Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Travis Kelce returning, will Eagles trade for Myles Garrett?

Episode Date: March 5, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to Travis Kelce announcing he'll be returning for another season with the Chiefs, the Eagles interest in Myles Garrett, and more!03:55 - Travis Kelce returns for another season05:14 - Eagles going after Myles Garrett17:50 - Ben Johnson on Jared Goff24:24 - Ban the tush push?27:38 - What will happen with Tee Higgins?(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm coming back for sure. Gonna try to get back to the best shape I've ever been this offseason and get back to the mountaintop. Got a real bad taste in my mouth with how I played in the last game and how I got the guys ready for battle and I can't go out like that.

I told y'all. I said it wouldn't happen. He was coming back simply for the fact the way it ended. No one is ending their career like that. You know, especially a great one like Trap who's considered, who most consider, including yourself, you know, the greatest tight end of

all time. If I'm going to finish it, I want to finish it the right way. I'm not finishing it with that taste in my mouth. That's not happening. For me, it's him and Gronk. Some people say Gronk. Some people are going to say Kelsey. If you look at the consistency and the longevity

in which he's played with, and with the exception of the last game, that's really the only game that you can say, well, Trav didn't have it. Trav didn't come to play. He had the most catches in playoff history. He had the second most yards, the second most touchdowns, and the consistency year in and year out. The 1,000-yard season, leading his team in receptions.

Yeah, for me, that's it for me. But, hey, if you say Gronk, you got a very compelling argument as well. Ocho, the Eagles are reportedly a real threat to go after Miles Garrett. They expect Josh Sweat to move on. Josh Sweat is not the only one that's be moving on. I think it's Michael Williams, the other D-tackle, he gonna be

going too. He'll be going too. Hey, listen. I saw the reports today. The Browns are willing to negotiate with Myles Garrett. I don't want that. Guess what? My new team going to negotiate too.

Hey, and he said no. He said no, and I'm sure they're probably going to stand firm unless they get an offer that they can't refuse, and I think that's what the Eagles will have to do in order to get Myles Garrett over there. Listen, with Howie and... I don't put a pass on him. I don't put nothing past him.

Based on the way things have been going, you miss a few pieces, but you add someone like Myles Garrett to that defense, man, you already got Jalen Carter. Commander's going to be in play too. Man. Myles Garrett is unwilling to negotiate a contract extension with the organization as his agents have apparently slammed the door shut on any discussions per Mary Kay Cabot.

Listen, when Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Browns, listen, when Diana Rossini, when she speaks about the Jets, when Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, I hope youets. Right. And Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys. I hope you're listening. Yeah. I hope you're listening. When those women speak about an issue about said teams, they're plugged in. Yeah.

I'm talking about plugged in like a hot comb. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Oh, yeah. Most definitely. Most definitely. Garrett remains firm. He no longer wants to be in Cleveland. I'm talking about plugged in like a hot cone. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Oh, yeah, most definitely. Plugged in. Most definitely. Garrett remains firm. He no longer wants to be in Cleveland.

Look, 29-year-old defensive player of the year, 29-year-old guys that have four consecutive 14 sack seasons. Those guys don't grow on trees. And let me ask you this. Do you think there's a guy in the draft that can give you that kind of production over the next five years? Okay. So it doesn't matter where you are i trade him now if i'm if i'm a defense you know if i need something something to shore up my defense uh phil and say we good offensively we can get better defensively and if that means you know we trade a couple of first round draft picks you're probably gonna have to throw in a talent, a young player, Ocho.

You're probably going to have to do that. The commanders, you're probably going to have to do that. But at that point in time, look, I don't care nothing about them picks because I believe, Ocho, we're going to be picking 30th, 31st, or 32nd anyway because we're going to be in the championship game or the Super Bowl. That's what I believe. I know for certain I'm not getting a Myles Garrett with the 30th, the 31st, or the 32nd pick. Now what I believe. I know for certain I'm not getting a Miles Garrett with the 30th or 31st or the 32nd pick. Now, I could.

I could. But the likelihood isn't that good. Normally, those guys, your Derek Thomas, your Bruce Smith, and so forth and so on like that. Those guys, every once in a while, you'll find a Johnny Randall that was an undrafted free agent. But

that doesn't happen often. You'll find a Diamond in the Rough. You'll another draft of free agent. Oh, yeah. But that doesn't happen often. Right. You'll find a diamond in the rough. You'll find a Terrell Davis or Shannon Sharp or Tom Brady in the later rounds. But listen, don't you stake your career on trying to find diamonds in the rough? Oh, no. That ain't what happened. You go belly up.

You go belly up. But look, it all depends on Cleveland, what's your asking price. We know this, Ocho. It's going to take two ones. Now, if it's this draft, you're going to have to pick swap. So you have to, hey, you have to give up your pick because they're keeping theirs. You have to give up this first-year pick and next year's first-round pick, probably a second and a fourth.

Right. Or second and a third. And probably a player. Feeling like we ain't got no problem. Feeling like, look, we're picking 32nd. Guess what? We hope to be picking 32nd next year. And y'all can have it.

Y'all can have them picks'all gonna have to pick yeah most definitely long as long as we get in the results long as we get miles garrett that's uh what jayla hurts in year six you got davante in year in year five you got aj yo man bro i'm not worried about that we gonna be good yeah i'm not even i'm not even I'm not worried about that. We're going to be good. I'm not even concerned about those draft picks knowing where we are, what we have, who we are. Take them. Take them. You can't have Jalen Carter.

You can't have Mikel, Kenyon Mikel. You can't have Mitchell. Yeah, Kenyon Mitchell. you can't have him. Mitchell, excuse me. Yeah, Kenyon Mitchell. You can't have him. Everything else, Ocho, is in play. It's on the table, huh? Yeah. Yeah. For Miles Garrett?

Yeah. You just said, put Miles Garrett with Jalen Carter? And Jordan Davis. Boy, man, slap me, slap me and slap me and call me silly. And,

and you got, uh, uh, uh, Nolan Smith, Jr. Yeah. Hey,

y'all felt only two 30, but he, Hey, he can go. He can go now. Hey, baby. We here? Hey, I heard, I saw him dropping offensive linemen at 230. He hitting 330.

Guys, 330. I know they talking about it felt like trees falling on the head. Ocho, I'm talking about he in the grill. I'm talking about hey, he putting his helmet under they chin. I'm buckling him. At 230.

So, but Miles, for an opportunity to get Miles Garrett, guys like this, Ocho, don't become available at the age of 29. Normally they have issues, off the field issues. They're coming off multiple injuries. Injuries, yeah.

He's uninjured. He's clean off the field. Yeah. That's the kind of guy that you're willing. That's the guy. That's not no rolling the dice, but that's the guy that you say, okay, we'll give up two first rounds. We'll give up a second.

We'll give up a third and a young, talented player to get a guy like that. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me grab water. Let me grab water. Go ahead. But Cleveland's going to try everything, Chad, to try to keep Miles Garrett. They think it's about money.

Miles Garrett's like, bro, y'all just gave me a 125. I'm straight on the money issue. The problem is here, it's not the money, it's the winning. I got money. I'm getting money, but I'm miserable. Week five, we out of playoff contentions. We got no hope. We got no quarterback.

And I don't really want to waste another year or two to try to build this thing back up. He's made it abundantly clear. He don't want to be a part of a rebuilding process. He wants to go somewhere that gives him a legitimate chance in order to win the championship because that's what it's about. He's been an all pro. He's been defensive player of the year.

Now he's like, man, let me go play meaningful ball games. There's nothing like playing meaningful ball games in december and january with a chance to play in february so it's not the money i mean yeah they're gonna they would be willing to make him the highest paid but he's gonna be miserable because they're not gonna win yeah and you you would you would think for all he's done so far in cleveland he's done everything he can they know the team knows the organization knows it's in a rebuilding stage. Why would you keep a player like that? Why would you keep a player like

that knowing that he can do you no justice in competing for a championship? Allow him to go while you rebuild and do your thing. Get some assets and picks for him and start over. I agree. We say that now, Ocho,

because if we the GM at Cleveland, we ain't trying to let him go either. Oh, yeah, you're right. Me and you saying that, that's not the biggest piece of the puzzle that we got that we can trade. Right. Hey, come on, bro.

We're going to make you the highest paid. We got $35 million per year. We're willing to give you five years $175 million because that's what we feel you're worth. And we're willing to fully guarantee $100 million of that.

Nah, I think I'm going to have to go and mosey all out the door. Because guess what? Somebody else will give me that too. And we got a chance to win. Yep. Which is much better because I done got enough money. Well, you can't ever have enough money. Oh, yeah, I know what you mean. There's no such thing as enough, but I'm doing pretty well for myself.

You like to be doing better. I mean, if Elon Musk is worth $450 billion and he's still trying to get contracts, federal government contracts, yeah, me and you, we ain't got no billions. So we definitely tried to make ends meet. You're right about that. But yeah, Miles,

I understand. You're going to own a stomach so much. Money, money, money, money. Okay, when I got money and then here I am, I'm going out there with what I put my body through to get ready to make sure I go. Who is that?

Who is that? What you looking at? I'm looking at this chat. We're trying to get Tank plugged in. Are we good to go, Ash, yet? Okay. It's easy to say Ocho,

money, money, money. But when you're competitive and you see everybody else getting an opportunity to play meaningful football, you see everybody else playing in AFC and NFC championship game.

They're playing in Super Bowl. And here I am. I'm one of the premier players. I don't know what else he can do. And we don't have no chance. We got no chance whatsoever of playing meaningful games in December. We're not playing anything

meaningful in January. Damn near week 10, I'm already thinking about what I'm going to do in the offseason. Season over. So, with that being said, I understand Miles' frustration. He's had it up to here wherever here is or his six four six five self um he just wants to move on and have an opportunity to play

meaningful football in december in january and i'm not so sure cleveland can provide that over the next two years and he says i want to be somewhere where I can compete for a championship. And I don't believe that's in Cleveland. Yeah. Let the man go on about his business, baby. Are you still waiting? He come on, write that down. He come on down the street, know the Cincinnati if you want to. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold,

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that's what stands out the most because that's really the way that this league's going right now, it seems like. As much as you want to make it pure progression, one to two to three, there's just too much variety. The pass rush is coming down, and to have an athlete like Caleb extend the play and potentially find an explosive down the field,

that's what gets me going a little bit. I get excited thinking about that because I haven't really been around that since I've been in the league, but I've been on the other side, and I've experienced it, and it's demoralizing when you're on the other side and you're watching that happen to your defense. That ain't no shot. Yeah, I don't think it's a shot. It's the truth.

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that can extend plays and play off script most of the time. When things break down, you go through progression. One, two, three is not there. Most quarterbacks, that's a sack for Jerry Goff. You know, he's not a mobile quarterback. He's your prototypical dropback quarterback. Go through his stuff.

Check down if it's not there. Caleb Williams can extend plays and therefore make the play calling that much more better for ben johnson who's already creative so he can be able to do that much more look how good golf was with ben johnson calling the plays so imagine what he can do with caleb williams with the creativity from that aspect and if things don't work out well you know what i ain't got the trip because I got Caleb Williams. Who's the dual threat and could use his legs and extend plays for me and

make something happen when there's nothing there. But that's the, and that's the thing. He was asked a question. He says, he's looking forward to playing with a guy that can make plays off script. Right. And he can,

that's what Caleb Williams can do. He can make plays off script. You know, you basically, when you diagram the play, that's the play that's got to get run because that's not what Jared Goff feels, and that's okay. That's okay.

There's nothing wrong with that. They make it seem like, well, damn. So what are the differences? So anybody think he's taking a shot at Jared? If you watch Jared Goff play and you watch Caleb Williams play, what do you think some of the differences are? Ability to make plays outside the pocket,

his scrambling ability, his ability to get off script, ability to change arm angles, arm slots. Okay. I don't, you know, hey, what's the difference between, what's one of the main differences

between Saquon and Derrick Henry? Saquon's a little bit more shifty, a little bit more elusive. What you call him runs with a little bit more power. That's not taking a shot at either one of them. That's just factual. What's the difference between McCaffrey and this one? When McCaffrey is, you know, you can put him in the slot.

You line him up outside. Better catching the ball out of the backfield. A lot of times, they took Derrick Henry out. A lot of times, they took Saquon out on third down. They don't take C-Mac out on third down. So that's not a knock. Just because you're accentuating the differences,

that don't mean you're hating or you're knocking the other guy. You're just accentuating the differences between two said players. Right. I mean, but you know how it is, Ocho, man.

Hey, now everybody feel like you taking a shot at the man. I don't think the man was taking a shot at him. Listen, a coach like that has to be able to explain the differences and what he experienced one place and what he's going to experience at a new place based on that specific position without it being seen in disrespect.

Yeah. Because it's the honest truth. Right. Ocho, he also said he would sacrifice both testicles for the Bears to win a Super Bowl. I already got three kids. What would you sacrifice? First of all, you ain't going to get no wood.

Yeah. Well, you can get some wood. You don't need the testicles to get no... Yeah, you do. Hoo-ha. So how you going to put a popsicle stick up there and hold it like you got a splint? How you going to get a direction? Oh, you take, you take, no, you could take out what allows you to have kids.

Do that. So, no, he said he had his testicles removed. He ain't said nothing about no septum. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know about that. I don't know about that because, yeah, I ain't doing that. I donum. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't know about that. I don't know about that because, yeah, I ain't doing nothing. Hey, I don't tell nobody no trouble.

Hey, I got kid. I'm keeping mine. He gave him to me for a reason. Yeah. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He didn't want me to have him. He wouldn't have gave him to me. You right. Listen, you right about that. I'm with you when you right. Now, listen, I'm picking up what you're putting down. Speaking of kids, I want one more. What you think? Huh? I want one more.

I don't know, Ocho. I ain't got no brain. Hey, you must be, hey, well, damn, I want one more. What you think? Huh? I want one more. I don't know, Ocho. I ain't got no bread. Hey, you must be. Hey, well, damn. I need to go back to ESPN because you talking about another kid. They call money. I ain't got no bread like that. No, I'm just saying.

But listen, I'm not trying to be funny. I've always been humble. You know, I'm a very humble person. I'm very, very respectful. I mean, just with the way things are going right now, man, listen, God has favor. You hear me? Yes. God has favor and

what he's doing for me right now, I think one more won't hurt. You know? I'm going to see how my kids feel about it. If they give me the green light, I'm going to go ahead and do that. Just get it out of the way.

No. Wait, you talking to me? Oh, no, absolutely not, Jordan. Are you typing this? Oh, no. That ain't happening uh what happened no Asher sent me something uh I want to know too

somebody text me why y'all don't ever text me I want to be part two it's a two man show you got your producer do you got a producer over there okay Aaron text me what they just text I just want to feel just want to feel part. Y'all be leaving me out like I'm a stepchild.

Okay, how about this here? Bill's head coach, Sean McDermott, says, Tush Push play should be banned. There's always been an injury risk with that play. The technique used with the play have been potentially contrary to the health and safety of the players. Bill used the play 55 times last year, second most in the league, but internal data shows the tush-push play in 2024 resulted in zero injuries.

Zero injuries. And listen, they don't want to stop it because of the injury. They don't want to stop it because of that aspect. They want to stop the tush-push because they have no way of stopping it in short-yardage situations. Right. they want to stop the tush for us because they have no way of stopping it in short yardage situations right and and really honestly it only works for certain teams with certain players based on their personnel for one the eagles is number one i don't have the statistics in front of me on who else it works for i think it also worked for josh allen too yeah i think they're around 87 88 conversion rate oh my goodness listen i'd want to stop it too but the fact that mcdermott

wants to stop it and he also benefits from it you know how about how about also throwing the rule you know what on on short on short on short downs your quarterback can't run josh allen yeah josh allen can't quarterback sneak you see what that sounds like? Mm-hmm. Come on, man. It's like you're hindering somebody that's better at something than you are. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't learn how to drive. You don't know how to drive.

Hey, anybody that's 16 years of age shouldn't be able to drive. No, just because you can't drive, that don't mean another 16-year-old can. So all that tells you is on first and second down, you need to play better defense. Yep. And keep them out of third and short or fourth and short. I'll tell you what. They keep playing around with all these rules,

and they continue to change the game in which you grew up loving. It's going to look like flag football. I'm telling you. I think the thing is, Ocho, look, the only thing I say is that, because like I said, I told you, I think we talked about this on Monday, is that it used to be said, I told you, I think we talked about this on Monday, is that it used to be you couldn't push the runner.

It was called aiding the runner. Right. So you couldn't, and then they changed the rules. And now I guess they say, well, you can't be behind the line of scrimmage and aid the runner. So I guess if he's down the field, because we see guys, them linemen have been knocking the hell out of people and trying to push somebody in the end zone or for a first down since the beginning of time.

We hadn't seen somebody literally, Ocho, get behind them and push. But when they first saw this, they should have said, no, you're violating the spirit of the rule. And did away with it then. Now, everybody tried it. They're not as good as the Eagles are. Okay, because we can't be as good as the Eagles are at it, let's do away with it. Right.

That's what it seems like to me. And they get a lot of support. A lot of people want to ban it, Ocho. I heard Atlanta, obviously the Packers put it in. You see Sean McDermott here in Buffalo. Do they have enough to get to the 24 boats to get it out? That's the question.

The funny thing about it, it's going to be funny when they do pass it and they're still not able to stop the damn Eagles and show you all the situations. Biggles wide receiver T. Higgins just posted a cryptic message on Twitter. Blue cap. For the second year in a row, Higgins has not received the right contract offer from Cincinnati.

Ocho. What I told you. The Biggles go, hey. What did I tell you they was going to do? What did I tell you they was going to do? I said this. The right was on the wall. Everybody in Cincinnati, they fussed with me. The fans arguing with me

over and over and over and over. We can pay both. We can make it happen. Not understanding the business side of things. What T deserves, what T deserves in understanding

what he can get on the open market, they're not going to do. Right. Because it would be impossible to pay T. It would be impossible to pay Jamar Chase, who's going to be the highest paid and reset the wide receiver market and pay brother Trey Henderson.

You can't. It's impossible. Then people talk about, oh, the cap is going up. Like, no, what are you talking about? They're not tying up all the money in three players, let alone four. Actually, it'll be four players because Burrow got his money. Here's the thing, Ocho, is that they said they want to make Jamar Chase the highest paid non-quarterback.

Okay? Chase is looking to go north of 40. Y'all have an opportunity to keep this in the 30s, but y'all made me play it out. And I won the Triple Crown. So now you're going to have to come in at 40. Okay, $40 million, $500,000, $41 million, whatever the case may be, I'm going to zoom past him by $5 million, $6 million.

That's where I am. And I'm going to need about $90 to $100 of a guarantee. Yeah. That's what I'm looking at Joe real talk listen that's what I knew it was gonna look like that I knew it was gonna look like that when it played itself out last year I kept saying I'm not sure why they're playing because why not

pay him because you understand what you get in Uno you know what you get when that product touches the field on Sundays yes he sat out of the training camp understand what you get in uno you know what you get when that product touches the field on sundays yes he sat out of the training camp he gave y'all every opportunity he gave y'all every opportunity to give him a payday every chance listen i love my bangles but it puts us us again in in a tough spot uh i was hoping they could they could get something done last year they didn't get it done he comes out this year,

performs without having a training camp, wins a Triple Crown, and now look what position we're in. T. Higgins has another strong season. I said it. What he can get on the open market, whatever deal they're going to send him, they're going to try him.

They're going to try him, which is why he sent that out. I don't know if it was what Duke Tobin came out and said about not only making them trying to sign all three of them. I think that's where the cap came from. Yeah, you're trying to sign him, but somebody got to get the low end of the stick. And who did I tell you it had to be? It had to be Teague. Teague looked at the crack, that $30 million. And I don't know if they can get to that number

no I guarantee the offer was very disrespectful again it's the business side of things but hey nobody wanted to listen to me what y'all gonna do Wachow listen I don't know what we gonna do I don't know what we gonna do now i don't i don't i don't

know what we're gonna do and i think it would have been a little easier if we had jermaine burton on point you know from a mental you know mentally off the field on the field if he was able to contribute uh based on the talent that i know he has based on what i saw from him and at alabama i think they would be a little bit more comfortable, you know, with allowing T to go and get what he deserves somewhere else on the open market. But the fact that I don't think Mr. Burton has has has matured enough, you know, to to be able to to let T go. You know, in that sense, I know T ain't from the state and play on no franchise tag again. That's that would be the ultimate disrespect. Allow him to go get the value and what he deserves,

and he worked his, you know what, his tail off. Yep, I agree. And what you calling ain't going to give you no discount either? Trey Hendrickson. Oh, no. No. I mean, so what? You're going to have a $55 million quarterback,

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