Nightcap - Nightcap - Hour 2: Will Ja'Marr Chase play for the Bengals without new contract?

Episode Date: September 6, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson debate whether Cincinnati Bengals WR Ja'Marr Chase will suit up Week 1 of the NFL season without a contract extension and react to University of Michigan head coach Sherrone Moore coaching without a finalized contract.02:30 - Bengals and Ja’Marr Chase20:40 - Money Moves Sponsored by Draft Kings26:15 - Sherrone Moore38:25 - Caleb Williams number retired43:30 - Dad throws fit55:35 - Que and Ayeee(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of the team online yesterday. Ocho, did you see this? Why are professional athletes having to cross the street to get to practice? I mean, why are professional athletes having to ride bicycles to get to practice and training camp in Green Bay? I mean, what are we talking about here? I mean, most of the time, Ocho, people don't have to cross the street. You just go this, you know.

It's not that far of a walk. It ain't that bad. I took it. I mean, normally people just walk out of the field and the practice field is right there. I mean, and the practice field is still right there. It's not that far of a walk. It ain't that bad. I took it. I mean, normally people just walk out for the fill-in and the practice fill-in is right there. I mean, and the practice fill-in is still right there. It's not that far. No, it ain't. No, it ain't, though, Joe. Y'all ride up under the bridge.

You can go over the overpass. Hey, people in Cincinnati, y'all want to watch the Bengals practice? Drive right over there, park your car, and look right over the overpass. There they go. It's not that bad. The walk is not that bad. I just asked you a question. Could they do that? Yes or no? What do you mean? Could they do what?

The fans. Could they park their car on the highway, the overpass, and watch you guys practice? It's a yes or no. Yeah, they used to come watch me all the time because I was entertaining. That's not normal. No other team can you do that. Well, we have

a bubble too now. That's when it's cold outside. Y'all practice the majority of the time outside. Well, what's wrong with that? You still can't stop us. You can watch all you want. You still ain't gonna stop us on Sunday. Man, y'all was terrible for like a hundred years, Ocho. Who?

The Bengals. We talk about now. You can go up there and watch your good film practice all you want. You still not gonna stop T. I bet you they don't let nobody film practice. Even if you do, you still not gonna stop our players. You not gonna stop T. Higgins. You not gonna stop Jermaine Burrow. You ain't gonna stop Joe Burrow.

I mean, what you talking about? If that was the case, why they stop filming? Why they don't let y'all film no more from the situation like Coach Belichick used to do? Spy game. Why they stop filming? Why they don't let y'all film no more from the situation like Coach Belichick used to do? Spy game. Why they stopped that? I don't know. You do know.

Oh, I don't know. But you can spy on me. I'm going to still route your ass up. There's a reason why they huddle. There's a reason why. It doesn't matter, though, Cho. There's a reason why. I mean, yeah, listen.

It matters. It matters to some. To some, that's going to get it out of the mud no matter what. Whether you know it or not, you, listen, it matters. It matters to some. To some, that's going to get it out of the mud no matter what, whether you know it or not. You finna get this work. I'm telling you what I'm getting ready to do and I'm going to go out there and do it anyway. That's how I think. Now, unfortunately,

to the masses and those that, you know, it matters much more to, they want an advantage as much as possible in not knowing what's going to happen. I felt good. I felt good to get that off my chest. Yeah, y'all was a man.

I mean, back in the day, y'all was bad like, okay, I'm going to send you to Cincinnati or I'm going to send you to New England. I'm going to send you to Indy. Like, oh man, damn. Listen, wouldn't nobody have a problem coming to Cincinnati right now? I'm just to send you to Indy. Like, oh, man. Damn. Listen, wouldn't nobody have a problem coming to Cincinnati right now?

I'm just telling you what I'm playing. I ain't playing right now, Ocho. I'm just telling you what they used to say. Back then. Oh, you're talking about the past? Yeah. Oh, well, I mean, that's long gone. It's, listen, Mike Brown, the Blackburns, the family, Duke Tobin,

they have turned the culture in that city around that franchise they turned it around and it all started it all started with one quarterback it's amazing what a quarterback can do for you his name is joe his name is joe blonde burrow well you see what uh what you call them uh payton they got a new stadium in indy payton manning we see what tom brady he quadrupled the worth the value of the patriots you see what, what'd you call him? Peyton, they got a new stadium in Indy, Peyton Manning. We see what Tom Brady, he quadrupled the worth, the value of the Patriots. You see what Kansas City did with Mahone boy? Yeah, oh yeah.

Hey man, listen, boy. Yeah, you damn right. You damn right a quarterback can change your fortune. Yeah. Just like a great, you see what LeBron did in Cleveland? You see what Steph did in the Bay? In the Bay, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. Shoot, see what Ocho did in Cincinnati? My bad. My bad. Thinking with Cincinnati, Jamar Chase is reportedly tracking towards playing on Sunday against New England Cincinnati continues

negotiation with Chase side to get a contract extension done he practiced today and yesterday with Cincinnati getting more sessions tomorrow what do you think will happen here Ocho will we see Jamar on the field on Sunday?

Listen, this is tough. It's tough on Jamar. It's tough on me as a fan of Jamar. It's tough on me as a fan of the Bengals offense. It's tough on me as a fan of the Bengals in general because I understand the importance of Jamar and understand the importance of Jamar being a part of our offense

for us to have consistent success and have a different outcome at the beginning of the season. We normally start the season slow. You know, we always start out the gate 0-1, 0-2. And I think for us, I think we need to hit the ground running with a little different approach this year and probably try to start the season fast and get a few wins under our belt as opposed to trying to dig ourselves out a hole.

I think it'd be imperative that a deal gets done for Chase, but I think he doesn't touch the field unless it is done. Because it would be foolish for him to play now, Ocho. Now, you know, back in the day, if you held out, the team could forgive those fines. The team can't forgive those now. Yeah, the rookie fight, under the current CBA, on your rookie contract,

if the time that you do miss in season, they can, you get you, you're forgiven for those fines. If I'm not mistaken. I don't think fines can be forgiven now. I think that was the new rule in the CBA. Nah,

look it up. Ash can find be forgiven. Well, listen, listen, can I, can I say something real quick? Yeah,

go ahead. Jamar chase right now is top three receiver in the NFL. Justin Jefferson has gotten paid. CeeDee Lamb has gotten paid. AJ Brown, Devontae Smith, Jalen Waddle, Tyreek Hill. He is a tier one receiver. And out of the tier one receivers, he's the only one that's gotten paid. So just listen to me real quick, Chad.

Rookie's case? Yeah, he's a rookie. So listen to me. You want him to come back. Everybody's saying, oh,. He's a rookie. Yeah. So listen to me. You want him to come back. Everybody's saying, oh, he has two years on his deal. Okay. You want him to come back. He's playing as a top three player, but you want

to pay him on a rookie contract, but you want the production that he's going to provide you to be that of a tier one receiver. Sure. For sure. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not the way business works. that's not the way business works that's not the way business works now i'm all about doing things in good faith because if you're paying someone as a top player but they're not performing at a top level what's the first thing

they do to you huh oh we already know it's one-sided they're gonna get your ass up out of there they're gonna get you up out of there or they're gonna call you to the office say you know what your production is not what it once was. We need you to take a pay cut. Yeah. But here's the thing, Ocho. In the process of taking that pay cut, now we're going to take your money. We're going to take 50, 60% of your money,

but we still need you to make those plays like when we gave you the contract. Shit. Child, please. Pay me. Rookie fines can be forgiven, Oe see told you i told you i told you but listen i'm hoping i'm hoping um they waited to the last minute with joe burrow i'm hoping i'm hoping for the sake of my sanity for my sanity i hope a deal gets done. If it doesn't get done, I believe in T. Higgins.

T. Higgins. I've been saying this since day one. T. Higgins is a number one receiver, which is why when he hits the market next year, he's going to get a bag. But here's the thing, Ocho. You need both of your number ones because it doesn't do you any good to just have one. Yeah, but listen, we have great depth now.

We have great depth. Ain't nobody chase. As great as T. Higgins is, he ain't chase. They're two completely different types of receivers. He ain't chase. He can be completely different, but he ain't chase. Hold on. I don't like the way you talk about my dog, man.

T. Higgins is unbelievable. T. Higgins is the real deal. Would you put him in the top five? hold on I don't like the way you talk about my dog man he's unbelievable he's a real deal would you put him in the top 5 who? Higgins top man Higgins he top 10 what you talking about I said top 5 damn mathematically you spelling is hard

he top 10 though he that boy now don't do that he top 10 you got damn right what you wanna do He top 10 though He that boy now Don't do that He top 10 You goddamn right What you wanna do What you wanna do Let's run it right now Don't play

Don't play Okay hold on Let's see where Let's see where it right Let's go Okay let's go Chase Is he Chase is

No order I'm just saying No do the top Do the top five We know the top five right Chase Justin Jefferson CeeDee Lamb

Tyreek Let's say AJ A.J. Brown. Okay, that's five, right? Okay, that's top five. Now let's go after that. Come on, talk to me now. You put Tyreek in your top five? I just did. Okay, what about Devontae?

Okay, Devontae, that's six. I'm not taking him over. Hold on. I'm not taking him over. Cooper Cup? What? You're taking... Man!

Oh, just stop. See, that's why I ain't even doing no more. I don't even want to play no more. Stop playing, man. Hey, listen, man. Don't ever, don't ever... Hey, do me a favor. Don't do me a favor.

Do me a favor. Do me a favor. Man, don't ever disrespect T. Higgins like that, man. You think T. Higgins better than Cooper Cupp? Like, we've been friends for 37 years. I don't want that friendship to end by you talking about T. Higgins like that. I didn't say T. Higgins bad, but he ain't better than Cooper Cupp. They're two completely different type of receivers.

T. Higgins. Ocho, Ocho, all the guys are different type of receiver. Right. So we don't get to use that to all that different type of receiver. Does he play the receiver position? Yes or no? Yeah, he's good at it too. Okay. He's good at it. Okay, you say Tyreek,

Chase, Jefferson, CD, AJ, Dev, AJ, Devontae, St. Brown, I got Cooper. Amon Ra, he nice too, boy.

Amon Ra, St. Brown, he nice. So you got Higgins or you got Diggs? I just want to hear you say it it because you say Diggs with your guy you say Diggs yeah yeah yeah Diggs hey matter of fact hey Stefan I know Stefan gonna see this

Stefan I'm telling you homie like you my guy right if I don't get a pair of them Asics that you got to collab with it's on site. Puka. It's on site. So right now, Ocho,

we got left. We got Puka. We got Ayuk. We got your guy, George Pickens. I don't like what you're doing right now. Ocho, I'm just giving you some money. Listen, you put me in a tough spot. You put me in a tough spot right now.

Now, listen, I'm telling you T. Higgins is top 10. And you're going to understand that during this season. I'm not saying what he's not going to be after the season. I'm saying right now. I'm saying what he is right now. I'm telling you what he is. He's Vanessa's Clemson. No. All right. I'm saying what he is right now. I'm telling you what he is. He's been that since Clemson. No.

All right. I think he's unbelievable, though. Listen, we can agree to disagree. What about your boy Terry McLaurin? Oh, that's my dog. That's my dog. That's my dog. You got, uh.

Hey, that's my dog. Scary Terry, boy. What you talking about? Commanders, baby. That's that boy. Oh, yeah. Hey. Hey, you had, you made me stand up on that one. So we still got Waddle.

We got Devontae Smith. So I think somewhere like top 15, but I don't know if he cracking the top 10, Ocho. I don't, honestly. You know what? This is why I don't like numbers. I don't like anything having to do with the number system and ranking players

when they're all good in their own right. Now you have the tier one. You got them tier one dudes that are special that can go to any team. Oh, I got one. Let me finish. Okay. What about Mike Evans? What are we going to do with Mike Evans? Oh, wait.

Gary Wilson. What are we going to do with Mike Evans? Oh, wait. Hey, Mike Evans. Gary Wilson. What are we going to do with Gary Wilson? Oh. What about Amari Cooper? Chris Olave. Who is this? Who is this?

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Each name you call, I got excited. Yeah. I got excited because I understand what the boys do. The receiver pool is deep. It's deep. But T. Higgins, that Cinco, he top 10. He top 10. Hey. Well,

we've just looked up Pro Football Focus got him at 32, but we ain't going to talk about it. Pro Football Focus? Nah, listen. You know what? I like Pro Football Focus, so I ain't going to say nothing bad about them. I ain't going to say nothing bad about them, but everybody has a difference. Where you go?

Oh, where you going? I was just over here looking. All right, go ahead. Anyway, chat, listen. That's a tough conversation. Obviously, it all comes down to preference at times. Some people like... What's that?

Why you got the Eagles helmet? Pro Bowl, Urban Frye. Hey, Urban Frye, he still preaching? I couldn't tell you. My Ravens helmet. Hey, you know what's bad? Can I tell you something when it comes to memorabilia? I don't have none of my

I don't have no memorabilia outside of these three jerseys. I got three jerseys. I got frame. Cincinnati. I got three jerseys. I got frame Cincinnati. I got a, a, a Patriots one and I got a dolphins one, even though I was there for three days, I still got a dolphins was sitting up there.

Cause I'm from Miami and I don't have no, no memorabilia, a chat people that are in the chat. If anybody can find where my hall of fame jacket is that I wore against the Ravens that night, we played them on Monday or Thursday night that I wore over my shoulder pads. If anybody can find that, I'm willing to pay ungodly amounts of money to get that jacket back so I can frame it. Please, if you guys can get the message out there, anyone that knows anyone that has that jacket, I would love to have it back. I'll pay whatever

it needs to be paid. That's a one of one. That's a one of one and I really like that back. Please. You didn't trade helmets at the Pro Bowl? I did. I don't know where they at. I don't know where they at. I hate that people that have traded with me people that have traded jerseys with me

if you happen to see this I just want to apologize I don't know where nothing is at I don't I got something for you Ocho what's that how much would you pay me for this what's that? How much would you pay me for this? What's that?

A gator. Hey, I can go out. Killed him myself. Hold on. I can go down the street and get one of them. Yeah. Killed him myself. But he's still alive.

You ain't kill that. Killed him himself. 22 right to the top. Pow. No, you didn't. You're a hater, man. I told you I killed a g to the... No, you didn't. You're a hater, man. I told you I killed a gator myself. No, you ain't killed no gator by... Show me the footage. Show me the footage.

That was a long time before camera phones. Okay, then you lying, then. And I ain't the gator. I ain't here no more. Nah, I need to see the footage, because I know they had VK camcorders back then. But I tell you what we can do. We can go

to the Super Bowl. We can go down there. We can go, what you call them? What? Go catch one in the swamps, in the bayou. I can go to the swamps right here. Everglades ain't right down the street, huh? Nah, that ain't no fun. I want to go down to the bayou. What, the swamp people? We got the same

thing here. But we got alligators right here in the open locker canal down the street they be crossing the street and all i don't want them i want to go down there get the boat i want to go big leads get me one oh we got the airboats right here man in the everglades we could do that here no we got we got um we got gator farms crocodile man, in the Everglades. We can do that here. No. We got gator farms, crocodile farms. Nah, it ain't no fun. Yeah, you can wrestle with them. You can't even wrestle with them in the bayou.

Let me ask you a question. Why would I want to go shoot fish in a barrel? I want to go in his habitat. I want to go where he at. That's why I said the Everglades. You don't know about the Florida Everglades? Ocho, we going to be in New Orleans for the Superglades? Ocho, we gonna be in New Orleans for the Super Bowl.

Nah, see, the gators in New Orleans, they soft. The real gators out here. Nah. I'm talking about 15, 18-foot crocodiles. They ain't got no crocodiles. Crocodiles don't live here. Alligator.

We got crocodiles and alligators. You got alligators. We got crocodiles too. No, you got no crocodiles and alligators. You got alligators. We got crocodiles too. No, you got no crocodiles. Crocodiles don't live here. How you gonna tell me, huh? Because I'm telling you. All right, bet. Now it's time for our new segment,

Money Moves, sponsored by DraftKings. Guess what? We got animation too. Hey. Hey! Hey! Hey! In his much-anticipated return, Chargers head coach

Jim Harbaugh starts the season with high expectations. Harbaugh is co-favorite at plus 850 to win NFL Coach of the Year at DraftKings. That's tied with Chicago Bears head coach Matt Iberflues for the best odds to win the award. Coming off a national title at Michigan, odds makers are clearly buying what Jim Harbaugh is selling.

Ocho, what's your expectation for the Chargers this season? I think the Chargers are going to look completely different than they did last year. I think they're going to look completely different than they did last year. I think they're going to look completely different than they did last year. My only issue is a concerned are the weaponry that the quarterback has at his disposal. Quinn Johnson. I know you might see this,

but I need you to show up and show out. Yeah. Inconsistencies that I've seen on film from training camp. Um, you know, the drops, I mean, I mean, all that is fixable. I just need you, brother to brother, come out there and show out. They let Kenny and Allen walk. They let Mike Williams walk because you're next in line. You're next up. The organization is telling you, you are the man that's next in line to take over as the number one receiver. I need you to play like a week one from that point on. That's it.

But as far as Harbaugh is concerned, everything he touched turns to gold. It does, man. From a coaching standpoint and the teams that he coaches, it turns to gold. So I expect the same thing to happen there. And I think they're going to be fine. And normally it happens quick. You look at San Diego. You look at when he went to Stanford, when he went to Michigan.

Now he's back. I mean, when he charges, you look at normally the first year, there's a drastic turnaround when Jim Harbaugh takes over the program. And so I don't expect anything. He has a quarterback that can make every throw. He's a lot more athletic than you give him credit for. Now it's going to be interesting to see how they rather, you know, they lost Eckler.

He went to the commanders. He was the guy that could do it. Everything. He could run the ball. Well, caught the ball extremely well out of the backfield. Round the goal line. He was a lot ball well. Caught the ball extremely well out of the backfield. Round the goal line, he was a lot tougher runner than people gave him credit for.

They got some people. I think the question is their defense. I'm disappointed in their defense. When you look at what they got defensively, superstars. They got both. Derwin James. They got Derwin James they got

Khalil Mack you know they got Asante they got talent out there why y'all giving up plays like that so I do think Harbaugh is going to turn this team around they're the

look Kansas City isn't in that division. We know right now starting off it's favorite. They're the favorite to win the division again. Yes, sir. What, six, seven times? I mean, maybe eight times they've won it. Right. I think they won it the last two years with Alex Smith,

and you know they've won it every year since Patrick Holmes has been their starting quarterback. But do I do? I think the expectations – What do you think? 9-7? 10-7? 9-8? What do you think the record could be?

I like 10-7 more. I'll go north in the direction of 10-7. Simply because they have a quarterback. Simply because they have a quarterback. Simply because they have a quarterback. And anytime you have a quarterback, you have a chance at winning.

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And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane,

I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of Michigan, Jerome Moore is in his first full season as head coach of Michigan. And somehow, Ocho, he's still working on a contract. On Thursday, Michigan Athletic director confirmed that Moore and the university are still working on a deal. Several of his assistant coaches are also without contracts. Where they do that at?

I mean, they don't do it anywhere. But the fact that, you know, because of the entity that you are working for it ain't gonna be no post-dated check so you know when that when that check does come it's gonna clear just we talk about

Michigan now it was some other small it was some other small company I can't trust now you know you know your money coming when it come to Michigan

oh so that check gone clear so you working for free? I mean you're not working for free but you're going to get paid for the work you put in there's a difference now because we talking about Michigan now

did Harbaugh work without a contract? so how long did Harbaugh work without a contract? what about Coach Saban? what about Dabo? what about Kirby? They working on Mr. Moore numbers. The man had the job for six months. What you mean you working on his number?

Who takes a job and you still trying to figure it out six months later how much I'm going to pay you? I don't know. I'm just telling you. Chad, am I out of line here? I don't know. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you. If I was Chad, am I out of line here?

I'm like, I'm trying to figure this out. Hold on. When did Harbaugh get the job? When did Harbaugh get the job at, at, at the charges? Cause maybe it's me. Maybe it's,

maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me guys. Cause you know, sometimes I have a, I have sometimes I have a propensity, right? He got Harbaugh. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me, guys. Because, you know, sometimes I have a propensity. Right. Harbaugh got a job January 24th. When was Jerome Moore named head coach at Michigan?

He was named head coach january 26th so march april may june july august here we are september so we've had eight months okay you know who else doesn't have a contract that is deserving for the work he's put in and going to put in? Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase has a contract, Ocho. He got two years left on the contract he signed. That's not comparable. It's not enough.

No, Ocho, but you said he doesn't have a contract. He actually does have a contract. He has two years left on the contract that he signed on his rookie deal. Sherron Moore does not have a contract. He has two years left on the contract that he signed on his rookie deal. Sharon Moore does not have a contract. At all. At all. Period.

No contract. They're trying to work out terms. They're trying to come to an agreement. So the man was an intern. How many games did Harbaugh miss? Three? Four? So he missed three games.

So you saw him intern. He kept the ship afloat. He was your OC. Called he missed three games. So you saw him in turn. He kept the ship afloat. He was your OC. Called a national championship game. You won that game. You name him head coach on January the 26th. And you didn't work out a deal

in February, March, April, May, June, July, August. And here we are in September. Yeah. They would do that. They know what they did. They've never done that right you think something else is going

on that we don't know about I don't know what's going on but I just know I know other coaches don't have to go through that weren't okay I don't want to make any speculations maybe it's me maybe it's me

maybe it's me maybe I normally speculations maybe it's me maybe it's maybe maybe maybe it's me maybe it's me maybe it's me maybe i uh uh uh uh normally who's that you know who the athletic director is at michigan because we could always send him a little message i just i just thought someone starts a job right you have the agreement okay here this thing is already it's already in place yes Yes. Who takes a job and like, okay, here we are. I mean, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This ain't just any job now. So let's try this.

Put yourself in Mr. Moore's shoes. Yeah. If you were in his shoes, are you not taking the Michigan job because a contract has not been fulfilled yet? Oh, Joe, the contract is worked out before you take the job. That's why you take it. Okay, but thise the contract is worked out before you take the job that's why you take it okay but this one hasn't been worked out are you going to say you know i don't want to coach for michigan because the contract hasn't been worked out i'm just i'm just i just want to see oh i'm just i'm just asking oh are you not going to take the job because the contract hasn't

done yet the contract would have been done there's of all, the contract is going to be done before you take the job. Who takes the job with no contract, Ocho? So you're saying you wouldn't take it? Ocho, the contract would have been done before you signed. If, I'm just, I'm hypothetically speaking, if you were in

his shoes with the opportunity that is presenting itself to coach the michigan wolverines and it wasn't in place would you take it or not you would say my agent would never let me take a job in which the contract would not contract was done oh okay okay Oh, Joe. Okay. Okay. That'll be like, that'll be like you said, you know what? I'm going to get mad with no prenup worked out.

We're going to work on it at a later date and time. You doing that? Me? You talking to me yeah but but see my situation when you when it comes to that

using I mean for better context real says okay we gonna get mad we gonna work out the contract we gonna work out the prenup you like okay real we can work out the prenup. You're like, okay, real. We can work out the prenup at a later date and time. Whatever we're going to do, we're going to work out that at a later date and time. And here we are, eight months in.

So y'all been dating three and a half, four years. And so now, because Jerome Morris has been there for a minute. He's been the OC. And so now, eight months until your marriage, ain't nothing been signed. Ain't nothing been settled. Yeah. That's me doing that. Because I'm going to make sure if she tries to leave me,

I'm leaving with half. I ain't signing shit. Definitely. But I'm saying, like I said, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Listen, this ain't no regular program. This ain't just no regular job. That makes it more egregious that's the university of michigan that's and that's why

you know what you know what i think is going to happen i think the fact that we're talking about it i'm sure other people are talking about it as well when the numbers do come across we're gonna be like oh now we see why it took so long now they ain't're going to take care of it. He ain't finna get dabble money. He not finna get, he not finna get, he not finna get no, Ocho, ain't no first year coach about to get no 12 million.

Stop. Let's bet. Oh, Lord. I bet he get, I bet he hit double digits, though. Let's bet he don't. Bet $100. I bet you 100.

Bet 100. Okay, bet $100. Okay, bet. Bet. And that, what, what, um, bet $100. Okay, bet. Bet. What college Michigan played already, right? They played last week. Yes. And they played again. I guarantee you have a contract

in place, and I guarantee it's north of $9 million before week three. First of all, you said it was going to be double-digit. Last I checked, nine is not double digit. But okay, I get your point. I said north.

What is north of nine million? You said double digits. Okay, north of nine million is ten. But the fact of the matter is that this is a blue blood program. Like you said, it's not some small school. Right, right. This is a preeminent program that probably spent $100 million, $200 million, $100 plus million athletic budget.

And you mean to tell me you've had this man working, recruiting, and he doesn't have a contract? Yeah, you're right. You're right. I guess, listen, I mean, I contract? Yeah, you're right. You're right. I guess, listen, I mean, I see it from your point of view. I also see it from another point of view with the opportunity that presents itself at hand, working for this historic, prestigious university, knowing they're going to take care of me at some point.

They don't have me. How do I know that? Why haven't they taken care of me? Because, what do you mean, how do you know that? Why haven't they taken care of me? Because what do you mean how do you know that? Because this ain't 7-Eleven. This ain't H&M. This is the University of Michigan.

And I know they finna cut that check. Oh, Joe. Yes, sir. I totally understand what you mean, though. I totally do. I promise you I do. I don't know why it's going on. I don't know what they waiting on. but i'm just saying if the opportunity presented itself if i was mr moore with great understanding that it might not be done now but i know they gonna make shoot you listen you think eight months long you let me ask you a question you think eight months

long how long you think i made how long? Not to put my personal business out there. You know, I made Rhea wait nine months before she even could get some. And you think that's long? There's no difference? She had to work for that. What if Rhea had to pay you for sex

and say, well, Ocho, I will pay you in eight months. Exactly. You see how you look at me exactly you're right now you put it like that from a context because I don't lay down for free are you right by there yeah that's

my only thing to Ocho I'm like okay normally when you like okay you come in for a job interview okay well how much does the job pay? Okay, what are you, what are my expectations on the job? Yeah. What's the job hours? What's the whole, what's the work schedule?

Old time, overtime, is that, okay, do I get health benefits? Okay, do I get, you know, PTO? I'll come in with a job, I need CTO. Choice time off, you know what I'm saying I choose to take off so all those things I'm working out okay Mr. Sharp you got the job okay thank you

oh whoa I got a job how much did the job pay I understand sometimes like medical it could take 30 to 60 days before you get medical I get that but i ain't taking no damn eight months for me to get no paycheck yeah you right i don't i listen i don't i don't i'm not familiar with these type of situations being that i've never been in a

position to be a coach or work at a university like michigan so i don't know what's going on i have no idea maybe if i was paul feinbaum i have a better answer for you but I don't know what's going on. I have no idea. Maybe if I was Paul Feinbaum, I'd have a better answer for you, but I don't know. I don't know, but I do think he's going to get paid and it's going to be north of $10 million. They're not going to play with him, especially waiting this goddamn long. Or north of $9 million,

my bad. Yeah, that's what Harbaugh was making. Nah. Harbaugh was making about $13,baugh was making about 13, 14. Coach Saban was the highest paid. I think Kirby is the highest paid now at 12. Who's the highest paid college coach?

I think Kirby at 12. Because I think Dabo would make like 10, 11. Kirby's at 13. What is the guy in Alabama? He got about 10, right? He got 10. Yeah.

All right, Ocho. Caleb Williams hasn't made his mark in the NFL just yet but his college legacy is cemented forever USC announced he's getting his number 13 retired in his two years in the program he completed 599 passes

8,170 yards 72 touchdowns it is a tradition for Southern Cal to retire the digits of all Heisman winners. Speaking of Heisman winners, my former colleague at Fox, Reggie Bush, who recently had his Heisman

reinstated and returned, is getting his number five enshrined as well. Congrats, Reggie. Well-deserved. As exciting of a running back as we've ever seen in college football the NCAA did the right thing they reinstated it returned his trophy

and USC did the right thing what they do for all their Heisman winners yeah yeah that's dope that's really live but what happens if you continue to have so many Heisman winners when you run out of numbers hey

you ain't getting five you won't get that number you ain't getting five you ain't getting 13 13 uh you ain't getting 11 you're not getting three you're not getting 33 you're not getting 32 did Mike Garrett win the Heisman Carson wore three right Carson won the Heisman Charles Charles White, number 12. You ain't getting that. You ain't getting level. That's Matt Liner. You ain't getting 32. That's Marcus. 33 is OJ. Well, shit, Daniel had no goddamn numbers left for the damn players to play in.

Shit. Huh? Hey, USC had a run. Hey, that was running back you for real. Oh, yeah. Because they were OJ, they were Mike Garrett, they were Charles White, they were Marcus Allen. I mean, like in a 10-year span.

Yeah, just straight. 11-year span, they had four Heisman Trophy winning running backs. Mm-hmm. And then you get Carson, and then you got Matt Liner, and then you had Reggie. Now you got Caleb. Yeah, that's dope. That's live.

That's live. I just know one thing. They are running out of jerseys. I think certain players, certain people will go there and want to continue on a tradition of wearing their number from high school and college.

I mean, USC wouldn't be a choice to go, especially with some of those single-digit numbers that players like to wear. You can ask the university and the university will ask the players. Clemson retired. Steve Fuller had the number four. Deshaun wanted

that. Deshaun asked Steve Fuller he said I would be honored for you to wear the jersey. Oh that's dope that you can do that. Peyton Manning did the same thing when he got to Denver. I think Frank Chepuca wore number 18. They took it down

So if somebody want to wear that too in Savannah State The answer is no Damn you gonna tell them no? Uh no No No That is a joint between Savannah State and Shannon Sharp

We both have to be in agreeance But why would you even want No, that is a, that is a joy. That is a joint between Savannah state and Shannon sharp. We both have to be at agreeance. Okay. But why would you, why would you even want that pressure? I mean, if you, that boy, listen, a lot of players are picking single digit numbers. And most of the time when I was growing up, if you were a single digit number, you would like that.

You are him. So if anybody's trying to do it now, when I, in today's game, and I see, especially in college, I see players with single-digit numbers and you're not him and you're not showing up the way you should be with that single-digit on. I'm like, what are we doing? Even before that number, number two, even before they officially retired it, Coach Davis wouldn't even give it out. They didn't even order the jersey. Right. They wouldn't even order it. Mackie, who was the equipment manager, said, you actually think somebody going to be worthy of wearing that jersey?

He said, as long as I'm here, they'll never be a number two. I think the year after I left, somebody took a picture in it. And Mackie's like, how the hell you get that jersey? He ain't never. the year after I left, somebody took a picture in it. It make it like, how the hell you get that jersey? So there's only one picture with somebody in number two after 1989. I was from 86 to 89. After that,

out of circulation. And then when they retired it, oh no. No. Well, first of all, my son would have never, he wouldn't even want to wear that number. He wanted his own number. He wanted his own identity.

Right. And I understand that, but no. But like I said, a lot of teams, like I said, Deshaun, when he went to Clemson, that number was retired. Steve Fuller, that number was retired. Yeah. Ask him, he said yes. Payton asked the Chabuca family, they said yes.

Ask the Sharp family, he said no. You got to be somebody special coming out of high school to want to wear a single digit number, to want to wear Caleb's number, to want to wear Reggie Bush's number as a running back or maybe a receiver of some sort.

You got to be really, really good coming out to be able to ask and get that permission from them. Because if you're not, they'll probably say no. Ocho, take a look at this, okay? A dad threw a fit saying this generation doesn't care about families when a woman refused to switch seats with him on the plane. Ocho, let's watch the video. Uh-oh. A woman who paid $40 extra for her specific seat on a flight

had a dad try to guilt trip her into switching seats. So this woman, named Riley, says she always pays extra to have a specific seat. On this flight, she'd upgraded to a window seat near the front of the plane. While she was settling in, she saw a couple walk over with two kids that were between about the ages of 5 and 10 years old. She felt someone grab her shoulder, and it was the dad in the family. He had learned that no one was sitting in the middle seat of the row behind Riley. That dad then demanded that Riley move to the middle seat in the row behind her so that the family could all sit together.

But her real concern was that she didn't want to sit between two people, especially after she'd paid extra for the right not to. Because he had the audacity, this made the dad even more upset. And he went on a rant about how this generation just doesn't care about families. Riley tuned him out and refused to move. I can see both parts. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stay with me, stay with me now. I can see both parts about wanting to sit with your family. I understand that. I understand that. Now, depending on who you ask, depending on how you ask the individual, especially a father that wanted to sit with his kids. I get it. I get that part. Now, there's certain people that would move. Even there were certain people that would move just so someone could sit with their family because I've done it before. I've done it before. That's why I've seen both sides. Have you moved to a worse seat? She got a window seat and got to go sit between two people.

Well, if you wanted to sit with your family so bad, book the ticket in advance and buy the road. Yeah, I don't like his approach. I don't like his approach to the way he asked. And I'm sure he probably

didn't ask in a manner in which he would have thought, you know what let me move even though I have to sit between two people because he's with his kids. I'm sure I'm sure it was probably rude. So you want me to be uncomfortable

for the length of the flight so I can accommodate a family? Hey, you know, listen, some people with it some people ain't i i i kind of i kind of i kind of check this out i kind of i kind of see both sides though because i i move on a few flights for families before but i tell you what you float you okay a man sitting with his a man sitting his wife is in first class. Yes, sir. He's in coach. He comes,

he comes, you sitting by his wife in first class. He said, Ocho, this is my wife. You mind if I sit here? I'm in 24F. He want to sit with his family.

Hold on. Are you tripping? You do realize that fly on spirit. I always sit there. Ocho, you do not always fly. Ocho, Ocho, stop.

Cause I booked some flights. Okay. So stop. For me. Yes. That's different. Ocho, stop. Because I booked some flights, okay? So stop. Oh, for me? Yes. So anyway, as I was saying. That's different. I was, no, no, that's not what you're saying.

People want to sit with their family. I'm asking you. A guy, his coach, you're in first class. His wife is sitting next to you. He says he wants to sit with his wife. You're giving up your first class ticket to go back and coach. Yes or no? Yeah, I probably would. Man, stop it.

I would. I mean, that's just me. I'm just saying I would, especially if he got a window seat. I don't care. I would. Let the man sit with his wife. He should have bought that seat if he wanted to sit with his wife. Hey, nobody listen. Chad, chat chat let me ask you this how many people purchased a first class ticket gonna be willing

to give that ticket up to go sit in coach so somebody in coach can come sit by a family member really i mean based on the scenario you just gave me sitting the next you want to sit with his wife yeah i probably probably move that day that's just me once i got my earphones and i got my phone and the wi-fi connected i don't give a fuck where i'm sitting now i'm not giving listen no the the protocol the normal rule of thumb in order to get somebody to move, you need to give them a comparable seat or a better seat. You don't ask someone to move from a window or aisle to a middle seat. Right, right, right. You don't ask someone to move first class to coach.

Right. Now, I'm not saying, hey, if that's what they want to do, but to say, hey, I know you paid. I know what y'all know what first class tickets cost. Oh, hey, can you? I want to sit next to my wife. Well, you should have bought the ticket. Oh, but I bought this one and I ain't moving. That's rude, man.

You see how you just said that? You see, you see how you just like. I will say it just like that. If you think I'm about to get my black ass up and i know what i paid for first class tickets if you think i'm about to get my black ass up and give up my first class seat to go sit and coach bro do you know how long it's been i have missed a flight because the flight there's like mr shark we have no more first class but we can get you on this flight and coach i said what time the next flight leave? Says, leave in two hours. I said, I'll be right over here in the corner.

I'll be right over here in the corner. I'm not doing it. Oh, man, I wish I might. Bro, the first class tickets be $2,000 and $3,000 from here to New York. And you think I'm about to give up that seat? Every time I get, I look, I want the aisle. Because I didn't look,

my kidney's bad. So I got to go to the bathroom. And I don't want to be stepping on people. I don't want to put my ass in nobody's face. And I don't want to put my other private part in nobody's face.

Excuse me, excuse me. I'm knocking juice down and water. They're folding their table up. I don't want to do that. So I just get my black ass up and go to the bathroom. Because I got a window seat. I don't want to do that. So I just get my black ass up and go to the bathroom because I got a window seat.

I don't do bulkhead. Right. Yeah, you ain't got no leg room. Nah, hell nah. Yeah, but when I think about it, and I mean, you know me personally, and if you're in the chat, if you follow me throughout the year,

just in general, you know how I am. You know, I live a very, very simplistic lifestyle. I don't i don't really really care much about especially especially in this in this scenario in this case you know i i honestly all bullshit aside knowing me i would probably move just knowing me especially on the the scenario that you just gave me not the one we talked about originally on why we

talking about the topic that's about the wife and you sitting in coach. Listen, when I'm on the flight, if I got Wi-Fi and my phone working, I got my headphones, I'm good. Nah. Hey, give me what I paid for this seat. I bought this seat with $3,000.

Break bread. Damn! Go look up a first class flight on Delta from LA to New York. Look it up. Google it and see what it costs. It's high. It must have been a holiday. Go look it up and see what it costs.

So that's what he's going to have to come out of his pocket with right there. And I still ain't moving. He knew when he got his ass on that flight, he wasn't sitting next to his wife. They're going to try to guilt trip you. Hey, excuse me, buddy. You know, my wife is up there. Okay, Ann. I'm going to keep her company for you.

What's her name? Betty? Hey, Betty, how you doing? Say I'm back there. Hey, I tell you what. How about this here how about Betty get her ass up and go sit back next to you and let the person come up next to me

that's a good one that's a good scenario that's a good scenario please that's a good scenario now no I ain't doing it that's a good scenario now no I ain't doing it y'all know good and well y'all wouldn't sit

ahead of the thing Ocho they knew good and well they wouldn't sit together when they got their ass on the plane yeah I mean listen maybe they bought the tickets in a way where it wasn't as expensive they found a way to finagle the system yeah they're gonna try to finagle the system. Yeah.

They're going to try to finagle me. Yeah. Ain't going to happen. Yeah, that's probably what they did. And so is... I want all my snacks because when they come around with the hot food, Betty, she's going to be y'all.

She's going to be getting my plate. Oh, dude. I ordered a ravioli, ordered breakfast, whatever. Whatever Shelly D was necessary. I want all that. I want the unlimited snacks,, ordered breakfast, whatever. Whatever Shelly D was necessary. I want all that. I want the unlimited snacks, too. Because they keep coming around with all those snacks.

I get chips. Biscoff. I get gummies. Yeah. I get the sun chips and the sea salt chips. No, I ain't giving that up. You got it. Hey, I get

normally somebody else they be back there and everybody be looking at them how you get two plate of shrimp Ash be eating Ash be eating shrimp in front of the people I said Ash cause I have a flight attendant to take my stuff back

yeah and she eating it in front of the people. Man, I wish somebody would be eating a plate of shrimp back there in front of me. I'm going to knock all that shit down. You going to eat what I be eating. You going to get one of those boxes, one of those

cheese boxes with salami. Yeah. That's what you going to be eating though. Ashby, being don't even care. I'm pretty sure she ain't offering nobody nothing. Because that's one thing about Ash. The one thing I tell you about Ash, appetite. Yeah.

She can eat. She ain't never lost hers. We're the same. We go anywhere. Yeah. Ash go. Ash, you want some of this. I'll try it.

You did more than try it, Ash. You ain't damn near the health thing. Try it like you take a bite or you get one. Yeah. You eating half of it or eating four when there's only six. That's more than try it. Right up my alley. I'm Michael Kassin,

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man alright Ocho now it's time for Q&A already already what time what time what time is it over there All right, Ocho, now it's time for Q&A. Already? Already. What time is it over there? Almost 11.

Oh, shit, it's going on 2 o'clock. Oh, I like this. Hey, see, I'm good, though. See, I took a nap today. So I'm wide open. You know, I sent a little video to somebody, you know, so I feel good today. I said, I sent a video to somebody. I was in the other room. He bust out laughing.

I said, man, what you laughing at? What's funny? Ray Kwan Howard said, that's, uh, that was totally worth the wait for the first game of the season. Love y'all. Uncle Nocho. All shout out to all night cappers. Yes. Uh, that game was unbelievable like i said if the regular season is anything like the first game

it came it was very suspenseful suspenseful came down to the final play of the game i just read that uh lamar said he thinks that was a touchdown the mart that wasn't a touchdown bro his feet was out his foot was out of bounds it was out about i get it you get that close but. His foot was out of bounds. It was out of bounds. I get it. You get that close, but no. His foot was out of bounds. Raekwon, man, thank you for the support. Thanks for watching. How many people we had in the chat? I mean, I think we had like

we almost got 40,000. Thank you guys for coming back. Hey, good people. Congratulations on success of Nightcap. You're approaching the one- year anniversary. Anything, uh, any plans to celebrate? Will there be a commemorative 84 merch? I hope liberation is involved in your celebration, uh, blessings and more success.

I don't know. Yeah. What are we going to do? When is our one year anniversary? October 8th is when we started the channel. So we might come out with some merch. Yeah, sure. Huh?

Yeah, we have some confetti. And you know, it might be in some giveaways for the old rubies. Anybody want some rubies in the chat? Them sparks. Them sparks. Hey, I'm going to try one. Hey, listen, I'm going to try one for real. I just want to see.

They thought you more than the drill team. Drilling deep. Man, Ocho. You ain't going to be drilling bit like this, hell. It work hard. You know what I mean? Ain't nothing like when you do something and it work. Like a plane. Ocho, you know you I mean ain't nothing like when you like you do something

and it work like a plane you know you work on this plane all week you call it a game and that mofo work yeah and that's a great feeling

ain't nothing like them rubies they work yeah they work that's a great feeling bad and it's gonna be perfect it's gonna be perfect

because I'm on the road I'm on the road now to the end of the month I'm on the road to the end of the road now to the end of the month. I'm on the road to the end of the month. So when I come back at the end of that road, like boys and men, I need to try.

I need to try with them Sparks now. You got the neighbors? Nah, nah. Nah, they can't. They ain't going to be there. Okay. Nah, they ain't going to be there. Man, they the real deal, Locho. They the real deal.

We gonna see what the hype about now. Boy, they get butter from a duck. They get butter from a duck. You know, hey. Yeah, man. Zach N. Say, okay, Locho, y'all keep it real. So let's talk about this

Rasheed Wright playing the game that called Baltimore non-calls for Kansas City by the ref the illegal timeout that the Chiefs DC is it not obvious the fix were in for Kansas City what fix fix right

I think about the only thing i ain't like i mean just i'm gonna get it get it off i understand understand what he talking about there was no fix there is no goddamn fix i'm not what i didn't like at the beginning of the game the refs making it about them now uncle you you gave me a better explanation on why you felt the tackles being set back a little bit further was an advantage for them. Okay, I understand that now. I thought being a little closer would be better for them, but with your explanation, it lets me know that it wasn't. Now, that irritated me a lot, a lot. It really irritated me because it felt like the rest were

making the game about them. Now, outside of that, it was a good game. You know, just nitpicking at all the other stuff and timeouts and all this other stuff. Yeah, that's... But go ahead and make your point. Yeah. You know what? We're going to come out with a nightcap starter pack. Two sparks, grip

socks, chapstick. I like that. You know how they don't joke? Especially them grip... Hey, listen. If we get some nightcap grip socks, chapstick. I like that. You don't have that, though, Joe? Especially them gripped. Hey, listen. If we get some nightcap gripped socks, boy, that's going to be funny. Woo. Woo.

That's going to be funny. Them gripped socks. Well, you understand. Hey, Chad, what y'all think if we came out with some nightcap boxers? Breezer boxers briefs briefs or boxers you wear briefs but I ain't got no

choice well we used to call I don't know what they used to call but we used to call them jockey shorts well briefs is that's the same thing. Jockey shorts, yeah. Yeah, right? But I wear like... When I think of boxes, I think...

I wear like impressions. I wear like impressions. That's what I'm talking about. When I think boxes, I think of like the plaid boxes we used to get back in the days from the gas station. Or the kind I got on right now. Yeah, them days over, man. We used to wear a pair of shorts under your jeans to go to school.

Yeah. Man, I had a teammate who used to play in Fruit of the Loons. Who played the draws? Yeah, we're going gonna get that night camp starter uh Emmanuel Agunabe wasn't feeling the officiating tonight

I felt there were too many illegal formation calls against the Ravens and too little against the Chiefs look I think normally the first game is really penalized because the teams are trying to figure out what they can get away with. So now what we would do is like, when I tackle the backup,

that means I had to back up because we didn't want it to look so obvious. Cause see, Oh Joe, I like the crowd to bump. Yeah. I'm trying to crowd it as much as you can. Yes. So I get it. I much as you can. Yes. So,

I get it. I think, you know, you go back to the drawing board, whatever the offense, whatever the case may be, he says, okay, let's back it up a little bit. Hey, wide receivers, tight end, help us out.

Maybe y'all don't crowd so much so it doesn't become so obvious that the tackle is so far back. So you just play with it because y'all, look, I don't want to get penalized, but I want to see how far I can push the envelope. Because I'm trying to gain a competitive advantage because as a defensive player, what they try to do,

they try to crowd the ball. So my job is to like, I'm going to try to look. It doesn't do me no good to crowd the ball and get a kick when they're going to call it back for illegal formation. Every time. I would rather be a little step slow off the ball and somebody catch it and we get the play to go

as opposed to crowding it and then we get an illegal formation and it's coming back. Illegal shield. Illegal. No. No. So,

Emo said, hey, congratulations on everything. You'll know what you're doing. My question is on the Ravens-Chiefs game tonight. Shazay have stopped in the end zone when Lamar threw it seems like miscommunication what do you think because he doesn't know he doesn't know if the safety is coming see the safety was supposed to come he stopped he got to keep going but zay doesn't know that zay doesn't know oh he stopped

so let me stop no he's trying to i'm running free. I never assumed that the guy stopped. Yeah. So, no, no, he didn't. Zay did the right thing. Lamar just looked. They'll do a better job of communicating. But that's what happens. I mean, it's a game. It's full speed.

He doesn't know the guy, he can sit down in the zone. Because he, sick stop. You see him, he stopped. He just stopped, just stopped. And I don't know why he stopped, because the guy is he's gonna sit down the zone because he sick stop you see him he stopped he just stopped just stopped and I don't know why he stopped because the guy crossed his face you got to run through that yeah and no I don't think I don't think he should have stopped

uh the Dre Maxwell said is the Chiefs defense legit yes yeah they're very good still nice everybody's gonna be able to do like lamar now you first of all how many quarterbacks you go run get 15 16 carries a run for a buck 22 how many quarterbacks gonna be able to make the throw that he made the likely make the throw that he made to uh bateman up the sideline they very many quarterbacks to make that hell Hell yeah, they good. Very good.

It's tough to play a guy like Lamar Ocho because the thing is that your instinct says go get the quarterback. But if you run past him, he's going to jump out the window. And you see even the second time

Chris Jones he bulled the running back, but he went up the edge, should have bulled straight through him. Because the last thing I want to do is give Lamar a crease. Me, on that last play, I'm going to blitz him. Because the last thing I want him to do is about time. I'm going to make a decision instantaneous. Yeah, make him uncomfortable. I got to.

Yeah. Because you see what happens when you let him buy time? He's going to buy time. Somebody's going to run around him. Guy's going to keep running around and boom. Almost had a chance to score a touchdown and get a 2.1 conversion. But no, the Chiefs defense are legit. Matthew Coughlin says Chiefsaholic was using money he

robbed to bet on games i'm a kc fan living kc follow the news quite a bit he was betting on the game i guess he was traveling probably traveling to the games also joe see told you i told you wasn't spending no money on nothing crazy they were gonna be something simple betting ain't simple joe i, you know what I mean. When most people steal money from banks, they go do wild, luxurious stuff. Like, you know what I'm trying to say. You wouldn't... What would you have done with the money?

If I was a bank robber? Yeah. Shoot, I could keep living the same life I'm living right now. But there will be signs. Yeah, but what the hell are you robbing a bank for if you're going to keep living the same lifestyle? I mean, well, I was making millions and millions of dollars

and still living the same lifestyle. I never changed, still to this point. Yeah. I mean, there's still small signs. You ain't living in Liberty City. Miami ain't Liberty City. You don't live in Liberty City. No, I Liberty City. You don't live in Liberty City. No, I don't.

I ain't too far. Yeah, you far. You far. That's a whole side of town. Yeah. You know what's funny? When you think about it, though, when you think about the word Liberty City,

I think it's a whole different side of town. Everything is gentrified now, man. Oh, yeah, for sure. Everything is gentrified. Yeah man. Oh, yeah, for sure. Everything is gentrified. Yeah. It ain't the same anymore. And they charge you arm and leg

to get that property. What? They probably bought them old houses over there for like three, they probably gave them people like three, four hundred thousand dollars and now them houses,

they ain't gonna charge people two, three million dollars for those same houses. Yeah, it's different, man. It's like that everywhere, too. Kevin Norwood Jr. asks, who will lead the league in rushing in 2024-2025 season? Ocho, who you got?

See, Matt? You think so? Yeah. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I think because Derrick Henry and Lamar are going to be splitting, I hate using this word, saying splitting the carries, but I'm just saying this is the build of the offense.

I think C-Mac will have more opportunities and have, yeah, C-Mac. I mean, I would say Saquon would be a good choice as well. Take some of that pressure off Jalen Hurts. Yeah. Saquon would be. And Saquon is special, man. I still don't understand how the damn Giants let him go. That was weird.

What about, what's the guy in Indy? Oh, Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. That's a good choice. Well, hell, if that's the case, then B? Oh, Jonathan Taylor. Yeah. That's a good choice. Well, hell, if that's the case, then Brees Hall is a good choice too. Yeah. Because Jonathan Taylor and Brees Hall

can hit their head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field. Right. But see, I think the thing is that you still have a young quarterback, so he's going to probably get a lot, a little more carries than Brees Hall. Ah, that's right.

But I do understand and I like the direction that you were heading in. Yeah, to get the ball out of his knees. That's a good one. Go I do understand and I like the direction that you were heading in. Yeah, to get the ball out of his hands. That's a good one. Go ahead. No, I was just saying to get the ball out of

Anthony Richards' hands. Mm-hmm. Kevin Roberts, say, Ogun Ocho, not all players have legacies. What accomplishments are required to be considered

a legacy player? Who are some of the fringe legacy players playing now? It's Ocho, it's Sterling, much love. That's a you question.

I mean, it definitely helps if you won. If you're a good player on a championship team, they'll never forget you. They'll never forget you, Ocho. Even though our offense wasn't that great in Baltimore, we won a Super Bowl.

But we're still going to be special. Especially the guys that they know. I mean, obviously they're going to make J.O. because J.O. is in the Hall of Fame. He's one of the greatest left tackles and one of the greatest offensive linemen to ever play. But guys like myself and Jamal and Trent, Codre, Jermaine,

guys that they recognize, but then you go to that defense and everybody on the defense is over there. They know everybody. Goose and Sam and Rob and McQuarrie

and Pete and Sh and McQuarrie and Pete and Suge and Jamie Sugar, I mean Woody, McAllister I mean when you deal with it, it's kind of like the steel curtain. You know everybody on the steel curtain. You know everybody

on Legion of Boom. You know it, Ocho. The greatest show on tour. You know Warner. You know it, Ocho. The greatest show on turf. You know Warner. You know Oz. Oz, the King. And Torrey Holt. Isaac Bruce.

And Revanite. Yeah. Marshall. Yeah, I think it varies for team to team, player to player. But when you play well

in a city that that breeds the live sleep football like I did in Denver Avalanche have won Stanley Cubs the Nuggets have not won it's a Bronco country

for a reason now it'd be tough in Boston because you got the Red Sox you got the Bruins you got the Celtics and the Patriots and all those won a lot before the Patriots. And all those won a lot before the Patriots started winning.

Mm-hmm. Now, the Patriots won the most recent. Well, obviously, the Celtics just won the championship. But so it's hard. You got to win. Hey, you ain't going to just be no joke. No, you got to win. In Boston, you got to win.

Mm-hmm. And a lot. That's why they love Big Papi. Bird. Brady. Brady. Bobby Orr. You got to win in Boston.

You play. Just like New York. The Yankees. Giants. They had the Islanders, the Rangers. You got to win. You win, you win. Willie E said, I need a nightcap live in Tampa so I can beat Ocho Espello

like I did in Houston. I love you guys. Thanks for inspiring me and my generation. Daring to own me and my wife next time y'all in town. Appreciate it, Willie. Willie's got lucky, boy. Easy air questions. Nah, don't do that, Ocho.

Nah, it was too easy, man. Guys, go ahead. Go ahead, Ocho. What you gonna say? You try that. I think you try. I forgot the word you had me trying to spell, man,

against Willie, man. Dang. Man, Ocho, the man won. Man beat you fair and square, Ocho. I was hurting with the words, man.

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