ describes the Russell Westbrook Experience09:37 - Nuggets feeling vindicated14:00 - Jrue Holliday set to return after injury19:41 - Number of Players Declaring for the NBA Draft by Yr37:47 - Ravens rookie kicker40:42 - Most Toxic Fan Bases in College Football48:25 - Lego F-1 car49:55 - Q & Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a force of nature on the floor. It may be a turnover. It may be a missed shot. It may be a steal. It may be a dunk. It may be a missed three. It may be a steal. It may be a dunk. It may be a missed three. It may be a made three. It's going to be all of that.

I call it the Russell Westbrook rollercoaster. He's just laid it out for you. I say, hey, he might shoot an air ball. He might turn it over. You're like, no, Russ, don't shoot that. Come on, Russ. When you least expect it, he'll go four or five from the three.

Yeah, yeah. He'll get two steals. He'll make some big plays. Go back and look at the series. Yeah. Hey, he played unbelievable. Short-term memory. He has it.

He's short-term. He got M.D. Yeah, he got M.D. You know, just like in football from week to week, you got to put it behind you. short-term. He got MDs. Yeah, he got MDs. He's got MDs. And, you know, just like in football from week to week, you got to put it behind you. Short-term, we got another game. Well, in basketball, you play every other night or considering in a basketball game and possessions,

if he come down, miss a wide-open layup, he going to hustle back, try to get the block or steal. Like, it's a lot. It's a lot. It is. And you have to accept that, Winnie. the block or steal. It's a lot. It's a lot. It is. And you have to accept that, Winnie. You do.

You have to accept. You have to take the good with the bad. But just know one thing. He giving you everything he got. Come on, hey, Russ, pick it up a little bit. Russ has never had a coach to tell him to pick it up. Right. He might have to say, son, calm down.

Hey, come on down. Settle down. You OK. You might have to tell him to settle down or calm down. But you never have to tell, son, calm down. Hey, come on down. Settle down. You okay? You might have to tell him to settle down or calm down, but you never have to tell him to pick it up because he's going to give you that effort, and you can appreciate that. And sometimes in trying to give you everything he got, he's a little out of control.

He'll fumble the ball out of it. I mean, the other night he had two point blank layups. Missed them both in game six. But he come right back down. He going to get you extra possessions because he going to battle somebody for the rebound. I saw him last night on the line. He going to get the rebound. He ain't got no business whatsoever.

When you ever seen a six-point guard in the box trying to get a real big free throw? Hey, and that's why you got to love him. He go, is Russ the X Factor? McNuggets against the Thunder. Is he the X Factor? Maybe. If he played well, obviously, they always got a great chance of winning. But I think this Thunder team is their time.

It's their moment. They've been sitting around waiting. And I know we can go off rust or, you know, whatever the case may be. But I think this is a young team who's prepared and understands the moment. And they're going to come out ready. Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see. Obviously, you need Yoke and Murray to do what they do. I think probably Gordon has been really consistent

over the last three to four games. He's been really consistent in that last series against the Clippers. He needs to play really well, a big-body guy that can defend. Now, but his offense is playing well. He's knocking down the three. He crashes the glass. If I had to say the next fact, I think they need Michael Porter Jr. Yeah.

Yeah. Because sometimes, you know, he drifts. Right. But when he's in – go ahead, Joe. But, yeah, I agree. If he can get them some consistent productivity in this series to where they're able to compete, they're always going to have a great chance.

I think we all know what Yogi's going to do. He's going to make them dudes around him better. And if he has to score 40 or 50, we know he'll do that as well. But I like how the series went throughout the regular season, how they played, and how OKC competes against them. I just don't think they got nobody who can deal with Shea on the perimeter,

if I'm just being honest. You know what I mean? I think he's going to be able to pretty much have his weight now. Yeah, you probably could have put Gordon on him sometime, but even him, I just don't think they're going to have nobody who can stop him. No, I think Brown will start because he seems to be their best defender. But that's what happens when you let KCP go and you let –

what's the other guy's name? They end up letting him go who's a great defender. Bruce Brown. Bruce Brown, yeah. They let him go. And so now it's really left up to Christian Brown

because he's really the only defender we're like they're going but I don't think they're going to put Gordon on the point they normally put

Gordon on the big guy if it's LeBron or if it's a KD guys like Jason Tatum I don't know I'm saying if he get it going

I'm saying if he get it going to one of them games you can't stop him you're going to you're trying to put that light out you got to put some size on him you know what I'm saying if he get it going, though, I'm saying if he get it going in one of them games, you can't stop him. You're going to have to. You try to put that light out, huh? Yeah, you got to put some size on him. You know what I mean?

Because them guys. Yeah, yeah. He ain't no little dude. Six, six, six. No, no, no. He's six, seven. Yeah, he going to get to his spots and raise up. And them little dudes ain't going to be able to do nothing with that.

Right. I just got to make it tough. I just got to keep. I got to keep. Hey, Joe, I got to keep him from the rim. And I got to keep him off the free throw line. If he making threes and pull-ups, I got to make it tough. I just got to keep him. Hey, Joe, I got to keep him from the rim, and I got to keep him off the free throw line. If he making threes and pull-ups, I got to, hey, I can't take every damn thing away from you.

You got to live with that. But he's the one dude who has mid-range game down to the tee. And if nothing, if he can't get his three off and get to the basket, he going to always be able to get to his middie. So this is what I'm talking about. That's the step that I was talking about that I want Jalen Green to make and just being able to get to that midrange because he's so athletic, bro. He can get up.

Once he go into his shot, you can't block that. Right. Yeah. You got to put that time in the lab, though. Ocho, who do you like in this series, Ocho? Yeah. I'm going with the young boys. I'm going with the young bulls. I'm going with the young bulls.

Even though, like, when you asked the question about the X Factor, I think the X Factor would be Russ. Obviously, with Russ coming off the bench, we know what Joker going to do. If they have a chance to win this series, if the Nuggets do have a chance, I think Russ would have to be the difference maker. He'd have to be the difference maker.

Obviously, Porter has to do what he needs to do. Murray is going to beat Murray. And you know what Joker do. I really think Russell Westbrook has to be that X factor in order for him to even have a chance to win this series.

But I'm going with OKC. What's so tough is that they got guys coming off the bench that sit in the chair. They're mainly there. Yeah. They sit in the chair, but they can knock down threes.

You look at Caruso. You look at Isaiah Joe. You look at... Wiggins. Wiggins. They got guys, man. They really... Wallace, yes.

And, you know, you still got Lou Dort. You got Jalen Williams. So they got six guys that are 3 and D guys. There ain't very many teams that have that many guys that are 3 and D guys. And they got two guys. It sounds like you're going with OKC, too. It's hard to go against your game.

It is, man. It's hard. Because you can see it. It's hard to go against Joe Gator it is man it's hard it's hard in some sense you can kind of see him going in there showing out you can kind of see him because he's MVP it's the two lead candidates for the MVP let me show y'all why I should win it

45-19 and 13 hey listen we wouldn't be surprised if we see no stat numbers why I should win it. 45, 19, and 13. Yeah, hey, listen. We wouldn't be surprised if we see no stat numbers, but yeah, I totally understand that they're definitely capable of winning the series.

I just seen some holes in their defense. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely have some lapses. Absolutely. The Nuggets are feeling vindicated after a late-season fight of the GM and coach. If we don't make the change, there's no way we're even in a Game 7, a Nugget executive told Ramona Shelbourne.

Jokic, I think the owner wanted to change something, to change the energy, and probably he did. No, he did. Ain't no problem. He did. He got the results he was looking for. I mean, you did. No, he did. Ain't no problem. He did. He got the results he was looking for. I mean, you would have got those results regardless

to who was the coach. That's not what they're saying. If an exec say that, and the best player on the team, I'm going to take your word for it, don't you? Okay, you're right. You're right. I'm just thinking about me as a player. Me as a player, regardless of who my coach is, I still have a job to do.

Once I go in between those hashes and that green grass, I'm going to make sure. Well, maybe the coach ain't putting you in the best situation. That's why you ain't getting the job done. Yeah. Oof. They definitely played with a sense of urgency, I would say. In this first round, you know, knowing that they probably doing it, playing for the interim coach.

Yeah, Adelman. Yeah, they want him to look good. So, you know, it's different, man. When you got a pretty good coach and guys want to play for him and they want to do good for him, they want him to look good, you can tell the guys out there, they balling. Jokic just led his team in points, rebounds, and assists in a playoff series for the ninth time in his career. That's the second most all-time, trailing only LeBron James.

24 series, LeBron James has led his team in points, rebounds, and assists 24 times. Jokic has now done it nine times. But what about, I thought they told me all that help LeBron had. LeBron shouldn't be doing this though, Joe.

Something ain't adding up now. Make it make sense. Two plus two, why is it five and six? It's supposed to be four. Look. I mean, Yoke is amazing, man. I mean, I'm going to have to find me another player

because LeBron is going to be gone in a couple of years. So I need to find me another player I can get behind and root for. We just talked about him. I don't know what you're waiting on. We just talked. Oh, you want to add, man? Yeah, what you mean? We just talked about him. Yeah, we just talked about him.

Headband from the crib, too. Headband from Georgia. He's got something out here in the waters, man. I don't know what it is. Yeah, man. Man, you want me to put Luka down? I had already said like five years ago, I say when LeBron leave, I'm going to have to get with Luka.

Nah. Man. Luka's cool. Luka's cool. Great player, but it ain't it, man. Don't let Ocho deter you, bro. If you want to stay a Lakers fan, die hard so you can root for him. No, no, no.

Ain't no Lakers fan. I'm a LeBron fan. Oh, yeah. I follow LeBron. Okay, so you're saying you root for Luka, then basically you're going to be a Lakers fan, though. Yeah, I might have to go outside of the Lakers. I ain't no... I'm a LeBron fan. I follow LeBron from

Cleveland to Miami, back to Cleveland to L.A. now. If he go somewhere else... You know what? If he go home, hell, I'm going home too. You going with GoJane? I'm going with GoJane, Devin. I ain't rooting for nobody. Hold on. What you mean

if he go home? What you mean if he go back to Cleveland? No. If he retire. Oh, if he retire. I'm retiring my phantom too. Oh, man. No, you can't do it. He going to be around for at least another year or two. He ain't going nowhere. I believe he got at least two more years.

Yeah. Yeah. Playing off the ball like that? Yeah, they got to give him a little more help, though, man. Got to give him some size. They got to give him a big. Yeah, they putting too much pressure on my boy. You got to give him a big.

I mean, we got a big. I mean, look at Miles Turner. They had 13. Look at everybody big. I mean, we got a big. I mean, look at Miles Turner. They had 13. Look at everybody big. Jared Allen had points today. I big. And he played in game five. Damn.

And then in the other game, he had two points. What am I supposed to do with that? Can we get a big to give us 10-4? 10. Give us 10-16 on a nightly basis. That's all. Y'all had a bad. That's it.

Bad first-round matchup, man.'s it. Bad first-round matchup, man. On true. Bad first-round matchup. True Holiday is set to return from injury. Game one versus the Knicks. Holiday will make his return to the floor after missing the final three games of Boston's first-round series with a hamstring strain.

Hmm. How important is it for them because he's probably going to match up with Brunson. He'd probably take Brunson. But you got a bunch of guys you can throw at Brunson. You can throw Derek White at Brunson. You can throw Holiday at Brunson. You can put Jalen Brown on Brunson.

You put Holiday coming off an injury out there in front of Brunson, you're going to pull something. You're going to pull something. Or put Derek White on him. Yeah, you can put Derek White on him. He's going to sauce Derek White up too. You can put J pull something. Or put Derrick White on it. Yeah, you can put Derrick White on it. He's going to sauce Derrick White up too. You can put Jalen Brown out there on it too. He's going to sauce Jalen Brown up there too.

You got to understand, everybody, you're naming players that are really good. You're naming players that are defensive players. But everyone Jalen Brunson goes against, he's going to get to his spot. He's going to drive. He's going to use his body. He's going to do what he always do,

regardless of who he is out there. I'm trying to make him as inefficient as possible. That's all I'm trying to do. He's going to get to his spot. He going to drive. He going to use his body. He going to do what he always do, regardless of who he is out there. I'm trying to make him as inefficient as possible. That's all I'm trying to do. Okay, okay, okay. He going to get to his spot. Hey, he get 33. I'm trying to make him take 30 shots to get it. Okay.

That's all I can do. You're just trying to weigh him down. You're just trying to get different looks, different bodies. Hopefully, look, they just come out of grueling series as well. He was banged up a little bit in that series, so he carried on to the next series.

You know that? Hey, we got to make it tough on him. I'm trying to hound him. Like Joe said, he just came out of seven-game series. He's averaging 40, 42 minutes a night. Yeah. So, hey, pick him up. D. White, you got it.

Hey, Jalen, you got it. Holiday, you take it. Oh, yeah, we just going to, hey, Payne Pritchard, hey, be D. White. You got it. Hey, Jalen, you got it. Holiday, you take it. Oh, yeah, we just going to, hey. Peyton Pritchard, hey, be pissed. Yeah. Just buzz around like a nab. Annoy the hell out of him. Hey, I'm sure the Celtics are happy to have him back because, like you said,

Jalen Brunson is the one guy that really can create his own shot. Yeah. It's going to be interesting to see the matchup. They'll probably put OG on Tatum. This is why they got him. I'm thinking probably take Josh Hart, probably have him on Jalen Brown. Who Bridges going to go on? Who are you putting Bridges on?

Oh, Bridges. You know what? I think Bridges might take Jalen Brown. Yeah. And then Josh Hart take Derrick White. Yeah. And OG on Tatum.

Yep. Yeah. This is why they went and got OG. Hey, but here's the thing. Who y'all, and I guess Razingus and Cat.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or Al Horford and Cat. Yeah. What you got? What you got, Hong? You got Knicks and Six? or Al Horford and Cat yeah what you got what you got you got Knicks Knicks and Six

I got the Celtics oh my bad okay I got the Celtics Joe I got the Celtics I don't know how that I got the Celtics

on Ocho you know a very experienced team you know obviously and they've been playing well they know what these battles are like and they've had the Knicks number you know over the years

you know I don't even think this is going to be a long series. I actually think it's going to be a short one, actually. Sweeping? I ain't saying sweep. What the hell about you? You ain't like my five prediction. Well, hell, go where you don't like that pick.

Go with six. I'm saying you got to, you wore the five out on the five. I got to come up with something. I got to bring it back. Hey, we got to find something that's catchy. I mean, for the Celtics.

Hey, Joe, you remember they brought the seat in? They brought the bell-bottom pants back. Remember the bell-bottom jean? They back in style. Bell-bottom dress pants, back in style.

Everybody, everything come full circle. Full circle. Yeah, everything come full circle. But, yeah, I say, I got, I do got the Celtics in five. I say the Knicks will win the game.

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In 2022, it was 283. In 2023, it was 242. In 2022, it was 283. In 2023, it was 242. In 2024, it was 201. This year, it's only 106. The NIL money, Ocho, got the boy like, you know what? If you're going to stay here and get a quick $255,000, you're going to give me that money, and I'm going to stay right here in college. Yeah.

Listen, also the opportunity with the great understanding, your chances of making it to the NBA and actually playing in the NBA and making that squad is only a team of what? 15, right? How many players it is? 15 a team. Yeah. So you got about 400 players. Yeah.

Man. 450. Listen, I'm going to bet on myself in college and get as much as I can. And that's 450. That's every year. That ain't just this year. Yeah. Ain't like the ass.

It ain't no way. It's going to be 460 next year. So, look, look. If you got 50, 60 guys coming in every year, you got 50, 60 leaving every year. So, that's every year. And that's why I tell cats, as hard as it is to make it to the league, bro, it's even harder to stick. You know what I mean?

It's harder to stick because once you get there, you can't exhale. You know what I'm saying? You got to keep going. You got to keep pushing. You got to work even harder. So, you know, I tell Cass all the time, bro. It's hard. Joe, and that's what I tell football players.

I say, bro, it's easier to get in the league and stay than get out of the league and try to get back in. Yeah. Because if you think it's hard getting in, get in and get out and try to get back in. Unless you're a quarterback, and you got to be decent. Yeah. And what they're saying at the stadium, you know, you go to the game, you leave the arena,

you can't get back in. Nah. Hey, what you in? See, I got a ticket. Even if you got a ticket, nah, bro, you can't get back in. Nah. Hey, what? What you in? See, I got a ticket. Even if you got a ticket. Nah, nah, bro. You done left. Right.

We can't let you back in the game. And that's how they feel about sports. It's like, bro, I was just here a year ago. I was only gone a year. Y'all making it seem like I was gone a decade. Right. Well, a lot of other people done came in, bro. NFL, they had 70 early

declarations in 2025 down from 82 in 2023 nil changed the game college athletes aren't finding value and risking turning pro when they can earn six seven figures right here and that's what i say why am i gonna go to the nfl whole joke yeah if there's a possibility man i'm gonna give me six million stay right here, quarterback. But also, you have to understand the people that are choosing to go back. They're questioning themselves. You're questioning yourselves with great understanding. Well, hell, if I know what I'm going to get going to the NFL and entering the draft, it's because I know I'm that boy.

Because you know what you're going to get. I told Quinn, what did I tell you, Ocho? If I'm Quinn Ewers, I take my butt, I go jump into that portal, and I go somewhere else, and I make me three, four million dollars a year. And do one more, huh? Yes.

Yeah. As opposed to be a fifth or sixth or seventh round draft pick. Right. Because I believe he could have built his value. He could have been, you know, who knows, a first or second day pick. Yep. And picked up a three-fold meal.

Mm-hmm. I would have, because if Carson Beck jumped in the portal and got $4 million from the University of Miami. Yeah. Which called, I'm a leaver, because, you know, look at his last name, high spell, I'm a leaver. That's what he did to Tennessee. He left.

Now, I don't know why he left a state like tennessee with no state income tax to go to california right to take three four hundred thousand dollars less where there's 50 state tax yeah that about make it make sense make it make sense so joe i don't know listen i i don't i don't know who was advising him. I'm not sure where he thought he could make more. But again, I always tell you, if you deserve what you were asking for, they would have gave it to you where you was at because that's where they thought of you.

All right. Ooh! All right, Ocho. Got another one for you. What happened? Shador Sanders was reportedly pissed at the Giants during his private pre-job visit per Albert Breer. The Giants won. They give players an install,

and there are mistakes intentionally put in the install. He didn't catch them and got called out. He was pissed they did that to him. Now, before we get into this, Ocho, I told you, you and I had a conversation. I said, Ocho, unless teams tell us what their draft grade is on Shador, then and only then can we. The Cleveland Browns said we didn't have a first or second day grade on him.

I mean, a first day grade on him. Right. They said that. So unless the other 31 teams come out and tell you, Ocho, man, I don't know what. Okay? I had this grade on him. Some teams say they had him as a third day option. Right. Albert and Ocho, we were talking.

I said, normally, Joe, what they do with the quarterback, they bring in the quarterback, they'll send plays and look, okay, here's the plays we want you to break them that went to the diagram. Blah, blah, blah. Or they'll get you in, says, okay, here's the flanker drive red right red right two jet flanker drive okay z motion so the z is the flanker okay he got the drive route tied in got the basic cross we're gonna run we can run the dig we the dig. We can run a dig.

Or we could just have the X run a post to clear it out to make sure ain't nobody backside. And then you got the rim right, got the bat. Check it. So we tell you that. Okay, we tell you, okay, what's happened, Vince? If you get this front, this here is where you go with the ball. You get this covered, you go with the ball.

So now, Ocho, you know the play is long now they got this red right yogi sample x-bed diverse to this to that right so they tell the quarterback this now they show it to him on the board then it goes dark they say okay good you want to play on the board and they want you to regurgitate what you told them because as a quarterback you have to have great recall yes because if they call that downplay joe in your helmet you got to regurgitate it plus you got to know if i get this coverage i go here if i get that coverage i go here if i get hot i go here right but a lot of times they're like you you know, we want you to, like, be a quarterback. Now, knowing what you've heard, Cleveland Brown said we didn't have a day one grade on him. We had more like a fourth or fifth, you know, fourth, fifth round grade on him.

Okay, fine. The Giants sent him plays to install, intentionally put mistakes in. He didn't catch the mistakes. They told him. He got upset that they didn't tell him. Ocho, what's your thoughts? I mean, listen, I understand teams have to do their just due when it comes to these meetings, these interviews, going over plays and having installs

and having quarterbacks go up and explain plays. There are a lot of people, Unc, that play the game of football, that can go into these meetings and these interviews and ace, and ace them. They can point out every mistake. They can do everything right. And you turn on the film,

they sorry in the motherfucker. They sorry as hell. Can't play a lick of ball. But they're great in the film room. They're great in drawing up plays. But when it's time to play where it actually matters, on game day on Sunday at 1 o'clock, they're horrible. We know what you did with Shador when he plays the game of football on Sunday. We watched him do it at Jackson State.

We watched him do it in high school. We watched him do it at a very bad institution and turning that program around in Colorado. Yep. So what you're telling me about him not knowing and him missing mistakes on something you purposely tried to trip him up on. Okay, he didn't see it. He didn't see it. But I know what I get on the field. Why even play this game?

What game are we playing? What are you proving by purposely putting mistakes in there? He's a rookie. He's coming in. He's young. Of course he's going to miss it. Of course he's going to miss stuff like that. Who wouldn't at the position? Yeah, that's not his plays.

You know, if you gave him his plays at Colorado and then tried to slip that in. Because my position coach in Denver would do that sometimes. And I was like, you know, I was like, no, this is not a 70. This is a 50 protection. 50 protection, you know, I'm in blocking. So 70 protection, I'm free to go. So you call a play knowing, you know, and we had live colors, you know, blue Detroit, that's a live color.

You know, we get a stretch. We get what we call a bare front, a bare stretch or a Navajo. We call it Navajo. Some people call it, Joe, I'll be teaching a little football. When you have the center and both guards covered, that's called a bare front. Okay. Yeah. Now, if you want to stretch it, we put somebody over the tight end

and we put the defensive end outside. That's called a bare stretch. 85 Bears made that defense famous. That's a Buddy Ryan defense. So, Bear, both guards center covered. That's a Bear defense. Now you stretch it. You put someone over the tight end.

You put the D in outside. So, that's a four-down lineman. And he found out the way you beat that defense because what teams were trying to do, they were trying to take the tight end and block Richard Dent. Oh, Richard. Uh-uh. Bad idea. Hold on. And so if you did that, if you went out to block him, the guy over

you would come hit your quarterback in the back of his head. So they said, huh, how about we do this? We fake like we're going to block this guy. When he see that, he going to come. We just raise up and throw you the ball. Or what we do like we go watch block this guy when he see that he gonna come we just raise up and throw you the ball right or what we do we'll slide it or we'll molly the protection we'll take the we'll take the tackle we'll kick to him or we'll take the guard to molly out to him they started

blocking it up people got out of the bear defense uh because you're one-on-one. Joe, so you said, why play these games? Why put the mistakes in there? Just have the man regurgitate the play. Draw it up. Okay, here it is, Isidore. This is one of our best plays right here. It's this, da-da-da-da-da. Okay, you see this coverage?

Where are you going with the ball? If the coverage was such, if the coverage, this is cover one, single high safety. Now, if we had quarters coverage or if we wanted to cover six, what we call cover six, Joe. Yeah. We play quarters on one side. We play cover six, half the field on the back side.

Six kick, that means we press on the two side, old Joe. Yeah. That's where the kick come in. When we play in quarters, one side, half the field, the other side. That's why we call it six. Yeah. Two, four we play in quarters. One side, half the field, the other side. That's why we call it six. Two, four, six. Okay, now

Go should do a call to play. You're going to the line of scrimmage. Now, I done told you. I done gave you three names. This is where we go with cover one. This is where we go with quarters. This is where we go with cover six. Go to the cover you call it. It's cover one. It's cover one it's cover one lose 17 no no no it's six it's six it's six boom you see how chaotic he get yeah quarterback gotta remain calm though yeah

because they joshing around oh joe you know they starting one thing they dealing dabbling around they rock and rolling in the safeties. They're too deep. Now here he come. No, they shoot back the other way. You remember how the Steelers held Troy Palomaro to be at the line of scrimmage. And the next thing you know, hell, he in the hole.

Or he in too deep. Right where he's supposed to be at, yep. So that, and I get it, but look, hey. I mean, look, when you turn the film on, Uncle Ocho, when you watch Shador, like, for me, it's like the film shows the poise and patience that he has in the pocket. Although, you know, everybody say, you know,

his line wasn't great. I thought he showed tremendous poise and patience. Yes. And I feel like his talent will show in in-game situations. You got some guys, man, who are just performers, bro. They just know how to perform. I've seen guys who wasn't great practice players,

but, man, you put them in the game, they know how to perform. And I feel like that's what his talent will show. I think he'll get his opportunity. I think he'll get in there and he'll get a chance to show what he can do. And his talents will be on display. But I think he's getting a knock for not having the athletic prowess that his daddy has. And it's just not who he is as an athlete. Yeah.

He has the opportunity. I think it's a blessing in disguise. The Browns have struggled on trying to find a quarterback since Bernie Kosar and finding someone consistent, someone that can be a quarterback for that franchise for a decade straight. And I think God put him in this position and sending him to Cleveland on purpose to give him that drive and that hunger. Not that he didn't have it already, but to perfectly give him that drive and hunger

to show everyone that passed on him and obviously show to Cleveland Browns that you made the right decision in bringing me here. So I'm happy for him despite what happened, having to go in the fifth round. I don't know. I think it probably lit a a fire up on him. He's going to be all right.

He's going to be all right because he's definitely going to be there. He's going to be there everybody out. He's going to be there everybody out. He might not be Flacco out,

but if Flacco struggles at some point this season, they're going to make that change. Now, Flacco's going to not look. Flacco's going to have 350. Three touchdowns, but three picks too now. Yeah.

Now, Flacco, he's going to equal opportunity employer. He going to help you or he going to help them? Joe, they're in a similar situation to like, so what's the NBA pre-draft? What is it like? NBA pre-draft? Yes.

You know, guys go there and you do the agility tests. I don't think guys sit out. You know, from what I can remember, especially when I had to go through it, man, we had to do everything. Right. Now what they've implemented is, you know, you see a lot of guys, they had to play five on five now, scrimmages.

Back when I was coming out, guys had to do that. Okay, Ocho, you know what I mean? Wow. You go to a team, you have these individual workouts where, okay, so I worked out for the top 10 teams in the NBA draft in 2001. So I worked out for 10 teams. And in those workouts, yeah, they were working me like a dog.

So in those workouts, in those workouts, they invite two, maybe three more of the guys so y'all can play two on two, so y'all can play one-on-one. So we can see who is what. And you cooking a joke? Man, listen, I would get to the chicken.

Because coming out of the chicken, I wasn't a top prospect to some degree. Guys were telling me I was going to go top 10, but I didn't know. So I had to work out for the top 10 teams. And guys who were coming out in my time who were before me, well, you know that was a high school draft of Kwame Brown the Tyson yeah but you still had the Jason Richardson's the Shane Battier's you know guys like that so uh I was looking to work out against those type of dudes you know to try to improve my drafts my my draft stock and And I ended up getting drafted 10, but I don't know. After 10, I hadn't worked out for the end of the mother team, so I wouldn't know what it would have been like.

Right. Jose, I'm cooking something. I don't know about y'all, but I'm cooking today. Man, look, you get once in a lifetime, bro. Like, it's like it's so close. It's right there in your hands, and you're like, it's going to be left up to you, especially in those workouts, you know, to meet these scouts, these coaches, these executives, GMs, things of that sort. So, man, I think those are the moments that we all live for.

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I know he struggled last year, struggled a little bit before that. But just because you have a strong leg doesn't mean you're consistent. It doesn't mean you're going to be consistent in clutch situations when Justin Tucker has always been. Having a strong leg is cool. I mean, that's nice, being able to kick from 75 yards. That's also nice. But can you do it when the game is on the line?

Can you do it when it's windy? So there's so many other factors that come into him having a strong leg, but also being a great clutch kicker in situations where it matters most. Because it's easy to do it right now. It ain't no pressure on you. Ain't no pressure. Ain't no line. Ain't no crowd.

Ain't no fans. No, there's nothing else affecting you in kicking 75 yards. But can you do it when it matters, when it matters most? Right. Man, hell, all these kickers got legs now. I mean, Joe, guys, they wouldn't even let you attempt no 60 yarder. Right. Now these guys like, okay, to get by five more yards is 60 yards.

These guys, from now, a 50-yard field goal is like a P.A.T. That's a layup. That's a layup. That's a layup. These guys got, I mean, when I was in, the only handful of guys was what could be consistently accurate from 50-plus. I mean, they was trying to get that thing 45. Yeah. I mean, they was trying to get that thing 45. Yeah.

But now, and they get, oh, Joe, you missed a 55-yard. They like, what happened? What was wrong with you? What happened with this 55-yard? And plus, remember, the goalposts are a little bit more narrow now. A little bit more narrow. You know, I kicked 65 yards too now. Yeah. Oh, Lord, here we go.

No, I promise you not. Hey, listen. Now, you know, who was the backup picker for the Bengals for a decade straight? They didn't have to use you. And thank God they did. Okay, they did use me. They used me when we played the Patriots now. So, you know I can kick.

In the preseason. I know. Boy, if he got hurt in the regular season, I was still the backup kicker. Oh, you kicked one in the preseason, old Joe? Yeah, what? Yeah. Hey, listen. Hey, Joe, it would have been good for 50.

Oh, boy. Hey, matter of fact, chat. Chat, can somebody please send this to Uncle? Ask the chat. There's video of me and footage of me kicking 65, kicking 70. Like, look at the chat. Go and Google it. Ask him. You're not kicking the ball. You weren't kicking no field goals, no 65. there's video of me footage of me kicking 65 kicking 70 like look chat go and google it

ask you're not kicking the ball you weren't kicking no field goals no 65 or 70 no I'm talking about field goals somebody in the chat

man please show me kicking from 65 google it youtube it it's on there hey with ease too like it would have been good from 73

it ain't good enough that he was kicking 50, 60, 70 yards now he kicking it with ease. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I got a soccer background, Joe, so I do a little bit of everything now. Okay, I see, I see.

And league college football recently ranked the most toxic fan bases in college football. Number one, Ohio State. Number two, Florida. Number three, Georgia. Number four, CU. number one Ohio State number two Florida number three Georgia number four CU wow number five Miami number six Tennessee number seven Texas number eight Alabama number nine FSU number 10 Michigan Michigan five of the top ten where they play football at Elcho

in my name SEC SEC hey I still haven't had a chance to really go to these games to really understand

you gotta go listen go to University of Georgia go to Tennessee I went to Tennessee with my daughter she was on a visit go to Alabama you gotta go you gotta go to one of I went to Tennessee with my daughter. She was on a visit. Go to Alabama.

You got to go. You got to go to one of those. You got to go. I've been to a Tennessee game and an LSU game. That's it. In Arkansas, you got to go watch the Razorback.

Go Alabama, UGA. Now, Texas A&M, does he 105? 105 what? Thousand. In the stadium? They be rocking. In the stadium? Yeah, they be rocking.

Ocho, you know the South. Look, you grew up in Florida. And that's what I tell people. When you play in the South, football is hit. Yeah, it's different. They close down. You swear playing a small town, they close early. You gotta go to

the game. That's why in Texas they got high, you got to go to the game. Hold on. That's why in Texas, they got high school stadiums that hold 20,000. A high school stadium. Yeah. That look better

than some college with their weight facilities. Football is king, man, look here. And that's what, who was we talking to? Well, we went to,

we was on tour and we had somebody, Cam, and he was talking about I said, bro, ain't nothing but the Georgia Bulldogs in the state of Georgia. Atlanta Vikings went to Super Bowl X. They ain't plays in UGA.

Them dogs. Yes, sir. And then they go to Braves. Yeah, yeah. You're talking about somebody living I've been there yeah

what Ojo man and when they used to and when they used to play I don't know they might still do they still do

they play at Jacksonville Stadium boy at 16 coming down 16 to get down on 95 to go down to Jacksonville yeah man yeah they love some football in the south coming down 16 to get down on 95 to go down to Jacksonville? Yeah. Man. Yeah.

They love some football in the South. I'm not surprised. I got to see that. I'm surprised to see you. When to see you get such a rabid fan base? You based this on two years? Prime effect, baby. Yeah.

In Miami, I know Miami. Y'all just show up because Miami, they don't come to nothing on time. No, baby. Yeah. And Miami, I know Miami. Y'all just show up because Miami, they don't come to nothing on time. No, we don't. We're going to get there in the second quarter. Exactly. Exactly. We're going to get there in the second quarter. Ohio State, yes.

Florida, Georgia, yes. Tennessee, Texas, Alabama, Michigan. Florida State, I don't know what y'all been rapping about. Y'all ain't been good in a minute. I mean, listen, obviously the best college when it comes to college football in Florida. Now, UM had a phenomenal year last year,

but FAMU is the best college football team here in the state of Florida. You like FAMU? FAMU is, listen, FAMU is everything. We got to find HBCU. We got to rank the age of 10, top 10 HBCU fan bases. Well, number one is FAMU is everything. We got to find HBCU. We got to rank the top 10 HBCU fan bases.

Well, number one is FAMU. Top the bottom. I don't know, Ocho. I think it might be Grambling the Southern. Come on, wait. With our human jukebox? Man, our human jukebox? Listen, with all due respect,

with all due respect to the human jukebox, they were nothing. They will never be comparable to the incomparable Martian 100. Don't do that. Oh, they don't pass. They don'tbox, they were nothing. They will never be comparable to the incomparable Martian 100. Don't do that. Oh, they done passed y'all. They done passed y'all, bro.

Yeah, they done passed y'all. The jukebox is where it's at. Why you tripping? The jukebox. Man, listen, man. Listen, man. Dr. White and Brother Shelby Chipman have done a wonders.

They have done a wonder with the Martian 100. They done wonders. But that jukebox. Nah, listen. No, man. Oh, Joe, that one. They ain't even bring.

Oh, Joe. They ain't bring number two records. That wasn't even the full jukebox that we had. I know. I know. Listen, I've been watching Southern for a very long time. And Chad, listen to me. If there's anybody.

Oh, young. You probably won't do this, but it's for me. You know how much I love the band. Anybody in the chat that went to HBCU and might have played in the band let me tell you how much i love southern still to this day i always watch it's on youtube it's called the fifth quarter obviously unc you know it the fifth quarter after after two hbc teams played they have the fifth quarter at the end of the game but they go back and forth battle of the Boy, the Human Jukebox versus Alcorn State in 2014. Chat,

if y'all have any time to go on YouTube and watch Southern versus Alcorn State in 2014, boy, you will enjoy it. It was a masterpiece from both schools

back and forth. But when it comes to HBCU Martian bands, there is nothing, nothing like that school, the highest of the seven hills down in Tallahassee, Florida, that looked like a reptile. Known as the Rattlers.

Nothing like them. Nothing. And I stand on that. They're going to put on a show. Man, every time. Only one school is Mars for the president now. Only one school is going to play for the president now. We done been everywhere, all over the world.

We different. Huh? We strike different. What you mean, we? You went to Oregon State. Wait, time out, time out, time out. You know I wasn't able to go to FAMU. I ain't had no grades coming out of high school.

But listen, I'm an honorary member. I'm an honorary member. And I'm an ambassador for FAMU. Teddy. Hey, where the dog at? Joe, where the dog at? He's tired of sleep.

Huh? Tired of sleep. I'm talking about Joe. I want to see Joe dog. He's roaming the property right now, Ocho. Oh, you got property, boy. You's roaming the property right now, Ocho. Oh, you got property? Boy, you got money.

Property? Hey, he ain't saying he's in the yard. Nigga said he on the property. Ocho, you got to chill. Ocho, you got to chill. You got to chill, Ocho. You got to chill. But the hoes say he on the property. He doing his job right now. He doing his job. Boy, you got money.

I'm going to bring him on camera for you. Yeah, bring him on. He the his job. Boy, you got money. I'm going to bring him on camera for you. Yeah, bring him on. He the same color as dog. He brown with that black mask. Yeah, he bite? Yeah, he bite. Yeah, yeah. He got teeth, don't he? They got teeth that don't bite.

I mean, I rough your dog up. Who? Me. All right, you going to put the suit on? Alright you gonna put the suit on? You gonna put the suit on later? I don't need no suit I don't need no suit Just let Just

You got commands for him right? Yeah Yeah just command Command him to attack And watch what I do to him Nah I ain't gotta command him nothing All you gotta do is be in the backyard

I ain't gotta say nothing I ain't got to command him nothing. All you got to do is be in the backyard. I ain't got to say nothing. I ain't going to say a word. But I know you don't see that thing on YouTube where that Amazon driver, that UPS Amazon driver, he hopped over that fence backwards. You see that with Chelsea? With the package in his hand. I see it look like he was delivering an Uber Eats,

and that big dog came through the screen, though. Yeah. If he went for the little towel thing to catch him a little bit, he would have had butter, yeah. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, that was funny. Formula Run rolls out the full-size Lego cars

for the Miami Grand Prix Drivers Parade. Made of 400,000 Lego bricks, it took 22,000 hours to build. The Lego F1 cars reached a top speed of 20 kilometers an hour. Did you go to F1, don't you?

Yeah, I was out there all day. I was out there politicking, shaking hands, smiling, giving hugs, kissing babies. I enjoyed it. I went to qualifiers. I didn't go to the actual race today, but I did enough of what I needed to do during the qualifying race. It was good. I prefer, I love NASCAR. I love the people that come to NASCAR.

I love those that come out to enjoy and do what they do. That's a totally different fan base than what that is. Yes, I prefer NASCAR on me. I can relate to the folks at NASCAR. Yeah. When you go, you know how you go to the Kentucky Derby? Yeah.

It's the who's who. That's F1. Yeah. That's F1. You know, I'm not... I like it because, you know, it's where you go to get deals done.

That's what I like to say. Right. I prefer NASCAR, you know, it's where you go to get deals done. That's what I like to say. Right. I prefer NASCAR. But, Andy, obviously, every time I have an opportunity to go to F1, it's beautiful. It's a good place, you know, to bridge gaps, to build some relationships, and meet people that you're going to need long-term on the back end. But ain't nothing like NASCAR, though. Ain't nothing like NASCAR.

All right, guys. Final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. Black Leg 71. Oh, didn't players vote Halliburton the most overrated player? Yeah, they did. They did. Man won a gold medal and been on the Olympic team

and going to an All-Star game. So I don't know how he overrated. Casey Taylor says, Iso, what is your O moment? I'm in the NBA. Also a huge Kobe fan. Would you share a Kobe story with us? Also, I was super mad, crazy, sad.

We played hella bad. Maybe Lakers in five next year. Man, I had a chance to play with Kobe in a hurricane relief game in Houston. This was 2005. And

when the hurricane, what was the hurricane in Houston, Unc? It was in 2005. I can't remember the name of the hurricane, but anyway, a bunch of guys went down there and we played a real game. And man, I just remember

it's being for the fans and us on the van and I was riding on the same van as Kobe and I remember one dude on there was like, yeah, man, let's come out and have some fun for the fans. Put on a show, enjoy the game. He's like, oh, no, we're coming out to compete. Yeah, we're going to win.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just in the charity game, man. I'm like, the, you know, the focus that he had, you know, from playing against him in all-star games, like, and just playing against him when he was playing for the Lakers. I was playing for Phoenix or Atlanta or Brooklyn. Man, his focus was there at all times, bro. It was never a play

time with him. It was like, man, let's do it. If we're going to do it, let's do it. Hurricane Rita. Joe, that was Hurricane Rita. We went to Houston, man, and had a dope game down there. It was a lot of fun. Pressure said, oh, you got to stop.

KD and Book got beat by Andy in the woods. If KD is not with Steph, he not winning no chip. Injury prone and gone. Iso? Well, that's something we'll never know. Because he went to Golden State and won two championships. He didn't coattail. The man led.

He led. You know, he was the finals MVP two years in a row. Now, he's been on some great teams where they couldn't get it done, whether it was lack of leadership or whatever the case may be. But, I mean, Durant's a hell of a talent, man. He's a hell of a— Yeah. I think we look at, you know, we look at his attributes and some of the other greats like LeBron,

who naturally makes guys around him better and has done that pretty much throughout his whole career. And, you know, Durant has took, you know, took some flack for that. But for the most part, I love him because he's a dude who just loves to go out there and hoop, bro.

That's it. And at the same time, you know what you're going to get from him. You a dude who just loves to go out there and hoop, bro. That's it. And at the same time, you know what you're going to get from him. You know what he's going to bring to the table. Yeah. Yep. And that's the thing. The thing, look, he ain't trying to get no pep talks. He ain't trying to be in no pregame meeting doing all that.

I'm going to come out here and y'all know what I'm going to give you. I'm going to give y'all 27, 6, and 6. That's what I'm going to give you. Now, y' give you all 27, 6, and 6. That's what I'm going to give you. Now, y'all catch me just right. I'm going to be a crazy efficient. I'll give you 32. Right. Yeah.

But that's all he wants to do. The guy that loved the game of basketball, all the other stuff. Hey, talking to y'all at pregame meeting, we got to come out here, rah, rah, rah. Hey, he's made that abundantly clear. I ain't got no problem with it. Hey, everybody ain't meant to lead. Right, right. And the way he lead

might be the conventional way that a Jordan or a Kobe or a LeBron or a Jokic or a Steph. It might be a different form of leadership. Yeah. You know, some people lead by example. Here we go.

I was just about to say that. He just made lead by example. And for the most part, that's what he's been doing. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy, how you doing, doc? Hey, fam, what kind of pressure

did y'all feel in the playoffs? Was it nerves, hype, or straight tunnel vision? And what did you do physically and mentally prepare? Well, you know the pressure is what you feel

when you haven't done what you think you can do. For me, Ocho like a series we talked about it yesterday game seven NBA game seven hockey game seven baseball game seven and football every game we play in the playoff is a game seven there is no tomorrow every game is a game seven Tom Brady played 35 probably game sevens let that sink in if you're an nba player if you play if you play five in your career you like damn think about playing 35 if you're not prepared you'll feel pressure yes if you prepared you don't feel pressure right it's a singular focus

i'm gonna do what i've done to get here i'm not gonna do anything a little you know hey i might go back and like okay i saw something i saw something in two games let me see something here might go back and look at something see how the guy played somebody that was really similar to me ocho how they did it in the slot okay but. But at the end of the day, it's football. John throw it. Somebody throw it. I catch it. I get a first down on a touchdown. Okay. Block.

Stay between my guy, the guy trying to make the tackle, and the ball carrier. It's really that simple. But I don't, you know, I don't think anybody's like, oh man, this is the divisional round of the playoff. This is the AFC championship game. I don't think people think of, oh, man, this is the divisional round of the playoffs. This is the AFC Championship game. I don't think people think of it in those terms, Joe.

But you know because the energy is different. It is. It feels that, babe, that stadium is different. Hey, I had the pleasure of playing. I played a few game sevens, but one memorable one I can tell y'all about is when I was playing in Brooklyn and it was myself, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce,

Darren Williams, Brooke Lopez, and we played against, we was a seven seed playing against Toronto who was the number two seed. And we played a game seven on their home floor

and we ended up winning that game. But I tell you, like we had packed, we packed for the next series going to that game. But I'll tell you, we had packed. We packed for the next series going to that game seven. That next series was against the Miami Heat. That's all

I was thinking about doing the game. I was like, man, we got to win that game because we got to go to Miami. We're going to Miami. We were in this game. We're going to have to play the Heat, but we get to go to Miami for at least four or five days. We can't go back to New York on a lost game seven. So that's – oh, that was the one that was that game four or game five

when LeBron dropped 49 on y'all? Yeah, that next series. That's it. Game four, he dropped 49 on us. But it was a great series, man. We had fun. And that's why when you get to you get to those stages in in the season in the playoffs you got to be healthy man and and that's what kind of bogged us down with injuries

we had we had plenty of talent but we had guys that were just banged up and just too injured man y'all they were old joe yeah man but i ain't necessarily talking about paul and kg i'm saying man we had andre kero, AK-47. I don't know if y'all know much about him, man. That man, 6'9", 6'10", could do everything. If we would have had him, he was on our team. Like, if he could have gave us any little productivity, man, we would have had a better chance.

You know, it's just little stuff like that. Like, he never got a chance to play in the series. Quinlan Knnauss custom. Wolves have size, but Warriors have speed. If Rudy plays like he did against the Lakers game five, then the Warriors in five or seven. If Rudy Gobert played like he played against the Lakers in

game five, they are sweeping the Warriors. Yeah. You talk about the Warriors in either five or seven. If Rudy Gobert give you 27 and 24, they are sweeping the Warriors. Yeah, I don't know if he going to have that.

No. But he may win you a game or two just from his presence and just the relentlessness of their team alone. They can hit you in so many ways.

We talk a lot about Ant-Man, but he got a lot of great complimentary pieces that can explode for sure. We've seen the Jaden McDaniels go for 30 in a game. We know what Randall can do. We know what Devin Chinzo can do coming off that bench. We know what Nas Reed can do. They got the total package, man.

They do. Quayle and Nas have another one. He's the Ant package, man. They do. Gwendolyn Nas has another one. He said Ant-Man, Sandman, Candyman. He said Warriors and Fire. Y'all see Ant-Man after the Lakers game. He said, man, you see Ant-Man, Superman, Batman,

Ant-Man. True Influence 73. Minnesota, Pine, pineapple soda, cream soda. Warriors in five. Everybody's saying the Warriors in five. I don't know. Josh, R908, bacon grease, leg grease, itchy

fleece, stem cooking with grease. Warriors in five. That's three Warriors. Gold standard. If the gold Michael Jordan was on the Lakers, would have won that series. All right, man. So why didn't he... Okay, if he's the gold,

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yes yeah the game is different completely different no post phrases Kevin said could you see the Lakers trading for Claxton

or Aiton if not who would be the best fit for them? I like Claxton. Luka needs a lot of presence. If you go back and look when they went to the finals, he had Gafford. He had Lively. Yeah.

That's what he needs. That's what he needs. That's what he needs he needs that's what he needs that's what he wants so he can you know he gets that step through and the guys come to help he just lob it up

and they slam it down uh Aiden might cost a little bit too much you think so Mark Williams would have been the perfect guy

yeah Mark Williams would have been the perfect guy guy gives 16 and 10 boy they sure could have used that they need to be say less

love the show who you guys think the biggest what if story in sports history what ifs for me uh sports Lynn Byers ooh that's a good one Lynn Byers that's a good one

Lin Bias that's a good one I'm going with Lin too I'm going to remember Lin Bias yeah yeah bad boy could do it all

yeah could do it all I know yeah Lin Bias and Could do it all, Locho. Yeah. Could do it all. I know. Yeah. Len Bias and... Who else? What else?

Brandon Roy. What if Brandon Roy had stayed healthy? Or what if Jason Williams don't have that motorcycle incident? Yep. That boy was a big... Hey, that's my class right there. Dude's cold, man. J. Will's cold, bro.

J. Will who went to Duke? Yeah. He was nice. He was that boy. So if he don't have that motorcycle accident, I think he would've been special. He would have been.

Yeah. Yeah. Hank Gathers. Hank. Hey, Loyola Marymount. Boy, they getting it up and down.

I mean, they score, they score 110, 115, 120 in college. That's unheard of. Yeah. What?

He and Bo Kimble? No chill, Will. You're starting a street team. What three athletes are you picking? A street ball team. What three athletes are you picking? Street ball. Who you picking, though, Joe?

I want Jason Williams Jason I want Jason Williams I want Jason Williams Running the point Now we talking about Streetball Just based on his You talking about White chocolate?

Yeah Yeah based on his style of play His creativity Let me get Let me get Let me go Katie I need a big I need a big Let me go Shaq

It's three balls Yeah It's only three people You still gotta have somebody Down there in the pink You can't have everybody on the on the perimeter shooting man man don't nobody play no big in street ball i'm just i'm just going to that down i got shoot up when i play 2k i got i got a big man and i got a big man in the paint say holding it down. Yeah.

I missed the And One tour, man. Man. Hey, it was different back then. Hey. Man, you saw Skip. Skip DeMalu. It was before they time, bro. Yeah, the air up there.

They used to put on Escalade. Yeah. Yeah. That stuff was dope back then David Cruz ain't no show real in the nightcap David thank you bro

thank you for your support yes sir Jamal the singer what's up Uncle Iso and Ocho if you could go only get your one concert

you get to go to one concert yeah who you attending MJ Big oh MJ Biggie, Marvin, Prince, Pac, and Luther.

So you get MJ and Biggie, I guess. Yeah, MJ, Biggie, Marvin, and Prince, Pac, and Luther. God Almighty, dawg. Hold on. Big Luther or little Luther? Luther. Yep. All of them can say.

So you got MJ and Biggie. You got Marvin and Prince. You got Pac and Luther. For me, it's either MJ, Biggie, Marvin, and Prince. That's for me. I'm going to be entertained. MJ, Biggie for me. MJ, Biggie. I think I'm going to be entertained. MJ Biggie for me. MJ Biggie.

I think I'm going to have to go with Prince. Man, Prince going to get on that guitar. Hey, he going to cut. Prince going to be on that piano. Piano. Man, listen. Sometimes it snows in April. The beautiful ones, darling Nikki.

International lover. Oh, man. Oh, come on. Raspberry beret. Oh, man. Oh, come on. Raspberry beret. Hey, um... Uh, uh, what's that song? Erotic City When Doves Cry.

He gonna put on a performance now. He gonna do his thing. Starfish and coffee. Come on, man. Hey, you gotta stick... Under the cherry moon. And you got to stick with the combinations you gave. Do I lie?

You heard me? Let's go crazy. Oh, man. Hey, you got to stick with the combinations you gave. I'm going Marvin and Prince. Oh, I'm going Marvin and Luther. I'm going Marvin and Luther. They ain't with Marvin and Luther. Didn't I just tell you? I just gave you

the combination. I don't like his combinations. When you can't make up the combination, he said MJ, Biggie, Marvin, Prince, Pac, Luther. I'm going Marvin and Prince. Hey, who he had with Luther again? Tupac? Tupac. Man, how they going to be in a goddamn...

How you going to put MJ and Biggie together? Man, listen. So, hey, Biggie going to open up for MJ. Everybody on the list going to open up for MJ. What the hell you talking about? I heard MJ put on a real show now. Oh, yeah. Yeah. MJ was a real show now. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

MJ was a real deal, boy. Man, Prince, hey. Under the Cherry Moon. Man, listen, you ain't said the best song. What's the best? Erotic City. Purple Rain. Purple Rain.

Yeah. Controversy. Wendy and Lisa, Computer Blue. Mm-hmm. You better stop playing with me, ho-cho. Matter of Controversy. Wendy and Lisa Computer Blue. Mm-hmm. They're going to stop playing with me, ho-cho. Matter of fact, hold on. And you talk about Southern, you talk about the human jukebox? Man, if you ain't never heard Southern, the human jukebox play Purple Rain?

Dollar Nicky. I had to take my glasses off Joe what I was talking about earlier about HBCU bands yeah that fifth quarter and Southern the Alcorn State

was going at it back and forth and Southern played Purple Rain Joe you gotta hit one of them like this when you gotta leave church

you gotta excuse yourself yeah well that's how good that's how good that shit sound boy oh my god i was in miami at the super bowl when prince performed and he's playing purple rain in the rain it starts to rain it starts to rain oh my god i was there i'm i'm literally look at that right there i'm like boy that is a god ain't no way this supposed supposed to happen, Ocho. You're not supposed to start playing this song.

The damn guitar damn near big as he is. He's one of the smallest men I've ever seen in my life. And he had on probably seven-inch heels. But boy. He put on a performance. Did he, Joe? One of my biggest regrets. His last time time he performed he was coming to atlanta and your prince didn't believe in all that ticket master stuff he had like okay you could only buy like two tickets but when you had to show up with the credit card that

you were using yeah so the ticket was like two hundred dollars i was like you know what somebody scaffold man the ticket was two hundred dollars they I was like, you know what? Somebody scalp them, man. The ticket was $200. They ended up selling people selling for $2,000, $3,000. I said, nah,

I'm gonna catch him another time. And a week later, he passed. Never got a chance to see it. They say that joke put on a show. Yeah, man. Listen, the closest thing we got to Prince,

the closest thing we have to MJ right now, as far as stage presence and actually giving you a show. Yeah, man. Listen, the closest thing we got to Prince, the closest thing we have to MJ right now as far as stage presence and actually giving you a money's worth worth of performance, obviously Beyonce, Chris Brown,

and Bruno Mars. Oh, Bruno... Joe, have you ever seen Bruno Mars? I ain't seen him live. I ain't seen him live. Hey, oh my God, man. Listen, man.

Yeah? I don't care if the ticket is $1,000. You're going to get $1,000 God, man. Listen, man. Yeah? I don't care if the ticket is $1,000. You're going to get $1,000 worth of entertainment. Perform. What do you got? You got the residency out there in Vegas? I think in that damn gym.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he's still there. But I had— He might not be. Where is Ash? But look it up. Oh, I saw him twice. I saw him, like, he was at the,

he performed at the Super Bowl in New York. Yeah. And I had an appearance and I got to see, go into the rehearsal, do rehearsals. But I also went to a Pepsi Corp event

in, in, in, well, Houston. And he performed. Yeah. Bro.

Hey, well, Bruno the real deal, boy. Let me know, matter of fact, let me add Usher to that as well. let me know let me add Usher to that as well

oh yeah let me add Usher to that as well yeah that guy but oh yeah I'm definitely gonna see Bruno again

he unbelievable cause like I said he can sing he can dance he can play instruments and that's what that's what set Prince apart

cause Prince can play all them instruments play multiple instruments yeah and think about how many people he done wrote for part. Because Prince can play all them instruments. Play multiple instruments. Yeah! And think about how many people he done wrote for. Legend. Yeah, man.

Time, he wrote for Apollonia. What's the other what's what's the other girls he had? Wrote for Wendy, Lisa, uh, what's the other girls he had? Rufa, Wendy, Lisa,

Andre, Simone. Uh, uh, Sinead O'Connor, he wrote nothing, no one compares to you. He wrote that for her.

Cause we had, you remember when they was having verses and they had this thing, MJ or Prince. Yeah. MJ or Prince. Ooh. MJ or Prince. Woo. And another verse is touching it. Ain't nothing touching it.

Not even close. Nothing. Not even close. Nothing could touch that. And I don't care who, I mean, you take 20 songs now. You take 20. Yeah. It would have been a vibe, man.

You go neck and neck. It would have been a vibe. It would have been a vibe, man. You go neck and neck. It would have been a vibe. It would have been a vibe. For real. I mean, look, there were some good ones. Man, I really, you know who I really loved?

Earth, Wind & Fire and the Isley Brothers. Oh. Boy, that thing was nice. Yeah. Boy, that thing was nice. Because, hey, any time Earth, Wind & Fire

is somewhere and I'm close, I'm going. I've seen it about five times oh yeah oh they put it down Hall and Oates I'm going

NDRR I'm going oh yeah I'm that type I like to sit down Chastain Joe you're going with the regular Chastain

oh yeah oh yeah you bring the food that's my neck of the woods over here yeah Seal I'll tell you,

you go see him, Ocho. He's a good one. Oh, he turned it out. Remy Shan. Oh, I say I'm not old. You know, they sit down and they say, I ain't, you know,

headbanging like the music. I can't do all that. Just slow it down. Just slow it down and sing for your boy. That's what I want. They ain't giving you know, beat the hell up. Head banging like the music. Nah, I can't do all that. Just slow it down. Just slow it down and sing for your boy. That's what I want. They ain't giving you none of that nowadays, dog. It's over with. Nah.

Michelle and Diego Chela I done seen her about seven, eight times. Yeah. I got to see her, but that's my girl. Y'all know that's my girl now. I'm waiting for Sade. I really want to see Sade too. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button.

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Shannon Sharp, my partner, co-host. Well, I don't know who called that man Ocho Stinko. He's a pro bowler. He's an all pro. He's a Liberty City legend. Bingo, ring of fame, honoree. Chad Ocho

Stinko Johnson, a.k.a. Hepet. And all the way from Arkansas. You from Little Rock?co Johnson, a.k.a. Hippie, and all the way from Arkansas. You from Little Rock? Little Rock, Arkansas, born and raised, baby. Little Rock. Yeah. Ooh! I remember that documentary y'all had about Little Rock.

But it was crazy out there, boy. Yeah, yeah, y'all be on with it, Joe. I'm good. What was that? That was 30 years ago. 30 years ago. No, that wasn't 30 years ago. The only time I've been to Bentonville. I went down to Walmart.

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