Nightcap - Nightcap - Jerry Jeudy vs. Steve Smith + Will & Jada's Split

Episode Date: October 13, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss the bizarre situation between Jerry Jeudy and Steve Smith, how good of a receiver Jeudy is, Jada Pinkett Smith and Will Smith's separation, what the right level of privacy is in a relationship, and more.  #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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shannon and sharp he's your favorite receiver number 85 chad ocho cinco johnson ocho yo beat the broncos 19 to 8 but seemingly the biggest drama took place before the game yeah steve smith tried to talk to jerry judy about some of the comments that took place before the game. Yeah. Steve Smith tried to talk to Jerry and Judy about some of the comments that he said before. And he got an opportunity and they asked him and Smitty, who you know Steve very well, you played, you guys went to junior college together. Yes, sir.

He said that Judy told him, Ninja, and we know in our community what ninja mean, I don't know what you. And then during a segment in which steve smith senior was talking jerry judy started dancing and singing behind smitty uh what's your takeaway from what transpired before the game we gonna get into the game but obviously before the game what transpired one of the one of the things that i always told you about and one of the things that I have to get better at is being able to navigate and delivering and being critical of players without constructive criticism at time and being able to channel that and allow it to fuel them to go out and perform to the magnitude and to the standard in which we hold them to. Obviously, some of the things that Steve said didn't sit well with with Jerry. So as as a player, as as a player myself, I kind of understand where Jerry's coming from.

And then as being on the other end of the spectrum and knowing what Steve Smith was trying to do and hoping that the words that he used actually fueled Jerry in a positive manner but obviously it didn't go that way and it probably wouldn't go that way for many players when they hear former players talk about them in that way and knowing Steve and how Steve is he's a straight he's a straight shooter he's gonna tell you like it is based on how he feels and based on the production that you've done, you know, to this point. With that being said, I love Jerry. I love Steve. I would like for him to be able to go out and be maybe the only shining light on that Broncos offense.

So he doesn't have to deal with the scrutiny. But nobody is playing well right now with Broncos. So why we're sending Jerry Judy out when everything right now is singing like the goddamn... That's not what you said earlier. You said Russ was playing well. That's not what you said just a week.

You said Russell Wilson. You tried to argue me that Russell Wilson had played better than this. Hold on just a second. Just a second. No, no, no. No, no, no. Ain't no mentality no, no, no, no, no, no mentality. Right. That's the other day. You argue with me that,

that Russell Wilson had performed better than Patrick Mahomes. And then I corrected you. And you said Russell Wilson had played. Well, it's the defense. That's bad. Now you're saying that Jerry, now nobody is playing well.

So which is playing well. So which is, is Russell Wilson playing well or is he going to play well? Wait a minute. The team is one and four, right? Yes. Is the team one and four? Yes. Okay.

The team is one and four. So as a whole, they're not playing well altogether. They're one and five now. Why are we? Oh yeah. They're one and five now. Why are we singing out them? And then the defense, the defense played well tonight. The defense played well tonight.

It was a two, listen to me now. It was a two-possession game all the way up to the goddamn fourth quarter tonight. They had ample time and ample opportunity to make it a game. And the refs tried to make it a game, obviously, towards the end on that non roughing the passer.

They did that on purpose. Let's make it a game for them. So let me ask you this. If at one and four, nobody was playing well, why were you trumpeting Russell Wilson's calls? What was that, what? Trumpeting Russell Wilson's calls. You said Russell Wilson was playing well. Now, hold on just a second.

Now to help build your case why Jerry Judy isn't playing well, you said no one is playing well. And so why are we piling on jerry i'm talking about we're piling on jerry judy when offensively the team in itself is not playing well we're not you we're not seeing the russell wilson we're used to seeing that we saw when he's with the seahawks we all know that but his numbers his numbers aren't what they were with the seahawks but they're not as bad as we were trying to make it seem

if you pull up the goddamn numbers. Russell Wilson was 13-22 for 95 yards. He got 37 of those yards on that touchdown drive with one touchdown and two interceptions. So, again, are you sure? Go ahead. Now you're talking about tonight's game. Now, before that, I'm saying before that,

they were playing decent football. He was playing decent football. That's not what you said. You just said nobody was playing well. Now you're coming back, reframing it, saying they were playing decent. Now which is it? Well, it's both of them if you look at it

from both spectrums, both sides of it. Well, if you're one and four, how are you playing decent? Well, ain't nobody playing as good as we want them to. That's why they're one and four. But that's not what you just said, Ocho. You just said they were playing decent. Decent ain't going to win you no games. You know that, right?

Oh, really? Decent ain't going to win you no games. You know that, right? Oh. You know that. Decent ain't going to win you no games. So you think, hold on. Jerry Judy was the 15th overall pick.

Yeah. Jerry Judy. There are five receivers in that same draft class that have more receiving yards than Jerry Judy's 2,500 and 2,503 and nine touchdown. Justin Jefferson, who was selected after Jerry Judy. T Higgins, who was selected after Jerry Judy. CeeDee Lamb, who was selected after Jerry, Jerry Judy. Tee Higgins, who was selected after Jerry Judy. CeeDee Lamb, who was selected after Jerry Judy. Brandon Ayuk, who was selected after Jerry Judy.

Michael Pittman Jr., who was selected after Jerry Judy. All of those guys have more receiving yards, more touchdowns. How about I do you this one? There were two receivers that were selected in the draft after him. That's been more productive than Jerry Judy. Jamar Chase, Jalen Waddle, and Armand St.

Brown and Devon Devante Smith are within a hundred yards who were selected in the draft after him of Jerry Judy. And so you're saying, hold on just a second. Okay. Hold on just a second. So you're saying the criticism that Steve Smith said, the constructive criticism of a guy that has over a thousand catches, a guy that's been to multiple Pro Bowls,

one of five guys, if I'm not mistaken, to possess the Triple Crown, lead the league in yards, catches, and touchdowns in the same calendar season. So you're saying his critique of Jerry Judy is unfair. I said the delivery of the critique was unfair. We missed that part. We missed that part. We missed that part.

Because if it was fair, then Jerry wouldn't, there would be no reason for him to be mad. He's mad for a reason. You just said that the players take the criticism, they don't handle it well. So should he have to deliver for the Amazon Prime, UPS, FedEx, Standard Mail? How should he have delivered it? And I don't like what you did because you just ran out all the people that were drafted before and after him.

And look at the team that you're naming that are using the players to their advantages. Look about what you said. You're naming Jamar Chase. Well, you're naming Justin Jefferson. Well, you're naming Jalen Waddell. Well, look at what the team is doing with them. You do realize that when teams select a player before these other players are selected,

you do realize the expectation is what? For that player to perform at a level at that or above what said players that were drafted after them. You do know how to draft works, right? Right. I do know how it works, right? And you know how production works, right? You know how production works?

Yes. And then targets and being able to produce, you have to be able to put in a position to do that, right? Yes. You have to be able to be put in a position to do that, right? Yes. You have to be able to be put in a position to do that. It don't just happen. It don't just happen by yourself.

Yes. Hey, you know what? Even Claypool, Chase Claypool, who's on his third team? Yeah. In the same draft as Jerry Judith. Yes, sir. Has four more touchdowns. Oh, so we trying to nitpick?

Ain't no nitpicking. You just said players don't handle constructive criticism because you said the delivery. I have a question. Shandy, you know good and well they don't take it well because you are very critical of players and you deliver your message in the way you're going to deliver it and you're not motherfucking changing the way you deliver that message when they're not playing the way they should based on the standard that you hold

them by. And you know, why don't you take a well? Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Why don't, why don't get upset when I give them credit?

Why don't I say, man, give me too much credit. I don't need all that credit, man. Listen, that that's, that's the layer.

That's the layer of landscape. That's the nature of the beast. That's just the way it is. So guess what? That's the layer of land. When you own this side of the camera, that's the layer of the landscape. That's the nature of the beast. That's just the way it is. So guess what? That's the layer of the land. When you're on this side of the camera, that's the layer of the land. You play well, I say you play well. You play bad, I say you play bad. Right.

But I just, but I thought it was a little bit unprofessional. You see them doing an interview, and then you come on the sideline and you start dancing and bucking behind them. Oh, oh, oh. So now it's a problem. Oh, it's a problem? Hold on, leteline and you start dancing and bucking behind them? Oh, oh, oh, oh. So now it's a problem. Oh, it's a problem? Hold on.

Let me ask you a question. Oh, so now it's a problem. What's that profession? You can shoot how you want to on the camera and the mic, but then when the person see you in person, now it's a problem on how they want to dance, why they want to get ready for the game? You do realize that Steve Smith approached him like a man

and wanted to have a conversation to say, bro, if you took anything that I said, I want to apologize. Right. Oh, he did say sorry. Well, bro, he wasn't feeling it. He wasn't feeling it. But you know what? Jared, you can make the others go away if he played better.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, three catches tonight for 14 yards. So what's that supposed to do? So what's that supposed to do? So what's that supposed to do? Can I ask you a question? He had three for 14 tonight, right? Yeah.

So you are blaming the production and the targets that he was afforded on him and why he had three for 14. Was he open? Well, shit. Don't do that. It might stink. I have a question. Can I say something real quick? You have half of your show. Of course you can. Listen, you got

Puka Nakua over with the Rams, right? Yes. Had 39 for 501 yards up until I think maybe last week until Cuba Cup being back. So you mean to tell me that the Rams have figured out a way to get a rookie to lead the league and catches and receptions. But over here in Denver, we have a talent like that of Jerry Judy, which I've seen since he was Alabama. I saw him in high school at Deerfield Beach Senior High, and all of a sudden he gets to the Broncos. He's drafted

at a certain place, 15th if I'm not mistaken, in the first round, right? 15th? Yep. And they don't know how to use him to his strengths. But he's been doing it at every motherfucking level. Oh, shit. My bad, my bad, my bad. He's been doing it at every level, but all of a sudden he gets to the Broncos. Now there's something wrong with him. Now he can't get over.

Now he can't get over all of a sudden. One of the best route runners in the game today, now we can't get open all of a sudden. Under your premise, if you had a great high school career, if you had a great college career, therefore that should translate into a great pro career. So hold on, let me finish, let me finish.

So how many guys, every guy in the NFL had a great high school or college career so therefore under your theory if you had those two great high school great college therefore you should have a great pro career

what you're not finna sit here and do is sit here and talk about Jerry Judy like he's some below average receiver that's what we're not gonna do because the production is not what it should be and it ain't fucking on him it ain't on him we're not going to do because the production is not what it should be and it ain't fucking on him. It ain't on him. We're not going to do that. Don't do that. All I know is, hold on.

All I know is that Sean Payton has had other receivers. You look at the guys that he coached in New Orleans, they got it done. You told me Russell Wilson was playing well. But see, and a lot of other people have told me Russell, but when you don't watch the game and all you look at the box scores. Yeah.

And then you will look at it and you say, Russell did play well, but if you watch the game, you can see Russell has not played well. Right. But say, but when you are stat watcher and not a game watcher, you won't be able to differentiate between the two,

but I can't. Right. So with that being said to you, so in other words, you think Jerry, and I'm not, I believe, listen, I was wrong because I thought he was the most talented receiver coming out in the draft. I thought he should have been the first receiver off the board. I do.

You know what he can do. You know what he can do. Oh, Joe. All you have to do, you're not going to... If they can do it with Puka Nakua and with the Ram, they can do it with Jerry Judy because of the difference in skill. He got the DNA to make up to be a difference maker, but they're not using him the right goddamn way.

It's really simple. It's really simple. It's not that hard. I think the thing is, is is that you have because he's from florida and he played at deerfield ojo the man is underachieved it's as simple as that now here it is now i mean he's this is third offensive coordinator this is third offensive coordinator oh it's third offensive coordinator. This is third offensive coordinator. Oh, it's third offensive coordinator. Yeah. Okay. Oh, okay. Third. Third. Yeah.

So when they make the excuse for quarterbacks having a third offensive coordinator as the reason why their production isn't what it should be, is it different when it's a receiver? No, no, no. I don't make excuses. I call it like it is because guess what?

At some point in time, we see what we got to stop always was the coaching. It's the coaching. Maybe the guy just isn't going to be what we expected him. And that's okay. Ocho, you do realize everybody that goes in the first round is not meant to have the level of success that we thought they would have because of where they were selected in the draft. You do understand that, right?

Yeah, I do understand. I do understand that part. Are you sure you understand that? Yeah, I understand it clear as day. But I also, I have the eye test. And I also am not dumb. Well, you cross-eyed it. Hey, listen.

I'm caught like a bilge right now. If you're using the right way, if you're using the right way, if you're using the right way and understanding his strengths and what he does well and what he doesn't do too well, it's easy to put him in position to succeed. It's not hard. Ocho, if we did that for every player, if we just catered the offense to what Jerry Judy,

so what about Corlin Sutton? Wait, he been drafted in the first round, right? 15th pick? Yeah, that's what you do. That's what you do. So what about Cortland Sutton, who's a pro bowler? So we got to run Curtis Offense to do what he does well. Are you trying to win games or not?

Because you're doing it the Broncos way and you're winning goddamn five. Are you trying to win games or not? So hold on. How many games have they won since Jerry Judy been there? How many games has he contributed to the winning? Don't do that. That's what I'm saying.

The whole point of trying to win is putting your pieces in position to help you win. If you're not doing that, then what? So in other words, does Jerry Judy bear any culpability in him not having the level of success that we expected him to have at this point? Yeah, of course. Of course. Of course. What's that responsibility? Jerry, Jerry, Judy, go in to practice every day, right? You study film every day, right? Yes. He goes to work Wednesday, practice Thursday, practice Friday. He's at walkthrough on Saturdays

and he goes out there on Sundays wanting the results of the work that he's put in throughout the week to show up on Sunday, doesn't he? Yes. But it's not going the way he'd like it to go. What do you do from that point on? What do you do from that point on? Look, I think we've all

had stretches where we've had stretches and things didn't quite go our way. I just put my hard hat on and I just came to work every day. Bingo. I mean, there was a stretch. I mean, you have to understand. I was the highest rated receiver below 1A.

I was like number three on my draft coming out. I was third rated receiver. And then I really didn't get a whole lot of reps. I was a special team yes but i just say you know what i'm just gonna keep getting better i'm gonna keep a special team is where i'm gonna make it so i bust my tail on that and then when it clicked and then when i didn't have you know it's easy it's easy to point the finger say the quarterback or the offensive coordinator. Well, I'm going to make it so difficult. You ain't got no choice, but to call plays for me right now. Jerry Judy is making it very easy.

Ocho for the, for the coordinator and the head coach not to put him in position. See, you made it difficult for them, not to call your number for them, not to call your name, regardless of down and distant, regardless of area on the field, regardless of the score, I'm going to make it so difficult.

Hey, 84, what you want? 85, what you want? Coach, give me that square out. Coach, give me that nine. Coach, give me that bang eight. Right. At this point, that's what Jerry, he has to have the mindset. So you know what? Damn it.

Hey, enough of arguing. Forget all that. Because you can't win because you only get an opportunity to speak when they come to you. I mean, all these other guys, I mean, and me, now, I used to go

back and forth with them too, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie. But I'm gonna, no, I'm sorry, I used to go back and forth with them too, Ocho. I ain't going to lie. For real? No, I'm sorry. I used to go back and forth with them on Twitter. Right, right, right. But now, I say what I say on a particular platform, I'm done with it. And that's how you got to get. You say what you say and be done with it.

I'm not going to go back and forth with you because I know what I see. Right. Look, a lot of time used to be before we started getting jobs like this, Ocho, it was just journalists. And the argument they would use, you never played the game. You never ran a route. So when you critique him, what is he going to say to Ocho? One of the greatest route runners in NFL history. The greatest. Okay. The greatest route runner in NFL history. One of the guys that, okay, the greatest route runner in NFL history.

So what's his argument with you? What's his debate with me? My resume speaks for itself. I'm not going to even tell you my resume, but you can Google it. So what's the argument now? See, that's the problem. You're running out of journalists to say they didn't play.

Now you got two guys debating what you're running out of journalists to say they didn't play now you got two guys debating what you're doing what you're not doing right that played and played at a high level at some point in time even when we talk about and it's only us oh you trying to bring a black man down but when a white analyst criticizes a white player, they don't ever say, oh, you're trying to bring me down. Bro, I'm bringing you down how? I'm not saying, oh, what about that gun you had in your car? Or what about that marijuana? Or what about this and that? I don't say that. I'm talking about your play on the field. That's all I care about. All that other

stuff, I let TMZ, I let the shade rule, I let Ball Alert and Hollywood Unlock, I let them deal with that. I'm specifically talking about play on the beat. I think all Jerry has to do, all he has to do to answer to the critics and anybody that has anything to say is when the opportunities present themselves, you have to make the most of them.

If it's three, if it's four, if it's two, if it's one, you got to, you got to have it. And he already got that mentality. Anyway,

he already has that mentality. Anyway, you just got's one, you got to, you got to have it. And he already got that mentality anyway. He already has that mentality anyway. You just got to forget, ignore the noise, go and do what you do best. Cause you've been doing it for years. You've been doing it for years and he's always been a winner. It's the funny thing about it. He's always been winning. He's always been winning all his life. All of a sudden now you're in a situation where it's not the same, where it's not the

same. You have to be that much more special at the position you're doing, that much more clinical, technique sound, and polished because of the way things are now and just the landscape of how things are going. You've got to be that much more perfect at the position you're playing. But the thing is that that's what you have to realize. You said something, and that's how I got the name Big Play Shea is because I would take one play and I'm going to hit my head on the goalpost.

I knew I wasn't going to get those kind of opportunities because that's not the type of team that we had. I wasn't going to get 15 targets. I might get three. Now, one, if you make a mistake, I'm going to hit my head on the goal post. You gone. You gone. Yeah. Yeah, you gone. And that's the mentality he has to have. That's all.

The game tonight, what was your big takeaway? What did you like? What didn't you like? For the Broncos, even though they lost, the defense, thank you. The defense, thank you for coming to play. Obviously, playing against the juggernaut that is the Chiefs, they came to play ball tonight. They came to play ball.

If they got any ounce of production from the offense outside of what they scored toward the end of the game, as far as getting, getting them in position to score, it would have been much better. Even with the ref trying to say, even, even though the ref trying to make it a game at the end of the game with the fake rough and the passer, it was brilliant. The defense played really well. They came to play outside of what we saw from them when they played the dolphins. It wasn't that. I was really surprised by that. Obviously, the Chiefs are doing what the Chiefs always do,

keeping it a close game against a divisional opponent. And anytime you got Patrick Mahomes at the helm. If you're the Broncos, Ocho, you got to win that game. Do you realize? Find a way to win it. Find a way to win it. That's only the fifth time in 51 home games,

regular season and playoffs, that Mahomes has been held below 20 points. You held Patrick Mahomes for the fifth time in 51 home games, regular season and playoffs, you got to find a way to win. Because you know he normally get to the high 20s 30s at home you know that and and you kept him you may think about it you picked him in the end zone you made him kick two feet you made you turn them over on downs in the red zone and you made them kick field goals yeah you've got to somehow find a way to win that game and change the mindset it's not

good enough what we played them we right there we played them close you've got to find a way to win that game and change the mindset is not good enough. We right there, we played them close. You've got to find a way to get that game in their building to change the entire mindset of the organization. Yeah, I think the interceptions hurt, the fumble hurt. Well, no, they got the fumble back,

but the interception hurt where Russell tried to hit Judy. I got caromed up and did, yeah, both of but that interception hurt where Russell tried to hit Judy. One of those, I call it that. They caromed up and did, yeah, both of them. I don't know if he was trying to go to Judy. It looked like he was trying to go to the tight end. Yeah.

But I don't understand. Just go ahead and check the back because he's not looking for that. He don't even see the middle linebacker because there's nothing to hold him. He's just tracking Russ's eyes. So he sees Russ's eyes goes to his left. He goes to his right. Yeah, it's unfortunate, man. Right now, everything is magnified for that Broncos team,

offensively and defensively, especially on the offense. And, you know, they're killing Russ. They're killing Russ. And I'm sure mentally I think that can take a toll on you. You think so? Yeah. I think they're going to move Judy. They're probably going to move Sutton.

They're just like, you know what? Whoa, whoa, whoa. They can't move every goddamn body. Yeah. They're about to get into Caleb Williams. Right now, if the draft was today, they'd be third. They'd be sitting third. Right.

Because the way I look at it, Ocho, where they going? Where you going? You can't, as a team and as a coach, you can't fold this early because you'll lose your team. You can't lose your team. You got to keep fighting. And even if you are in the sweepstakes

for Caleb Williams, you have to still call the plays and game plans. Oh, they're calling the plays? Yeah, game plans to a certain way where you want to win. But you see letting Randy Gregory, you know, trading Randy Gregory. They're going to start and say, okay, let's go ahead and start. Let's get some of these young guys some playing time. Let's try to get some draft capital.

Because think about what they gave up to get Russ. Yeah. Bruh, you emptied the coffers. And you gave up quality players to get him. A Shelby Harris, a Noah Fant, three first-round picks. Right. So you gave up a lot to get him. So now you got to try to get some of that capital back

judy could possibly fetch you a second round pick courtland sudden might fetch you a third or fourth round pick you've got to try to look and i it's rough when you're a veteran player because i don't hey by the time the broncos if i'm a veteran player by the time the broncos get good hell i'm gonna be gone right right i right, right. I'm going to be retired or they're going to be shitting me on with the youth movement. And it's hard

because I've been in that situation where, you know, like, okay, what do we do? But fortunate for me, I've always,

you know, when you thought about it, I was like, man, I got John. So, dang, ain't no rebuild going on

as long as you got seven. But I empathize for people that i've from a distance i've watched and i'm like bro until he gets good i'm supposed to just take the l's until he gets good or until y'all rebuild or get all the guys that you guys want it's tough but the broncos these are the games that the Broncos have lost because they've been right there for whatever reason. They played Kansas City tough as hell. Every time. And have yet to find a way to get one of these victories.

Listen, it's something about those divisional games. I don't know what it is. Something about the divisional games, they are always close. Every so often, you'll get a blowout. But when you say fire sale, I just want a little bit more clarification. Does that fire sale also come with Russ having to move as well? If somebody would take him off their hand, you'd be like, yeah, yeah, they would ship Russ, absolutely.

Absolutely. Because guess what? I ain't got, look, you do realize Russ signed like a, a two, a quarter of a billion dollar deal with like 160 to 170 of it guaranteed.

Right. So I get that off my books. Mm-hmm. So imagine the cap space I'm going to have. Right. Okay. Now I get draft capital

if I move one, because you got, you got a young receivers. You got Mims. You took Mims, I think, in the third or fourth round from Oklahoma. So you got some young guys. Johnson, you got some young guys that's shown potential. And another thing that's kind of hurt Judy is that Judy has kind of been nicked.

You know, his hamstring. You remember he started to see the hamstring. And I think he hurt his shoulder or he's hurt his knee something last year. So he's missed time and it's forced him not to be able to stay in a rhythm. Because it's hard. It's hard getting Nick during the season and coming back and finding a rhythm. Finding a rhythm. And that's the funny thing about it is when you get in rhythm

and you get that confidence going or you touch that ball and you start feeling it and you and the you and the quarterback build a rapport it's a beautiful thing it's it's almost like art it's almost like art and they him and russ just haven't been able to get on that page due to the injuries and stuff like that and it is unfortunate man it's very unfortunate marvin mills uh uh was drafted in the second round. Taylor Swift was in attendance, but I did like how Amazon chose not to just put her up there every time Kansas City did something, just flash her up on the screen.

Look, I'm happy for the NFL. Anybody that's going to bring eyes and positivity to the National Football League, I'm all for it. But boy, they were getting carried away with this now. Well, listen, every time, every time Travis Kelsey catches the ball,

Taylor Swift, boom, she's on the camera. And again, I understand what the NFL is doing and people watching at home have to understand what it also is about. The bottom line, eyes generated creates revenue. That's all it comes down to. Nothing more, nothing less. And it's smart. It's a great PR move and what they're doing together as a more, nothing less. And it's smart. It's a great PR move. And what they're doing together as a couple, they have to take advantage of that. The NFL taking advantage of it. And I hope Travis Kelsey does too.

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I know you heard this. This was a trending topic. Yeah. Jada Pickett-Smith speaks on her marriage with Will. Jada. She said her and Will have been separated since 2016. What? She also said that Tupac was her soulmate, but they had no chemistry. I don't know how that happened.

I don't know if you can be soulmates with no chemistry, because I think that's what makes you soulmate. But we can let me finish. And so, people are like, why you comment? She brought it to us. She brought it to us.

Did you know that her and Will had been separated? I didn't know that until you just told me. Nobody knew until she's on a book tour. So we got to understand. And see, now, so guess what? This man, basically your husband,

basically threw away a large part of his career. Right. Why? Because everybody, oh, that man, why? They not even, they separated. Wait, are you sure she said that? If it's a lie, she told it. Wait a minute. Hold on. Wait a minute.

Will Smith, wait. Hold on. That's so much to unpack right now, and I ain't got no suitcase. She said they have been separated since 2016. He did what he did in 2022 so at that point in time they had been separated for six years oh you got to be shitting me wait a minute so he went up there and and had that altercation with chris rock and they weren't even together

wasn't together she talked about ain't no way we're going to get a divorce. I'm sorry, Jada. Y'all divorced. You just haven't signed the paperwork. That is a very, very weird dynamic. Obviously, people in Hollywood already have a different way of doing things. They don't do things the traditional way. They have they operate and march to the beat of their own

drum. But wait a minute. I heard the whole Tupac was their soulmate, but they just had no chemistry. Boy, did you ever see a different world? Did you see a different world that episode with Jada Pinkett and Tupac was on there? Well, their chemistry was good. Their chemistry was good. This is what I hate.

This is what I hate, Ocho. And this is why a lot of times I don't, you know, I've been approached several times over the last year about writing a book. If I were to write a book, there are a lot of people that's gone, that's had a home going and they're not here to refute anything that I say. Right. I don't like that. Also, he's not here to refute that he proposed to you. That's what you're saying. Oh, he proposed?

She said that when he was in Rikers, well, actually, Rikers or Clinton Correctional. I know at one point in time, he probably started out at Rikers and then went to Clinton Correctional. Said he proposed to her. Well, you know what happened when you're in jail now. What, you know, you do anything when you're in jail.

A lot of the people, a lot of the people, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're in jail, you do anything. Yeah you know, you do anything when you're in jail. A lot of the people, a lot of the people, yeah, yeah, yeah. When you're in jail, you do anything. Yeah, man. You say anything. As soon as they get home. Different story.

It's a different story. So you know what? There's some validity there. You might be right. He might just say anything to get up out of there. I have a question. Yes.

I'm not into it, but from what I've learned and from what I've seen, there have been many times that Jada has expressed her interest in her love for Tupac through letters, if I'm not mistaken,

just a joke, because I'm not really into gossip like that. Yes, yes. But it's almost, it's almost in a sense, it's almost embarrassing for Will. To her husband.

Yeah, to her husband in a sense. She's embarrassing him at every turn. She's basically shown she's, for lack of a better word, taking a dump on him at every turn. Publicly.

Look, I think, Ocho, all of us, all of us of dating age, let's just say somewhere between the ages of 18 and 75. Right. Unless you married your childhood sweetheart. I think we've all had someone that we was very, very fond of. Right. But at every point in turn, you don't throw it up in the person's face at every turn. That that was my soulmate. I miss this man, and I'm talking publicly.

I'm not going to let you do that. I don't care. You're not going to continuously embarrass me by talking about another man while you're in a relationship with me. Right, with me. Well, that's the thing. You see what you just said?

The key words you just said. While you're in a relationship with me. But if they've been separated since 2016, maybe that's why she's doing the purposely. maybe she's doing the purposely to force him to divorce her oh joe she's been talking about this man from the jump think about it she will smell will smith felt some type of way about about tupac he even said it that he felt some type of way because he knew how his wife felt about tupac now how the hell you felt some type of way because he knew how his wife felt about Tupac. Now, how the hell you feel some type of way about somebody, but you don't got no chemistry?

Now, tell me that. And I ain't talking about the class that we took in high school. I'm talking about how can you say y'all had no chemistry, but every time your husband feels some type of way because of the way you spoke about it. Now, you got me questioning what I got going on. Excuse me. You got a secret. You got a secret. Is there anybody that's like, yo, Tupac?

Or it's just me? Huh? Okay. Oh, she said I'm her Tupac. You're her Tupac. She said I'm her Tupac. But listen, their dynamic is very weird. It's not... They operate at a two-part. She said, I'm a two-part. But listen, listen, their dynamic is very weird. It's not, they operate at a completely different level. You know, people get that kind of money, you get that kind of wealth, and you get bored.

And you do things differently than everybody else. So it's hard for everyone else to grasp and understand the dynamic that they have. And Hollywood is weird. I don't know how long you've been out there in LA, but Hollywood is different. Yeah, it is. Ocho, what did I tell you? I said, Ocho, I do all I do in private. You go on vacation in private.

You date in private. You have your finances. You do that in private. Because you know what I found out, Ocho? People will ruin beautiful things. If I tell you, I said, Ocho, I just saw the biggest lion in Africa. If I tell somebody,

somebody's going to go and try to kill him to have his hand. If I say I saw the biggest elephant in Tanzania or Kenya or, excuse me, Zimbabwe, they're going to try to do something. If I tell you something, somebody's going to go,

people ruin beautiful things. And that's why, well, you don't talk about this, you don't talk about that because y'all are ruining it. Because y'all don't like to see people happy. Because if you're not happy, you're like, hell, I don't want to be the only one that's miserable. Misery loves company. So you'll try to mess up something that you don't know anything.

You don't even know that person. But you don't want them to be happy because you mad or you sad or you miserable. I like that. I like that. That's good. I like, I like the points you made there, but I think that might be a problem where comes into play where it's, I'm trying to find you a woman, right? I'm trying to find you a significant other. Do you think women love to be loved out loud? Do you think women would agree, especially in this day and age, or someone that you would meet of quality that can turn your house into a home? Do you think they would enjoy being everything

private? It's more like you hide her. Think about it. Before social media, wasn't nobody say take no pictures? Wasn't nobody trying to take no pictures? We was together. We know we together. Are we together for us or are we together for everybody else to see?

Go ahead and talk. What are you doing? What are you doing this for? Are you trying to say, yeah, y'all didn't think I could get nobody. Y'all didn't think I could get nobody on Shannon Sharp's level. Or you didn't think Shannon Sharp could have anybody because he did this X, Y, and Z.

Why do you want it to be public? Who are you trying to impress? Ocho know we together. Sherelle know y'all together. Nobody else matters. Right. That's a good point. That's a good point. for the younger generation, the display of affection, the show of love, the PDA and, and,

and loving me out loud and doing those things and being able to display those affections over social media is at times warranted. I think that's something that some people enjoy and like, I guess. I don't know. I don't know. To each, to, to, to each his own, whatever. I mean, whatever makes, but like I said, you can't say something out loud. You can't show us because people are going to comment.

Right. Man, that's their, she made it public. Right. I didn't know they weren't, I didn't know they were, they were separated since 2016. She said that.

She keeps speaking about Tupac. So if she don't care about Will Smith, at some point in time, I had to. And I still, hey, I still, his movies. I bought so many of his records. One of the greatest ever. That's her disrespecting him. That's not, don't have anything to do with me because I commented on it.

Right. She is doing this. Do you think, again, do you think her angle is to purposely drive him away and get him to divorce her? I'm just asking. At this point in time, he knows about the entanglement that she had with her son's friend.

She knows an entanglement. In other words, she was having an affair with her son's friend. No! No! Oh, what you talking about? She know an entanglement. In other words, she was having an affair with her son's friend. No! Oh, what you talking about? You know, that's the term they use, entanglement. That's what you show?

Okay. Yeah, that's what they called it. That is what we called it. We called it something else. Oh, no. Well, maybe there was an agreement because now we talk about hollywood now you know hollywood move a little different now so you might might have been an agreement hey to each of to each his own i ain't got no problem with it whatever whatever in your bowels whatever was in your bowels rock with it that ain't got nothing to do with me but all i'm saying is that she's still, okay, we know about the

entanglement because she mentioned it. We know about the infatuation or the love with Tupac. She mentions it. Well, if she's mentioning this out loud, how many times has she said it in private to him? Well, maybe they have an understanding.

Maybe they have an understanding to keep the train rolling and whatever it is that he's trying to do. Yeah. Yeah. Ocho. Uh-huh. Norm. Norm is what the large majority of the population does.

Right, right, right. What's normal to you might not be normal to me. Yeah. And what's normal to me might be not normal to my producer. So what is normal? How do we define it? Because I'm sure a lot of things that I do, eating the same things over and over,

going to bed at the same time, getting up at the same time, is not normal to people. So I don't know. Maybe that is normal. See, maybe what they do, like you said, maybe sharing or the entanglement or the infatuation with other people, maybe that's their normal. Because what I do, because what's normal to you might not be normal to me.

Yeah. The funny thing about it, you could line up 100 people. You could line up 100 people and ask 100 people the same question on what they consider normal. And every answer will be different because everybody views on tradition and the social construct and what on the way we're supposed to abide by or just life in general or partners or whatever it may be. Everybody's difference. Everybody, especially behind closed doors. Yeah. in general or partners or whatever it may be, everybody differs. Especially behind closed doors. Because in public,

we all might act normal, but when we get home behind those closed doors, it's a different ballgame. Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, you know, you might walk around your house butt ball. That's normal to you

I'm not walking I bring my clothes in the shower I ain't walking nowhere butt bald I don't walk around my house barefoot a lot of people go outside barefooted they walk their house I ain't walking nowhere with my bare feet I walk to the bathroom

and back to my bed. But as far as like go downstairs and come to the kitchen to get stuff, I ain't walking without shoes on my feet. I ain't walking nowhere.

Listen, you know what the hard part is about this? What? The hard part is about it is is you having your core values on what you believe in

and finding somebody that you like that aligns with everything that you rocking with. that you're rocking with. That's the hard part. Yeah, it's hard because I'm old school. See, like going to the bathroom in front of a woman, I don't do that.

I don't pass gas. No, hell no. Oh, Shannon, no. That's the number one. Listen, let me tell you what my grandma told me now. Baby, the minute she can use the bathroom and leave the door open, that's the one. She can't do that. Yeah, that's the one. That ain't the one.

This one right here, I knew she was the one. When she fought in the front of me, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I broke up with a girl for doing that. Man, stop playing. You left a girl for that? I swear for God and two white men, I did.

Oh, boy, you a tough crowd, boy. You a tough crowd, boy. You a tough crowd. Come on, man. The bathroom right there. Five steps. You mean to tell me you got... No, no, I don't do that, Ocho. I can't do that. No, you can't do that. She got to get up and go out of the room

just to pass gas? Dude, that's disrespectful, man. Stop playing. Oh, you tripping. Baby, let that shit out. And listen, I graded. I graded, too. When she let one out, okay, that was about a four right there. That was about a four. That was a good one. Wait, so when she used the bathroom, she got to close the door, too?

She goes to a different area of the house. Don't nobody go to the bathroom. If we're both home, nobody goes to the bathroom, the master bathroom. Nobody. What?

Oh, man, come on. You tripping, man. You got to. Oh, Ocho. You running the prison. Oh, Ocho. Well, you running the prison now. Come on, man.

I would literally, I would drive back to Fox. Or I would go to the guest house. Or I would send her to the store. I was like, you know what? I need something from Whole Foods. I need something from Target. Yeah. She's like, oh, okay. I would go to the guest house or I would send it to the store. I was like, you know what? I need something from Whole Foods. I need something from Target. Yeah. She's like, oh, okay. I'll go get it. And that was my opportunity. To use the bathroom? Yep.

We got, we got to get you therapy, baby. We got to get you therapy. You can't, you can't do that. You can't, you can't, you can't, you can't live like that, baby. I love you. I love you to death, man. We got to sit down and we got to talk about that. A woman got to leave, a woman got to go to a separate part of the house just to use the bathroom. Number two? Yeah.

You and I, yeah. Nah, man. You tripping. Listen, do you understand? Let me tell you something. And close the door. I can't. And close the door.

If you go and pee, close the door. I don't want to hear it. Let me tell you something. Me and my baby, we have our own personal red table talks. I'm not talking about the ones like Jada. The best talks we have, the best conversations. I ain't even trying to be funny. I'm comfortable with mine. You feel me? If you got to use the bathroom, man, leave the door open because that's the perfect time. Oh, no. No, no. You're in. You're in. I'm not going to be in there with you, but that's the perfect time to create a conversation and have a little dialogue on important stuff, man. You tripping, man. Listen, I don't do no talking. I don't do

no talking. I ain't in there to talk. Come on, man. Hey, look, at the team facility, they got the stars next to each other and I got, bro, I ain't talking. Don't talk to me. You can't live like that,

man. I can't live like that. Nah, that live like that, man. I can't live like that. That's barbaric, man. You can't do that, man. We got the ball. We gonna work on that later. We gonna work on that. Oh, Joe. YouTube was asking the questions like, where do you get your news from? They said, you get your news from AOL.

Say it in dialogue. Dialogue. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. Man, I almost spit out my water, man. Hey, come on. But I commend you and Sherelle having that type

of relationship, but that's not the type of relationship for me. That's what you need. That's love, man. That's that real genuine I'm not hiding. Hide. And that's, man. Yeah, yeah. You can't live like that, man.

Listen, I'm almost about to cry for you, man. You can't do that, man. Ocho, I got you. You can't live like that, man. I go. No, no, man. You can't do that, man. That's too much. You can't live like that, man. No, no, no. I don't go to the bathroom. I'm talking about at 2 o'clock, 3 o'clock in the morning. For some reason, my stomach, I'm going to go downstairs.

That ain't healthy, baby. I'm telling you, as a friend of many years, as a friend of yours, that ain't healthy, uncle. You can't live like that, man. You know what? I don't walk around as a friend of many years, as a friend of yours, that ain't healthy, Uncle. And I don't walk around naked in front of women. What? Mm-mm. Ocho, you have to understand.

Is that trauma from your childhood? That something happened? No. Yeah, well, I grew up in a house full of women. And so it was me and my brother, my grandmother, my sister, and my aunts. And so once we got a certain age, my grandma said,

boy, we know we couldn't walk around bare chested. We couldn't walk around with just, just shorts or anything on. Okay. So that's just, and from that point on. Okay.

Okay. And I've, I've been stuck with you. Yeah. Okay. I got you. I got you. Now,

now I understand. Now I got it. I got it. And so now I just, I just can Yeah, yeah. Okay, I got you. I got you. Now I understand. Now I got it. I got it. And so now I just can't. I can't. It just feel like her eyes are piercing me. And so I just can't. So I got one more thing.

One more thing. So if you have a woman, right? And y'all together. So like me and the missus, we like to go to the nude beach. You feel me? And just walk to the nude beach. You want to do that?

I don't walk around naked in front of nobody in my own home. You think I'm going to go walk in front of 500 people? Man, you got to try that one time. We got to break you out of that. The things that bother you, you have to go out there and do it with intent to get over it. You got to

get over that. No. Not only am I going to find you a woman, I'm going to find you a woman, I'm going to send you all on a date to a nudist colony. I got to get you together, man. You will enjoy that. You'll enjoy that. Trust me. No, I'm good. Oh, Joe. You know what? Tyreek Hill says Chase Claypool is like a,

it's like a vending machine out there. What did that even mean? Oh, he looks like a vending machine. Oh, and I listen. What Tyreek and them have as a receiver squad is a bunch of short dudes that are small and basically a four by one team that can compete with anybody

in the world outside of Canada, USA and Jamaica. And that's what they got. Small. You know what's in vending machines, right? You got choices. So, you know, you got chips, you got candy, you got candy, you got soda,

you got different things. Right. I mean, Chase... Now I'm thinking he talking about the size. Chase Claypool, like six-fold, 230. Just, you know, I think that's what he meant.

But do you hear what Chase Claypool said? He said, when I lost my starting job, it played with me mentally. I told you. I told you. See, Ocho, see, you don't want to admit the fact. I told you that. I said, when they pulled him to the side. Right.

And DJ Morris said, Chase, no, we need better effort. What did I try to tell you, Ocho? Hey, two things going to happen when you have people tell you stuff like that. When you get criticism, whether it's in the locker room or whether it's at home. You get criticism from your girlfriend or from your wife. Or you get it from your teachers or from your counselor

or from your therapist. You're either going to fold or you're going to show up to the party. You got two types of people in this world. Either you're going to fold or you're going to show up to the party. And maybe for Chase, maybe getting out of Chicago is a great thing because now he had the chance at a fresh start. Getting out of Pittsburgh was a great thing too.

Come on. Why are we doing that? Let's stay in the present. Let's stay in the present. Since you love vending machines, have we ever gone to a vending machine, put your money in and you don't get what the hell you paid for? It be that type of vending machine,

because they paid him a lot of money, and he ain't been giving him what he owed him. Sometimes when you order something from the vending machine and they get stuck, you know what you got to do to it? You got to shake it a little bit. Shake it out of it. You got to shake it out of it. You got to shake it out of it, and that's what coming to the Dolphins is. Coming to the Dolphins, that's

the shake. They shaking it, man. He gonna give you what you want. He in the right place. I don't know if you know this, but they got a disclaimer on vending machines. Do not tilt over. Could have this. Could cause danger. Could cause death.

Have you seen any vending machines? Go look at the vending machines about rocking them. Right. He gonna be alright. Think about it. I may or may not have rocked a few in my time. And they dropped some chips. Yeah. One of the best things that happen with women is when they date somebody

and it's a toxic relationship, in the best times of their life and when they find somebody new, some of the best times in their life. No, no, no, no, no. Hell, you don't want to just risk it. She got on a toxic relationship because if she hurt, she going to hurt. You know, she bleeding. She going to bleed on you. Oh, he done healed up.

He done healed up. He done healed up. Yeah, you know, when you get to Miami, when you get to Miami, you land at Miami International Airport, well, you heal up quick with that weather. You heal up real quick. All you got to do, get you some dinner at Tussie's. Oh, you going to be all right?

I just need to chase that money. I mean, because Pittsburgh put money in there. Chicago put money in there. And they ain't getting nothing dropped. Listen, the chips were stuck in the vending machine. But listen, over there in Miami, you know what we do in Miami? Oh, we going to shake. Y'all going to shake it out of them?

Yeah, we going to shake it and get just what we do in Miami? Oh, we're going to shake. We're going to shake it and get just what we need up out of you, baby. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment and sports collide and hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets.

Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. DK Metcalf predicts rookie Devon Witherspoon going to get the better of your boy, Jamar Chase. That was spoon. They call him spoon. They say he's scooping receivers up. They say he's a tablespoon, too. Oh, you know that big spoon your mama and your grandma had that was on the back of the couch? That old big old wooden spoon.

That's what they call it. Yeah, they call it wooden spoon. Not today. Listen, Jamar Chase has the moniker of 7-Eleven for a reason. He had a game where they didn't get in the ball enough, and they lost that game. And he came back. He came back and showed them and said,

listen, I'm open. I'm always fucking open. 15 for 181. 15 for 181 and three TDs. Nigga, ain't nobody stopping that. Not even, man, listen. Ain't no witherspoon. Tablespoon. Teaspoon.

We do know Jamar Chase saw it because he retweeted DK's tweet. Do you think that provided bulletin board material? Listen, that is bulletin board material. Why would you want to entice? Why would you do it?

What would you send in DBs? Like, depending on the endorsements of the sponsors at the time, I would send them to the DBs as that was more sportsmanship and a challenge to you. You already know what time it is. Okay, that's what Spoon said. That's a challenge to me. I'm not sure. No, Spoon didn't

say it. DK said it. Now Spoon got to deal with the ramifications of the bullshit DK said. Now he got to deal with Chase. Then Spoon got to cash. Yeah, exactly. And the funny thing,

that bitch finna bounce. Oh, that check gonna bounce. And this is the thing. Devin Witherspoon is really good. Very good. Oh, he like that for real. Yeah, he's very good. And what we're not talking about is Tariq Woodland on the other side is really good very good oh he like that for real he's very good and what we

and what we're not talking about is Tariq Woolen on the other side is very good as well and you know both guys can run both can run but you know you know what the Seahawks gonna do

they ain't they not doubling or they finna play man no no they play straight man oh yeah they finna be right in your face P play Lee K cover one lurk cover three lurk

that's what he is he's a cover one yeah and that's the scary thing that's the scary thing. That's the scary thing. Because 7-11, he's always open. If you're coming off of 15 for 181 and three touchdown performance, boy, the

juices is already flowing. He had 190-something, didn't he? 181. 15, 181, and two TDs. Or is it 191? I think he had 190-something. Okay, okay. Either way, it's going to be gumbo, sir. It's going to be gumbo.

It's going to be straight gumbo. Louisiana-style gumbo. That man said he's going out there and he's getting one of them old chili cheese, dog. That's what he's coming out of Cincinnati to get. They say they do them things, but they're big in Cincinnati. That's what I heard. I don't know.

I never had one. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, we- Spoon said he already ordered a couple of them. He did? Yeah, he said he ordered a couple of them. Seahawk, Seahawk. You know what Seahawk tastes like?

Do you know what Seahawk tastes like? Seahawk tastes like chicken. You ain't never had no Seahawk before? Nah. Oh, yeah. You remember we was in the same division as Seattle before they realigned. So we played them twice a year. They gonna get realigned, though, right? They gonna get realigned at So we played them twice a year. Yeah, they gonna get realigned, all right?

They gonna get realigned at Paycourt Stadium. They gonna get realigned at Paycourt Stadium on Sunday. We played when it was in the old kingdom. That place used to get loud and you could start rocking. Who was the receivers there for the Seahawks when you played? Brian Blades. Yo!

Brian Blades. Hurricanes, Hurricane Blades. Yeah, yeah. They had Joy Galloway. Oh my goodness. That's who I, off the top of my head. Y'all stopped Galloway? Y'all stopped him?

Galloway could run. Oh yeah. He could run. Oh yeah. Man, that pigeon-toed rascal. I mean, when I first saw him, I didn't know where to shake his hand or throw bird seed. He was so pigeon-toed. I said, good lord of birds. But he could't know where to shake his hand or throw bird seed. He was so pigeon-toed. I said, good Lord, I'm bird seed. But he could flat out. Name him, and let me ask you this.

Other than my guy, CC Chris, I'm sorry, bro. Chris Carter is the only receiver that couldn't run 4-3 at Ohio State. Name another receiver that came from Ohio State that couldn't run 4-3. All of them. Wait, what about, um, um. All them guys? Olave, Wilson.

Michael Thomas was 4-3? Oh, no. Michael Thomas walking. Yeah. Michael Thomas and CeCe. But you know

what the Ohio State receivers? Man, they can go, boy. They can run. They can run. Every last one up. Every last one up.

If they got 10, eight of them run 4-3 and they got a 4-5, I think CeCe might have ran 4-5. But CeCe. If they got 10, eight of them run 4-3 and they got a 4-5, I think CeCe might have ran 4-5. But CeCe had the best hands out of all of them. Yeah, he did.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute now. Michael Thomas don't drop nothing either now. Don't do that. CeCe, CeCe. But you have to understand, CeCe, the glove,

the technology. Right, right, right, right. Can you imagine? It's different. It's different. CeCe, I'll tell you another guy that had hands with no technology.

Brandon Lloyd. Brandon Lloyd. Man, Brandon was crazy. When he was with Denver, when he was with the 49ers. Denver 49ers. Man, some of the craziest highlights I ever seen. Craziest highlights I ever seen. Brandon was nice, man.

Yeah. Yeah, Brandon was nice. Celebr yeah Brandon was nice celebrity Jeffrey is airing tonight what game do you think you could get the bag on get the bag oh yeah prices price is right I know the price of everything and listen you know how I am I'm financially costing and very conscious when it comes to shopping price is right I know the price of everything. And listen, you know how I am. I'm financially costed and very conscious

when it comes to shopping. Price is right. I know the price of everything. You know I knew how much them goddamn batteries was for that smoke detector when I stole that battery from the hotel. But here's the thing. What's working against you?

They're basing it on the prices in California. You don't know the prices in California. So you got to do 15, 20% markup on everything. 15, 20%. Hell yeah. You know what? Why are you even out there? Why are you even living out there?

My job out here. Me, I'm Jeopardy. Price is right. Because I've already been on Celebrity Jeopardy and won. So I already know what I can do. Yeah, I won. They gave you the answers though. They ain't giving no answers. They gave you the answers, though. They ain't give me no answers.

They gave you the answers. You had the script. I had no script. You had the script. You had the script. I like Jeopardy, but Price is Right, that's right up my alley. Price is Right is right up my alley.

Listen, I use coupons. I use apps. So I really know the price of everything. And the fact that it is in LA and having to mark something up 15% to 20%, it wouldn't be, it'd be easy for me. Right. People are freaking out about Kris Jenner getting Tristan Thompson,

the job at ESPN. Do, why are they surprised? Do they realize what Kris Jenner was able to do? Her daughter has something that would have doomed everybody else's career. And she turned into a billionaire. And she took her youngest daughter and turned her into a billionaire. And she took her other daughters and made them more and more famous and more wealthy than they could have ever dreamed of. Do they not know?

I don't think people know. I don't think people know. I don't think people understand. I don't think people understand the chess move or the mastermind of the empire that Kris Jenner has built with her daughters, with her family. Yes. I'm not sure if anything of that magnitude has ever, ever, ever been done before. But Kris Jenner could have opened up, what's the word I'm looking for? Where she can represent people you know and in some way

she could open up an agency man and represented people and found ways to navigate and get them to a to a plateau they've never even thought of before because she thinks different she thinks long term

she doesn't think short-term. And the way she was able to navigate through everything and understand and be strategic, everything is strategic that they do. Everything. Everything is a chess move, and there's a purpose and plan behind everything. I love what she was able to do.

You know what? You're right. She could have, but she said, I'm going to devote all my attention to my family. Right. This is how you know

that's a special woman. Given Tristan has two children from her daughter, Chloe. And we know about some of the indiscretions that he's done

while he was with Chloe. Right. And for that woman to say, I know that the pain and the hurt that you caused my daughter, but I care so much about my daughter, the father of my daughter's kids. I put all that ish to the side. Let's go get this paper. Everybody couldn't do that. I have a question. Is she really the sole reason

why he got a job at ESPN or is it the fact that he's a former basketball player with knowledge so he can be a part of ESPN and contribute to what they do when it comes to basketball? There's a lot of basketball players

with knowledge that can contribute. Yeah, but is that something that they want to do? Actually, everybody doesn't want to be an analyst or a commentator at espn look let's not minimize her she's a power broker no no no i know she's a moving shaker yeah yeah yeah i know i know she's extremely powerful i was just i was just saying i'm yeah i made the call to abc and disney she picked up the. She's one of these people, like, I don't know how well you know the agencies,

but a WME who reps me, a CAA, a UTA, when they pick up the phone and call, because here's the thing, they're not calling the agency back, they're calling who the agency represents back. So if the agency represents a Tom

Cruz, you don't think somebody gonna pick up that phone and answer? or Denzel Washington or rock. But I think rock is under rock has a little bit of his own thing. And so Chris Jenner is a power broker out here. Yeah. Oh yeah. When she,

when she called you answer, you answer because she make money. And like, what'd you say? It's dollars and cents. If it makes dollars, it make sense? Sense, yeah. Yeah, and she knows how to do that.

Can you imagine? Maybe we should talk to her about representing us. What you think? No, I'm good with my people. Okay, okay. I'm good. Once upon a time, I'll be, hey. Yeah.

Once upon a time, I mean, you can do that. Well, I'm good, too. I'm good, too. If'm good too I'm good too if you good I'm good I'm yeah I'm look man bro

loyalty is big to me yeah yeah I you know Marvin and my team that I have now yeah

I got listen I'm happy with my team Doug Ryan I love y'all I appreciate you I would just you know

just you know. My creative team, the guys that are around me. Everybody that's in place now, you're locked in. Ain't nobody else. I'm trying to create me a big...

I want a big team like you. I ain't got no big team. No, I don't have a big team. Ain't no unnecessary expense. I ain't got no big team. No, I don't have a big team. Ain't no unnecessary expense. I'm not one of these, oh, I got 12 employees. You just to say I got 12 employees. Hell no. I like what you just said.

I like what you just said. No unnecessary expenses. Everything is a purpose. Ash has a responsibility. CJ has a responsibility. CJ has a responsibility. Jordan has a responsibility. Shelly, who's my executive assistant, she has a responsibility. Marvin

does what he does. WME does what they do. Jamie does what he does. Jamie always... Hey, everybody has a role to play. Everybody has a lane. I like that. Hey, baby. Baby. Yeah, she done fell asleep on me, so she fired. She fired. I was going to make her

my executive assistant. Yeah, but she sleep. Baby. Baby. No, I mean, look, that's too much. I mean, if she got a full-time job, that's too much. Right. Shelly's full-time job is me. That's her full-time job is me. Well, look, that's too much. I mean, if she got a full-time job, that's too much. Right. Shelly's full-time job is me.

That's her full-time job is me. Well, technically, it kind of makes sense because if we're already together, so technically, you're already the job. I'm full-time anyway, so it just makes sense. But when she's showing a house where she's doing something, she can't stop and take a call. Oh, that's the boss woman, though. That's the boss woman, so she don't have to show the house. You have people that work for you that do that. She run doing something. She can't stop and take a call. Oh, that's the boss woman, though. That's the boss woman.

So she don't have to show the house. You know, you have people that work for you that do that. You know, she run the show. Oh, she running the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She running the show. See, I don't have email. So every call is filtered through Shelly.

Okay. So all the emails, if you will send something, you send it to Shelly. Shelly decipher it. Shelly says, okay, Shannon, this is what came in today. Shannon, here's your schedule. You got this at noon. You got this at three. Remember, you got this.

Okay, you got a conference call with Ash and the volume at this time. Jordan is coming over to shoot content today. Everything runs on a system. See, I like that. And that's exactly what it is right now. I like that. I just never gave her a title, but now you just threw out the big words

and I like the way the words sound. So I want to, baby. Hello? Man, she fired. She got one thing up in there saying, leave me alone. I ain't going to tell you the thing that she got up in there, but I could.

Oh, the one from church? The one from church? Oh, that choir, like you coming in late, like they can't see you? When you're coming in late, you got to walk out for a minute. but yeah oh i got the best i got the best assistant in the world right right okay i mean i'm gonna wake up i set the alarm she's gonna call just making sure you're up right the driver's the driver picking me up right just making sure you're in the car hey i'm making sure you arrive i've talked to ash i've

said ash knows that blah blah blah okay i've talked to Ash. I've said Ash knows that blah, blah, blah. Okay, I've talked to Jordan. I've talked to the people at La Portier. I've handled all of this. So I don't stress about anything because she's going to handle it. Okay. Ash. Okay.

When they call about, hey, Ash speaks on my behalf because she knows me so well. Now she's going to call and say, what do you think about that? She's going to say, that's exactly what I said. That's exactly what I said. So she won't be able to make any answers on your behalf. She can answer stuff on your behalf?

Oh, yeah. But she's still going to run it by me. She's still going to run it by me. Oh, okay, okay. She's still going to run it by me. Right. Oh, everything can run by me now. Ain't nothing moving. Yeah, okay, okay, okay. There are a lot of moving parts.

I'm stationary. And there's a lot of moving parts around me. Right. I like that. I like that. Baby. Baby. Hey, so what, what do you see the, the, the, uh, the Shador,

you know, where everybody should do it started by putting up his wrist. And then you saw, uh, uh, Rick Ross do it. You see DJ Callie do it. Reese Hall did it. Garrett Wilson, Devante Adams, Adams, Chet Holmgren. Bro. He said, hey. He said he can't keep doing it for free. So he waited on him to get to the biggest thing. Right, right, right, right. I like it.

I like it too. I like it. Every time something different always comes around and it catches on. At one point it was a gritty. At one point it was a gritty. You know, everybody was doingitty you know everybody was doing the gritty um right i like what he's doing the fact that not only is he doing it but he's playing well behind it so it's okay it's it's validating what he's doing obviously some people are going to be upset about it some people are going always going to find something wrong with everything no matter what but as long as he continues to play the way he's playing, I like it. I love it.

If you don't want him to do it, when T.O. was doing all his dances and his stuff in the end zone, I said, if you don't want T.O. to dance, keep my dance on. Stop him. Simple. So you don't want somebody to do something.

Hey, man, you're doing all this talking. Stop me from talking. If you beat me, I won't talk. You win. You got me. But when I see you next time, I got something for you. Oh, yeah. They will always have a problem with everything.

Anything that is not traditional doesn't conform to the way they think. He's bragging about money. Wait. Money? Bragging about money. Wait. Money? Bragging about money? You mean the same institutions that raking billions every year?

Child, please. Not us. We supposed to. See, we got to be humble. We got... We're not supposed to... Remember, Jack Johnson got in trouble because he flashed his opulence.

He had the big fancy car that could be convertible. He wore the big fur coats and the big hat. He had the big fancy car, the convertible. He wore the big fur coats and the big hats. He had the nice jewelry. Had one of them things of the opposite race up on his arm. That really pissed him off. They didn't like the convertible.

They didn't like the mint coat. But when he got something they wanted, they were like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on, brother. You speed. Listen, everybody, don't do that. Hold on, brother. Hold on, brother. Yeah. You speed. Listen, everybody wants you to be humble. They want you to be humble. They want you to be quiet.

Don't dim your light. Man, Jesus was walking around with 12 disciples. That's what I tried to see. That's what I tried to tell you. Don't be humble. Enjoy it. That's what I tried to tell you. Scream it from the mountaintop.

When he give you them blessings and you work hard for what you do, enjoy the fruits of your labor. What did God bless you with? The ability to run and to catch and hand eye coordination. And you've made millions and you want to drive a smart car

because you don't want people to think you thumbing your nose at your success in their face. Did you hear what I just said? God blessed me with a talent, a talent that I worked on and sharpened to get to a point where I did my entertainment and flamboyancy on the field. I don't need to do it

off. I don't need to do it off. Stay with me now. I don't need to do it off. Let me ask you a question. When you get that private jet and you load up your kids and you load up mama or, okay, let's just say yeah and you go spend fifty thousand dollars a night what's that i what wait a minute time out time out let's come back a little bit fifty thousand dollars a night that was that was that

was for a birthday that was a birthday that was that was for a memory that was a memory the reasons are unimportant so do you you think $50,000 know what it was used for? So if I use $50,000 to buy a house or I use $50,000 to buy a watch, $50,000 is gone. What I used it for is unimportant. It was used.

So you buy this, oh, I did that for a birthday, a very special occasion. It's still $50,000 a night that was out the window, right? Yeah. The window, right? Yeah. The window opened right back up, though. Oh, but you just said the other day,

you can't think about that. It don't work like that. Then I'm going to get the bag back. That's what you told me, Ocho. I'm going to get the bag back. Hey, that PJ coming, too. Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, Ross said anytime I need it man just hit him

the importance of having rich friends is just I'm thankful and I'm grateful for people like that for people like that that at the height of their success and are willing to help the small folk like me man Ross I know you're gonna see this Ross I love you I appreciate

you we've been rocking about 20 years, man. You got to stop being so cheap. Who? You. They say you squeeze a dollar so tight that Eagle be screaming on it. Every time. Every time.

That's the reason I done had money 30 years. And I'm going to stay like that. It's going to stay like that. It's all about balance. It's all about balance. I can't wait to see that old Brinks truck in that U-Haul parked at the cemetery. At the who? Oh, that's right.

They don't take them there. No, they don't. Oh, okay. My kids are going to have it. Are they going to be all right? I don't know if you know about that, but guess what? What happened? Steve and they got the flu and they asked me,

could I fill in for him? Whoa, whoa. Yeah, yeah. You remember life? With red clothes and red-ass clothes. Why you going all dressed up? He said, Mr. Wilkins driver got the flu, and they asked me to fill in for him.

Well, let me ask you something. You filling them for him, did you ask about your boy? You see what you need, Ocho? I just got this. I'm on the job one day. I'm on the job one day. Man, you done been on the job

two months. This is my first time being lead dog, Ocho. But if you lead dog, then you had me right behind you. But I had the best Ocho. Ocho, let me get in the house a little while and they don't go realize that I've been taking scraps. You know, that I've been giving

to you out the back. Listen, don't... Man, listen, man. I gotta get it good. Listen, I'm telling you, let me tell you something. The people over there, knew what they were doing that first take. Now, I'm talking about me and you, one, two, punch. That's. Let me tell you something. The people over there, people over there knew what they were doing at first take. Now, I'm talking about me and you,

one, two punch. That's special. That's something special. The people need that. The people need that. So, what's the one thing the guys on all first take, what they do?

Debate. They harsh critique players. Yeah, I can critique too. That's not what you're saying. I can debate with the best of them everything is not meant to be a debate sometimes it's about a discussion and having an open and honest conversation

about how somebody played are you willing to do that? I'm willing to do that whatever you want me to do boss after I see a couple of times you doing it on here then I'm going to go talk to the producers I do it every day on here

I do it every day on here. I do it every day. I do it every day. I do. I do, to an extent. Just check your boy tomorrow. ESPN, first tape. What time you on? I'm on 10 a.m. 10 a.m. Eastern. Hey, since I can't be on this,

send your boy a shout out, man. Send your boy a shout out. I was going to say, shout out to Glenville. We at the house. Savannah State. What up? Nah, talk about FAMU. I ain't going to no FAMU. I'm with

the Savannah State. Wish I would, Mike Mitchell. FAMU, I'm proud of all the HBCUs, but ain't nobody getting no love in front of SSU. What's wrong with you? That's fine. Just bring me on there. Bring me on there. I wear my FAMU suit. No, you ain't.

Bring me on there. No. Yeah, boy. Man, can do. If I get on ESPN just one time, I know my mom and my grandma going to be proud. Look at my baby. Look at your boy. Look at your boy. I done made it. Your boy on TV. Granny, your boy made it. Your boy on TV, Granny. Your baby on TV. Granny, your boy made it.

Your boy on TV, Granny. Your baby on TV. First take. I need you to help me, man. I don't need much. Just give me, I do two blocks. A block and a B block. I don't need much.

I don't need much. I'm just telling you. I don't need much. See what you're saying? You say you're going to give me crumbs. Give me crumbs. Give me the A and the B block. That's all I need much see what you're saying you say you're going to give me crumbs give me crumbs give me the A and the B block that's all I need see what you're saying

see I'm trying to help you now I try to say hey look here Ocho I'm going to get you a pair of these Air Force 1

no give me the Jordan 1 damn Ocho I'm getting you a pair of free shoes now you telling me you want the A and the B block you said yeah you did that see we ain't never satisfied I'm getting you a pair of free shoes. Now you telling me you want the A and the B block. You said, yeah, you did that. See, we ain't never satisfied.

I'm being nice. I'm being nice by not trying to do the whole show. Just give me a little appearance. Just give me a little feature. You see how you operate? I get you a job. You don't want to start mid-level. You want to be the CEO.

I said mid-level. A and B block, that's 10 minutes. You do realize A and the B start the CEO. I said mid-level. A and B block, that's 10 minutes. You do realize A and B start the show. Those are the most important blocks. That's why we put the most important block with that. That's why I need to be there. You making my point. You ain't happy with Air Force One.

You want the Freddy Krueger's. You want the lobsters. I like the Air Force Ones. Ain't nothing wrong with Air Force One, but if we going to do something, let's do it right. Let's get the people what they want.

Get the people what they want, man. So now you want me to take the most expensive shoe that the man going to miss. Uh-huh. The man going to miss like, hey, where are y'all? We have a size 11 Jordan.

Where is that shoe? Listen, understand what you get when you get me that Jordan 1. Understand what you get once I'm in front of that TV and that camera with that goddamn three-piece suit on with the look, with the handkerchief hanging out of it. Understand what you get with the glasses on. Me off the air?

That's what I get. Me off the air. So now, we got two brothers. We got two brothers that's not going to be on first take no more. Me. Well, listen, one thing about it is I ain't going to sink the ship.

I ain't going to sink the ship. We ain't going to be Jack and Rose. It's going to be enough room for me and you on that dough. So come on, just, just do, do, do what you need to do.

Get your boy on there now. Help your boy out. Sometimes in life, you know what we got to do? We got to pull each other up. We got to, we got to pull each other to get me where I need to do. Get your boy on there, man. Help your boy out. Sometimes in life, you know what we got to do? We got to pull each other up. We got to pull each other up. Get me where I need to get to, to reach the pinnacle of my success. Off the field, you got to put me in a position to win and succeed.

That's why I need you, brother. That's your purpose. That's your purpose. You do realize, like, when you're trying to save someone and they're in the ocean and they're drowning, you know you're supposed to come up from behind because the person is drowning. So he's going to push yourself. They're going to push themselves up. I don't like that analogy. I can swim. No, no, you can't. No, you can't. But anyway, let me get my foot in the door.

Let me get a couple of these hostess segments. You know, they say, hey, is there anybody you'd like to have on? I was like, yeah. You know what? Now that y'all mentioned it, it is. You see how I did that, Ocho? Yeah, I like that. I like that. But listen, listen. You sound like Ray right now

when he was out there bootlegging. You sound like Ray right now. You've been telling me when you get your foot in the door, your foot that's been in the door for two months. What else you waiting on? Ocho. It's the rest of your body in the door, man.

Help your boy out, man. Ocho, I got to get in, get settled. I got to know where all the stuff at. I got to know where all the stuff at. You know where the stuff at. You know what to do when that camera's on. When that camera's on, you know what to do.

When the camera's rolling, I know what to do. All I need is you to get me in the building. Get me in the building and I'll take care of the rest. Oh, Joe. See, that's the thing. There you go. See, I got you in the building and see what I suppose I'd have been doing is going straight there. Me, I done got you in the building and I got both of us caught.

I got both. I done got both of us caught. I got you. Listen, this is what I used to tell Carson Palmer before every game. This is what I used to tell my offensive coordinator before every game. Come hell or high water, no matter what happens, if you put me in position to succeed, I'm going to make you look good. I'm going to make you look good.

Trust me. Baby. This is Chad Ochocinco Johnson. I'm Shannon Sharp. And this is Nightcap. Make sure you check your boy out tomorrow on First Take, 10 a.m. Eastern. And we'll be back with you on Sunday night. Nightcap. Make sure you check your boy out tomorrow on First Take, 10 a.m. Eastern. And we'll be back with you on Sunday night. Nightcap, the show.

Holla at me. We out of here. If you need me, call me. My number's still the same. 786-235-5412. Holla at your boy. Therapist, counselor, matchmaker. No.

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