Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Ryan Coogler joins the show, Grandmother walks through basketball game, and Reverend asking for too much money!

Episode Date: March 28, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson welcome Ryan Coogler to the show to discuss his new movie coming out called Sinners! We also react to a grandmother walking through a basketball game, a Reverent asking for 40k & much more!07:05 - Stefon Diggs to Patriots12:49 - Ryan Coogler47:10 - 464-pound Desmond Watson entering the NFL Draft52:00 - Older woman walks through basketball game54:30 - Marvin Sapp asks for $40,000 from the congregation1:08:00 - Q&Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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confident receiver that's produced throughout his career in multiple ways, play, and style. He's got a play strength to him, and he sees that he can play physical, you know, route, craft, good run out the catch, and that's good in the red zone. And there's a play style to him that's always appreciated. And that's what we want to continue to enhance

and make sure that he's doing things to help us. Are you surprised that he got that length of deal, that kind of deal coming off an ACL? No, absolutely not. No, because, no, I wasn't surprised because they were in need of a playmaker of this magnitude. Even with Stephon Diggs coming off ACL, I understand. Raybo understands. Robert Kraft understands. And I tweeted it out. I'm not sure if people in the chat can pull up a tweet that I said right before he even got signed.

When he went on the visit, I said something to the likes of one leg, two legs, no legs at all. Make sure he leaves that building with a deal. Not only I'm talking about the competitor that he is and the ability for him to be able to get open and manipulate defenses, even if he doesn't play on the outside, even if he plays on the inside. That's a target that Drake May needs that he can be relying on

during football season. There's enough time from now with him rehabbing, because I've already seen some drills with Stephon out there working already, and I'm seeing how far he's come so far. Yeah, I saw him squatting, but I was surprised.

I thought somebody would make a proven deal. One year. Oh, okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Don't show one year, $15 million with a chance to make 20 25 million right but who knows we haven't seen the intricacies of this deal it might be a one-year deal disguised as a three-year deal because we saw t higgins deal and basically it's a one-year deal. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I like it, though.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Veteran receiver, good to me. To me, some people probably won't like it. I think a good locker room presence, especially for the receivers, for Drake May, being able to converse and learn from Diggs on some of the things when it comes to the route running and processing information and understanding what he sees and what he may see and how things, you know. Yeah, back to the ATV, Rodney Rogers got paralyzed.

You remember Rodney Rogers, the Wake Forest, great talented player, Denver Nuggets. He got paralyzed. I think he was at Phoenix at the time, but he ended up getting paralyzed on one. He was a hell of a player, Ocho. Rodney Rogers left-handed with the Wake Forest. He might have been player of the year in the ACC. Look that up, Ash. He was a hit, Ocho.

I'm talking about the junk. I mean, he was built like a football player. Y'all remember Rodney Rodgers? He looked like Larry Johnson, basically. Oh, he was thinking, he was, oh no, Ocho. I'm talking about grandma. I'm talking about grandma. I'm talking about grandma. He was that big?

Yes, he was ACC player of the year, Ocho. Went to ACC, went to Carolina, and they were loaded back then. He was. Yeah, he was, there was another one guy uh williams the boxer he ended up being paul williams yeah hey paul told paul told about paul throw about 2 000 punches around man paul was enjoying the watch he was shoot he was a big ass well to to wait. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Big, big, big, big. Hey, yeah. I like small.

I just wish guys like, yeah, yeah. Just guys, just be careful. That's all I'm saying, don't you? Because I don't want to see guys mess up their careers. Look, have fun. My mindset was just different. Once I got that money, I said, you know what? I'm going to make this money as long as I can.

Now, once my career is over, because your career is going to be over in the mid-30s anyway. I can hop on a motorcycle, a dirt bike, but I ain't going to mess no money up. Right. None. I ain't going to give none. Like you say, you ain't giving none of it back. I ain't giving none of it back. Because, you know, look, basketball players, baseball players,

no matter what happens, that money guaranteed. We ain't got no guaranteed those back. Because, you know, look, basketball players, baseball players, they don't know no matter what happens, that's money guaranteed. We ain't got no guaranteed money, Ocho. Yeah. Hey, Juan Soto, $760 million. $750. Guaranteed. Yeah. Shohei, guaranteed.

Mookie. Yeah, but everybody don't want to live like that, man. Everybody's not going to have that mindset. People want to be free. People want to enjoy themselves without thinking of the negatives of what could happen or what if this happens. They just want to enjoy themselves, especially at this age. Especially in this era we are in now. It's just different.

There's so many things to do, so many things you can enjoy. But listen, I totally agree with you. I understand. But I'd rather them be safe and free or doing things, you know, confined in areas that they shouldn't be doing. Hey, well, if you feel that way,

like I say say bless their heart that ain't that ain't that ain't me i i don't we good all right oh joe we got a very special guest um the director black panther the director of creed. He's a recipient of four NAACP Image Awards. He's been nominated for two Academy Awards, a Golden Globe and a Grammy. He's the director, as I mentioned, Black Panther and Creed. He has a new movie that's coming out in April called Sinners. Here he is, Ryan Coogler. Ryan, how you doing, bro? I'm happy to be with y'all, bro.

I'm happy that you're with us. Man, I'm feeling good, bro happy to be with y'all, bro. I'm happy that you're with us. Man, I'm feeling good, bro. I'm a big fan of y'all coming up. I used to play football not as well as y'all, but big fans of y'all there. And then watching y'all transition, man, it's been beautiful, bro. It always warms my heart when I see athletes prolong see athletes prolong that career you know what I'm saying well let me ask you this Ryan

okay you wanted you like you played football did you have professional or collegiate aspirations absolutely bro yeah absolutely bro I used to play with Marshawn okay bro okay beast bro yeah yeah yeah we from the same neighborhood so

you know I played against him in Pop Warner Yeah, yeah, yeah. We from the same neighborhood. Okay. You know, I played against him in Pop Warner High School in college. Yeah. I played at Sacramento State. Right. So, also, bro, we both played for the same coach, man. You remember Coach Steve Mushegin? Hey, Coach Moose.

Yeah, Coach Moose. Yeah, Coach Moose got me my scholarship at Sacramento State. Oh, yeah, look at that. That's me scoring a touchdown on Davis right there, on UC Davis. Oh, that's loud. You were a wide receiver, right? I was. I played slot. I was.

Oh, that's fair. You were cooking them. I'm not like y'all, bro, but I pay for school. You know what I'm saying? I pay for school. Right, right. You feel me there? Yeah, they all go.

Yeah. And that's dope, man. Coach Moose is good, man. Coach Moose. So let me ask you this. Okay, you go to college. You have a nice little college career. When did you decide to say, you know what?

Film is going to be the direction that I go in. Yeah, bro, that's a great question. So I got my first scholarship to a school called St. Mary's College. And it's known as a basketball school. We used to a school called St. Mary's College. It's known as a basketball school. We used to have a football team. And then they dropped the program after my freshman year. I played quite a bit that season.

I was returning kicks. I was playing receiver. I played a little bit of DB that year. So I got some more scholarship offers. But while I was there, there was a woman named Rosemary Graham who taught a creative writing class. And she read something I wrote. And she was like,

hey, man, you should think about writing screenplays. You know, my girlfriend at the time, she's now my wife, she bought me a little software that I could write screenplays with. I fell in love with it, man. So by the time I transitioned to Sacramento State, I was doing it on the side, taking writing classes and shooting short films with him, man. So, by the time I transitioned to Sacramento State, I was doing it on the side,

taking, taking classes and shooting, shooting short films with my homies, you know. And then I applied to film school

in 2007. It's crazy, bro, because we was in a, I was doing real well going into my senior year and I, and I got an injury doing seven on seven

where I walk on, a cat was trying to walk on the team, was over eager and he, he caught me on a cat was trying to walk on a team was over eager. And he he caught me on a post and broke my zygomatic arch right here. So it was it was I was eight weeks off where I couldn't lift. I couldn't do anything. And during that time, I realized, like, I need to I need to put this application in for film school. Man, football is is is fleeting. You know what I'm saying? So I applied to USC film school, and I got accepted.

I found out I got accepted like in the middle of the season. And right around that time, man, I started to find myself, my mind wondering when I'll be on the field. Thinking about something else. I'm thinking about a movie I want to make. I'm thinking about being on set. You know, that shit is dangerous when you're doing that. It is.

Football, you got to be all in. And I was kind of locked down when I knew, you know what I mean? Right. That's dope, man. I want to talk, listen, I'm a movie head. I enjoy films. I enjoy the arts and the crafts of it. I enjoy getting lost in character. I get very passionate when I talk about stuff like this. So I watched the trailer for Sinners. And to me, it seemed like a unique blend of supernatural action, mystery and psychological theory. How did you approach this genre and bending concept? And what was it about this story that made you want to tell it?

That's a beautiful question, man. So I had an uncle who was from Mississippi. You know, I'm from Oakland. But I had an uncle who was from Mississippi, and he was like the oldest member of my family, the oldest male member of my family the oldest male member of my family you know what I'm saying

so whenever I kicked in with him he wanted to listen to all blues records and drink all type of whiskey you know what I'm saying and he passed away while I was working on Creed

in 2015 and I never really reckoned with his passion you know what I'm saying I would put blues records on to think about him and that was how I got the idea for this, man.

Like, you know, coming off of Black Panther, it was a real long movie that would count for everyone. We dealt with a lot of tragedies, a lot of misfortune, dealt with the COVID situation. So for me,

I wanted to make something that was quick, but also something that was very unique, very profound, you know what I'm saying? And I wanted to play in a genre where and I wanted to, to,

to play in a, in a genre rock and incorporate music. But I also wanted to make something that was a little bit, that was a little scary, man. Cause you know, black folks, we like that.

You know what I mean? We like, yeah. Yeah. And talking at the screen, you know what I'm saying? I think it's something that, Oh, something that,

um, exactly. You know, I think, I think, um, we have some incredible filmmakers that have, that have capitalized on the medium, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, I think of Jordan.

Jordan Peele. Yeah, but- Get out. Yeah, yeah, but Spice done his thing in that genre. Nia Dacosta's done her thing in that genre. Yeah. You know, so I was fired up about it, bro. And, you know, truthfully, bro, it was a chance for me,

being a product of the great migration, you know what I'm saying, being born and raised on the West Coast to try to get back to the South and embrace that, you know what I'm saying, embrace that part of my ancestry, you know what I mean? Like, I had the most amazing time

making this movie, bro. That's dope. How long, I'm just curious, how long did it take to make a movie in general? I don't mean this one specifically, but I'm just saying in general, what's the timetable like? That's a great question. So this one we made relatively quickly, but they can go from anywhere from two to four years.

What? This one we were able to make in one year. Yeah. Yeah, it's essentially, bro, it's essentially like, imagine imagine a season season and a half football you know what i mean because it takes you six months to shoot six months to a year to shoot it and then you have to edit it it takes you another six months to a year to edit it correct man and that's not including writing the script because i write the script too right okay sometimes you gotta shop the movie around you know right right um you know uh uh so i can tell you how long my movies all took.

So this is my fifth movie that I wrote and directed. Okay. Fruitvale. It took... Fruitvale Station. Classic. Classic.

That's crazy I said that, man. But it took me, it took me about a year to make that one. Okay. You know, Cree, we shot that,

we shot, so Cree, Cree was about a year and a half. You know what I mean? Like a half of that year was just trying to convince Stallone that it was worth doing. You know what I mean? Right.

Rightfully so. You know what I mean? He wanted to make sure that we were serious about it and make sure it would work for him. And then we shot in January. We put the film out in like November. That was a fast one. Black Panther took about two years.

Started working on that in 2016, put it on in 2018. But, you know, Con of Forever was like a four-year movie. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Because I wrote one script. You know what I'm saying? Chadwick passed away. I didn't even know he was sick.

So I didn't have to rewrite that. You know, we got going. The pandemic slowed it down quite a bit. And then, you know, my lovely actress got injured. So we had to shut down for a little bit. You know what I mean? Right. And we put that one out.

So I wanted to make something fast after that, you know, four years on one movie. You feel me? Right. But I was blessed, man, to be able to make something that I'm so proud of, man. Like, you know, really proud of this. I can't wait to show it to y'all. I think y'all going to dig it, man. Listen, I know I'm going to dig it.

When you watch the trailer, for me, when it comes to anything that you do, whether you're an athlete, you have to be a special athlete that puts butts in the seats. When you're a comedian, you have to be a comedian that has stage presence to always keep the crowd engaged. When I watch the trailer and it catches you, when it

catches you right away, I don't know who did the ending, I don't know who did the trailer, but I'm telling you, right away it catches you when it catches you right away. I don't know who did the ending. I don't know who did the trailer, but I'm telling you right away, it catches you and it keeps you and it holds you and then it's like,

it's an appetizer, but it ain't enough. It ain't enough because I want to, I want to see what's next. So now I can't wait to see it and, and just,

I'm, I'm very passionate and enthusiastic when it comes to movies. Bro, I've been a fan of yours for a long time. All your work, everything you've done. That's why I can't shut up right now.

I'm going to tell you something crazy. Yo, for real, bro. I'm going to tell you something crazy. We met before, bro. For real? We met at the Tribeca Film Festival. It was the first film festival I ever got into. Spike did a movie called Kobe Doing Work.

And ESPN had the world premiere of it, bro. And I saw you in there and I went over there and shook your hand, bro. You know what I'm saying? Just on the stream. You know, just being a fan

of what you do on the football field. I was a dude in the game, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, what y'all was doing, bro? Over there in Cincinnati, man, when it was you and TJ and the boys, bro.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Hey, man, when it was you and TJ and the boys, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Hey, like, just the precision of the wrong running, bro, the confidence, you know what I'm saying? Both of y'all had that. Both of y'all had the mental game, too, bro. I remember Shannon, bro, when he used to be mic'd up. I can't fool, bro.

You know what I'm saying? Hey. Hey, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Hey, man. Study your movies a lot of your movies you got michael b jordan now michael b jordan in this role he plays a dual role he's stacking because i'm like i'm like hold on they look like this this look like michael b jordan playing both with emo for i said come on now hold on so i had to rewind and look even closer i I said, it is. What is it about Mike that you love casting him in your movies?

If I'm not mistaken, he was in Fruitvale too. Yeah, all of them. Even in all of them. What you'll find is chemistry, man. It's a head coach and a quarterback. It's a quarterback and a receiver.

You develop a shorthand where you save time. You know what I'm saying? You establish a time for the rest of the crew. And we're not the first ones to do it, man. Usually when you see filmmakers work, they usually have that go. Spike and Denzel.

Oh, yeah, man. Big time. Spike and Denzel. Tony Scott and Denzel. Yep. You know, Square Sense. You had Denzel, Tony Scott and Denzel. Yep. You know, Square Sexy had a thing with De Niro. DiCaprio. You rekindled it with Leo. Exactly. Right.

You know, it's helpful, man. And Mike has a very amazing work ethic. You know what I'm saying? He's always willing to go, always trying to push himself. He doesn't want to rest on his laurels. You and i and i and i can rock with that bro so so you know i'll put him in i'll put him in every movie if i can i'll he'll always have a uh he'll always have a role if i'm if i'm working you know what i mean and let me ask you this right how did you how did you come up with the name sinners why the name sinners that's a great question bro we we found that late man like for a long time the

movie was just called grilled cheese it was a working working title yeah like so he put up in louis louisiana you know um this past summer and say hey man we're grilled cheese shooting that they would have brought you to they'd have brought you to our movie okay you know and and and the story behind that name was i've been cooking these long these long drawn out crazy meals i wanted to make something quick and fast. I knew it would taste good. You know what I'm saying? So that's how we came up with that.

But for Sinners, you know, it was a collaboration between us and the studio trying to figure out the right name for the movie. And we realized that that line, you know, that word was said so many times throughout the script. You know, it deals with blues music and its relationship with the church. You know, like a lot of times the best blues singers will come from gospel.

You know what I'm saying? You learn that a lot of times like daddies was pastors, you know what I mean? And they singing music about drinking and bumping and grinding and it's in conflict with how they was raised. You know what I'm saying? Right, yeah.

So that dynamic was one that we were really, that we were really, you know, once we realized that like, it was like, oh that's that dynamic was one that we were really that we were really young You know once we realized like that like like it was like a man was always in there It should always been called that you know But this movie but the help Trust no one because this movie has a lot to do with paranoia Absolutely, bro, like I mean look It's You know

It's dealing with It's dealing with black culture You know what I'm saying And And a lot of folks don't know that like That I will argue that blues music Is the most important contribution

That America has made To global pop culture You know what I'm saying Everything originated off the blues Everything comes from that And when you do the research, it really came from this one specific area

of Mississippi. You know what I mean? Like, like in, in, in, at that time when,

when blues was created, it was very hard. It was a very hard place to be black. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Um, and people were trying to,

people were trying to affirm that humanity, affirm that dignity at a time when, when, when, when it was, you know,

when it was, when it was very difficult and people were trying to keep them separate, right that dignity at a time when, when, when, when it was, you know, when it was, when it was very difficult and people were trying to keep them separate. Right. You know what I mean? Um, and if, if, if for me, that experience kind of breeds a level of paranoia, you know what I mean? When you can't, when you can't be out after, after dark in certain towns where you gotta, you know, where you, where you know it, where everybody knows everybody. So when somebody new shows up, you know what I'm saying? Or somebody who's been gone a long time, you know, it's a little, it's a little bit, uh, uh, you know, you might look at them a certain way, you know?

I mean, how did y'all come up, man? Did y'all come from places where everybody knew everybody? You can tell an outsider. I'm from a small town. There was 3,500 people with two traffic lights. So we pretty much knew everybody. Now, obviously there are people that will, would come back from New York or Chicago or Detroit that I wasn't familiar with, but I knew their family. And after a while, they end up staying.

So we were cool. We were cool with them also. You said something very interesting because everybody talks about the Mississippi Delta, the Delta Blues. Yes, sir. And this film deals with a lot of brotherhood, loyalty, faith. Yes, sir. You did a great job of working it and putting all that together, and it came together.

From the trailer, from what I saw, I haven't been to the movie since the pandemic. I'm going to go check this one out because I'm interested to see how you tied this thing all together. Now, I saw the two-minute trailer, but I want to see you tie this thing together for 90 minutes. Yeah. I mean, I saw the two-minute trailer, but I want to see you tie this thing together for 90 minutes. Yeah, I mean, I'm proud of it, man. And like, look, another reason I think you're going to dig it, man, is your relationship with your brother Sterling,

bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, whenever I hear y'all talk, I got to imagine that y'all never heard y'all was known. You know what I mean? Like, you know, like, in that, so these twins, you know, it's a... Stack and smoke. Yeah, smoke and stack. It's an archetype, right?

Like, I've never been in a set of twins that everybody knew that was kind of notorious. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And we plan on that. You know, that relationship between the brothers, man. What makes them similar? What makes them different?

I think Mike just did a beautiful job with it, man. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Anybody who got that type of relationship, you know what I'm saying? Got a beautiful job with it, man. I think you're really going to enjoy it. Anybody who got that type of relationship, you know what I'm saying? Got a big brother, got a little brother, you know,

they're going to really feel this movie, I think, on a different level. I like it. I got one more question, man. After creating something like this,

something that's so bold, so different, and, you know, you're pushing boundaries, you know, with most of your work and your craft, and again,

I'm going to tell you, I'm going to harp on it because I've never had a chance to actually tell you. Now I do. I'm going to make sure I let you know with with most of your work and your craft and and again i'm gonna tell you i'm a hard point because i've never had a chance to actually tell you now i do i'm gonna make sure i let you know i'm a huge fan of everything you've done and i'm really i'm really really excited uh for this but do you see yourself continue to push boundaries with more genre films or or just i don't want to be too nosy but what's next all right we got another creed coming. If we do got another creed coming, I want to shoot my shot real quick. Oh, yeah. I could be like the final boss. Yeah, we got another creed coming for sure.

Oh, let me know. Mike's going to direct that. So, yeah, like, you know, absolutely, bro. Like, I think we'd love to make something happen for you. And the other piece for me is like, you know, I want to work a long time, bro. Like, I want to make all types of stuff, man.

And I do love working in the genre space. This is my first, this is my first like movie with all now horror elements. And Brock, I tell you, it's very addictive. You know what I'm saying? Like the idea, the idea of doing something else that isn't this much fun,

it kind of frightens me a little bit, man. But we'll see, man. We'll put this out to the world and see how people respond, and then we'll go from there. But I'm definitely not closing the door on doing more genre work, for sure. It was just too much fun, I'll tell you for real. Right, right. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content. The term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets.

Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see. Muhammad Ali was never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly and stays true to form in Ali and Me, an eight-part Audible original. Guided by his own words, this series explores Ali's life and legacy through never-before-heard audio recordings and discussions with those who knew him best.

Muhammad had this real sense of his own personal values and principles, things he believed in, his own sense of conviction. Those convictions never wavered. Hosted by Muhammad's wife, Lani Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster, John Ramsey, Ali and Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply into Ali's extraordinary life through conversations with Billy Crystal, Mike Tyson, Rosie Perez, Common, Will Smith, and Bob Costas.

It created a North Star for me of how I want to be in the world, you know. As a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime. Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No.

It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafak, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra. You'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.

The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, I think about, like, you did Fruitvale, you've done Creed, you've done Black Panther, now you're in this genre. It's kind of like Spike, because Spike has kind of been all over the place. He's done Malcolm X. He's done Hurricane.

He did Devil in Blue Dress. He's done Harlem Blues. He's done Inside Man. He's done, I think, Man on Fire. No, that was really Scott. He did 25th Hour. 25th Hour, yeah. So he's kind of been,

is that kind of the direction? Like, look, I don't want y'all pigeonholing me in there and saying, oh, he only does, if this a comedy, this is right. If it's something to do with Marvel or Black Panther, this gotta be right. You want to be like multifaceted. You don't want to be tied down or pigeonholed

or tight-cpped for any particular type of movie right that's absolutely correct man spike spike is a big big hero of mine man a mentor um you know same with same with john singleton you know i'm saying yeah um big big hero mentor um and then stepping outside of our art you know our community i love filmmakers like steven soderbergh you know what i'm saying well you never know you never know what they're gonna do next right but you got it you got it um you know it's gonnaoderbergh, you know what I'm saying? Where you never know what they're going to do next, but you know it's going to be quality. You know what I'm saying? And I do definitely want to continue to push myself, but also push the medium forward, man. You know what I'm saying?

It's a blessing to be able to work in a space where you get to work on things that are fresh, work on things that haven't been done before. For instance, with this film, this is the first time that the IMAX camera has been combined with an ultra-panel vision lens. So it's the same camera work, same camera package that was used on Quentin Tarantino's film, The Hateful Eight.

Oh, that was great. Yeah, yeah. That was good. Combine that with the traditional IMAX film camera, first time ever. You know what I'm saying? So getting the chance to break new ground and do that with people of color on the screen. You know what I mean?

And a story set in the Mississippi Delta. It's a great honor to be able to do something like that. You know what I mean? And it helps me to be motivated. It helps me to stay sharp. I'm getting to work with people who I've been working with for a long time. It's just amazing. I don't want to be

too presumptuous of this, but I saw something and it seems like I forget the two brothers, but it's two brothers, Ocho, and one of them might be cast. I want to throw my head in for T'Challa.

You know, I want to throw my head in. I'll just throw my head in. Hold on, man. Hold on. Hold on. What you doing? Hold on.

Hey, man. I want to throw my head in. Hey, man, get it. Hold on. What you doing? Hold on. Hey, man. I'm going to throw my head into the mirror. Hey, man. Get it in there. Hey, man. We can talk about it, man. Hey. Oh, how you going to take my steelo?

Can I get my roll first, Decree? Okay. Okay. Oh, you okay? You want to be one of the fighters that Creed fight? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Ocho. Ocho. You got to think. I got an extensive background in combat sports, so it would be perfect to be able to transition. So I ain't really got to play no character.

I can just be myself. Hey, popping that thing as Ocho, huh? I feel you. Yeah. Yeah, Aldis Hodge. That's his name. Aldis Hodge. Oh, Aldis Hodge.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, hey, they had him already in the uniform. I'm like, okay. Yeah, he could definitely pass for T'Challa. Yeah. He could. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Big shout-out to the artist, man.

He's incredible. You know, he made watches, too, bro. Does he? Straight up knows how to make watches, bro. Wow. Like a genius, bro. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, as a kid, were you in the comics?

Were you a superhero fan? Yeah, big time. I had an older cousin. You know, I'm saying? Ryan, as a kid, were you into comics? Were you a superhero fan? Yeah, big time. I had an older cousin. You know, I'm the oldest of three boys, so I didn't have no big brothers. I've always been looking for one. You know what I'm saying? So I had an older cousin who was 70 years older than me

who was a big cuss word head. And I got into him just because I thought he was cool. You feel me? So that was when I started reading him. But I did always read him. Like, I took a break from a little bit when i when i got serious about sports right but we still watch the cartoons without you but it wasn't you know it was it was all school and ball for like you know from i would say from like

from like eighth grad like ninth grade maybe to uh to to my senior year of college and i went back to film school i got back into them you know know, I mean, do you collect them? That's a great question, bro Honestly, I do I do man like but not but not actively bro Like I would have to tell you it's like I'll go to Comic Con for work And I'll go they got they got um, they got a basically a floor, you know, we can we can go where you can go By a trade trade sale. sell yeah I go in there hit the floor and cop one or something

you know what I mean but it's been a while since I've been in the comic book store man I'm not I'm not gonna hold you give me your top five superheroes

ooh shit alright alright I'm gonna go fast I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm not gonna I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to

I'm gonna go to Charlie number one okay um and then I'm gonna go I'm gonna go to, I'm gonna go to T'Challa number one. Okay. Um, and then I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go Wolverine. Okay. Can I put

villains in it? You can. Yeah, I got, I got, I got Magneto number three. Um, you got who, Magneto? Magneto. Yeah, I got, I got, I got, I got Magneto number three. Um, I got, uh number three I got I'm going to go

Deep Cut Roar Sharks from Watchmen Roar Shark Roar Shark from Watchmen and then I'm going to go

I'm going to go Rogue me and then um and then i'm gonna go i'm gonna go rogue okay oh that's a good one yeah yeah guys we're all like like the the uh you know you know you know take our glove off touch touch you take your powers knock y'all i mean that's yeah yeah that's pretty that's pretty solid i'm surprised you really didn't go with a lot of the old, like, Superman. Batman ain't no superhero. Batman ain't got—he can't do it without that Batman. Bro, bro, Batman was a dog from the old, bro. Like, the fact that I'm saying this without saying Batman is crazy

because that was—man, that was the one for us because they had the animated series. Yeah. And we used to mainline that. I had a homie from Fresno who played DB, incredible defensive back. He a coach now.

Man, me and him during fall camp, bro, we went half on the DVD pack. And during them double days, we would ride back to his girl house and watch the movies in between double days, bro. She'll make a little fool for us, bro. We on the couch, bro. She'll make a little

fool for us, bro. We on the couch, bro. Taking it back to eighth grade, with it. You know.

That's live. That's live. So, Black Panther 3, how long we got to wait? Not long. Yeah, not long.

I mean, there's been a lot of rumors circulating that Denzel going gonna be in it I don't know that's what the word in the street I have a head down like this the street talking

the street talking I've been dying to work with Denzel man and I'm hoping we can make that happen but I got every intention on working with him in that movie. And as long as he's interesting, man,

it's going to happen. Wow. But, you know, he a living legend, man. And a great mentor for so many of us. You know, he just,

he all about looking out for us now, man. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, what an example, bro, for how to live, man. He got his family around him, you know, his children. Yeah, man. Like everybody around him. He's been with Pauletta for 40-plus years.

John David used to train with me in Atlanta. I had retired, but he was down at Morehouse, and the trainer that trained me, bring him to the track, you know, tell him how to do certain things so i've known that family for 20 that was in i retired so like 20 plus years yeah yeah so and denzel is great his wife pauletta yeah john david man they're unbelievable rc i just just seen Denzel. I wasn't able to actually, I was able to let him know I was there, but he wasn't taking no visitors. It didn't matter. It didn't matter who you were.

I was able to see him last week in New York. I went to see Othello. Yeah. Yeah, he don't play with me on Broadway, bro. No, no, no, no. When he on Broadway, he in a different zone, bro. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't playing.

Oh, man, beautiful. Beautiful. Listen, I took drama. I took drama in high school, so that's why I still have a love for drama and the arts and theater and dance. So I really, really enjoy that. Excuse me. Huh?

Come on, Unc, man. Stop playing, right? And listen, Unc, you already know because you can hear me talk when I talk about certain things. You already know it's something I really like now. Hey, why you call Bush when he said dance? I was when he got up in there on you, bro.

Hold on. This is how you know I love dance, too. Mind you, R.C., I did ballet when I was playing. Yeah. I just left New Orleans last week. I went to see Alvin Ailey, man, for the umpteenth time since 1988 when my grandma took me to go see him in 88 at the Gustman Theater. I love it, bro.

I love it in the chipmunks. Okay. Why you all just talking, man? Hey, come on. Hey. I want to go see him. I'm going to see him. I haven't been to a whole lot of Broadway.

I saw Samuel Jackson when he played Dr. King. Okay. I might not get there. Yeah. Broadway is different. Yeah. It's so different than going to the, it's so different than going to an actual movie. Yeah.

I don't know if, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you just went to a, but to sit there and to see, it's so different to go into an actual movie. Yeah. I don't know if it, you know what I'm saying? Don't joke. I mean, you like, you just went to a, but to sit there and to see, I'm like, damn,

this is amazing. Yeah. Yeah. It's no joke, bro. It's a true actor's medium. You know what I'm saying? Yes.

Like, like, like whereas, whereas in film, you know, like, like it's arguably a filmmaker's medium. They'll say television is a writer's medium.

Like, like, like that, that stage is an actor's medium bro they got nothing to save them you know they just they just they just up there you know what i mean it's no you can't move me you know what i'm saying like i guess it's just it's just i love it bro and that's what denzel says denzel says he's a he's a a a a theatrical actor that went to the screen. He cut his teeth on Broadway. Yeah.

He said some people are staged and they come to Broadway. I was Broadway that went to the screen. It's interesting, too, bro, because what a lot of people don't understand, too, is the culture of broadway you know like like um very similar to you know very similar to basketball right like if you if you you know like basketball is very culturally ingrained in the united states so much so that if you go professional if you go watch a professional basketball game anywhere in the world most of the players is going to be from the states you know what i'm saying if you go overseas to Italy and watch a game there or overseas in Germany

you know what I'm saying like you'll see a lot of players here and with that stage work you know it's so culturally ingrained in the UK you know what I mean

like it's a part of that culture they are about the stage the way we are about basketball here you know what I'm saying it's in every saying it's in every

school it's in every you know so you see so you'll see these british actors getting shipped out all over the place man they ain't on every role you know what i mean they ain't on every yeah on every you know you know white white british actors uh uh black british actors you know i'm saying yeah and for for me coming up bro um the first time I hit a Broadway play and really seen somebody get down, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was like,

you know, I damn near wish I had been exposed to it earlier, bro. You know what I'm saying? I might have been doing that. You know what I mean? Right. Well, hey, even if I just get a cameo,

I could be Mboku's brother. Oh, he got you, bro. Hey, hey, if y'all are with me, man, hey, even if I just get a cameo, I could be Mboku's brother. Oh, we got you, bro. Hey, if y'all are with me, man. Hey. Hey. Hey, you watch that. I could be Mboku's brother or something. You put your boy in there.

I'm coming down there. I'm coming with you, Ryan. I'm coming with you. Hey, I'm with you, man. Y'all got such great chemistry, man, when I watch y'all, bro. It's evident, man. I appreciate that. Sinners arrive in theaters April 18th,

directed by, written by Ryan Coogler. He's written such great Fruitvale Station, Black Panther, Wakanda forever, Creed. And now he's with this one centers arrives in theaters, April 18th. Ryan, thank you for giving us a little bit of your time.

Thank you for the trailer. We're going to support you. Hey, chat, make sure we go out here and support our brother, Ryan Kugler. Hey, he's doing big things for the community.

Do a big thing for the culture. Yes, sir. We got to make sure we keep him up. We're going to lift him up and we're going to keep him up there. Ryan, thank you so much for your time. Appreciate it. Hey, I'll see you down the road.

Man, I appreciate y'all. Man, thank y'all. Ryan, thank you, boss, man. Appreciate you, bro. Yes, sir. Oh, yo, we're going to get in the movie, aren't y'all? Hey, hey. Hey, we're going to be famous.

We're going to get in the movie hotel. Hey, hey. Hey, we're going to be famous. We're going to be famous. Yeah. Hey, oh, man. We're going to be famous. I'm a Goku brother. Now, y'all off the chain, man. Y'all take care. All right, boss.

Regret it. Oh, man. That was all right, man. Hey, hey. Hey, boss. Appreciate it. Oh, man. That was... Hey, hey, hey. You ain't know I took ballet? You know I took drama in high school? Yeah, you full of drama now. Hold on, hold on.

This is why I'm so into it is I needed to be eligible to play football. So you know how you just be taking classes and you really ain't got no business taking? Yes. So I took drama just to be eligible to play football. So you know how you just be taking classes, you really ain't got no business taking? So I took drama just to be eligible to play because I needed the credits. I end up liking the damn class. And now, even to this day, still to this day, anytime Broadway plays, come to the Adrian R. Center

down here in Miami, I'm there. Listen, I haven't missed nothing from chicago the mulan rules the wicked the cats i just seen it all the lion king oh man i love that man but i need to i need to i need to i need to go see denzel uh hey you you'll love it i'm not sure when you're in new york again um i might just go it just might go on my own yeah you you you gotta go you're gonna love it you going to love it. You're going to love it. But it was great, man.

Ryan is unbelievable. You know, we communicated a little bit. He's been wanting to come on. He said, man, I didn't want to come on. He said, get me on something. You know, I come on club, shit, shit. I come on night camp. I just want to, hey, I just want to chill.

He said, man, I love what you do. I love you and Ocho, man. Y'all, hey, I love how you and him play off each other. And so I was like, hey, I was glad we were able to get this and to make this work. I actually met the guy that plays Mboku in Black Panther. I actually met him at where I go get my nails, Salon Republic in L.A.

I actually met him at the getting his car. Took a picture with him and everything. He a cool dude. Also, 464-pound D-tackle Desmond Watson could be the largest draft pick in NFL history. His weight comes with a massive 6-foot-6-inch frame. Watson had his pro day workout. He benched 225 36 times.

That's more than any player mustered at this year's combine. And he ran the 40 in under 6 seconds, a 5.93, and he had a 25-inch vertical. Aaron Gibson. No, Aaron Gibson only weighed 405 from Wisconsin. Hold on. Went to Detroit. Hey, can you do me a favor real quick, Al? Yes.

For me, because I can't see. I can't visually see him. So I'm listening to the numbers you're giving me. Is he bigger than Sam Adams? Yeah. Is he bigger than what Sam Adams was or bigger than Gilbert Brown? Yeah. Hell yeah.

He outweighed him down to about 100. What? He's 464, Ocho. What do you think Gilbert Brown was? Like 365, 370 at his top. Can he move? He ran 593. I mean, move in the position that he actually plays.

Hey, think about it. He'll de-tackle. He ain't going but from A gap to B gap. Oh, he clogging up space. That's it. Okay. Okay. Hey, somebody in the NFC East need to drive.

I mean, the NFC East, stop the patoosh push. Put his ass over the center. Say, look here, you got the guard. You got the guard in the center listen listen Cincinnati Cincinnati

we need help on defense and obviously we can start at the defense we can start right there on that defensive line bring him on down there clog that thing up if I'm not mistaken

I think at one point in time he was almost 500 pounds didn't he lose like 40-50 pounds Desmond Watson. I think I heard him talking about that he was like almost 500 like really close to 500 at one point.

Hey listen, depending on where you go they gonna get that weight up off of him. They gonna get some of it up off of him. Hey, at some him Hey Hey Ocho I mean you might get him down You ain't getting him under 400 Yeah I mean listen

Unless you put him on that Zipic Yeah get him a little You put him on that Zipic That's the only way you gonna get him under Hey Zipic Semaglutide Trizepatide That's how Hey That's the only way you're going to get a buddy. Hey, Ozempic, semaglutide,

tri-sepatide. That's all A. That's A. And then 464, A. Now I see, A, he can't play in the league if he tried this diet.

I've seen somebody over 400 pounds and they got tried this diet, and they was under 200. Crack. And the old boy, he's about 4'10". That pipe had him drawn up. He was under 200 by 175.

Hey, man, you shut up, man. Be honest with you, Ocho. But I hope old boy get an opportunity to play I think somebody I think somebody gonna give him an opportunity Yeah Yeah We cut the name on everything

Hey man he on that zippy Hey I just listen I love the numbers i hear the numbers it sounds it sounds you know staggering it sounds intimidating but i need to see what you look like when you turn the film on are you are you destructive yeah you know aren't your lsu office attacker will campbell has something to say about people scrutinized they call it t-rex uh for two years nobody had any measurements on me and nobody said anything about my play so now all of a sudden armless decide if i'm a good player or not i think it's bs the mock drafts have them going somewhere between a number 10 to the bears or number 11

to the 49ers listen i don, don't listen to that stuff. And I hope he doesn't, young boy. Don't worry. Don't worry about that stuff. Man, listen, they will nitpick at everything and find issues with small hands, small shoulders, I mean, small feet. I mean, it really had nothing to do with the game of football. When you turn the film on, what are you doing with those T-Rex arms of yours?

That's all that matters. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Come on. When you turn the film on, what are you doing? He's good. He's going early. He's going to be off the board.

He's going to be a great player for somebody. He's going to be a great player for somebody. He's going to be a great player for somebody. Ocho, check this out. Granny said help your little basketball game. Ocho, watch this video. What is that? The game going. Who was that walking across the court?

That's Granny. Granny had to get to the other side. Granny said, I ain't walking around no court. That's too far. I'm walking right through. Look at Granny. Hey. Listen, this is visual representation of I don't give a you know what.

Yeah. I don't give a you know what. Yeah. I don't give a damn. I'm walking right through. She ain't got, she ain't got, she don't know no better. Granny ain't speed up or nothing. Hey, that's funny. Hey, that was funny.

I ain't know what that was walking across that screen. That's Granny. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there,

and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see. Muhammad Ali was never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly and stays true to form in Ali and Me, an eight-part Audible original. Guided by his own words, this series explores Ali's life and legacy through never-before-heard audio recordings and

discussions with those who knew him best. Muhammad had this real sense of his own personal values and principles, things he believed in, his own sense of conviction. Those convictions never wavered. Hosted by Muhammad's wife, Lani Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster, John Ramsey, Ali and Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply into Ali's extraordinary life through conversations with Billy Crystal, Mike Tyson, Rosie Perez, Common, Will Smith, and Bob Costas. It created a North Star for me of how I want to be in the world, you know. As a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime.

Listen to Ali and Me, now on Audible. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second.

I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho. Yo. We got to talk about this.

Bishop Marvin Sapp is receiving backlash. He locked the doors of the church until they received 40K in donations. Let's take a listen to this Ocho okay come on and they understand the cost that is involved there's 1000 of you I said close them doors

ushers close the doors close the doors close the doors it's 1000 that's watching online. This is a small seed. If I get a thousand online to give this, if I get a thousand in the sanctuary to give this, that's $40,000 tonight. Now everyone up here, we've all sold and seeded, but I need everyone standing up here with us, with me to plant a seat of $100. Because again, it costs to sit up here. And this is what I need you to do. If you're giving electronically or even if you're giving tangibly, I'm going to have y'all come to the altar and

give it because I need to see a thousand people. Bring them baskets. I want the baskets up here. I want to see the folk. Y'all start moving. Y'all can bring it right now. Come, come, come, come, come. A thousand people need to give $20. A thousand people need to give $20. A thousand people online need to give $20. This is easy, saints. Hey, well, that's always been the church. That's always been the church. But see, they used to choose faith. That's always been the church. I grew up in a church oath though That's always been the church I grew up in a church You know that offering

Played to come around About two or three times They said But the Lord said Give what you can He didn't put no He didn't put no number on it Oh no no

He didn't He didn't He said when you tithe Ten percent Ten percent of your earnings Yes Ten percent of your earnings Now he will say

Malachi I think It's through Malachi Three eight through eleven He said when the man robbed God He answers the question Because he already know Yes! 10% of your earnings. Now, he will say Malachi. I think it's through Malachi 3, 8 through 11. He said, well, the man robbed God. He answers the question because he already knows what you're going to do. He said, yeah, where would I rob you? He said, in tithes and in offering. He said, bring your tithe to the storehouse,

and I'll open up the windows of heaven and pour you out of blessings that you will not be able to receive. That's what he said. Now, he ain't telling these jackals to be coming up here talking about, hey, see, what they preaching is prosperity. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. See, that's why I'm going to

the ministry. Come on, now you're cooking, man. Hey, Ocho. Yeah. Ocho. Yes, sir. I'll pass the plate around. I'll pass the collection plate. Now, look here. Ocho. Hey, don't. I'll pass the collection plate. Now look here. Hey, don't put no change in the collection plate. God don't like noise.

Yeah, dog. God don't like noise. Hey, hey, boy. Listen. I need to go into the back. Uh-huh. Listen, listen. Hey, you know, Mama said, now the church, the church, the church, the church, that's part of the building fund. The church need new windows.

You ain't going to tell me how much to give. Oh, he need a Rolex. Oh, he need a, he need a jet. Oh, he need a Rolls Royce. He need a Bentley. Yeah. Yeah. He ain't going to have a better, he ain't going to have, if I'm working harder, he ain't going to have a better car than me.

Not that I'm donating to. Yeah. Hey, well, one thing you got to understand that I, I've never, I've never been, I've never been in the pulpit.

I've never been a preacher, but I do understand the work that come behind it. I do understand the studying and the hours and all the, all the stuff that they have to go through when it comes to running the church and being a preacher. Now I'm not going to sit up here and preach because that's's not me i am not finna play with the lord like that but in the bible with the lord hold on listen to me now in the bible it says god loves a cheerful giver it doesn't tell you how much you got to give though exactly that's my point it that that's it now that's the only thing i don't agree with now you ain't finna lock them goddamn doors and i got

to get home and watch the basketball game because it's March Madness. Talk about something I got to give you $1,000. Now, the devil is a lie. Now, you're going to open them doors and I'm going to give you what I can. Now, that's what's going to happen. Or we're going to have to tussle up here in this church. Yeah. Then God's going to have to come down there and pull me up off you.

He's going to have to come down up off his throne because he's the Alpha and the Omega. The Omega that sits high and looks low. So he know I'm going to be tearing your tail up in that church if you lock them doors and I can't get up out of there. But I would say, man, come on now. Hey, they're doing too much, now. Hey, they doing too much, Ocho. They doing too much, They a trip.

They a trip. They a trip. And it's a new church. I didn't even know, I didn't even know pastors was a job because when I grew up, the pastor,

he was the principal. He was a janitor. He cut hair. He wasn't going to preach the full time. That wasn't the only job he had. Right. I ain't know, preach a full time. That wasn't the only job he had. Right.

I swear on you, I did not know that that was a full time job. Yeah, it is. Maybe it's just me. Maybe that was just a Southern thing. But. Yeah. Hey, man. My pastor was a teacher at the school.

Or he was the principal. Or he was the custodian. He was the barber. Yeah. He did other things just he just didn't preach maybe not just i don't know maybe not just me hey but one thing you got to think i'm not sure marvis app has a mega church but i understand what what goes into it and what entails when it comes to the overhead for a church of that magnitude with a congregation church that big yeah and, stop building a church that big. Yeah.

And listen, I don't know. I ain't never been there. I ain't never been there. But listen, one thing I do, I love some preaching, boy. I love some preaching. You know, grandma had me in the church, you know, Sunday, Wednesday, Bible study. I led the choir. You know, I was in the junior choir.

I was a junior deacon. I did a little bit of everything. I'm going to need to see where they said that in the Bible. Oh I was a junior deacon. I did a little bit of everything. I'm going to need to see where they said that in the Bible. Where the preacher would preach it and they locked the doors. Now, if that's in the Bible. No, it's not in there. That's not in there. You know, they rewrite their own story now.

Yeah. You know, we good for that. We good for that. I'm just going to show you. It used to be salvation was free but ministers have found a way to charge for salvation salvation was free

but that's a good one that way man they did stop look that's a good one there and it's not the fact that it's $20 it's the fact

that he's put a number on it right you don't tell somebody what they should give. That's between them and their God. Not between the preacher trying to get money out your pocket.

Yeah, especially during these times. I give. I ain't got no problem giving, but you don't, he ain't going to tell me how much to give. That ain't got nothing to do with him. That's between me. Hey, I'm going to have to answer. No matter what you think of Shannon Sharp,

Shannon's going to have to answer for Shannon. Yeah. You can say one soul, your own. You trying to tell me what I need to do. I'm going to have to give an account for this. I'm going to have to go before that man. And everything, he's going to say, you remember you're gonna remember you remember that man they need to see i don't i don't be like that don't you i don't i don't yeah i listen i'm listen i'm with you when

you're right i'm with you right now i'm not getting too upset about it because i i've come from the baptist church you know i've been there I know what it's like from a little one until I was a senior. I look, I remember sitting on them benches. We had wooden benches. You slide too much, you might get a splint in your butt. We didn't have no cushion. We didn't have no cushiony seats. It leaked.

I mean, they revamped it, but it was a church, and you felt the Lord come in there. Now they got all these fans that say, Lord, I ain't coming by here. Yeah. Y'all playing in my name. Now, hey,

y'all gonna have fans after this? Mm-hmm. Hey, them was some good days. Now you got, I mean, just, you mentioned in that video, just bring back memories y'all have a good day. Hey, that was some good days. Now you, now you got, I mean, just you mentioned that video. Just bring back memories at church with grandma and Overtown,

you know, by Overtown, right? And my mom, all of the Baptist church, I'd never forget Reverend Clark. And then as I got, as I got my first past,

my first past, my first day was Reverend Clark. For real. Yeah. Now, as I, as I, as I got a little older,

you know, Miami Northwestern, well, Teddy Bridgewater just won a national championship? Yeah. I started walking from my grandma's house on 44th and 11th. I started walking to New Birth because New Birth, they was at Miami Northwestern having a church there. And I started going to see the Honorable Victor T. Curry and became a part of that church.

And now they're over there at Open Lockoff 135th. Everybody that's a part of that church and now they over there open lock off 135th everybody that's a part of new birth i know you might see this uh victor t curry i hope everything is good i know i ain't been to church in a while i ain't got no suits but i love you and i'm doing i'm doing right oh joe but they've been preaching prosperity for the longest time you remember the televangelist see reverend ike and they had jimmy swagger and they had Ike and they had Jimmy Swagger and they had a. Yeah. And they had a. Oh, Jimmy.

Rex Humbard. What you know about Jimmy? Yeah. Hey. Yeah. Oh. And Jimmy Swagger got up there and told my father I've sinned. You know what I'm saying?

Hey. But I'm saying y'all remember Rex Humbard? It was Jimmy Swagger, Rex Humbard. Reverend Ike was the first one because Reverend Ike was having you put $5 and send it in for the prayer cloth. I don't know if y'all remember that, but I've been here before y'all time, chat, but I'm old enough to remember. That's one thing about being old. And once you get to a certain

age, you realize that's your only purpose left to do is to get old. Man, they better stop playing with me. Man. Hey, that was classic goddamn jimmy swagger boy i remember bad i said bad look here that's funny like i said i look i give the lord knows you bless me and i don't have no i don't have no problem and not only do I give to the church, if people in need.

Yeah, that's me. Hey, I was helping people in the wildfires that happened in California. Yes, sir. Hey, Shannon, hey, you know, me and my mom, my mom ain't got nowhere to go, Shannon. Right. I get you a place for a couple of months.

It is. That's the way my grandmother would give people her last. I'm like, why you give me that? I ain't got nothing to eat. Hell, we don't eat them. You know, we're going to be okay. We got some rutabagas. You know, we can make some crack. No, let them some rutabagas and you know we can make some crack limit no let them make rutabagas right give them what we gonna eat and then we can go to the supermarket

and we get some hot dogs but that ain't how bad that ain't how mary porter was she's a son you know hey one day god Hey, listen. She really, truly believed in that. Right. Hold on. I believe in that and always have, you know. You remember when I used to do the tipping all the time? And I would put Proverbs. The generous person will always, I stopped doing it because I kind of got in trouble

because people seeing me do that and give to others so they complaining well why are you not sending more to me if you got extra to give the strangers i just so i i just i stopped doing it all together you know so anyway but that's the same that's the same thing ocho when we gave to uh southern right why did you say bro bro come on man oh on, man? Oh, yeah. Man, what about A&T? What about this? What about, bro? Yeah. Yeah, so I stopped.

And first and foremost, Savannah State gets my undivided attention. They first on the list. Right. No matter what. Absolutely. And I love HBCUs. I'm matriculated. Yes.

And I got a degree from Savannah State. But first and foremost, I'm here sitting in this seat because a lot of people at Savannah State, Haynes Walton, Norman Elmore, Claire Baines, Joyce McLemore, Joanne Green, Steve Smith, Gay Hewitt, they believed in me. Yeah. They believed in me yeah they believed in me so man please but i've always been like that old joe i i've always you know when i i got money i used to go back and and and and tithe and and and make sure my grandma oh give me something to put in the church i give my grandma you know oh you want me to put all this grandma, ooh, give me something to put in the church. I give my grandma, you know,

ooh, you want me to put all this in church? You say give you something to put in church. You ain't got to put it all there. Keep something for yourself. You ain't got to put it all in there, but you say give you something to put in church. You want to put it all in there? Hey, you know your baby going to take care of you, you go get some more.

But yeah, man, they got to, man, they got to, baby gonna take care of you granny you're gonna get some more but yeah man they gotta uh man they gotta they i just don't like i just don't like preaching prosperity i don't yeah uh i'm coming for the word and so so now if i don't give you a thousand dollars i don't give you 50 god ain't gonna bless me nah god said to give you now it's time for our final segment of the evening it's time for q and m well i enjoyed i enjoyed the night but tonight was a good i was a good one God said to give what you can. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. I enjoyed the night, but tonight was a good one. That was a good one. Ragnacow4 said, oh, you got to blame JJ for that.

JJ wasn't on the court. JJ didn't tell LeBron to gamble. JJ didn't tell LeBron to gamble JJ didn't tell LeBron to turn the ball over they had a five point lead with 12 seconds they had a two point lead they ended up being down by one with six seconds they had a lead with three seconds

and the team didn't have a timeout that ain't on JJ bro yeah LeBron James Bonnie James Bryce James Bulls in five to leave with three seconds and the team didn't have a timeout that ain't on jj bro yeah lebron james bonnie james bryce james bulls in five great air was lebron should focus on winning games instead of picking fights with reporters he's hurting the team right now he's hurting his team right now well obviously it wasn't a good look. Like I said, we don't need to get into it.

There was more discussion. Stephen A had more to say. I don't care to add anything. I don't have anything to add to it. But I think hopefully both of them decide to leave this alone and move forward. LeBron needs to focus on these last nine games and trying to get the best seed he possibly can for the Lakers.

Don't worry about what Stephen A said. Stephen A going to talk. That's Stephen A's job. But, hey, now let's focus on what we need to focus on. Derek Johnson, hey, Unc, are you going to first take tomorrow to defend the Ghosts? I mean, go. No, hell no. I'm Monday, Tuesday.

If your job, you show up on your day off to work? I don't know where to do that yet. I don't. Monday, Tuesday. Now, it's normally an itinerary, like, you know,

during the fall, we went to HBC, you had the HBC tour, but that was already implemented. I ain't coming on my day off, this is my day off. And plus, I already got something on the off. And plus, I already got something on the schedule. They know.

I already got something booked. Right. Ocho, you gonna be mad. Who? You. Why? What happened? Cause I'm going to spar with somebody tomorrow. Like spar? Like spar? Spar! You know spar! Spar!

Who you gonna spar with? Don't worry about it. Hey, who you got for club, Shay Shay? It's a fighter? The champ is here. You heard me? Huh? You interviewing a fighter? Yeah champ is here. You heard me? You interviewing a fighter? Yeah. Which one? The champ

is here. Which one? He the champ at 147, undisputed. Oh, tell him fight me then. I can get down to 147 right now. You heard me?

What you think? Undisputed champion at 147. Yeah. That's all right. We good. that's alright we good I turned that thing over you see I turned that thing over yeah hey you got hang the phone up man

you got to hang the phone you got your hand got to be in there now you're not Mike Tyson get your hands up man Get your hands up Hey I put that George Foreman You see that George Foreman

That cop Yeah Hey that was funny Yeah The champ is here The champ is here I'ma turn that fag over on you Yeah

Okay You gotta keep that Keep that elbow up man The champ is here. I'm going to turn that thing over on you. Yeah. Okay. You got to keep that elbow up now. You got to keep that elbow up on them hooks. Hey, but I also got to keep that thing. Hey, because you keep that thing too high, they bang the ribs. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's why you got to tuck in. You got to tuck in real comfortable. But, hey, don't give him that square shot. You got to turn that angle. Put that angle on. I can't give you that poor shot. All of a sudden. Hey, I'm going to teach you everything. Everything you talk about, you're going to see me do again, James. You see, I snapped that thing off, Joe.

You want to bring it back? Yeah, you got to give me a little extension on them things, too, now. Don't shortchange me. Hey, see, when I popped that jab, that jab like, bam. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Okay. Yeah, there you go.

Yeah, I like it. Yeah. The champ is here. Hey, I got some Reyes gloves too. You know them Reyes. Whoo, you can feel your knuckle through them things. But you know, I got them all.

Like when I was doing that mess, I was doing a little bit of it. Then my hips got too bad. It hurt too bad. I had some winning practice gloves. Yeah, that's all I got. Got. That hurt too bad. I had some winning, I had winning practice gloves. Yeah, that's all I got. Got a bunch of winning stuff.

As a matter of fact, whoever you're interviewing tomorrow, tell them I said let's spar at 147. I will call you. I mean, whoever did it, I probably got it in my phone. I just, I mean, you say on the smoothie at 147,

I probably already beat him up. Honestly. Real Carter says, Stephen A., Chick-fil-A, don't care how much. Luke away. Legs are fine. Tonez G. said, what's the Steelers' ceiling if they sign Rodgers? Ocho, what's their ceiling? I mean, listen, I don't know what their ceiling is. I have no idea.

I know what Rodgers can do. I know what he did in the past. I know what we saw from Matt DeGest. I'm not sure what Rodgers are we going to get. Are we going to get the Aaron Rodgers that's bought in? Are we going to get the Aaron Rodgers that shows up at the minicamp? Or are we going to get the Aaron Rodgers that goes on a dark retreat?

It all depends on what Aaron Rodgers you get. True. Are you bought in? Are you actually bought in? You ain't got the leverage you used to have before now. It's a different ballgame. They only go as far as he goes. Go ahead.

What are you going to say? I was going to say they only go as far. Every team is only going as far as the quarterback goes. You're only going as far as the quarterback goes. You're only going as far as your quarterback is invested in how serious he's going to take his craft and job. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

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listen and get advice from sports shows and people that talk sports what do you think none is it i tell you what if you listen to them hey listen to the fans pretty soon you'll be right up there with them we are listen to to the GMs and people in that football operation. Then listen to people that talk. Pretty soon you're right there next to them.

Former general manager of this team. Former player personnel of this team. Right. J213 said, Hey, Okonocho, please rank these music videos. MJ Thriller, you rock my world. Remember the Time, and I Rock With You. For me, Thriller, Remember the Time. Do you read?

Thriller is definitely first. Yeah, Thriller is number one. Thriller might be the best video all time. Do you remember the time? That's number two for me. I want to rock. You rock my world. Which is the one with Eddie Murphy and All In A Minute?

That's Remember the Time. Okay, yeah, that's definitely number two. I go, you know what? I rock my world is three and rock with you four. All night. I go, you know what? I rock my world as three and rock with you four. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy said, fam, nightcap, closing on 2 million subs on Club Shea Shea, almost 4 million. That's just not content. That's culture, not just views. That's a vision.

Congrats, Shea Shea Media. Well done, a compliment. Thank you, Dr. Frankie. Hey, man. Hey, Media. Well done, a compliment. Thank you, Dr. Frankie. Hey, man. Hey, Jess. Jess hit it out of the park for us, man. She was unbelievable. Yeah.

She was unbelievable. And I'm just trying to figure out people talking about, ain't nobody watch Amber Rose. They realize Amber Rose on YouTube did about 4 million views? Andrew Schultz did about 4 million views. For nobody to watch him yeah how many people that sit down

and have conversation with people on YouTube do 4 million views you can't listen to people man I don't listen you can't listen to people I don't like this person oh

you gotta come on you gotta come into the comments to say you ain't gonna watch this video but you in the comments you know what don't you and one more thing got to come into the comments to say you ain't gonna watch this video. But you in the comments. You know what, Ocho? And one more thing. I want two words to be retired in 25. What's that?

Diabolical and messy. Messy? Messy. Because every time Shannon's going to the store, man, you know Shannon's so messy. Man, Ocho was talking about that boy, Shannon's so messy. And that's, you know Shannon's so messy. Man, Ocho was talking about, that boy, Shannon's so messy. And that's, oh, that's diabolical.

Okay, enough. Yeah, listen, the only messy, listen, the only messy I recognize is Maya. Diabolical? I ain't never really heard that. Man, that's all day. Man, Ocho talking about, okay, totally diabolical.

Bro. I'm like, hold on. There have been so many people that have the guests that I've had on and ask them the very same questions that I ask.

Everything is fine. Nothing. The minute you ask us a problem, I'm messy. And pause. Why we pause, bro? Hey, Ocho, you remember we used to be able to talk, Ocho, because, you know, we talking, we talking,

we talking. Right. But I act. I was like, man. I just don't get it. But, Doc, I thank you very much. It's the look. And all the people that's pausing and diabolical and messy,

y'all ain't really supporting Ocho and I anyway. Y'all just coming and hoping somebody tag along y'all want somebody, cause there are a lot of followers on social media Ocho, yeah, yeah there are a lot of followers I think Jess was unbelievable Amber was great

Young Miami was great Andrew Schultz, I like having different people, if all I had was football players, if all I had was football players, if all I had was comedians, if all I had was any one group of things, how do you grow? How do you expand the platform?

I'm confused. Y'all do realize we're trying to expand. Right. When you go back and look at talk shows that used to be and they're not, we made it now, but when you go back and look at talk shows that used to be and they're not we made it now but when you go back and look at Phil Donahue and you look at Oprah

you look at Ricky Lake and you look at Jenny Jones and you look at all those they had different people all the time yeah you have to have that that's how you grow

that's how you expand yeah but I think different backgrounds different backgrounds, different ethnicities, you got to have that. Hey, in young Miami,

man up, man up, bro, I ain't never asked for nobody, I ain't got nobody. We just, we have a great time.

I go with how they go. Hey, young Miami was flowing, we going to flow. Amber Rose flowing, we going to flow. Cash dog, we gonna flow cash dog we gonna flow we gonna flow certain people they want to keep it strictly we gonna keep it that right but i think the whole thing is to make people feel comfortable when they come on that they're having a conversation

that they open up that's it that's all i'm trying to do i ain't trying to hey hey man i'm shooting this shot no okay shooting no shot. Come on now. I mean, come on. How that's going to look? I'm bringing somebody on there to try to shoot a shot. Hell, I'm just letting the DM and not even brought him on. That's what, but people think like, that's what y'all would do.

See, y'all would be, and pretty soon, you wouldn't have a talk. You wouldn't have a conversation. You wouldn't have a pod. The one thing I won't do, as Barney Porter told me this when I was very young age, he said, boy, don't ever put your dick in your wallet. And when I told people that, people were like, what does that mean? I said, you'll figure it out. Don't worry about it.

I'm going to write that down right now. D. Chastity, it's my wife's birthday today. write that down right now. D-Chat said, it's my wife's birthday today. Can you guys please give KC a shout out? Even though we're beefing, I still love her. Thanks, guys.

Hey, KC. Happy birthday, KC. Quit that aside. D-Chat, just for tonight. Hey, like Luther Vandross, you just say, if only for one night,

it's your birthday. Hey, y'all can go back to beef. Be like Tom and Jerry. Hey, like Luther Vandross, he just say, if only for one night, it's your birthday. Hey, y'all can go back to beef. Be like Tom and Jerry. Hey, y'all can beef tomorrow. But tonight, put all that aside and do right by your man. That's all you got to do.

Just give it, just, just, it's good. I mean, come on now. It can't be that bad. you gotta do. Just give it, just, just, it's good. I mean, come on now. It can't be that bad. You never know. Retired deputy chef said, what's the one thing you wish you knew about love in your twenties that you

understand now? What's more important, a partner, loyalty, peace, and passion, peace, loyalty,

because if she gives me loyalty, I'll be at peace Man, peace I ain't trying to hear that Oh, you want peace? Man, peace If somebody beat your walls down While you were at peace

Okay Man, she not even with me That's why I got damn peace So I don't care who beat them down Shit, you ain't mad That's your responsibility now I ain't talking about I ain't talking about your situation.

Oh, no, I'm talking about mine. I'm just saying, I'm saying in general, you said peace. That's the peace. Since when do you have peace if you have someone in your space? You don't have to be. There is no peace. Yeah, that's what you're supposed to have, Ocho. We never get it.

Well, that don't mean you stop looking. That don't mean you stop searching. Oh, I'm good now. I got peace now. Sir K said, my guys, two questions. Ocho, I know it's early, but what are your early predictions of who will win FIFA World Cup 2026? Can the U.S.

win it? Sterling versus Ocho, who is the X, who is the Z? My brother played the Z. Ocho who is the X who is the Z my brother played the Z Ocho was an X my brother played the Z Jerry my brother played the Z they played the Z position

who you got Ocho World Cup 2026 that should be a good one boy I mean Who you got on your World Cup 2026? Woo! That's going to be a good one, boy. I mean, I would love USA. I would love USA to get a little further than normal. I'm excited to see what they're able to do. But it's going to be very, very difficult, very difficult for us,

looking at some of the qualifying games they played so far, not dominating against inferior opponents. Oh, man. And I mean that in no disrespect. But how are we going to compete with the Argentinas and the Brazils and the Frances? I don't know. So as far as a favorite now, Argentina is probably a favorite to win yet again,

along with some other squads so i don't know france maybe to go back to the question he says what do i wish i knew i knew what I needed to know but I was so driven I didn't think I could do two things I didn't think I could, Ocho. Because the one woman that I knew loved me unconditionally was Mary Porter. No matter what I did, no matter what I did, she'd say, baby, you were wrong, but I love you.

She didn't love me on the condition that I didn't cheat. She didn't love me on the conditions that I didn't cheat. She didn't love me on the condition that I didn't hurt her. She didn't love me on the conditions that I was in a bad mood and I didn't want to talk. She loved me unconditionally. Come on, man. And so for me, I was searching for that and not realizing that I was never going to achieve that. There were conditions on which my partner was going to love me. Always.

So it made it very, very easy for me to stay focused on what I needed to focus on. I'm not here to apologize for that, Ocho. Yeah, remember what I always told you? That all comes down to also being able to manage your expectations with understanding that everything comes with conditions where everybody's it's easy for everybody to be loyal when it's convenient and beneficial well hell of course somebody hold on it's convenient it's beneficial virtue says low bar yeah everybody gonna love somebody that's making millions it's easy to love somebody that's making you because you know what a man You know what a man told Not a man

Not a man It was a man and his wife And she said Shannon It's just as easy to love a rich man As it is a broke one Come on now Come on

Don't let that go over y'all head Come on now So all this All this y'all talking Oh cheating this and that It's just as easy for you to love me or pretend that you love me for the situation that I can lift you up out of.

Listen, I'm acting like I'm in a church. I'm going to go ahead and exit stage left. Well, y'all... Hey, we often play that. Hey, I see your 5200 right now because you're preaching you heard me i will see you right i am going to find me someone come on oh you done got old now you done got old yeah i got old and i got my money i'd have been young and then got with the wrong one. I'd have been old with no money. And I ain't got nobody to take care of me.

Now at least I can pay somebody to come take care of me or do things for me that I can't do for myself. There it is. There it is. Boy, you were cutting up into the show tonight, boy. That wasn't nothing but a word that wasn't nothing but a word uh huh oh man

my former teammate Rodney Spivey Rodney Arnold Rodney Irvin Arnold how you change the name 1967 he from Myrtle Beach man

we got the Savannah State together Ocho the guy that's and as a matter of fact he was so he came to Minnesota my first

this was in 1991 he came and saw me play in Minnesota yeah He came to Minnesota. My first, this was in 1991. He came and saw me play in Minnesota. Yeah. I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think his wife might have been from Minnesota. But he had a, I remember he came, he had a red IROC Z. Uh-huh. I remember that.

Remember the IROC? 5%. Hold on. T-top? You had T-top? Yes. Red. I'm talking about candy. A candy red. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I had, T-top? Yes! Red. I'm talking about candy. A candy red.

Yeah. Yeah, I had a T-top. I had the IROC on the side, but I want to send my thoughts and prayers out to his family. Rest in peace, Spivey, and to all the family, friends, and loved ones that's been impacted by this sad passing of my former teammate and friend, Rodney.

Rest in peace, broney. Rodney, rest in peace, bro. SSC mission, man. T-Fi always. Alabama cooked them boys. Mark Sears is brushing 2.0. Yeah, I think he made like, didn't he make like 10 threes?

They made like 20, 20, wait a minute, like 25? Wow. That's it. Ocho, that concludes this episode of Nightcap brought to you by Boost Mobile. Visit your nearest Boost Mobile store or BoostMobile.com to join their nationwide 5G network today. I'm up.

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