Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: TJ and Deebo react to the P Diddy case coming to a close and a verdict on the horizon!

Episode Date: June 26, 2025

TJ Houshmandzadeh & James Harrison react to the P Diddy case coming to a close and verdict being announced soon, Ketel Marte breaking down crying on the field the other day, and Dan Campbell used ...to start fights and much more!01:47 - Ketel marte 04:48 - Diddy Case33:37 - Dan Campbell(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:01:14 Buy Runs in the Family wherever books are sold. The Volume. We're gonna go, I want to talk about this and then we're gonna get off of sports and we're gonna go into something else. You watch baseball? Nah man, I ain't gonna lie to you. I tried to, but I just, I can't. Hey, well I'ma break this down for you. And this is actually like, I can't believe another human being would do this.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Cause I'm a compassionate, but I treat people how they treat me. You treat me great, I'ma treat you great. You treat me bad, I'ma treat you worse. But to tell Marte, he plays for the Arizona Dynamics, right? So during the game, the game is going. I believe he's on deck. He just breaks down and starts crying. And nobody knows what's going on.
Starting point is 00:02:18 They're like, what happened? I guess while he was on deck, a fan in the stands that was close enough for him to hear made a comment regarding his mother. His mother passed away in 2017 in a car accident, and I think he was making fun of him about his mother passing away, and it just got to him and he broke down to tears. You jumping in the crowd? No. You jumping in the stands? No. years. You jumping in the crowd? No, you jumping in the stands? No. No, I'm not jumping in the stands. I mean, I've had, you know, my dad passed away in 2016 and you know, you
Starting point is 00:02:54 have people that may say something on, you know, Instagram DM you something, especially once I left the Steelers, you know, crazy stuff. And it's not, it's not something that I'm gonna jump to the stands with, but if it's somebody there that's in person, I think that's something that you should have pointed out, let them know it needed to be repercussions and consequences for fans that step too far, you know, you suck and all that other stuff. Yeah, that's part of the game. You know, that's, that's fans hackling you and all that.
Starting point is 00:03:19 You get into personal things like that and you're talking about the loss in life of a loved one. Now you don't, you don't step over the boundary. Like that person needed to be pointed out and banned from the stadium for life. I believe that did happen. They pointed out the fan. It was a terrible moment. Fans are nasty and fans go too far sometimes.
Starting point is 00:03:42 And, um, I love my players and I'm gonna protect them. At the end of the day, we're human beings and we have emotions and I saw them hurting and I wanted to protect them. You told us what you told them. I love you and I'm with you and we're all together and you're not alone. And no matter what happens,
Starting point is 00:04:04 no matter what was said or what you heard, that guy's an idiot. Yeah, so I agree with him. The fan is Ben Bandon, definitely. I don't know what's permanent. And if you're just tuning in, that's James Harrison. I'm TJ Uchimzadeh. Night number two on Takeover Week.
Starting point is 00:04:22 Uncle Nocho, you know, taking a little break. Taking a little break. Now we gonna transition away from this football. We gonna get into the entertainment world, man. And I don't, okay. I don't know if they've discussed this on here. I'm not sure, but we gonna discuss it. We gonna talk about it.
Starting point is 00:04:43 We gonna talk about Diddy case, prosecution, they've rested their case, the defense, and I wouldn't say I've kept up with it, but I've been paying attention to it. I read a lot each and every day about what's going on in the world, and that's part of it. Prosecution arrest case, defense didn't call anybody
Starting point is 00:05:07 so they rest their case. Day off today, closing arguments tomorrow, they assume the case will be given to the jury tomorrow. But in the meantime, today, did these key charges such as kidnapping, abating sex trafficking, attempted arson, they all been dropped by the prosecution. He still faces racketeering and other charges but those three charges that were dropped were key in bringing the case being filed against him and so you gonna give your thoughts, I'm gonna give my thoughts organically.
Starting point is 00:05:47 We don't wanna offend anybody. I'm a man that has obviously a wife and three daughters. I'll preface that before you go. I think they go try and put the man under the jail. Me personally, that's what I think. Do he deserve to be under the jail? me personally, that's what I think. Do he deserve to be under the jail? He should be in it for sure, but I don't know about under. Man, he done did some wicked stuff, man.
Starting point is 00:06:14 He taking stuff from men and women and everything. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's wild, bro. I, you know, I couldn't, I can't rhyme with reason, you know, his thought process or whatever. You know, I have friends that are like, yo, he, you know, he go get off. And then I'm like, dude, if you think he go get off,
Starting point is 00:06:36 he's, I just don't see him getting off well. You know, they go and say, well, you know, she did this, she did that, that, that, that, you know, she did it willingly. I'm like, dude, you know, she did this, she did that, da, da, da, da, you know, she did it willingly. I'm like, dude, it's a big difference between doing something willingly and being raised and molded to believe that this is what it is. You've got a young mind there. You know, that's like, if I take my kids, man, and I mold them and I make them
Starting point is 00:07:00 believe that it's okay to be, you know, a person that just doesn't care about anybody. You do what you want to do to help what everybody else says. That's something that they're going to, you know, come up and believe and understand that that's just how the world works because I've had them in my, you know, I've had them in my raps and that's what I've taught and made them believe is the natural order of how this world works. So with everything they're saying and how she may have did this without him having to do that, I mean, if you want to, your kids, whether it's something good or bad, if they
Starting point is 00:07:41 want to please you, they're going to do the thing that you feel, they feel makes you happy, you know? And whether that is something that's outlandish as this, when you get them young and you get them to believe that this is the natural order of things, that's something you could do. So, well, he didn't do nothing illegal. I mean, it's not really illegal, but I mean, that's brainwashing, you know?
Starting point is 00:08:02 That's what people doing cults. And you have guys that go and lead a whole group of people, 2, 300 people, and make them believe that now he is the Savior, he's the Messiah. And you know what? We're going to all drink this poison, and we're all going to go die, and he's going to bring us back, and we're going to go to heaven.
Starting point is 00:08:19 So, you know, it's a lot to unfold there, especially when you're able to, you know, put that person in that cocoon and mold them and make them believe what it is. And they don't have no outside force and it's telling them different. Now, all right, let's unpack what you just said. The molding part of it, she was an adult technically
Starting point is 00:08:44 when she started messing with him. Are her parents culpable also because you knew what your daughter was with him? Okay, so now you say she's an adult. True statement. So now she's an adult. What can her parents tell her because she's an adult? And then at the same time you say because she's an adult. Nobody is mature enough. Dude, I'm a different person at 30 than I was at
Starting point is 00:09:07 40. I'm a different person at 47 than I was at 40. And my understanding is my beliefs, what I'm learning, especially since I was baptized and I accepted my Lord and Savior in August of last year. Just over the course of the last two years, building my relationship with God and, you know, talking and praying and having a relationship where my whole thought process has changed, my attitude has changed, my empathy, my sympathy, my understanding for other people's situations has totally changed. You know, where before, you know, when I was playing, dude, I could empathize and sympathize with nobody. I couldn't feel it like, oh, this happened or that happening Okay, so it's me, but it couldn't could it be
Starting point is 00:09:50 He's just not a good person He's not a good person. He's done some terrible things to others specifically the women in his life But is he guilty of a crime is he guilty of something that can land him behind bars for multiple years? Or is just, he's just not a good dude? Well, I mean, you got him on tape. I mean, driving her down and bombing on her.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Come on, man. Like, that's right there. And on top of it, they tried to hide it. I mean, once that came out, it was sort of, you know, and on top of it, when it came out, he immediately goes within a few days and settles out. Like, I'm gonna tell you right now, if I didn't do it and I know I didn't do it,
Starting point is 00:10:42 I'm going to go broke before I admit to anything. I will be broke, dusting, too, living on the streets before I pay a penny to you for something that I. Oh, he knows, he knows what he did. He knew what he was doing. He didn't want any of that to come out because of his image. He didn't want any of that to come out because of his image. He didn't want that to come out to the public that we have in
Starting point is 00:11:09 freak offs and I'm watching my lady get power drive by this dude and then by that dude and I'm watching and he don't want that to get out. That's why you settle and again, I got three daughters. My kids thank the Lord and hopefully it stays it. We ain't making those type decisions because I would hope they were raised the correct way. I don't care how much money you have.
Starting point is 00:11:42 I don't care what you're doing. That's not gonna move them, because they've been raised that if a man is doing, how he treats you first and foremost, that's the most important thing, how he treats you as a person, not what he's doing for you as a person. And so I just feel like this is gonna be real interesting
Starting point is 00:12:05 when we get this verdict, which will probably be early next week just to see where they go with this, because I think he's a terrible person when you do all the things that he's done, especially we see the video. Like I just put myself like, bro, what if that was my daughter did? I damn near got to possibly lose my life because I got to go do something about that. Like I'm doing something about that. Like you won't have to see.
Starting point is 00:12:30 I understand what you're saying, but again, as you said, she's in the dark. Now she's making her own decisions. ["Dark Side of You"] Because when I say make your own decisions is this, when you willingly are texting the guy that is coming to see you, you say that's coercion, she's been manipulated, she's been molded into that. But then you're also, you get away from Did dating for a couple weeks because you date this guy,
Starting point is 00:13:05 you date this professional athlete. So it's not like you are under his wing, you're in his presence at all times. You have opportunity to leave because you're dating other people. You're doing other things, but you continue to come back. Money. I mean, some people are controlled by money. You know, they let money, you know, the money is ruled already, but that's like, um, and, you know, I guess her need, desire for money, fame, whatever that may be, was one of the things that may have added to the coercion of,
Starting point is 00:13:35 you know, her being susceptible to, you know, coming back. Um, you know, is she gonna, I mean, you know, it's like, are you gonna, is she gonna be able to live the same sort of lifestyle, you know, is she gonna be able to be? I believe that to me. It's a lot, it's a lot of things there, man. If. I'm just happy God never gave me a daughter, you know, he knew that I couldn't handle it,
Starting point is 00:13:56 I couldn't take it. So. He gave me three of them. And I love it, like, when you had that first baby, you were like, yes,, don't be a boy It's a huh, huh, it's a girl. Okay, cool cool cool the next one coming for sure. It's gonna be a boy. It's a huh You don't know what you gave up after the third one. Oh No, it's not a good boy Hey crew. Are you got it? Come here?
Starting point is 00:14:22 Hey, you got it. Come here. Then I got girl, girl, girl. And so my wife go to the doctor and she I didn't go like when you figure out what the sex is. And then she was like, you want to know? So this is my son right here. What up? And so he got a good size too. Okay.
Starting point is 00:14:43 He let years old. He about five, seven size sized too. Okay. He a left years old. He about five, seven size 11 shoe. Okay. I don't know. It'll be short like he done. I'm taller than you. I know I'm playing with you.
Starting point is 00:14:55 And so they go to the doctor, right? And she comes home, cause I did not go. I was like, I already know it's going to be another girl. I already know, I don't care. It is what it is. I'm cool with it now. I've come to accept. I'm not gonna have a son. And so Every day she asked him and I think about a week later. They end up saying, you know, it's a boy I'm like, oh, you're just gonna tell me this knowing it's a girl and so They kept me like no, it's really a boy. Like I was like, man
Starting point is 00:15:24 really excited about that. Like happy about it. And picking out like, picking out the name and just like, wow, I finally got a son. Right. Having those daughters, at least for me, I'm a good dude, I'm not, but I'm real, I'm real temperamental.
Starting point is 00:15:43 You know, I got, I had, and I still do at times, bad temper. And have daughters, they calm you down. You can't be like that. It's the kids. You can't be like that with little girls. It's the kids that calm me down. Believe me. It, it.
Starting point is 00:15:56 Well, I learned. Girls, that's all I had. Yeah. I've learned and built a whole lot of patience through being with my kids and understanding that, you know, everything, you can't go off at the wire. You can't be a, you know, you can't be a tyrant, you know, with the, don't. Tyrant, yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:16:14 I'm consistent with my discipline. If you do A, then B is going to happen. I don't let A happen and then it happens again and again and again. And now. And you you be looking at them I was talking about earlier like you about to go crazy. I don't do that. So I don't let myself get Kids I Give discipline me like you just I need to see the face No, I don't need to get angry I'm like yo don't do that
Starting point is 00:16:44 If they do it again, then I'll spank them. Like, you know, when they were younger, I'm past that now, you know, you take away things. So if you do something, I'll spank you. And to be honest with you, man, I made them believe that I enjoyed it, but it hurt me to my soul with my kids, man. I'm not doing a lie to you.
Starting point is 00:17:03 I didn't enjoy it. I didn't like it, but I wanted them to believe that I did. So that it's like, you know what? If dad say do something or don't do something, I'm gonna do it or don't do it. Because I was always told that delayed obedience is disobedience.
Starting point is 00:17:17 Well, I tell you to do something now, I want it done now. I don't want to come 30 minutes later and it's not done. That's a problem. So you have to be disciplined for that. And I'm not angry, I'm not mad about it. Where you get parents who are telling their kid, you know, five, six, seven, eight times, now they're mad and they want to hit him. No. Don't fucking touch him now. Because you mad and you want to hit him. You want to
Starting point is 00:17:43 discipline him. You tell him to do something once he doesn't do it then you pop me you do that you're consistent with it do it's easy you know thing must think my son has ever been spanked now that I think about it I don't think he's ever been spanked okay okay you don't have to spank man but I know me and you know my kids my kids are me and you know I'm telling are my kids and me and you know, I'm telling mom like yo, they have me they have you now they have this. Do any of your sons have your temperament? Do they have that look on their face? Any of your boys? My oldest may have a little bit, but I think he tried to do it. You know, it ain't natural.
Starting point is 00:18:20 You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's natural, you know, so who's your favorite dog? Oh my God, this funny man that we we talk about this a lot right in our house like so in our household we always say my oldest daughter. That's my wife's favorite. That's like her. She had her young. They they argued, and then they both come to each other. They don't even let us see it. I'm sorry, I'm sorry also, I love you.
Starting point is 00:18:51 And so like my oldest, that's her and my wife, they like this. So then everybody said my second daughter was like the son that I never had until I had one, because I coached her her whole life in softball We were always together But we go to practice together. We go to the games together We fly out of state together and so they like to say my second daughter and my son
Starting point is 00:19:17 Are with me my first daughter and my third daughter with my wife. So they that's how that's what they say I don't know if I if I have a favorite one, I have a favorite quality that I like in each one. But I don't know if I have like, oh, she my favorite. They'll say otherwise, but I think it's a quality in each one that I like that. Like, oh, I wish they all could just have this one quality, but they don't. But I do my second daughter, we get along because she not gonna argue with you. If you just start going off, she'll just be like, okay, I'm gonna say another word. My oldest daughter, she'll go back and forth
Starting point is 00:20:00 with you all day. That's why her and my wife get into it. Because my wife back and forth with you all day and I hope she hearing it so she don't know more back and forth. Be quiet. Right. Right. Hey, you know what? I'm gonna start doing my wife how you did your son. Hey, I'm gonna tell you one time and that's it. You keep.
Starting point is 00:20:16 You can't say for the love of God. Hey, she gonna watch this and she just gonna smack me in my head. I'm like, what you mean? No, you can't. You can't do it with the spark. I'm working on it. I'm working on it. She probably gonna watch this and be like, oh, my God, fuck this. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:33 Yeah. So your oldest one, he like, y'all this. So if I had to pick a favorite, I couldn't pick a favorite, to be honest with you. I have a favorite from day to day. It depends on how they act. Love them does the same. Now, you know, the one may do something or say something that's gonna upset me, and, you know, to be honest with you,
Starting point is 00:20:56 man, you know, you try and treat your kids... You just got the two boys, that's it. That's it. That's it, man. I try and, uh, I try and treat them the same, but, you know, they got different personalities, so I may actually let my younger one get away with something that I wouldn't let my older one get away. Yes Bro all my oldest kids. Oh Yeah, I'll let them get away with like my third daughter. I swear to you, bro
Starting point is 00:21:24 When she was like seven, eight years old, I told my wife, I said, we probably gonna have to get her help. Like her temper was so like literally, I would have to hold her down. I was like, she wouldn't stop. And I'm like, you're not stronger than me. Like she will be going, then she'll stop.
Starting point is 00:21:42 And as soon as I let her go, here she go. I'm like, we might have to get her help. Like this is like concerning me. And then I swear, bro, like three, four months later, super, we still talk about this today. Great personality, great person, just does stuff around the house without you having to ask her. But it was a period about eight months.
Starting point is 00:22:03 I was like, I don't know, bro. She might have to, we might have to go get her some counseling and then boom, completely changed. Yeah, I'm not talking to like that standard. I may let him, I may let my younger one get away with certain things that allow him to build individuality, you know, because my oldest son, you know, he's 17, the other one's 15. So he's probably dealing with some bullying, you know, that I ain't seeing. So I may let
Starting point is 00:22:30 him get away with, you know, maybe doing something that I wouldn't let my oldest get away with. Like my oldest, his confidence is not an issue. So I got to bring him down anytime, you know, he feels like he's trying to step a little further out of the box than I feel like he should, where my younger one, you know, I let something slide and step out of the box, he may say something and then he'll side eye me, like, did he hear me say that? And I won't even pay no attention to it.
Starting point is 00:22:56 Where if my oldest said, I'm like, what you said? You know, correct your words, you know what I'm saying? So, the red oldest one is always going to get it harder and rougher than the younger ones. They the guinea pigs, like especially, at least for me, I was a young parent. Like some of the things I did with my oldest one,
Starting point is 00:23:16 man, when she was born, bro, I would drive and put my hand on her foot. Cause if I wasn't touching her, she would cry all ride. Like I'm literally driving like this with my hand on her foot in her car seat. Like the things we do for our children. Now, do they just play, do they play football
Starting point is 00:23:36 or is that the only sport they have? My oldest just plays football. My youngest, he does, he does track and football. Okay, yeah. My oldest, my son, my daughter's played softball, but my son plays 7-on-7. We's gonna go to tackle this year, but we gonna hold back one. He 11. Yeah, he ain't young, man.
Starting point is 00:23:57 You gotta, you gotta, I believe 10 is good, because they gotta learn how to get it. He just turned 11, though. He just turned 11. They got to learn how to give a hit, take a hit. Physicality, right? That's what- It's safety. For me, it was safety.
Starting point is 00:24:13 I want you to know how to give a hit, take a hit, because if you go out there, people that want to hold their kids back until 13, 14, 15 years old, high school and all that, and then they get out there and he's running down the field and he, you know, he had high and he goes to, you know, try and protect himself. And all he does is lower his head.
Starting point is 00:24:32 And, you know, dude comes in there and gives him, you know, everything that he did not expect he was going to get. And now, you know, he's laid out on the field. That's not, you know, that's something that he would have learned. You know, I used to always think like Oh, they don't need to play early and I'm telling people this but I'm not taking my own advice When you play at a young age There's not enough speed built up for the most part. There's some kids this real record
Starting point is 00:24:58 So all the collisions they're minor collisions because it's not being built up. As you get older, guys get faster, they get stronger, they get more power. They're collisions. Yes. They're a little worse. And so that part I do regret because I would tell people all the time, like the collisions at a young age ain't gonna matter. And my son ain't playing at a young age. We just been playing, been playing AU basketball for about two years now our team cold though. We call we want top teams in the country
Starting point is 00:25:31 a team cold man. No, no, no, no, no, no like out here in Southern, California We know like they know like this ain't just no talk and it's the difference though We are true age. You got these motherfucking teams, dude in the going to the sixth grade, he's 13 years old. Stop fucking cheating, bro. Like these dudes be like,
Starting point is 00:25:55 going to the sixth grade, they be like- Trying to get every competitive advantage that they can, man. Oh, you heard the job. Like, that's one thing I'll say about our team is everybody is the age limit and we nice that we we know now here, but I mean, I got to calm down because I'll be at the games acting crazy. Oh, you want to say just talking to the rest crazy when they make a bad call, I'll say
Starting point is 00:26:19 something to them and if they get smart, then it is what it is. And nine times out of 10, they mean so they're gonna get smart then it is what it is and nine times out of ten they mean so they gonna get smart right back So then I just be going to get we be going off or I be going off Yeah, okay. I don't know. I'll keep your ass up again. I Think I've been kicked out. Why what's up? What's up? No, you can't get making bad calls, bro. They be making bad calls. They be making bad.
Starting point is 00:26:46 Don't cheat us. Just if we gonna lose, let us lose. But we not, we don't, if we play, and we played 50 games, we winning 45 of them. Easily. And those five losses is gonna be to a team that we just can't beat right now. Right now. We just can't beat them.
Starting point is 00:27:02 That's right. But later. Yeah, the D-Bow. Yeah, right.'s right. But later. Yeah. The Divo. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, you mean yeah, I'm back talking to me. We can't. Can't beat them. They got our number. But yeah, I'll start it at we do it. So the diddy thing to go back to that. I believe we'll get a verdict next week. I would not be surprised either way. If he's found guilty or not guilty. I believe he's going to be found not guilty
Starting point is 00:27:31 because being a terrible person is not a crime. Not being compassionate to a fellow human being is not a crime. What he did to her, beating her down, that's a crime, but he's not be a charge for that. He not be a charge for that. It's so say that again, brought these stars. Hey, the feds and you know, when the feds
Starting point is 00:28:00 Yeah, but hey, when the feds, the day of the closing arguments or the day before closing arguments drop three charges, that makes me believe they don't believe in a case. They probably had those charges set up in some way, shape or form where everything had to go or nothing. It's gonna be interesting when this hits next week, I'm sure one both ways, it's gonna be a group of people really happy,
Starting point is 00:28:32 a group of people saying no. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie, I'm with you. I'm not gonna be really, I won't be surprised if he didn't get something. I would be surprised just because it's a federal case. Other than that, it don't make no never mind to me. I wasn't greased up in no baby law nowhere, so.
Starting point is 00:28:54 Hey, that part of Cravey's been the baby whale, dude named The Punisher, and you watching? Like, bro, you literally sick there, bro. He probably was like this, with his arms crossed. Take that, take that, take that, take that. You lose this. Watching that, bruh, like that to me is. That to me is the most crazy, like you sitting here watching.
Starting point is 00:29:21 Your supposed lady. Like what? Getting powered, like what? Getting power, like what? That to me is- That right there tell you that that relationship that she thought she had with him wasn't the relationship that he had with her. Absolutely not, dog.
Starting point is 00:29:37 I can speak for all of us. We ain't trying to see our lady get smashed by nobody. No. And you watching it? With you watching it? I can give two shits about you. If I'm watching something, I can care less what happens to me. No question.
Starting point is 00:29:54 That, that, but he may not be a good person. It's going to be interesting to see what happens next week if we do get a verdict, but I do, we will, I do believe we'll get one next week. For now, we're gonna transition. We're gonna transition back to football. One more little football take. We'll get into a little basketball, the draft. Dan Campbell.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Now I'm asking you this because of the aura you have about yourself, the reputation you have about yourself. So Dan Campbell, he said when he was playing, you know, he played for Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells would literally just yell his name. And that was a sign for Dan Campbell to fight somebody because he didn't like the way Bill Parcells didn't like the way practice was going. And that was Dan Campbell's way to get the team going. You ever been in any situation like that?
Starting point is 00:30:52 Nah, I mean, to actually get a fight started and, I don't know, maybe it was a different time back then. Maybe that's what worked for them, for their, you know, for their team, for that group of people, you know, um, you know, a fight that, that really, I'm off of practice, like, like we got a fight, like I'm trying to finish this. So my thought process on that doesn't, you know what I'm saying? And depends how bad the fight is. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:31:24 Like I had fights that in practice, you know what I'm saying? And depends how bad the fighter is. You know what I'm saying? Like I had fights that in practice. You know what I'm saying? You know fighting, cause I believe everybody that's went through training camp, especially when we came in and went training camp. Yeah, you did a little scuffle all that between two cats, you know what I'm saying? But once you get that brawl going,
Starting point is 00:31:42 where you're trying to get the whole team going, that mean you getting the office defense fight started started where you get their fights off then it yeah We didn't we didn't work like that. They were scaredy. We didn't we didn't work like that, dude We went out there and we actually you know, we we just worked against each other, you know, like like they say, you know I'm sharp design like I'm going out there and I'm trying to compete against you as hard as possible It ain't no way bro. Y'all was having some type of fight I think they had one Like one thing I think Ryan and them had going on
Starting point is 00:32:13 That was really the only fight that we had do and I wasn't even there for that I think I was getting surgery or something. So I wasn't even that was over I believe something with a B saying something to coach the ball. It wasn't even, you know, you get a little, Oh, I remember why I'm telling that story. Yeah. Okay. I remember that.
Starting point is 00:32:31 You get a little scuffle here and there between guys, but when it comes down to it, that's not something that, you know, they, you know, they, they, they promote it because if you do that in the game, you're getting fined or kicked out the game. So why would you do it in practice? So you played for Bill Cowher and then Mike Tomlin gets hired. What were the major differences
Starting point is 00:32:57 and some of the similarities that you liked and disliked between the two? like between the two? Um, I liked, uh, I guess I like both of their approaches. Um, some of them were similar, some of them were different. Um, you know, I only got like, I think maybe like four years with Kyle, but the thing that I really liked about him is he was a special teams guy. So he actually ran our special teams meeting.
Starting point is 00:33:33 That was something that the whole team sat down and watched and you'd be sitting in there doing, you'd be like, man, you know, I missed that block on pump, man. I don't know what he go do. He go point it out, you know what I'm saying? So you sitting there and you know, I missed that block on pump, man. I don't know what he go do. He go point it out. You know what I'm saying? So you, you sitting there and you, you know, you biting your nails and stuff.
Starting point is 00:33:49 And he would do, he would point out every single thing that somebody did wrong. And he would grind on you with it. And it was the little things though. He was, he was into all the details and he made sure that you were put out in front of everybody and you were held accountable by the whole team. With Mike, the biggest thing I guess that I like about him is he is a players coach And the thing that I dislike about him is he is a players coach to a point of
Starting point is 00:34:30 sometimes it can disrupt, you know what I'm saying? Because it goes maybe a little too far with allowing certain things, you know what I'm saying, with with certain players and then it becomes an issue, you know, with that player. So especially like towards the end of my career, the biggest thing was you ask a tough question, you get a tough answer. Well, I was asking tough questions
Starting point is 00:34:55 and I wasn't getting the answer. I was getting told things that weren't the answer that was the true answer. So that was something that towards the know, towards the end of, listen, if you want to sit me here and just have me here, you know, as a security, I'd like to say that. I'll sit back and I'll do whatever it is. But, you know, you want to sit me here and say,
Starting point is 00:35:14 you got a plan, but you don't have the plan. So the biggest thing, ask a tough question, get a tough answer. That didn't come true for me. Yeah, if you're going to ask a a question like I may not like that but I'm a dick because I'm asking you this question okay so before we go I don't know obviously up on the city they win the they win the NBA. Did you see Chad Hongren? Oh, bro.
Starting point is 00:35:47 From up on the city, Chad Hongren was faded. Boy, he was lit. Like I'm talking, he must have drank bottle after bottle. He must have. Chad Hongren was getting drunk before the parade started. OK. That's how faded he was. I didn't win a Super Bowl. You won two?
Starting point is 00:36:09 Yeah. 2007, and we gon', we gon', that was 2007, your first one, right? Nope, 2005. Okay, 2005, which should've been our Super Bowl. We gon' get into that tomorrow. We gon' get in that tomorrow, I and we gonna have them uh have a sound of when I did the shit that I did and then I want you to tell the viewers what Coward said
Starting point is 00:36:33 the night before because I guess everybody keep talking about that when I did what I did and then Coward uh I guess he was mad about that I guess he showed that video so we'll get in that tomorrow but when you guys on your Super Bowl, what's the funniest thing or the craziest thing you remember? Not from 2005, but 2009. 2009. So it was the parade. Yeah. And, you know, we're going through the parade. They got us, you know, on these cars and no, it was 2005. That was 2005. Oh, 2009, I didn't really, 2008,
Starting point is 00:37:07 I didn't really get to do much. So I had the trophy in a car by myself. So I really didn't get to do too much. But in 2005- Okay, go to 2005. Go to the 2005, but we still gonna get into that tomorrow. But in 2005, dude, we were just riding on the back of these trucks.
Starting point is 00:37:24 So like we standing on this brand new trucks. These trucks are getting dented on top of the goods, on top of the roofs, all that, you know what I'm saying? Dudes don't care, whatever. So we like, you know, it's a hell to it. So we started jumping out into the crowd, right? Just jumping out and they catch us and then push us back, you know, to the,
Starting point is 00:37:43 yeah, they catch us and then pushes back to the trucks of cars What my face right? Oh, they do they catch this it you couldn't hit the ground to save your life, right? So we jump in now. So we're talking to Troy. We like Troy man. Come on. You gotta jump out there man Come on, you know, you know, like come on Troy. You gotta jump man. So Troy jumps out They start carrying Troy away from their trucks out into the crowd. We gotta jump down and go get him They didn't bring him back to the truck they were like we like dude that's a They were like, we like, dude, that's a dream. That was like, we got to get it.
Starting point is 00:38:27 Did they stop the truck? No. So you jump out where it's at. The truck is stopped. So you jump out where it's at. Like it stops every so often. So you jump out, you jump out. When you jump out, they go and they push you back, you know, they slide you back to the truck. So when Troy jumped out, they started pushing him back away from the truck. That's Troy. I know security was like, wait, wait, hold up.
Starting point is 00:38:47 We got to jump down. I'm not pretty. I'm Troy. I'm not Troy, man. They were trying to search you. Did security get involved? No, no, we got it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:55 Oh, we're good. There was so many, like, people, man. It was a hell. They had horses, too, man. One of the horses kicked it up. And it had to be cold as hell, huh? It was so many like people man. It was a hell they had horses too man one of the horses kicked it up And it had to be cold as hell, huh? That's crazy, but I don't remember the cold it was cold though. You can say it you were faded
Starting point is 00:39:14 You don't remember how cold it was because it's in February in Pittsburgh. It's cold as hell. I go lie that first Super Bowl I Don't remember my soul so it was in Detroit. So my family is in Akron, Ohio. And I guess at like some point during the game, they started driving up. So they drove up, and I guess after the game, they got there, and I guess we kicked it.
Starting point is 00:39:39 We did it whatever all night, all that, right? So in the morning, by the time I got up, we'd now, you know, started eating and everything, you know, met back up with my parents and stuff, you know, they had already left. And they're like, you know, you did this, you did that. I'm like, oh, remember that? It was like your sister, your brother, dad was here.
Starting point is 00:39:59 I'm like, what about here? I was, dude, I don't know what happened, but somebody gave me something to drink as soon as we was in the locker room. So by time I was drinking like Gatorade, by time I got on the bus, I don't remember anything from the bus ride, halfway to the bus ride home until I woke up the next morning. The only reason I know they were there is they took pictures. And I'm seeing myself in pictures,
Starting point is 00:40:27 arm around people like this. I'm like, oh my God, they were there. Like, I don't remember nothing, dude. So I'm like, you know what? I've got to get to another Super Bowl. And I'm like, this time I'm not drinking nothing crazy like that, I want to remember it. You know what I'm saying? So the second that. I want to remember it. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:40:45 So the second one I was able to remember. All right, well, we gonna be back. Appreciate everybody tuning in. Nightcap, this is Bay 2 of The Takeover. Just so everybody know, me and my dog, we coming back tomorrow. Day three. Oh yeah, yeah, for sure.
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