Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Tom Brady on Patrick Mahomes GOAT potential + Henry Ruggs returning to NFL?

Episode Date: June 27, 2025

TJ Houshmandzadeh & James Harrison react to an autograph collector calling out Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase for not signing autographs, Henry Ruggs III potential return to the NFL, and Tom Brady's thoughts on Patrick Mahomes surpassing him as the NFL GOAT!01:47 - Ja’Marr Chase20:40 - Love Island23:37 - Henry Rugg30:50 - Brady on Mahomes45:18 - Which players facing the most pressure going into this season(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Buy Runs in the Family wherever books are sold. The Volume Let's stay with the bingos, right? Did you see the video when Jamar Chase was on the airplane? Yeah, man. I saw the video. Yeah. Yeah. Did you, as when you were a player,

did you sign every autograph request or there was time where you were like, nah? No, I didn't sign every autograph request. You're mean. No, no, no, no. I'm actually very, very nice when it comes to that. I do sign most autograph requests depending on where I'm at, what I'm doing, and how they approach me. Okay, we got Keely Ringo, so they can bring you in. He can hear the rest of this, but go ahead, go ahead.

We're gonna get to Keely in a minute. So, if I'm eating and they say, I don't mean to interrupt you, but can I- And you get that all the time. I'll be messing with them. I'll be like, why you interrupt me? So I say, listen, if you don't mean to interrupt me, why you interrupt me?

Well, I said, listen, tell me the truth. And I'll sign it. You interrupted me because you don't know if you go get an opportunity to see me again and you were just taking your shot. Yeah, that was it. I'm like, all right, here, I signed the autograph and keep moving.

I'm not gonna lie, man. I signed, I can't recall ever telling somebody no, and I'm gonna tell you why. And then Keely, listen to what we talking about. We talk about telling people no. First off, welcome to the show, bro. Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you guys for having me, man.

We talking about fans coming up asking for our grass and do you tell them no? So I'll never forget this, bro. So my Ricky year, we all go to the mall. It was myself, it was Chad, Peter Warwick. And if anybody has listened, Peter Warwick, at least in my opinion, Peter Warwick is the best anybody has listened to the work at least in my opinion, Peter Warwick is the best college football player I ever seen.

Unbelievable. Florida state that boy. Oh my God. That boy was so cold. Ryan was a bunch of young dudes. We at the mall. And so we go to the mall in Cincinnati and we just mobbed it through it. And fans start coming up, right.

And they asked her her we called him dub P-dub they start everybody want dub autograph me and Chad just chilling bro like ain't nobody asking for our autograph and it was just like wow and so you see that you like bro I cannot wait till I get in that position where they asked for my autograph because nobody wanted me and Chad's autograph I don't think we signed shit. And so when it got to that point, because as a young player, you want that.

You want that recognition. And so then when that recognition came, I couldn't bring myself to say no to anybody cause I always went back to that day when I wish I was in that position. And now that you're finally in that position, why would you tell a kid no? Now there's the autograph seekers,

like I don't even photograph people. The autograph seekers, you crash an auto on them. It was somebody trying to get an autograph. I'll actually give them an autograph, but I'll give them a different autograph. There you go. But hell, I might give them a different autograph. There you go. Yeah. But hell, I might sign one or two things. Then I'm gonna say, come on, bro,

how many goddamn things you gonna have me sign? Come on, all right, TJ, my bad. But I'm always saying yes because of that incident. I'll never forget that. I'm always saying no if I'm doing something with my kids or I'm talking to my kids. Even if I'm eating and if I'm with my wife, if I'm with my kids, I'll do it because If I'm watching my kids play, I'm sorry I'm not doing any autographs right now.

I'll do it. And they're not gonna question you because you mean it. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm just not doing any autographs right now. I'll catch you. Let me bring you in, Keely. You young. You really young. What's your take on what we just talked about? Man, I would say it comes on to respect. You never really understand of how much of an impact you get. Big fan for sure, you know. So when I go down to respect thing, it goes back to what James is saying.

If I'm with my family, I feel like you need to be more understandable with, man, I'm not really on that right now, respectfully, you know, man, but really understanding that just a small thing as a signature can really brighten up somebody's day. But man, when it's a respect thing, when somebody gets really pushy,

and it's kind of like, man, I just want you to respect me just as much. I appreciate you as being a fan. So that's the best way I can explain it. All right. So obviously you get, for the fans that don't know the people that's tuned in, DB for the Philadelphia Eagles,

went to University of Georgia from Las Vegas, correct? No, sir, I'm actually from Tacoma, Washington, like 20 minutes from Seattle. I went to high school Tacoma everybody I mean from the coma Yeah If you from on the northwest, you know, you know, let's tell me from around the northwest Yeah, everybody that I know that's so common a well, they they Tacoma the slums and man, you know what?

Okay, so You go to University of Georgia have a great career and then you come out and I'm at the combine when you know, you're probably not gonna remember this run fast Were you disappointed in the way the draft process played out? The best thing I can say is, man, like the entire job process is really tiring, man. It definitely makes you understand that, man,

like this is what I've been working for my entire life. I would say that, I wouldn't say necessarily more of a disappointment, but man, just really humbling for sure, you know, cause man, your entire life, you've been one of those guys, you know, I mean, man, no matter the game, the ball all the time, whether an offense defense making plays all the time and energy into you, you know? And it's like, man, like, when I say it's humbling, it's I'm critiquing myself to a specific point to where, man, I am valuable. I know who I am, X, Y, and Z, you know? So I definitely wouldn't say where you get drafted

or anything like that defines who you are, you know what I mean? No matter if, man, you go first round, second round, third round, man, going into the league, it's a whole new world, you know? So, man, just whether you're in a point where you feel like you need to pull yourself or just continue to stay where you feel that, man, going into the league, it's a whole new world. You know, so man, just whether you're at a point where you feel like you need to pull yourself or just continue to stay where you feel that, man, you always have to figure out a way to get better, man. Just continue to keep that mindset, man.

I'm hungry. You know, I want to continue to work. So, man, yeah, I could definitely say it's humbling for sure. Let's talk about this. Let me ask you about this. So your mother was diagnosed with breast cancer and she beat it. She was declared cancer free February of 2022. So you start a foundation, the Ringo Family Foundation

to raise awareness about breast cancer. First off, prayers for your family that your mama was able to beat that, your mother was able to beat it. And so what are you doing now, how the fundraisers, just giving back because you were impacted by that and obviously your mother,

it was very, very close to possibly losing her. So how has that impacted you and how are you giving back to the community now? Yes sir, I appreciate your person. I wanna say is God bless you and your family as well. I appreciate you, man. One of my things, just continue to focus on with me on my mother and just her message overall is, man, nobody's safe. That denial with really understanding of how important it is to get screening, you know, no matter what age you are, you know, we're kind of biased in that situation. I remember going before right before I went to college, my mother felt a little

ball above her breast, you know, and we're feeling it. And we were trying to see exactly what it is without obviously getting any testing first beforehand. And then it was right, it was right after I went to college, she had got diagnosed, man, I could definitely say one of the main things I say is that anything that she's going through, there's no comparison. I go through, there's no comparison to anything my mom's going through. So she's a great mom for me. She's set down a platform for me to continue to grow through that. So I just want to shine light on that and just continue to understand that breast cancer,

it doesn't discriminate in any type of way, no matter how old you are and who you are as a person. Man, you've been blessed, bro. I'm like kinda looking at your story, bro. From a, you're just a winner. I appreciate you, man. Like, it's a lot. Bro, you went to the University of Georgia. Two national championships.

You get drafted to the Eagles. Win the playoffs, we win the Super Bowls. You know nothing but win it. Like, I mean, every team and organization you've played with has had so much success. Darius Slade now is in the same state, different team now with the Steelers. How are you looking to make an impact?

Because now space and room has opened up in that secondary. What, what are you looking to accomplish this year? Man, one of the big things I say of me spending my time in the league, man, honestly, it's about opportunities, um, continue to grow. You know, of course, everyone wants to improve themselves, you know, but when the opportunity comes for you, you'd be able to grow, you know, change your role no matter what it is, you know, cause everybody has personal goals and things like that and just be able to help the team, change your role no matter what it is. Because everybody has personal goals and things like that, and just be able to help their team no matter what way they can, man.

But just the best thing I say to myself, I continue to grow, man, is just seize your moment whenever the opportunity does come, because you never know when it's going to come back. So, man, that's the best thing I can say. Guys like Slay, man, he paved the way, and I definitely know what it looks like. So, man, just having that blueprint for sure, because that has definitely helped me a lot and

having a leader like that around yeah man you got any big plans for tomorrow I know it's your birthday coming up you got anything plan um right now I'm back in Arizona where I went to high school at man just kicking all my friends I'm spending time with family honestly you know just yeah um Scottsdale. Oh Keeley before you came on We was talking about working out because I don't know if you really know James. He a workout warrior. He's trying to stay. That's James Harrison. Yeah.

Oh, go work. You working out tomorrow? Yeah. Where you training at right now? It's a place called Elite U in North Scottsdale. I used to work out there throughout my high school career. So it felt like home over there for me. Field work, all that.

Hey, go train with James tomorrow. Cause he act like his workouts are so hard, like nobody can do them. Like you can just go. I didn't say nobody could do him. He's going to do a DB workout. He's a DB. So he's going to get every, every workout that is done is, is tailored specifically to that person, their needs, wants, desires, and whatever they're

deficient in it. So you come in, you get your whole body tested from top to bottom, do muscle testing to see where you're weak at. You gotta make sure that you have no more than, I wanna say it's five or something percent difference between, say, your quad and your hamstrings. Why? Because you get a guy that's quad dominant,

that's the dudes that end up pulling their hamstrings. You get a dude that's hamstring dominant, that's the dude that pull their quad. Hey, are you gonna be in Arizona the rest of the tell training camp? No, sir I actually I'm leaving actually Monday. I'm going to Seattle Well, really to come with a train a little bit more man, but shoot I'm a couple my DB trainer said it didn't come out there as on a so I might escape for a weekend or two before I might go back to Philly. Um DB precision, too to before I go back to Philly. Um, okay. Well, I was trying to get you to see how you're with a deep precision too.

We can like with them to, uh, most definitely never get enough work. You know that, you know, we always trying to prove no matter what it is, no matter what time, you know, different brains, different details, different ideas, things like that. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, no short time, no short time in the league. Who are the toughest receivers you've had to cover? Oh, oh, um, game, man.

Uh, I would say James Smitty every single day. Uh, man, one time duels in the league. Um, man, uh, I would say James Williams, pretty tough. Um, but show I've already more in college as well man but man just speed and change it change the pace man I like you know most of it's just chest man just man trust your technique receiver showing you illusions things like that making you second guess your leverage you know man just so many different ends and ends of the game TJ you know how it feels

to be out there overall man just man I prepare myself better than leverage you know man just so many different ends and ends of the game. TJ you know how it feels to be out there overall man just man I prepare myself better than you you know I mean in in where I was just playing you know so that's the best way to explain it for a film. What corners have you watched film on because that's what I used to do every offseason I'd go to the video guys and you know we I'm old so they couldn't download it to us when they to do every off season, I'd go to the video guys and you know, we, I'm old, so they couldn't download it to us when they had to make a DVD for us, right? So I'd go to the computer guys, the video guys

and say, hey, every ball thrown to Reggie Wayne, every ball thrown to Steve Smith, every ball thrown to this, send it to me, Larry Fitzgerald, I'm gonna watch it and see what I can pick up. What DBs have you learned from and just took little things from their game to add to yours? One of the main ones is Patrick Surtain. Actually, our DB coach now, Christian Parker, he was with Patrick Surtain and with the Broncos. I mean, just fundamentally sound the best way gets of course

Guys blessed if it's a player your previous year, you know, man Just of course a lot of the guys big fat ass strong tall man just technique things, you know The best way possible I feel like when they were those things together, you know knowledge in the game I'm there extending another guy that I watched a good amount. Christian Gonzalez came out with me, my class, big player, lockdown corner himself as well, you know, just man, just continue to grow my game, you know, as we talked about before, having different mindsets, different details, things like that, continue to help you grow, you know,

so yeah, that's gonna be things for me. You talked about earlier, like, man, the NFL, everybody's good, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. Did you, did you play a lot of special teams in Georgia? I played a good amount. Um, my, my role got a little bit bigger. Um, really yeah. And so, cause I say that because you're the type of player like.

Coaches love it because when you were highly talented coming out of college, we ain't playing on special teams. If I'm playing special teams, I'm returning the kick or I'm returning the puck. Man. So you do anything to help the team, they make you a gunner. And you're like, all right, I'm gonna be the best gunner.

You're making a pro boy as a gunner. And so to me, that shows all buy-in. Is that something that has always been in you, or it is something you learned because you went to an organization and a team that was winning so much, you're like, okay, I'm not getting on the field much on defense, but I'm gonna make an impact on special teams.

Yeah, man. Just like you said, a lot of different teams that we've been on is, man, from even high school, college, to the league, man just buy into the role no matter what that is. Of course, continue to perfect my craft, whether it's corner, special teams overall, man, but personally, you know what each and every single individual wants and what's understood doesn't really need to be explained, man, just continue to grow. Man, and whenever I get my opportunity,

you know, I'm gonna make the most of it, no matter if it's special teams, on the field, CB1, CB2, no matter what it is, you know? So just continue to, man, put myself in the best, put forward, you know, continue to show my preparation, continue to grow as a man overall, man. So that's why I really love football, man. Just teaching so much about life lessons,

man, it's just, yeah, it's huge. Well, man, we appreciate you joining us. How old you gonna be tomorrow? 23. So, tell the listeners, so happy 23rd birthday tomorrow. Tell the listeners, y'all go wishing him a happy birthday on Instagram, on Twitter, let him know. What's the tag, let him know.

On Instagram, at Q-E-Ringo K E L E E R N G O. Which is not, which is not. Yeah, just wrongly. So yeah, man, we appreciate you joining us, man. And again, y'all check out the Ringo Family Foundation. It raises awareness, provides education about triple negative breast cancer. They established that 2023, man. Once again, happy for you, your family, your mother, being that. Wish you nothing but success this season, bro. Thank you, man. Appreciate you guys. It's a blessing to be on here. Thank you guys.

Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core.

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Hey James, I got a question for you man. You gonna laugh at this. Do you watch a lot of TV? Not really. Okay, well I do. And see, so then I need some of the producers to get in on this conversation right quick. This only gonna be like a three minute conversation. If y'all can kind of like just listen and say stuff, dude.

Because then I'm gonna feel like I'm by myself. Man, so check this out, right? So I got y'all know, I got three daughters two daughters They they grow and so they got me to watching this show I watched it last year and then I'm watching it again this year. It's called love Island. You ever you ain't ever seen that No, man. I ain't watching that man Hold on You ever you ain't ever seen that no man. I ain't watching that man Nah, you gotta watch that no the other day Uh, I don't see miss season like probably like five episodes of love Island. So I kind of got into it, right? Last year I was watching the UK version got into that

And so just the other day, because we behind, I think we like behind two episodes, we team-bo everything, all right? I'm just saying this, to anybody here that's associated with Love Island, man, y'all better bring Jeremiah back. If y'all don't bring Jeremiah back on Love Island, I ain't watching it no more.

Somebody here to watch Love Island, y'all better bring him back. It's just how you may have it. It ain't happening. Hey Jacob get back on Jacob what you say? Oh so you watch it too. Well why would they put Jeremiah off? He was the best contestant on the I mean the best person on the show. I mean the best person on the show. Ace a hater bro, why Ace doing like this? See we talking about- I don't even know what you're talking about man.

If you watch Love on the Spectrum, that's my- Listen, they got like two, two, three seasons of that. You gotta watch that one. Love on the Spectrum, watch that one. Love on the Spectrum? Hey Jacob, Jacob, Jacob. I know you're not on the show bro. I may be wrong for doing this but like- So when he doing podcast, they mean you can't go back on the show.

Oh, man, I can't believe they got him out of tripping. Y'all tripping, love, I'll tripping because y'all gonna lose a viewer now because I want if you don't come back, I'm going to give them three episodes. OK, I'm on your. I'm watching. They know don't come back, I'm gonna give them three episodes. I don't care about numbers to you. I ain't watching. They don't care, but they only got you cause your daughters is watching them. But I can't be the only one that think this. I don't, I just started watching last year.

I cannot be the only one. Like my daughters love that show. I cannot be the only one that think like why they get rid of Jeremiah. I cannot be the only one. I can't, I can't, I can't, I just, I can't bring myself to watch that. I just can't. I know I shouldn't can't, I can't, I just, I can't bring myself to watch that. I just can't. I know I shouldn't even be talking about that, but I just got, I bring that up.

Like they tripping. They got rid of the best person on the show. Like I'm like, what are they doing? What are they doing? Okay. Enough about Love Island. That's, it's pretty good though. It's a good show.

I ain't gonna lie to you. It really is a good show. So now we gonna get back to, I wanna talk about this man, the Henry Rudd situation. I don't know if you've kept up. I didn't keep up with it. I understood what, yeah, I know what happened and you know. So I believe it was about a week or two ago.

He did an interview because they relocated him and he did an interview and he said, he thinks about it every day, every night. One of his biggest regret of his life is the tragic incident where the young lady lost her life. If he could change it, obviously he would. If he can go back and change things, he would, um, he wants their family to know he's truly, truly remorseful, uh, for what he caused.

And then he goes on to say his goal is to hopefully plan a national football league again. Do you believe we'll see Henry rugs in the NFL uniform? Okay, I can't say yes or no to that because I'm not the person in a position to actually make that decision. I can give my how I would feel if I was him, yeah, I would love to have the opportunity to, you know, to come back and be back where, you know,

I was and, but again, I put myself in position of, you know, the family and my, you. And my daughter will never get an opportunity to get another chance. It wouldn't matter to you the... Because he says, I would really like the family to meet the real Henry Ruggs. That's not me. And even the guys that he played with like Devontae Smith,

who's really close with Henry Ruggs is like, that's just not him like that. That shocked me. Him doing what he did. And he's eligible for parole next August. So August of 2026. Still be here probably be 27 years old, I believe, and it's athletic prime.

The only case that I believe comes close to this and it's Vic, Mike Vic, went to prison for a couple years for the incident with the animals, with the dogs. It was like somebody named Little or something. Who? Yeah. What's that one? Yeah. Leonard Little.

No, Leonard Little, he killed somebody. He killed someone in his car, but he didn't, he wasn't away from a game that long. I'm talking like went to prison, Vic went to prison, Henry rugs is in prison. Um, and it will be around the same amount of same length of time that like went to prison, Vic went to prison, Henry Ruggs is in prison, and it will be around the same amount of, same length of time that they serve prison time. And so, and then they come back and play, yes, Leonard Little did take someone's life, but he didn't serve prison time.

So Henry Ruggs served prison time, Michael Vick served prison time. So Henry Rudd served prison time, Michael Vick served prison time. It will be interesting to see. I hope he gets another opportunity. Life is about second chances. He seems very remorseful, but it's what you said. Everybody, listen, like I said, I'm not saying this is him,

but everybody's remorseful after you get caught. Everybody's remorseful after. I caught. Everybody's remorseful. I don't know about that. You don't see any dudes get caught. Right, but I'm saying you didn't purposely do this. It's not something you went out purposely to do. I'm not gonna be remorseful if I go and take the life of somebody that did something to me or my family members.

Yes, I'm not gonna be remorseful for that. That's very true. If I go out and do something because I decided to make a immature decision and go and do something that, you know, ended up causing me to take someone's life, yes, I'm gonna be very remorseful. Now, I wouldn't be remorseful if I got through with that

and I made it home, it would have been, hey man, I was ballin', I was drivin' fast, and I made it home, I got lucky. Now, it ends up being that you take a life, not a remorseful, which you should be. But, you know, like I said, I played six and one half dozen other. If I'm him, yes, I want another chance.

You know what I'm saying? I'm sorry for this happening. You know, I want to get the opportunity to, you know, to show you and all that. But at the same time, if I'm the parents over here, if I'm the sister and brothers over here, like, where's my daughter's second chance? Where's my sister's second chance? Your second chance will be you'll get an opportunity to come out and live life. You don't get an opportunity now to go and play this game that is a privilege, not a right. I believe I believe he'll get another opportunity. And as long as you're remorseful.

I believe he deserves it. Like we all make mistakes. We all make mistakes. But I get I get your viewpoint is you took someone's life. They will never see their loved one again, whereas he can continue on with life. Um, but they do say the first time you get called or the first time you had an accident, it's not the first time you've done it.

It's the first time you got caught with it. So, uh, it sucks for her family. It really does. They had to go through that. And so hopefully, hopefully he's able to get an opportunity. And I do believe he will. I do, because he seems very remorseful. Very remorseful. But as you said, that's not bringing my child back.

Yeah, like I said, if it's me, yeah, I want another opportunity. If I'm the parents, your opportunity will be you'll get a chance to come out of jail and live a normal life, you know? Yeah. It's interesting to see in about, yes, probably 13 months, 13, 14 months time, when he's eligible for parole,

if one, he's granted parole, and two, what transpires at what? Listen, so once that parole come now, you know, they're going to get an opportunity to be in there and talk. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, her family, I'm sure will have A voice and The words that they speak and say yes, there will be a pack Whether it helps. Yeah, I'm sure that we'll see. I wish, like I said, prayers for the family man.

Um, Henry Rogers got to stay strong, uh, stay with the Lord and in hopes that that opportunity is give it to him and I hope he gets it. We all make mistakes because I've done some things and I was younger. Lord knows I just ain't get in trouble for it.

I didn't get caught. I didn't get caught. Yeah, I didn't get caught. Like, yeah. So some guys get. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go to. Did you see what Brady Brady says? He believes Patrick my homes Can surpass him as a goat. Do you think that's possible? Go go to the quarterbacks champions because it's gonna come down

To go down the championships and patrick my homes What do you got now? I don't really got now. I love this. I love this kind of stuff. How many we got now? He's great Talk about like those things, don't he? Tom Brady got seven. Tom Brady got seven championships. I'm sorry, man. You gotta put together. Ooh.

That's a lot. That's a lot. You can say it old Pat. Pat, he probably got about, he got about 10 more years left any measly 10 Yeah, but really here's left the but does this cast around me that's it That's the key they just they got to continue they got to continue Now harder it is to get yeah

Pieces you know what I'm saying? It's a lot harder to get it back. To me, what's really keeping them in the title picture is Chris Jones. Chris Jones probably has three dominant years left, I'ma say. And then after that, they're gonna have to find another dominant defensive lineman because without Chris Jones

They in trouble without somebody that can really get after the quarterback day in trouble because offensively the last couple years, bro They just been okay They've been okay. They just make timely plays because of my homes Yeah, yeah area Yeah So can my homes win five Super Bowls in the next? But the defense is carrying them. Yeah. So can the homes win five Super Bowls in the next eight to 12 years? I say no.

Five in the next eight? No. Eight to 12. You got Philly over there and all that other stuff. So. Not even, let's just, we assume Lamar gonna get at least one, right? I don't know, they seem to get into the playoffs and things unravel a little bit.

Hey man, you, Lamar gonna get for sure one. Josh Allen gonna get one. I just don't want him to get one because of your wife. I know that's why you said it, I knew that when you started hesitating. Now I said, oh, I got it, you saying that because he your weight. I know that's why you said it. I knew that when you started hesitating. I said, oh, I'm not saying that because he will Baltimore. I knew that. I knew that.

I just say want to say it. I'm glad you said it. Thank you, Sister Mary. I want to see Joe Burrow be one just because he think LeBar going to get one. We think Josh Allen going to get one. CJ Stroud may get one. Joe Burrow going to get one. Jane Daniels going to get one. Uh, CJ Stroud may get one. Joe Burl go get one.

Jane Daniels gonna get one within that, within that eight to 12 year time frame. And so I'm not so sure Justin Herbert probably gonna get one as long as hard boys as coach as long as Marv all his coach. Yeah. And then let's not do, I'm a big fan, bro Ben Johnson Because he resurrected Jared golf's career in Chicago in Detroit Career, okay, and so if Caleb Williams is

What everybody thinks he was gonna be when he got drafted in the next 8 to 12 years, he going to get one. And where? Because Johnson is proving. And where? In Chicago. They got to do a lot of changes around there. They done a lot of changes.

They still got to do a lot more. You got three really good receivers. You got two good running backs. You got two first round tight, no Colt commit was the second round tight and you drive Colts and LeBla in the first round this year. They fortified the offensive line. They had a top 10 defense last year.

So they got pieces, they got guys. What they were lacking was the quarterback and the play cornercaller head coach. They have that also. It's all going to come down to can Caleb Williams develop. So does Patrick Mahomes have the potential to surpass him? Yeah, Willie, I say no. That's a lot, man.

That's a lot man. That's a that's a lot too. And it's just I think they were hot hot and once you start cooling off it's still man. Yeah I'm gonna have to go with you. I'm not saying no. Yeah, that right there is tough. I can't see it. It's too many good teams. One more in the next... ...8-12 years. It's like really...

Like, what's his contract? Didn't he sign a contract already? Like for my...10 for 500 something? He ain't worried about that. He gonna get another contract after that, 10 years, 500. They gonna get another 10? Nah, they ain't gonna get him 10. They probably gonna get him about three or four. Right. But he, I just don't, it's just so many good teams,

good young quarterbacks. We didn't even bring up like the Rams. They're really good again. The Niners, they young quarterbacks. We didn't, we didn't even bring up like the rounds. They're really good again. The Niners, they're going to be solid. Like it's so many good teams. These young quarterbacks keep coming into the league. It's going to be interesting, but I just, I don't know if we'll ever see a quarterback do what Brady did in New England again.

I just don't think we'll see it. Dude, they did like 12, what was it? 12 straight or something, there was something goofy. I mean, Brady is just that good of a player, man. I would say this time and time and time and time and time and time again. Like, give me the best game plan in the world. Is it really the best game plan if I can execute it?

Cause you know, everybody was like, who gets the most credit? Bill Belichick or Tom Brady. Bill Belichick, you can design and craft the best game plan in the world. The players on Executed, is it really the best game plan? Brady was the engine. Yeah, he fought for a lot of things that they lacked. You know what I'm saying?

As far as, you know, real, you know, top caliber, you know, players on offense, you know, I could have, you know, sometimes I could have blocked on that offensive line. I know you don't get the ball off in 1.7 seconds. I can put my hand on you and that's enough to, you know, stop you from getting there. There was times when I... I can put my hand on you and that's enough to you know stop you from getting there. It was time And then the year the year he had top talent on offense look what they did They went undefeated although they lose on Super Bowl night, but He went crazy set all kind of records him at malls West

Lost in the Super Bowl, but you give him the top talent That's what he gonna do. It goes to San Jose, you give him top talent, first year, I'm winning the Super Bowl. And so, and it kinda made Belichick, at least in my eyes, it made him look bad. Cause, Brady, you the greatest coach ever. What up Tom Brady? All right.

I think he had a great line for coaching. You played for him, so you would know more than I did. I do believe that he put his players, I believe that he has the ability to adjust his players to fit the skill that they're best at playing on the field. So, you know, they did a lot of different defensive personnel's and the reason they did that is like,

they would switch, like it'd be maybe one or two people that would change and it would be because, okay, maybe this person can play the run better. This person can play this, you know, this pass coverage better. Like he actually did adjust his plan to actually fit his players, where a lot of coaches are like,

this is the defense I run, this is where I'm gonna run. I like this player and I'm gonna make him fit into this, and he don't fit into it. And now you start seeing your defense going downhill because you got a player that is not a two gap player, he's a pass rusher and he can't hold up at the line. And now he's playing three yards deep and now he's in front of your linebackers.

Now your linebackers looking bad, now everybody talking about the D line and your linebackers. Now your linebackers looking bad. Now everybody talking about the D line and your linebackers because you wouldn't pick somebody for defense that needs to be able to hold up two versus trying to rush up field. And he's getting, you know, dog mush three yards deep every time. But he just not gonna have somebody trying to do something

that their skill set can't do. Right. And then he can change it. Approach it. Then he can change that defense to be like, you know what, this is a skill set. This is what I have to work with. We're going to change the defense and make it do this. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators

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Oh, you played with Coach Luke? It was 2013. Oh damn, yeah, yeah, it was Coach Luke. And so Marvin, yeah, he would come, yeah. Belichick was the only one that you felt like, okay, you do this well, this is gonna be the role. And you felt other coaches would call stuff. I felt like other coaches.

So in that adjustment is what I'm saying. So with Cowher, he drafted his players for the position he wanted to play. That's how I felt. We played a, you know, we played a three-four. he drafted his players for the position he wanted to play. That's how I felt. We played a three-four. We got three-four linemen, we got three-four linemen. We got what we needed for corners and safeties.

With Mike, I feel like he got a little more enamored with numbers, speed, seeing guys that were fast versus drafting a guy that fit a true dick look bowl, three, four defense, you know what I'm saying? You know, a nose that's gonna hold up two, you know, two ends that can do both. They can, they can defend in a run. Like right now it's more of a four, three, you know,

where before, you know, in Dickel-Bowles defense, you're dropping 50% of the time. You're lucky if you get, you know, many five or 10, you know, ass luck. Right now they're going. So it's not even the same fires on defense of Dick LeBow's defense that it was, you know, when he was there, you know, it's this, this sort of his own combination of whatever, you know, it's come up with.

And when you do things like that, it kind of leaves gaps in the defense, you know, you can't defend everything, you know. You go and start doing things like that and you're gonna leave, you're gonna say, I wanna protect this. Well, you can't protect that, you know. Coach LeBow would tell us every defense has one weakness. And if they hit that on the defense, that's on me. But if you go and try and protect that weakness

that is just in that defense, you end up creating two more. So, if they get the call to get the call, it's usually the, you know, secure the tackle. Worst case scenario, they may get 10, 12 yards. That's actually smart in a lot. Cause you're gonna play a lot of like, Rex Ryan, he would do that a lot, but we can play the Ravens. We didn't throw the ball to our tight end often.

So, certain times, we just gonna leave this tight end open. And he probably gonna be last in the progression. The quarterback ain't gonna have time to get to him. He gonna be on his back or he gonna throw it at somebody else. And so, that's where LeBeau is smart we don't play to the strength of our defense, but we don't play to the weakness in our team. They don't throw the ball to this guy. So on this deep, don't worry about this.

If he go here, that's on me. But don't try to make up for this because now you're going to leave two or three other things open. But that is that's great coaching. Very interesting. So this will be our last topic, and it's kind of fitting considering what we talked about earlier.

So USA Today, they say the most pressure, which players are facing the most pressure heading into this season? You want to give me the players or you want me to tell you who USA Today says has the most pressure on? Who does USA Today say? They say, your quarterback. Who your quarterback? Me? Your quarterback. You say every time you said the Steelers, you said we.

We it is. I don't think no pressure is on him. For me, I don't think no pressure is on him. He got him one. He got him one. Shit, he got no pressure. So it was Aaron Rodgers, Justin Fields, JJ McCarthy. I agree with all three of those, but I don't agree with the last one.

Michael Pinnix Jr. I don't agree with that. Uh, I don't know sports. Is he a rookie last year or so? He's a rookie last year, didn't start. They, they, poor cousins and brought him in. I don't think it's a lot of pressure. He could throw that thing.

When he trained with us coming out, oh my God, that, left-handed, he could throw that thing and When he trained with us coming out, oh my God, that left-handed, he could throw that thing and he fast. I think it's, yeah, I hate him, but yeah, it's pressure on him because you know, you want to, it's one year, you really want to go out with a bang. On your quarterback, right?

You talking your quarterback. Yeah, I've been trying to fight it and deny it, you know what I'm saying? I'll be trying to, you know, but yeah, you know, especially after having the time he had in New York and getting the opportunity here to at least try and write his own shit, not even just ours, his own, you know,

so that he can leave on a high note. So, yeah, I would put that at one, because that's where everybody's eyes go be anyway. It's a lot of pressure. It's a lot of pressure because everybody felt he was going to the Steelers, but he didn't sign until a few days before minicamp. It's a lot of pressure because

you go to the New York Jets, everybody had such high expectations when you signed with the Jets. You get hurt immediately into your first season, your next season, which was last season, didn't go well, but many believe you got the coach fired. Many believe you had picked your officer coordinator. And so there's pressure on you because Mike Tumlin has never had a losing season.

It's pressure on you to make sure that stays that way. It's pressure on you because you come out and said, this is quite possibly my last season playing. And so I Don't feel like there's another player that's gonna have that type of pressure on them You Aaron Rodgers you are Aaron Rodgers the most gifted throw. Well, he don't realize my Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh Pittsburgh is the biggest little high school professional Team you go ever go to.

Yeah. Like you are in a bubble. The history of the franchise though. The Pittsburgh Steelers, when you think championships, you think Pittsburgh. You think Pittsburgh, at least me. I think Pittsburgh. I mean, you was getting that boot on you, you know, the whole thing. We was beating y'all just as much as y'all beat us. me. I think Chris Corgan. I mean, you was getting that boot on you, you know, the whole thing.

We was beating y'all just as much as y'all beat us. I believe the boys are sitting in y'all. We ain't talking about that. We talking about head to head. We talking about head to head. Well, that's head to head. We was beating y'all as much as y'all beat us. No, I'm not. Yes. I'm not looking. Yes. Yes.

Pull that up for me. For what year? My rookie year 2001 and I left the Bengals 2009. Okay. Yeah. Look, look, look, 2001 to 2018. No, not until you retired. When you played with the Bengals, how they go, who won what? You remember? When you cut out a little bit later, what you say? When you played the Steelers, how they go when you were with the Bengals, the two games I played. Huh?

You won one lost one. Exactly. That's what I'm trying to tell you. It's all it was-on-one. It may be a sweep here or there, but for the most part, it's going to be one-on-one. And it's crazy. We're going to get into some of this tomorrow,

because I can go on and on and on about when we get ready to play the Steelers, we're going to tell these stories tomorrow. How the cultures used to walk in the meeting, that shit used to piss me off. You know you was playing the big bad wolf? That's how we're going to walk in the meeting. That shit used to piss me off. You know you was playing the Big Bad Wolf? That's how, we gonna get into that tomorrow. But yeah, I think J.J. McCarthy is under some pressure also.

Because you let Sam Darnold go to Seattle, who last game of the season was playing for the division. And you let him go to play JJ McCarthy and that's unknown. JJ McCarthy is unknown. And so to me, that's pressure. You've never played in the National Football League. The quarterback you're succeeding had a ton of success last season,

although the last game didn't play well in a regular season against, believe it was the Rams in the playoffs, did not play well in that. So the last two games, Sam Darnold didn't play well, but it has to be pressure considering the type of season that the Vikings had. But man, I think all the pressure is on Aaron Rodgers. Michael Pinnix, no pressure. Justin Fields, it's not gonna be much pressure on Pinnix. Aaron Rodgers, Pittsburgh because of, one, who he is, but two,

Ranna Steelers. Who the stories are, yeah. Their story franchise. They are one of the pillars, foundational franchises of the National Football League So that will be interesting. We had that pressure gonna be on Aaron Rodgers Would that be it said? Appreciate y'all Tuning in another night. Yeah, I'm a sure way

13 and 4 from 1000 2001 to 2008 against the Bengals. Hell no, I'm about to look that up. Look it up. Hell no. 13 and 4. You got 13 games. Get off 13 tries. Hell no, there ain't no way.

I got to, who's, did you look that up or somebody sent it to you? It got sent to me. Might as well got sent to me from sports status. And I don't believe that one. Oh, you do. You know what it is. Go on with this showing, please. Oh my God, that's embarrassing.

Yes, it is. Hey, we put up our points. Damn, it's such a team game. We put up our points. I don't know why you thought y'all were going half the games. That was like crazy. I'm looking that up. I'm looking that up. Matter of thought y'all were going half the games. That was like crazy. I'm looking that up. I'm looking that up. Matter of fact, we ain't going nowhere right now. I'm sorry, y'all.

Bear with me. Could you please send him up? No, I don't need nobody to send me nothing. Go count it up. I'm about to go count it up. Hey, listen, I'm sorry about what we did to you. I'm bouncing right now. Yeah, go count it up. Hey, listen. I'm sorry about what we did to you. I mean, been meaning to tell you. It wasn't nothing personal. It was all, it was just, it was big shit. In the nine, like it's 71 to 40 all the time, but like in the nineties and early in my career, it was unfair.

It was unfair. What? You talking about that kind of thing now? TJ, stop it. That was unfair. It's not like one of my kids, that was unfair, dad. Ooh. Hey. Yeah, look at them numbers, TJ. You see that? Ooh. Hey, yeah, look at them numbers too, Jeff.

You see that? You know how your mind play tricks on you and you start believing things and you see it so much that now the lies that you tell you believe is true? That's where you at. Right. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God. 2001, my rookie year. One my God. Oh my God. My rookie year.

One in one. Two thousand and two. Yeah, one both two thousand and three split two thousand and four. You know, I'm both two thousand and five. We split. And that's it. That's it. Two thousand and six, one in one, seven and eight y'all won both Wow yes we went into

there boy we know we just had on something good boy well guess what that's even worse I'm about to get your ass kicked both games this year because of that I'm making sure that I'm making sure that we play Steelers. I'm going to take my am we better than y'all though. We gonna beat y'all ass this year. We beat our ass this year. We've been y'all ass. We don't get bad. You find out you were 13 to four. Hey, I'm mad. So they they gotta help me So John, I'm here Yeah, man, yeah, I didn't realize it was like that. That's all right. That's all right. Damn Yes, we got when you put your your feet on them on the more on the only towel That was like really it goes down. It was over with from there and then we won that that was in Pittsburgh, too

from there. And then we won that that was in Pittsburgh too. Damn, or it just seemed because the games was close and then we probably just couldn't make a play at the end. Well, it is what it is. I'm sorry, y'all prolonged for that. Yeah, I'm just to make sure you check to make sure that they was taking it. So y'all make sure like we said top right corner You got the link he Mr. James Harrison

And what he's doing? Yeah, make sure y'all like y'all subscribe Tell a friend and tell a friend text them call them whatever you do It's the third night of the Takeover. It ain't the hijack, it's the Takeover of Nightcap. Unc and Chad is TJ and Deebo. We'll see y'all tomorrow. Appreciate it, man.

Take care. 13 and four, wow. Hey, that'll do your whole night off. The Volume. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of 2B. We dive into the competitive world of streaming.

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