Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2:  Unc CLOWNS Bills, Micah Parsons speaks up to Jerry Jones in contract talks, Bengals & Trey Hendrickson drama brewing

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the top NFL stories of the week, including Unc clowns Bills for being sore losers to Chiefs, Tension brewing between Bengals & Trey Hendrickson, & much more!04:19 - Fan calls out mayor for being a Cowboys fan06:00 - Micah Parsons taking a page from Jerry Jones in contract talks24:10 - Kyler Murray doesn’t like to run the ball33:50 - Chiefs fans notice NFL rule change after two Bills losses41:44 - Things are spicy between Bengals and Trey Hendrickson(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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when you elect a Cowboys fan to your government. 29 years of losing with this team. What do you expect with the leadership? This is a Cowboys fan. This guy follows the the Cowboys Damn Did you see what type of leadership they had? And that's what you put your trust in Cowboys fan

Sickening Sickening Sickening You gotta be able to separate the two baby You gotta be able to separate the two Your political views and the way things are run with the country and government

and the team you decide to support based on probably your childhood. You know, that's normally where it comes from. Yeah, but you're not expecting to see somebody from a whole... Ocho, that's a rival. I'm not expecting to see somebody

run for mayor in Denver and they talk about they're a Chiefs fan or they're a Raiders fan. Right. But listen, that's why I said him being a fan of the Dallas Cowboys and being in office, he is a fan of them simply because of something that happened when he was young. When he was young, that's all.

I guarantee you that. It was his parents or he grew up. We know they grew up watching the cowboys during those times when they were they were winning and winning super bowls i guarantee that's where it comes from it's not like he just woke up he's from philly and was never a philly fan and the cowboys fan this is what michael tweeted michael said facts david is the best and i will not be doing any deal without david muguleta, at David Muguleta, involved. Like anyone with good sense, I hired experts for a reason.

There's no one I trust more when it comes to negotiating contracts than David. There will be no back doors in this contract negotiation. None, zero. I wonder if stuff like that pisses Jerry off. For Jerry to come out and say one thing, and then Mike can come back and correct him and let the world know, regardless of what Jerry says, I do have representation, and I'm not getting a deal that won't be done

unless Jerry goes to the right channels, the proper channels. Yeah. And I got one more year on my deal. Uh-huh. Miles Garrett had two years left on his deal. Miles Garrett got 40 mil. Come on, see me.

Miles Garrett got 123.5 guaranteed. A hundred million in the first three years. I need to get more than that. Because Miles Garrett got two years left. I got one. Holler at your boy. And hold on. What if they get to the point where they piss Mike off and they piss off the agent

and they say, you know what? We're just going to play out that last year. And you can't don't franchise tag us. We're too late. They got that franchise tag on them. But see, here's my negotiating trip moving forward. Y'all want this 18th game? No more franchise tags

no more transition tags that's a good man and and hey and that's for bark that's for starters and i want i want at least for every vested player that plays at least three years and become vested i want at least 10 years of medical. Benefits after we done playing. After we done. At least at the bare minimum 10. And the more you play, the longer that goes. But I don't want a franchise tag. Franchise tag goes away immediately. Transition tag goes away immediately.

I like that. I have a question. I got a good question though. Think about this. If there was something that you could put on the table, what would you rather more? Would you rather get rid of the franchise tag? Lifetime health benefits.

Or people have the ability to get guaranteed contracts? Guaranteed contracts. I knew that. I knew that's a good one. That's a good one. Guaranteed contracts. Guaranteed. Yeah.

I mean, look, and now I think the thing is, Ochoa, everybody's trying to get at least the first three years guaranteed. But, hey, I've seen them do it. They've guaranteed entire contracts. Kirk Cousins, ever since Kirk Cousins, his third year, he's gotten franchise tag, which is guaranteed, franchise tag, which is guaranteed franchise tag which is guaranteed his first three years in minnesota was guaranteed his first three years in minnesota last the second

three years in minnesota was guaranteed his three years in atlanta is guaranteed so he's operated with nine years of fully guaranteed contracts they fully guaranteed deshaun watson so they can do it well hold on wait listen to what you're saying now. Look at the position you're talking about. Quarterbacks. You're talking about a specific position. The quarterback. The one who actually has the ball in their hands most of the time. All the time. So I think them

guaranteeing them money, they see fit based on the position. Yeah. And importance of it. Now what about other positions? Offensive lineman the lineman skill player defensive backs wide receivers running backs i think running backs would probably be the last on the list oh yeah yeah you have to get money unless you are special i think the thing is ocho most teams value running back the most value running back has

his first three four years out of college because guess how old he is he's normally 21 22 23 24 now if he's really good i've given him somewhere between 200 and 300 carries that's just in the nfl i'm excluding what he put on his body in college and i'm excluding what he put on his body in high school. I'm assuming. So now you're talking about somebody that's had, what, somewhere between 600 and 800 carries in college? Another 1,200 by the time he's 25? That's 1,800 carries plus what he had in high school. How many more carries he got in them legs? See, that's how they look at it.

Yeah, always. But Derrick Henry, but, you know, D. Henry, all those carries that he had in high school, I mean, he's the all-time leading rusher in high school. D. Henry had, like, damn near a thousand carries in college. And what do you have now? Probably another 2,000. Yeah. So,

they look at running backs and say, the greatest value you'll have as a running back is your first three to four years in the NFL. Because, guess what? That's when you're at your youngest. That's when you have the most tread on your tires. But I just like this. I'm glad Michael spoke up.

I hope he sticks to his guns and don't let Jerry try to backdoor with something slick. That's what you hired David Mugaleva for. And that's a small consolation to have to give up 3% to not run a foul. And you're like, damn, they taking all my money. I spoke out. Conduct detrimental to the team. Oh, I want this.

I want that. Nah, nah. Y'all ain't getting none of this back. Yeah. So. It's a rough game. It's a tough game. But you really find out how owners feel about you when it comes to negotiations.

And as a player, you do not want to be in that room when it's time to negotiate because you will walk out pissed off. Yes. Oh, so this is how you really feel? After all I've done? Yep. Now, based on my production and what I'm going to do in the foreseeable future, this is how you really feel about me. Sometimes. Based on my production and what I'm going to do in the foreseeable future, this is how you really feel about me. Sometimes, players, I mean, ask your agent. Tell your agent to tell you the truth on what they really say

when it's time to negotiate. But you'll be mad as hell. No, I don't want to know. Let's just keep it like that. I'm going to pretend that they love everything about me. And you make sure you tell them I love everything about them. But you and I both know. But here's the thing.

Yeah. My question is, why didn't you work directly with Dak? Todd France is his agent. Why did you not try to circumvent Todd France? Why didn't you try to circumvent? I don't know who Tony Romo's agent was or CD's agent. Why didn't you try to circumvent them? Because you know CD don't play that. You have to have to understand you understand it's all about knowing your personnel understand your

personnel who's one of the most boisterous and boisterous cowboy players out there that don't play that yeah cd don't play that it's not in their character even play that game i'm not playing that game well we already know how we how Dak is always high as opposed to him. So that's why he has some type of way because Dak has never allowed Jerry to get close to him like he does. Jerry has his faves, and he always tries to get close to him. He was very close with Tony Romo. He was very close with a lot of players.

He worked hand-in-hand with them, and that worked for him. But Dak has never allowed him to get close. Dak has always been, hey, I'm the quarterback. I'm going to do my job to the best of my ability. But I am not going to be— Strictly business. Strictly business. Strictly business.

And he's been the same since day one. Yes. And I don't have—I mean, personally, I don't have a problem with that. I think that's how it should be because, look— Right. Because here's the thing. Dak knows deep down inside Jerry wanted to put Tony Romo

back in there. But he was the only one that wanted that. Jason Garrett didn't want that. Stephen Jones didn't want that. So that's all though. I don't want all these games. And you still want to bring this man back and put him in there?

Huh, interesting. Okay. No, I'm good. I'm good. Look, I know David Muguleta. Met him a couple of times, talked to him. Good cat. Smart cat, brother.

Has done a great job. If I'm not mistaken, I think he got CJ Stroud. He got a lot of big-time players. Athlete first, athletes first. It's a big-time company, a lot of brothers. And they do an outstanding job. You know, Clutch, Nicole Lynn in that group, Rocky Arsenal in that group,

his firm, they do a great job I like that I like when guys get people that they trust that they believe in and that's what it comes down to

because when you deal with this it's all about trust don't you a lot of people just make it about some color or whatever the case

may be and that's fine I ain't got nothing to do with it when it comes to this type of money when it comes to this type of money, when it comes to this type of money and transactions,

you need somebody in your corner you can trust because there are too many horror stories of people getting burned. Yeah. Too many horror stories, Dom. Mm-hmm. The fact that nothing has changed

with the percentage of players that are able to attain their money well within two years removed from the game is ridiculous. Mm-hmm. It's almost well into 90%. Yeah. That all comes down to the team and the people surrounding you before you get

paid, why you're being paid. And once you're done playing, you got to have agents or people you trust in your corner that are there for right reasons. Not just why you're playing, not just because it's beneficial. Yeah,

exactly. And you got to have somebody that's going to be there in your corner when you're playing. Not just because there's been a mission. Yeah, exactly. And you gotta have somebody that's gonna be there in your corner when you're done. I've had the same major for 29 years. I've got Marvin Dimoff in 96 and he's been my agent ever since. And I don't do anything. I run it by him.

He's gonna shoot me straight. At the end of the day, I know this man wants what's best for me. David Muguleta has Jordan Love love cj stroud as we mentioned we got he got jordan ramp jordan ramsey deshaun watson that fully guaranteed 230 million he also has jaylen ramsey so he's done an unbelievable job protecting his clients getting them the uh ramsey was the highest paid at one point in time. Deshaun Watson had the most guaranteed money for a long,

long time. He was the highest paid. Justin Fields just got two years, $40 million, based on five starts, what, six starts last year, don't you know? Jordan Love is going to get a... I think Jordan Love already got paid. CJ Stroud is about to get a... I think Jordan Love already got paid. CJ Stroud is

about to get a boatload of money after this year. If he can replicate what he did his rookie year. Yeah. He gonna get it. He gonna get a big... Hold on. T. Higgins with David Mugaleva too? No, he's rock.

He went rock. He and T went with Rocky Arsenal. Yeah. He just went rock. Because he was with David Mugaleva too, but no, he's rock. He went rock. He and T went with Rocky Arsenal. Yeah. He just went rock. Because he was with David Mugaleva. And see, David Mugaleva don't cut no deals. David Mugaleva don't cut no deals. And that's why, and Cincinnati say, if you want to stay here,

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He works at the behest of you. David Muguleta, like, bro, what we try to do, and see, this is what baseball players do. They're not going to give you no deal, Ocho, because they're setting the market for the guy that comes behind them. That's why Shohei Ohtani got 700. Juan Soto says, I got to go higher. I got to keep bumping it up.

I got to keep climbing. Ain't no discounts. He wanted to keep bumping up. I got to keep climbing. Ain't no discounts. He wanted to stay in Cincinnati. He knew in order for him to stay, he was going to have to take a discount. David Muguleta understands that I'm actually trying to increase the market.

I want to do what's in the best interest of my client, but I also want this market to keep rising. Right. So you think either Dave is probably suggesting that he leave. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

Yeah. Because he knows, he knows he would have got more than a one year deal and he'd have got probably two to three years fully guaranteed. Right. Cause what about the other receivers? Cause you got to think about what about the other receivers? Because now other receivers come out, they're going to be looking like,

well, hold on, you just saw T. Higgins, what he got? He was free too. Yeah. And so they try to put you against each other because that's what you left. That's the chip. I don't know who the next big-time receiver coming out, but I'm looking at Chase. I'm looking at what Chase got.

I'm not looking at, oh, well, you see what T did. I don't care what T did. That's on T. I saw what Chase got. And I'm up. And I want to get it. It's probably going to be Puka. I think it's going to be Puka, Ocho.

Because Puka was a late round pick. He's going into his third year. They're going to do something with him after this year. After this year, this early? Yeah. But listen, if the Rams are smart, they'll do it this early.

He won't get as much as Chase, though. But here's the thing, though, Joe. He's going into his third year. As a late-round draft pick, he only got three years. Oh, he only got three or four years.

Three? Oh. Matter of fact, you know what they might do, too? What's that? The middle of the season, if he having one hell of a season and putting the numbers up and going crazy,

they might catch him in the middle of the season. No, I'm good. I don't do the middle of the season. I like to stay focused. Yeah, I know what you mean. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I like to stay focused. And y'all talking about money, I can't stay focused, Ocho.

I bet. You know what? They're going to let you focus. That's why they just talk to your agent. They let the agent take care of all that. Talking about money, I can't stay focused, though, Joe. I bet. You know what? They're going to let you focus. That's why they just talk to your agent. They let the agent take care of all that. But if you're balling out, which I'm assuming he's probably going to do, I'm not sure how many catches or production that Devontae Adams will probably take away from him.

But, man, they finna go bananas. And I hope they use Devontae Adams the right way. I hope they don't do what they did to goddamn Cooper Cup, understanding how they worked him out of the offense and putting Puka Nakua in the positions that Cooper Cup used to be in. Well, what happened was, you remember the first year Puka got there, Cooper got hurt. Yeah. The second year,

he missed some time also. So now they say, well, we got concerns about your durability and availability. You know, the best ability you have is availability. Availability, yeah. And that's what I tell guys. Ocho, you've never been injured,

but you've been in locker rooms where guys have been injured, and it's almost like that guy ain't even on the team. One thing about it, think about the NFL in general. People in the chat, think about the NFL in general and how great some of the players are or were. Just in the history of the game in general. And you always think about it. And everybody's replaceable.

Sometimes in life I hear people say, oh, I'm not replaceable. You're never going to find nothing like me. Can you imagine? Yes, always. That don't mean they won't be looking. You're never going to find nothing like me. Can you imagine? Whatever. That don't mean they won't be looking. Hey, man, there's always something else out there. Always. And when it comes to receivers, they might not be as great as Jerry Rice.

They might not be great as Randy Moss. They might not be great as Terrell Owens. But there's always someone out there that will be able to feel the production. Maybe not as much. But they get the job done. Team, look, they're going to tolerate behavior until they can replace behavior. Yeah, absolutely. Bro, they traded Jerry. They cut Jerry Rice.

They traded Joe Montana. They cut Emmitt Smith. Yeah. Hold on. Ruth Smith. Do I need any other greats? All the greats. All of them. Very few have been able to finish

their career where they want to. Very few have been able to do it. They let Tom Brady walk. They let Tom Brady walk. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Hey, that's the prime example of it. Nobody been able to do it. Larry Fitz that's it. That's it. Hey, that's the prime example of it. Nobody had been able to do it.

Larry Fingero was able to do it. No. Having a luscious career, great career, and one place. Mm-hmm. And always be in good stance with management and ownership.

Yeah. Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah. You see Dan Marino play at one place for 16, 16, 17 years. John play at one place for 16, 17 years. John played at one place for 16 years. That doesn't happen.

That doesn't happen often. You see Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning. I was just going to say, you took it right out of my mouth. Yeah. Some of the greats. So, that's what they do. Brian Sharph sharpheimer oddly dropped

some inside information about kyle murray today he said the former cardinals offensive line coach and new dallas offensive coc clay daddams told him kyle murray never really wanted to run oh joe what do you make of this i like it i like. I think for dual threat quarterbacks, that as people that are scouts or in positions of power, they will view dual threat quarterbacks as running quarterbacks. I know Kyler Murray's short. I know he's dynamic with his legs and extending plays and doing things off script. But I want to be known as a first throw quarterback. And how do you do that? By extending plays, by being able to go through the process of reading from one, two, and three, or maybe four sometimes, and only running when you have to. And I'm sure maybe that's a conversation he had with him, which is why he came out and said it. If that's something Kyle is working on and wanting to be a throw first quarterback, then so be it. Look what Lamar Jackson has been able to do. Look how he has come and gotten so much better at, you know what?

I'm going to be a throw the ball first and I'm only going to run the ball unless I have to, as opposed to looking at my first read, my first read not there, I'm taking off the ball. I think that for me, Ocho, what makes Kyler Murray scary is his legs. Don't nobody fear Kyler Murray's arms. They just don't. But you know what?

I like that you said that, but he can't throw the ball. He can. His anticipatory skills are very good. And then you got Marvin Harrison Jr. You don't have to run the ball no more. Yeah, he does, Ocho. Because here's the thing,

is that he's an undersized quarterback and what makes him dynamic and what makes him lethal is his legs. So it's the same thing that RG3 ran into. RG3 is like, I don't want to run.

His dad went in there and said, I want him to be Peyton Manning, I want him to be Tom Brady. When he was never that. Right. I mean, Ocho, it's like, all of a sudden, Ocho, you vegan. Hold on, can you let me build up to it?

Hell, I've been eating meat for 25 years, and all of a sudden you tell me now, I got to cut out chicken, I got to cut out fish, I got to cut out seafood, I got to cut out all animal protein and go strictly plant-based. Can I get some time to build up to that? I'm not saying that eventually you time to build up to that? I'm not saying that eventually you can't build up to that, but I'm saying to do this cold turkey,

damn. No, it's a process. It's a process. It's a process. Hey, listen, everything you just named right there, everything you just named

is that you have to exclude that from your diet if you become vegan? Yeah. Oh, my God. Hey, I'm not trying to be funny and no disrespect to anybody that's in the chat

that might be vegan or that might see this clip, but that sounds miserable. And you got to stop eating hoo-ha too. That... Yeah, yeah. Stop eating hoo-ha. It ain't meat, ain't it?

I ain't got nothing to do with it. Ain't it meat? I mean, yeah, depending on who it is. Yeah. No more booty holes either. No more rump roasts. You've been eating rump roasts for a long time.

Done. That's done. Dead. D-O-A. Dead on arrival. Hey, that's funny. I don't see how people do it. And I mean, no disrespect.

I don't know how people, you know, choose to be vegan. I don't know how people, you know, choose to be vegan. I don't know how people choose to be a vegetarian. And I don't know how people choose to be um, what else? What's the other one? You mean pescatarian? I said vegetarian. That's what I said. Pescatarian.

Okay. Yeah, that. What's another one? You got vegetarian, vegan. Vegetarian is like sometimes you can eat, like, maybe you eat fish or maybe eggs. what's another one you got vegetarian vegan vegetarian it's like sometimes you can eat like maybe you eat fish or maybe eggs

vegan is it's all plant based plant based excuse me how do you live like that I'm just saying in general I mean what you gotta give up

with your no toes you can't look on no toes no elbows no no I'm just saying there's nobody in this chat or anyone that is vegan You can't look on no toes, no elbows, no, no, no. I'm just saying. There's nobody in this chat or anyone that is vegan, vegetarian, or what's the last one?

Vegetarian, vegan, or pescatarian. Yeah, there's no way you can tell me you're actually happy with your choice in diet. And you got to be miserable. You can't. It's impossible. The food is too good. It's too good. Yeah.

Hold on, your boy. You ain't laugh long, huh? At what? At a vegan. No, I wouldn't even try. There's no point. There's no point. There's no point. There's no point.

I'm not sure what people are trying to do. Maybe I want to be a little bit more healthy or whatever it is. You can burn on your diet. Maybe it's for health reasons. I just can't do it. Eat what you want to eat. You know, anything, whatever's going to happen to you is going to happen to you no matter what. No matter what you eat.

Yeah, you're right about that. But I think the thing is, is that, you know, once Kyler got injured and he looked at it, I got injured running the football. I didn't get injured in the pocket. I got injured running the football. So maybe that played a role into it. Look, I don't think any quarterback wants to run. I want to put some ball in somebody else's hand. I want to do as little work as possible. But I think the thing that makes him so dynamic, the same thing that makes Lamar. Now, Lamar doesn't run nearly. Excuse me.

Lamar runs as a last resort. Yeah. Not as a first option. Right. And his game is elevated. But if you see the process and the steps that it took for him to get to where he is now, now people upset. Run, Lamar, damn. Yeah.

And he said his mom told him, boy, run thear, damn! He said his mom told him, boy, run the damn ball. Get your ass out the pocket and run. Do what you do best. I like the fact that he's evolved and become a pocket passer first. Matter of fact, he'll go through his progression, go from

one to three, and come all the way back to one before he take off. If he runs the ball, he's running out of line. Now, hey, I would never play him two man because the last thing I want him to do is jump out the window and take off. Can everybody turn their back? No. Man, please. I got to have

eyes on him. Me personally, I got to have eyes on him. Hey. If anything, listen, you play two man and have a spy? Yeah. But who's that spy going to be? Xavier Worthy? She's gonna catch him hey that's my yeah I can only think of two linebackers I can only think of two middle linebackers in the NFL that would be successful in spying Lamar Jackson based on their athletic ability and then being able to laterally Fred Warner I'm not saying he's fast enough.

I'm saying his ability to close the gap and be able to make tackles without getting shook. Franklin, Franklin Isaiah Franklin. Fred Warner, stay with me now. And

there's one more that's very small and athletic. He can move sideline to sideline golly it was right on the tip of my tongue Fred Warner Zaire Franklin guy

I just had it I just had it it was right there he's small and undersized but boy he can go it's gonna come to me it's gonna come to me

hey man Lamar oh Milano Milano that's who I'm trying to to me hey man Lamar gonna make oh Milano Milano that's who I'm trying to Milano from Buffalo

yeah yeah I'm trying to think about Milano before the injury yeah I don't know boy we talking about sideline to sideline and coming down here

man he better be what you call him he better be have some body leg cause Lamar gonna make somebody tear some stuff

oh yeah the last thing he gonna start and stop and I'm out um but hey Kyler never really

wanted to run I don't think most quarterbacks want to run and shit them legs hurt them legs hurt so

and you're not they're not used to taking legs like you know plus shots right right so that's the last thing that you want

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They never saw the ball. Buffalo didn't get a first down. Now we see... Oh, God. Measure the ball. Is it coincidental, you think? Is it coincidental, you think? Is it coincidental? No. Because listen,

too many coincidences is not a coincidence. Ah. I like that. I like that. And now, they've been taking the step further.

So now, moving forward, they have adopted the college rule. Every team possesses the ball. Now they did take, what is it, 10 minutes? I think 10 minutes on the clock. But that was the old overtime rule, right?

Or did they increase it since everybody's getting the ball? I'm not sure. But a lot of teams, because it used to be, okay, overtime was sudden death. First team, you score, you kick a field goal, boom, you win the game. Then they say, nah, if you kick a field goal, the other team get a chance to score a touchdown and beat you. And score, yeah. And so now it doesn't matter what happens.

You can score a touchdown, but the other team will get an opportunity to possess the football. Do you like that rule, Locho? I love it. I think it's fair. I think it's fair. Instead of putting the onus on the defense, now we have no choice but to make a stop if they get the ball first and win the coin toss. Allow our team, allow our offense to get the ball as well.

If you guys happen to get a field goal or get a touchdown, give us a chance. Give us a chance and put your defense out there and force them to make a stop just like we had to make a stop, but we couldn't do it. I think it evens the playing field and makes the game fair as opposed to most of the time with a team like Kansas City winning the coin toss in overtime. If they win the coin toss, man, listen,

nine times out of ten, they're going to get some points. If it ain't seven, it's going to be three. So you like the rule both teams possess in the football? I love it. I like it.

I like both teams getting the opportunity, y'all. I like it. My question is, yeah, okay. Yeah. So because in college you score. Yeah. Now you place the ball on the 25.

NFL you score, you're going to have to kick it off because, hey, somebody might run the kickoff back. On back, yeah. The thing is, Ochoa, is that the rule, especially if... I would always defer. Because that way it gives me an opportunity to know. Because fourth down, I'm live.

Yeah. You see what happened with the 49ers? I don't know why they took the ball first. And then, because I think they were under the impression that they scored first. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They wanted to put the pressure.

They wanted to put the pressure on the teams. Yeah, you put the pressure on the team by scoring a field goal. Now they know what they got to do. They're going to keep going for it down. Right. They get down every time. No, I want to know what I need. I want to know what I need in order to beat you.

Because I know, hey, okay, I get a field goal. Boom, boom, boom. I know, I'm cool. Right. But... I like the thought process, Shanahan, especially in a situation like that. You think about Super Bowl, it's a pressure situation, you know?

How can we put the Chiefs back against the wall? You know, we're going to take the ball. Not by scoring three. Exactly, we're not scoring three. I'm going to gonna hope i'm going to hope that bronc purdy and those boys can go down there and get a seven if you can get a seven when the game would have been over the game would have been over oh that's right i'm tripping they changed they changed the rule this year now is that both people get an opportunity to possess it like the old college did.

And so now both teams score. If there's time, I think in this situation, Ocho, I honestly think there are probably going to be more ties. Whoa, whoa. Ties? Mm-hmm. Nah.

Yeah. Because it's not like a playoff game, Ocho. If you're tired in overtime, you keep going. If you're tired of overtime, you keep going. If you're tired after overtime, it's over. Well, it depends on how many overtimes we're talking about. And they'll know you don't give a one. Oh, that's okay. I don't like that.

That's boring. Now, that I don't like. In the playoffs, you know, somebody got a score because somebody got an advance. But in the regular season, it's not like that. Okay. So, you know, that's advance. But in the regular season, it's not like that. Okay. So, you know, that's basically like soccer in the regular season. Yeah.

Game in, 1-1, that's it. Unless it's some type of championship or tournament where someone has to advance to the next round. Yeah. Okay, I don't like that. You don't like that?

No, I don't like that. No, no. Girl, you want somebody to play until they win. Exactly. And we don't need no draws. Hey. We don't need no draws.

You want somebody bad? You want the Juggers to be out there? Now, what if they got to play on Thursday night and they go three overtimes? See, oh, okay. That's right.

But also, think about the gambling. Think about the gambling. Now you add the dynamic and the aspect of, you know what? If you get the draw right, a two-team draw,

you're going to lose. Because when you either lose or you will push, because here's the thing. Normally time to spread is always a half. Yeah. Cause you know, your team can't score two and a half. They can't get three and a half.

Right. Let's see. That messes everything up from a gambling. It does. So, uh, Vegas is not too happy about this, but Hey,

but it's going to be, it's going to be interesting I'm interested to see hey Buffalo y'all got to build the right side of history hey y'all had a lead with 13 listen Ocho you deserve to lose if you have a lead with 13 seconds and you allow a team to get in field goal range you deserve

to lose. You earned that loss. Why would you leave the open side of the field open like that, Ocho? You got to press somebody. And you see Travis Kelsey and my homeboy talking. You're like, oh, hold on. Ain't nobody want to come in, Trav? So y'all just going to give him a free run. This is this land off the ball just scott free all he does is belly he puts it on him and now he runs now

and he gets that book call time out and buckner bye-bye yeah but that's exactly what all happened now you get the overtime you don't get them now you've already let them get a rhythm, Ocho. Because remember, they just went and got field goal range in 13 seconds. You lose the coin toss. They're in a rhythm. And you see Mahomes go pathetic. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Right down the field. And it's over. So, you know, a part of me does like it because, you know, both teams get to possess the ball. But damn, you know, they're playing the defensive guy. You know, Miles Garrett making $40 million. They got a DB making $30 million. Damn, stop them.

I ain't saying you got to keep them out of the end zone, but just keep them to a field goal. Yeah, you bend but don't break. Right. So, the's it. The Chiefs fans, this is what the Chiefs will say, but damn, every time Buffalo, they want Buffalo to get to the Super Bowl so bad, they change

the rules to help them. And guess what? They're going to find another way to lose. You can't keep running the same play. It would, me personally, Ocho, and I've seen it, I don't think he got it. I don't think he got

the first down. We know he didn't get the first down. They done showed every different thing. And the fact, he would have got the first down,

obviously, if he wasn't in that scrum and he could have reached the ball out. Yes, but he understood reaching the ball out and knocking it out,

you don't get the same protection as the goal line because the field of play is not the goal line. You can't do this like, oh, I reached it over the first down marker. Somebody knock it out your hand and then they whoop, gone. And that's the only reason he didn't get the first down because he had to keep the ball

against his body protected. Things have gotten spicy between Chad's Ocho Cinco Johnson Bengals and Hendrick, Trey Hendrickson. First, Executive VP Katie Blackburn said this on yesterday. It is on him to be happy at some point, and that's what he thinks. He should be happy at a certain point,

rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy at. Hendrickson told Batman Gaffey today he thought it was April Fool's joke. Hendrickson's causing Thomas confusion because he'd been talking to the team about a long-term deal for the last few years. And it was communicated to him that this something would get done this off season. There's a little disappointing because communication has been poor over the last couple of months.

That's something I hold high regard. They, uh, they have not communicated with my agent directly. It's been something that's been a little bit frustrating. As you said, he does not have any desires to be the highest paid or the first in line. He's been patient. It's possible. that will be out of my control or a short-term deal, given his stated desire for a long-term contract that includes guaranteed money. 35 sacks the last two years, aren't you?

You're the first-team All-Pro. He led the league in sacks last year with 17 and a half. And this year? That's tough. That's tough, huh? I think the Bengals are in a tough spot. Trey Henderson is in a tough spot.

Bengal fans are in a tough spot. The organization is in a tough spot. You know, how you pay, you know, your quarterback,

55, you pay your wide receiver, 40, you pay your wide receiver, 1B, 35, 30, whatever it may be.

And now you have Trey Henderson who deserves to be paid within the top three, top five at his position. How do you pay him as well? I don't know. Rob Peter to pay Paul. First of all, Peter and Paul already robbed you. Yeah. And then, you know, you listen to the comments that he says about no not wanting to be the highest paid well the comments that katie made as well katie says well you need to be happy was that my doorbell i hear nothing

oh oh well yeah maybe um katie's saying that maybe you need to be happy with the rate that we're offering you know on the deal that that that been set or given to you but again you understand that when it comes to the business side of things which is why asian is needed they always lowball you you know and that's when negotiations have to happen so listen i hope both sides get something done if trey henderson isn't able to play with the Bengals, he's had one hell of a career here. He's been a tremendous player, not just on the field, but in the community as well.

So I really want him to get what he deserves, even if it's not with us. I think so too, Ojo. So, you know, the problem that I have is that the contract is only binding when you want to renegotiate or break it. When they cut you because you haven't performed, there ain't no contract. There ain't no issues. And the fans don't come to your defense either.

No. But we know that. The fans don't come to you. But let you ask for more money let you hold out let you have gripes and situations about what you think you deserve based on your value and the work you've put in oh boy you all type of selfish and yeah diva and disgruntled that you're right that's always that's always been the nature of the business for some reason i'm not sure how it it happened or what fans have always thought because their heart and their loyalty is to the team.

And I'm not sure how owners have fooled the fans into believing that the players are the bad ones. They do. I'm not sure how they've done it. Because they frame it like we're doing everything we possibly can. You know, the salary cap is what it is. And what we try to do, we pay everybody accordingly. I know y'all got a check for $400 million. What's the salary cap, Ocho?

Now, I'm saying when you do what ESPN and Fox and Amazon and what Netflix gave you and what CBS gave you, okay, I know what those corporate sponsors are paying you. Now that's just from the national side. You got your own TV deal locally. You got your own radio deal locally. You'll have your own local advertising deals locally. You have concession. You have merchandise.

Merch. Yeah. Don't get me started. There's so many different avenues of revenue that teams bring in, and it's something that people don't even know about. Yeah. When you get the term,

they say buckets. They use the term buckets. There's so many buckets. There's the network bucket, which is CBS and ESPN Fox Amazon NBC

that's a bucket and then you get Nike deal that's a bucket yeah you got Bulls Bulls headset

that's a bucket hold on what about the stadium naming right what about the the stadium naming rights? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. What is AT&T?

Ford Field. Highmark. Yeah. Mercedes. Yes. Yes. So. That's the only thing I don't like about it. Look, I got a problem. And my thing is, OK, I'll sign a contract and I'll honor it. As long as you honor it too.

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It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is an iHeart Podcast.