Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sanders talks Draft criticism + Vikings move forward with McCarthy

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week including Shedeur Sanders being criticized by draft experts, Viking going with JJ McCarthy over Aaron Rodgers, Tee Higgins upset being called a WR2 & Much more!04:21 - Assessing Shedeur Sanders09:42 - Vikings moving forward with JJ McCarthy22:27 - Cam Heyward: The product sells itself31:14 - Najee Harris says there’s lack of leadership with Steelers40:00 - Don’t call Tee Higgins a WR2(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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a smear campaign against him. His answer is what you expect from Time's Son. It's definitely a learning experience. There are a lot of things that aren't in your control, and just getting the knowledge from your dad and your coach, family, friends, and everybody you know that's supporting me and helping me through this process is extremely important, and I'm thankful that I have those resources. We always understood block out the noise, even from Jackson state and Colorado. It's a lot of critics. It's a lot of hate,

but we know what to do. We know how to handle that in every way. So we remained happy. What do you, what do you, what do you take away from what shouldador spoke to Bucky Brooks about today? Prime is prepared, Shador, for this day for a very long time, huh? And he had the right person on his corner who also had to endure the same type of negative negativity in general from the media.

Based on his style of play, the way he approached the game, things that had nothing to do with his play, would always use it against him. Shaduah understands that. He should understand that because everything he's talking about has nothing to do with the game of football. It had nothing to do with what he was able to do at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Jackson State. It doesn't talk about him winning at Colorado. Despite the obstacles he had to overcome,

despite having inadequate play at the O-line, still being able to complete 70% of his passes. They don't talk about none of that. They talk about the way an individual carries himself, his swag, the way he talks. Not about being in trouble. Nothing is talking about that. Ridiculous stuff.

Oh, showing off the watch. I mean, so what? It's all about having confidence. It's all about having belief. That's what it takes to play at the next level and be successful. The fact that they use it as a negative says more about them than it does Shadur. And I hope he never changes. True.

And he continues to have success in all that he does. Wherever he goes, you want to get a player like that that's going to change your franchise around. When someone comes out and says, I want someone to draft me that wants a player that's going to change their franchise, that's something you want in a quarterback.

I know it's frowned upon a little bit to have one that's as brash and as vocal as that. But if you look at the film and you turn the film on, you know what you get. There shouldn't be no problems

at all. Yeah. I'm sure time prepared him for this. His dad prepared him for this. He's been at this. His dad has been at this for a very long time. He's been in the spotlight since his days at Florida State. So he understands that there's a certain level of criticism that comes along

with being the guy, with being a good, great football player. He understands that. Also, it comes along with being a quarterback. And yeah, the objective is, I think the thing is that Ocho, a lot of times they try to tell you what you can't do, but they never want to emphasize what you can do. Bring me a guy and tell me what can he do?

Because I'm going to keep him away from what he can't do. That's my job as a coach, is to not put him in a situation where he can't succeed. Okay, you said he's not good. He's not good on, on, um, read option.

Okay. Why would I run his own read? If that's not what he's good at, I'm trying to put my players in a situation where they can succeed. That's what a coach's job is, is to put a guy in a position where he can succeed and get more out of him than the player thought he can get out of himself. Yeah.

It's going to be this. I'm glad that, you know, he's doing a great job, as good a job, but he's not a robot. He sees this thing. I mean, he's on social media. He hears these things. He's not a robot. He has feelings.

He has emotions. And so no matter how much you're like oh no eventually yeah you hear it you're all the negativity that that what they're saying um man it doesn't it doesn't make it any easier now your dad can tell you like hey son this blah blah blah but it doesn't make it easier oh joe i ain't trying to hear that this is supposed to be one of the look if Shador is what we think he is and can become the player

that we think he can all that noise that's all it is it's just noise it should have no impact what somebody says about you and his dad says

what you say about me is not what I think of myself absolutely I just hope I just hope he has the mental fortitude not to let it bother him. The fact that he's already been through it for so long and he has Prime as his father, I don't think it will. Because I know a lot of people, when it comes to the media and the media jumps on you and they talk about you, sometimes it gets to certain people. But I think your story is built different.

Prime has been built different. So I think he has a great understanding to ignore it, to block people. But I think it's built different. Prime has been built different. So I think he has a great understanding to ignore, to block the noise out. And when his time comes in April, wherever he goes,

he shows up and shows the you know what out. I mean, I'm excited for him, man. The Vikings are set to roll with J.J. McCarthy.

Thank you. For Sue Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. The Vikings are set to roll with J.J. McCarthy. Thank you. Not pursue Aaron Rodgers. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for J.J. McCarthy, telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback. The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time. McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1. That's a good thing. That's a good thing.

That's a good thing. And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his pass, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past to hold teams steadily at hostage. Now, some of the reports... He ain't holding them hostage. Move on. They're allowing him.

Just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did the Jets allowed Green Bay allowed it the Jets allowed it just move on and that's that's exactly

what they should do now this is what I like about Minnesota the reports came the reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt

for trading for him and what they did right away it ain't even been two days oh we gonna nix that real quick we don't have time to play them games with you so obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to because now here you go tell the other teams you're not sure on

what you want to do yet having them wait using the leverage that you do have the little bit of leverage you still have to play games i'm glad the minnesota vikings came out and said what they said they're going forward jj mcc McCarthy because you drafted him for a reason. And you understand what he can do, especially with the supporting cast he has around him. Because you saw what Sam Darnold was able to do. He wasn't able to do it with the Jets. He wasn't able to do it with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, he comes to Minnesota and he has a career year.

And now it's time for J.J. McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing. And that's what he's probably going to do. Because what he has around him is very, very special. Yeah, well, you gotta find out if the guy can play or not, Ocho. I mean, you keep kicking the can down the road. Yeah. But listen, even if he

couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Donovan would play either when he was with the Jets. We didn't think he could play when he was with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota. But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season. Because, see, there's this thing called expectations. Yeah.

You tell me, because think about what you just said. You didn't think Sam Darnold was going to do that. Nobody thought Sam Darnold was going to do that until expectations came along. And then expectations came along. Oh, we got to get the number one seed. And then what happened? Oh, we're in the playoffs. Then what happened?

He turned back into Sam Darnold. You see, expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams. Yeah. Because the moment someone expects something of, see, that's the only way you can hurt me, Ocho. If I don't expect anything, if I'm in a relationship, and I'm just casually, I don't expect nothing. Hey, you do you, I'm going to do me.

It's the moment we have expectations in each other. See? That it bothers me, that it hurts me if you do something that I don't agree with. See what I mean? So the Vikings started to have expectations. We started to have expectations for Sam Darnold. And you see what happened? Now, you

was preaching a little too fast. Now, I'm not sure the people in the chat didn't catch that, but that was a moment. That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football, but that's something that could apply to life that I think a lot of people missed, but I didn't miss it because as soon as I heard it, you know, I keep that thing on me.

Yeah, you keep it on you? Expectation. Now, bring that to me again. I got to write it down. Now, when it gets to the end of the year, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take all these quotes that I wrote down. Yeah. And I'm going to make a nightcap booklet called Honk's Quotes. So people can apply it to life. Expectation.

Just get you in the thing. Yeah. It's the number one killer of dreams and goals. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Sam Darnold, nobody because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets. Well, he was terrible with Carolina. Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at San Fran. So everybody was expecting, remember the last two stops that they saw him,

that he wasn't that good. Right. Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations the more you win the more expectations come along with that so now the last couple of games of the season okay we got an opportunity to get the number one seed right boom oh we're the playoffs now don't matter matter, blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. Boom. Yeah. And you know, that playoff atmosphere is different now.

That's a whole different ballgame than playing in the regular season. Regular season, he looked phenomenal. It's a different type of pressure, again, the one word, expectation, that comes with being the quarterback. Especially in that type of situation. So I kind of understand, and the team you are playing or had to play, ugh.

Yeah, but that's what happens when you have expectations, Ocho. Like I said, and I like to equate things to relationships because most of the people, especially in our chat, have been in a relationship. And relate to it, yeah. It's the moment you have expectations. You see, when a couple's in marriage,

there's an expectation. You're going to be faithful, I'm going to be faithful. Oh. I'm going to protect you, you're going to protect me. Come on, man. I'm going to honor the vows

that we stood before God and we swore to each other. Now, I have that expectation. But hey, if you say, hey, what you doing tonight? I ain't gonna be able to see you tonight. And everybody, there's no expectations. I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me.

I'll see you when I see you. Holler when I holler. And you know what I don't like about the analogy and explanation that you're giving right now? If you're a marriage one, normally it doesn't work. But the one where there's no expectation, hell, you'd be friends, you'd be sneaky links, or whatever you want to call it, for years and years and years and years, all the way down the line, because there are no expectations. So there's no failure or reason for anything to ever end. All but here's the sneaky part,

Ocho, where they get you. You see, the number one, the number one cause that will cause a relationship to end is uncommunicated expectations. You see, Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them.

Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? You expected her, she expected you, Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers, and you didn't get them. Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? You expected her. She expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation. Right. You didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation. Uncommunicated expectations. I like that. Ocho thought that, you know what?

Hey, she's going to do this thing for Father's Day. We're going to do it up, blah, blah, blah. She didn't do it. You see, uncommunicated expectations. But again, uncommunicated. But what's the end part expectations i like that i haven't heard i haven't even heard that word before not used not used in this context and actually used together uncommunicated expectations yes

like that that's a that's you see she has an, but she didn't communicate them with you. You have an expectation, but you didn't communicate them with her. So those uncommunicated expectations and what happens, a lot of times people have what we call implosive personalities. They hold things, hold things, hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes. The term, oh, you went postal yeah all right boom and so now instead of just saying well you know chad i thought that we were going to do this right no one month go by two months go by three months go by four months go by and it's building wait you don't know it's not been communicated so go by. And it's building. Wait, what? You don't know. It's not been communicated.

So you don't know. It's building. It's building. It's building. Boom. Then it blows. Yeah. You've been with me all this time.

You should have known. You see? How many times have you heard that old joke? All the time. You know what I like? Yeah, all the time. All the time. Because you've been with someone for a certain amount of time I like. Yeah, all the time. All the time because you've been with him a certain amount

you've been with someone for a certain amount of time and you know women all the time. Oh, I know you real well. I know you real well. I know what you're going to say. You can say something else. Yes. He can finish the sentence for you. But all of a sudden when it comes to certain stuff, oh, you didn't want

to let it go. I didn't know you wanted that. Oh, you can't read my mind i threw you hints i gave you a sign a few i gave you a sign a few weeks ago a sign yeah what yeah yeah in the commercial i mentioned it when it came on tv yeah i missed the sign that god gave me too you should have told say should say I missed the sign that God gave me. I should have left your ass alone about six months ago. I missed that sign. But that's

the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes we take for granted and you've been in a relationship, just tell me. I'm very, I'm one of these guys, Ocho, just tell me. If you want to do something, tell me. I don't have time. I got too much ish on my plate to try to figure out what you want.

You can just open your mouth and say, if you want to go here, say that. If you want to eat that, say that. If you want this, say that. But the guy, me, you know what to talk about. You know what to talk about on them shows what they got to do with this what that got to do with you telling me what you would like to do mm-hmm and so i i think the thing here for the the vikings they have an expectation now they see their offense yeah they realize that hey jetta hey, Jeddah's going to be Jeddah.

Hawkinson's been a Pro Bowl player. Addison, hey, the more opportunities we give him, the better he can be. Yeah. Offensive line, maybe they can add a piece to the offensive line. But other than that. Yeah. I think you, I mean, you draft the kid when you drafted him. And now you keep kicking the can down the road.

And he's like, hold on, what do I got to do? You took me, you told me I was the guy, and now I get hurt. Okay, I get that. I understand that. I got hurt. There's nothing I can do about that, Ocho. But then I come back, and y'all got another guy. You tell me I got to wait another year?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would bother anybody, especially a quarterback. Yes! That drafted where he got drafted, expected to start, but due to injury, he had a small setback. And now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back, not only in playing shape physically and mentally, but now you talk about bringing somebody else in, another veteran presence,

and telling me I got to take a backseat again? Yeah. Wait a minute. What are we talking about here? So I'm happy for him. I'm glad that the organization decided to hurry up and nix the rumors that were out there about Aaron Rodgers coming in

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I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat. I don't need any of that crap. Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. That's simple. That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be a part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin off my back hey uh there are certain teams you look at the logo on the helmet they

don't need no help right they don't need no recruiting pitch the product sells itself again i always use that i use i always use that example of blue magic in the movie american gangster with denzel washington the product sells itself. The Steelers historic franchise, them stars on the side of the helmet. It sells itself. The other franchise things are bigger in Texas. The product sells itself.

You don't need to do anything for it. You don't have to recruit nobody. You have to, you don't have to sell nobody nothing because that're self. That wouldn't be a recruitment, Ocho. That would be begging. And that's what he wants. Thank you. I like that. What did the Jets do? The Jets got on a private plane and flew to him.

Yes, sir. I mean, Ocho, I don't know if you saw this, but I had Young Miami on the podcast. Hey, Unc, I saw you shooting, boy. Let me tell you something. You were shooting 70% from the field that night.

Ain't no 70%. Hey, Unc, don't do that. I see you blushing, baby. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I wasn't shooting. I'm just having a great conversation. That's all. Yeah, you know when you're conversating, that's called shooting.

I depend on what you say. It ain't what you say, it's how you say it. It's all about your delivery, baby. You was on point. You was on point. But let them tell it. I was shooting that Cash doll. I was shooting that Amber Rose.

I was shooting that Young Miami. No, no, no, no, no. I was shooting that Kiki. I was shooting that Wadah. I was shooting that Megan. I was shooting that Wadah. Can I have a conversation? Well, this was a little different now.

You didn't shoot that cash doll. You didn't shoot at nobody else. Now, it's just the conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see. You can't see it because you're actually in the room. See, I'm not in the room with you. Yeah. I can see the heat coming off the couch. You hear me?

I can see the connection in the chemistry. Now, I'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play Twister, that kind of chemistry where they say red and you got to cross over. You hear me?

Yeah. I've seen it. Now, you can't see it. So, it's my... I'm in the room. Listen, I know you're in the room. That's why you can't see it. That's why I'm trying to tell you

what I saw. Huh? Your Wi-Fi was on point. I'm talking about every bar was there. It was there. It was a connection. That was chemistry. You can't see it. So, you do with that what you will and i ain't doing nothing with it i'm not doing anything with it yo we're happy i'm i'm 1000 um

okay um um i i for me right i i couldn't in good conscience right it's almost it would be almost like i'm a therapist and some lady comes and talks about her problems and then I end up sleeping with her. Or if I'm a lawyer and I have a client and I know she's vulnerable. I'm just having a conversation. I mean, I love the fact. Go ahead. Let me see. It's the problem.

It's the problem. This is what happens when it comes to us. When it comes to us, our people, we overthink things. We overthink things and we try to analyze them. And we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did. Now, you just said a scenario. You gave a narrative that fit the way you thought this individual is based on the situation that you created. Now, see, God always has a plan for us, and he puts people in our life in certain situations, and you're missing your blessing.

That could be. Now, young Miami chose to come do Club Shea Shea and sat down. Yes, yes, yes. I'm grateful for every guess. Yeah. Now, listen, that could have been a sign from God. You never know. Now, what I saw when I watched the interview, I said, boy, this is more than just a talk. This is more than just a conversation. Now, I can see the energy. I can see the aura. I can see the chemistry

on camera. Now, you can't see it, and I'm telling you again. Now, listen to me when I talk to you, because I wouldn't tell you, and I wouldn't steal you wrong, because this wheel, the wheel over here, Jesus got this one. Okay? I'm not telling you to make no moves. I'm just telling you

I can see it. Ocho. I know we got people watching. You really don't want to say nothing. No, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching. It's just like you heard what she said. Ocho, guys showing up with Croc Birkins.

Yeah. Hold on. Hold on, man. Now you just talked about I want somebody. You talked about Waze just the other night, man. You talked about Birkins and G-Wagon. Now this is right up your alley. It's about what you were talking about.

Ocho, that's a buildup. She said Birkins now is a starter pack. Right. I'm thinking LB. I'm thinking Gucci, YSL. I'm thinking Dior. Right. She said Birkins.

Croc Birkins. Right. That's a starter pack. Guy buying Jeep. Man, come on, man. Y'all know me. First of all. You say you want him young, huh?

Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal You say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you? Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with when you want him young. Not only that, there's certain other areas, Hunk, you're going to have to update your resume. I'm going to have to go. Let me tell you what I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to start going to church and get

me somebody with a hat. Sitting in the Deaconess corner. I be feeling bad. I ain't got the bread. Like, hey, uh-uh. It ain't me. I tell you what. I tell you what.

I tell you what. Now, if you do me a solid, then you do me a favor. Young Miami, you know, that's my sis now. You know, she from Miami. She from Dade County now. You know, okay. I'm just making sure you know. That's why I'm vouching for her.

That's why I'm vouching for sis. Yeah, no. I look. I know. I just making sure, you know, that's why I'm vouching for, that's why I'm vouching for Citadel. Yeah, no, look. I know, I know, I know you're trying to keep it professional. No, but I like the fact, I like the fact that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation. Right. And we just be talking. I mean, look, I mean, I had a great conversation because, like I said, I had no, I didn't ever think I would even meet any of these people. So, for me, I'm like, like, man, I can't believe you sitting across from me.

That's how I look at them. I don't, like, okay, let me try to throw a question in here and try to get sleek with it. I ain't trying to do that, man. No, you've got to see, you've got to do that. You've got to say the things you're saying right now. I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can't say that you might be thinking see that's what me being your other half is supposed to do i'm supposed to be able to see things that you can't see and then relate what i see that you should do but you don't want to do it because you keep but you're keeping a certain level of professionalism yeah

at all times now let me tell you what i'm gonna do now you talk about you understand the the keeping a certain level of professionalism. Yeah. I got to be professional. That's in your face. At all times. Now, let me tell you what I'm going to do. Now, you talk about, you understand the prerequisites when it comes to dealing with her. Yeah. Now, if you want to lead up with one of them Kroc Berkins,

I've seen your 5,200 to speed up the process. No, send me that because that's what you owe me. Not because that's going to be a dial paper on the damn bag. Send me that because that's what the hell you owe me because that's going to be a dialed paper on the damn bag. Send me that because that's what the hell you owe me. Yeah, y'all hear this man?

This man talking about, oh, if you're going to get a Kronk Berkin, I'll send you $5,200 on it. How you going to send me money? How you going to talk about you going to send me something on it? When you owe me that? Hey, hold on. Let me give you a prime example before we move on to the next topic. Go ahead.

Before we move on to the next topic. Go ahead. Before we move on to the next topic, understand the professionalism in which you carry yourself, the structure and discipline in everything that you do. That's what I love about you. That's why we work so well because I'm the complete opposite. So I'm going to give you a small example. Okay. There was a movie that came out not too long ago. When? Ah, what's the lady's name?

Jennifer Anderson was dating Brad Pitt. They were together. Yeah, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Yeah, Brad Pitt went off to do a movie with Angela. With Angela and Jolie, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, yes. Okay, okay. You see where I'm going with this? So, listen, it don't matter what you got going on in life. Sometimes God puts you in situations, in this case, having to be close,

she would sit down with Brother Shannon Sharp and Carisha in a situation. To me, it was to me from the outside looking in, regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill and carry because you have to. I saw a situation like that. Speaking of Pittsburgh, Nigel Harris said there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers. We just didn't know anything on offense, really. We didn't have any identity. We had a young guy

coming in at QB. I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side. You like that he's saying that, Ocho? I mean, at the running back position and saying that you don't have anybody to learn, you know, at that specific position, I don't really like that. Okay. I personally don't. Because there's so many resources. Once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from,

where it doesn't have to actually be a person right there outside of your head coach teaching you, because there's so much you can learn on your own. They have film. They have votes. They have, man, goo gods of footage and stuff you can learn. Right. You know? Yeah.

And to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that? Look at all the bats that have come through there. Yeah, but they weren't there. The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there. That's the thing that I'm very appreciative of. I had a guy, even though he was a year older than me, Steve Atwater, that had to be professional.

I had Dennis Smith, who had been there since 1981, who said this is how you do things. This is how you be professional. You be punctual. You be on time. You practice hard. I saw John. I saw all those guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things.

Okay, me. Now, Ocho, I got the younger guys coming in. That's my job for Burns, Foots, Rod Smith, the other guys, TD,

Chalk Eye, Howes. Now I go to Baltimore. Now the younger guys, some of the younger guys, the Rays, the thing, Todd Heaps.

Yeah. That's what you do. That's, I think that's what he's talking about. Yeah. I think, I don't want to put words

in his mouth, guys. Right. But I think that's what he's talking about. I don't want to put words in his mouth, guys, but I think that's what he's talking about, like how to be professional, how to make sure I practice doing everything that I possibly can to make sure that I'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very grateful that I got to Denver. I had guys, look, there are guys that wanted to party. I know that's not why I was there. Maybe Ocho, had I been a first or second round pick,

maybe I would have partake. Probably not because that's never been my MO. But knowing that I'm on thin ice and I see Atwater and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things, I say, you know what? Yeah, I need to be in that group. Listen, I understand it and

I truly don't understand where he's coming from in a sense because obviously you understand what it took you to get here, right? This is the core. Najee, you've been dreaming about this since you was a little shorty, since you was a little kid. This was a dream of mine. You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of then you not only that you're part of historic franchise

the pittsburgh steelers i'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when i understand the work it took me to get here i'm already aligned with the end goal. All my goals reset themselves once I make it. I'm not worried about no veteran leadership. I know what I need to do based on the goals that I set for myself personally. It don't matter who's in the room. It don't matter who was there before me. This shit, I need to get done. And I got the focus and everything i do has to align with my

end goal regardless of whether i have a veteran presence or not at my specific position i want to be one of the best to play this game ever you talk about no veteran leadership look at the players that came before you that play the exact position the jerome bettis is the willie parkers i mean i'm sure you're gonna jay yeah, but I need them there, though, Ocho. See, you're talking about a pro. A pro is the occupation in which you do it. That's a professional. A pro

is how you go about that. You see the difference between college and pros, what do they do? They get your ass up, they make sure you go to study hall, they make sure you do X, Y, and Z, they make sure you're in the weight room. Who does that when you go to the hall yeah they make sure you do x y and z they make sure you're in the weight room who does that when you go to the nfl you and i it helps it helps when you see somebody that that's a pro yeah because once you get there we're all professionals but to be a pro it's something to be said for me that's just me now hey to each his own but there's something to

be said for me to have veteran i remember mark jack, Hey, to each his own, but there's something to be said for me to have veteran. I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, Hey, Hey, you know, um, I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah,

blah, blah. X, Y, Z. I said, okay, I appreciate that,

man. He pulled me to the side. Hey, Hey, threaten that guy a little bit more. Hey, uh, you,

you got your head around a little too far. So it's little stuff like that. Oh, Joe, that you, I mean, you stuff that you can't see.. Hey, you got your head around a little too far. It's little stuff like that, Ocho. I mean, stuff that you can't see. Yeah. Because you used to get, hey, Ocho, we used to use God-given ability getting open. It take more than that in the NFL. Yeah.

Because all them jokers got God-given. Hey, God touched all them. Yeah, I got you. I understand it, and I wish I could talk to Najee to get better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it. And maybe wish I could talk to Najee to get better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it. And maybe I'm thinking

a little different because of my approach. I work for veteran leadership. I understood, okay, I finally got here. I know what my goals are. I want to make sure everything I do

are going to align with the angle to make sure I become at some point one of the best to ever play, not just for the Bengals, but to play in the history of this game in general.

I'm going to live my imprint, whether people like me or not. Then I think about also, hell, for the people in the chat, no better leadership. Where did I stay the first two years in the NFL? Where I lived at? I'm locked in.

I don't care who's there. I know what I got to do. I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent. This has a rookie. Yeah. You know what? I might not have better impressions, but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do

to make sure I give them the best of me. Giving you the best of me. You know, as a part of me, I think Nige doesn't feel like the Steelers really appreciated him. Yeah. Because a guy that's just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not going to get the appreciation like

a Saquon, like a Derrick Henry, like these guys rushing for 14, 15 hundred yards. He's never had less than a thousand yards rushing, though, Joe. Uh-huh. But he's not spectacular. You don't look at him like, oh, my God. You don't think that when he gets the ball,

see, at least, like, Saquon gets the ball, you think, man, he might hit his head on the goalpost. Yeah. Or Derrick Henry going to end the game with 150, maybe 200 yards. That's not what you get from him. I thought he was a good back. Yeah. I don't think he changes lives. He's not a guy that's going to change your life.

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Listen to Ali and me now on audible. Oh, Joe, Jamar was not Jamar chase signed his deal. T Higgins signed his deal. They had their press conference. Jamar was not happy with the reporter calling T receiver. Number two, let's take a listen to what he had to say. What are we able to follow down wide receiver one? When you see it put out there, that real high state wide receiver two.

How does that? 1A. You're saying it was put out there, fixing it, 1A. Yes, sir. You know, bro, I don't even look at it like that. You know what I mean? I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like this, because now that's why everybody's hitting the highest pay too. Let's just say I'm at a place where

they value me and they respect me and I'm a good player here. Let's just say that. Not the highest receiver too or anything like that. Let's just say he's another great receiver.

English receiver that puts in the work and got his head down and just grinds. or anything like that. You know what I mean? So let's just say he's another great receiver, English receiver that, you know, that puts in the work and got his head down and just grinds. I mean, I've been saying it for a very long time, huh? I've been saying it for a very, very long time. Every time I talk about the Bengals duo, I say it all the time and I've been saying it for a very long time. You and I even went back and forth about it, you know, continuously on here. I said he's a wide receiver one that just

happened to be on the team with another number one. There are a few instances, a few other teams that also benefit from this situation. I'm not sure what the reporter is doing. And the reporter who understands the game of football and has been able to watch T and Chase together should know that no better, that he's a one. If he were to leave there, he would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is. It just so happens he have Tamar Chase on the other side of him. But anyway.

Well, we look at, we look anyway. Let me ask you a question. Yeah. When Pastor Tain lined up, who's Pastor Tain going to? He going to Chase or he going to T. Higgins? If he's following, he's going to Chase. Okay. Salt Gardner, Stingley. If he's following, he's

going to Chase. So why wouldn't he? I understand what you're saying. That's the thing now, Ocho. There used to be no QB1. It was the starter quarterback. It was no QB. It was no wide receiver one.

It was wide receiver. It was Michael Irvin, Sterling Sharp, Jared Rice, Randy blah, blah, blah, Teo. Now they got all these things, wide receiver, one, one. Hold on, hold on now. Hold on. Ain't no all now. There are only a few teams like that.

The Eagle, that's wide receiver, one A and one B. The Bengals, that's wide receiver, one A and one B. What they did over there with Kuba Kopp and Puka Nakua, that was wide receiver, one A and one B. Now what they will do is they will take some of your production, your opportunities away from you and make it look like there's something wrong with you and make it look like wide receiver 2 when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business

and how they work your ass up out of there. But this is why I look at it though, Joe. Talk to me. Why didn't they give, if Jalen Waddle was the equivalent of Tyreek, why didn't they give him the same type of money that he gave Tyreek? If Devontaedle was the equivalent of Tyreek. Why didn't they give him the same type of money that he gave Tyreek? If Devontae Smith was the equivalent receiver,

so why did they give T. Higgins $40 million? You know you can't work like that, man. Come on. He's wide receiver one. Wide receiver one, get wide receiver one money. Right, yeah. Listen, we can argue to it. But listen, normally,

when we talk about wide receiver one and we talk about wide receiver two, there is an enormous drop-off in skill and talent. Enormous. Now, you got two receivers that get it done two totally different ways.

Are you saying there's no drop-off? Hold on. I want to make sure I'm hearing you. Yeah, there's a drop-off. I said enormous. No, no, no. Extravagant. Extravagant drop off from your one and your two.

There's a reason the person is a one, and there's a reason the other person is a two. Now, let me finish. You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do. High point, short, intermediate, long balls. Now, both of them do all of them really well. I think one of the few things that Chase might have on… Run after the catch.

Yeah, is that goddamn run after the catch. My God. That's also because his background at playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that. Every time he'd get the ball, he looked like a damn running back. He's bouncing off people, playing ping pong.

I mean, listen, you touch me, I'm going down. You touch me, I'm going down. I'm making a business decision. Look, I'm glad he got paid. I think he earned it right. I mean, the way he played, he had been exemplary the whole while there. They made him play under the tag. He played under the tag.

He caught Nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown. He was going to be well over 1,000 yards, and so they compensated him. I love when teams reward their players for work put in. Now, Ocho, I've already paid you for what you've done. Now, for me to give you this money, they're not paying Chase for the Triple Crown because they

paid him that. They're paying him for moving forward. We believe you're going to put up numbers equivalent to that, if not better. I can't pay. I can't. How do I pay you? It wasn't like he didn't get a salary, Ocho, and now we got to make up for what we didn't give him. He got paid.

Right. With that being said, I believe chase. They believe chase is going to put up numbers equivalent to, if not better than what he put up last year. So I'm going to pay you accordingly. Yeah. Yeah.

And, uh, that was good. And he's earned it yeah absolutely he's earned it i'm glad he didn't have to go i'm glad he didn't have to go to get some because so many times we see guys put oh put the work in put the work in and then they got to go somewhere else to get get rewarded get to get the appreciation that i should have got from the club that drafted me. You thought enough of drafting me. You know, that's what I tell people a lot of times, what I love about Dan Reeves. He was smart enough to draft me, but somehow forgot to cut me.

The Bengals, oh, you really loved him. You did your homework. You took him in the second round. But now he give you all those great years, and you're going to let him move on right and you won't let him because he ain't his prime yet so now the next four years is really going to be you know his prime and you're gonna let somebody else reap that benefit because you cheap yeah so i was glad they finally you know you know the funny thing i think a lot of people haven't talked

about they really don't know is the person that's pulling the strings behind closed doors, the person with the power, the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really mad. Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that. We talk about T going here, no matter what I've said, no matter what people on ESPN, no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter. The person behind the closed doors who went up to management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my card track, or what you need to restructure. But Uno and Five?

I need that back. Come hell or high water. If you understand Joe Burrow and how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it, that man Young Bull ain't playing. Not by them two. You know what I love, Ocho?

The fact that he was outspoken about it. A lot of quarterbacks are like, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but that's not my call. Right. He said, no, we need him back. Oh, he's definitely your call. He's like, they've earned a right. And he said the same thing about Trey Hendrickson.

It seems like they're a little bit more open to trading Trey than potentially bringing him back, but that's something we'll discuss at a later date and time. But he came on first take, and he was very, hey, I want them to pay Chase. Chase has earned that. I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do.

And I want him back. None of that, hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but you know, I don't make that decision. I'm just a quarterback. No. No. And so I love that part about him. Oh, Joe, a key factor in the Jamar Chase-Tee Higgins negotiation

with Joe Burrow's influence. Beyond the public comments, Burrow applied private pressure, making it clear deals must get done for both. If since it failed, it could have gotten very, very interesting. Yeah, listen. Listen,

I'm glad that we just brought that up and I just said it ahead of time. Obviously, I wouldn't have said it when all this stuff was going on,

but if you understand, I've watched Joe now for a few years. I've seen him up in person. I've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and goes on about his business and his approach to the game and how serious he takes it. In order to continue playing at an elite level,

you have to have elite talent around you. And you understand that, especially offensively. In order to keep that going and continue to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go, we already know what the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a Sunday. In order to get there, especially San Francisco, I need my two. I need my uno. I need my five.

I don't know what we need to do. I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen. Yeah. That's it. I think sometimes that quarterbacks be like, I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff i ain't got nothing to do with me and they take that's a cop out on joe yeah it's a cop out to say well i don't get to make that decision yeah i've heard i've heard that before and you you hear that a lot i mean you know joe making 55 million like y'all feeling for yourself but he knows a part

of him getting that 55 million was was was one in five it is you said it right there now you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in they can't do it one in five you don't understand he understand you're gonna be upset i mean he's gonna be mad i mean he's pretty much been throwing a a chase for what five years? Had him in college a year? Missed him and then picked him right back up. Back up, yeah. So with that being said, I'm glad these guys got it done. Congratulations, guys.

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