Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc and Ocho react to Shedeur Sanders practicing with the backups and not the starters

Episode Date: June 13, 2025

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There are so many stories out there and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or As the Cleveland Brown quarterback competition progresses into mandatory mini-camps, Shador Sanders has often found himself practicing with the backups, while team other passers Placko, Pickett, and Dylan Gabriel have received first-team reps. Shadour said he's unbothered by practice reps instead of looking to take advantage of every opportunity to get. Life is just based on how you view different things.

So you can view things if you're not getting reps in a negative way, or you can view it as, okay, it's my time to get out there. Let's be proactive and let's get warm. Let's get going. So there's no excuses because when you get out there, nobody cares how many reps you got, whatever you got in the game. Nobody cares if you took a snap before. Everybody cares about production. So that's the main thing when you get out there, you got to be able to produce. Oh Joe. See, I love this response. See now you got me questioning whether or not he was unprepared when he came to those meetings. I think y'all tried to salt that man up.

I've only heard responses like this. All the press conferences. Yeah, yeah. I mean when he was in college, you know, he was a little facetious at times, but I didn't never, I never got the inclination that he was unprepared. If the one thing that he was going to be is prepared, his father prepared him. He understands his dad, although he didn't play quarterback, he understood what comes along with playing the quarterback. Right. I just love the way he's answered that question. He's answering the questions perfectly. And the funny thing about it, I got a couple of young bulls out there.

You know, I told the Denzel Ward, you know, I told some, but let me, damn, I can't say the name. But anyway, I done told some people he looked different. There's a difference when that young boy is out there spinning that ball, you hear me? Mm-hmm, difference. I'm talking about football. I ain't talking about no media and all that hoopla and all them, you know, on Twitter,

they putting up the numbers. Some of you with 10 for 12, for two touchdowns. I'm talking about when he's at the helm, he looks different, whether he going with the first team, second team, or third team. It don't matter, you know? I understand getting drafted in the fifth round. All that means nothing when it's time to play football

in that whistle blows. He looks different than the rest of the competition. That's what I heard. And I'm talking from, not by the word, I'm just talking about from sources that's in that room, that's on that field, that's playing the sport. Man, come on man. This is something that I can relate to. Yeah. You can't relate to this. You're a second round draft pick, so you probably had worse case scenario. You were running with the second,

the twos, as soon as you stepped foot in the camp. But if somebody that was a seventh round draft pick and that was with the third, fourth, 15, the last guy to get a rep, some days, Ochoa, I get one rep. What? I get one rep. That's all I got. Chance? That's it. That's it. Why would you cut up? Well, you got me, man, shit.

I just remember having a conversation with my brother. My brother would tell me, it's like, man, how's it going? I said, spring, man, I ain't... Man, they ain't gonna... I got like one rep, I got like two reps, I ain't even get in today. He said, don't worry about that. He said, one day John Elway gonna call on you.

Yes, sir. Just make sure when he calls on you, you answer. Just make sure you're where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there. That's all he told me. He ain't said, aw, man, they messing over you. He never said, hey, you know what you can do. Now you're gonna get your opportunity.

It's gonna come. Yeah. And when it comes, slowly but surely, I'm with the threes, slowly but surely, I'm with the twos. Come on now. Hey, now all of a sudden, hey Sharp, get in there. I'm in the slot, but I'm running with the ones.

Oh, okay. get in there. I'm in the slot, but I'm running with the ones. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. So make the team mainly special teams, but you know, Hey, they call it. He wants somebody. It's a, we ran the ball a bunch. So, you know, I'm big receiver. I'm blocking, you know, Hey, it didn't matter.

I'm blocking for sure. Brought a lot, you know, Eddie Anderson, all of them big time, big time hitters. But that's the only thing that my brother told me. He didn't tell me, they messing over me. All he said is like, you know what? John Elwood, we're gonna call your number one day. Just make sure you answer. And I was like, I would go ask John,

man, what can I do better, man? I just wanna be like, when you call him, I wanna be there. He's like, hey, just make sure you get your head around. Make sure you get your depth on your route, blah, blah, blah. You know, we run certain drills. He's like, hey, I like that. I like that effort.

Slowly but surely. So if I could give, I can't give you no advice how to play the quarterback position, but I'll say, just keep doing that. Yeah. Just keep doing what you're doing. That's all you got to do. And people are like, man, you always turn it in.

I said, no, what I try to do is that in situations where Ocho and I, we try to do is that if we've been in those situations before, we can tell you how we handle it. We can go inside because you're talking to people that was in the huddle. Not somebody, I didn't cover the game. I cover the game now. But you're talking about somebody that was in the huddle. Not somebody, I didn't cover the game. I cover the game now, but you're talking about somebody that was in the huddle.

Know what it's like on fourth and three. There's no what it's like when it's first and goal and you're down six. So I ain't telling what somebody told me to say. I'm telling you through firsthand knowledge. Yeah. Firsthand knowledge. Being in the locker room, being in those meeting rooms.

I love what Shadoor said. Yeah. First hand knowledge, being in the locker room, being in those meeting rooms. I love what should do or said. I love the way he's handling it. I don't know when that time will come. Oh Joe. Yeah. Cause the man say, you don't know when I'm coming. He said, you best make sure you be right when I return. Sure door doesn't know when the opportunity will present itself.

He gonna be ready. Hey I want to get back to this one rep man. Now that's that's stuck with me out of everything you know said because but they boy bow to raise hell. You hear me? Coach I'm a seventh round draft pick I'm a body. Oh shit okay my bad. Yeah if I was the first round draft pick and I ain't getting but one rep or second round draft pick yet I'm I'm gonna have some issues too but I'm a seventh round draft pick and you know the thing is with me I played one I played I played I was the Z receiver yeah so now you know Ocho you come in as a rookie you see you slot you X They throw you in a couple of plays a tight row can I learn let me learn one thing right?

Come on now. Let me let me let me I'm trying to write cursive and you try to get me to do trigonometry, huh? man One rep two reps. Oh Joe. That's all we are there for two hours You know, hey, everybody else getting called to get in there. Hey Turner, get in there. Johnson, get in there. Young, get in there. Everybody get in there. Last place, Sharp, get in there at the Z.

Man, listen. Let me tell you something. Oh, let me take that back. It was called, it was not called as the, it was called the Wing. Right. Sharp, you had the Wing. Hey, you gotta think.

And to that, man, TJ was on here with us. Remember he told you? Yeah. I take it, I was taking Scout, I'm talking about 2005, 2006, I'm talking about my whole career. I ran our plays and I ran scout team. Right.

I'm, I would purposely, the gunner on special teams, I would purposely go on special teams just to keep myself running through the whole practice. And I purposely took the scout team, whoever the number one receiver based on who we plan. Let's say we plan a Jag, you know, we plan a Jags. I'm Jimmy Smith take the scout team, whoever the number one receiver, based on who we plan. Let's say we plan a Jags. You know, we plan a Jags. I'm Jimmy Smith on the scout team. And I'm taking every rep, because now I get to work with the number one DB on our team and give him good work so he'd be ready for Jimmy or Keenan McCar, Keenan McCar there on Sunday. Yep. And I'm, man, Marvin and Hugh Jackson would have to pull me

the F out of practice. But you know, Ocho in training camp, it ain't really no scout team. It's ones versus ones. Ones. Yes. Yes. You don't really get to the scout team until like that first preseason game. Because now, okay, offense you going against the twos. Defense going going against the two offense, things like that. And then obviously when you get into the regular season, the scout team, you know, go to give that. So yeah, once the regular season came, yeah, I was, that's me, I followed the ball.

Right. Whoever had been the best receiver, it was Tim Brown. I'm Tim Brown, I'm Slim Brown. Yeah. And you know what I'm saying? Oh, Timmy, man. That's the same thing. Rod Smith came in, he said, man,

his walk was right across from mine. And he absorbed everything of everybody that was under the office that I've ever been around. Rod Smith probably was probably my greatest student because he absorbed everything. He said, man, I just want, I said, he said, man, I want that. I said, what you, what? He said, man, I just want, I said, he said, man, I want, I want that.

I said, what you, what? He said, man, the way crowd cheer you, the way everybody respects you. He said, I want that. I said, I tell you what, when the scout team come, whoever the best receiver is, you get that jersey. I don't care if you're X, I don't care if you're Z. You get that jersey and you go out there

and when they say, hey man a man slip you bust their ass Hmm. I like that first The first time books got him again, we play in Washington in Denver Three by one we down Hold on. We get he's an ex receiver. They put him to the side by himself by yourself He got their agree matched up on him. John throwing the football.

He jump over Darryl Green and catch it. We win the game. Oh, raw. What raw? You talk to raw lately? Yeah, yeah. I talk to Puss all the time. Yeah, yeah. Him, you know, I still, it's a few guys I stay in touch with a lot obviously burns

I talked to house who's my backup tight end chalk. I was another backup tight end foot, but you know It's a few guys. I still keep in touch with yeah, but But that's what I tell guys and a lot of you, you know They say there are conspiracy theories circling that Cleveland trying to force the early pigs Yeah, they're gonna do everything they possibly can because they draft. They don't want to look bad, don't you? If I draft Gilling Gabriel, how did I draft Shadour? And Shadour outplays him, but that makes me look bad. If he gets in there, I signed Kenny Pickett as a free agent. If he gets in there and he outplayed performance Kenny Pickett, that makes me look bad. So I'm going to give these guys every opportunity to succeed.

Because I don't want y'all to make me look bad. So you can say, oh yeah, we didn't have this grade on him. Don't matter the grade. Cause at the end of the day, you got to play. You can get that guy A plus or B, whatever the case may be. But when we get in there, yeah, so I'm gotta give All right, but in some good days boy, oh yeah But I love I love the way she door at answer the question he's like look

First team second team 13 when they call my name. I'll be ready Cuz they don then nobody care. Didn't nobody care that, hey, all the tight ends got hurt and they put a seventh round draft pick in there from Savannah State. Ain't nobody care nothing about that. All they saw was number 81, Sharpe, man that's Sterling's brother.

I wonder if he's as good as his brother. Hell, if I was, they'd better have to tell, they took me in the seventh round and I'm just as good as my brother? Somebody do some poor ass scouting. But I thought I was, Ocho, you couldn't tell me I wasn't as good as my brother. I broke all his records.

I did everything that he did, everything he did. Now, was he more physically, like, I was more talented. He was a harder worker. So once I got to college, I'm like, man. I'm like, man, scouts ain't really come, because he was telling me, man, we had all the scouts from every team,

I think the time was like 2018, 2017. Every scout was here today. I said, oh yeah, y'all have your scouts? He's like, no, we have no scouts down here. So I know the opportunity. So I got to do something to make the scouts come. Right. That's it.

Should do or keep doing what you're doing, bro. I love it. I know your dad dealing with some health problems right now, but you've gone through adversity before. When you did Jackson State and your dad had those blood clots, you built for this. You are absolutely 1000% built for this. Head up, pray it up, stay up.

Stay up. Stay up. So, Ocho, Pooka Nakua is an IG name, Pooka is dead, because his mom discovered that he had Instagram in the eighth grade and changed the name. My mom, eighth grade, my eighth grade year, didn't know I had Instagram. My mom found my Instagram IG and changed it. She made it, Pooka is dead to let me know I was in trouble.

Yeah. What was the most memorable time you got caught, Ocho? Oh man, listen, honestly, I don't know if I told this story. The most memorable time I got caught, it had nothing to do with obviously back then. I was young. It's man, I had the nerve. My grandma and my grandfather, they done went to church and I had the nerve to pull that goddamn car.

I had the nerve to pull one of their cars out the driveway. You know, we had an old steel fence back in the day. The old steel fence that slide back. Yeah. Let it open and put the car in reverse I'd never forget it was a 500 500 bins, but it was diesel. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Oh old school I done pulled a goddamn car at the driveway backwards and don't know how to drive and don't know how to Differentiate how far I am from the rip from the from the rails man

I don't put the goddamn right fender on the rail trying to get out. So I'm thinking, well, if I just keep going, it's gonna loosen itself. I done ripped the whole, I done. You ripped the bump off. The whole right front bump off. Man, let me tell you, them people came home from church,

boy, I ain't never got wore out like that ever again. Oh yeah. I never got wore out like that ever again. Oh yeah. Never got wore out like that ever again. Never had a whooping like that ever. From both of them. Both of them. Never again. Man, how y'all coming from church,

but y'all beat me like the devil. Yeah. Yeah, we already, we done told the Lord forgive us for our sins, we already know we gonna do something when we get home. I will never forget that day ever. Oh, yeah Man, but you know what? Oh Joe Them old people didn't play man. Uh-huh. They didn't play man Boy, like I say the bet the worst whipping I ever got from my grandfather is that

We were going fishing all of my cousins had done came down, we was going fishing. My grandma was gonna get off. My grandma worked from seven to three. So by the time my sister go get, no, Libby wasn't driving then. She was driving, but she didn't have, I don't think she had license then.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All my cousins, Arnel, Eugene, Lanny, me, Spanky. We all gonna go fishing. We're the oldest Grants. So we always gonna go fishing that Saturday. Grant ain't get no baits. Everybody done done, Ocho. I done got me a milk. I already know we going fishing.

That was our thing Saturday. I done got a milk jug done cut a half or two. Hey, they got me some good old wet dirt. I'm down there in the ditch. I'm digging them jumping jacks, losing out, you know, red wigglers, whatever y'all want to call them. If you're from the South, you go fishing, you know about them. Oh Joe, I'm telling you, I got them. Oh Joe, when I say I got it. Oh Joe when I say I got them base I got I'm talking about if you don't went to the store

As many base I had it probably cost you three dollars three dollars in 1975 76 with a lot of damn money. Yes, sir. So Louisiana pinks cost you the most money They were long long base and like I said, if you go fishing, you know what I'm talking about. Louisiana Pink, they had regular wigglers, jumping jack, night parlor, whatever you want to call them. You get crickets, you can get sawyer worms,

you can get a... What was the other kind of? Well, we go find an old rotten stump and we get those grub worms out of there, we fit you with those two of chose. So you know me. So I done got my thing, everybody, you know, we go find an old rotten stump and we get those grub worms out of there. We fit you with those two Ocho. So you know me. Hey. So I done got my thing. Everybody, you know, my brother and them, they got a little better. They ain't got like I got. Cause I got them. Cause you know me Ocho. I'm the youngest.

I gotta have the most. Papa done bought me a cane pole. Them got me a cane pole for a quarter. Your boy good. Ah, I'm good. I'm a, I'm a. I'm, I'm. You know what I'm saying, don't you? I'm gonna pull up here.

Yeah. So we get to the lake. We ride in the back of the truck. We get out, my cousin them jump out, they scatter, they gone. She had to give me your base. Nah, granny ain't gonna be able to do that. You know, she didn't want to give me, she's like, she like, boy, give me them base.

I said, no, granny. Barney. Yeah. That boy won't give me them babes. Huh? Nah, Barney, I told him, I told him to give me them babes. He said no, he wasn't giving them to me. Ocho I don't know what possessed me to say no.

I don't know to this day. Wait why she wanted your bass though? She didn't have any and she instead of instead of instead of like taking some from my cousin's mem she wanted mine because I was the youngest I couldn't have been no more than five or six. Right. She wanted mine, because I was the youngest. I couldn't have been no more than five or six.

Right. But hey, hey. Aw, man. You told ya, huh? Man, that joke beat me so bad, Ocho, I didn't even want to fish no more. Man, Ocho, I thought, man, I thought the back of the truck.

I didn't want to fish, that is it. I started, Ocho, because I used to get mad. I was a poor sport. I used to get mad. Like, my brother make me mad. Hey, I started throwing rocks, because I used to get mad. I was a poor sport. I used to get mad. Like my brother make me mad. Hey, I started throwing rocks in the water. Boy, my grandma, boy, you better stop throwing rocks. They gonna fish scatter?

Yeah. Boy, stop talking. I'll be talking. My grandma said, boy, stop talking. You gonna scatter fish away. I'm like, you can't hear they underwater. I can't hear nothing underwater. How can they hear?

Man, I get mad. Man, Ocho, that joke will beat me so bad. Ocho, I ain't even fish. That's it. Forget that. Well, that's classic. But you know, the Mopi, they ain't play back then. They bust their lot.

I was surprised. It really surprised me that I said no and she didn't do nothing because my grandma didn't play either. My grandma get close to you, hit you there in your mouth. Quick, pop. Quick back mouth quick quick backhand I never forget that backhand okay you know if you got a thousand square foot I mean it the house ain't but so big my grandma be a man spanking be in the living room and Granny be in the kitchen cooking.

And I would say something and Granny say, I sure wish I was close to that boy so I could hit him in his mouth. You know, hey, and what got you in trouble, Ocho? Yeah. I think Jamaicans and Caribbean people call it kissing your teeth. We call it sucking your teeth.

Yeah. What? Caribbean people call it kissing your teeth. We call it sucking your teeth. Yeah. Well, grandma, I get you something. All right. All right. You play if you want to. And stop it. Boy, dude, take it. You better not slam my goddamn door.

Oh, I remember them bitches. When I sit back and think about it, man, I think about all the times I've gotten in trouble, all the times I've gotten beaten. But I'd do anything. I swear to God, I'd do anything to hear my mama curse me out one more time. And I'd do anything to hear my grandma say, chatty, to have her scream chatty real loud, right when them light poles come on out there

in Liberty City, when they come on, and she would scream my name just to make sure I'm in the area, to let you know what's happening. Why do we have to hang here, just to have them two moments again. You don't think about it at the time, Ocho, that you're gonna miss those moments. You just like, man, I can't wait to get grown

and get away from here. I'm tired of all this yelling, I'm tired of all this screaming, I'm tired of all these ass cuttings. I just, hey. And I didn't get a whole lot, because I was the youngest. I didn't get a whole lot, I didn't get a... But the ones, there are some times I got something I didn't think I deserved.

I deserved them, now looking back at it. He-he-he-he-he. But you know, when you're five, six, seven years old, you don't think you deserved no, boy, please. And, but you like, like I said, Ocho, it took all that. It took all of that to get us to where we needed to go. Cause that's where they, there's no doubt in my mind. My grandmother didn't know me and my brother

was going to turn out to be professional athletes and accomplish what all I knew. I don't think my grandmother, and we didn't want that, my grandmother dropped out of school in like the second grade. Grandfather dropped out in the second grade. School wasn't big on them. You know, like, hey, son, justathers dropped out of the second grade. School wasn't big on them.

You know, like, hey, son, just don't be no dummy. Yeah. Okay, that wasn't gonna take much, but I look back at that time and me and Spanky, Spanky, my brother, we'd get on the phone and we'd just talk about that and say, man, you remember that? I said, yeah, do I remember it?

He's like, man, you remember everything. Is that it? Did you forget anything? I'm like, no, not really. Not really, because it was just him and I. Yeah. Just him and I. And like you said, Ocho,

I don't know if I wanna go back because that was hell back then. Yeah. It was hell. The limitless resources that we had. We had love, but food was on short supply. You know, love was in abundance. We, you know.

Right. Boy, I would, whew. But I would give anything for my grandfather and my dad to actually, physically, I know they're spiritual, I know they're soft, but to physically see what me and my brother became. Just one game, have my dad, my grandfather there, have my dad on the sideline, have my dad come in the locker room, have papa see, see what we became.

Cause I remember one night, it was probably about 1970, probably about 1975. Yeah. Might've been early, might've been 74. Like I said, I slept with granny, Spanky slept with papa. Spanky slept on the back of papa, I slept on the back of granny.

And they were talking, it had to be about two o'clock in the morning. And I remember like yesterday, he was like, Mary, she was sleeping. He's like, yeah, Barney. He said, Mary, I'm gonna probably be dead and gone. But them two little fellas gonna make something. Mm-hmm.

She say, yeah Barney, they some smart, they some good fellas, they ain't like our boys. He say, yeah Mary, I'll probably be dead and gone. He say, but, Mary, I'll probably be dead and gone. He said, but that little one, he said, that little one don't forget nothing, Mary. You talking about me. Yeah. And I did, I heard everything my grandfather said.

Everything, my grandfather, my grandfather, my grandmother, you know, back then on your day, by the back of your head, you know, you was right down to, hey, come on, come on, boy. So it was, back there though, Chode, they by the back of your head, you know, you write down, hey, come on, come on, boy. So it was, they didn't, I don't remember, my grandfather died in 77, so I was almost nine, I was eight years old, I was about to be nine, he died in February, I'd have been nine that June.

I don't think my grandfather ever called me by name. It was always boy or son. Boy. Boy, I mean, that's what old people called you then, they didn ever called me my name. It was always boy son. Boy? Boy. I mean, that's what old people called you then. They didn't call you your name. Hey boy, come here. Hey son, come get this. Hey, Libby, where them boys at?

Okay, take these to the boys. I miss that. I miss that. Granny got an opportunity to see it. She came to my last game at Savannah State. Yeah. She got an opportunity to witness it. You know, she came she came to my last my last game at Savannah State Yeah, she got an opportunity witness. She came to my college graduation. She came to my high school graduation She got a witness a lot of things obviously my mom still alive. So my mom got to go to everything

Right, but if I could just my dad and my grandfather Barney Porter Come on my dad my my grandfather He was alive. I think he saw. Yeah, he died in 90. No, no, no, no, no, he died before then. He died when I went to college. Yeah. Cause I remember the last time I saw him alive,

I ended up taking my, I took my girlfriend from college up there to Reesville. Ah boy, that was some time though, Joe. You won't catch Joe Flacco dancing on TikTok anytime soon. Flacco chimed in on players getting on TikTok and doing dance moves saying, no TikTok dances. This generation, the fact that people want to get out their phones and show people, like, that's embarrassing.

You're an adult, like, be's embarrassing. You're an adult. Like, be an adult. I can't wrap my head around that. Ocho, you big in the TikTok, Ocho? No, my kids are huge. My kids are huge on TikTok. I have a TikTok. I don't know how to work it,

so all I do is I use TikTok as if it's a GQ magazine. You right. That's it. It's literally, hey, matter of fact, hey, chat. Me, everybody in the chat, follow my TikTok. All I do is I use TikTok as if it's a GQ magazine. Right. That's it. It's literally, hey, matter of fact, hey chat, I mean, everybody in the chat, follow my TikTok. Matter of fact, let me type it in the chat. Hey, y'all follow my TikTok,

cause I don't know how to work it. Well, what are you gonna do if you don't know how to work it? What are they gonna follow you for? I just post pictures and be fly, that's it. I just post pictures and be fly. Aren't you supposed to do something on TikTok? It's supposed to be like for video, but I don't know how to work it.

They people know how to edit and do all, I don't know how to do all that stuff. Yeah, I don't know how to do all that. Ash wants to know who is a bigger curmudgeon, Flacco or Shannon? A bigger who? What was that word? Cremudgeon.

What that mean? Huh? What Cremugin mean? That's good. I can't tell you. We're gonna ask you to spell it next time. Cranky, grouchy. Me. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Flacco, Flacco, Flacco, old head now, huh? He what? How old Flacco? 30, 30 and a half? Probably 40.

Yeah, you know, Flacco, he not, he not with that. He ain't with that. Understandable, though. Understandable. Oh, oh, oh, Cho. Keeon White kept be short and sweet on the big difference between the Patriots this season. He said, now I feel like I have a coach. We what, well, with that, with that, I mean, what's that supposed to mean? You dating somebody and she say, nah, I feel like I got a man in my life. And the last person she dated was you.

What that's supposed to mean? I'm sure she lying. The same thing if you say, hey, now I got, now I feel like I got somebody that hears me. I got somebody that listened to me. I got somebody that that's my best best that got your boy. Hey, I don't like that I don't like what brother brother brother Dion said I don't like the key on

Key, I was a key on white key on white Hey, I don't mean to be rude. Hey, man, that man that man. I Mean I don't hey, that's that's uncalled for I don't know what he mean, I don't, hey, that's uncalled for. I don't know what he meant because I don't like to speculate, Ocho, but you know how it's going to be perceived. Right, I know how it's going to be perceived, you know, but I know when it comes to on field play, you know,

sometimes it's okay, sometimes, you know, you have coaches that elevate your players play. Then you have players, regardless of who your coach is, you do what gotta be done once you're in between them lines. There's two different types of players. Like, you know how you could talk about quarterbacks? They need a supporting cast, and then there are quarterbacks

that can elevate the people around them. Now, which player are you? Now, depending on the player that you are, you know, who's coaching you really don't matter because you're going to handle your business anyway. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't like them words though. I don't, I don't like, I don't like that. I was always a guy, Ocho.

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shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the You vs. You podcast. I'm Lex Perero, and every week we sit down with some of the biggest names in entertainment to talk about the real stuff, the struggles, the doubts, and the breakthroughs that made them who they are. We go deep, flowing childhood trauma, family, overcoming loss, and the moments that shaped their journey.

These honest conversations are meant to take the cape off our heroes, with the hope that their humanity inspires you to become a better you and therefore set you free to live the life of your dreams. Here's a sneak peek. I'm trained to go compete. I'm trained to go harder. But sometimes that mentality stops you from stopping and smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated. Our family migrated here.

I'm like second generation. smelling the flowers in your own garden. Is it wrong to want more? We migrated, our family migrated here. I'm like second generation. Who's not going to have a trauma coming from a foreign country and you arrive in the United States and you don't speak English? Listen to You Versus You as part of Michael Tudor podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Stephanie Diggs had high praise for Mike Brayboy saying, I can tell he was a part of championship teams.

I'm a huge fan of him. I can't wait to play for him. He got that itch. Like you want to run through a wall for him. Look, when he was at Tennessee, all the guys love play. Some coaches, Ocho, you love playing for. It's really that simple. Sometimes you just love playing for.

You just do. Yeah. Hey, you know what's funny? If you look at the internet, I'm not even playing no more. And I could tell you that coaches I probably run through a wall for right now. Sean McVeigh, Shanahan, Mike Tomlin, Keith Carroll, brother Vable. Great. Mike.

Mike. I'm trying to think. I played against him, Mocho. You did? I did. You know, he was a Steelers first. He was a Steelers first. That's right. That's right. He sure was. He He was a Steelers first. He was a Steelers first. That's right.

That's right. He sure was. He sure was a Steelers first. I mean that's just that's five players. I'm talking about players coaches. Players coaches that can relate to you and understand exactly what you going through. Ryan Thomas would definitely be one of my favorite. He'd probably be the first coach Andy Reid Yeah, oh, you know, you know I left off would it got damn Dan Campbell boy, yeah, yeah, yeah Well, you might keep you keep to geek though, yeah, I can't be geeked always through the week Oh Joe Hey, listen, right. Listen Well, I couldn't play for that Lions team right now.

Why I got my coach talking shit to? Oh, yeah. Ain't no teller. Ocho. Yeah. We're in the clear. Nikki saw our apology, and she tweeted, LOL. Well, we got a funny little rap bar out of it.

Thank you, Shannon, because I was like, shit, shit, what I done did now? You never cleared it up with the bar, so I had to avenge them. Ocho, you know it's a whole lot of love for life, but you know you laugh when I hurt it. You know, listen, that's a friend of mine, been a friend of mine for a very long time.

Obviously that whole young money side, but I'm glad things are sorted out. I'm glad things are sorted out. Now this is a step in the right direction. Yeah! And hoping, and I'm gonna tell, I'd listen, I'd have said that word in the cyst, like, getting her to come on, come on, come on,

on home club, say, have a nice sit down, hash out your differences, talk about everything come on, on Club Shae Shae, have a nice sit down, hash out your differences, talk about everything she has going on. And then I have to ask. Nicky, when you have an album dropping, come on, come on, sit on down. Yeah.

Everybody, normally people that have projects coming out, they come sit down, we talk about it, you get to tell your story without interruptions, so. Yeah, I like it, I like it. That's dope. I like it too. That's dope. A guy posted a video with a caption, when it's your first time getting a section in the club,

but the math ain't mathin'. Watch this video, Ocho. Prices? Oh, he comparing the price. So he's praying the price. He's playing the price like, okay, if I would have bought it at the store versus what it's like in the club. Oh, they mark that thing up 300% bro. Absolutely.

I mean, if you could buy a bottle at a bottle of wine, say you buy a bottle of wine for $50. It's $300 in the club, excuse me, or the restaurant. Or you buy a bottle, $50 bottle, it's $400, $500 in the club. Cause guess what? You're in that store. And if you want a drink, you got to pay that price. Listen, I don't understand how people do it, Uncle. I understand the markup. Listen, I don't understand how people do it, Uncle. I understand the markup.

Listen, and markups are in everything. Everything, whether it be clothes, whether it be jewelry, in the club, shoes. It's just, but in the club, with my understanding, the markup on alcohol is outrageous. Well, that's where you make your money at, Ocho. And then they go in there, they buy a bottle after bottle, bottle after bottle,

and then you have something I see on Twitter and I see on Instagrams, you got certain dudes that go into the club and spend all this money, and they have bottle wars, huh? To see who's gonna spend the most money on alcohol, and then they be pointed out. Yeah, I ain't never been one of those guys.

What kind of, man, what is y'all, what are we gonna- We gonna compete, but it's gonna be, it's gonna be on the field. It's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be, so I don't compete trying to spend the most money. I'm good, you win. Hey, Uncle, it makes no sense. It doesn't.

It does not. Who you trying to impress? And it beats me. It beats not. Who you trying to impress? It beats me. It beats me. I just... Damn, man. I don't know. Maybe I don't understand it because I don't drink alcohol.

Maybe that's the problem. I don't understand it. So it's hard for me to wrap my mind around going to a club, having a section, buying bottles, having them come out with the sparklers and you know the, it's just, everybody has advice. I'm sure people look at me and say, well, your black ass smoke cigars. Hey, did McKenna Martin send you them cigars yet?

Nah. Oh, nah. How are we going to send them to them? What address? I don't know what, I mean, somebody might have got him. Somebody might be smoking on him. I don't know, but hey, listen, you know what? Me and Kenyan, we gonna have a tussle.

We gonna have a tussle. I don't really wanna do nothing to him, because that's my boy. I love Kenyan, but that's my boy. But I might have to put him in a guillotine. Time now for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q&A. Oh yeah. Yeah.

Alright. Oh, you still up? Okay, back. Kemper Norwood Jr. said, uh, which rapper duo would you choose from? Little Wayne and Gorilla? Or Lil Baby and Cardi B? Is this a trick question Kemper? That's a light. What were you going? Man stop. I'm asking Okay, little Wayne and Ash Little Wayne Ash. Yeah

Who you taking? Hold on. Give me, give me, give me. Which rap duo would you choose from? Lil Wayne and Glowrilla or Lil Baby and Cardi B? I'm going with Wayne. I'm going with Wayne. Duh! Listen, ain't nothing wrong with Lil Baby and Cardi now.

They- Look here,, a goat. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. You ain't got to tell me. I've been in the lab with Wayne now. What you talking about? Yeah. And I like Glow.

I like Glow real up country ass. Hey, hey, Glow funny boy. Hey, Glow funny. Don't get me, hey, let me clarify. Cause everybody goes, now they gonna run tell Cardi B, Shannon like Gorilla Betty like you. I had Glow on the show.

Yeah. She was unbelievable. Yeah, Glow was funny. She was great. She's funny. Shared her story. So, cause you know now, Ocho, if you say you like somebody,

that means you hate somebody else. Right. Ocho, you like bananas? Man, Ocho hate oranges. No, he just said he like bananas. That don't mean he hate oranges. Right. Oh Joe, you like bananas? Man, oh Joe, oh Joe hate oranges. No, he just said he like bananas. That don't mean he hate oranges. Yeah. You see? So now if you if you like something, that means you got to hate. No, that's not. But if I had to choose, you gave you gave me two choices. You got A or B. I choose A. That doesn't mean I hate B. That just means I chose A. I think A is better. You right, I mean.

Well, you gotta have a clarification now, Ocho. Yeah, I mean, you do. People like to take things that wrong with it. Oh, you bought a car? Oh, oh, so you don't like Mercedes, huh? Oh, cause I bought a BMW, that means I don't like Mercedes. Or I bought a gas car, that don't mean I don't like Mercedes or I bought a gas car. That'll mean I like EVs So

Ocho James Ravallo said Ocho two million subs by the weekend and hey you give money to somewhere from the chat Give money to somebody from the chat, the hell you say? Give Unk money to Unk, how about that? I got you, I got you, that's a good one though, I like that, I like that. I like that. Nick Mar said, I feel bad for that rookie, Sensei.

If Ocho represents Sensei, we know they don't pay right. You know what, Ocho? You just like the Bengals. They done rubbed off on you. They don't want to pay their players, you don't want to pay me. That ain't got nothing to do with it. It do.

You a representation of Cincinnati. I am, I am. Like if I cut myself right now, I bleed black and orange. You hear me? Well, I would make sure they get somebody get, I'm gonna call 911 so they can get you, so they can get over there and save you so I can get my 5900.

You got to understand. See, Mike Brown and Katie and Troy, they run a billion dollar enterprise, you know? I ain't got that kind of money. It's different. So they run their business a little bit different. So I got to hold on to mine until I get extra. When I got extra, then I can send you yours.

See how that work? What do I gotta do with me? The hell? Chad, how that work? So you owe somebody, so you owe your car, so you got a car payment or you got a mortgage. So you tell the mortgage company, you know what, I ain't got that.

So when I get extra, I'll pay you. They say, okay, let's 60 days pass and you ain't got that extra. We got something for you. Yeah, that's different. I like that, that's different though. How that different? The mortgage company want their money, I want mine.

Okay, I got you, I'm gonna send it to you. You know, added interest anyway, so I got you. I'm Blynd for real, said Love you, Uncle Ocho. Great show. We appreciate that. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy said, Hey fam, can y'all please give me birthday shout out to my amazing son, Xavier. I can't believe he's 29 years old. Thank you. Love. X!

Happy birthday, man. I know your mom and dad are extremely proud. Great parents, man. Your mom and dad have dad extremely proud. Great parents, man. Your mom and dad have been so supportive. We greatly, greatly appreciate that, Doc. I appreciate you. You've been loyal, been down from the very... I remember seeing Dr. Frank L. Bellamy looking down and seeing it. Our first show, we lied that Sunday, that Sunday, Ochoa, when I was in New York. And I looked down and I saw Dr. Frank L L Bellaman, she's been, I mean, she came to the Vega show. She came to the Atlanta show. She came to the new Orleans show and on most nights she's in here faithfully.

So doc, thank you so much for your support and happy birthday. Xavier. Hopefully you had a great birthday. Yes. So 29 a got one moment for you to big three. Oh, enjoy your twenties, bro. Yes, sir. 29A. Got one moment for you, big three-o. Enjoy your 20s, bro. Enjoy your 20s. That concludes this episode of Nightcap.

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