Nightcap - Nightcap - Jaguars/Saints Reaction + Davante Adams Needs The Ball

Episode Date: October 20, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the Jaguars beating the Saints, why the Raiders need to get Davante Adams the ball, if Shannon should go on a date with Kim Kardashian, and more.  #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Bonus bets expire 168 hours after issuance. See sportsbook.draftkings.com slash football terms for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to another edition of Nightcap. I am your favorite, oh, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, a six-time Pro Bowler. Cincinnati Big Eagle legend

Chad Ocho Cinco. Johnson, thank you again for joining us. Thank you for getting us up to 125,000 followers. Remember, Ocho, we just went to 50,000 on Monday night. We're at 125. So continue to hit that

subscribe button. Tell your friends to hit the subscribe button because Ocho Cinco and Unc, we doing big things over here on Nightcap. And on Sunday, we're going to announce a special giveaway. So stay tuned for that. That's going to be on Sunday. Let's jump right into it, Ocho. The Jags beat the Saints 31-24.

Trevor Lawrence was 20-29, 204 yards, a touchdown. Derek Carr was 33-55, 3-0-1, one touchdown, one pick. The Saints had the ball first and goal at the six-yard line. Four straight incompletions. They should have had a touchdown on third down, but Moreau, his hands got stiff. He locked his fingers up. In that situation, you got to relax.

You got to relax. Yeah, most definitely. Listen, I'm going to start from the beginning of the game. Obviously, I thought it was going to be a runaway by the Jacksonville Jaguars. They've been playing some phenomenal football, man. Ever since Trevor Lawrence got there, that team has turned the dynamic and turned everything around. And being a competitor, as opposed to what we're used to seeing Lawrence got there, that team has turned the dynamic and turned everything around and being

a competitor as opposed to what we're used to seeing from the Jacksonville Jaguars. Being up 24-9, honestly, I thought the game was over. I thought the game was over. And I just, for the life of me, I can't understand why the Saints aren't the same intimidating Saints I'm used to seeing, especially offensively. Obviously, Drew Brees is not there. Derek Carfield's in. But you have the likes of Michael Thomas, Olave. Chris Olave.

Rasheed. Tayson Hill. Alvin Kamara. Alvin Kamara. And what are we doing? There used to be an intimidating factor from the Saints offensively, and it's just not there. Obviously, we're able to come back in the game and make it a game again.

And I just don't know what it is. The games, you shouldn't be having to play from behind with a team like that, structured in that manner, with that type of talent surrounding you as a quarterback. I don't know what the problem is. But I think that's the problem is the quarterback. They don't believe. And I understand they're going to go out there and say, oh, we believe,

we believe, we believe. But at the end of the day, your quarterback is what gives you that belief that you can go out there. And when you have that guy, it doesn't matter what's on the other side. It doesn't matter what their defense is. It doesn't matter what their defense is. It doesn't matter who their quarterback is. As long as we got a quarterback that we believe

in and we know what he's more than capable of doing. Look, I mean, John, I mean, how many situations have Derek Carr, how many coaches have Derek Carr gotten fired? Dennis Allen about to fire now. He about to get another one. Now, John Gruden was going to end up getting fired. I mean, I know Mark Davis didn't want to fire him.

He had a 10-year contract for $100 million. But the coach before that, Derek Carr, got him fired. Derek Carr, if you just look at the stats, if you just look at the stats, 33-55, 3-0-1, a touchdown, and he should have had a second touchdown. And then who knows what would have happened but Ocho he plays you know you look at him and you're like man

he can make every throw and then he'll go a stretch where he go like an entire quarter and you're like has this dude ever thrown a football has he ever played the game of football and it just leaves you scratching your head like wrong one minute you...

Also, I'm looking at it in its totality and really not just putting everything on him. Because as I'm watching, I'm looking at receivers giving up on routes. I'm looking at receivers dropping balls and not saving your quarterback. Sometimes you got to HBO

your quarterback. Help a brother out. Sometimes everything's not going to be perfect. Sometimes on certain routes, you know, you have DB sitting on you, and he has to scramble a little bit. Come back to the ball. You know, save a little bit. Reset everything. Reset the alignment to help him out sometimes because it doesn't play out

all the time just how it's drawn up. You know, you got to improvise sometimes. And to help the quarterback out, I saw him fussing, you know, with Olave sometimes on some things, on some hot routes. I saw him fuss with Kamara on some hot routes that he should have broken off based on blitzes that were coming. So there was a few mental mistakes, a few missed assignments. So I wouldn't really put everything on Derek Carr.

But the onus, because he is a quarterback, he's going to get most of the goddamn blame. But there's some other things from other people that I did see out there today, which is they have just as much reason for the loss as does Derek Carr. You know, Ocho, I used to do a lot of things in the game time, and the coach would say,

well, why'd you do that? That's not the way we drew it up. I said, yeah, but when you drew it up on the board, them X's and O's didn't move. Hell, I got out of the game. Guess what? If I'm an X, I'm moving, and the O damn sure moved. So I had to run

my route accordingly, or I had to do accordingly. Yeah, I understood that you say this is what he normally does, but that's not what he did. So I had to act accordingly. I can't go out there because you're going to look at me crazy. I come back to the sideline and say, well, I ran it like this. You told me to go 12 yards and the guy

said the date. You always told me never go behind the DB to run my route, break the route off in front of it. So that's what I did. It's just, I mean, like I said, I hate the fact that Monroe dropped the ball on third down. And I know, I've been there. I've done it. I dropped the play in, I dropped the pass in 91 Moreau dropped the ball on third down. And I know I've been there.

I've done it. I dropped the play in nine. I dropped the pass in 91 in the South End zone. It's my old, my old joke that would have given us whole field throughout the playoffs. We went to Buffalo and lost the AFC championship game 10-7. Listen, I dropped one. I dropped one just like Moreau when I was with the Patriots and Buffalo. Hit me right in the hands.

Lack of focus. Yep. Too tensed up. I think I was too relaxed on that one. It was too relaxed. It just went right through my hands. I don't know what was going on. I don't know what happened with me.

But stuff like that happens, and it's crazy how you lose your lack of focus for a split second. Just a second. Just a second. That's all it takes. And the ball right out your hands. Yeah, I remember in driving home crying like a baby. I called my brother on the phone.

He's like, bro, what's going on? You was crying? Man, was I? Because that, you know, Ocho, when you trying to like make a name for yourself and I wasn't getting a whole lot of opportunities. Right. So my whole mindset was when I got an opportunity, cash it in. Yeah, yeah yeah so it's kind of like the way i played in the ravens i wasn't gonna get a whole lot of opportunities but i'm trying to hit my head on the goalpost every opportunity that i got

so i know i might not get one catch right but okay can you make it something special right and so that was my one that was my one chance i'm like man coach like hey this is what's gonna and it didn't happen just like he said we we're going to line you up here. We're going to motion you out, and they're going to motion Jerry Robinson with you. So that's going to be a linebacker that's going to be you. Man, I shook him so bad. Ocho, I just

knew it. And what I did, I short-armed Ocho. Instead of just... All I had to do was do this, and I did it like this. It went right off your fingertips, huh? Right off my fingertips, man. Right off my fingertips. Broke my heart.

Yeah. And I just remember, it's like, God, if you ever put me back in that situation again. Never happen again. That's never going to happen. So, I mean, what about the Jags? If you look at this play that the Jags got to get the lead, that's a simple Zorro route.

Ladies and gentlemen at home, you run that route on third or fourth down trying to pick up a couple yards because they have man coverage. That's not a route that you hit your head on the goalpost zone. You're not going 44 yards on a Zorro, Ocho. I've scored several times. That's a route they put in in the West Coast. Peterson was the quarterback in the west coast um under with andy right and so i'm like bro how how do you score 44 yards on a zorro route

well i think they scored obviously they were there was a man and then not only were they a man there was a mismatch there's a mismatch why is not a nickel why yeah why is a nickel not on christian kirk Why is the Honey Badger, who normally, your safety, always coming down in the box if you want to play Rob or something, why is he on Christian Kirk in that situation on third down anyway?

What are we doing? He's not going to be able to cover him. I don't care if they got Cam. I don't care if they got Cam Jordan. What about the angles that they took to get him down? He still went 44 yards on Zorro Raucho. But you got to think about it. Listen, it's man to man.

Where's all the DB's backs facing? Where's everybody? They looking that way. So by the time they turn around, Christian Kirk is in full speed, already passing by. You notice once he caught the ball and got going upfield, everybody looked around. It was too late.

He was full tilt. He was already full tilt. It was a house call from that point. They took some horrible angles. Once he makes that play, Honeybadger knows he's got to get up the field, so I'm going to try to intercept him at a point. I ain't going down the line. Forget forget the first stop before yeah forget trying to stop him from

the first down that's the least of your concerns now now i'm not i'm trying not to let him get six points out of that right right right right yeah it was too late it was too and then chris kirk is already fast he's already fast it is he doesn't need to be tyreek hill fast but you got to think in the nfl it's all about angles it's all about angles and once you get somebody that's already fast as it is. He doesn't need to be Tyreek Hill fast, but you got to think. In the NFL, it's all about angles. It's all about angles. And once you get somebody that's already ahead of you, man, ain't nothing you can do. Ain't nothing you can do.

Man, where'd you get that bad bro jacket from? Oh, this is from Urban Outfitters. Right back from Beyond? No, this is from Urban Outfitters. It was on the sale rack, $20. Man. You don't like this? That's when you got your phone.

That's when you got your phone. You hear buzzing in the bedroom. And you put that on. You put that on and go get it. Now, this is some good material. Now, this is good quality. Yeah, this is good quality. That's a towel.

You drive with that. Now, this is 100% cotton. It's imported from Italy. What you talk about? What you think they make towels out of? Silk? Nah, I'm saying the type of quality this is. This is good quality. This is imported from Italy. Yeah.

Yeah. Really? Oh, you're talking about little Italy over in New York? No, I'm talking about the real... This is from Naples. Naples, Italy. This is from Naples. Oh, that's from Florida? Yeah, I got a crib in New York. No, I'm talking about the real – this is from Naples. Naples, Italy. This is from Naples. This comes from Naples. Yeah, I got – I got a crib in Naples. Nah, nah.

This is real good quality. You don't know nothing about this. Yeah, I'm trying to make fun of myself. Devontae Adams is very frustrated with his role in the offense. I would be too. He says, I'm not just – I'm just not here to hang out. What are your thoughts on 17? in the offense. I would be too. He says, I'm just not here to hang out. What are your thoughts on 17?

My thoughts are on 17 is that's right. That's right. Why does he have to settle for mediocrity? Because they have. Why does he have to? Why does he have to? You have a top-tier receiver on your team that gives you a chance to win week in and week out. He have a top tier receiver on your team that gives you a chance to win week in and week out. He is a difference maker. He is someone that can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere on the field.

He is someone that makes everyone else around him job easier, including the officer coordinator, including the quarterback. They played the goddamn New England Patriots last weekend. He had two catches. Mind you, you might have won the game. But let's say you weren't playing the New England Patriots. Don't allow teams to dictate what you want to do with your best players, especially someone of that magnitude, if you want to have a winning attitude and have a winning mentality. Dictate what you want to do.

Don't allow them to dictate to you. I can keep going. Talk to me. Talk to me. Don't allow them to dictate to you. I can keep going. Talk to me. Talk to me. Ocho. Yes, sir. The Patriots are not dictating where the ball's going. The quarterback is.

Look at the quarterback that you got. What did you think you was going to get when you got Jimmy Garoppolo? Whoa. What did you? Oh, go ahead. You got Jimmy Garoppolo, right? Yeah. You could have the pope on the center you

could have the pope on the center who don't know don't know nothing about football and you look at davante adams resume and understanding what he can do regardless of coverage regardless of needing the help of our officer coordinator to scheme him open understanding he has the dna to get it off the muscle from anywhere, from the outside, from the inside, coming at the backfield, condensed split, tight split, wide split. He doesn't even need help. He's what I like to call it. Remember Marvin Harrison?

Remember Marvin Harrison? He should land up on the right side of the field. Right. And all Peyton had to say was, hey, you know what? Get open. I don't need to scheme nothing. that davante is that type of player so it doesn't matter who's playing quarterback you know you have someone that is going to be open for you every single time it's easy it's not hard why you don't have to complicate it

why make it difficult think about this ocho go back and look and look at Jimmy Garoppolo when he played his best football. It was in San Francisco with Kyle Shanahan. Look at Kyle Shanahan's system. Now, what did Jimmy do? Quick pass, jailbreak screen, handoff, swing passes. Right. Okay. So are you going to change?

That's not just, I mean, so are you going to revamp your offense to get the maximum? Because you got to understand, and this is what I always tell people. Right. When you sign a guy in free agency. Yes, sir. You better use him like they used him where he came from and why you fell in love with him. Right.

Because if you don't, you see, if I get a towel, if I buy a towel to drive with it, it shouldn't be a shower curtain. It shouldn't be curtains that I hang up in my living room because that's not what I bought it for. You got Jimmy G and you know what his skill set was. So why are we upset that he can't maximize what Devontae does when he

never did that for anybody else? This is the thing. He's never done it with anybody else, but he's also never had a Devontae Adams. He's also never had a Devontae Adams. He's also never had a Devontae Adams. Come hell or high water, Jimmy G, being a quarterback, you have someone that makes your job

easy. You know what? I know whatever play I call right now, regardless of coverage, I know who I can count on. I know who I can count on to win every single time. Every single time. Sometimes you get improvised. Sometimes as a quarterback, you can go off script based on the

personnel that's surrounding you. Devontae Adams is one of those people. Can you imagine? I'm just thinking, hypothetically speaking, if I never played quarterback a day in my life, never played quarterback a day in my life at the highest level. Too bad for you. But if I was with the Raiders, listen, I'm feeding that.

I'm feeding that because I know I can move up and down the field by feeding the individual that cannot be stopped regardless of what they do defensively. All we have to do is put them in positions to win. It's really simple. I'm not sure whose ego is so complicated or whose ego is so inflamed over there offensively. Whoever the coordinator may be, it's easy. It's not hard. No disrespect. He's a better coordinator than any other head coach.

As a head coach, he was an epic failure in Denver. Do you think he's calling the plays? Yes. He's only been good in New England. Remember when he was the OC at the Rams? He was terrible. Remember when he was the head coach at the Broncos? He was terrible.

Right. He backed out of a job. He had a job in Indy. He backed out of that. Yeah. And then he ended up getting another job. Ultra, let me ask you a question. Yes, sir.

Can you get butter from a duck? No, I don't think so. You can't get no butter from no duck, man. Can you get bacon from a chicken? So, in other words, you're asking Jimmy G to give you something that he can't. Why can't you understand that? Damn what he is.

It's the NFL. Jimmy G's job is to throw the ball. Jimmy G's job is to throw the ball. There are people in the game called the NFL. You have quarterbacks, you have receivers. You have that can make a good quarterback look brilliant. Yes. Amazing. It's not hard. It's not complicated. It's really simple. If Jimmy G is one that you think you feel you can't win with or you can't he can't really get the job done. He doesn't need to be in a Kyle Shanahan's offense. You know why? Because you have someone like the likes of Devontae Adams that makes the job fucking easy. It makes the job easy.

But what Kyle did is that he masked. Kyle was makeup. He didn't let you see those imperfections that Jimmy G had. You see, you've been in a situation. You see the nice lady at the club. And there's something about them lights at the club. I don't know what the hell they do. I need to get some of them in my house

but they make everything look good and then all of a sudden she get home and she ain't under those lights and she start taking off her makeup yeah, you know what I'm talking about and she come up out them skims or them skims or whatever they call them and everything hit the floor

and everything drop like a black what the hell, drop marbles out of their pocket and everything rolling around and. And everything dropped like a... What the hell? Who dropped marbles out of their pocket? And everything rolling around. And then all of a sudden, she took off lashes. She wrapped her head up in a bonnet. Right, right, right, right, right. You see what Kyle Shanahan did?

He didn't let you see those imperfections. Now you got him in a different light and you see him for what he actually is. This is a funny thing. I'm glad you said that. So in the NFL, you have players that get coaches fired. And you have players that can prolong a coach's career. Absolutely.

You have Jimmy G, right? And those imperfections that you speak of, there's an individual that can mask those. And he wears number 17. He can mask all those imperfections by moving around and put him in situations to either get the ball out of Jimmy's hands fast, or if you want to do play action,

if you want to use Josh Jacob, establish the run, but you have someone that can wheel you down the field at will at any given moment, and you're not using it. So you're complicating it. At this point,

I think they're doing it on purpose. At this point, I think they're doing it on purpose. At this point, I think they're doing it on purpose. Honestly. I think they're sabotaging it on purpose. I don't know. Because they have a different mindset. They're thinking differently upstairs. We don't know what they're thinking. But when you understand what they have in that building, when you understand what they have in that room,

when you understand the resume and the DNA and who Devontae Adams is and what he can do on the field, regards to who's in front of him, against any coverage, two catches is fucking nonsense. That's nonsense. And I mean that with all due respect to all parties involved. You said you wanted to see Chad. You wanted to see Devontae in Dallas.

Oh, yeah. Talk to me, Nat. Yeah. So is CD going to give up that 88? see Devontae in Dallas. Oh, yeah. Talk to me, man. Yeah. Hold on. Is CD going to give up that 88? Because the 88 is supposed to be special. Devontae Allen walks in the door. So if he walks in the door, who's number one?

Now, you do remember this, Ocho. They got rid of Amari Cooper so CD could be number one without anybody challenging him. Nope. don't do that. Don't do that. That's not why. That's not why.

That was a business decision because Jerry Jones didn't want to pay that $20 million. That's where it came from. He already paid it. Look at Gallup. So now everybody's saying they need a number two receiver. Now you see Amari Cooper balling. Yeah. It was nothing wrong with him in the first place. There was no need

to get rid of him. You got rid of him because you didn't want to pay the money. You didn't want to pay the money and you feel you're going to get the production from elsewhere or something close to it. That's not the case for someone that good. That's not the case. Sometimes sometimes sometimes you have to

remove because in my estimation because he's so technically and fundamentally sound Amari's not going to concede he's not going to say oh okay it's kind of like with Jerry and T.O. Jerry wasn't going to concede that number one spot to T.O. They had to get Jerry out of there. They had to. They had to get T. out of there. Okay. I see what you mean. No. Remember, on Jerry Rice Day, T.O. called 20 passes. On Jerry Rice Day.

They had to move on from Jerry because in Jerry's mind, Jerry wasn't going to concede. He's not the number one receiver. Amari Cooper, you know how number one, you're number one. You ain't conceding-ish. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I did, though.

I did. Why did I do it? Yeah, because T.O. was better than you, though. No, T.O. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm the better receiver. Sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story. Anyway, that's my dog.

We'll get on that later. That's the story. If I dial that number, if I dial your number that's in my phone, will you pick up? Okay, them numbers tell the story then. Yeah, I know they do. That's the story I was talking about. And I was happy.

I stood on the table. I think it was before Buffalo. I think that's why. I went up to Mr. Brown. I went to Marvin Lewis. I say, man, listen, man, we got to get a T in here. You know, me and T, we 20 years strong in the game. Friends outside of the game,

on the field. I was happy and had no problem taking a backseat to one of the greatest to ever play the game. I was happy. So listen. That's your friend.

Yeah. But we talk about winning. I was looking at the bigger picture. Now, it didn't work out the way I thought it would, but I think, why can't CDC the same thing? Why can't they see the vision?

Jerry Jones, Jerry, wait, Jerry Jones always wanted to be front center. He want to be the GM. He want to be the president. He want to be the custodian. He want to be the janitor. He want to run the show and the brand, the Cowboys.

You haven't won a Super Bowl in how long? So why not make a splash? And why not bring in that splash and having Devonta Adams and improving your offense drastically just like that and becoming a goddamn Super Bowl favorite. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Why not? Okay, at what year were you in your career when that happened? You do realize you had already gone to six Pro Bowls.

You had already been – you had already led the league in receiving. You had already been an All-Pro. C.D. Lamb hasn't been to as many Pro Bowls. He hadn't accomplished the things So he's not going to be as willing A participant as you To concede Whoa, whoa, whoa

I thought the common goal Was to get the Lombardi Trophy Listen to me Is that not what we preach about all the time? There is one team Listen to me now There is one team that moves the needle now there's one team that moves the needle in all media one team that moves the needle and every year is the same it's the same

conversation we have the talent we have the players we have the personnel to go to the Super Bowl and they continue to fall short every year why not add that one special dynamic that can put you over the hump offensively? Why not? Ocho. I'm just saying. I'm speaking hypothetically. Okay, Ocho. I'm not disagreeing with you, but you know people say I want to win, but 95% of people want to win, but they want to win their way.

You know that. Wait, so are you talking about Jerry Jones? Is that his way? Or are you talking about from CD's standpoint? I'm saying people. Coach Belichick would rather lose his way than win

somebody else's way. See, and you know what? That's the problem. That's another problem. That's probably what's going on over in goddamn Vegas. Get the man the goddamn ball because what's going to happen is you're going to end up getting fired and you're going to be at home wondering why you got fired because you're not using the players you have to the best of their ability. It makes no sense.

Because of ego. Because I'm going to try to win my way. Just what you just said. I'm going to win my way. Just what you just said. I'm going to win my way, and if my way involves not getting Devontae Adams the goddamn ball, so be it. Not look at you. Okay, how about this? Speaking of the Cowboys, Michael Parsons wants the same energy for the Eagles.

Michael on his podcast said, I see my quarterback maybe not have the red zone success but move the ball way better than the Eagles did on Sunday. He wants the same energy for everybody because there's a bunch of bashing when it's Dak, but not the same when it's the Eagles. What's your take on that? Micah. Micah has to understand who he plays for. He played for that star on that helmet, boy.

It comes with the territory. It comes with the territory. America's team, that's what you own. That's the nature of the business, and that's the way it will always be. Your team moves the needle. Win, loss, draw, bye week, it don't even matter. It's going to always be like that. Respectfully, you got to take it.

You got to take it for what it is. There are certain sports. The Yankees in baseball. The L to take it for what it is. There are certain, there are certain, in certain sports, the Yankees in baseball. Yeah. The Lakers in basketball. Yeah. The Cowboys.

Does he understand that Jerry Jones was not a billionaire when he purchased the Cowboys? Mm-hmm. Now he's 10, 15, 18, maybe even 20 billion. Mm-hmm. Why? That comes, Michael, that comes along with it. There's a lot of guys. I know guys that played on

bad team that were getting 17, 18 sacks that didn't even really get mentioned. And there are guys that getting 8, 9, 10 sacks because they played on a more prominent team. They get all the love. That's how it works, Michael. Michael, I never heard Micah say one thing

when a lot of those same media said the Dallas Cowboys and Micah Parsons have a historic defense. Not one time do you say, why don't y'all give that energy to the Eagles? The Eagles led the league, tied the NFL record with 72 sacks last season. Micah Parsons not one time said they should give the Eagles love for that historic defense that they got.

Not one time did I hear him say that. I mean, it happens. I think you have a better understanding of it now after hearing everyone talk about it and having a better understanding on who you play for. Understand where you are.

America's team. It comes with the nature of the business. I think he gets it. I think he gets it. But the media will never ever bow down to the players based on what they have to say because they understand what and who moves the needle.

What and who moves it. And that's just what it comes down to. It ain't like when it comes to basketball, it's the Lakers. When it comes to baseball, it's the goddamn Yankees. And it's been like that for years. It's going to be like that. Because I think the thing is that the expectations that

comes along with the Cowboys, and the expectations that their owner and the son, Stephen, co-owner, says that this team or this roster reminds me of the 90s Cowboys. Everybody knows what the 90s Cowboys did. So when you keep saying that, you raise the level of expectations. And when you don't meet that level of expectations,

but I tell you another thing that will get people off you, when you're on national or you're on primetime television, don't get beat by 32. Don't get the brakes beat off you. If you don't get the doors blow off you right if you don't get the doors blowed up let's just say for the sake of argument Ocho you used to like to do hypothetical let's just say that game was a 28-27 ball game right nobody when you get beat 42-10 and they call the dogs off right

yeah you're right you're right but see me I get it i get it every you know if i criticize if i don't if i criticize the blacks i'm bringing a black guy down if i criticize the white guy i'm criticizing them because they're not black so i just decided i will call it like i see it and damn what you say whether they black damn what you say whether they white i'm just gonna call it like i see it play better it is It is what it is. If you play better, play better. You know, for him individually, he's playing well, which is why he can come out and say some of the things he's saying, but that he needs to have a better understanding and, and understanding the history that comes with the team that he is playing for. And then you'll get it. Then you'll

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The male frog said, I don't do that necrophilia. I ain't buying it. And they say, as soon as the male frog get up, they get up and like, okay, and hop on the way. Well, that goes on in today's era, too. And I get it.

Pretending like they sleep. You know how they pretend like they sleep? Not only do they pretend like they sleep. I think, girl, come on. You took Red to Deep two minutes ago. Right? What about the frogs play like they did, right?

How about women that give you their number i'm speaking hypothetically because it doesn't happen to me but i'm just saying as far as i heard somebody's sending you a dm and you know you saw it and you don't read it somebody's sending you a text and she knows she saw it and she don't read it. And she continuously, continuously sees those messages from whoever it is, knowing you have no intent on dealing with that individual, but is continuing to stare at it. And I say they do it for egotistical reasons. Okay, that could be possible. Egotistical reasons, you know. Hey, it's the same concept. Same concept. Listen, frogs, I'm not going to compare them to our female species, but I'm just saying it's the same thing.

But it just goes to show you even something that's not as highly developed intellectually or have the brain capacity as a human. Like, they know what they want and what they don't. Oh, yeah. Because for the most part, animals in the wild, what do the males do? They fight because the biggest, baddest, the females want to make to the biggest and baddest because they want that protection. Humans are probably the only species of mammals that don't worry about size. No. Because they're not worried about the level of protection.

Now, some women say, okay, I want a man to feel secure. I want to feel comfortable. They're worried about zeros level of protection. Now, some women say, okay, I want a man to feel secure. I want to feel comfortable. They're worried about zeros. Yeah. That's the protection they want. Stay with me now. Let's stay with me. But you look at all the other men. You look at elephants and lions. They're like, no, no, no, no.

I want the big one. I want the big one. The dark man. That's about two years old. I want him. That got a 500-mile territory. Those are the brothers that need to come up in here. Yeah, but I couldn't believe the frogs did that. And that got me to think. I said, you know what? Women be doing that, too. Pretend like they sleep.

Fake it and keep it. Keep it doing. Oh, true story. I broke up with my girlfriend, and my sister told me. Wait, wait, wait. You broke up with her, or she broke up with you? I broke up with my girlfriend and my sister told me. Wait, wait, wait. You broke up with her or she broke up with you? I broke up with my girlfriend. This was years ago. This was probably about 25 years ago. Every time you tell

a story, it's years ago. I'm thinking this might be recent. This is recent. No, this ain't recent. And my sister, my sister told my grandma, said, Granny, you know, such and such not going together. They're not together no more. Wait,

what's her name? I ain't tell you her name, but you know what my grandma said? What'd she say? She wasn't doing her nightly duties. Ooh, wait a minute. That's what my granny said.

That's what my granny said. Wait, let me sit up because I want, wait, let me get my notepad out. What a nightly duty so I can make sure those dudes

have been done over there? You know what nightly duties are. Everybody that's watching this know what nightly duties are. I need you... Listen, I'm trying to get where you are. You have a little bit more life experience than me, so give me... Let me jot down some nightly duties so I can check them. She would do it like the female European common frog. She would

fake it. Oh. Oh. She would be the tired potato like she was sleep oh wait y'all live together wait wait a minute let's dive a little deeper this is a lot to unpack now y'all live together and she wasn't doing her night i got a roll i pack light i don't never check no luggage so i don't know what you want to impact. It ain't too deep. The last time I checked, I saw it on Murder, She Wrote. A woman that was playing sleep every time he came

home and just to come to find out toward the end of the story, there happened to be another man. Yeah. And that happens a lot in life in general. The person you with start acting funny And when you dive a little bit deeper

You always tend to find out The routine changes from who they used to be When you first met Listen, that Because it happened to me That's how I know it It happened to me And you started acting funny

And what did I do? I put on my black dickies I put on my black skull cap Oh, you sleep So what I did I do? I put on my black dickies. I put on my black skull cap. Oh, you sleep. So what I did, I jumped in the car. Oh, you sleep? Okay, bet.

Wait a minute. How you sleep is 830. Okay, bet. Well, you go ahead and get you a nice license. So I get in the car. You know, I got a little... You a PI now?

Yeah, I had to be because now you... Now listen. Now you're a... I could be honest with you because we family. I could be honest with you. Listen, I get in the car. I go to the house. She's staying over there at the time.

She in Carroll City. That wasn't about a 30-minute drive. Real quick, I jumped on the highway. I jumped on 95. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I pull up to the house. The car ain't in the highway. I jumped on 95. You long, huh? 30 minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I pull up to the house. The car ain't in the driveway. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

Had a car ain't in the driveway, but you just told me you sleep. That's what I'm saying to my head. I'm saying, oh, nah. Oh, she want to play. Bet. I waited. I waited about five minutes. I called the phone back. Oh, stop. The phone didn't ring.

I kept calling over and over. Mind you, it ain't been number 30 minutes, so how you sleep already? I ain't chilling, so I sat on the front porch. I took a picture, right? I took a picture at the front door like this. Oh, snap. Come on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hey, I took a picture at the front door, right? Did you? Did you? Did what you live, right? I sent it to her. Oh, but you sleep, huh? Okay, yeah. Hey, I took a picture at the front door, right? Did you? Did you? I sent it to her. Oh, but you sleep, huh? Okay, bet. Hey, listen, and blocked the number and went on about my business and my life.

Now, guess who was trying to spin the block? You know, she started seeing, you know, I thought I had a little motion. My little motion was back in effect. You know, my visibility started being back popping. It was too late then because Railhead done came and snatched me up real quick. Oh, man. Came and snatched me up. I'm good.

I'm good. I mean, sometimes. It happens. Listen, sometimes in a relationship. Yes, sir. One party wants to move on, but they don't know how to tell the other party they want to move on. That's a good one. That's because a lot of people watching right now, a lot of people watching right now, I'm going to tell you no lie,

because a lot of people watching right now with someone, they don't know how to break it off. Not only do they not want to break it off. In this economy, you have someone that's helping you and taking care of you. You really don't want to lose that sense of security and help. Some men as well. They with women, they got to stay

with the women because you need a roof over your head. But I ain't wired like that. I could never let a woman take care of me. I could never let a woman take anything from me. I'm not saying take care of them. Some men aren't fortunate and they're in situations where they need that roof over their head and they're dealing with

someone that's able to provide that yeah and that that's that's tough that's tough when you're somewhere you don't want to be i think because i told you the lonely my granddad used to say boy the loneliest place in the world is to be somewhere you're not wanting right right right and and and if you don't know you're not wanting it's another thing to know you're not wanting right in college i remember in college i broke up with my girlfriend i was moping i used to work we used to have work study and i worked for coach davis rest his soul coach david and i used to go to his office every day and when i wasn't in class i would do my homework uh if we didn't the professor would cancel class or something happened i would go to coach Davis office, get my hours in,

but I would do my homework. Right. A couple of days go by. He see me both when he's like, so he's like, uh, so what's going on? Right. Right. Coach. I, I, I broke up with my girlfriend. I said, I said my girlfriend and I broke up. He said, well, damn son. He says everything. Okay. I said, coach, we were both sick and he looked at me. He said, y'all were both sick. I said, yeah, coach. I was sick of her looked at me he said y'all were both sick i said yeah coach i was sick of her and she was sick of me hey that's a good one let me let me let me tell you something

let me let me tell you something i always think about um obviously it's okay to hurt it's okay to mourn it's good it's okay it's okay to be sad when when things don't work out but i tell men this all the time when when you're moping and you're chasing, you're fighting back to get a woman back that you might have been with for a long time. The last time, think about this. When someone leaves you, a woman doesn't want to be with you anymore. I always see it as one less expense. And I mean that in the most respectful way possible. I just see it as one less expense that I have to worry about that becomes someone else's responsibility. So I've never seen who want to chase an added or extra bill. Why do you want to do that? I see it dude right if you have a hundred dollars at a dude and you lose that hundred dollars trying to chase someone because you have to pay when which i call

a transaction transaction transactional transactional yeah it doesn't it doesn't bring any value to you because it's taking what you have bringing adding nothing to it so why did that you why are you hurting why are you sad and that's just a small analogy and i mean that in the most respectful way possible and it happens on a small scale and it happens on the grander scale depends on how you look at it but you know what ocho what it is it's kind of like for me and i don't want and i don't want people to take this the wrong way since i'm trying to compare a woman to sport but i'm so what i'm saying is that when you invest something,

when you invest for damn, when I invest my time, my energy, my heart and soul, like I did the sport, it hurt when you lose. So I'm looking at it. When I lose her,

I'm hurt. You damn right. I'm hurt. Yes. I cry. And even though I might not short, outwardly, internally, I'm in a knot. I had a young lady tell me one time

she's like, you're not hurting. I said, what do you mean I'm not hurting? She said, because when I see you, you're not in a ball. I said, is that what you want? Right. I said, you want me to hurt that bad? Right. I said, you want me to hurt that bad? Right.

I say, you want me to not be able to function? You don't want me to be able to go to work? Right. I was like, I get it. I get it. Yes, I'm sure I've hurt you. But just because I'm not curled up in a ball, because I'm not in a psych ward,

trust me when I say this, and I say this in all sincerity, I'm hurting. Yeah. But I say this, and I say this in all sincerity, I'm hurting. But I've been able to compartmentalize because when you become a professional athlete, the one thing you must be able to do above all,

because you don't make it to the level that you make it as a professional athlete if you can't play. You've got to be able to compartmentalize. If you cannot compartmentalize, you can't play at any level in a professional sport. You've got to be able to compartmentalize if you cannot compartmentalize you can't play at any level in a professional sport right you've got to be able to say okay i've got this going on be it at home my wife is getting on my nerves or my girlfriend my kids are sick my mom is not my mom or my dad there's something going on i've got to be able to say that aside for them two and a

half hours and be able to get done what i need to get done. Because you know what? Them 85,000 fans and my 45 teammates, hey, they depending on me. They don't want to hear nothing. All they see is 84 on the front and Sharp on the back. And I need to get it done. And so that's...

Go ahead, my bad, my bad. No, no, I'm just saying. So that's where I'm at. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. I really, really appreciate that, Uncle Nocho. We appreciate that so much. Please tell all your friends that subscribe button. We really appreciate that, Uncle Nocho. We appreciate that so much.

Please tell all your friends. Go ahead. Before we get off that topic, I think one of the small issues that we have in today's society, in today's world in general, is our sole focus is on finding a partner. And the fact that we have nothing else

going on outside of that partner, I think that's why we hurt so goddamn much. Because you got nothing else going on in life. Everything is about my man, my man, my man, or this dude, this dude, this dude, or what he can do for me and what she can do. Like, if you have something else going on in life and whatever's supposed to happen, it's going to happen, it's going to find you. Allow it to happen organically. Allow it to happen naturally. And it took me forever to get to that to happen naturally. It took me forever to get

to that motherfucking point. It took me forever. I'm just saying. It took me... We could be here for hours talking about that. The ups and the downs when it comes to that. Yeah, for sure. Because now, as a business owner

myself, and trying to grow, and what it takes, and the amount of time that I trying to grow and what it takes in the amount of time that I got to spend with my team and the amount of time that I got to spend with, with sponsors and advertisers and try to make sure this thing is right. It's hard because I can't serve two masters because she's like, well, help me. What? Because you said, well, let's go this. No, I got to watch the games. Right, right.

You do realize that the reason what I'm able to talk about and to say what I say is because I watch the games. Right. I don't do the clips. I don't do, okay, watch the game for me, Ash, or watch the game for me. No, that's not how I function. I've got to see it. And then I can talk about it with the passion in which I get up there and talk about it. I say, you don't understand. This is not about, sure, you have to understand what comes along when you're with me.

And there's a lot of sacrifices. Not only do I make, but in order for my partner, they're going to have to make those sacrifices also. So there's a lot of times that when your girl's going into Jamaica, okay, if that's what you want to do, go. But I'm not going to be able to go. They, their guys might be able to go with them, but their guys don't have the responsibility. And it's one thing. It's one thing when I'm only responsible for me and you, but I got Ash, I got Jordan, I got CJ, I got a Shelly. I got other people that are counting on me. So this gotta be a success because I've got other people that are counting on me. So this gotta be a success because I've got

other people that invested in me. Ash left a great job at Fox. She said, I believe in you, Shannon. Jordan moved from Cincinnati. Said, I believe in you. CJ left. Said, hey, I want to rock with you.

So now I'm full speed ahead. If some things ain't right, this ain't right, fix it. Yeah, I like it. Because me, I'm good. Yeah. I can go right back to Atlanta, kick my heels up, and live and be straight. Right. But that's not them.

My job is to get them. When it's all said and done, when I say, you know what, guys? I'm stepping away. I want each one of the people that work for me to say, you know what? Hey, you gone? We gone too. We good. Right.

We good. I like that. I like that. That's what I work for. That's what I look. When Ash or Jordan or CJ, when I see how excited they are to come to work, I said, okay, yeah, I'm good. I'm good. So that's, that's how, that's, that's how I am.

So again, please make sure you hit the subscribe button guys. We really, really appreciate that guys. Y'all, y'all have done Uncle Ocho. We've grown exponentially. I don't have done Unc and Ocho. We've grown exponentially. I don't know if you noticed this, Ocho, but we're the ninth Apple sports podcast. We're number nine. What? We're number nine. We're number nine.

Wait. We're number nine. Number nine? Top ten. Number nine. Y'all made it possible. Y'all made it possible. I appreciate y'all.

I appreciate y'all. If you're watching, you know how I. I appreciate y'all. I appreciate y'all. If you're watching, you know how I feel about you because I tell you I love you every day. Thank you. Thank you on behalf of myself and all 85 of my kids because if it wasn't for you, they wouldn't be able to eat. If it wasn't for you, they wouldn't be able to eat. God damn.

We going to Chris Ruth now. I'm taking the kids to Chris Ruth. You mean Ruth Chris, huh? Who Chris Ruth now. I'm taking the kids to Chris Ruth. You mean Ruth Chris, huh? Who? Ruth Chris. Nah, Chris. Baby, what's the name of the restaurant? Chris Ruth, right?

Ruth Chris. Oh, shit. I said it wrong. My bad. My bad. Yeah. My bad. Yeah.

That might be Ruth's brother. He ain't opened his store yet, though. And you know, I don't be knowing about that little fancy stuff everybody like to go to, but I'm going to take the kids out. I appreciate y'all, man. I love you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Man, how many subscribers we at? We at, uh,

I don't know what, you know, 126. So we got 1,000 since we just been on the air. Ocho, here's the story. Idina Manziel, responsible for her interracial aspect, she was married to Taye Diggs. we just been on the air. Ocho, here's the story. Idina Manziel responds over an interracial aspect. She was married to Taye Diggs. Yeah. And she said the relationship

impact, she said, yeah. Good actor. It seemed like there was disappointment in the community with him that Taye Diggs, a black man, was married to a I think she used the word, a white Jewish woman. That's what he said. He said on the Van Latham, a van by God, see him working out all the time.

He said the backlash he received from marrying a white woman and the resentment later built up inside. We left the other part out. But she was she's Jewish. And so for me, what is your takeaway? I'm going to get in the mind. What is your takeaway? She said he was on the cover of Essence, Ebony, being interviewed by all these black journalists. And he had his own stuff to deal with that.

It was less about being successful and more about that kind of stuff. So what's your takeaway on that? I say, listen, my takeaway, love is love. Love is love. I'm going to start there. Love is love. It's about finding someone that makes you happy. Now, if you are stuck on race and focus on finding someone of your ethnicity that makes you happy, then so be it.

If you are maybe one that wants to venture out and enjoy other ethnicities and other races and trying to submerge yourself in their culture and understanding their culture and finding love in that way, so be it. When I buy a bag of Skittles, I'm speaking for me personally, when I buy a bag of Skittles, I don't pick and choose which ones I want to eat because I enjoy them all. I enjoy all of them. I enjoy them all. Everyone has a preference. Everyone should be allowed to have a preference on who they date and who makes them happy. I think limiting ourselves to stay within a race is it's a little tough and it's a tricky combo. It depends on the person. It depends on who you are. It depends on your background. And, you know, somebody, some people, some people have parents. You can't, you can't, you can't bring someone of the opposite race in your home. It's just at this point where we are at this juncture in life in 2023, the fact that we are still stuck on this is beyond me.

Let me ask you a question, Ocho. They were married for 11 years. So if they married for 11 years, they probably dated for at least two years. So at what point in time in that 13-year relationship did he realize that she was white? Did he wake up one morning like, God, how could I not think of a woman? Do you think the pressure and the backlash because he was

in an interracial marriage, do you think it affected him? Do you think it got to him? Did it affect his job where he wasn't able to do like something you said, being able to compartmentalize? You think he wasn't able to separate the two? I think he allowed the community to make decisions for him. He listened to the community and said,

you this prominent guy, because what they do is says, that white person, that lady wouldn't talk to you if you weren't who you were. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Did you hear what you just said? Yes. I'm saying the community would say

that white woman wouldn't talk to you if you weren't who you were. That's how they look at it. Neither would the women in the community. I get that. Okay. Thank you. But my thing is, Ocho, why do I have to live my life? You do realize that when Dr. King and Rosa Parks, they were fighting for more than your voting rights, more than your fair housing, more than your unemployment rights.

It was the right to be able to choose a choice. Just like abortion. That should be between the woman and her doctor. Okay, fine. That's a woman. Okay, shouldn't who I date, who I marry, shouldn't that be between me and my spouse?

Without outside external forces from either community, y'all don't have to live with them. Y'all don't have to feed us. Y'all don't have to take care of anything. That's what I don't understand. When I saw the criticism that Bronnie was getting for taking a white young lady to the prom

and I see some of these other guys, why does it upset you so much? If it doesn't cost you anything, if it doesn't take any money out of your pocket, if it doesn't put any money on your table, why are you upset with somebody? Because even though he's dating somebody

outside the community, what makes you think if he was dating somebody in the community, it would be you? I don't know. It's a tough topic. It's very very, it can go one of two ways. It can go south

or it can go north. There's no in between. Listen, I'm not Dr. Umar, you know, so it's hard for me to really, to dissect and get and dive deep into the topic. But all I can see is and say is, based on me and preference is, I love everybody. I love all walks of life,

regardless of where you come from, regardless of your ethnicity, regardless of your background. You know, I'm able to to enjoy all circles. I can put myself in any environment and adapt to it. And for that, I think, you know, but it's but it's but it's committing yourself. Oh, Joe, come on. I know. I know. But just having to say, you know what? Stick to this and just block off everything else in life. I just I don't know why they do it. You know, they're happy with athletes, with athletes.

When it basically when it comes to athletes, they say, well, once you get money, we always venture off and go date. Elsewhere, outside of our race, outside of our race, you know, once you get a little money, you start dating women that you actually wouldn't have access to and access to get. Well, that's in general in life and anything that you do, you never want to stay the same. I mean, you go for what you like and that's just the nature of the beast, the way it's always been. But listen, it's all about preference. What makes you happy? What makes you happy?

I'm all about that. You can't live for nobody else. You just can't. I know the cover of the famous case was Loving vs. Virginia about a black interracial couple that was married. And, you know, before it was against the law to cohabitate. A black and a white couldn't cohabitate together. They threw your ass in jail. Well, what year was this? Yes. this was they they got married in 58 they was arrested okay got put in jail but but before it was illegal

damn black and a white couldn't cohabitate in that capacity right it was illegal they won the case in 1967 it was a it It was a movie made about it. Mildred and Richard Loving. But I just don't get that. I mean, because I've had people on both sides of the aisle treat me good. I mean, for the most part, I look at the internet with people talking crazy. It ain't

the opposite race talking crazy to me. It's my race. It's my community. It's my community. So I'm so it's my community. Yeah. Right. So I, I'm glad, I'm so glad we on this topic. So now that we, now that we own this topic, you have no problem with dating outside of your race, right? Still. I'm just asking. I've dated, I've dated outside of my race. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Not, I mean, not a whole, it's not, I haven't dated a rainbow. It's not like I'm Asian or Hispanic,

things like that, but it's normally, you know, of the rainbow. It's not like I'm Asian or Hispanic, things like that. But it's normally, you know, white and black. Right. I don't have a problem. I don't have a problem with it. OK. OK. The outside noise, the outside noise bother you. Does that deter you from dealing with them? No, you don't pay no bills. Ain't nobody. The only it doesn't really matter. My grandmother never had a problem with it. When I dated my my grandmother's like like, she would, they would, she would actually talk to them on the phone. If my grandmother didn't have a problem.

Now, if it probably would have been an issue, if my grandmother would have felt some type of way. Right. I probably, I don't, I don't think I could have gone. I don't think I could have gone against her wishes because that's how much influence that she had on me. Right. But because she embraced it.

And I mean, when I was growing up working on a farm and when we needed money, my grandmother would go to Joe Tatum, the guy that we worked for, and says, Joe, can I borrow $30? These boys need to go there. So these boys need to get that. They'll pay it back

when they start working for you in the summer. He could have said no. So when I look at it when i and uh miss keels man miss keels treated me like she was my remedial she was my remedial reading teacher right in high school and my spanish teacher and she talked she i mean man and that woman the way she like i was her own child right she had no effing idea I was going to grow up to be what I became. But it didn't matter to her. She saw somebody, she saw

a young black kid that was struggling because he was bulljabbing around and she pulled me to the side. And you know what she told me, Ocho? She said, Janet, your brother is sterling. That's not you.

Don't you want your own? Right. I taught him. He was great in school. Yes, he was great on the football field. And you're great on the football field. You're great in basketball. You're great in track.

But you effing around in here. So when I was Spanish class, where everybody else could call their classmates and talk I had to call her and talk Spanish I could teach you you know how good is your Spanish now? It ain't good bro that was in 1987

so how long ago that's been? that's a little minute I did I did just enough because you know back then you had to have the classes that way to go towards graduation. You had to have those. So I just took that to get that to get that up out there. I said, Miss Kills, I got to get up out of here. I got to I got to be. But I got out of there. So for me, Ocho, I don't I don't have no problem when I see when I see someone from Hollywood that's dating outside of their race.

I'm like, oh, you get to Hollywood to get you somebody like that. That man wouldn't even look at you if you were. I don't do that. If I see somebody walking down the street, hey, that's you couple. Oh, man, they look so happy. That's how I look at it because it doesn't rob me of anything. It doesn't rob me of energy. It doesn't rob me of money. It doesn't rob me of energy. It doesn't rob me of money.

It doesn't rob me of time. It takes nothing from me. So I don't get why so many people get so upset. If it doesn't take anything from you. Yeah. It's been that way for a very long time. And something like that will never change. It will never change.

And just, I mean, I always say the same thing, man. Date who makes you happy. And again, like me, I love everybody. It's always been a moniker of mine. It's something that I've always tweeted and always preached for the longest. And it's the fact that we're still on that, especially at this day and age. It is what it is. I think just our people, our race really wants us with us. And maybe there may be other races feel the same way, but they're not as... Don't you want us happy? Yeah.

Don't you want us happy? Yeah. Don't you want to be happy? And I'm not saying you can't be happy with your own race. Right. But if I'm happy, if I find somebody and I'm happy with them, don't you want me to be at the end of the day? Yeah.

If that person isn't mistreating me, if that person isn't harming me, don't you want my happiness above all else? Right. I want people to be happy. Right. Above all else, Ocho, forget all of that. I want you to be happy. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel

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What you want me to do? You know what the whole thing is? No, Rel, Rel. Hey, Rel, you making good money over here, Rel? Hey, you making good money? I know he ain't told you. Listen, sir, she making 10 times what I'm making. I'm not, man, fuck all that. That's just temporarily.

That's just temporarily. That's just temporarily. You got me? You got me? You got me? Yeah. We just... Hey, hey. Hey.

Go ahead. Let me know, because I can't even talk back right now. Let me know when the money start rolling in, because I can't even talk back right now. Get out! Get out! You know,

whoever controls the money controls a lot. Yeah, hey, listen, you ain't got to tell me. I'll be walking on eggshells sometime, but you ain't got to tell me. Help me out now. I remember my grandfather used to tell my aunts, he would be like, okay, be back in the house at this time. And you know, they grumbled. My grandfather would say, don't grumble and stay.

Grumble and leave. He'd say, don't tell me what I saw. You know what I am. Stay under my roof. Get your own place and tell me what I'm going for. I like that. Eventually they did.

For sure. My grandfather would play with an iron fist. And eventually they did. Yeah. They got down to be it. Oh, yeah, for sure. My grandfather ruled things with an iron fist. He didn't play. I mean, yeah. So it was the best. Right. Hey, shout out to Puff who just donated $50. Puff, we appreciate that.

Not P. Diddy. Puff. Puff. You sure? Good looking at that. That might have been Diddy. Hey, Puff, I appreciate that, baby. Puff, appreciate it. No, no, no, Puff. You can't get no credit for this with this P. Hey, Puff, I appreciate that, baby. Puff, appreciate it.

You can't get no credit for this with this Puff. This Puff. He gave a whole 50 dollars. He gave a whole 50 piece. Woo! It's only a matter of time. The NFL is not only allowing, but they're encouraging

active players to participate in flag football in the 2028 Olympics in LA. Everybody keeps saying the USA going to run away with this. Who's your quarterback? Okay, 2028. Who's your quarterback?

2028 quarterback? Let's go Pat. Okay, you go to the home. Who are your receivers? Give me Tyreek, Justin Jefferson, and Jamar Chase. Now,

you do realize that these guys are going to be having to go both ways. So you just can't just load and say, okay, who are you going to be your DBs? Because you probably need a small... This is flag football now. Right, right, right. You're going to need a guy that's agile.

So not only can they catch the ball, they're going to be able to pull flags too, Ocho. Hold on, hold on. Okay, okay, I got you. All right, you know what? Asante Samuel Jr. Asante Samuel Jr. Give me – I'm trying to think of DBs that are really twitchy. Give me Marshawn Lattimore and AJ Terrell.

AJ Terrell. No, Denzel Ward. I'm trying to think of people that are really twitchy, like twitchy twitchy. Okay. Denzel Ward, Marshawn Lattimore, and Asante Samuel Jr. Okay. Okay. Because, you know, Jamaicans got some speed too now.

But the only thing about them, they don't know how to control that speed because they ain't a whole lot of Jamaicans. They don't play a whole lot of football over there. They running straight. If it ain't soccer, they ain't ready. We would run away with that now.

You think so? Man, Olympics? Yeah. But you do realize that they got like You think so? Man, Olympics? Yeah. Ocho. But you do realize that they got like the other countries, they've already started flag leagues. So we got flag leagues also. Yeah, we have very good flag leagues.

Yes. So you said forgo those and let the NFL players come in. Yeah, that wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. I'm just saying, honestly, listen, and no disrespect to the game of football today, but they damn near playing flag football now with pads on. Yeah, for sure.

And I mean that with all due respect. Right. It's a different ball game. We understand why with the head trauma, with CTE, with some of our most prominent players leaving early.

And so we do understand, but it is a different game. It's a, it's a, the game is a lot more speed. It's a lot more technical now than just so, so much than less physicality. Right. So you had to have skill obviously, but you had to have, well, you had to have a big one of these. Right. So you had to have skill, obviously, but you had to have, well, you had to have a big one of these. Yeah.

You had to have a, you got to have a big one of these. Because the guys were looking to change. Okay. Are we going to get out here on this one? Jared, Judy says stats doesn't tell the story. You can be open,

but the old lad don't do their thing. The quarterback didn't do his job. The OZ didn't put you in. A lot of stuff got to go through as a receiver for you to be successful. And guess what? The O-line can block. The quarterback can throw you the ball. The coordinator can call a great play, and you ain't get

open. Now, who fought as that? Jerry Judy's in a tough situation. That's my dude. That's home team. I love him to death. But all I need him is to put his head down and keep on chopping wood. Keep on chopping wood because you're in a situation that you can't win. It's an untenable situation.

Unwinnable. I know you finna see this. You ain't going to win this one. Put your head down. Put the dreads back in the ponytail and then go to work. You know what you can do. I know what you can do. I done stood on ten toes about you

for the longest. Don't even give no bullet to boy material. Don't give nothing else to talk about. You're in a situation, make the most of it. And if the situation gonna change, how about you? I need you, my dog. I need you to be the reason the situation changes.

Be the go-to. Be the solution, not the problem. Right. Well, that's the situation changes be the go-to be the solution not the problem right well that's that's in a situation where i wish you could have talked to him and says i'm gonna put that on me right i need to do a better job of getting open i knew i need to do a better job of winning my one-on-one i need to be i need to step up and have the coordinator have more confidence in me because i'm doing my job. And when they watch the film, they don't have a choice but to give me the ball.

So that's how it was. I got to practice. They had to play me sooner or later. If I was cooking the guys that they were sending out there to play on Sunday, that was starting. They had to put me in the game sooner or later. They had no choice. And guess what? And at first they put me in. game sooner or later they had no choice right and guess what and at

first they put me in i was just blocking but at some point in time guess what when they go back and watch that film they're like man 81 open yeah because i started i was 81 at first and then i got 84 and they're like hold on man that was that quarterback that quarterback went to the Pro Bowl. Right. He beat him. Yeah. Hey, so now I come in on Wednesday. They got a little package for 84. Huh?

Y'all got stuff for 84? Y'all got a little 84 package? Yeah. Okay. That's how it starts. And guess what? You get that little package? Got a little 84? Yeah.

And it starts flowing from there. And then Jim Fossil, rest his soul, he came in in 93 and said, son, I don't know if anybody's ever done this, but I'm going to build my office around you. I tied in? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man.

So now imagine, Ocho, imagine coordinator comes in, because Wade is my head coach now. He was the defensive coordinator. Wade Phillips. See, Wade was the defensive coordinator when I got to Denver. Okay. Mike Nolan was the linebacker's coach. Right.

Gary Kubiak, I played with Kube. Kube was my backup quarterback. See, Kube the one that, of all the players, Kube helped me the most. Because Kube would tell me what to do. He's like, okay, they're going to put you in. Hey, they used to call me because I was big in country. They used to call me greasy. He said, greasy.

They're going to put you in on this play right here. Right. This is what you got. He said, now, if there's a safety in the middle of the field, you run the corner route. He said, if you see those safeties and they split, you go down the middle. Middle, yeah. Man. So he, hey, such and such. Hey, get open. I'm going to give down the middle. Middle, yeah. Man, so he tell, hey, such and such,

hey, get open, I'm going to give you the ball. So, Coop would come in and feed me. Yeah. Bro, I'm in my second year. Yeah. So, Coop come in, so back then, if a tight end caught like a 10 or 15 yard pass, you got $10. So,

yeah, back then, there wasn't no salary cap, so they could do it. Kool would come in so I was running with the number two Kool would come in and say Greasy let's go get some pizza money so oh man

okay okay we better get that pizza money I come out of practice I done got me $30 cause I done hit him up I done hit him up with oh yeah for sure hold on hold on

oh the pizza money was in practice not the game yeah no in practice we in training camp. Yeah. No, in practice. We in training camp. Oh, y'all were killing it. Y'all bad. Man.

I like that. Kuba's like, hey, Kuba, hey, Greasy. Come on, let's get this. Hey, let's go get some pizza money. So I'm getting in the game. He said, hey, Greasy, I'm coming. Man, please. Man, I'm cooking them backers.

Okay. I like that. And then back then, I was too physical for them. I'm cooking them backers. Okay. And then back then, I was too physical for them. I was too physical. I'm talking about, they come try to press me. Uh-uh. Man, get your ass out of the way.

Nah. Yeah. I mean, they got a card. I got a card with a Henley. The one that got in trouble, he tried to put a hit. He's running. He's doing cocaine.

He tried to put a hit on the judge. He's serving 40 years. He's doing cocaine. He tried to put a hit on the judge. He's serving 40 years. Play for the Rams. He tried to put a hit on the judge. Oh, he tried to put a hit on the judge. Oh, he was in the league and had a whole cartel, had a whole operation. Oh, he wasn't too much TV, man. He did try to put a hit on the judge.

Oh, they gave him fault. Faulted long. Oh, so he out now? No, he ain't out. This was in, uh, this was in 93, 93, 94, 94, 95. He got, so what? So, uh, five, 15, 25, 25. Oh, he gonna pull all that time. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. He gonna pull all that time. Hey, he told the judge, he said, judge, I can't do all this time to The judge said, do what you can. Judge said, do what you can.

You can't do it all. Just do what you can. And whatever you got left over, we'll let that go. But just do what you can. Yeah, yeah, man. But those were Black of the Days. Again, please hit that subscribe button and tell your friends to do the same. And remember, Sunday, we got a very, very special giveaway on Sunday.

So on the episode of on Sunday. So, on the episode of Nightcap. So, please stay tuned. Tune in Sunday. We got a special giveaway. This thing will be lit. Ocho, thank you guys for another episode of Nightcap. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Where you going?

Where you going? What you want to talk about? What you want to talk about, Ocho? Now, listen. I just saw something, right? It quit. Quit let it skirt. where you going oh we don't talk about it no listen what you want to talk about now listen i just saw something right it quit quit the skirt excerpt so you you ain't got no old lady right and i told you i was searching i've been looking i've been talking to some people right and then it's so crazy like the speed of the process like oh shit this really makes sense. Boom. You know, one plus one equals two. So I looked at it like, oh, I saw Kim K

and she said like, oh, I'm looking for an older man after my separation from Pete Davidson. I'm like, oh shit. That's crazy. Listen to me. Stay with me now, baby. Stay with me now. I'm like, oh shit. It's perfect. I just

talked to Unk and Unk, I'm just saying what Unk got going on, you know, the vision and being focused and him being busy. Well, Kim would be the perfect person because she busy and he be, she be focused. So whenever they, they have time to get together, boom, we get, and knowing what Kris Jenner, what she could do, what y'all coming to, y'all could be like a power, like a power, like power Rangers or a power couple, whatever they call it. Like, what'd you think about that? Before I make that call, what'd you think about that? Man, Kanye ain't gonna write no diss track about me. Listen, Kanye is in a, is, is married. He's, he's gone. He, he's in it. He's his, he, he, he ain't even in the picture right now.

So I'm saying, I'm saying this with all due respect before I respect. Before I make this call, think about what happened with Travis Kelsey. Stay with me. Stay with me. Understand. Yeah, yeah. Taylor Swift came into his life and everything exponentially just shot up. Think about what Kim and that entity itself can do for Club Shake Shake. Talk to me. Stay with me now.

Let me know. Let me know before. Let me know. Wait, hold on. Let me see. Let me know before I made the call. First of all. What you think?

I heard what she said i read it in in the article okay okay she said she's looking for someone in her 40s clearly i'm not in my 40s wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait you gotta understand you you black right so yeah you don't really have to be in you could be in whatever age you are you look 40 so it don't matter because we age different we age gracefully so you could our 50 is really 40 sometime 30 depending on who you are so you good so you you check that box now find me another excuse i don't i don't i don't really have an excuse other than the fact that play it cool now no no no's going to see this. No, no, no. She's going to see this. Ocho, the visibility, man.

I'm a private. I'm too private. No, you're not. I'm too private. I wish you the best. I wish you the best in finding. Let's not play this game. Now, you were just on a goddamn date with Selena Gomez and tried to play it off like y'all didn't come together by leaving separately.

And it just so happened your car didn't come up in a goddamn time. Now you talk about you scared of some goddamn visibility. That's what you need right now. That's what we're trying to do. The vision that you have and the people that you have to take care of that you just named early in the show and trying to reach that pinnacle of success where y'all can at some point say, you know what? We done.

You having that into your life can get you to that goal much faster than anybody else. You need to rethink this because you're not thinking straight right now. Look, this is what I know. You're not thinking straight right now. That's the problem. No, I am.

Look, for me, if I went away tomorrow, the kids, my sister, my mom, they straight. Ain't nobody got to work the rest of their life if they didn't want to. Hopefully my kids are not like that. And so, OK, I got this amount of money. I'm done with it. I'm going to sit down and just chill.

Hopefully that's not the case. Right, right. But now is for the opportunity for the people that's helping me with Shea Shea Media. All the people now from the ground floor that started with me. When we grow and I say, look, guys, it's been a great run. But now it's time for me to enjoy some of the things that I've accumulated. It is time for me to step away. If they want to continue to work, that's them. Hey,

Ash, 20 plus years younger than me. Jordan, 30 years younger than me. Whatever, the case may be. CJ, whatever he wants to do, that's a decision that they can make. But I do want to put them in a situation but if they say, you know what,

man, I work part-time but I ain't finna grind like we've grinded for the last 10, 5, 10 years. Right. That's that's what I want to do. I want to I want to be I want to be able to do for my workers what I've seen some of the other corporations do for the workers that got in at the bottom floor. The kids straight. The kids, the grandkids, they're going to be straight. Right.

But I need you to see the bigger picture right now. Yonk, you're not seeing the bigger picture. Can you imagine? Let's just say for the sake of argument. There we go. Now we're on the same page now, baby. Talk to me. Bro, I went out with Kim Kardashian. Yeah. Man,

we'll wake up tomorrow and Uncle Ocho would have 2 million subscribed subs. 5 million. 5 million. Club Shea Shea would have 2.5, 3 million subs. Yes, sir. Now we on the same page. Come on now.

And now. Come on. Kim, Kim, Kim, Kim, I know you're going to see this, Kim. Listen to me. Chestnut checkers, mama. With all due respect. Look, what they've been able to do, I think they're an amazing family. Phenomenal.

Phenomenal. I mean, what Chris has been able to do for her daughters, a lot of times what Kim went through would have derailed, crippled anybody else's career. For them to clean that up, to package that, and to go to where they went, to ascend to the heights. The highest of heights. Yeah, yeah. But I wish her the best, though, Joe.

I really do. Yeah, don't worry about it. I got you. I'm going to make that call. I'm going to make that call. I'm going to make that call. Because, you know, I know people in hot places. I know you know people. Yeah. Look, Ocho, you know, in the

last probably like two months, I've been in touch with people and people of style. Hey, you him my number. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. But I'm talking about business. You saw I sat up.

You saw I sat up, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Trust me, no women have reached out and tried to hit me with the number, but, but it's just, uh, the relationship and what club Shay Shay and what, uh, uh, nightcap and being on ESPN is, is, and what it's been able to do for my brand and the opportunity that I've been able to, that I've been afforded. And I've been able to, to, to give you an opportunity and hopefully you can take it and like, okay, yeah, I like Uncle Nocho, but Hey, I kind of want to do something also.

I want to do first take. And I've been asking for a whole month. I've been asking to do first take for a whole month and still to this day, I ain't getting nothing but excuses. But it's okay, but go ahead. Ocho, we were doing so good. I mean, he was courteous. You were receptive to courtesy. You were understanding

and I don't try like, and then boom. I know. We're still at square one. Sometimes, sometimes in life, all you need is to pick me up. I need you to be Travis Kelsey. I need you to be my Taylor Swift. Bring me and put me on first take, and I do. I take care of the rest from now.

That's it. Ocho, have you ever been on First Take before? Yeah, about 20 years ago. About 20 years ago. Yeah. 20 years ago. And I out debated Stephen A and Skip. Yeah, they couldn't they couldn't touch me. They couldn't touch me. I'm sure they have your info. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I don't want them to call me.

I want you to give me the call so I can feel proud that, you know what, my partner, someone that I confide in, someone that I trust, and someone that gave me an opportunity to have a little bit of visibility got me that job. I don't want them to hit me. I want you to be like, oh, so you won't believe this. Bro, how you expect me to get you a job? You have the power. You just said it. You have been afforded the opportunities that have come before you.

And that is where you take me, you take your partner with you. Well, listen, they got me this. That's what we're doing. And right now, our partnership, it might just be digitally. And that's okay. It ain't got to be digitally. No, I'm just saying it might not be linear.

We might not have a show on regular television. And that's okay. Right. Because think about it. Mr. Beast does $50, $60 million a a year and he's not on one regular channel. Everything he does is digitally. There are people, Joe Rogan, he's not on regular television. He does 30 million a

year. So we've got to get out that mindset about TV. TV is great. I just want to go on first take once. That's all. You already own it. I like this is what we're doing. I ain't saying this got to be, I'm talking about a separate entity in're doing I ain't saying this gotta be I'm talking about a separate entity in itself

I'm trying to diversify my portfolio I want my resume to say Oh he been on first take Oh he got clubs Huh Yeah do a little Tech A little

Oil and gas Some of the financials You be straight a little oil and gas. Yeah. Some of the financials. You be straight. I heard Bitcoin is making a comeback, but hey. I ain't trying to do all that, man. I need the people to see this. They see you right now. They're looking at you.

I'm looking at you, too. I like it. But we good. We'll tap back in and we'll revisit this back in what's today? Monday? What? Babe, what's today? Today's Thursday. Oh, it's Thursday.

Listen, we'll revisit this conversation Sunday. What are we going to revisit? Oh, just about what direction we're trying to go into, what direction we trying to go into as far as finding you a partner. We got to fix that because I love what you're trying to do, but it ain't going to be complete until it has the touch of a woman

that understands what you have going on and willing to sacrifice to take that journey with you. Hold on. Tyreek was just on TV the other day. Tyreek was just on TV the other day. Shannon Sharp was just on TV the other day and said, Tyreek is the most dangerous weapon in the league. Like, oh, two years ago, I couldn't do this. What did I say you couldn't do?

Me? No, Tyreek. Tyreek was on his podcast today, and he said Shannon Sharp just the other day said, Tyreek was the most dangerous weapon in the league. Like two years ago, I couldn't do this. What did I say you couldn't do? I'm always giving you your fly.

I said you started out. I said you started out as a gadget guy. You taught yourself the route tree because mainly you was a punt returner. You had a little package. You were a punt returner, kick returner. You have packages. You turn yourself into a great receiver. Now you're every down player and you're well on your way to the hall of fame i think it was like when steve smith said uh steve smith and i had a

conversation yes sir uh and when i said hands and he said tyreek was a body well he was a body catcher but but see here's the thing. Now, he took what I said. And let's just say for the sake of argument, he said what I said. Why he didn't give me, you see what he said? Oh, the other day, Shannon Sharp said he was the most dangerous weapon. And two years ago. See, he didn't leave it at that. He went back.

You see how the mind is wired? You see how the human mind is wired? Not the praise, but something that I said that I did it. I don't remember saying it, but if I said I'm going to go back, I'd go back and see. But I think over the years, it's probably 750 great things

to one. But that didn't matter. Only if you don't praise these guys in today's game, every single word that comes out of your mouth, I mean, I didn't beat you up when your last year there, you had like three or four picks that went off your hand, three or four balls that went off your hand and got intercepted.

I didn't kill you. I didn't see it. I didn't see it. So it's hard. It's hard for me to. But I still think he's a phenomenal receiver. I hope he goes over 2,000. I still think

he's the most dangerous man in football. He is. Regardless of position. And so, that's where it is. He's from Georgia. I have the utmost respect for him. I met his mom when they came and did my podcast. So, Tyreek, if you feel

offended by something that I said I apologize bro Yeah Tyreek why don't you tell the people How I locked your ass up in the off season Yeah I'm the only one that done covered him Only one I love him I love him to death Ocho Ocho you can't be no DB At what you

Whoa The footage is on film Ask Tyreek what I did to him Ask AB what I did to him. Ask AB what I did to him. Ask Jamar Chase. Ask Devontae Adams. Ask Justin Jefferson how I locked him down. Ocho, you got a slew footy though.

Who? You. I am. You a little slew. I am. That's why I can stop on a dime. That's what they call you. They call you back.

They say when you were younger, they called you sleuth. The fact that I'm sleuth foot is why I'm able to run full speed and stop like that. Yeah, man. I'm special, man. Special. You ain't got to do that.

Huh? Yeah, because I, you know what? I saw it. I saw it on a, I saw it on a, on YouTube, but I I saw it on, uh, um, on YouTube, but I couldn't find it where he's actually saying because he was talking and you know, I just tried to get to the part where he said that he, uh,

where he said that he called me out, but you got it. You got it. But it's called like, uh, updating your resume, Tyreek. So let me ask you a question. If you were to win offensive player of the year this year, why didn't you win him the years past? Maybe some things change. You see how that works, Ocho?

Yeah. So are you going to say, well, y'all didn't vote me offensive player four years ago. What changed? Listen, it's the nature of the beast. It is. And understanding I want our current players today to be able to take criticism a little bit better and understand that it's not personal, but they will remember it.

They will remember it. And I know because I'm still, I like to say I'm still young myself and not too far removed from the game. And anytime I hear anything negative, well, I'm one of the few who don't care. I just, you know, I just don't care what nobody say anyway. But at times it bothers the players at times. At times it bothers the players and it can affect them. And they remember that stuff and they hang on to it.

And they have a resentment towards the people that say some of the things that they say. That's why I'm so careful. That's why I'm so careful at times with being too critical because I used to once be that player. I used to once be on that field. I was once one of the players that dropped balls or had bad games. So to me, it's very hard for me to sit up here and be like, well, goddamn, you should have did this. Well, goddamn, you should have did that. You should have did that. Because I was once in that position. So I empathize with them. But because you were in that position, you

know what's capable for guys that's in that position. So you're not speaking from someone that doesn't know because, Ocho, you've been an all-pro. You've been a Pro Bowl receiver. So you're speaking from a point of knowledge. Right. See, those that can do, those that can talk about it.

Right. So I already did, though. Right. And again, this is training that I will do so I can find a happy medium where I can be critical and still, it's not, you know what, like my grandma used to tell me, it's not what you say is how you say it. And that's all that comes down to. It's not what you say, it's just how you say it. Delivery is very important. You've been married before, right? You've been married? No, no. No? Well, you had a woman. It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Depending on who you're talking to, your delivery has to be on point.

Ocho, you can tell a woman, say, babe. Yes, sir. I don't think you should wear that. Are you saying I'm fat? No, but I just tell you. You see what I'm saying? Ocho, look at my delivery. Babe, I don't think you should wear that.

It didn't matter because the way she perceived it. So it doesn't matter how you come at these guys. The delivery. In fact, it's just the fact that you're not praising them. Because when you, Ocho, you know this. When you're a professional and you good and all you get is praise, praise, praise, and you don't and all you get is praise, praise, praise, and you don't hear anything negative, when you hear negative, you forget about all the praise.

That's why the wins never feels as good as the bad, lost, and hurt. Right, right, right. So no matter how much I've praised a player, I can praise a player for 10 years. The one time. The one time I say. Yeah, you're can praise the player for 10 years. The one time I say... Yeah, you're right. You're right about that. Listen, we talk about life in general. Talk about when people always need something

and you always give, give, give, and then one time you say no. Oh, nigga, you ain't never done nothing for it, nigga, man. That's how you act funny now? Oh, it's like ain't never done nothing for it, nigga, man. And that's how you acting funny now? Oh, it's like that? You got to put limits on what you give because takers will never put limits on what they take.

Oh, no, never. Never. So you got to put the limits on it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bro, Ocho, I can take 1,000 pictures. Yeah. I don't take 1,001. Man, Ocho, I can take a thousand pictures. Yeah. I don't take a thousand and one.

Man, I saw Shannon Sharp the other day. He ain't take no pictures. He too good. Bro, I just took a thousand. Yeah. I signed a thousand autographs. Right. Oh, man.

Man, I don't mess with that. Man, that Ninja, man. He better. Bro. You can't please everybody. You can't. You cannot. It's impossible. Once you realize that,

no matter what you do, let's just say I had $30 billion. You will. You will if you talk to Kim, but go ahead. Let's just say, for the sake of argument, Ocho, and I gave

an institution $5 million. He only gave him $5 million? He worth $30 billion. Bro. You count my pockets. Why you count my pockets? But you see what I'm saying, Ocho? It's not the fact that I gave.

It's that you didn't givecho? Yeah, yeah. Now, it's not the fact that I gave. It's that you didn't give enough. Enough, yeah. Man, Shannon Shaw should do all this. It's always been like that, though. Always. It is. Always. It's never satisfying to the people that's not even giving.

It's never enough to the people that's not even giving. So I've learned, hey, I'm going to live my life. I can't please everybody. I'm going to be the best person I possibly can. And that's all I got for you. So I'm not perfect. I don't try to be perfect.

I've made mistakes. I'm going to make some more. I'm going to make some more. People make mistakes. And I'm a firm believer the best apology for a mistake is change behavior. Change behavior. That's a good one. I'm glad I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. I know you want to go because I know you got you got first take tomorrow.

No, no, I'm sleeping. I'm sleeping in tomorrow. All right. Good. I'm glad you see me. We're going to stay on stay on. The best apology is change behavior. You understand human nature in general. I understand human behavior. I do. You understand. And you understand that human error is inevitable. Yes.

Right? So I'm asking you as a father, as a man, how do you find that happy medium and always riding the fine line of being on the always on the end of right instead of wrong? I really just try to like set my ego aside yeah and can see myself as that person but you only do it if you set your ego aside

right and pride and see being coming from where I came from a thousand square foot cinder block home cement floors tin roof people only see this aspect of Shannon 1,000 square foot cinder block home, cement floors, tin roof. People only see this aspect of Shannon.

Right. The end product. The end product. Yes. They didn't see the no indoor plumbing. They didn't see that. They didn't see having to, in the 80s, I'm not talking about 1930s, 40s, and 50s. I'm talking about the 80s. Shannon was going to the wood to relieve himself. So you

didn't see that. You didn't see Shannon drawing well water. You didn't see that. See, all you see is this. So I can empathize for somebody that doesn't have this now. Because I had that before. So I

divorced this Shannon because I remember that Shannon. And I realized that there are people that are less fortunate. I'm thankful that I have medical care and I'm able to get screened and I'm able to provide for my family.

But I used to think the same thing, Ocho. I did it. Why can't you? And then one night, I just had a vision. And I thought to myself, I was sitting on my bed. I said, because everybody didn't have Mary Porter.

Everybody didn't have a Sterling Sharp. Everybody didn't have a Cheryl Sharp. So God put things in my life that maybe somebody else has something else, but they didn't have a share of sharp. So God put things in my life that maybe somebody else has something else, but they didn't have that. Right. So once I realized that it was easy for me to just like, I never said, Oh, they couldn't. No, you don't know. You never, unless when people say, Oh, you don't know you never unless when people say Ocho you know the saying is that walk a mile in somebody's

shoes and if you remember my hall of fame speech I said if you walked a mile in my shoes you wouldn't do me justice you need to spend 20 years of my life to feel what I felt to eat what I ate to live how I live because that one mile that you spent in my shoes might have been the best day of my life and

see now you got a false sense of what it was like to be Shutterstock for 20 years. Ooh. Come on, preacher. So, it's so easy for me to divorce myself, my ego, and empathize with somebody else. I've never been a selfish player. I've always been a team player. I'll take a hit for the team. I'm cool with that.

I want to see everybody succeed. My teammates, I think people and people like, you need to ask my teammates. And I'm not talking about the famous ones that's got to say the right thing because if they don't, it might get out. Ask the ones that's not and ask them how it was in the locker room. Go back to Glenville High.

Go to Savannah State. Go to Denver. Go to Baltimore. Ask them. Ask the people at FS1. From the second floor down, what Shannon Sharp was like. Ask the security. When you go to the front guard gate, ask what Shannon Sharp was like. Ask the security.

When you go to the front guard gate, ask them what Shannon was like. When you go to the restaurant, Moe's, and where they got breakfast, ask them. Ask them in the makeup room. Ask them in the wardrobe room. And then go to Denver and ask the equipment guy. Ask the people at the front. Ask the videographers. Ask the people at the front. Ask the videographers. Ask the people in the training staff.

Ask Mike. What the hell are you expecting to say? Don't ask John. What are you expecting to say? Right, right, right, right. Go ask the people at the front. Don't ask Stephen A. Ask the people at the front what's he like

I know it's only been a month or two but ask him go to Whole Foods go to Target ask those people I like it I like it. I like it.

I'm just who I am. I don't put on no front. I don't try to be something I'm not. I'm who I am. I think that's why we get along so well. I think that's why we get along so well. Everybody always talk about, oh, y'all got such great chemistry. Oh, y'all mesh well together.

But I think what makes it so easy, because we're just being truly organically and authentically ourselves. So it just flows naturally. People have watched the show and said, God damn, boy, y'all great together. How long y'all been doing this? Well, shit. We ain't got no goddamn script.

We ain't got no script. But it goes so well. And everywhere I'm going, oh, my goodness. I'm in Vegas. People say, boy, the show, man, with you and Shannon, man, it's great. How long y'all been practicing? Practicing? There ain't no practice.

What you're seeing is off the rails. What you're seeing is right off. It's off the cuff it's just natural and it's just I think the thing for you is that you knew me we had a

little deal with each other but not that much and when I saw the cross from you in the restaurant, I said, look, I'm picking you because I think you can do it. I think we can do it. I think we can do great TV. And I said, all I want you, I want to put you in a situation where you can grow. Now what you do with it, what you do with the seeds that I give you,

whether you choose to plant them, whether you choose to water them, whether you choose to fertilize them, that's on you. But I am going to give you the seeds to grow whatever you want to grow. And at the end of the day, that's it. So you will never say, oh, he helped me. He could have gave me a chance. That's all I can do. Right. And have a level of respect. I respect what you did.

I respect how you did it. And at the end of the day, you know that I sincerely want the best for you. This is not transaction. You know, I sincerely want you to succeed. I want you to be the best you can possibly be because I think you deserve this opportunity. I think you've earned this opportunity. And not only, but to grow.

Each show, you get better and better. You get better and better. And eventually, we're going to climb and we're not going to be number nine. We're going to be number one. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's about for me. It's to give other

people opportunities. Yeah. I will give you the opportunity. What you do with it, because a lot of times you give people opportunity. They say when you give someone an opportunity, when opportunity knocks, a grumbler complains about the noise. I like that. I give you the opportunity.

Listen, you know what I did with it? I done planted my seeds. I threw a little Viagra in there so it could grow a little faster. I mean, I'm in it. You laughing. Listen, I'm in my element. I mean, I'm laughing. Listen, I'm, I'm,

I'm in my element. I'm, I'm in my element. Talking sports, talking life, turn the cameras on. And I'm, I'm ready.

I'm going, I said, listen, we, you, you tried to get off 30 minutes ago. You notice I'm still sitting there talking. I know you are,

but I'm about to get off here right now though. Thanks for watching another episode of nightcap. I'm your favorite get off here right now, though. Hey, thanks for watching another episode of Night Camp. I'm your favorite, Sheldon Sharp. He's your favorite, number 85, six-time Pro Bowl player, Cincinnati being a Hall of, a ring of famer, legend. Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. You a Hall of Famer? Yeah, I'm a Hall, I made my own goddamn jacket.

I'm a Hall of, 101. Well, you in the Liberty City Hall of Fame. That's good enough for me. Good night, you're in the Liberty City Hall of Fame. That's good. Good night, everyone. Catch y'all. I'm Michael Kasson, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi. We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There's so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen.

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