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What do we think about this guy? Good pick. He tackled. Like you said, though, once you start, once you get past those first seven, eight things. Now, if anybody's there that you wasn't expecting to be there. Yeah, right. That's what makes it hard.

I mean, I'm taking the best available player, but all of a sudden you're expecting expecting to be there. Yeah, right. That's what makes it hard. I mean, I'm taking the best available player, but all of a sudden you're expecting somebody to go 7 or you're expecting somebody to go 10, and here they are sitting there 13, 14, even though I might not need that. Yep, yep. The best team in the draft is on the clock. You look at Philly.

Philly had Fletcher Cox. They had Brandon Graham. But they still selected D. Lymond. They get Jalen Carter. They get Jordan Davis. They get this with it. They get an edge rusher. It's like, what are you doing?

And look what won them the Super Bowl. It was the defensive line getting after Patrick Mahomes. Because you've got no answer for it when you've got five, six guys that you can go deep on. The funny thing about that game is the Eagles front four, we already get to Patrick Mahomes at will. They didn't blitz the whole damn game. Not once.

Not once. But, Joe, you know this. To get a team out of cover two, you've got to run them out of it. You can't throw a team out of cover two. No. You've got to run them out of it. And so what happened is, and Philly played the long game. They're going to get impatient.

They ain't going to stick with the run. I know they ran it the first three plays. They got a first down. But they're not going to stick with it. Now, once you fall behind and you don't want to stick with the run, you play it to the home. Yeah. Big man just say, just go hunt.

Don't even worry about the run. Well, he knew their defensive line was such a bad matchup for the Chiefs O-line that even if they tried to stick with the run, they wouldn't be consistent enough to move it down the field. You've got to be in a situation when you play the Eagles, you need to be second, you need to be third and short. You know, you need to get five yards. I don't want to see third and long as a tackle.

No. I can't. You know, you've got to stay positive. That's right. You can't have a false start. You can't play behind the know, you got to stay positive. That's right. You can't have a false start. You can't play behind the sticks when you play against the Eagles. Hold on. They just got the defensive end from the Eagles.

Number 94, he should have been the MVP. He's not there at the Eagles. Because remember, he went with Shane Steichen. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, okay. They're stacking. Yeah. Piling on the D-line.

Looks like Walter may need a bigger hat, though. I don't think he was expecting to be an Arizona Cardinal. He might need an A. I think that's a seven and a quarter, Joe. That might be a six and a quarter. Hey, look. Trade him. Trade him.

Do that. Hey, well, just go ahead and unlock it. Oh, I think the Bengals are taking Sanders. James Pierce? Where is he from? Edge Russia. From who? Where?

Tennessee. Okay. They definitely need defense miss they definitely need defense But the question is oh Joe I did I didn't know that one But what do we go is it Wow what is it? Hmm edge Hey, thank you. We're going we're going defense. It doesn't matter What is it? Edge. Edge.

We're going defense. It doesn't matter. They have a little Trey Hendrickson. Yes. Green Bay? Because they're not going to sign him to the contract he deserves. So why are you holding him hostage? Because they want a first-round pick.

Nobody's giving you a first-round pick for a 31-year-old guy. And a guy that they're going to have to pay, right? They got to pay him, and they got to give him a first-round pick, and's giving you a first-round pick for a 31-year-old guy. Yeah, and a guy that they're going to have to pay, right? They got to pay him, and they got to give him a first-round pick, and he's probably not going to last long. Watson. Yeah, but I mean, that's the Bengals, though. They're just stubborn. This guy.

Well, the thing is, they wait until the umpteenth hour. That's right. Just think about it. If you give Jamar Chase, you had to end up paying $30 million more. $30 million. Right. You got to pay him more if you wait. And if you already know he's the guy, why not pay?

And he won the Triple Crown. So how much do you think he was going to pay you? Chase. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Same thing with T. Yep, yep. And now you got T, you got Hendrickson. Hendrickson's like, bro, the market is 30 plus, middle 30s.

Yeah. Yeah. 17 and a half back-to-back years. First team all pro. I was in deep. He's got nobody around him either. Imagine if he was on a defensive line like the Eagles or like pair him with Miles Garrett, like other guys that are going to pull some blocks.

If I'm Washington. Now, you hear that Washington might be in play with T.J. Watt. But if I can't get T.J. Watt, I'll give up a third or fourth round pick for Hendrickson. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You need to go ahead and load up before Jayden Daniels comes up. That's right. That's right. You see where the contracts are now.

60 million. Jayden Daniels is going to be at 65, 70. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. The way the salary cap's rising easily. Yeah. Yes. So you got to win and stack your team right now before you have to pay him.

Or do like Philly. You see what Philly do? Philly signed their guys at the top of the market, and then in two years, they look at that contract like, wow, he really underpaid. Hey, they catching him early. They catching him early at the right time. Look, they got Lane Johnson tied up. They got Jorg the right time. They got Lane Johnson tied up.

They got Jurgensen tied up. They got Dickinson tied up. They got Maulata tied up. They got Jalen Hurts tied up. They got Devontae and A.J. Brown tied up. Because you know that big guy coming, Jalen Carter. Oh, yeah. Back up that Brinks truck.

He finna go past the D lineman from Kansas City, Chris Jones. Chris Jones is about 31 and a half. He's about to go 33. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, Eagles have been smart about signing guys early. You know, I think it's really important. You got them in the building.

If you know what they're going to be, mark them up before everybody else finds out. Their timing and ability to do that has been impeccable. Yeah. And it's paid off dividends. What helped them is Jalen Carter didn't come back his last year in shape. And he didn't play like he played the year before. Had he come back in shape, he's the first pick in the draft,

not the 10th pick in the draft. And so Philly got a steal. They got a guy that had first pick talent at the 10th pick. You pick it then. What do we think? I think they're going to the edge. They're going to the edge. Listen, we're going to the edge no matter what.

Stewart. It took Stewart, A&M. Okay. I like it. I took Stewart. A&M. Okay. I like it. I like it. And the linebacker's upset. He want more money. Hey, Ocho, what's 57 name?

Jermaine Pratt. Yeah, Pratt. Pratt want more money. I want more money. I want more money. You picked the wrong year to want more money because you had a down year. I was going to say, tomorrow she won't get it, but she ain't going to get it. You know, the Bengals,

they love making an example out of people. Oh, man. I like this. Y'all didn't have no choice but to go defense. We don't. We don't because the problem with us is we can't beat nobody because if we score 60 points, the other team scores 65. Yes.

We ain't got no choice. Guess what? You should go defense in the second round, too. Matter of fact, every pick we got, the whole draft got to be defense. 65-267, don't you? Oh, they got to show the highlight over the left tackle, didn't they? Oh, boy. Nice arm over.

Let's see what he got. Ooh. Quick first step right there. Okay. Nice. Hey, did you pinch him? Ouch. Here we go.

Versatility playing on the other side. Nice. Let's see what he got. Okay, he hit a head up. Come on, man. Y'all ain't let the bad split you. Here we go. Oh, you got to split you?

Come on, guard. You ain't going to play in the tackle without the guard. That's right. You get that on college football where they line up in those fronts and they don't know who they got. Oh, here we go. With the hat on. Woo, Steelers.

Oh, wow. Watch out. Rodgers is getting old now. You got to be careful. That was aggressive. They finally hit it. They're not picking Roger up when Roger's not on peak. No more lifts.

Look at him. He's messed up his hair. Man, he shook Roger so hard, he's messed up his hair. I like – I really like this pick for y'all. Y'all need an edge. Because Harvard's gone too. Harvard's retired. Yeah. They're not letting Trey go down.

I mean. Do you think they work something out? With Trey? Yeah. Work a trade out. That's what they should have done. It's getting a little late. They want those trades to happen before the draft.

Yeah. That's why I think he might not be going anywhere. I'm not sure what they're going to do. But if Hubbard's going, this is your answer to replace Hubbard. Yeah, you got him to replace Hubbard, but you need what's going on the other side. He's going to be there. We ain't got no choice. We don't have no choice at this point.

But the thing is, he ain't going to want to play on that, what do you make it, 12 and a half, 13 mil? Uh-huh. That's it. He ain't going to want to play on that, what do you make it, 12 and a half, 13 mil? Uh-huh. Is it? And he see the draft, the going rate for a line edge rusher, 30 mil, 35. Yeah. Yep. And fill it up. Yes.

Yep. Because you heard Michael. Michael said today, hey, the market is 35. Yeah. Yeah. The market is $35. That's what it is. I can't go into McDonald's and say I'll give you $2 for that Big Mac. $6 now, sorry.

Look at Miles Garrett. Look at Bosa. Look at Chris Jones. Bro, the market is what the market is. Bro, I'm sorry. When Bitcoin was $100,000, it's $100,000. It has come down, but this market ain't coming down.

You may not like it, but who are you going to play out there if you don't got him? So at what point do we think teams start calling about Shadur? Like an opportunity to move up out of the second round? Pittsburgh. Look, we've really felt

you started hearing the rumblings that Giants weren't going to be in play. Cleveland weren't going to be in play. You got Russ, you got Jameis. Are you really taking a quarterback at third? I don't think so. Now, you got New Orleans, especially with Derek Carr's shoulder. How healthy is he going to be? Once you got

past nine, you looked at everybody else. They got quarterbacks that they've paid or they've drafted in the last year. So you know he wasn't going there. So now Pittsburgh seems like the next. My question to you is, in Pittsburgh, it gets a little cold. Played there a few times. A little wet. Shadour, not a big arm.

Doesn't throw a real tight spiral. Do you think that's a good fit for him? Ball for him gets cold. Yes. In that, it gets cold. Yes. You feel it, it gets cold. That'd be a tough division to have a quarterback.

Hold on. He just played. He just played in Colorado. It gets cold. I think he's going to be all right because despite what he doesn't have as far as arm strength, he's very accurate and precise with his throwing. Yep. You got to be.

That too. He got some good receivers. You got a Steelers fan here in the front row, I think. Seahawks, what do you like to see up? Seahawks, track hall. Lakers at five. Georgia Tech. Who?

Rick. Oh, Lyman. Okay, okay. Gray Zabel. Gray Zabel. North Dakota State. Offensive lineman, always a good decision. A lot of guards have been going here already in the draft.

That's like usually one of those positions you don't really value a whole lot to pick in the top 20. But, yeah. Well, they want to run the ball with Carbino and K-9. Yeah. I like this big. For the most part. I'm surprised, though, considering.

Okay, you bring in the third pick, Sam Darnold. You got J.S. in. Yeah. But you cut Lockett and you trade DK. I'm confused with that. Yeah, right. We're sending mixed messages here. We really are.

Tell me. You have, think about it. You have, I think, for me, I think Geno's better than Sam Darnold. And plus, you got him in the system. Now, granted, you brought the offensive coordinator who called plays last year in Minnesota. I get it. Same guy's going to be in his ear. But he ain't got the same talent pool over there. A little different ballgame out there.

They got to get something else out there. I feel like I'm watching running back highlights and they drafted a guard. They got to get somebody out there at the receiver position on the perimeter. They got to. Day two, they go. Yeah, probably day two. You got some good dudes out there that have been coming there. It won't be no DK Metcalfs.

Right. Won't be that. But you'll have some quality guys that can go out there and play some balls. What you thinking about Tampa? Tampa got a nice defense. They got a receiver. They got Chris Godwin. They got Chris Godwin coming out for injury.

Mike Evans, Mr. Consistent, Cade Arden at tight end. I love those two running backs they got. Love those running backs. Tristan Worth, out of this world offensive line. Yep. Yep. You go in defense, you go offensive lineman. You know, they're in a good position because they don't have any real super obvious needs.

Right. And we got to get something here. Anything they get is the cherry on top. I take Will Johnson. I think a pass catcher, honestly, because some of those guys they got are great, but they're getting a little older. And at the end of the first round, you got to start thinking about that. Injury's starting to come with a little bit more regularity than Chris Godwin. Yep. Like, what, three or four of the last four years, he's missed

a significant amount of time. Yeah. So, yeah. So, Joe's thinking, okay, we'll get a pass catcher. I think they can go either offense or defense. Whatever they do pick for them because they really have no necessary needs.

Yeah. I think it's a cherry on top. It's a cherry on top. They have to do what you already got. They take a defense. Johnson, corner. 4-3, Todd Bowles like to play a conservative. Yeah, maybe corner.

I like... This is a great spot. I like that hat. You don't really need anything to put you over the top. I don't think anything coming right here at 18 is going to put you over the top, but I can add some quality depth. Yeah.

You might start thinking about taking some calls to trade back a little bit, possibly. Right. Okay. We'll see. Usually that happens quicker, though. But here's the thing. Is there anybody that you feel won't be there when you're picking right now?

That's right. Normally you trade. Yeah. You want to slide back but still get the guy that you want. Right. Yeah, if I could slide back to say maybe I don't think Pittsburgh. The question is, Denver might move. I don't think Pittsburgh is moving.

I don't think so. They get a lot of heat if they pass up on Shadur, I think. And I think that the noise is getting louder because they've had success, but they're just not breaking through in the playoffs because they don't have that guy quarterback right now. And in that division, the only way to compete, the only way to win, especially the AFC North,

is with quarterback. Yeah. Because you got Joe Byrne and Lamar. Lamar, yeah. You got... So You can't go into the game and say, oh, yeah, guys, we're going to hold these guys to 17. No. You're not. That ain't happening. Hey, guys, we got to score 35 today.

That's right. The pick is in. Here we go. Huh? No, no, no, no. We're thinking they might trade back. What the Bucks take? Uka.

Ash. Ash, what the court? That's a good one. Emeka Obuka from Ohio State. They took who? Emeka Obuka. Okay, okay. Ohio State.

Been reported they're taking a receiver from. You got to eat more McDonald's. That's it. Joe, you still live in Cleveland? Wisconsin. I'm in Madison. Came back home. Came back home.

The whole family's here. You get to many games in Cleveland? Yeah. I still work for the team, so I get out to a few games. Still got a place out there? Oh, okay. in Cleveland? Yeah. I still work for the team, so I get out to a few games. Still got a place out there? Oh, okay. Makes sense. Yeah.

Not high-dollar real estate, so I can afford a house. But you're not from Madison, are you? I'm from Milwaukee. Okay. Okay. All your families from Saskatchewan. Oh. Are we foreshadowing here, maybe?

Well, we know he's not going to Denver. No, not going to Denver, but Denver's probably fielding calls right now, right? Because everybody's thinking Pittsburgh is where he's going to go. Boom. Got to jump Pittsburgh if you want him. Well, the thing is, is that if somebody already got a first-round pick, traded back, traded my second pick, and I trade you my first, that's good.

Yep. So let's see what Denver does. That's what the Browns did my year. They took me three, then traded. Yeah, Ohio State receiver. I told you. I told you that. A young Mel Kiper right here.

That's a good one. Look, Mike Evans is getting a little older. Chris Godwin, injury prone. Mecca. Mecca. That's a big pick. Ohio State, the receivers. Every time.

Every year, they don't miss. It's receiver you. Oh, here we go. He's fired up. Where is he right now? That looks like one hell of a place. Washington. Woo. Looks like he's in a Ruth's

Chris Steakhouse or something there. You got Tampa weather, indoors in New Orleans, indoors in Atlanta. You get Carolina. If I go to Carolina early, I ain't got nothing. I got 10 games. Every game. Beautiful. He's pretty happy right now.

He's nice. Good route. Got the dagger. There we go. Hands. Ooh, good move, boy. Bigger. I don't know what they do out in Columbus, but they got some receivers coming out every year.

They got a whole bunch. They got Jeremiah Smith. They got Smith coming out. Oh, man, it's not fair, right, what they're doing? You know, they got their five deep at receivers. Yeah. And all of them are first-round picks. What are you thinking about?

And Jamison Williams was there. He couldn't get on the field, so he goes down the barrel, but he's a top-10 pick. That's amazing. He's nice. He couldn't get on the field, so he goes down the barrel, but he's a top-10 pick. That's amazing. He's nice. He's nice. So, Dan Wilson, Chris Olave. If I'm the Broncos, I trade.

I try to trade back. What? But you trade back? Yeah. I trade out of the first round and pick up me an extra pick. You think so? Uh-oh, let's see. Ash, what are the Broncos looking like?

Broncos on the clock. We got four minutes. What? Todd. Todd will pick up a LBFs. On a stress getting ready for the draft. Thought of late night hamburger runs. That's a good. I like it.

I like it. I mean, Joe, you called this one Joe you said hey you gotta start thinking about that next generation of pass catchers you do you do

you do that's dope they in front of the Broncos what do I need hell I might take a receiver yeah I like gold

I like I like a receiver I might take a receiver. Yeah. I like gold. I like a receiver here. I like a receiver. Hold on. What about Hampton? Running back. Well, you got two running backs already. What you call him? Javante Williams in Dallas now.

That's right. Dearly. Boy, that boy be toting that ball, boy. He run hard. I like this. I like a receiver. I wouldn't be surprised if they go running back. Sean Payton thinks back to his Saints days,

Deuce McAllister. I mean, be able to pound the clock and to be able to pair. Mark Ingram, Reggie Bush. That's right. He like a two-back. You've got to have that running back in that system. And when you've got a young quarterback that you want to help to that next level, you get that running game going, then you start opening up stuff down the field.

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now on Audible. I can't hear you. I don't know why, but I think Hampton. Yeah, I'm in complete agreeance. Hampton. Absolutely not. Are you serious? Eagles, Bengals, Steelers, Dolphins, Vikings.

Would I be? I mean, the list goes on. I fucking love you, sir. We haven't had a big play receiver in a very long time. But I think it's Hampton. I think Hampton's going to be the pick. Remember we talked about it. Yeah, yeah. We could definitely.

We could definitely use it. Is it Hampton or Golden? Hey, Denver's a beautiful city. Who were they taking right now? Running back? I think Hampton. Who do you want them to take? Hampton?

Yeah. I think everybody up here wants Hampton. Pick is in. All right. Should do it. We know they're not taking it. Should do it. Nope. Any of those other guys are in play, though.

Yep. Yeah, I still think Hampton's the pick right here. I agree. You got to boost that run game. You got to have that workhorse back. Do you think they pick another DB to go on the other side of the pack? They like him. He kept getting beat all year.

I know. But they say he came back off an injury. So they're like, okay, he was playing really well before he got nicked. Who? Who? Who? Oh. Who did it take, Simmons? Shot at Barron. Huh? Shot at Bar baron the corner from texas oh wow

you can't you can't hear ash no no i said no oh yeah you know you unplugged it? Yeah. She said to come over there. There would be a little bit of cheering in here if that happened. Ah. And there's going to be a lot of booing if they don't do that. Yeah. I'm good. I'm good.

Yep, I got you. It's going to be... No, we good. We're good, yeah. I got you, Ash. I got you. Ash. I got you. I was unplugged. All right.

Cornerback? Cornerback. We've been wrong before. I'm a little surprised by it, but you can never have enough good corners. We're dealing with Patrick Mahomes, Justin Harbour. Yeah, he got some problems in that division for all the football. Jadé

Barron. Jadé Barron. Texas. Well, Golden was right there. Yeah. They took a Texas player, but it just wasn't a player that we thought they were going to take yeah uh oh this is the pick Uh-oh.

This is the pick I'm really intrigued by. I can't wait to see what Pittsburgh's going to do here. If they don't take Shidua, he's not going to the first. No, I know. He's going to slide out. I totally agree. They ain't taking no quarterback. Kansas City ain't taking no quarterback.

Buffalo ain't taking no quarterback. Baltimore ain't taking no quarterback. Buffalo ain't taking a quarterback. Baltimore ain't taking a quarterback. Yeah, and the other thing is there's nobody that's going to jump into the first round and give something up to take him. There's nobody that's obviously going to take him that's already right there. Right. Stay home, stay home, stay home. Pull up.

Give me some air. He's not afraid to come up and hit. Good play, boy. Uh-uh. I like it. I like that pick. I like that pick a lot. Yeah.

I like him opposite PS2. I like him opposite Ocho. That's going to be nice. That's going to be nice. I like that. So, I mean. If you do it, man, Ocho. What?

If you don't go here. I mean, he's going here. It makes sense. It only makes sense. You heard that, right? What are the people in Pittsburgh thinking right now? Do Steelers fans want Shadurah Sanders? Shadurah, what's feel like he's the answer?

Taking a DT. Oh, man. So, wait, wait. If we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at 20, if we're at He was a lineman. cam hayward he's still there

but you know they play a three four so he you know he's an opposite of cam okay wow so if you look at it now there It was very rumbling that he might slide. It's happening. It was interesting because just a couple weeks ago, all the talk in Cleveland was about, do you take Shador? And I think more than 50% thought that Shador was going to go to Cleveland at number two. Now he might fall out of the first round. He's not going to Houston.

He's not going to the Rams. He's not going to the Ravens. He's not going to the Bills. He's not going to the Eagles. He's not going to Kansas City. That's the problem when you're a quarterback. He's not going to Detroit. And you don't get picked in the top half.

Those teams picking in the second half of the first round, they don't need quarterbacks. Hold on. That's why they went to the playoffs. Let's talk about if you do sit about the first round. Yeah. When it comes to the second round, what team still need a quarterback at that point?

Cleveland. The Giants. So there's still the possibility he can still go to the Giants or Cleveland? Yes. That's not a bad thing. No. That's not a bad thing. We don't see the glasses half full when it's half full. What?

You heard the boo? It took a de-tackle. Oh, wow. We got a few Steelers fans that are feeling a little upset right now. I wish he had the mic. Here, give him the mic. Wow.

Oh, wow. Wee! The man's never had a losing season and we're calling for him to get fired up here. Wow. Get out of here. Well, there's at least a few Steelers fans are excited. The fans like him, not this one.

But we talk about Pittsburgh. Well, hell, if you go to the Cleveland, they play the same team that the Steelers play. And everybody outside. Oh, yeah. You go to the Giants. Yep. They outside. Yeah.

And it's cold. Yes. No, he's not going to the Chargers, the Bills. Oh, he ain't going to the Packers. Oh, you're talking about gold. I thought you were talking about Chidori. Yeah, that's possible. That's a big boy, man.

They done sold him. They done sold him. Yeah. They done said all those bad things, but, you know. They did enough on him. They did enough on him. Yeah. They did a good job on him.

He can get his get back, though. He can get his get back. Yeah. Hell, that was the fourth round that became the highest paid quarterback in NFL history. Hey, and you get to the bag quicker because, you know what I'm saying, you got to get that shit. That's your option if you're in the second round. Oh, man.

Steelers love the big old linemen like that. They can't help themselves. They can't help themselves. They got to pick a D lineman. You got a big D lineman, they just can't help themselves. They love the five-tens. I mean, he look just like he buys your campaign. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Man. That kind of, that upsets me a little bit. I think we all surprised other than the Steelers. Yeah, they don't look surprised at all. I'm trying to figure out what's your answer at the quarterback position to be able to compete in the AFC North? Mason Rudolph. Is Mason Rudolph your answer? You've already, you've already, you've already. I'm smiling to figure out what's your answer at the quarterback position to be able to compete in the AFC North? Is Mason Rudolph your answer? You've already – I'm smiling right now.

That's all I can say. You've already had him. You put Mason Rudolph out there every game. You had him. You let him go to Tennessee. For a reason. If he was that guy, you never allow him out of your building. Yep.

I don't know him leaving and coming back. You think he's got some great coaches somewhere? What changed? Nope. Nope. I'm confused. Making moves like that means you don't know what to do at that position. You don't.

You got no plan. But you know what that tells me? I got security at this job, though. Exactly. That's what that tells me, Joe. Check your phone. Chargers. What do we think? Where are their positions of need?

What are they thinking? I think this is the golden spot right here. Oh, my. I think golden goes right here. I think Harbaugh wants somebody that. Remember the number five? He ended up going to Buffalo.

Remember for the Chargers? What was the number five's name for the Chargers? Palmer. Palmer. I think he's in Buffalo now. Okay. So, makes sense. Makes sense. I think Harbaugh wants a pass catcher for Herbert.

Yeah. That's an obvious position for me that they want to upgrade. They want to give him somebody that they can grow together and have 10 years together. Right. Joe, thanks for stopping by. Hey, give it up for Joe Thomas, guys. Joe Thomas. From Football Hall of Fame.

Thanks, guys. See you, baby. I got to say thank you. I got a little gift for you guys. Come on. You're getting hungry up here. My man over here said I'll be right back. All right.

Hey, guys. We got the number three overall draft pick joining us, Abdul Carter. Just a second. Get him in the back. The number three. Hey. What? You're a trampoline. Man, you crazy, man.

Hey, you too fat to stop me. Great. Man, this is great. What we got, Joe? Appreciate that. Yo, thank you, baby. You're welcome, baby. Hey, after the show is on, me and you.

Yeah. Yeah. And don't try to run. Don't try to run. Wow. Don't run. Yeah. I don't think anybody saw this, but we saw this over the last week.

People were talking about Shadur could possibly side out of the first round. If he didn't go early, if he didn't go two, if he didn't go three, if he didn't go 21, nobody after 21 needs a quarterback. Kansas City has said it. Buffalo has said it. Baltimore has said it. The Chargers are set. But I will say this.

It's not how high you go. It's where you go. He still has a chance to go to Cleveland in the second round, go to the Giants in the second round. Yeah. Ah. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Bro, I'm back. I'm back. Man. What was it like in the green room waiting that call? Did you have an idea that it could possibly be the Giants? Yeah, I definitely had a good feeling. I usually trust my gut. My gut said New York. My parents wanted me to go to New York, so I'm a New York Giant.

You had a journey. You wanted to go play college football. That was your dream. Probably Penn State was your dream college situation. Now it's a different journey. Your journey to get here. Now the journey starts all over again to be great here. What has prepared you for this moment? Yeah, I'm going to have to start with my dad, just him training me my whole life,

teaching me everything I know, all the work I put in, all the sacrifices they made for me, and now it all starts again. I'm back to work, back grinding, and I'm ready to get started. I like that. I'm back to work, back grinding, and I'm ready to get started. I like that. I got you. I'm thinking about rookie year coming in, setting short-term goals. What would your short-term goals be coming in to be a New York Giant? What would you set so far?

I haven't written anything down yet, but I'm definitely going to get some goals I want to accomplish. I'm usually like I'm big on that, writing down my goals, chasing them, but I'm definitely going to think about some things tonight. You go to the Giants. The Giants have always had really good defenses. Kayvon Thibodeau on one side. You got Big Lawrence in the middle.

Now you on the other side. Have you thought about what it's going to be like, that front four, that front seven, trying to attack the quarterbacks in that division? You got the Washington Commanders. You got Jalen Hurst, the Super Bowl defending champ, Giants. With Saquon Barkley and those talented wide receivers out there, You got the Washington Commanders. You got Jalen Hurst, the Super Bowl defending champ, Giants. With Saquon Barkley and those talented wide receivers out there, and you got the Dallas Cowboys, Dak Prescott, C.D. Lamb.

Jerry says he has some trades up his sleeve. We haven't seen it yet. Have you thought about what your defense is going to look like when you go out there and your first OTA is coming up? Yeah, for sure. But first, I just want to meet those guys, get to know them as men, develop a relationship as a teammate. And once I do that, we're going to hit the field. It's create a habit.

You do realize now, you follow the guy, you wear that number 11, you got to be a hell raiser. You put that jersey on at Penn State for a reason. Now, the last guy that came out of Penn State that wore that jersey, he was a defensive rookie of the year. Have you said, you know, I'm sure you guys have healthy competition. Like, hey, you got it. I'm going to get it too. Yeah. So what's your expectation?

That award, would you like to? Obviously, you'd like to win it. But have you thought that far in advance what it would mean for you to go out there and have that type of season? If I do everything I'm supposed to do, pick the work end first, all that's going to come with it. You're going to take care of yourself. Yeah, rookie of the year. I want to be all, probably want to do it all. But at the end of the day, my main goal, I want to win.

It's going to help my team win. Has it sunk in yet? Has it sunk in yet? Yeah, for sure not. It's going to hit you. It's going to hit you. When you were a kid, you say your dad has trained you your whole life, and you

trained a lifetime. You prepared a lifetime for this moment. So you're sitting back there. You know you're going early. You just don't know where you're going. It could be Cleveland. It could be the Giants. You don't know, but you know I'm going early. It's not going to be a long.

Hey, Mom, hey, don't worry about it, guys. We're going to be out here in 20 minutes. I promise you. 20, 30 tops. It might not be 20, but 30 tops and we done. It was more nervous to me, but I had a pretty good feeling where I was going to go. So I'm happy to be a New York Giant. Go Big Blue.

That's live. That's dope. That's dope. So now, obviously, you're headed up there. As soon as you leave us, you're going to head up there. Go around and meet the coaching staff. Meet the ownership. Meet general manager.

Probably, I don't know how long you're going to be up there. Are you going to look for a place while you're up there, or are you going to have that kind of time? Yeah, we're going to have to figure all that out, but I really just want to go back, celebrate with my parents, my mom, my dad, give them another hug, and celebrate this moment. When you get back home, where are you from? I'm from Philly. Oh, you're from Philly.

I'm on New York, though. I'm on New York. You're on New York. When you get back home in Philly, all your family, friends, and loved ones that have known Abdul Carter his entire life, what is that moment going to be like when you get with all your family, friends, and loved ones, and they get an opportunity to celebrate with you because it takes abilities to raise Abdul Carter? I can't wait. I'm real thankful for them, everybody who helped me get to this moment.

And I can't wait to give back just knowing everybody that helped me get here, all the sacrifices people made. But, I mean, I was talking to Ocho. I said, Ocho, even Pops iced out. He said, I ain't finna let you out. Do we all do it? Give me some ice while you at it. Did the Pops got a grill, too?

No, he don't got the grill, but he got the Adidas chain on. Yeah, he got it. Okay. Looking sharp. I know your mom was like, she was really emotional back there. You got the Adidas chain on. Yeah, okay. Looking sharp. I know your mom was like, she was really emotional back there. I saw her. I think that was your sister with her also, right?

That's me. And she was like, I'm looking at your mom, and she was like, whew, relieved. Yeah. I'm sure she did a lot of praying for this moment. Yeah, seeing her happy, seeing her proud of me, that's my heart. Nothing can give me more joy. Nothing can make me more happy seeing her happy for me. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

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Congratulations to you and the family. And, man, I wish you nothing but love and luck, man. I appreciate you, old chef. You know you're going to get a big old check. That first check will be big. What's the first thing you're going to do? I got to take care of my people first, give my mom and dad something nice. I'm definitely going to get me something nice to treat myself.

Yeah. So when you get something nice, you're talking about a vehicle, you're going to get another piece of ice. What are you looking at? Probably a vehicle. What's your dream vehicle? Probably something more low-key. I already had my dream.

My first car was my dream car. What was it? What was that? A Tesla Model X. I already had my dream. My first car was my dream car. What was it? What was that? A Tesla Model X. The X-Plan or just regular? Man, stop playing with me, man. What you finna get, man? Stop talking about the Tesla.

We'll see what happens. I want something more low-key, stay out of the way. Okay, okay. Oh, so you're looking for a slide, huh? Yeah. But, I mean, what do your mom what do you, what do your mom, what do your mom and dad want? Do they want a new crib?

Do they want vehicles? What do they want? Um. Have you, have you asked them? Have they, have you thought about it? They can get whatever they want. It's all on me. Yeah, I like that.

I like that. What you gonna get sis? Whatever she want. It's all you? It's all on me. Well, I want, you know what I want? Nah, not you, not you, not you. Wait, wait, wait, slide your uncle's jersey

or something. Send me something. I can get y'all a jersey for sure. I just want a coupon from McDonald's. Um, we'll see. I don't think I want 11, but there's a number I got. You got a number in mind? Yeah, I got a number. Does anybody have it? Because you know you might have to get off some bread if somebody got it.

So who got 11? No, he said he don't want 11. No. 11 was a Penn State thing. He said, I'm starting from scratch. You got to keep that thing going, boy. Nah, I want something new. Double zero.

Double zero. Nah. He said, plus Michael 11. I ain't finna do that. I did that at Penn State. We kept that lineage going. Now it's time for Abdul. You got to go single digit, though.

No, it's a double digit. It's a double digit? Yeah. It's retired, though, but we'll see. I got to have some conversation. As long as it ain't 56, you might can get it. But if it's 56, I don't know if you can get that one now. I love to hear that.

I love to hear that. You want to follow LT? But we'll see what happens. And you do know that's a big shoot to feel. Hell yeah. I'll feel big shoes before I do it again. Okay, okay. I like that.

Because when they talk about the best defensive players ever, you never go past LT. You hear a lot of people say, we talk about wide receivers, it might be Randy, it might be running backs, it might be Barry Emmett or Jim Brown or Walter Payton. You go to a lot of different – when it comes to defensive players. One dude.

That's the GOAT. Yeah. And he don't even go by real name. He go by initials. LT. Bad Abdul, man. I'm so proud of you, man. I've been watching your tape.

I was looking at you at the bowl game, and I was like, man, he just – I mean, he beating these guys with one move, and then it's like, well, nah, he had his shoulder. His shoulder was messed up. Man, you're real. I mean, you're tremendous that first step. You can turn, translate, speed to power. You can bend the edges.

You've got a great snatch, arm, rip, the bull. How do you get better? What does Abdul-Karni need to work on to get better? I think there's a lot of ways I can get better. It was my first year in a new position, so I'm just getting started. The sky's the limit for me. I can just keep getting better.

I can play tight end, too. Oh, you're trying to pull a trap. You're trying to pull a trap. No, I'm just saying. He ain't the only one who can do it, but hey. So they put you on the goal line. You're going to go catch it? Hell yeah.

Put it out there in the universe. Yes, sir. The Giants. So obviously when you visited the Giants, you had a great conversation. What made you so sure? What made you feel comfortable that the Giants was the place that you were probably going to end up? Yeah, I just trusted my gut. My gut told me the Giants, my parents wanted me to go there.

Because they're close by. They can drive up. They can catch the fella. Anytime they want. Yeah. So I just felt a good connection with them. They got to know me. I got to know them. It was a perfect fit. I'm a New York Giant. You getting season tickets? For who?

Your mom. Mom and dad. They're not going to miss a game for sure. I know them. Plus, when you Philly, they're going to see Washington is not that far away. They're going to see you 10 times a year. Right there. Closed.

That's unbelievable. Yes, sir. When you was growing up, did you ever think you'd be a New York Giant? Fun fact, when I was 12 or 13 years old, I had a dream I got drafted up by the Giants, but it's hard to believe, but I actually had a dream I got drafted here. So you didn't want to, being from Philly, your dream wasn't to play for the Eagles? Yeah, but they had picked 32 They would have to trade up

Hey I'm doing saying for the whole y'all down when I was trying to be big 32. I'm in New York Oh, no, hey the third pick in the draft. Hey, you got some on my green by a bro Hey, I want to brag and glow to the both, but you know your boy. You're almost – because LeVar went two. Yeah, he went two for sure. He went three. Yeah.

And, you know, his knees wore out on him, but LeVar – I was in the league when I was kind of at the tail end of my career with LeVar. You were the ace. Yeah. The ace, boy. Yeah. The one thing, you wear that level, because you can't put that level on if you ain't no hair-raising out there.

His son got it now, so we're going to see what he do. But yeah, all those guys that look out for me, they took me under their wing, and I'm real thankful for those guys. Yeah, yeah. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. And I'm so proud of you. I know your family's proud of you.

Abdul, man, thanks for coming, bro. We really appreciate it. Because we know. Tell Bailey things. Abdul, call the guys. What? Abdul, here. Get this down.

No. Don't forget to eat your McDonald's. Oh. Man. Thank you. Oh, boy. Thank you. Man. Abdul-Karnas, well. Congratulations. Man.

Abdul Carter, ladies and gentlemen. The third pick in the draft, the New York football giants. Yeah, what do you got? Yeah. Oh. What y'all taking? What y'all taking? Jahai Campbell.

Campbell. Campbell. Jahai Campbell. You're saying Campbell. All right, coach. I like Warren better. I like Warren better. I'm not saying he's not good, but Warren.

I think Warren can be special. They traded. They're mine. Matthew Golden to the Packers They traded back They traded Matthew Golden to the Packers No they traded it No Matthew's going to the Packers. No, they straightened it.

No? Packers. Golden. Oh. All right. Okay. We can't tell you what they're going to do, but you're going to be surprised. You're going to be surprised.

Nah, you'll be happy with the pick. Jay. Yeah. They're doing something with a division rival. No, for real. I'm saying you're going to be surprised. You're going to be happy with the pick, but you're going to be surprised how they got the pick. Look at what they did Look at what they did

What we got What we got What we got What we got Selection is in. You're going to be happy, but it's surprising how they got there. How's it going? That's a good pick. That's a good pick.

I like it. I like it. But that means somebody's gone. Who? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hamstrings. Speed is too cold out here. When you a fast guy, you don't like cold weather.

He can run too, Doc. Yeah. I like this pick. Yeah. You like this pick? You like Golden? So you good now, huh? They trading with Green Bay.

He nice. I mean, with Minnesota. He's nice. I mean, with Minnesota. He's nice. They're going to ask, who did Minnesota take? They took Jahad Campbell. Campbell You too. Jahar Tamu. Jahar Tamu to the Vikings. Wow.

Ain't nothing better than you being a receiver and going to a team that has a quarterback. And that throws the ball. He's going to let it rip. Huh? I love the pick for Green Bay. I love the pick. Hey. Hey, what? Huh?

He a farm. Yeah, his family got a farm. Yeah, I guess his family does sausage. I'm going to make you walk home. Make you walk home. Ash, I thought they was taking what you call them? Uh-oh. They taking Donovan Jackson, O-line, Ohio State. Where?

Who? Where did he go? Huh? Ohio State. I know, but whatline. Ohio State. Where? Where'd he go? Huh? Ohio State. I know, but what team? Vikes. Vikes? Okay.

Wow. Not even 100. Who? Me? Not even 10. Where you from? You're from St. Louis? What you doing with a... Nah.

You said a we? You said you're from St. Louis. You should have on Rams gear. Wow. That's your team. Wow. So you're a bandwagon. You're a bandwagoner.

Whoa. Pause. Oh, let's go, boy. Give me that. Nice. That was nice. Nice. But it's hard to play that speed out that close to the goal line if that guy collides you.

Mm-hmm. Because he can knock you off balance. Every time. And most of the time what's going to happen is you get a DV in the NFL, they're going to hold it right on you. You're a tool. You're a tool. You have to be there.

Mm-hmm. I don't know. We will see. Wow. They're trading back? Into the first round. Why would they trade back? Quarterback.

You mean trading up? Trading back into the first. Yes. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So now they go get the go get your boy. Yep. And that's a good market too. Big market.

Donovan Jackson, guard Ohio State. Vikings. Hey, you want to make another bet? Yeah, he ran. What did he run? 4-3? You want to make another bet? Yeah, he read. What did he read? 4-3? You want to make another bet? Shador to the Giants. Giants just traded back.

Ah, Giants traded traded back Ah Giants Traded back to Houston Can you make That'll be dope Abdul Carter And you go back And you get Shadur You get everything you wanted

You get the You get the defensive player You wanted And the quarterback That you like At the spot That you wanted it On one-year deals.

Shador gets to sit back for a year, watch Russ, watch Janus, take everything in. I like it. I like the pit. If this is the move, and I don't see it. I like this move. Right. Because I get what I wanted.

Right. I address what I need first. I address my need. I like that. Look. Look at Gilly. Big Gilly. Jackson Dart. Somebody else might move up and get him, though. Or are they taking Jackson Dart?

They taking a quarterback. There's no way you trade back into the first round if you're not taking a quarterback. There's no way you trade back into the first round if you're not taking a quarterback. Right. No way. Jackson Dart. They took Dart. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.

It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.