Nightcap - Nightcap: Lakers beat Nuggets, Vikings are making McCarthy QB1, & Cam Heyward recruiting pitch to Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Lakers beating the Jokic-less Nuggets, Vikings making McCarthy their starter, and some interesting comments coming out of Pittsburgh! We also look at Prime’s insane backyard & much more!08:10 - Lakers vs. Nuggets15:30 - Vikings moving forward with JJ McCarthy28:15 - Cam Heyward37:25 - Najee Harris46:13 - Bengals press conference56:35 - Lions propose new seeding59:30 - Colorado adds Byron Leftwich to coaching staff1:04:30 - Jalen Milroe run 4.37 at Pro Day1:08:00 - Q&Ayyyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Luka, it's his 230-point game. He had a 20-point quarter and a 20-point half. So he had it going early. Austin Reeves had it going early. Ocho, I mean, for the first quarter, they could not miss a three. They had 45 points

in the first quarter. Stepped off the gas a little bit in the second quarter. Let them get back into the ball game. Stepped on the gas again on the third quarter. Blew the game open. I think the Nuggets scored 31, 32 points in the fourth quarter, but it wasn't nearly enough.

Yoke, excuse me, Luka, 31 points, nine rebounds, 7 assists. His 230-point game, Austin Reeves had 22.8 assists. But I thought the Lakers played really well. They set the tempo early. They didn't play down to the level of competition, knowing two of their best players. Sometimes you get that, Ocho.

The Warriors made that mistake the other night. They looked at it like, oh, Murray not playing. Oh, Yolk not playing. And the next thing you know, you find yourself with an L hung on you. But watching the game, Ocho, what you thought about the Lakers and how they looked tonight? I mean, it was impressive. It was very impressive.

Not only did Luka come out and set the tone in the first quarter with 22 in the first quarter. Actually, Luka set the tone for the game. What he did in the first quarter, the game what he did in the first quarter coming out with 21 points in the first half in the first quarter and everybody played well most of the time what happens is

when you play a team that doesn't have a player like Murray playing and the other Jokic Jokic Jokic I don't know why I keep calling him other Jokic. What's his name? Joker? No, Lokic. Okay, Jokic. I don't know why I keep calling him Joker. Jokic playing. You play down to your competition.

Most of the time, you end up losing. Similar to how the Warriors did the other night. But obviously, the Lakers didn't do that. They did slow down at some point, but it wasn't enough for the Nuggets to get back in the game and they eventually ended up winning the game. So, I mean, it was a good game. Obviously, the superstars are out.

You would have liked to have seen Jokers playing, Ann Murray, LeBron healthy, Luka playing just to see a team at full strength to see what the game would have been like. Yeah, I thought the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots are playing down the game plan, I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers, I thought JJ had a good game plan, but when the shots are playing down the game plan, I thought they moved the ball early. I think sometimes the Lakers get

careless. They're tired. Look, you just have to accept Luka is going to try some things. I mean, he's going out of bounds and he tried to throw a pass behind his back. Turnover. That's what allowed the Nuggets to make this run. They started turning the ball over in the second quarter.

Going out of what? Going out of bounds and trying to throw the ball behind his back to a guy right there in front of the basket. I was like, Lord, have mercy, Luka. But that's Luka. You have to accept the good with the bad. Right. Because, listen.

That's his game. That's how he plays. And you have to be willing to roll with it. You got to think about it. When it comes to him, now you do some things you don't like. You got to accept the good with the bad. But there's more good than. When it comes to him, now you do some things you don't like. You got to accept the good with the bad, but there's more good than bad when it comes to him when he's playing. Yeah, for sure.

A.R., man, A.R.'s been great. I like this game, but you can tell, and you look at him from the time he got there to the way he is now, he's immensely better. You can tell he's a student of the game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell he put time in on his game. You can tell that it's important to him. And that's what I like to see.

Regardless of the sport you play, it needs to mean something to you. You've got to want to get better. You can't rest on your laurels. Yeah, he got a three-year contract, probably paying like $13, $14 million. He said, nah, I want one of them Big Daddies. I want one of them 200s. And he's going to get it. And he going to get it. And he would have earned it.

He would have earned it. And you see why the Lakers were so unwilling to part ways with him. Everybody in every trade always tried to include him. And a lot of trades broke down because the Lakers were unwilling to part ways with him. They saw the improvement. They saw the maturation. Getting better from the three. Getting better at finishing at the rim.

Niles handles. He's putting the ball on the floor. Got the nice snatch pull. He's really, he's turned himself into an all-star caliber player. And I understand that there are a lot of great guards. And, you know, you got to get back Steph. And you got Ja. And you got Shea Gilgis.

And you got Harden. You got some Kyrie. You got some really good guards in the Western Conference. Right. But, man, the way he's playing, he's an all-star caliber player. Yeah. And he can handle the ball. LeBron has trusted him for a very, very long time.

If you go back and look at that Memphis Grizzlies series, he actually won them a game. LeBron's like, nope, don't give the ball to me. You take it. Go win the game for us. And he's done that. So I just love the way he's improved, how he's gotten better. And this Laker team, I think if they get healthy,

I think they can be dangerous. I still think they're a big short. But, hey, we'll see what happens when the rubber needs to meet the road. Yeah, listen, you know the game of basketball very well. So does everybody else. Everyone else with the knowledge of the game of basketball has said the same thing about the Lakers.

They don't have a big. In order to compete, in order to go as far as you need to go, you're going to have to have a big. And they just don't have it. But we can see what they can do. We're going to see what they can do with that two-headed muscle. Once LeBron comes back, we'll see what happens. Well, because they're going to be small. Once Jackson Hayes goes out of the lineup, they're small.

I mean, Coloco, he's okay. A little small. Height, okay okay height's fine but he just don't have enough bricks in his back pocket and so

people can just uproot him and just move him off the spot yeah but you know I mean

there's going to be some times that probably LeBron's going to have to slide to the five and you know I mean

because really if you really think about it there's not a whole lot of guys that have you know Rudy Gobert is because really, if you really think about it, there's not a whole lot of guys that have, you know, Rudy Gobert is not going to cause you any damage. Basically, you know, they got Hardenstein, they got Chet Horgan.

But when you look at Memphis, Zach Eady, he's just a big body. He just sits, screams, and stuff like that. Yeah, taking up space. Dying to the basket. Yeah, yeah. Taking up space, yeah. So you look at the teams. Now, Sung-goon, Sung-goon now, he can be a problem for to the basket. Yeah, yeah. Take enough space. So you look at the teams. Now, Sung-goon, Sung-goon now, he can be a problem for the Rockets.

Yes, sir. Yeah, he's an all-star. He's an all-star for a reason. But like I said, I like the Lakers. LeBron gets healthy. Luka is Luka come playoff time. He has the third highest scoring. No, he has the second highest scoring average in playoff history.

With that being said, LeBron healthy. LeBron is a top five in playoff history as far as scoring. They can do some damage, but I just wish they had another big. I don't know why they signed Alex Lynn. Hey, Uncle, you ain't been too high on Brother Lynn, baby. What's wrong with Brother Lynn? He's probably about 35 days away from being the tallest coach in history.

That's his next profession. It ain't going to be in the NBA. It's going to be coaching basketball somewhere. Maybe high school. Oh, Joe, the Vikings are set to roll with J.J. McCarthy. Thank you. Not

pursue Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for J.J. McCarthy. Thank you. Do not pursue Aaron Rodgers. Thank you. The Vikings have rejected multiple trade calls for J.J. McCarthy, telling other teams they're moving forward with him as their quarterback. The team plans to add a veteran, but they're not pursuing Aaron Rodgers at this time. McCarthy now enters the offseason as QB1. That's a good thing.

That's a good thing. And listen, I don't like the way Aaron Rodgers is using the leverage, using his pass, his accolades, his resume, and what he's done in the past to hold teams steadily at hostage. Now, some of the reports might— They hold them hostage. Move on. They're allowing him.

Just like Green Bay allowed him to do all the things that he did, the Jets allowed—Green Bay allowed it, the Jets allowed it. Just move on. That's exactly what they should do. Now, this is what I like about Minnesota. The reports came out about Minnesota obviously being in the hunt for trading for him, and what they did right away, it ain't even been two days.

Oh, we're going to nix that real quick. We don't have time to play them games with you. So obviously you haven't learned your lesson with the last two places you've been to. Because now here you go to the other teams. You're not sure on what you want to do yet. Having them wait, using the leverage that you do have, the little bit of leverage you still have, to play games. I'm glad the Minnesota Vikings came out and said what they said. They're going forward with J.J. McCarthy because you drafted him for a reason.

And you understand what he can do especially with the supporting cast he has around him because you saw what Sam Darnold was able to do. He wasn't able to do it with the Jets, he wasn't able to do it with the Panthers but all of a sudden he comes to Minnesota and he has a career year and now it's time for J.J. McCarthy to step up and do the same damn thing

and that's what he's probably going to do because what he has around him is very, very special. Yeah, well you gotta find out if the guy can play or not, Ocho. I mean, you keep kicking the can down the road. Oh, yeah. But listen, even if he couldn't play, we didn't think Sam Donovan would play either when he was with the Jets.

We didn't think he could play when he was with the Panthers. But all of a sudden, magically, he turned into the goddamn Houdini over there in Minnesota. But we saw what he looked like the last two games of the season. Because, see, there's this thing called expectation. You tell me, because think about what you just said. You didn't think Sam Darnold was going to do that. Nobody thought Sam Darnold was going to do that until expectations came along.

And then expectations came along. Oh, we got to get the number one seed. And then what happened? Oh, we're in the playoffs. Then what happened? He turned back into Sam Darnold. You see, expectations is the number one killer of goals and dreams. Yeah.

Because the moment someone expects something of, see, that's the only way you can hurt me, Ocho. Hey, you got to. If I don't expect anything, if I'm in a relationship, and I'm just casually, I don't expect nothing. Hey, you do you, I'm going to do me. It's the moment we have expectations in each other that it bothers me, that it hurts me

if you do something that I don't agree with. See what I mean? So the Vikings started to have expectations. We started to have expectations for Sam Darnold. And you see what happened? Now, you was preaching a little too fast. Now, I'm not sure the people in the chat didn't catch that, but that was a moment.

That was a moment a lot of people might have missed because we're talking about football, but that's something that could apply to life that I think a lot of people missed, but I didn't miss it because as soon as I heard it, you know, I keep that thing on me. Yeah, you keep it on you? Expectation. Now, bring that to me again.

I got to write it down. Now, when it gets to the end of the year, what I'm going to do is I'm going to take all these quotes that I wrote down. Yeah. And I'm going to make a nightcap booklet called Unquote. So that people can apply it to life. Expectations. Just get it to them. Yeah.

Yeah. It's the number one killer of dreams and goals. Because here's the thing, Ocho. Sam Darnold, nobody because they're like, man, he was terrible with the Jets. Well, he was terrible with Carolina. Well, we didn't get an opportunity to see him really at San Fran. So everybody was expecting, remember the last two stops that they saw him, that he wasn't that good. Okay, so now he doesn't have any expectations.

The more you win, the more expectations come along with that. So now, the last couple of games of the season, Ocho, we got an opportunity to get the number one seed. Right. Boom. Oh, we're in the playoffs now. Don't matter, blah, blah, blah. Boom.

Yeah. And you know, that playoff atmosphere is different now. That's a whole different ballgame than playing in the regular season. Regular season, he looked phenomenal.

It's a different type of pressure, again, the one word, expectation, that comes with being the quarterback. Especially in that type of situation. So I kind of understand in the team you are playing or had to play,

ugh. Yeah, but that's what happens when you have expectations, Ocho, like I said. And I like to equate things to relationships because most of the people, especially in our chat, it's been a relationship. Can relate to it, yeah. It's the moment you have expectations. You see, when a couple's in marriage, there's an

expectation. You're going to be faithful, I'm going to be faithful. I'm going to protect you, you're going to protect me. Come on, man. I'm going to honor the vows that we stood before God and we swore to each other. Now, I have that

expectation. Hey, if you say, hey, what you doing tonight? I ain't going to be able to see you tonight. And everybody, there's no expectations. I have no obligation. You have no obligation to me. I see you when I see you. Holler when I holler.

And you know what I don't like about the analogy and explanation that you're giving right now? Is the marriage one normally doesn't work. But the one where there's no expectations, hell, you'd be friends, you'd be sneaky links, or whatever you want to call it, for years and years and years and years, all the way down the line, because there are no expectations. So there's no failure or reason for anything to ever end. But here's the sneaky part, Ocho, where they get you. You see, the number one cause that will cause a relationship to end is uncommunicated expectations. You see, Ocho, she expected you to get her flowers and you didn't get them.

Why didn't you tell me you wanted flowers? She expected you, Ocho, to plan this vacation. vacation right you didn't know she wanted to go on a vacation uncommunicated expectations I like that Ocho thought that you know what hey she gonna do this thing for father's day we're gonna do it up blah blah she didn't do it you see uncommunicated expectations but again yeah uncommunicated but what's the end part? Expectations. I like that. I haven't even heard that word before.

Not used in this context and actually used together. Uncommunicated expectations. I like that. That's new for me. She has an expectation, but she didn't communicate them with you. You have an expectation, but you didn't communicate them with her. So those uncommunicated expectations and what happens, a lot of times

people have what we call implosive personalities. They hold things, hold things, hold things. There's only so much you can hold before it explodes. The term, oh, you went postal. Yeah.

All right. Boom. And so now, instead of just saying, well, you know, Chad, I thought that we were going to do this. Right. No. One month go by.

Two months go by. Three months go by. Four months go by. And it's building. Wait, months? You don't know. It's not been communicated. So you don't know. It's building. It's building. It's building. Wait, months? You don't know. It's not been communicated. So you don't know.

It's building. It's building. It's building. Boom. Then it blows. Yeah. You've been with me all this time. You should have known.

You see? How many times have you heard that old joke? All the time. You know what I like. Yeah, all the time. All the time. Because you've been with him a certain amount. You've been with someone for a certain amount of time.

And you know women all the time. Oh, I know you real well. I know you real well. I know what you're going to say. You can say something, Monk. Yeah. He can finish the sentence for you. But all of a sudden, when it comes to certain stuff, oh, you didn't want to let me know.

I didn't know you wanted that. I didn't know you wanted. Oh, you can't read my mind? I threw you hints. I gave you a sign a few. I gave you a sign a few weeks ago. A sign? Yeah.

What? Yeah. Yeah. In the commercial. I mentioned it when it came on TV. Yeah. I missed the sign that God gave me too. Just say what you want.

You should have told her. She should have said, I missed the sign that God gave me. I should have left your ass alone about six months ago. I missed that sign. But that's the thing. I just think, you know, sometimes we take for granted and you've been in a relationship. Just tell me. Yeah.

I'm one of these guys, Ocho. Just tell me. Yeah. If you want to do something, tell me. I don't have time. I got too much ish on my plate to try to figure out what you want. You can just open your mouth and say, if you want to go here, say that. If you want to eat that, say that.

If you want this, say that. But the guy, me, you know what to talk about. You know what to talk about on them shows. Uh-oh. What the heck? What they got to do with this? What they got to do with you telling me what you would like to do. Mm-hmm.

And so I think the thing is for the Vikings, they have an expectation now. They see their offense. Yeah. They realize that, hey, Jeddah's going to be Jeddah. Hawkinson's been a Pro Bowl player. Addison, hey, the more opportunities we give him, the better he can be. Offensive line, maybe they can add a piece to the offensive line. But other than that, I think you draft the kid when you drafted him,

and now you keep kicking the can down the road. And he's like, hold on, what do I got to do? You took me, you told me I was the guy, and now I get hurt. Okay, I get that. I understand that. I got hurt. There's nothing I can do about that, Ocho. But then I come back, and y'all got another guy?

You're telling me I got to wait another year? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That would bother anybody, especially a quarterback that got drafted where he got drafted expected to start but due to injury he had a small setback and now you've done all the work you need to do during the season last year to get yourself back not only in playing shape physically and mentally but now you talk about bringing somebody else in another veteran presence and telling me I got to take a backseat again? Wait a minute. Wait a minute. What are we talking about here?

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on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, this is what Cam Hayward, the great defensive tackle for the Pittsburgh Steelers, was asked if he'll be doing any recruiting to help bring Rodgers to Pittsburgh. I ain't doing none of that darkness retreat. I don't need any of that crap. Either you want to be a Pittsburgh Steeler or you don't. That's simple.

That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be a part ofeler or you don't. That's simple. That's the pitch. If you want me to recruit, that's recruiting pitch Pittsburgh Steelers. If you want to be a part of it, so be it. If you don't, no skin off my back. Hey, there are certain teams, you look at the logo on the helmet, they don't need no help. They don't need no recruiting pitch.

The product sells itself. Again, I always use that. I always use that example of Blue Magic in the movie American Gangster with Denzel Washington. The product sells itself. The Steelers historic franchise, them stars on the side of the helmet, it sells itself.

The other franchise, things are bigger in Texas. The product sells itself. You don't need to do anything for it. You don't have to recruit nobody. You don't have to sell nobody nothing because it sells itself. You don't need to do anything for it. You don't have to recruit nobody. You don't have to sell nobody nothing because it sells itself. That wouldn't be a recruitment, Ocho.

That would be begging. And that's what he wants. Thank you. I like that. Because what did the Jets do? The Jets got on a private plane and flew to him. Yes, sir.

I mean, Ochoa, I don't know if you saw this, but I had Young Miami on the podcast. Hey, Ochoa, I saw you shooting, boy. Hey, listen, let me tell you something.

You were shooting 70% from the field that night, boy. Hey, no 70%. Hey, Ochoa, don't do that. I see you blushing, baby. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. I wasn't shooting.

Hey, nah. Yeah, you were shooting. I'm just having great conversations. That's all, Ochoa. Yeah, yeah. You I see you blushing, baby. Nah, nah, nah, nah. I wasn't shooting. Hey. Nah. Yeah, you were shooting. I'm just having great conversations. That's all, no joke. You know when you conversate, that's called shooting. That depends on what you say. It ain't what you say. It's how you say it.

It's all about your delivery, baby. You was on point. You was on point. But let them tell it. I was shooting that Cash, dog. I was shooting that Amber Rose. I was shooting that Young Miami. No, no, no, no, no.

I was shooting that Kiki. I was shooting that Megan. I was shooting that Megan. I was shooting that young Miami. I was shooting that Kiki. I was shooting that Megan. Can I have a conversation? This was a little different now. You didn't shoot that Cass doll. You didn't shoot at nobody else. The conversation and the energy and the aura and the chemistry in which you can't see. You can't see it because

you're actually in the room. See, I'm not in the room with you. I can see the heat coming off the couch. You hear me? I can see the connection and the room. See, I'm not in the room with you. Huh? I can see the heat coming off the couch. You hear me? I can see the connection in the chemistry. Now, I'm talking about the type of chemistry when you play Twister. That kind of chemistry, where they say red and you got the crossover. You hear me?

Yeah. I seen it. Now, you can't see it. So, it's my due diligence. I'm in the room. Listen, I know you're in the room. That's why you can't see it. That's why I'm trying to tell you what I saw. Huh? Your Wi-Fi was on point. I'm in the room. Listen, I know you're in the room. That's why you can't see that. So I'm trying to tell you what I saw. Huh? Your Wi-Fi was on point. I'm talking about every bar was there. It was there. It was a connection. There was chemistry. You can't see it.

So you do with that what you will. And what you make. I ain't doing nothing with it. I'm not doing anything with it. I'm 1,000. For me, I couldn't in good conscience. Right. It's almost, it would be almost like I'm a therapist and some lady comes and talk about

a problem and then I end up sleeping with her. Or if I'm a, I'm a lawyer and I have a client and I know she's, she's, uh, uh, she's vulnerable. Right. Right. Nah, I'm just having a conversation. I mean, I love the fact. Let me see. Let me see what you, I'm just having a conversation. I mean, I love the fact. Let me see.

Let me see what you, you know, it's the problem. It's the problem with, this is what happens when it comes to us. When it, when it comes to us, our people,

we overthink things. We overthink things and we try to analyze them and we put things in our head with a scenario like you just did. Now you just said a scenario, you gave a narrative that fit the way you thought this individual is based on the situation that you created now see god always has a plan for us and he puts people in our life in certain situations and you're missing your blessing that could be now young miami chose to come do club shea shea and sat down with you yes now that with you. Yes. I'm grateful for every guest.

Yeah. Now listen, that could have been a sign from God. You never know. Now, what I saw when I watched the interview, I say, but it's more than just a talk.

This is more than just a conversation. Now I can see the energy. I can see the aura. I can see, I can see the, the, the, the,

the chemistry on camera. Now you can't see it. And I'm telling you again, now listen to me when I talk to you, cause I wouldn't tell you and I wouldn't steal you wrong. Because this wheel, the wheel over here, Jesus got this one. Okay? I'm telling you.

I'm not telling you to make no moves. I'm just telling you. I can see it. And I'm not blind. Ocho. I know. I know we got people watching. You really don't want to say nothing.

No, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching. It's just like, you heard don't want to say nothing now. No, no, no, no, no. It's not that there's not people watching. It's just like, you heard what she said? Man, guys show, Ocho, guys showing up with Croc Birkins. Yeah. On the first date? Just started tonight now. You're talking about Birkins and G-Wagons. Now this is right up your alley. It's about what you were talking about. Ocho, Ocho, that's a build-up.

She said Birkins now is a starter pack. Right. I'm thinking LB. I'm thinking Gucci, YSL. I'm thinking Dior. Right. She said Birkins. Croc Birkins.

Right. That's a starter pack. Guys buying G. Man, come on, man. Y'all know me. First of all. You say you want him young, huh? Didn't I tell you?

Didn't I tell you you got to evolve? This is what you got to deal with when you want him young. Huh? Right. Not only that, there's certain other areas, Hunk, you're going to have to update your resume. Well, I'm going to have to go. I'm going to have to. Let me tell you what I'm going to have to do.

I'm going to have to start going to church and get me somebody with a hat. Sitting in the Deaconess corner. You got me feeling bad. I ain't got the bread like I can't, hey. Uh-uh. It ain't me. I tell you what. I tell you what. I tell you what. Now, if

you do me a solid, then you do me a favor. Young Miami, that's my sis now. You know, she from Miami. She from Dade County now. I know that she from Miami. Yes, yes. I'm just making sure you know. That's why I'm vouching for her. That's why I'm vouching for her sister where I am.

No, man, look. I know you're trying to keep it professional. No, but I like the fact that they come in and they open up and we have a conversation. Right. And we just be talking. I mean, look. Yeah. I mean, I had a great conversation because like I said, I had no,

I didn't ever think I would even meet any of these people. So for me, I'm like, like, man, I can't believe you sitting across from me. Right. That's how I look at it. I don't like, okay, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me try to throw a question in here and try to get sleek with it. Now I ain't trying to do that. You've got to see, you got to do that. You got to say the things you're saying right now. I'm saying the things I'm saying that you can't say that you might be thinking.

See, that's what me being your other half is supposed to do. I'm supposed to be able to see things that you can't see and then relate what I see that you should do, but you don't want to do it because you're keeping a certain level of professionalism, not even knowing the blessing that's in your face. At all times. Now, let me tell you what I'm going to do. Now, you talk about, you understand the prerequisites when it

comes to dealing with her. Now, if you want to lead up with one of them Kronbergens, I've seen your 5200 to speed up the process. No, send me that because that's what you owe me. Not because that's going to be a dialed paper on the damn bag. Send me that because that's what the hell

you owe me. Yeah, y'all hear this bag? This bag talking about, oh, if you going to get a Kronk Berkin, I'll send you $5,200 on it. How you going to send me money? How you going to talk about you going to send me something on it? Why you owe me that? Hey, hold on. Let me give you a prime example Before we move on to the next topic

Before we move on to the next topic Understand the professionalism In which you carry yourself The structure and discipline in everything that you do That's what I love about you that's why we work so well Because I'm the complete opposite Yeah I'm gonna give you a small example

Okay There was a movie that came out not too long ago when ah what's the lady's name jennifer as jennifer anderson was dating brad pitt they were a couple they were together and all of a sudden brad pitt mr. mrs. smith yeah brad pitt went off to do a movie with angelina jolie. Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Yes. Okay. You see where I'm going with this? So listen, it don't matter what you got going on in life. Sometimes God puts you in situations, in this case,

having to be close, shake, shake, with a sit down with Brother Shannon Sharp and Carisha in a situation, to me, it was, to me it was to me from the outside looking in

regardless of the professionalism that you're trying to instill and carry because you have to I saw a situation like that Brad Pitt

Angelina Jolie the chemistry it was just undeniable and that's what I could see from afar where I was at now you do with that again

now you do with that what you will and what you may. I'm just speaking my piece. And if I didn't tell you, as your other half, I wouldn't be your friend. But that's okay. We can go on to the next topic. Speaking of Pittsburgh,

Nigel Harris says there is a lack of leadership with the Steelers. We just didn't know anything on offense, really. We didn't have any identity. We had a young guy coming in at QB. I really didn't have nobody to almost learn from on the offensive side. You like that he's saying that, Ocho?

I mean, at the running back position and saying that you don't have anybody to learn at that specific position, I don't have anybody to learn, you know, at that specific position. I don't really like that. I personally don't because there's so many resources. Once you're in that atmosphere that you can learn from where it doesn't have to

actually be a person right there outside of your head coach teaching you because there's so much you can learn on your own. They have film, they have votes, they have, man, goo gods of footage and stuff you can learn. Right. You know? Yeah. And to say something like that with the tutelage that you're getting at the organization you're at, how could you even say something like that?

Look at all the bats that have come through there. Yeah, but the veteran leadership wasn bats that have come through there. Yeah, but they weren't there. The veteran leadership wasn't there when he got there. That's the thing that I'm very appreciative of. I had a guy, even though he was a year older than me,

Steve Atwater, on how to be professional. I had Dennis Smith, who had been there since 1981, who said, this is how you do things. This is how you be professional. You be punctual.

You be on time. You practice hard. I saw John. I saw all those guys, the veteran guys, and how they do things. Me, now Ocho, I got the younger guys coming in.

That's my job for Burns, Foots, Rod Smith, the other guys, TD, Chalk Eye, Howes. Now I go to Baltimore. Now the younger guys, some of the younger guys, the Rays, Todd Heath. That's what you do. I think that's what he's house now i go to baltimore now the younger guys some of the younger guys the rays and think todd he yeah that's what you do that's i think that's what he's talking about yeah i think now i don't want to put words in his mouth guys but i think that's what he's talking about like how to be

professional how to make sure i practice doing everything that i possibly can to make sure that i'm maximizing my time here. And I'm very grateful that I got to Denver. I had guys, look, there are guys that wanted to party. I know that's not why I was there. Maybe, Ocho, had I been a first or second round pick, maybe I wouldn't partake. Probably not because that's never been my MO.

But knowing that I'm on thin ice and I see Atwater and I see Dennis Smith and I see those other guys, John, and I see the way they're doing things, I say, you know what? Yeah. I need to be in that group. Listen, I understand it and I truly don't understand

where he's coming from in a sense because obviously you understand what it took you to get here, right? It's the NFL. Najee, Najee, you've been dreaming about this since you was a little shorty, since you was a little kid. This was a dream of mine.

You have finally reached that pinnacle of reaching what you've always dreamed of. Then you, not only that, you're part of a historic franchise. The Pittsburgh Steelers.

I'm not getting somewhere and worried about veteran leadership when i understand the work it took me to get here i'm already aligned with the end goal all my all my goals reset themselves once i make it i'm not worried about no veteran leadership i know what i need to do based on the goals that i set for myself, it don't matter who's in the room. It don't matter who was there before me. This shit, I need to get done.

And I got to focus. And everything I do has to align with my end goal, regardless of whether I have a veteran presence or not. At my specific position, I want to be one of the best to play this game ever. You talk about no veteran leadership, look at the players that came before you that played the exact position. The Jerome Bettises, the Willie Parkers. I mean, I'm sure you're going to... Yeah, but I need them there, though, Ocho.

See, you're talking about a pro. A pro is the occupation in which you do it. That's a professional. A pro is how you go about that. You see the difference between college and pros? What do they do? They get your ass up. They make sure you go to study hall. They make sure you do X, Y and Z. They make sure you in the weight room. Who does that when you go to the NFL? You. And it helps. It helps when you see somebody that that's a pro because once you get there, we're all professionals but to be a pro it's something to be said for me, not just

me. Now, hey, to each his own. But there's something to be said for me to have veterans. I remember Mark Jackson would take me up on his wing and say, hey, you know, I see you ran that route, but I'm not so sure how to run it like that because blah, blah, blah. X, Y, Z. I said, okay, I appreciate that, man. He pulled me

to the side. Hey, threaten that guy a little bit more. You got your head around a little too far. It's little stuff like that, Ocho. I mean, stuff that you can't see. Because you used to get, hey, Ocho, we used to use God-given ability getting open.

It take more than that in the NFL. Because all them jokers got God-given. Hey, God touched all them. Yeah. I got you. I understand it. I wish I could talk to Najee to get better context and get a little bit more in depth on what he means by it. And maybe I'm thinking a little different because of my approach.

I wouldn't worry about no better leadership. I understood, okay, I finally got here. I know what my goals are. I want to make sure everything I do are going to align with the angle to make sure I become, at some point, one of the best to ever play, not just for the Bengals,

but to play in the history of this game in general. I'm going to leave my imprint, whether people like me or not. Then I think about also, hell, for the people in the chat, no better leadership. Where did I stay the first two years in the NFL? Where I live at?

Yeah, and... I'm locked in. I don't care who's there. I know what I got to do. I know what it takes to make sure I'm able to be consistent. This sounds like a rookie. Yeah.

You know what? I might not have better impressions, but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do to make but I'm going to do the things I think I need to do to make sure I give them the best of me giving you the best of me

you know as a part of me I think I think 9G doesn't feel like the Steelers really appreciated him because a guy that's just barely rushing for a thousand yards is not going to get the appreciation like a Saquon, like a Derrick Henry, like these guys rushing for 1,450, 100 yards. He's never had less than 1,000 yards rushing, though, Joe.

But he's not spectacular. You don't look at him like, oh, my God. You don't think that when he gets the ball, see, at least like Saquon gets the ball, you think, man, he might hit his head on the goal pole. Or Derrick Henry going to end the game with 150, maybe 200 yards. That's not what you get from him. I thought he was a good back. Yeah.

I don't think he changes lives. No. He's not a guy that's going to change your life. For me. Now, in college, he was sensational. Yeah. He a bell cow. Three down back.

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Let's take a listen to what he had to say. If you were to leave, you would have probably been wide receiver one. When you see it put out there that you're the highest paid wide receiver two, how does that make you feel? 1A. You're saying it was put out by fixing you're the highest paid wide receiver two. How does that? 1A. You're saying what's put out there? Fixing it. 1A. Yes, sir.

You know, bro, I don't even look at it like that. You know what I mean? I kind of wish they wouldn't have put it out there like that. Because now that's why everybody's saying I'm the highest paid, too. Let's just say I'm at a place where they value me and they respect me and I'm a good player. Let's just say that.

Not the highest receiver, too, or anything like that. Let's just say he's another great receiver. Bengals receiver that puts in the work and got his head down and just grinds. I mean, I've been saying it for a very long time.

I've been saying it for a very, very long time. Every time I talk about the bangles duo, I say it all the time. And I've been saying it for a very long time. You and I even went back and forth about it, you know, continuously on here. I said,

he's a wide receiver one that just happens to be on the team with another number one. There are a few instances, a few other teams that also benefit from this situation. I'm not sure what the reporter is doing. And the reporter who understands the game of football

and has been able to watch Tee and Chase together should know that no better, that he's a one. If he were to leave there, he would have been paid as a number one because that's exactly what he is. It just so happens he have Tamar Chase on the other side of him. But anyway. Well, we look at, let me ask you a question.

Yeah. When Pastor T ain't lined up, who Pastor T ain't going to? He going to Chase or he going to T. Higgins? If he's following, he's going to Chase. Okay. Sauce Gardner, Stingley. If he's following, he's going to Chase. So why would they—

I understand what you're saying, right? Because that's the thing now, Ocho. Right. Hell, there used to be no QB1. Right. It was the starting quarterback. Right. It was no QB.

It was no wide receiver one. Right. It was wide receiver. It was Michael Irvin, Sterling Sharp. Right. Jared Rice. Uh-huh. Randy blah, blah, blah, Keough.

Okay. Now they got all these things, wide receiver one, wide receiver two. Hold on now. Hold on. Ain't no all now. There are only a few teams like that. The Eagles, that's wide receiver 1A and 1B. The Bengals, that's wide receiver 1A and 1B.

What they did over there with Kuba Kopp and Puka Nakua, that was wide receiver 1A and 1B. Now, what they will do is they will take some of your production, your opportunities away from you, and make it look like there's something wrong with you and make it look like wide receiver 2 when there's really nothing wrong with you if you understand the business

and how they work your ass up out of there. But this is why I look at it, Ocho. Talk to me. Why didn't they give... If Jalen Waddle was the equivalent of Tyreek, why didn't they give him the same type of money that he gave Tyreek? If Devontae Smith was the equivalent receiver,

so why did they give T. Higgins $40 million? You know you can't work like that now. Come on, don't do that. He's wide receiver one. Wide receiver one, get wide receiver one money. Right, yeah. Listen, we can argue to it. But listen, normally when we talk about wide receiver one

and we talk about wide receiver two, there is an enormous drop offoff in skill and talent. Enormous. Now you got two receivers that get it done totally, two totally different ways. Are you saying there's no drop-off? Hold on.

I want to make sure I'm... Yeah, there's a drop-off. I said enormous. No, no, no. Extravagant. Extravagant drop-off from your one and your two. There's a reason the person is a one,

and there's a reason the other person is a two. Now, you got two receivers. Let me finish. You got two receivers that are really, really good at what they do. High points, short, intermediate, long balls. Now, both of them do all of them really well. I think one of the few things that Chase might have on is that goddamn

run after the catch. My God. That's also because Chase, his background in playing running back when he was younger. That's why he looked like that. Every time he get the ball, he like a damn running back. He bouncing off people, playing ping pong. I mean,

listen, you touch me, I'm going down, you touch me, I'm going down. You touch me, I'm going down. I'm making a business decision. I get what you're saying. I'm glad he got paid. I think he earned it right. I mean, the way he played, he had been exemplary the whole while there. They made him play under the tag.

He played under the tag. He caught Nate, but he still had double-digit touchdown. He was going to be well over 1,000 yards. And so they compensated him. I love when teams reward their players for work put in. Now, Ocho, I've already paid you for what you've done. Now, for me to give you this money, they're not paying Chase for the Triple Crown because they paid him back. They're paying him for moving forward.

We believe you're going to put up numbers equivalent to that, if not better. I can't pay. I can't. How do I pay you? It wasn't like he didn't get a salary, Ocho. And now we got to make up for what we didn't give him. He got paid. Right. With that being said, I believe Chase,

they believe Chase, is going to put up numbers equivalent to, if not better than what he put up last year. So I'm going to pay you accordingly. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh... That was a good one. And he's earned it. Yeah. Absolutely. He's

earned it. I'm glad he didn't have to go. I'm glad he didn't have to go to get some, because so many times we see guys put, oh, put the work in, put the work in, and then they got to go somewhere else to get rewarded, to get the appreciation that I should have got from the club that drafted me. You thought enough of drafting me.

You know, that's what I tell people a lot of times, what I love about Dan Reeves, he was smart enough to draft me, but somehow forgot to cut me. The Bengals. Oh, you really loved him. You did your homework. You took him in the second round. But now he gives you all those great years, and you're going to let him move on?

Right. And you're going to let him, because he ain't in his prime yet. So now the next four years is really going to be his prime, and you're going to let somebody else reap he ain't in his prime yet. So now the next four years is really going to be, you know, his prime and you're going to let somebody else reap that benefit because you cheap. Yeah.

So I was glad they finally. You know what the funny thing, I think a lot of people haven't talked about, they really don't know, is the person that's pulling their strings behind closed doors, the person with the power,

the person who runs the show and is making the calls is really nine. Yeah, for sure. You know, a lot of people ain't talking about that. We talk about T going here, no matter what I said, no matter what people on ESPN, no matter what people have said on X or Twitter for that matter.

The person behind the closed doors who went up to management and probably said, listen, I don't know what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract or what you need to do, what you need to do with the numbers on my contract, or what you need to restructure. But Uno and five? I need that back.

Come hell or high water. If you understand Joe Burrow and how he conducts his business and the way he goes about it, that man Young Bull ain't playing. Not by them two. You know what I love, Ocho? The fact that he was outspoken about it. A lot of quarterbacks are like, yeah, we'd love to have him back,

but that's not my call. Right. Oh, no, no. Oh, it's definitely your call. He's like, they've earned a right. And he said the same thing about Trey Hendrickson. It seems like they're a little bit more open to trading Trey than potentially bringing him back.

But that's something we'll discuss at a later date and time. But he came on first take, and he was very, hey, I want them to pay Chase. Chase has earned that. I want them to pay T. He's a valuable piece to what we do, and I want him back. None of that, hey, yeah, we'd love to have him back, but, you know, I don't make that decision. I'm just a quarterback.

No. Mm-hmm. No. And so I love that part about him oh joe uh a key factor in the jamar chase t higgins negotiation with joe burrow's influence beyond the public comments burrow applied private pressure making it clear deals must get done for both if since it failed it could have gotten very very interesting yeah hey listen i i listen, I'm glad that we just brought that up, and I just said it ahead of time.

Obviously, I wouldn't have said it when all this stuff was going on, but if you understand, I've watched Joe now for a few years. I've seen him up in person. I've heard the stories about the way he conducts himself and goes on about his business and his approach to the game and how serious he takes it. In order to continue playing at an elite level you have to have elite talent around you and you understand that especially offensively in order to keep that going and continue to give us a chance offensively to get where we want to go we already know what

the end goal is every time you compete and you play on a Sunday. And in order to get there, especially San Francisco, I need my two. I need my uno. I need my five. And I don't know what we need to do. I don't know what we need to do upstairs, but we need to make it happen. Yeah. That's it. I think sometimes that quarterbacks be like,

I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me. And that's a cop-out, Ocho. It's a cop-out to say, well, I got my money to hell with the rest of this stuff. I ain't got nothing to do with me. And that's a cop-out on Joe. It's a cop-out to say, well, I don't get to make that decision. Yeah, I've heard that before. And you hear that a lot. I mean, you know, Joe making $55 million, like, hey, y'all fend for yourself.

But he knows a part of him getting that $55 million was one in five. It is. You said it right there. Now you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in that can't do a one in five. There it is. You said it right there. Now you come in there playing around and bring somebody else in that can't do a one in five. He'd understand. You're going to be upset. You're going to be mad. He's pretty much been throwing a

chase for what? Five years? Had him in college a year? Missed him? And then picked him right back up. So with that being said, I'm glad these guys got it done. Congratulations, guys. Well deserved. The Lions have proposed significant change to the NFL playoff seating

that will largely use regular season record as the guiding principle rather than division championships. Under the proposal, the division winner with the conference best record will still receive the number one overall seed. But after that, teams would be stacked by their records, regardless whether they won the division or received wildcard berths. That approach could significantly impact the NFC North, which fielded three playoff teams last season, the Lions 15-2, Vikings 14-3, Green Bay 11-6. The Lions received the number one seed, but the Vikings were seeded number five

and the Packers number seven. Based purely on the record, the Vikings would have been the number three seed. The Packers would have been the number five seed. Ocho, do you understand this is an anomaly season? Yeah. It doesn't happen like this. We've never seen a team, two teams in the same division, have this kind of record.

Yeah, and what are the chances of it happening again? What do you think? It's not likely. Right. It's not like maybe another decade, 20 years, 30 years. Yeah. Listen, one thing about it, boy, it was great to see. It was entertaining.

It was very entertaining for that NFC. But a chance of it actually happening again where you need to have this format even be put in place, it's not likely unless you're playing a video game. I hate the fact that we take an anomaly and then try to make wholesale changes. Right. Because you're trying to make a wholesale change. So what's the importance of winning your division? If there's no value, Ocho, I can't help it that you're in that division.

Right. So if I win my division, now you're going to punish me because I won my division with 10 wins and you happen to have 13 wins in another division that somebody won 15 games. Right. So why even have divisions? Let's just say, okay, y'all the

NFC, y'all the AFC, just play, and then whoever has the best record will stack it. You don't even need a division because now you're telling me divisions aren't important. So we're going to base it on record. The best overall record,

you get to buy. The next best record, you the two seed. Next best record, we don't need division. Stop trying to take isolated incident and make wholesale changes. Right.

Bro, now you're making a scene like, well, if we weren't the 5C, bro, you played bad. It's okay. That's just me, Ocho. Former Bucs offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich is joining Colorado's coaching staff. Coach Bryant introduced Leftwich to the team Wednesday.

The retired quarterback brings yet more pro experience to the Boulder, Colorado. The Buffs hired Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulkner in February to coach the running backs. Hall of Fame defensive tackle is a senior quality control analyst for the defensive side of the football as well. Worked with the D-line. I don't know what happened. I really don't know what happened in Tampa. Because he went from a guy that had an opportunity to get a head coaching job to being out of the league. Yeah.

Out of the league. Listen, I'm not going to go there. Byron Lefkowitz was a good quarterback during this time. What he was able to do in Tampa with Brady was phenomenal. Obviously, being able to coach one of the greatest of all time, if not the greatest. And he called plays. I thought they wanted guys that called plays.

Yeah, he was. Yeah. Yeah. deep race. And he called plays. I thought they wanted guys that called plays. Yeah, he was. But if you notice, every other quarter, every other offensive coordinator that has ever coached Tom Brady, what has he got in the NFL, Ocho? A head

coaching job. Charlie Weiss, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniel, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniel. Three play callers got jobs. One guy, Bill O'Brien, never won a Super Bowl with him. He lost. He lost.

This guy won a Super Bowl calling plays. But you know how they would look at it? They would look at it like, well, regardless of who he was calling plays. But you know how they would look at it? They would look at it like, well, regardless of who he was calling plays for, you're calling plays for Tom Brady. Was he not the quarterback for Charlie Rice? Was he not the quarterback for Bill O'Brien? Was he not the quarterback for Josh McDaniel? It got so bad, Josh McDaniel got three, got another job.

Hold on. He got the job. Hold on. Ocho, he got the job at Denver. We know what he did. We don't need to bring that up. Got the job at Indy and said, you know what, via fax. And said, nah, I ain't going to take the job.

I'm going to stay here. And then went and got another job. Right. But there's a difference. You understand what? You know what? I'm not making a show about this. I mean, the writing is on the wall. The proof is in the pudding. You can see it for

yourself. This ain't the first time this has happened. It's happened continuously over and over and over. I don't need to say it. Open your eyes. Okay. So. I'm happy for him, though. I'm happy for him. I'm happy for him getting the position

there. Marshall Falk is there. Obviously, Warren Sapp is there. The environment that Prime is constructing for the players and the young men that are there are obviously preparing them to be able to play at the level, at the next level, if they get a chance or opportunity to make it and have them, obviously, the two-legged players that played at the highest level,

some were immensely great, like Prime and Warren Sapp, and you have some that had good careers, you know, and your bribery leverages, and he can help the quarterbacks, being that not only did he play the position, but he also coached some at the best position, and also won a ring, if I'm not mistaken. Who, Byron? Yeah. But they lost that year with the Bucs. some at the best position, and also won a ring, if I'm not mistaken. Who? Byron?

Yeah. But they lost that year with the Bucs. No, he coached, what you call him? He coached Brady. Yeah, that's what I said. They beat the Chiefs in the Super Bowl. Yeah, you got a ring. Okay, yeah, I'm right. Yeah, he called a play.

I stand corrected, okay. No, no, no. Look, guys want to get pro ready. Quarterback coach, Pat Shermer is the OC. Marshall, running back. Yeah. Hall of Fame, SAP, Hall of Fame, D-line. He can get to the quarterback.

Hey, he put together a great staff. Guys that, if you have the ability. Now, just because you go to Colorado, if you ain't got the ability to play in the NFL, I don't give a damn who coach you. If you can do it or you can't. Now, they might help you with some technique and some little stuff, but you got to have the ability to go get it done. Yes, sir.

Yeah. Whose house? Prime's house. Prime shows off his backyard. Ocho, check this out. Let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see it.

What? Oh, that's the one in Texas, huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. the one in Texas, huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I be doing too much.

If it wasn't as late as it was, I would call him. I would call him tomorrow. Yeah. You do it too much. That's nice. Oh, that's nice. And I would tell him I would go fishing in one of the ponds before you realize I'm going to have the fish fried up on the bank.

Because he make you throw the fish back on you, I'm going to fry him up. He do? He make you put him back? Yeah. Yeah, he make you put him back. He'll let you keep him. That's a good one. That's funny.

At some point, the fish got to understand what's going on and stop biting on the goddamn line. Unfortunately, they're not going to be able to do that. Especially if you catch them while they're bedding. Oh, yeah. Because, hey, they're bedding. Hey, that's free food. Or sometimes they try to take it and get that out of their bed.

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Hey, I like it. You're putting him down, Ocho. Hey, you're putting him down, huh down one foot in front of the other I don't care nothing about that and for a quarterback I don't care nothing I saw the greatest quarterback currently run 5

2 5 uh huh yeah 5 2 5 it don't mean nothing but also being able to run 4 3 7 it means something especially in today's game with all the dual threat quarterbacks that we do have that are elite, a la Josh Allen, a la Lamar Jackson. Tell me the fastest quarterback that ever won a Super Bowl

and the fastest quarterback in the Hall of Fame. I'll wait. Go ahead. No, I mean, you're right about that. You're right about that. But I'm just telling you, I'm giving you a different perspective. I'm giving you a different perspective on how it's helped immensely being able to do two things and just not be one-dimensional. It's okay to be able to have a quarterback that can use his legs.

Look at the growth of Lamar Jackson. Look where he is now. Look how far he's come. It ain't even about running no more. I'm running only if I have to. Because I've become now, I'm a passer of the ball. You know? So, Brother Monroe, being able to run that fast is great.

It's a good thing. But have you seen what he could do with his arm? Not nearly consistent enough. I's a good thing. But have you seen what he could do with his arm? Not nearly consistent enough. I knew you. Yeah. Listen, at some point, at some point you will be. I just want you to tell me who the fastest guy to ever win the Super Bowl and the fastest guy in the Hall of Fame.

That's all I'm waiting for. There's a lot of fast ones in the Hall of Fame. You fast. Who? You and I. No, at quarterback. Quarterback? Mm-hmm.

Let me think. Hold on. Johnny United's in the Hall of Fame, ain't he? Yes. Yeah, Johnny ran 4-4. In the 20. That's not consistency.

I mean, that's great. At the end of the day, Ocho. Hey. Gotta throw it. Alright, Ocho. It's time for our last segment of the evening. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa. We getting off already?

Yeah. Sheldon Pope. Oh, no, time for Q&A. Come on, give us our graphics. We just got home. I done took a five-hour nap. I got energy, and you leaving. Sheldon Pope said, oh, you enjoy playing Risha Roulette.

I did. I did. See, see, see, see, see. I did. It's a good game. It's a good game. I can see how that game can get your ass in trouble. Yeah.

Especially you, a group of y'all around, you know, hey, Ocho, y'all, you go, you and your buddies, and y'all women in Vegas,

or y'all in Cancun or Jamaica. Uh-huh. Yeah. Some freaky ish about to happen. Dark Barnes says, uh, got a question for Ocho. In his opinion,

who was better being a receiver duo, Jamar and T or him and TJ? Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. And, and obviously we didn't throw the ball. We,

we, yeah, it's a good one. We didn't throw the ball. Yeah, I did throw the ball. Not like that. Man,

stop playing. Now, you know, we ain't throw the ball like that now. Well, you see what them boys doing today. They, they run a hundred plays and 98 of them throwing, you know, but listen, are ball like that, nah. You see what them boys doing today? They run 100 plays and 98 of them throwing.

You know? But listen, I love myself and TJ, man. I love us to death. You supposed to. Yeah, as much as I love Jamar and T and praise them like I'm a preacher, I will always take me and TJ over there, no matter what. And that's what I'll do, respect what them boys doing, and I'm going to continue to do for that franchise. But it'll always be me and TJ over there, no matter what. And that's what all due respect to what them boys doing and are going to continue to do

with that franchise. But it'll always be me and TJ, boy. Ain't nothing like that. Ain't nothing like that. And people wouldn't understand it, especially the younger generation, unless you were there. You had to be there and would have had to see it live and in person to understand.

Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said, speak of church, the way you were citing Job on first take was awesome. to understand. Dr. Frank L. Bellamy said, speak of church, oh, the way you were citing Job on first take was awesome. You sure you don't want to be a preacher? The pulpit would be rocking. Ocho can be your deacon.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Put me in the pulpit now. Yeah. Yeah, I, when I was uh, I, when I was a little boy, uh,

the pastor of the church told my grandmother, say, uh, Mary, that boy has a way with words. Um, he said, a lot of people can talk,

Mary. He said, but very few people can speak. That boy can speak. And, uh, I, you know, I can talk, Mary. He said, but very few people can speak. That boy can speak. And, uh, I, you know,

I'm saying, I'm a kid. I probably was like 10, 11, but, uh, uh, to like,

like there's nothing like hearing a great speaker to hear, uh, to go back and listen to Dr. Dr. King is here and speak to hear Churchill, to hear him speak, to hear JFK and to hear him speak and to Kashi coats, to hear him speak. There's some, there's some people that have a voice and cause they're in order to be a, uh, a great orator. You must have a cadence yeah there's a sequence that your voice can elevate and rise i mean rise and then fall if you hear if you hear dr king just listen for the cadence yeah in which he speaks that's everything you know you know who else you can hear it in recently in that cadence Obama if you listen to Obama

you can hear that cadence as well with him when he goes high and goes low and he's able to the ability to command the ear he got it it's a gift it's a gift Malcolm X

yeah It's a gift. Mm-hmm. Malcolm X. Yeah. A no-run 75. No jive. I'm alive. Legos are fine. J-213, hey, Uncle Nocho, who is one person, dead or alive,

you want to sit down and have a conversation with, excluding family. Oh, Frank Sinatra. Frank Sinatra. I mean, if you know me and my love for music, the arts and dance and theater and all the things that I like, Sinatra. For what he stood for, you know, in a time when you really shouldn't be standing for it. If you know what I mean, you know? Yeah.

And man, the opportunities that he gave people of color during his time, man, Sinatra. I would love and still to this day, I have an appreciation for him, his music and everything he's done. Not only as an artist, but away from, you know, music as well. Some of the things he fought for and the opportunities he gave others. Refusing to play in certain places unless you know who was also afforded the same opportunities

in those rooms. Oh, man. Sinatra. Now, there's so many other great ones. I'm just telling you about mine, you know, and then... Yeah, yeah. Oh, my goodness.

I mean, for me, probably Dr. King, Malcolm X. I've always been drawn to people that could speak. Great orators. And Prince.

Prince? Prince, yeah. If Reezy, who cares? One, two. If Joe gonna get hurt because the Bengals had to get P.E. teachers and Jim Rose for the O-line and the Chiefs. Winnie, who we got for our O-line again? P.E. teachers and gym bros.

Okie dokie. Do the Broncos have the most stacked roster in the AFC West now at the free agency? Who do you think Denver is going to want at pick 20? Well, you got your quarterback. Yeah. They're going to receive him. You think so? quarterback. Yeah. They're going receiver. You think so? Absolutely.

Absolutely. Okay. Okay. Absolutely. Absolutely. They're going to get them playmakers off that board, man. I can tell you that. Because I like Sutton.

Yeah, I like Sutton, too. I like Sutton, but they need another one. Maybe get one of them tight ends. Hmm. I like Sutton, but they need another. Maybe get one of them tight ends. Yeah. Got it? I mean, Omarion Hampton running back, North Carolina, is what Mark Draft say, because they let Javante Davis go. Williams, Javante Williams.

Williams, yeah. Another Carolina kid. Brody Burton, I'm saying this to Ocho, no licking, no sucking toes, no farting around me. Blake of the five. Jared Dyer Williams, hey, Uncle Ocho, my birthday was yesterday. I'm 45, but I don't look a day over 38. Jared Dyer Williams said, oh, my birthday was yesterday. I'm 45, but I don't look a day over 38.

Jared Dyer, thank you. Happy birthday, bro. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, boy. Happy birthday. But we in the same boat, too. So I don't look a day,

I don't look a day over 25. People tell me that all the time in person. Boy, you look so young, boy. What's your skincare routine? So I told him, I ain't really got none. I just eat right.

I don't know what this is. Save for tomorrow. Fran Brown makes his players save 40% of... Okay. I was going to say, what is this? Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, yes, I didn't even see that. Save for tomorrow. Guys, that concludes this. Oh, Joe, it's been a long day for you, okay. Okay. Oh, yes. I didn't even see that. It said save for tomorrow. Guys, that concludes this.

Hey, it's been a long day for you, boy. Yeah. Because I was in Savannah. Uh-huh. We just got back. Watch the game. I'm up on the plane again tomorrow morning. Car picking me up at 530.

Where you going? I'm headed to Charleston. Okay. Okay. What you doing? You got liquor signing? Yeah. I'll get back. I'll get back i'll get i'll

get back tomorrow night and uh i'll be better because i ain't got anything to do saturday i mean uh friday yeah so your boy be ready to go but i gotta get hey i gotta get at least three hours of sleep yeah well listen you uh now don't be surprised if i pop up on you at one of them signers man and i'll be in miami you ain't pop up on nothing. Well, I wasn't here. I wasn't here then. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, you know, your little tour, if I pop up, you know, in a whole La Portia outfit, like a costume.

Hey, I'm coming to Charleston. Hope they got some good breakfast. Hey, somebody leave me something in the chat. Tell me in Charleston where they got a good breakfast. Because I want some good old Southern style grits. I want some bacon. I want bacon crispy, scrambled eggs. You know, hey, just like that.

I mean, I like pancakes, but I ain't got to have them. Grits, eggs, sausage, or bacon. Let your boy know where I need to go. Mm-hmm. McDonald's? I ain't got no damn grits at no McDonald's. I ain't got no damn grits in no McDonald's. I ain't got no damn grits in no McDonald's. That concludes this episode of Nightcap brought to you by Boost Mobile.

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