Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Suns fire last 2 coaches & Coach Prime wants a cap on NIL!

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson & Joe Johnson react to the Suns firing their last 2 coaches, Coach Prime wants to put a cap on the NIL & much more!04:50 - Suns Fire Last Two Coaches08:40 - Coach Prime Wants NIL Salary Cap21:20 - Zootopia 2 has better odds to win Oscar than Cowboys winning SB22:40 - Q & Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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2026 campaign. If you're Matt Ishpia, where are you going and what are you looking for in a head coach, Joe? You're looking for somebody who the players are going to respect and buy into the system.

That's why I tell you, I don't know what they're looking to spend on a coach, but go young, give a coach some, give him some leniency as far as wins because, I mean,

it ain't worked out in the past three coaches, man. You know, you're going to have to probably go through a little heartbreak, you know, a little low as far as wins, but you might as well do it with some young guys. You got guys, you got four years,

you're playing $80 million to coaches that's not coaching over the next four years. Hey, what Phil Jackson at? He hurt. Phil ain't coming out. Phil ain't want to coach. Can he still move?

Phil was like, if I can't have Kobe and Shaq and Jordan and Pippen, I ain't coaching. I'm done. I ain't finna mess up my playoff, my playoff record and my championship game record. That ain't finna mess with my playoff my playoff record and my championship game record that ain't finna happen

nah but you gotta get somebody in there man who them players gonna respect and buy in I'm telling you you know somebody who gonna really come in and lay down what's supposed to be done cause if the players don't respect you like y'all see they ain't gonna play hard for you.

Yeah. They be at their bulls, man. What? I mean, Sam Cassell is a player. He's been an assistant coach for two decades. Mm-hmm. You can get Sam. Hey, look, Sam will probably be a good candidate for that job you look at

because it kind of reminds me of the Johnson-Billip thing. Once he got there, you know, Dame was still there. But they built Trey and Dame off and just kind of starting over. And there ain't no pressure on Chelsea, you know, right now. He got some effort. They got Scoot Henderson. They got Shane Sharp. Yeah.

Clinging. Yeah. They got some young guys who can go. He got to develop them guys. And hopefully they mature into, you know, some pretty good pros. Question is, what are they going to do with Jeremy Grant? I don't know if he's on the last year of his contract or if he has another year

they're going to move on from him. But like you said, they got some young talent. And they just extended a chance. Who knows? Nash was a staple in Phoenix. Mark Jackson? Man, I don't know why they just

won't give jack jack an opportunity but hey yeah i don't understand that neither maybe he did something wrong and word got out and they won't give him another opportunity i don't know i had him on my pod he said he don't know what he did. Nobody seems to know, but all I know is that there have been a lot of coaches that had worse records than what he's had, that's been given opportunities to resurface, but for whatever reason, it hadn't happened for him. Coach Brian, well, NIL salary cap in college football. There should be some kind of cap.

Our game should emulate an NFLfl game in every aspect rules regulations whatever the rules whatever whatever the nfl rules the college rules should be the same there should be a cap and every team gets this and should be able to spend that oh joe joe should there be an nl in nil salary cap in college football. I don't like it. I don't like it. I want the players to get as much as they can off their likeness. Because is there a salary cap when it comes to coaches going from college to college or school to school?

Do they put a salary cap on the coaches? Being able to get as much money as they want? Absolutely not. So don't do it to the players either. Don't do it to the players.. Don't do it to the players. They make these colleges, these universities, and these entities

make billions and B-word, not millions, billions every year collectively of players' likeness. Allow them to get a piece of the pie

for the change. Allow them to get a piece of the pie for the change. And it's going to be like this for a very long time. Obviously, we know the landscape of NCAA has changed. You got to pay

to play, whether it be basketball or whether it be football. You want to win? You got to pay to play. You want to get the best players? You got to pay to get them to come to your school. That's a part of the game. That's what the game is right now. But don't put a salary cap on it. No, don't. Because they don't don't put a salary cap on it no don't

because they don't do it for the coaches and they pick up and go whenever they want to when there's a better opportunity what you want joe what you thinking joe uh i wouldn't say salary cap but i do i do want to see all the player athletes get compensated to some degree even let's say even if you ain't a guy who playing major minutes like i think it's enough to go around i mean these dudes they are professional athletes now you know we can't yes it's not just a collegiate athlete like you're a professional so you got to carry yourself that way and i just feel like if you got one dude making seven million another dude making two and a half three million i think you can stretch it out to where everybody on the team is making a little

sum. Man, I just saw in basketball, I think 50% of the players in college basketball entered the portal. Yeah. 50%, Joe. Oh, Joe. Think about that.

50% of the college basketball player are in the portal. No loyalty. Hey, them young boys getting to that mind yarn. They getting to the mind yarn. They ain't studying all that. What kind of system you running? I'm not studying that.

Hey, what y'all paying me, man? What y'all paying me? And Joe, you can't coach kids like we used to get coached. You can't yell at a kid. You got kids coming in now. How much money you got and how much time I'm going to play? Yeah. You ain't talking right.

I got to go. Yeah. Think about it. That's where we are now, Ocho. And I get it to a certain extent. That's all we knew. So the yelling and screaming and the cussing and the grabbing the face mask or whatever the case may be. I love it. That's all we knew. So the yelling and screaming and the cussing and the grabbing the face mask or whatever the case may be, that's all we knew.

But in today's time, these kids there's been a slow evolution where coaches have had to get away from that. Coaches have gotten fired for cursing and saying things and doing things. I don't even know if they have Oklahoma anymore, Ocho. I don't know if they have

Bull in the Ring no more. They have to. No, they don't even know if they have Oklahoma anymore, Ocho. I don't know if they have Bull in the Ring no more. They have to. No, they don't. I mean, we go sometimes, we go practicing. We go down to the home and practice with no water, Ocho. Make a mistake. Nah, you ain't getting no water. Pour that water out.

Yeah, see? See, that's why sometimes kids today, they get a little soft now. We started Bull in the Ring. We started Oklahoma Drill. I'm talking about I was five years old. Yeah, oh, for sure. I was five years old. I'll never forget, 1988.

I'll tell you, 1988, Miami Lakes to Athens. I can tell you who my coach was. Coach Bud, rest in peace. What we doing? I'm five years old. We doing Oklahoma Drill and Bull in the Ring, five years old with pads on. That builds character. Yes, that builds character. Yes.

It builds something. That's why out of Florida, that's why we all the way we are out of Florida. It builds character. Hey, look. I'm playing for the bell, a.k.a. Nolan Richardson. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah.

40 minutes ahead. Hey, Uncle Ocho, you calling to practice? It may not even touch up the basketball today. You just might put an hour up there on the clock, and you just run around the whole court, Indian run, for 60 minutes straight. Huh? Yeah, one day you're going to be in some shape, brother.

You're going to be in some shape. 60 minutes or 60 seconds? Indian run. Hey, look, you know if you're in the back with the medicine ball you gotta run a whole circle and come back to the front line then another yeah

oh yeah oh yeah yeah hey 60 straight minutes non-stop until we get into them legs because his favorite quote was the fatigue makes cowards of us all

that it does and now hey look look once you get tired now we wanna see if you can play basketball. Because they going, wow, hey, hey, you got guys going to be looking like Ocho

out there in that celebrity game playing against T-Mac. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, hold on. Hold on. You telling me how I look when my legs were already gone after I had already dropped 22 in a celebrity game. Okay, well, I ain't see that. I ain't see that.

I'm just telling you what I see. Well, watch the whole footage. They just showed the part where we almost fought, and I almost beat his ass. Yeah, you ain't see that. That's what you almost saw. I didn't see that. I ain't see that part.

Yeah, I'm just telling you. I'm telling you, T-Mac, that's my dog. You know, I respect him as a player, but NBA players cannot deal with true athletes outside of a structured environment five on five and running plays and setting picks you can't play somebody like me

and think you're going to succeed that's why I try to keep telling you and you don't seem to understand alright alright we're going to go back hey but uh hey back to college playing for Nolan Richardson, hey,

listen, we probably would have had a few guys in the portal too if you could jump in the portal. Hey, it was tough down there.

You can't coach them guys like that no more. Hey, look, no, you can't. You can't.

You can't be tough. Guys are, you know, you can't yell, you can't. And the thing is, because we stayed outside, when we were thing is, because we stayed outside. When we were younger on show, we stayed outside.

So when it came time to practice, I don't remember anybody. I don't remember really anybody fainting or dying or passing out or something like that. Like you see these kids now. They do these hard drills and they, you know, they fall out. Yeah. Yeah. We didn't have that because we was outside. We was playing basketball

playing football we was working outside it wasn't no we have playstation we have side to side and then all of a sudden yeah you go out to 100 degrees and try to run and do all that other stuff yeah something bad gonna happen yeah hey listen that's everybody wanted they want to do all this all this healthy eating and they pegatarian and and and and vaginasaurus and all this other stuff that don't make no sense they they listen to science they listen to analytics we ain't had none of that oh no when we were when it was summertime you hear me oh when it was summertime joe we wanted to come in the house no if you thirsty drink for the water hose on the side of the house

you had to turn it on you had to turn it on and wait for the water getting cold because it came out hot as hell yeah that's why we that's why we didn't get hurt that's why we didn't get sick today oh i got a paper cut i gotta go to the doctor what hey listen yeah they don't they see we didn't have a distraction that they have in today's world they don't we didn't have no social media ocho we. We really didn't have no video games. You had to go to the arcade. You know, back then, Ocho, you had to go to the arcade. Oh, you had an arcade.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You really had no, there was a very select, I mean, we used to have like Game Boy. We had some, you know, a couple of handheld games. But it wasn't nothing like what these kids got now. These kids now, that's why I say when you find a kid now they're focused well you got something yeah oh yeah because there's so many distractions you got mad and you got nba 2k and you got call of duty and fortnite and this and that and minecraft and you got so social media you got

tick tock and and whatever the case may be uh Snapchat or all that other stuff. Whatever you got going on, there's so much going on now. Right. And it seems like as each generation, the attention span and the focus get less and less. Less and less.

Very small. Less and less. It's hard. You got to get kids at 10 minutes. Kids can't listen longer than 10 minutes. That's why, okay, go take a break. What? It's different now.

So I tell my hat to kids that come up in this environment now and they focus and they know what they want. Well, I want to be this. I want to be a... And I'm not just talking about a professional athlete. I'm talking about I want to be a doctor and they take the steps to do that. I want to be this or I want to be that.

It tells me a lot, because we didn't have the distractions that they got, not you. No, we didn't. We didn't. It's hurting a lot of guys now, because see, they can sit around on them video games, on them PCs and the Xbox and PlayStation. That's six to twelve hours can go

by quick. Quick. Very. And the thing about Joe, you can make money doing it now, Joe. Kid like to say, hey, I want to be a streamer. What? I want to stream. You can make money.

You look at a Casanet, or you look at Speed, or you look at some of these guys, man, they're making millions and millions of dollars. Yeah. Man, look, even if you could have made money back then, my grandma Mary Porter would say, uh-uh, get your ass out of this house.

You're going to hit the fields. Tell her. And first of all, the TV got to work for you to play video games, and our TV wasn't working at the time. The funny thing about it, too, even in today's era, with players more focused on building a brand because of social media instead of working on your craft you know working your craft and handing your business in between the lines and handing your business on the hardwood the brand gonna take care of itself

yes because you handle your business where it matters most now you got dude you got some you got some players regardless of social media regardless of game and regardless of all the distractions they show up and you can tell they put in the work, especially in college. You know, your Travis Hunters. Yes. You know, your Jeremiah Smiths. You know, there's your Shador Sanders, your Cam Ward. There's some other, your Abdul Carters. You know, the other players that have been able to

succeed that are newly in the league. You know, your Justin Jeffersons, your Chases. So, players are dudes like that that have a singular focus, despite all the distractions going on around them, to still be locked in on what the end goal is and keeping the main thing the main thing. Yep. Well, I commend them. I commend them.

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Huh? Never? Oh, no. It's never. You're talking about the 98 years. they've been doing this oh joe right never i guess they said the cowboys never gonna win the super bowl not this year oh man that wasn't if they get if they if they go up and get eston genti at six they got a good chance man you know jerry jones ain't finna give up that draft capital, what it takes to zoom up that draft board to get it.

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it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. Mr. International said, guys, NIL made college sports more entertaining. Agree or disagree? I like that. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it a lot.

And I like it a lot because we've heard so many horror stories back in the days when there was no NIL money, when players get in trouble, can't eat, can't pay for certain things. So they had to do whatever they needed to do to make ends meet. The fact that NIL is helping players early, being able to take care of their families before they make it to the next level, or some players that might not even ever make it to the nfl they're still getting conversation for their likeness because sometimes college might be your last stop yeah yeah you know for the most most athletes in college is the last stop i mean yeah yeah so so those who have a chance to make a little piece of change man do what you got to do man and make the most of it yeah max sometimes it's like a credit it's like a prepaid credit card, Joe. You got a limit on it. Sometimes the limit is college. Sometimes the limit is high school. Sometimes the limit is JV. Hey,

when you know that, when you know that, especially in college, you get to get as much as you can. Yeah. Opportunity. Hey, I'm starting to break it down.

Tape. Do I go into coaching break it down tape. Do I go in to coach it? Right. Right, because anybody ain't going to make it to the professional, the NBA to a professional in your said sport, be it football, basketball, baseball, track and field, tennis, hockey, whatever the case may be. Everybody isn't going pro. I know you think you are, but not everybody can.

There are a million kids that's going to graduate. Ain't no million kids going to college. And ain't no million kids going to the NFL. Yeah. It's a small percentage. I mean, think about it. It's only been 25, 26,000 men that ever play in the NFL. Coach, play, GM, and the NFL history.

Yeah. That's a long way from a million, don't you? Yeah. Hey, hey. Not even 100,000. Hey, listen. I think the NIL has made college fun to watch again, though. Yeah.

Made it more exciting. Obviously, we see the money that these guys are getting. And it's a lot more it's a lot more on them uh i think uh you know it's been fun to watch man but they do got to get a hold of this uh they got to get a hold of this because i see it getting worse i don't think before it gets better oh yeah yeah yeah for sure for sure yeah it's gonna get worse for you get better i mean you also you know hey go ahead don't you now i want to say also the kid need to understand too If you really like that

If you really him You know all this bouncing from school to school to school to school If you really like that Or the way you may think you are You'll get the money wherever you go You know that huh? For sure You'll get the money wherever you go

So think you're going to get more going somewhere else When you really not They really don't value you like that Maybe you think you're not the person you are money wherever you go. So thinking you're going to get more going somewhere else when you really not, they really don't value like that. Maybe you think you're not the person you are or wherever you are. You're not, you're not as good as you think you are is what I'm trying to say. So I think the kids are going to run into that problem as well. Joe thinking that they're,

they're, they're so good that they can go somewhere else and get more money. I think that's going to be another issue they're going to run into. Like, uh, it's going to be a wake up call. You good, but you really not like that, or they would

have paid you. They wouldn't have had no problem paying you. You would have got it the first time. Oh, you... Go ahead, Joe. I think the smaller schools, Ocho, 5-5s, 5-5s going to go down there, going to go to them smaller schools. It starts taking the kids.

Three years already, he got experience in college. You know what it takes to go to them smaller schools. And start taking the kids? Yep, three years already. He got experience in college. He know what it takes to be a collegiate athlete. They want that. They want that now. They no longer want

these freshmen coming straight out of high school. They want guys in high school because, listen, this is a professional now that we're in

and these guys are getting paid. So, look, we ain't just out here rolling the ball, let you go out here and just do what you want to get better now. We're bringing in guys that we think are going to help us win right now. Okay, I got you.

OUSS2004, Uncle Ocho, not that Deion is struggling to pay for his kids' college, but do you find it odd that the second his kids aren't in college anymore, he wants a cap on NIL? Just seems like convenient timing. I don't think the question had been raised before, or this is the first time they asked him. I think if you asked him while his kids were playing,

he might have said the same thing. I think it's that with anything now you have to you need a governing body and right now there is no governing body with this nil right so it's just kind of like the wild wild west don't you yeah so what is it that okay you sign a two year deal, you get to break the contract. If you don't get there, if the school can't break it, you can't break it. Right.

I think that's the, I guess I think, I think the guy at Tennessee, I don't know what he was thinking because he's going to get 2.4. He goes and gets 1.7, 1.8. He goes to California. That's all.

That's half of that's going to go in taxes. I don't think Tennessee, Tennessee doesn't have state income tax, Ocho. Did he get more at UCLA or less? And he got to pay more taxes. So it made no sense. You see what I mean? And there's a small example right there.

Thinking you better, thinking you better than what you really are and you're going to go somewhere else and get more money and now you got less yep like if you if you was him if you was like that and i mean no disrespect i'm just talking about from a financial standpoint and want more money if you really like that they wouldn't hesitate you they wouldn't hesitate to pay you more true if you were that much of a difference maker oh you want what actually what to me you want to go from 2.7 to four? Oh, no problem.

Mm-hmm. No problem. That's right. If they really value you like that on the field. Listen, overestimating the value. And that's no disrespect to him. I'm just using that as an example. And Mr. International.

Go ahead. Go ahead. Would you say something, Joe? Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Would you say something, Joe? Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. Mr. International, being a pro athlete isn't as popular today

as it was back in the 1970s. Actually, I think it's more popular. You see the money they get paid? Who said that? Mr. International. Mr. National,

come on now. Come on now. Shoot. I'm kidding. I can now. Come on now. Shoot. I'm G. I can't even pronounce his name. It's N-I-K-A-R-A-X-H-I. I don't know what that means, bro. But anyway, for both, if you had to pick out a quarterback from this pool,

who's most likely to leave ringless and Ocho pay the man his money? So I guess he's saying out of Cam Ward, Shador, Jackson, Dar, Sloan. Is that what he's talking about? Yeah. Okay. Are we supposed to predict the future on them or who's going to win the ring? He says, who's most likely to leave ringless? Man.

It could be all of them. Look at the situation they're going into. Yeah. You're going to bad teams. Very bad teams. Kemper Norwood Jr. I'm taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six. Are you?

Damn. So you got, I don't know about that one, Kemper. He said he's taking the Nuggets over the Clippers in six games. Oh, no. I think if the Nuggets going to win, in six games. Oh, no. I think if the Nuggets gonna win, they gonna win this themselves, Joe. I don't got the Clippers

squandering this away, man. I got T. Luke keeping them boys ready, understanding the moment. You know, we're going back home. You can't have a letdown at home. The only teams had that when you came off, you know, two emotional high games playing in Denver. You know, it's tough. When you get home, you have a letdown at home. The only teams had it when you came off, you know, two emotional high games

playing in Denver. You know, it's tough. When you get home, you have a tendency to kind of relax. So, I'm sure T. Luke

going to have them dudes ready. I don't see them. I don't see them. You don't see them having a letdown. Nah, because they got to

understand the moment right now. They did what they correct. So, take advantage of this. Don't come out playing with them

boys in game three. Keep playing hard, working. I don't know if Kawhi going to give you 39 every night, but him and James being consistent the way they do, hopefully one of them explode. Or you have those other guys play well and win you a game in this series. But I like the Clippers, man. I like everything they do from the guys who they play,

the life-size matchups that they have, and the problems they're trying to give Denver. If Denver don't step up and come in there and play with some resiliency in L.A., it's going to be a short series, man. Wow. Yeah. Quentin Mobley, I told Joe, how was it playing with Al Horford in Atlanta?

How do you feel seeing your boy win that ring last year? Are you surprised he's still playing? No, I'm not surprised he's still playing. I'm happy for Al, man. You know, when we got Al when I was here in Atlanta, it was his rookie year. It was my third year here. This is our first time making the playoffs. Me, Al, Josh Smith, Mike Bibby, Jeff T.

We played against that Boston team. We was an A seed playing against a 1 seed. And Boston went on to win the NBA championship their year in like six games. Us, the Atlanta Hawks and the Cleveland Cavaliers were the only team who took them seven games.

Wow, yeah. Okay, playoffs. So we was a young team. I was a rookie playing against Kevin Garnett. I'm talking about playing his butt off. So to see him playing now, playing at a high level, man, I'd love to see it. Man, he take care of his body. He look good out there.

Yeah. Yeah. Real Carter Ocho, have you been to the Miami game yet? Yeah, of course. Of course. I've been in the Miami game. Watched Messi. I messy i mean obviously you probably haven't seen footage with messy and beckham and and george who's also who's the who's the owner

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