Nightcap - Nightcap - Lakers loss to Bulls, Steph Curry's GOAT case, Ja Morant returns

Episode Date: December 21, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to the Chicago Bulls beating LeBron James and the Los Angeles Lakers, Joel Embiid dropping 51 points as the Philadelphia 76ers beat the Minnesota Timberwolves, and more from Wednesday’s NBA slate. Unc and Gil also break down Shaq's comments about Stephen Curry’s GOAT case after the Golden State Warriors beat the Boston Celtics on Tuesday, Ja Morant's electric return for the Memphis Grizzlies, what comes next in the Draymond Green saga, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:45 - 76ers beat Timberwolves17:55 - Bulls beat Lakers26:00 - Clippers beat Mavericks36:00 - Ja Morant returns46:40 - Shaq says Steph Curry belongs in GOAT convo01:05:00 - Draymond Green Saga continues01:16:10 Smush Parker says Kobe wouldn’t talk to him01:23:00 - Zion Williamson gets called out01:51:00 - Nightcap hits 500K #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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and b 51 points 12 rebounds 12th consecutive game with at least 30 points and 12 or plus or more boards 10 or plus more boards first time since someone has done that since kareem abdul-jabbar 7172 so that's 50 years ago. Tyrese Maxey also had 35 points. I'm looking at Joel Embiid. I think you're looking at Joel Embiid. Right now, if they voted for the MVP, I think he's winning that war unanimous. What'd you take away from the game and what'd you like about Embiid? Hands down.

I mean, he's playing... Listen, he's playing like they're trying to revoke his visa right now. Yeah, yeah. The last, what, 12-13 games, he's been averaging about 38 points a game. Because this is that level that

the super, superstars get to. I think we all questioned his MVP candidate last year. I think that's what's going on. I think he's real pissed off about that. Yes. I think that's what's going on. And I think he's real pissed off about that. And he's,

yes, he is. I think what he's done, what he's done thus far, he says, Oh, y'all gave me this because y'all didn't think Jokic was worthy of being a three-time MVP.

Cause no one had done that since Larry bird, 84, 85, 86. So I'm going to show you that last year wasn't, 86. So I'm going to show you that last year wasn't a mistake. So I'm going to come out. You like my numbers last year? You're going to love

these this year because I'm going to put it on you. And he's dominating. I mean, but it's so hard, Gil, when he's shooting 17, 18 free throws a game and he's making 16, 17 of those. It's hard to keep. He's going to get 25 if he only

shoots two free throws. Now you put them in the teens. How do you stop him from getting 50? And then you get Tyrese Maxey who's saying, you know what? Y'all didn't want to give me that old Max contract last summer, huh? Okay, I'm going to make you give it to me now. Oh yeah, I mean, you have a problem on your hand.

I mean, when you have a big guy that can shoot free throws, you get to go on your hand. You have a problem. I mean, when you have a big guy that can shoot free throws, you get to go to them at the end of the game. You don't necessarily need that guard anymore. Like, you know, with someone like Shaq, you know, you need a coach because they'll foul you and you couldn't make your free throws. But, you know, with

Embiid, he makes free throws. So the fact that you can go to him and he can be a go-to guy the last five minutes just makes it impossible for you to stop him individually and then when you add a dynamic guard like maxi who can get to wherever he needs to get to in fast spurts it makes them a real dynamic duel yeah but when you look at joel and bead he has no offensive weakness he can shoot the three he can put the ball on the floor he can finish obviously he can play with his back to the basket. And as you mentioned, if you file him, he's going to the free throw line and he's going to make somewhere between 85 and 90 percent of

those free throws. So you look up at the end of the night and it's not like he's shooting 30 shots. He's shooting 20, 25 shots a night and he's getting 40, 50 points and he's giving you the rebounds and he's giving you five or six assists. And so when you have a big man that can dominate eight, and he's not a slouch on the defensive end, that can play both ends of the court, and he can play a multitude of ways. He can play outside, and I love the fact that he's not selling, Gil,

because I thought a couple of years ago he settled too much. He got uncomfortable, like, man, I can shoot threes. I want to be Dirk. No, no, no, bro. You can shoot that shot, but why would you when you can go down in the box and get an end one? Which is the same thing at a higher percentage of you making the shot. But I think he's been phenomenal.

I want to know what you think about this. I think the best thing to happen was James Harden won it out because he gave Tyrese Maxey shots and it gave them an opportunity to see exactly what they had on their hands. We can say that because we get to see Maxey more and B probably

got in better condition. He's better equipped to handle the heavy load. You would have wanted to see what happened if James Harden stayed. And we get the James Harden today that's unselfish. I think he still had that selfishness in him where he was still mad that he had to really digress his game

to fill the lead. So now he's accepted that role. If he would have accepted it last year they would have been a lot better uh yeah the biggest regret philly's gonna always have is letting jimmy butler go if you ask jimmy butler that's been on a tear for the last three years with the mb this year or last year they they could have been champs do you think that would have been a better fit, Maxie, Jimmy Butler, Embiid, compared to Embiid, Harden, and Maxie? Or would you have liked to see Embiid, Harden, Butler? As long as you have Butler on the team, I like Butler with Maxie and Embiid.

I do too. Because, you know, with Butler, he holds everyone to a winning standard. And the Embiid we see today, we would have seen two years ago. Because he would have demanded it. And I think sometimes Joel Embiid loves that real challenge. And I think we need to give credit to Patrick Beverly. When Patrick Beverly started making him do line drills randomly, he's been averaging 38 since then. No one's talked about going after practice, running up and down, getting in extra shape,

getting in peak shape, doing the extra things to get to that extra level. And that's what Jimmy Butler brung out of him. So it's like we wish we was like, man, this would have been a great combo today. Do you believe Tyrese Maxey could have become what he is now with James Harden? No. Because I think he would have been still reluctant, still hesitant to really go out and try to be that real good second option.

Right. You know, it's that respect factor that sometimes as players we have. And, you know, Maxie, he's going to respect the guy he looked up to. Right. You know, you talk about the MVP, James, that James that went on a 30-point tear, that 40-point tear, something we haven't seen since Jordan. He would have deferred to them. So the fact that he's gone and he really gets to look around and say, I'm that dude now. I can shoot 25 shots. I can shoot 18 and 19 and don't have to look sideways and see a guy do this. Right.

Right. And when you look at it and you said something very interesting and I took note of this and I remember, you said James Harden had to give up and digress some of his game

in order to fit with Joel Embiid. It's almost like Kobe. Kobe ain't averaging 35 with Shaq. Kobe ain't getting 81 with Shaq. Kobe ain't getting 81 with Shaq. Kobe ain't scoring 63, ain't scoring 60 in three quarters with Shaq. And so he, I mean, he gave up a lot of his game

to fit under Shaq, even though he was tremendous. But we saw what Shaq left, although it took him a couple of years before they got the pieces around him for him to win. We saw what he was without Shaq. I believe he could have been that years before. I just don't know if he could do that with Shaq.

Because Shaq, you got to give Shaq the ball. You got to. And that was the biggest fight here in Los Angeles, right, Where Kobe felt that he turned into the guy at the end of the game. But as long as there's Shaquille O'Neal on the floor, that's who we have to go through. And I think when it was time for

Kobe to say, this is my city, as long as Shaq and Phil was there, it wasn't. And that's when he went and said, hey, it's either me or them. It's me or them. Because he wanted to show the world that this is who I am without him. I need to show y'all that I'm a demon.

And those two to three years he had without Shaq to show the world that 35, I'm unstoppable. That's what he needed to prove, that he's on that level of the Michael Jordans. And we saw it because when Shaq would miss games, we would see some of these virtuosos from Kobe. So it gave the world an opportunity, but then like, and I'm like, no, he can't be that with Shaq. Shaq is too commanding. He's too dominant.

He's too much of a force that demands the basketball. But for him to suppress, can you imagine what his numbers would have been? Now, I'm not saying he would have won titles, but I'm not so sure that he might have got, he'd have had a lot more points than what he got, what he had when he retired. Those facts.

I mean, by the time Kobe hit 21, he was already averaging 27 points a game. But that's Shaquille O'Neal in his prime, too. Absolutely. So if you take Shaq off them teams when Kobe was getting into his own early 2021

1980s, he would have Luka numbers. Yes. It would have been selfish basketball. He would have been trying to get MVP scoring titles. He would have probably had three or four of them. But by the time he got to it, he was already a winner. And he was like, all right, I got it out of my system. Now let's win a little.

Right. Right. Yeah, because at that point in time, okay, I got three titles. I need an MVP. I need a scoring title. OK, now we can have conversations about all this other stuff because I've been an all NBA defensive player. I've been an all NBA player. I've won all star games MVP. So now once he got those other things, now he started focusing again on winning a title, winning finals MVP to thrust him because his game, you know, you had to take note of his game because the footwork, the shot making, the ability to finish

at the rim, you follow him, he's going to the free throw line. He's going to make 85% of his shots. He was that spectacular. But once he got, okay, I want mvp i want a scoring title let me refocus that was the same thing that phil had to do with mike when he first got with mike mike yeah mike you can you can do all this you can get 60 and 50 average 50 but we can't win until you trust somebody that is the big that is the biggest that is the biggest thing in especially basketball, trusting. Now when you talk about trusting, understand that everything goes into it. How you carry

yourself, right? How you carry yourself on the bus, how you walk into the locker room, how you prepare, how you watch film. We watch it all. So if we don't like your process, if we don't like your process, if we don't like your habits,

right, if we're playing the Lakers and I got Shaq and Kobe, right, and you went to the club that night and you coming in and smelling like vodka and Hennessy and you, bro, I'm not getting you the ball. You ain't getting the ball.

No. That trust is everything Gil because deep down I need to know you put as much effort into this as I need because if I don't believe it's hard for me to trust you if I don't think you worked as hard as I did

and so that was the hardest thing for Kobe Kobe was like Kobe and the thing is we're that was the hardest thing for Kobe. Kobe was like, Kobe, and the thing is, we're going to talk about this a little later. Kobe was like, bro, why am I going to pass you bomb to ball?

You show up late, you leave early, you don't study, you hang out, and then you want me to pass you the ball. Nah, if you want it, you'll get a rebound and put it back.

And I'm going to be clapping for you to throw it back out to me and let me shoot another. Hey, that's, that was that whole selfish thing, right? Everyone's calling Kobe selfish, right? And he's calling everybody else selfish. You should be considered selfish if you didn't work out all day,

went to the club, and ask him for the ball. That's selfish, knowing that you're not even prepared to play this game today. Right. Yeah, you should have been selfish and told your friends, no,'t gonna be able to hang out with you today and you should have told you should have been selfish and said nah i'm gonna go get some extra shots in i'm gonna get some conditioning in that's what it requires to be great and there's a reason that's why if you notice average people hate people with greatness and great people hate people that's average. So guess what you need?

If you want to be average, average people get along just great. Great people get along just great. You notice that, Gil? That's how it is. That's why it's so hard to win as a team. Because everybody, even the highest dollar guy versus the lowest dollar guy, got to have the same goal in mind or it's not going to work. No, for serious. Because you can't understand the process, right?

Sometimes the superstar, he can't relate to everyone else, right? He can't relate because his brain is processing at a different frequency. So if he doesn't know how to relate it verbally they don't like him it's not like he's doing something wrong he just doesn't know how to verbalize and a lot of superstars don't know how to verbalize their greatness to everybody else to make them jump up another frequency right you know like with j like with Jordan, right? Right. He didn't, like, if you look at the doc, he didn't know how to talk to them.

No. Only Dennis and Scotty, right? And Scotty had to relay the message to the rest of them. That's why Phil was great, relaying the message. Like, he didn't have to, he didn't coach Jordan. He had to coach everyone else to deal with Jordan. How to accept Jordan. Because a lot of times, you're so great and everything's come so easy,

you wonder why they can't do it. Well, if they could do what you do, they would be great and you'd have a team full of great players. That's the hardest thing to get somebody great to understand in any field because they're looking, bro, why can't you get that? Why can't you do that? It's so easy. The test is only easy if you know the answers.

A given sport is only easy because you make it look easy. It's not easy. Joel Embiid is it's the NBA's longest streak. He had 12 consecutive games with at least 30 points and 10 or more rebounds since Kareem had the streak of 16 straight games

in 1971-1972. So that's 50 years what Joel Embiid is doing. So that just goes to show you, if you do something that only a handful of guys have ever been able to do for this length of time and it hadn't been done in 50 years, yeah, you should feel real proud of yourself.

Let's go on to the next game, Gil. Bulls beat the Lakers 124-108. The Bulls shoot 54.5%, so we'll go ahead and say 55% from the floor. Eight players scoring double figures. LeBron had 25, 10, and 9. AD, 19, and 14. The Lakers have dropped 4-5 since winning the in-season tournament.

What? What's going on? I know what's going on. They know their ass is about to be traded. That's what's going on. Them bags is packed. That's what's going on. Them bags is packed. That's what's going on, huh? Hey, when the rumble started, you start hearing the ministry, yeah, we about to make a trade for Zach Levine,

or we about to make a trade. You start losing your passion, you know, for playing hard. I look at D'Angelo Russell, right, before the in-season tournament, oh, he was D'Lo. Now he D'Angelo Russell right now. We don't need to get rid of you, my man.

I mean, the way he played tonight, I thought it was D'Angelo the singer. Brown Shade. Yeah, that, man. I'm like, come on, D-Lo, just hit one shot. I mean, he didn't get it going. Derek Fisher said he just thinks the tournament season for the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. I think there's a reason why they wait until the end of the year.

He thinks the tournament is the reason the Lakers taking their foot off the gas. I think there's a reason why you wait until the end of the year to celebrate a championship. So he feels like they exhale. They won the in-season tournament. They see the better. Like, no, bro, you got 55 games to play. What you mean you exhaling? That's that's that's easy to say.

But it's human nature, man. Right. We win the in-season tournament and we're still talking about trading. January 15th is the last day. We're still talking about trading. And when you're talking about Russell,

Rui, as a player, you start looking around like, man, we just popped champagne. We just put the goggles on. I just popped the champagne with y'all. And now y'all still talking about trading us, right?

It hurts inside. Like when trade deadline come around, oh, you can see it in people's faces when they're coming on the bus. It's hard to recover when your name is being thrown out trading because your players, your teammates are starting to look like, oh, you still here? I thought we got rid of you, my man. Wow. No, seriously.

But let me ask you quick. I think there should probably be three players that's untouchable. I think Austin Reed is an untouchable. Agree or disagree? Facts. Right now, he's, I mean, since the in-season tournament, the man's been on fire.

Been crazy. He's been crazy. He's been crazy. Now, why is he still, like, my thing is, why is he still coming off the bench? I'm sorry, but it's hard as a player to earn your game, earn your minutes, and you're still not allowing me to get my name called at the beginning of the game? I got family here, too.

I got Bill Horace. I'm living daddy, right? So let me ask you a question. So who do you start him in front of? Prince. Because you got D-Lo, Prince, and Cam Redding. Prince. I don't need him and Cam.

They both going to give me what? They both going to give me seven, nine. But since Prince has been playing well, Cam, you can bring it off the bench. You ain't earning your minutes. That hurts the locker room. That hurts the locker room where I'm

sitting here giving you 20 off the bench and you're starting to do giving you seven. Make sense. And the thing is that I understand that Cam is supposed to be this defensive stopper, but I don't see enough stops on that end because the guys are still getting their numbers

to warrant him playing. Now, if you don't give me seven and the guy's supposed to get 25 and you're holding them to 17, 18, okay. But if a guy's supposed to get 25 and you're holding them to 17 18 okay but if a guy's supposed to get 20 you know he's averaging 25 and he's getting 25 you'll say that that doesn't that doesn't you know your seven points don't justify you continuously get those type of minutes and that's how we judge it in the locker room that's how we judge it in the locker room like you're supposed to be a defensive stopper. If he scores his numbers or more and you're not offsetting it,

why are you on the court? Right. Correct. Your defense ain't worth you being on the court when I can offset him on my scoring. Yeah, I might not be able to stop water from running, but he scored 30. I got 22.

That's only an eight-point difference versus his 30. Right. Correct. That's only an eight-point difference versus his 30-06. Correct. That's 24. You're absolutely right. So let me ask you a question. So what do the Lakers need? How do they make this team better? If obviously LeBron, AD are really, really, really untouchable.

Austin Reeves is untouchable. What's the package that they could package and possibly get someone that can help them? Because clearly, I think they won't score. If you can, if Zach Levine is the one that's on the radar,

the perfect three would be Rui, D'Lo, and Prince. They money match up to $40 million, right? So you can make that without losing any draft picks. We have, I call him the YMCA player from Miami. He just came back today, I think.

Oh, Vince. Yeah, yeah, the YMCA player. We can start him and keep Austin as our sixth man, but Austin can play the point. I mean, today, the point guard ain't the point guard like that anymore.

We have pieces where we can give up and still be dynamic. Yeah, the old point guard, the Jason Kidd, the Magic Johnson, John Stockton. No, these guys are, mostly two guards masquerading as points. Did you like the lineup, how you started? Because

it looked like Chicago started big and he started small. I'm starting to question, I'm starting to question Bumpy a little bit. I'm not even going to lie, right? I'm sorry, question Bumpy a little bit. I'm not even going to lie. I'm sorry. Championship teams are huge. No matter what winning teams are doing during the regular season,

the teams that pull in them championships are tall. They're playing bully basketball. That small ball don't work like that, right? No. You see what's happening to the Warriors now. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think they just need to tweak some things over there. But, like, Denver was big when Golden State won.

And, I mean, KD, you know, 6'11". Right? He's big. Giannis and them were big. Right? The teams that win are tall teams. Right? Yeah, but they also had JaVale McGee. It's not like JaVale McGee is six foot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you remember when they first started, they had Festus Azealy. They had Andrew Bogan. Uh-huh. With the exception of the last time they won when they beat the Celtics, and they just had Kavon Looney. They've been a big team.

Just that small ball, I think they called it the Death Squad. Yeah, like Iggy at the four. People confuse that lineup with the championship lineup. Not understanding Iggy came off the bench, right? And they put that team in for spurts.

You know, you were dumb enough to change. To go small with them. Go small with them, yeah. Yeah. The Clippers beat the Mavs 120-111. Kawhi drops 30 points. James Harden had 17 points, 11 assists. Clippers are now on a nine-game winning streak

since James Harden got inserted into the starting lineup. Russ says, I understand the definition of true sacrifice. And Russ, you are absolutely right. Because I'm not so sure a whole lot of guys with your medals and medallions

and trophies and accolades was going to be as receptive as going to the bench and having their minutes reduced like they did as you have been man like we have to really sit back and and and think how we judge our athletes, right? Right. You know, because someone, how they play the game, Russ played with that chip on his shoulder, the triple-double. You know, the way he played, the way he carried himself, he became a villain to the point where they made the triple-double irrelevant because he was doing it. Yes.

He's hustling, getting rebounds, and we don't like it. That's the effort, right? That's the effort thing. To the point where we called him selfish. But when you listen to all the players that he played with, he was the most unselfish guy. I don't know if you ever heard that story about Pat Bev, right? You know him and Pat Bev was, yes. And Pat Bev's sister was trying to get in the game and she didn't have seats.

Pat Bev forgot to leave her seats. So Russell gave his enemy, he gave his enemy sister front row tickets. Gave us, hey, you can have my, my people's not coming. You can sit front row in my seats, right? So when Pat Bev was at the free throw line, Russell was like, hey, your sister's front row,

I gave her my seats. And Pat Bev was like, and then he had to process what he said. Like, wait, what? He looked over, seen his sister's front row, and then had to think about it again. That's Russell, right? what? He looked over, seen his sister's front row, and then had to think him after the game. That's Russell, right?

So what Russell did was, that's who he is, right? He wants to win at all costs. Just sometimes you just don't like the approach. And I think that when he went to LA, we're not going to talk bad on LeBron. AD just won a championship, so he was untouchable. So we're looking at the person that we can blame. But that was the only person who was holding the ship.

That year, he was the only person who played 75 games, and we blamed him for the downfall. And I think he just got a bad rap for himself. I agree. And, you know, look, the Laker fans are different because they have a level of expectation, Gil, and

they don't care what you've done elsewhere. He got those triple-doubles and he was an MVP at OKC, and he got triple-doubles in Washington, and he played really well alongside James Harden and when he didn't come and give them those

numbers for the Lakers they didn't care that he was homegrown and because you have to understand the level of greatness that they expect when you think of Lakers you see all those monuments out front you see all those

jersey numbers that's hanging up. That's what these fans expect. Homegrown or not. Homegrown or not. Did you see? You remember, and I know you remember this, Gil. When LeBron first got here and they tried to put up murals, they cover him up.

Nope, we're not doing that. Oh, yeah. Because he got those MVPs and he got those championships elsewhere. He got all these accolades elsewhere. Until he does something in the purple and gold, we're not going to accept him. And that is fact. Still, still, Laker fans is like, eh. We're on the fence still.

Because the thing is that they look at LeBron as an adversary to Kobe and anybody that could possibly threaten Kobe. That's a no go. Kobe. Kobe is God. To the Lakers. Nobody, not Magic, not Kareem, not Shaq, not Will, not Mike, not not not anybody. That Elgin Baylor, not J.R.S., Kareem. Nobody is on the level of Kobe in a Laker uniform because they saw a 17-year-old boy come here, mature, grow. And they saw every step of the way. Nobody is going to replace Kobe. It ain't going to happen.

He was the, he was the American dream, right? When we think American dream, we think of our, our, the movies we love, right?

We have the guy start off as a hero, gets dropped down from that hero stature and then build himself back to that hero stature, right? That's Kobe. That that hero stature, right? That's Kobe. That's what Kobe did, right? Right. No other star did that.

Jordan was Jordan. Magic was magic. They didn't go here, fall here, and say, ah, I'm going back to the mountain. And that's why Laker fans would never say Kobe is not the greatest Laker ever. He did something that we can identify with. Right. Because you know what?

He's human. He's human. And I think everybody likes like, man, there's frailty. There's human frailties. And when we see our superstars, and sometimes it's almost like, you know, you go to the top and then you fall down, and then we're going to do everything we can to push you back up because we don't believe you should have failed anyway.

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to Ty lue i saw ty lue the other day and um had a good conversation with him and he's like yeah we we figuring this thing out we go we're gonna be a tough out now with it hey so i had a great conversation with him but when i look at the mavericks how far can they realistically go Not far. Not far. Man, Luka's good. Luka's good. He's never had an actual contending team, but it makes

it look like they got something going on. His team has been some trash, but his dominance individually has made people really think Mavs is a playoff team. They got a chance. They got a chance, right? He's been doing a number on the Clippers.

So I know the Clippers is like, whoa, finally. Yeah, he didn't get 40, 17 in the next playoff. We finally got a team that we can just beat Luka. So the fact that, you know, the Clippers did win. You know what? I wasn't going to call them the Flippers, but I think they've earned their name a little bit. I think they earned a little clip in it.

I've been impressed. A little clip in it. Like, you know, Darryl got a – I mean, I don't think – I think Clipper Darryl need to stay away because – Yeah, yeah. Yeah, as long as he keep – him and Marcellus Wiley, as long as they stop talking, the Clippers do very well. Y'all bad luck. Leave them alone.

With Kyrie out, they have no chance, but with Kyrie in, they still don't have enough pieces. I don't believe so either. But give the Clippers. And it seems like it's a different guy every night. Tonight, Kawhi had it going.

I mean, Eurostep is spinning baseline, dunking. The other night, it was James Harden. We see Paul George hit the game winner. And seemingly, it's a different guy every night. Norman Powell has been sensational over the last six, seven games. We know Terrence Mann is going to be all hustle. He can knock down some big shots. Russell is going to come in and give you energy.

Even Amir Coffey came in and hit some big shots. Russ is going to come in and give you energy. Even Amir Coffey came in and hit some big shots tonight. Zubaz didn't finish the game. He really rarely does, but you know what he is. He's going to hustle for you, get you some putbacks, get you some offensive rebounds. Yeah, they look good. They're not big, but they look good. And that's what you need from a superstar team like that, right,

where any given night one of us can explode. Yes. You know, and you know, when we're all hitting, we're untouchable. Unbeatable. Yep. If three of us is on, we're still unbeatable, right? You know, two, we can still manage it out. Maybe a bench player's coming, but we have enough talent on here.

As long as we're playing the right type of basketball, we should be fine. The most impressive thing? Kawhi Leonard hadn't missed a game. Facts. That's the most impressive thing. Facts.

Facts, right? That's the part is, and we ain't even giving this flowers for it. Hey, I just had to throw that in. That was like, hey, Kawhi ain't Mr. Gay

because you know, normally this time, you done got about seven, eight of them things under the belt. Hey, listen,

Kawhi saved somebody. Kawhi was saving Paul George, but you know, Russ is going to play regardless. James Harden normally plays. The young guys are going to play because they don't know any better. They just happy. But you know,

Kawhi like to save some of his games for the trip home. You know, March, April, Kawhi say, I need a couple of games. Yeah, I'm good to go. But they've been playing well. I've been very impressed with what I saw. John Morant last night scores 34 in his return. He's the game winner.

T Morant was on a radio station tonight and saying, my son's job is to try to win championship for the Memphis Grizzlies. Face of the league, that comes from other people's opinion. Second, there have been a lot of faces of the league that have done way worse things than my son. So while my son is under the guillotine again, you cannot

do this to me. You cannot double stand to me and talk about the face of the league. T, does he understand? And I think he's trying to make reference to the guy that we were just talking about here in LA for what transpired to him. I think it was 2003. Does he know that we're in a different time now, 2003 and 2023? There's this thing called the Me Too movement.

We just saw Jonathan Major basically lose his career over a situation. I mean, T, what are we missing? Does he not understand that the NBA is a private business? They set the rules. They said your son's behavior, although he broke no law, but he broke the NBA's law because they

get to sit it because they're a private business. Do you understand? Private business can say no trespassing and you can't go there. I don't get what T is missing. Maybe I'm missing something. Maybe I'm a little older than you, Gil. So maybe you can help me understand what I'm missing. okay so we have josh giddy right yes the nba is doing exactly what the nba is supposed to do wait till there's a guilty verdict before

you penalize right that's the american way what innocent until proven guilty right correct there's a few people that's been penalized before being proven guilty. I was one of them. Right. I was one. Ja was one. The worst thing you ever want in a suspension is detrimental to the team because that can be one game or 82. There's no time capsule on this thing. Right. OK. In a sense, Ja would rather have had a gun suspension, because that's only one of the three, five, seven games, right? You don't want

to be suspended for your behavior, because that can mean anything, right? That's just get you off the court, right? It's just, it's made up at the point, right? So, he would have rather said, hey, I had a gun, give me one or three games, because that's your gun law. one or three games because that's your football.

One or three games. Most of them, that was somebody shooting it. Other than that, the behavior thing becomes this imaginary thing. So it was unfair under the NBA rule because the NBA rule they're using, they're just making it up in real time, right? But what he doesn't understand is that's how good your son is, where he's under the guillotine. If he wasn't part of the NBA's future, they wouldn't give two shits about that man. They wouldn't care. They wouldn't have put his game on TNT.

They wouldn't have done none of this. First game back. Yeah, but because who he is and how he plays, he's under a microscope that he cannot do the things he's doing. What about the thing as a repeat offender, where he went before he, he, T, his son, Ja, and their team, went before the commissioner and said, we come in here in the humblest way we know how.

We at the mercy of the NBA. And I promise you, my son and he promised that I'll never put myself in this position again. And guess what? He goes and goes through the drive-through rehab and he stayed 24 hours. And the next thing you know, two months later, he right back on IG waving that thing. So what about that, Gil? Okay. The first time, I get it. We all make mistakes. And I'm a firm believer

the biggest, the way you can change behavior is the biggest, is the best apology. So you said you ain't got to worry about me, Commissioner. I'm done with that. And two months later, what am I supposed to do with that Gil the same

exact thing they did because because I did it at 28 right which makes me the idiot right I know better. Right.

Being Superman. Right. You got the world at your hands. You have Superman power. You when you walk in places, you are John Moran. When you walk in buildings, shit gets shut down. When you go to a restaurant, they're paying for it. With all the money in the world, the behavior he's doing is just immature. Because that's all he knows.

Right? It's what he knows. You got a guy who's a kid. When we say kid, we're saying he's just out of college with all the money in the world. Think of you as senior in college, y'all doing drinking parties

and doing all that, right? It's a different, now let me give you 200, 300 million. You can buy everything. You will have this sense of I'm untouchable, right? And we all fall through it. A lot of us fell through it.

He's going to go through it some more. Other players are going to go. You feel you're untouchable. And what I tell people, money doesn't change you. It makes you more than you already are. If you're childish, that means you're just money. You're going to buy childish things. You're going to do even more outlandish, childish things.

But give me. So with this. So let me ask you a question, because it doesn't look like the the family of the kids, the family of the young lady with the Josh Giddey situation here. It doesn't look like they're cooperating, but they have hired an attorney. And so it looks like a settlement is going to happen. What do you believe the NBA will do or what do you think they should do? OK, so the fact that from what we've heard, this has been a year ago. Right. Right. Everyone's been aware for a year. The problem is, what does anyone have, right?

Besides a picture and words, right? Right. That's all we know now that this is a picture of them. Right. And someone wrote their own title on it, right? At this point, that's all we know. So if there's a settlement that happens, we will never know about it. Correct.

Right? So the NBA would not be able to do anything anyway, or he can have a lawsuit against them. Right. That's what people don't understand, because what ends up happening is if you suspend this guy, that means you have demonized him and made him guilty without any evidence. So if there's never no case and you done suspended this man without pay, what he does now is he sues for everything he's lost and future earnings. Oh, hey, I could have been an all-star. I could have been the future.

I could have been on this. And you took- You ruined my brand. You ruined my brand. And that's why the NBA doesn't do that. And his behavior right now, they can't get him for detrimental to the team. Yeah. Because that's the only

thing they can suspend him for is detrimental to the team to get him out of there. Right. And then, you know, Ja said he kept receipts. Ja, I can see. I don't, and I could be wrong, but when I was asked on the old show, coming out, who would I take?

Jha or Zion? I was always in Jha's corner because I thought Zion was too heavy and I thought he was going to have a short career because of injuries. So I say I got Jha. So I've been a Jha supporter of his basketball play. I thought some of the things that he'd done off the court, I thought was immature and warranted criticism. But for him to say he kept receipts,

who had, I'm trying to figure out who in this space, Gil, be it podcast, social media, I'm talking about that do what we do, or that's on a platform that has ever said had criticized Jaws game on the court. Because normally when you keep receipts, Gil,

I said something negative about you, Gil. I said, I don't believe that you can do what you, that you said you can do, Gil. That's, you keeping receipts, Gil, I said something negative about you, Gil. I said I don't believe that you can do what you said you can do, Gil. You keep a receipt for that. You keep a receipt because of your behavior off the court? It's fuel. It's a thing that we use to get us up for games. It ain't a real thing unless you got a draft and people got in front of you in a draft.

Other than that, you can say, hey, Ja had a bad game, and I'm going to use that as fuel. It's just the way. I like that he has this, because you know what time he's going to be on. You know, you got to figure out ways to get yourself up for games

when you don't have it. And most of the guys, they create enemies. Okay. They pretend they hurt. They create demons, huh? Yeah, we create enemies. You said, what? I'm about to show you. You started this TNT game. You pretend.

Reggie Miller, you said, what? All right, I'm about to show you. And then we look at that. That's just something we do just to keep our game at a certain level. He don't have no list. His list,

his list really is those that he cannot make that all NBA team. So anybody he thinks is capable of making it, oh, he about to go ham on them. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because they cost him, what, another $30, $40 million?

By keeping him off one of those three all NBA teams because now he really gets that max contract because he's made an all NBA team, first, second, or third team, within a year or two of signing that contract. Get him at a discounted rate? Discount, discount. Shaq calls the stir.

He says Steph Curry deserves consideration as the NBA's goal. I'm wondering if it's time, Shaq, this is Shaq, and I quote, I'm wondering if it's time to start putting Steph Curry as the best player of all time. Kenny, you put him over you? Shaq, yes.

Steph has four championships. He's won two of them without a second all-. Kenny, you put him over you? Shaq, yes. Steph has four championships. He's won two of them without a second all-NBA player alongside of him. He's won two of MVPs, one of which is an anonymous, and he's the three-point. Well, we know what he's done in three-point competition. So a combination of a shooting and ball handling has never been.

But, Gil, I'm anxious to you here but this is why I look at it like women okay a woman might have a standard that she says okay for a husband I want this this this and this and this and another lady might say okay I want this but I can do without that I want this this and this and this

for me I said in order for me to consider you a goat, you need at least three regular season MVPs, two finals MVPs, and somewhere between eight and ten all

NBA teams. For you to be considered the goat. Because think about it now. We're talking about in the history, the 77, 78 year history of the NBA. We're saying you're the best player of all time. And there's a very select could even be considered. You're talking about LeBron. You're talking about Kareem.

You're talking about Jordan. You're talking about Magic. You're talking about Bird. You're talking about LeBron. You're talking about Kareem. You're talking about Jordan. You're talking about Magic. You're talking about Bird. You're talking about Duncan. You're talking about Wilt. You're talking about Russell. I don't think because, you know, look, I understand the three-point shot. Okay, we already know.

The only competition, the question of point guards is he and Magic. Okay, you like stealth? Okay, fine. You like magic? Magic is for me. But that's just my criteria. It's like you choosing a woman. Well, I needed to be, you know, 5'10".

I wanted to have, you know, peanut butter skin. I wanted to have real hair. I wanted to be built like this. Or I wanted to be college educated. I wanted to have built like this. Or I wanted to be college educated. I wanted to have a job. Okay, whatever the choice is, that's just my criteria. Where are you on this? I got Steph in my top 10.

After he won that title, I put him in the top 10. I did. So when you said your goat, there's only two names, right? The problem with the goat discussion is when it was created, the GOAT conversation, there was only one criteria. It was Michael Jordan. Yeah, that was it. There was no. And I always ask, you know, so I had to ask 80s players.

I had Clyde Drexler, all of them. I said before Michael Jordan was the GOAT, who was the GOAT? Who did he take the crown off? They never bestowed that to anybody. They didn't have any, right? So if they didn't have no GOAT, right, I can't give you a criteria because the guy they gave it to at the time, he only had one championship. He only had one.

When they gave him this, him this that you are the best player we done ever seen you are him it was they were saying that he didn't have no title yeah 89 but that's what i'm saying so it's hard to have a it's all it's hard to have a standard when the standard didn't have it right so it's hard to say, now you need five championships. Because the people that we, Magic, Wilt, Russ, Bird, they were considered the GOAT. So their stats don't even matter, right? So the only person that's in that category is LeBron James. That's the only one who's threatened this.

Magic didn't have it. Bird didn't have it. Wilt, none of them had it. Right. Right. So. So I can't put you in there now. Right. I can't put you. Eighty nine. He's it. That means everybody before eighty nine, eighty eight to forty seven. No, you're not. And you're not a part of this so the only person that actually that is threatening it will be LeBron everybody else you guys are just you guys are second tier that's good for me I think the thing is for me Gil

is that and it's funny that you said that because numbers are never going to be challenged nobody's ever going to average 50 and 25 nobody's going to average 44 and Nobody's ever going to average 50 and 25. Nobody's going to average 44 and 27. Nobody's going to average 30 points and 23 rebounds for a career.

Those rebounding numbers, ain't nobody getting 55 rebounds in a game. That ain't going to happen. There's a stat people, 14.4 blocks for his career. Just throw it away. But if, think about it, Gil. If they would have killed

Block Shops, how many triple doubles would he have had? He'd have had 400. No, no, no, no. He has 800 quadruple doubles. So? So, that's the thing,

is that, like, and then Kareem came along. And Kareem won six titles, went to 10, six MVPs. He has the most MVPs. And he had a record that many thought would never be broken. I'm old enough to remember when he broke the record in Vegas. They played Utah.

Because back then the NBA wasn't like it was. So they took teams and put them in different places so different people could see them I'm old enough to remember when the NBA finals was tape delayed that's how I go back so and I'm looking like and they're right no one ever would say oh he's the best

player ever because I remember I remember Kareem and when he would not when he joined the Lakers, but when Magic got there. I mean, we watched the NBA, mainly the Sixers, because the Sixers were really good in the late 70s. Once they got the doc, they were going to the NBA finals. You know, they lost to Portland and Bill Walton. And then you had the Supersonics, and then you had the Bullets.

They changed the name because of the violence there. And so when magic got there, now it's the Sixers and the Lakers. And so now this is, and the Celtics, the Larry Bird. And I'm like, and then it wasn't because we had never seen anything like Michael.

No, we had never seen a guy. We had never seen anybody that can level his flair for the game and what he could do. You know, see, the tongue hanging out. And then the best thing, the best

thing and the worst thing that ever happened to everybody else has got to be the shoes. It's got to be the shoes, money. Yeah, it took him to a Gil, you know when you got a brand and you be the shoes, money. Yeah, it's... It took him to a... Gil, you know when you got a brand and you are the brand? That 80... Like when people talk about

like the GOAT and they say, oh, you know, he got six rings. Just show you just a 88, 89. That's it. When the shoe company took the wings off and put the logo on, that lets you know right there. Right? Yes.

But sometimes I don't like talking like stats, right? When you talk about MVPs, finals MVPs, because now would Russell be considered a goat if he had 10 finals MVPs or nine finals MVPs, right? He will be in a different category, but that wasn't invented then. Right. The finals MVP didn't come out until 1969

and Jerry West won it on a losing squad. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That was the first finals MVP. So it wasn't created until after he retired. Right. So, you know what I mean? So that's a category that he don't have towards fatality.

Right. You know, when we talk about, when we use these MVPs, finals MVPs, they don't mean anything. How did you play the game? Were you dominant? Shaq changed the game.

I was there. I was there when he was calling our big man's bums. How many of these bums are you going to keep putting out here? You can put them all. You can put all five centers here on the same court. And I'm running through all of I'm there. We had to put a zone in where we had to put somebody in front back on the side. Like I was there. Right. So what he's saying is he's putting a step in front. I know he's lying. Right. So what he's saying is he's putting a step in front. I know he's lying.

Right. I know he's lying. Right. They was drafting big man just. Just to deal with him. Just for bodies. Right. You know, he's trying to be humble.

Right. He's trying to be humble. But if you ever see a list that Shaq ain't on the five or he gets offended every time. He created his own five. Have you noticed that every time he creates a five, he's in it? And rightfully so. But for Steph to pole vault Kareem

and to pole vault Jordan and to probe, let's just say Bron Kareem, because I think most of the time when we do have this discussion is LeBron, Kareem, because I think most of the time when we do have this discussion is LeBron, Jordan, Kareem. Kareem, Jordan, LeBron. Jordan, Kareem. Now, a lot of the young guys that play when you play put Kobe in there.

The young guys put Kobe in there. Yeah. But it's just, it's, but let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Jordan has six MVP, has six finals MVPs, but he only has one MVP.

Regular season. Yeah, but we still, hell yeah. I don't know, Gil. Because the NBA back then, right? Think about it like this. From 90 to he retired.

From 80, 87. I think he won in 88, 89. When was he considered the best player on the floor? 81, 5. I mean, he was... Magic and Bird started talking. Although he didn mean, he was. Like, well, the thing, Magic and Bird started talking.

Yeah. Although he didn't have the team because every year, I think it was like from 80, from 82 all the way to 87. It was basically the Lakers and the Celtics in the finals, with the exception of maybe one year, two years. It was the Sixers. Yeah. But, you know, Magic 180 and then Bird 181 and then Magic 182 and then the Sixers. But, you know, Magic 180, and then Burry 181, and then Magic 182, and then the Sixers 83, and then Larry 184, and then Magic 185,

the Burry 186, and then Magic 187, 88, and then Isaiah 189, 90, and then here comes Jordan, took it over in the 90s. And so everybody's like, well, if he's so great, why he can't break through? They blessed him out of it. I don't know. He wouldn't

got the magic potion. And once he broke through... When we talk about the MVP, if he was the best player in the league, hands down, no questions asked, you giving him an MVP trophy or giving it to someone else don't make them better. Like, we know at some point

you had to give it to someone else, right? Knowing if he was the best player on the best team dominating the game, scoring title, this and this, he has six rings, how come he don't have six MVPs?

Who deserved it? scoring title, this and this. He has six rings. How come he don't have six MVPs? Right. Who deserved it? Right. You know what I mean? It needs to be like hockey. It needs to be like hockey. Gretzky won nine, he won the Hart Trophies every year.

You saw Barry Bonds was one of the MVPs. If you're the best, don't get tired. You should get tired of nobody wanting to step up and take it from him. Look, if I'm a voter, if I believe that guy's the best, I'm voting for him. I ain't going to get tired.

And that's what it is. We get tired. Like, how is this guy's team's number one every year? He's averaging 37 every year. And he's losing. Who is he losing to? Because they're not number one. And so the MVPs and all that stuff,

I have to watch how you play this game. What was your impact on it versus the statistical part? Because it's jaded, right? The voters are not watching every game. They're not watching every game right they're not watching every game are they looking at stats oh he had 32 percent from the field they don't say he got quadruple double they don't say he got quadruple double so it's it's we look at so my my five is

jordan lebron cove magic shack okay right the only reason I don't have Kareem in him, I wasn't alive. Yeah. You know what? But I think you can attest to this. Kareem is the greatest player that gets the least credit in anybody in NBA history.

Hey, hey, hey. I don't know what he did to the reporters, but they do not like him. He was surly. He was surly. They didn't like him. That's why he doesn't have... No. Also, he was Russell West like him. He was surly. They didn't like him. That's why he doesn't have... He was very rough.

He was worse. But here's the thing. Until 1980, you know the players voted for the MVP. There was no writers voting for the MVP. The players used to vote. Because the

year in 61-62 when Wilt averaged 50-25, Bill Russell won the MVP. That's also the year Oscar Robinson had the triple-double. They say 61-62 was the greatest statistical season because Walt

Bellamy and Elgin Baylor, they was like 38, 19. Jerry West was like 37, 30.7 rebounds, eight assists. Uh, we know what Russell was like 1922. Oh,

that was wrong. It was rock solid. It was putting up numbers, but obviously Russell won the finals MVP and he won the regular season MVP. So back then the season MVP. So back then, the players voted. So they're like, nah, man, that ain't that bad.

If we don't like somebody, like, ah, nah, we don't go do that. That's today too. So they took it away from the fans, the players, and gave it to the writers. So it'll be interesting to see. Now, I believe I agree with you because you,

I don't know if they still have the players award because one year somebody won the MVP and then the players voted somebody else MVP. That was the Curry Harden. So Curry's first MVP, the players voted that that was Harden's MVP. Right. So it'd be very interesting had the players continue

to vote, how many championships would, how many MVPs would Jordan have? How many would Kobe have? How many would LeBron have? It would be very very interesting to see. They will have more than they have now.

Yeah. Because, you know, when we look and say, well, Shaq only got one MVP, you'd be like, how? Yes. Wow. That doesn't even make any sense, right?

And, you know, when you're a writer, I don't, you should, your badge should be revoked. If you are not voting correctly, right? If you're sitting here and you got LeBron James and everyone voted LeBron James as first team. And then someone has him as third team.

He should be, hey, hey, hey, what's up? And if this is what you're doing, we're going to pull this. Oh, you remember that? That guy did that in LeBron. LeBron was one vote away from winning the MVP unanimous. Yeah. And the guy voted for Carmelo. Yes.

And at that time, right, that's when you should say, hey, okay, you're not doing this fair. We're going to take it away from you, right? We're going to take it away. Thank you. Appreciate you. You're going to be on time out this year and following you. But that should happen.

Like, you shouldn't just have these guys just going in with their, oh, LeBron didn't give me an interview. He didn't give me an interview this day. You know, I ain't go vote him first thing. He can't have that. But you, Gil, and I understand what you're saying, but they're human. I know. Hey,

you know somebody at one point in time, they give you your butt to kiss, and now you get the upper hand. What you gonna do? You gonna turn around and give your butt to kiss right back? It's human. And people are like, you shouldn't. I say, bro, you have to understand, these people are human. At the end of the day, yes, they have a job to do, but they're human.

And they have feelings. They have emotions. And they're like, okay, I can't get you back any other way. But, you know, you might, hey, you wish you had this all-NBA vote. You wish you had the MVP vote. That all-star vote, hey. But you, you, you never know. That's why I say, you know, you have to treat people accordingly.

Welcome, look who we got joined to the chat. Hey! Let me guess. Let me guess. That's, that, that's a fake road, right? You got on fake road. You get on here, you get on here, and we're fake, fake Versace. Nah, hey, I love y'all, man. Gil, what's robe, right? You got on fake robe. You get on here and wear fake Versace. Nah, hey,

I love y'all, man. Gil, what's up, baby? Hey, what's up, baby? You looking good. I was asleep, bro. I was asleep. I'm sorry. You don't sleep what you sleep for.

Don't nothing come to you. You wasn't asleep, boy. Look at him. You just got from the club, baby. Nah, bro. The only thing that comes to sleepers, you do realize, Ocho,

the only thing that comes to sleepers are dreams, and you got to get up to make those happen. Yeah, I got up for you, baby. I got up for you. Y'all talking basketball talk, baby. That's not my lane. I'm trying to stay in my lane. I'm trying to learn the game. I've been studying a little bit, and I'm not quite ready

to jump on there with y'all, man, so I can talk about the game of basketball in depth. Well, I tell you what, just get in the backseat. You just get in the backseat and just listen. Just go for it, man. Just listen. Just listen and just chime in from time to time. Yes, sir. You said on your pod that Draymond

is not changing. UD, Udonis Haslam, just retired after 20 years, says he wants to see Draymond be a mentor to these young players. At the end of the day, we're here to guide these young fellas in the right direction. Can you imagine me swinging on Hero? I'd take a long walk on a short pier. I'd never forgive myself.

The question is, Gil, you said he's not going to change. But does he want to collect the remaining of that $100 million? Or does he want to go home and say, I'm going to stand on business? It looks like he's standing on business. It looks like he's standing on business right now. But you know what? His principles, it seemed like to those type of guys,

like he said it, he wouldn't be able to live with himself if he hurt someone that he's supposed to protect, right? I think he's talking about the Jordan Poole situation in that. He's talking about himself on protecting his teammates from other wolves. And I think as a teammate, what Draymond did to Jordan Poole, it made him seem like he was an outsider. Because there ain't no goddamn way he doing that to separate Clay.

His- No, hell no. Just a wiener somewhere, he tried that shit. Nah, he ain't never played in the NBA again. Hell no, hey, Ocho, if he pumped his chest up, boy, he would have been in the third ward. Mm-hm, yeah. So- What happened with, do we know what happened in Terleny with that situation? Did he say something about him personally?

Go ahead, Gil. You would have more information about that situation than I would. Here's the story. They were in training camp, right? So they were in training camp. And Jordan Poole got the second squad. So when they were in Japan, it's about an hour, hour and a half ride to

practice and back. So Draymond already started the draft. He already started the rough, like, you suck, your team suck, how can you be, how can you make this kind of money, you can't even get a win, right? He's going to, he ain't going to beat Steph, Klay, Draymond.

You ain't going to beat the starting five. So he's just going at him. Hey, hey, are you going, right? He's just the whole training camp, right? So Kerr had to pull him aside and say, you got to stand up for yourself. Come on, stop letting Draymond treat you like a little girl out here. Stand up for yourself, right? So, you know, Jordan Poole like, oh, okay.

So they said Jordan Poole was in practice cooking. Boy, he was cooking shrimp and chicken that day, right? So he's, hey, he's talking. And he's talking to Draymond. Hey, Draymond, you going to do something today? Or is 30 going to keep carrying you? Is he going to keep carrying you like a backpack? He said, you an expensive accessory.

You like a Gucci backpack to 30. Draymond got the ball, missed the layup. It popped off and got to Curry. I mean, Curry and Curry hit the three game. Everybody cheering. See, there you go. 30 saved you again. You got four rings off, 30 back. That was that day.

The next day is when the hit happened. So Draymond, like most men do, we're going to do some child support shit. We're going to do some child support shit. We're going to do some outside stuff. Child support, seeing his kids.

So Draymond coming to practice already disgruntled. Looney already seen that he was on a different vibe, right? So Draymond's trying to find somebody to pick on. Who are you going to pick on? Poo. Uh-huh. to pick on? Poole. Uh-huh. But the problem is Poole already sensed this.

So Poole, hey, hey, hey, I'm good. I already won yesterday, baby. I don't need those. Right, yeah, you're right. Right. So if you look at it,

Poole's not even on the court. Poole ain't even on the court. Draymond's scoring. Where you at now? Come on on the court. Come on on the court. Talk that mess today. And like, I'm good'm good I'm good and that's how that was so it wasn't like Poole was going at him that day the damage was done yesterday the day before and and that push right there, got him hit.

But you know, Ocho, you know being in the locker room, that's a different type of machismo. Because first of all, guys in the locker room ain't going to let you walk up on them. Especially, especially, Gil, we can be disagreeing. Man, F you, F you. You ain't going to do nothing as long as you over there and I'm over here. We good. We good.

But the moment I see you start to close the distance, I'm feeling some type of way. So now I'm getting in the mindset. If he gets within, hey, all I'm thinking, if he gets within arms, if he gets within, I'm unloading. What? That's the only thing I think. Oh, no, sorry. No, so good. Oh gets within, I'm unloading. What? That's the only thing I think. Oh, no, sorry. No, so, Gil.

Oh, yeah, I'm TNR. What's up? Why you fall? What? Ocho, you with him? I can see he got the muscles. Come on, Ocho. No, no, no, no, no, no.

We arguing. You over there. I'm over here. As you arguing, we arguing still, and you start to close the distance. I'm never going to let you get up on me. I'm never going to let that happen, Gil. I'm never going to let that happen. My antenna's going up.

I'm feeling some type of way. So all of a sudden now, I start to feel a rush. Wow. See, y'all got that juicy. No, no, the locker room. Ocho, you better tell me. Yeah, I mean, you got to know. Your antenna's got to go up.

Especially if sometimes, even if it's a friend, even if it's a teammate, when someone invades your space, when you're in an argument, your antenna's already got to go up and you got to be on your P's and Q's. You got to, especially in that situation when somebody is showing any type of hostility to you, you know, and they close that distance and they become in what I like to call an arm's reach or an arm's length. Oh. But it's go time. Oh, you telling me to hit you? You telling me to hit you? Go time. Nah, I did not say no.

We don't expect to get hit. I just, I was at the strip club sucking on titties with you. No, no, no, you ain't going to hit me. I don't care what kind of argument we got in expect to get hit. I was at the strip club sucking on titties with you. No, no, no, you ain't going to hit me. I don't care what kind of argument we got in, baby. Right. Hey, let's keep it over there, Gil. You stay over there.

I'll stay over there. Hey, Gil, you suck. What the hell? You ain't going to do nothing. You right. No, we got to get incentive. We got to put our shoulders next to each other. We got to spin around. Oh, no.

Oh, hell no. No, uh-uh. Oh, no. Oh, hell no. No, uh-uh. Hey, Gil. Come on. Gil, that's third grade. Will you walk around in a circle? Push me. We still on high school shit.

That's third grade, Gil. Will you walk around in a circle? Do something. Do something. Knock it off my shoulders. We ain't trying to hit this. I ain't going to hit that. I'm going to hit this.

I'm going to hit that. Right here, we done. Yeah, and you know the funny thing about it, we done. Yeah. And you know, you can't let nobody walk up on you, Gil. The funny thing about it is you got to, like, you know, with coaches,

you got to know your personnel. When it comes to arguing, you got to understand the people you're arguing with. And you know how they move. You already know how they move and you know it makes certain people tick.

And there's certain people you can argue with and you can get away with it. And there's certain people you know, if we get into it, I got to stand on business. I got to stand on business. I got to stand on business.

If this individual get mad, you already know what time it is. If a man tell you, Gil, if a man tell you to stop playing, just let that go. Just let it go. Even if you a bigger man, hey, he said, man, stop playing. Let go. But if you listen to Hassam, right, those enforcers, they are not putting their hands on players, so we're not expecting that.

Jordan, no, no, no, but see, y'all, why are they expecting that? Because, Gil, I'm going to tell you, see, if you're in the locker room and you get in an argument and you let somebody close the difference, they're going to hit you in your face or they're going to throw your ass so hard on your back, you're going to say, how did this man walk up on me like that? One or, they're going to hit you in your face or they're going to throw your ass so hard on your back. You can say, I'll let this man walk up on me like that. One of the others is going to happen.

Gil, I'm telling you. You hit me in the locker room. Guess what? I'm not playing no more. I'm taking my ball. I'm going home. It's, hey, call me at my house. Either he's off the team or I'm off the team.

That's how that goes. Dude, I saw two dudes, two of my teammates, they're both on the defense. And they have been going back and forth that walkthrough. They just going back and forth, going back and forth, going back and forth. And he was standing in the locker, had his arm in the locker like this here.

He said, yeah, you keep on. I tell you what, you ain't going to do nothing. Dude ran over there, hit him dead. Cracked his head. What did he hit him with? That helmet. Ooh. He was standing in the locker like this here.

He was just standing like this here. Mm-hmm. Yeah, OK. Yeah. Mm-hmm. just standing like this here. Yeah, okay. He just shaking his head. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Sure. And then his partner tried to jump in

and then the other boy said, no, you don't want that. You don't want that problem. So you have to understand who, like Ochoa said, you got to understand your personnel because Ochoa remember I told you everybody don't play like you play

everybody don't play like you play I know who to play I know who to mess with who to joke with come on Sean let that go today man I ain't but okay I go get right on somebody else. You gonna be ready to bar?

Cause I got you. Just move that along, Gil. But you don't let nobody close the distance on you, Gil. I've never, and I'm the jokester. I'm the one that I don't take none serious in the locker. I never felt, I've never felt threatened by a teammate. Like I've seen fighting,

like our big man used to go at it. Obviously, we sit in there cheering it on. But other than that, it's only 15 of us. And most of us, we go in groups and cliques. So our arguments don't really carry over to fighting like that. Like Hoopers is not like that. Right? We don't really want to

fight. We don't either. We don't even know if we can or not. Like, you know what I mean? But we don't know if we can really throw a punch. And that's the thing. That's the thing. I say, I tell them all the time i don't know if i can fight but you don't want to find out hey i don't know i don't but don't you find out

no so hey check this out smush parker says colby never spoke to him in two seasons as a laker teammate it was over if they asked him a question about Kobe. He said it was an overrated experience playing with Kobe Bryant. He said he's tried to start a friendly conversation with Kobe about a football game the previous night. And Kobe said, you can't talk to me. You need more accolades under your belt

before you talk to me. Damn. That's how y'all get down? We don't call him. We call him William H. Parker over here. Oh, William Parker? Hey, man. Oh, Smush. William Parker? Hey, man. Come on, Gil.

Hey, man. Kobe could get a man conversation. He could say, hey, man, how you doing? Hey, man, listen. Smush should be happy. Kobe even allowed him to start. The man didn't start before Kobe. He was out of the league after Kobe.

That's Smush, right? Yeah. The one I gave you, 62? Yeah, no, after Kobe. That's much right. Yeah. The one I gave you, 62? Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. He lucky Kobe even said those words to him. You just can't be talking to Kobe Bryant. I don't want to see you all, baby. Ocho, see, that's what we different.

We talk to everybody. The Kirk O'Connor, the practice squad guy, it don't even matter. Yeah, Kobe was different, man. He was built different. You talk to everybody. The Kirkup punter, the practice squad guy, it don't even matter. Kobe was different, man. He was built different. You can tell. When I heard the story about what Smush said, I can see that. I can see Kobe being the type, you know what,

you ain't even done nothing yet. You ain't earned the right to even speak to me. And the fact that they had the cubicle right next to each other, I can imagine Kobe not really speaking to him at all. Yeah. That's a, you should be, he gonna be offended.

True story. Lamar Odom called Kobe and said, hey, Kobe, hey, where's the what's the name party tonight we're supposed to be going to? Or the event, they're supposed to do

some charity event. The first thing Kobe asked, hey, how'd you get this number? How'd you get this number? Right? And he was like, oh, what's the name? What's the name? He gave it to me. Hung up, called that person. You're fired. Don't ever give my number out without asking

me first. Click, then called back. Hey, yeah, we supposed to go to your realm, blah, blah, blah. That's the time he was on. Listen, Kobe stood on business on and off the court. Hey, when I did that, the next day, I went to our

team and, hey, man, listen, if you do not make $5 million or more, you can't talk to me. You can talk to the person who make five. The five can talk to me, but if you only make under five, don't talk to the person who make five the five can talk to me but if you make under five don't talk to me directly hey but hey hey Ocho you know NFL players they had them kind of contracts

when we was in there wasn't a whole lot of five million dollar players especially when I played basically the quarterback was the only one making that kind of bread man how you gonna talk about don't talk to you unless you make five million quarterback with the only one making that kind of bread. Oh, man. Man, how you going to talk about no talking to you unless you make five big. Come on, G. I got that high-tech, man. I'm sorry, y'all.

There we go. You good? I got the tracker. And I mean, I got, there you go. Love life. Let's talk about Luca. Luca said he met his wife when she was 11 years old whoa they just had they just had a child together he says but there's no basketball talk allowed when he's home oh you're gonna have to you're gonna have to rephrase that uh

you're gonna have to say when they were 11 because when you say he met her when she was 11 people gonna they were 11 they were when you say he met her when she was 11, people are going to be like... They were 11. They were both 11. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. All right. They were both 11. I mean, no basketball talk. I mean, that's a good thing, man. Right?

You know, when you're at home, you're trying to be home. Right? And if it works for them, that's amazing. Ocho, what do you say all the time? Hey, whatever works for you and your marriage. Well, yeah, everybody's different.

You know, they have a set of rules when it comes to marriage and everybody tries to follow that specific set of rules. And it's not it's not going to work unless you do it. You got to do what works for you. And obviously, listen, look, we're playing basketball 24-7. And obviously for us, for athletes in general, when you get home, that's your piece. That's your outlet away from whatever your craft may be or whatever job you may have. And when you go home, that ain't what you want to do. That ain't what you want to hear about because you got to deal with it all the time.

Well, damn, how was your day at work, baby? Don't ask me about my day. God! I mean, come on, Cho. I mean, when Rel come home, you ask Rel, hey, Rel, how your day was? How many sales you had? I know you had. I know you went on a couple tours today. You selling how many houses you sell? Imagine Rel

say, hey, baby, when you come home, don't ask me nothing about my day. Don't ask me nothing about no real estate, about no houses, about nothing. How you going to feel, Cho? Yeah, I ain't going to feel bad because it depends on how she feel. Because the stresses that might come with what she got to do,

I don't want no part of that. And then when she come home, coming home is your sense of peace. That's your outlet away from all the bullshit. If you play football, if you play basketball, if you play any sport, you know when you go home, especially if you're married,

you want your wife and your home to be your safe haven. You don't want to come home to no bullshit once you're outside of the workforce. Okay, so did you have to set those rules before? You guys talked about that, don't you? Like, hey, when we get home, whatever we got going on, let's drop it outside.

This is just us. No, I didn't even have to set rules. You can tell. You got to know your people. You know your lady based on her energy when she come in the house. You already know what time it is.

You know something's already bothering her that has to do with work. No, you already know. You already know. Listen, she could, Rell could start a sentence and I could finish it before she even say anything. So you already know, all right, you know what? Work ain't going to have should.

So I'm going to take a different approach. I'm going to take a different angle and make sure I engage in conversation, but it not having to do with work. Okay. Hey, I get be a lady. She come over working. She told me I ain't feeling good. She going to get a meme. Come on up there. Cause you I get me a lady. She come over working. She ain't feeling good. She gonna get a meme. Come on up there.

Cause you got something on your mind. I'm gonna take that around on the top of your mind. See that? And then all of a sudden, she say, you know what, baby? I just had the best day. You know what? That's what you gotta do. That's what you gotta do on show. See, we all young boys. See, y'all need

to listen to my old boy, see, give y'all some game. Oh, yeah, I got like salmon. So, you know, whoever has a bad day, Ocho, you can stay over there. Well, I ain't even got no type of problems. Yeah. Mariah

Mills, we all know who she was. She's the OF young lady that was dealing with Zion Williamson that put all of his business in the street. And she resurfaced and said she had some advice from Zion. Since you want to send your publicist to talk SHIT about me every freaking week, how about you get on a treadmill? Speed three, level 12. Maybe you should lose some weight and then go for it like an hour or two.

Second, how about stop drinking sodas? Three. How about practice doing three pointers? Everybody tried to see you dunk all freaking day. Learn another move. It's getting bored and tired. You're tired and boring. Just like you were in bed.

Damn. She came like that? You know what? That might be the girl that he probably really need. Nah, hell nah. Not that you don't put my business on the street. Hell nah, I don't need you. But think about the jabs, right?

Put it on speed three. Yeah. 12 incline. She know him. Yes. So that means most likely she was the one that was trying to keep him healthy. Nah, but she blew up

the spot. Yeah, I would blow up the spot too. You got somebody else. I'm over here with your fat ass and then you over here getting some. Oh, no. But guess what? She's showing them wires.

I'm going to keep my mind shut because probably to keep me from putting my business in the street, he's going to keep them things coming because he don't want, he already got one. He don't want this other business

in the street. So guess what? He's going to keep me on the hush. You know, hush money, that hush money good. That hush money, that hush money good. That hush money come in handy, Gil. What's wrong with these women today, man? They don't know. Hush money is the best money.

You out. I don't need to pay you no more. Thank you. The fear of you telling is what makes me write the check. Once you tell, I'm good. It's a wrap. I can figure it out. Telling is what makes me write the check. Once you tell, I'm good. It's a wrap. Yeah.

I can figure it out. Uncle, we talked about that the other day now. We just talked about that the other day. Everybody is loyal. Everybody is on their P's and Q's. Everybody is loyal until the situation is no longer beneficial. And then you will see someone's true colors come out. Yeah.

Because the opportunity that presents itself, no longer beneficial. And then you will see someone true colors come out. Yeah. Because the opportunity that presents itself no longer beneficial. So I'm out. Ojo, well, you talking to the black male king when I was a kid because I showed you,

I drop a dime on him. I tell him my sister, my aunts, my brother, they had to pay me dollar. Two dollars to keep this information hush or I'm going to tell papa. Y'all skip school. Hey, they skip school, papa. Two dollars to keep this information hush, or I'm going to tell Papa, y'all skipped school.

Hey, they skipped school, Papa. Two dollars. Hey, I know you told us to go down to Dairy Queen, but we made a stop. We stopped off at such and such. Pay up. Boy, you a snitching? You a snitching? You think I wasn't when I was? Hey, boy, snitches get snitches.

Hey, hey, hey, I want y'all, we both going to have to give him snitches, snitches get stitches. Hey, hey, hey, Ocho, we both gonna have to give him stitches because I can't do it myself. Yeah. Oh, no. Snitches get stitches. I had Barney Porter. I had Barney Porter

on speed dial. They ain't wanna see Papa. Damn. I tell it. I tell Granny, too. Hey, my sister made me mad one time. I told Granny,

uh, let me check Sp checks bank out of school. They went to Statesboro. Guess what? Money started flowing again. You thought it was money started flowing. Hey, hey, listen, I tell it. Hey, the Anthony Edwards, man, listen,

I wish I could talk to some of these ladies before. Ladies, listen, if you're going to do it, do it right. You got to understand when you got somebody by the cojones. I was her. I need $100,000 right now. When I get in my car, I need another $100,000. When I get to the doctor, another $100,000. When they give me the pill, I need another $100,000 for me to put it in my mouth.

I need another $100,000. Right now, I just got your $500,000. You know what you're going to do? Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Yeah. They're going to have to do the peel, Gil, because I don't think they're going to the chop shop anymore. No, no, no, no. Yeah, the peel. Oh, no. That's true traumatic.

They ain't doing that no more. So you got to give them that peel. I don't know. What's wrong with these new NBA? Well, we got them in our little bag with us. Oh, you got them in the bag? Plan B? Oh, yeah, $50.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those in the bag with us. Oh. Yeah, that's throwbacks. You know, we go to Miami, probably had a little bit too much, probably slipped up. Got to clean your system before you go back to the girl. Oh, yeah, all day.

Oh, Joe. Oh yeah, all day. Ocho. You see why the NBA players got like seven baby mamas, man? Hey. We ain't know what man's was. Y'all living, living. Yeah, baby. Hey, I'm

you know what? Look here, man. I'm just glad there was no social media. Ocho, we might have been bad off, Ocho. Yeah, I caught social media on the back end. But I wasn't bad like that. Nobody was really giving me no opportunity. You know, I was funny looking. I was funny looking while I was playing.

So I ain't had to deal with none of that. But Ocho, think about the access that social media opened up. Because remember when you first got into the league, in order for you to know somebody was bad in Miami, you had to actually be there. Be there. Or to know somebody was bad in California, you had to actually be in LA.

Now all you got to do is just go to your Explorer page. Oh, you in Columbia? Oh, you in Brazil? Oh, you in Brazil? Oh, you in LA? You in Miami? You in Atlanta? You in New York? Philly? Oh. Now we have Black Men's Magazine?

Yeah. Oh, King. King. Slam. If we get their booking number, go ahead and book them for a party. Yeah. I'm about to be in Charlotte. I got you $10,000 for a party, girl. But you have to also understand the type of woman that's going to be accessible to you. If a woman got a job, she's like, well, damn, I ain't going to be able to take out work.

Now, are you going to pay for the day she missed? Yes. Or she's a woman that works, has her own schedule. She has her own schedule. That's easy. What type of women are y'all talking about? The kind that be talking to them OFs?

No, all we know is we know Miami, Cinnamon, Spice. We only know strippers because that's... See, y'all got a different time schedule than us. See, we're done practicing

about noon, one o'clock. Y'all done that early? Man, we started practice at 11. I better be out of that gym by one. Right? Think about the women that are available to us. None.

Not no ones that have careers. Right? So you got strippers that's going in there, you know, going to get their little outfits for the night. By the time, you know, the real women... So you wear that over here to me. With that outfit you go wear tonight, wear that over here to me. So we only dealing with slumlords.

We ain't dealing with no educated women. No. No, they at work when we're playing. Okay, I got it. And by the time they off work, we probably at work playing before the game. Then we going to the club or the strip club, they going to sleep ready for work in the morning.

So we don't get those women. Nah, we know Bambi and them. Yeah. Coco, coming to the stage. Coming to stage number two is Coco. We know how you look by your name. If you didn't have a name like Deja or

Miami, oh, nah. Who name is Deja in here? Deja Vu. Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's all we looking for. Who name is Deja in here? Deja Vu. Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. London. Yeah. Woo! Yeah, you need Coco, Honey. No, you gotta have a name. You gotta name like Coco.

You gotta name like Honey. Mercedes. You gotta name like Cinnamon. Mercedes. Everybody Mercedes. Nah, you should've called yourself Hugo. You not know Mercedes. Or Pinto. Nah, hell nah have called yourself Hugo. You not know Mercedes. A Pinto. Nah, hell nah. I don't know where you get that.

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apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts rod a7 said gil did lebron's wife really break down film with him yeah no that's the truth listen that's a true story man when i went over lebrron's house, I don't know if you heard. I think. I think Richie Paul was on JJ's podcast when he was talking about this big gambling game we did. Yeah. Like when we were doing the playoffs, LeBron wasn't gambling. He was with him in Savannah was watching film breaking down tape on us and you know I'm like looking like

that shit ain't gonna work because I don't like that play right but the fact that that's what they were doing at a young age because I went to coach like man hey that's like a machine we're about to play against we were better than them he was smarter than us wow like he was better prepared at an early age We were better than them. He was smarter than us. Wow.

He was better prepared at an early age. No one, I didn't, he outsmarted us in that series. He was just smarter than all of us. We took his gift for granted. We knew the athleticism. We didn't know he was tactical. Are you, Gil, you know, look, chosen one. On the cover of Sports Illustrated. We know the three straight uh the championships in high school is he more or exactly what you thought he would be

way more right i mean i didn't i didn't i didn't think that i I remember my dad said, hey, you better get ready this summer. There's a kid coming in by the name LeBron James. He's like a hurricane. Ain't nobody care about no high school kid coming in. And then the first time I seen him, I was like, all right, okay. The athleticism was different. And then just being on the East Coast playing against him, I can just see it clicking faster and faster.

So he had to guard me his first years, where I was giving him that business, but you can see it. Like, man, by the time he's 20, we're going to be in trouble. And this part, I didn't calculate. But watching him break down film and then watching him, I was like,

okay, he's going to be something to reckon with. But you didn't calculate. But watching him break down film and then watching him, I was like, oh, okay, he's going to be something to reckon with. But you didn't see that he was going to take care of himself and be exactly what he is today. He did. If someone said they're lying to you, for him to be able to do what he does, because he missed a lot of the Bronnies and Bryce and Zuri. He missed a lot of that because he needs to get his rest.

He needs to train. He needs to have the physio and to make sure everything. And he's at the gym getting up those shots, how important is it to have someone in your life that understands you like Savannah understands Bron and not say, I need some help with these kids. I've been here all day with these kids. Now it's your turn now.

Oh, no, no, no. That's exactly what the other 99.9% of us get. I've been here all day with the kids here, right? So the fact that they've been there from the beginning, the whole team, it's the same group

from day one, they all knew the objective. And that objective, if it was be better than Michael Jordan, they all did their part. Right? So when we look and say, what has he sacrificed? And we look at Bronny and the family. He sacrificed being with his kids right now. I mean, it's 20 years. 21.

21. 21 years. So that means he didn't get to really be hands-on with Bronny. I was Bronny's first trainer. Hey, Gil, what you think? What you look like? Hey, I'm nervous for him. You know what I mean?

Because he's not there to really instill what he can into him. Right? It's been from a distance. That's what he can into him. It's been from a distance. That's what he sacrificed. So the fact that Savannah has really gotten these boys to where they are just shows you what type of stability he's had this whole time. Especially because she's made it abundantly clear. She said, like, some people want to start a business

and some people want to do this. She says, all I wanted to be was a wife and raise a family. So that means she gave up anything that she could possibly want to be outside of being a wife and raising a family to sacrifice because she knew what he wanted. I mean, think about somebody giving up them. You know, that's like a mother and a father sacrificing for their child. But she sacrificed maybe what she wanted or what she could have achieved.

So you know what, baby? I got them. I got this. I'm in the carpool lane. I'm going to pick them up. I'm going to be there. When they look up in the stands, they're going to see one of us.. I'm going to be there. When they look up in the stands, they're going to see one of us. It's probably going to be me

because I want you to be the best that you absolutely can possibly be. Now it gets to a point. Savannah, what do I absolutely have to be there for? Bronny's first game, considering what he went through this summer, the cardiac arrest.

We don't know if he if and when he'll ever play again. I can't miss that under no circumstances. All-star game, game one, I cannot miss that. Because I don't know,

you don't get an opportunity to do the first again. To see your oldest play his first collegiate game. So now you understand, because remember, Ocho, you know this, there's a great sacrifice. The greater the person, the greater the sacrifices that they've made.

And there is no balance for greatness. Anybody tell you they're lying? Go ask Vanessa. Go ask Juanita. Jordan's first wife. Go ask the greats. I'm talking about the... I ain't talking about...

You know, look. There's a lot of good players and there's some greats. But I'm talking about this pyramid. Ask them. Ask them. Ask them. It's the one thing that I think as men, especially

athletes, when we look at LeBron James and the Kobe's, Chris Paul, that woman that understands them to a T. That is the other half of them. that woman that understands them to a T, right?

That is the other half of them. It's the envy. Like you started looking around at the girls you chose and like, man, what was I looking at? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's like, what was I looking at? What was I chasing? Because what I was chasing wasn't it. This is what I wanted.

Like my career would have been better if I had that. Yeah. Right? Like, you know what I mean? Like, if I had some guidance, some understanding, right? Alfred, not a Robin. I don't need someone out there trying to be a hero with me. Alfred, hey, everything is prepared for you to go be great.

Right. Come back hurt, I'll refix you. Going out there and save it again. That's what we looking for. And I think that's what we, when we sit here chasing, we're chasing looking for that. And we don't know what it looks like, but when we do get it, we like, hey, hey, what's happening?

How you doing? I love you. Cookie and magic. Now, I don't know. Hey, how many women you think would have rolled out given the same circumstances, Ocho? Shit.

Shit. Shit. Take a specialcho. Shit. Shit. Listen, take a special one. Yeah. Go on back out there with them old things that you would lay in there

that you would lay. Yeah. Take a special one. Take a special one. Look at Peyton Manning. Look at Peyton Manning. Now, you know,

Ocho, you know firsthand how much Peyton time he put in film study. Yeah. Brady. Until she's like, you know what how much Peyton time he put in film study. Brady, until she's like, you know what, Tom? Damn it. Man, you've been promising me for the last seven, eight years that you ain't gonna stop.

Yeah, man. You ain't gonna stop. And I just can't do it anymore. She went as long as she could. Obviously, they're thinking, you know, hey. But again, she had her own career. You gotta realize she got more money than he does.

Now, maybe she's like, well, a lot of some of the things I did stop, I did sacrifice for the start of family, to raise the family. But, Peyton, Peyton's a, boom.

She's like, nah, baby, hey, I don't laugh. Man, Brady, God, that man, see, see, man, Brady's selfish, man. That's that white privilege right there. Hell yeah, you gotta be selfish to be great. All the broke girls out undated, you telling me someone makes more than me and I'm not gonna stop, I'm done.

Take my tricks. Have them. What are you talking about? Ocho, you suffered the same thing that I suffered because I didn't want the girl that wanted me. I wanted the girl. And so when you choose somebody, choose the girl that wants you, not the girl you

want. Because the girl that you want ain't going to be the one. Yeah, no, that's facts you have you you have to live you have to live you have to live and learn and when you when you look man you you you don't know any better you you you're not even you're not even thinking at that point in time you're like man i should have married this one i should marry this in my college and then that didn't work out. Or somebody, because we all say this, I'm going to get somebody that knew me without having anything.

I had this old raggedy car. I didn't have no indoor plumbing. And they know what it's like to sacrifice and be there for me. Then if that doesn't work out, then where do we go? Because the one that we thought is message.

You know, it's like, well, you know, if the high school or the college sweetheart doesn't work, well, damn, even if you are seventh round, if you're on an NFL team, you're in the NFL. It ain't like, you know what I'm saying? Hey, you're in the NFL. It ain't like, you know what I'm saying?

Hey, you're in the NFL. It's not like, you know, well, you know, you work around the building. Right.

You actually in the league. So whether you a seventh round pick or a first round pick, hey, are you that sharp to play for the Broncos? Now, it's a whole different story.

It's too late now, Ocho. Yeah. It's hard. Let me ask you this, Ocho. What type of Christmas gift should you expect from your girlfriend when you're rich? And what type of gift should she expect from you? Let me see should what type of gift should she expect from

you let me see what type of gift should i expect first i expect a gift i expect her to give me a gift hold on i this is this is the key i expect her to give me a gift with her money not money i've given her right so i expect a gift from her money. And for me, what I like, the things I like, I'm very simple. I'm very simple, especially on Christmas, a day like that. Give me shades. You know, I love shades. I love me some shades.

You can never have enough socks, tank tops, and white tees. And I love Dickies. And I'm throwing this out there now. have enough socks, tank tops, and white tees. And I love Dickies. And I'm throwing this out there now. She probably already know it. I want Dickies. I like Dickies. Give me Dickies and I'm good. Hell, it sounds like you're going to prison. You won't come around.

Goddamn Dickies. Yeah, that's what I like. You got to remember, I'm from Miami now. I'm from Miami. So that is, I mean, Dickie's is our, that's the go-to. If you're just relaxing, you're going somewhere,

you're throwing a pair of Dickie's. Dickie's, white tea, tank top. Yeah, like you about to do a dime. For real, my friend. You about to do a dime, bro. I'm going to let the slosses ain't for real about to pay you. You about to do a dime, bro. I'm going to be shopping at a Schlosser's swap meet. Nah.

It's normal. I tell you what, I'm going to put some ramen on your books for you. I'm going to make sure you straight. I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere. Okay, what type of gift

should she expect from you? Oh, shit. You know, I catch them hints throughout the year. Oh, do you? Yeah, I catch them hints throughout the year. I catch them hints throughout the year.

They'll send you a picture. You got to pay attention to something she'll say while we out somewhere. Or she'll point to something while we in the mall. Stuff like that. Oh, you like this? I didn't turn to the page. You did. So clearly you like it.

You right. I don't want to say nothing because she might be in the chat but I'm locked in I'm ready for the 25th I'm locked in I'm ready for the 25th what do I expect man look here man at this juncture

come on bring it back bring it back in how are you going to expect something and who are you expecting it from because I thought you were single I thought you was in the portal are you going to expect something and who are you expecting it from? Because I thought you were single. I thought you was in the portal. Are you in the portal or not? I'm a free agent. I'm about to take a few

visits though. I said but what would I expect? I'm expecting less than you, Ocho. I just want to, hey, just give me a, Ocho, they don't,

give me a card. I want a card. A card. Hell nah. Hell nah. And for all I've been, all I've been doing the past 11 months, walk over the car,

we done. I promise you, whatever she gives me is not going to be the equivalent of what she's gotten the past 11 months in 24 days. Right. I promise you that.

Now, what I have gotten, Diamond Rolex and, no, I've gotten them. I haven't received that. Oh, I'm saying. Diamond Rolex, big diamond earrings, purses, I mean, whatever.

A lot of times they say, hey, I want the cash. Okay, no problem. Because I would prefer to give someone cash because I want them to get exactly what they want. Okay, I like that. Nothing makes me feel worse. And you know when you've gotten a gift

that they don't really like. Mm-hmm. That happened to you before? Yeah. Wait, you got a woman a gift and she didn't like it? Yeah. She didn't say she didn't...

You could tell her body language. You could tell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What was it? I don't say she didn't. You can tell her body language. You can tell. Yeah. Yeah. What was it? I don't even want to say. Say it. Say it.

Say it. We ain't going to laugh. Nah. It was. No. Hell nah. Shit. Boy.

We got them cussing. Y'all about to give me. I forget. I've been a live chat. And I'm live. I'm about to start cussing up a store. Let me just say, I spent 15 bands on it. Oh, my God.

Man, I'm gone. Oh, what? Spent 15 bands on it. She got 15,000 and she had the nerve to not like it? It's all good, Ocho. Boy, you done woke me up now. I'm up now.

You done woke me up. So ungrateful. Selfish. Anybody that's ever dealt with me, I'll tell you. That's my pet peeve number one. I hate ungratefulness. I hate it. I hate it. Y'all broke up?

I hope y'all broke up after that. I stayed a little while longer. They wasn't going to... Hey, Nasib. The devil is alive. That's the problem. That's the problem. Because we naturally judge.

When we say we're not going to judge you, we're judging you. If I'm spending $15,000, $30,000 on you and you give me a card, I mentally have put you in a whole different category, right? Because I'm making you feel special.

If you don't have no money, make me feel special. Make Froot Loops from scratch. Do something to make me feel special. Right? Give me a scratch. Do something to make me feel special. Right? Right? Like, you can go out there and give me a card.

Do something that I can do myself. Hey, just call me. Just call me and say, hey, girl, where you at? I'm in the backseat. Okay, I'm on the way. That good for me? I'm good. See, that's the thing.

Ocho, see the difference between men and women. If a man tells you, if I tell you, you ain't got to get me nothing and you don't get me anything, I mean exactly what I say. If a woman tell you you ain't got to get her something, don't you bring your ass in that house without getting her something for a birthday or Christmas or

man, you asking for a fight. Now, if I say don't get me something, get me something because the other girls is getting me something, and I'm going... I'm judging. Hey, I don't even... I let them know there's competition. Always. I treat relationships

like the NBA. Hey, there can always be a sub. We subbing over here. We subbing over here. I'm acting like I'm 20 years old. We subbing over here. You we subbing over here. I'm acting like I'm 20 years old. We subbing over here. You got franchise. Okay, you got franchise.

You got a max player. Uh-huh. Face of the team. Yeah. And then you got, you know, some auxiliary players. Yeah, we got some role players. You know, they come in for special. Yeah, come in and play some Ds.

Damn. I got some three and Ds. Yeah. Ocho. Yeah, I can't. Yeah. I know you can't do this no more. I got to doNDs. Yeah, Ocho. Yeah, I can't. Yeah, that's... I know you can't do this no more. I got to do it for us.

I never was able to do it because that comes with a price and you got to pay to play. Yeah, I ain't got that kind of... I ain't never had that kind of bread. I ain't had that kind of bread, Gil. Hold on. Hey, I'm going to pay to play all day.

Boy, you better than me. Because what you paying for, I can get for free. So I'm going to go ahead and save him a little change. Yeah. I don't want the headache that comes with it.

Yeah. I don't like the headache that comes with free. Right, right, right. So you basically playing, you're paying for no problems, no headaches,

no questions. It is what it is. Hey, you're paying for no problems, no headaches, no questions. It is what it is. Hey, you understand your role. You understand why you were brought on the team. Play your role or I'll find someone else to fill it. Yes. Listen, I act exactly like no chill. Right?

You can get replaced. If you argue, there's someone who don't. So why am I messing with your mess right if I'm paying your rent I'm paying her rent you argue she don't goodbye see that's why we can't complete with the movement

I can't play I can't play multiple rents I can pay two people rents mine and one of us I can't play multiple rents. I can pay two people rents. Mine and one of them's. I can't pay two, three, four, five. Oh, no. Hey, that's a different. They play by a different set of rules,

and it's a different game. Ocho, before we go any further, Ocho, I want to say we did it. We've officially hit 500,000 subs. Halfway to a million. Congratulations. Thank y'all. I appreciate y'all. I love you. I woke up out

my sleep for this. You know I got a robe on. I don't ever come on. You know I was sleeping. I got a robe on. I appreciate y'all. I love y'all. Ocho, you do realize I got I'm hosting First Take tomorrow. I'm filling in for Stephen A. This is the funny thing

about it. You hosting first take and you still ain't bringing me on and you the head, you the main man for the next two days. Let me ask you a question, don't you? Yes, sir.

How many times if I worked at any job and I filled in for the boss, you think I can go out and hire somebody else? Yeah. Yeah. Would he come back and say,

you know what, I hired two people? If he is giving, if you the main dog say, you know what? I hired two people. If he is giving, if you the main dog, if you the chief for the next two days, therefore you need to act like the boss. Well, you know what? I got a plus one I want to bring with me. What you doing to me is you acting like you on college at goddamn orientation.

Orientation is over. Your foot is in the goddamn door. Invite your boy. In the door. No, my foot's in the door. I ain't in the door. My foot's in the door. I gotta get all the way in the door. You all the way in the door because if you wasn't all the way in the door, he wouldn't be having you

take two days while he's off doing whatever he need to do. No. He and they, first of all, Stephen A had to agree to this. Dave Roberts, who's Burke Magnus, Jimmy Pat uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

Burke Magnus, uh, Jimmy Pataro, and Bob Iger. Man, Bob, Bob, them know me.

They, they, we good. They're my, excuse me, I almost said something. They're my people. I mean,

I, I, I appreciate Steven A and all the people that I just named having, having confidence

that I could do this. Well, they need, you need to have the confidence to let having confidence that I could do this. Well, you need to have the confidence to let them know that I could do it too. He acting like they ain't got no Zoom call. They can Zoom you in. No, no, I don't want to Zoom. I'm trying to be on set. Yeah, I could catch a flight.

I bet I can get there before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning. You get here before 10 o'clock tomorrow morning, we're going to be long gone. We over 7 to 9. Listen, just work your magic for your boy, man. I'm trying, Ocho. Ocho, see,

you're the type of guy that I get the job. You know, I'm working at Foot Locker, Gil, and I get there, what, two days? And he already asking me to send a box. Hey, send a box of shoes outside for me. Bro, I just got in. Let me get in. Can I get the manager status?

Let me get the manager status. I said everybody on schedule, then I'll be able to hook you up. But why? When you get a discount, as soon as you get the job, give me your discount. As soon as you get the job.

You hear him talk about thank you. Thank you, Gil. Thank you. Hold up. Who you say get the discount? As soon as you get the job, you get a discount. Give me that discount. Thank you. Thank you, Gil. Thank you. Hold up. Who you think gets the job? You get a discount. Give me that one. I come in at $248. Let me use

your discount. You have to understand how I came in. I didn't come in under the greatest of circumstances. First of all, you're number one right now. What are you talking about? You're number one. The funny What are you talking about? Yeah. You're number one. Yeah, and the funny thing about it is you ain't just bringing anybody on.

You bringing somebody that's going to move the needle when he on there with you. It's a whole different ballgame. And I'm sure Bob and Jimmy and whoever else understand that dynamic. There shouldn't be no issues. Yeah, I know they're going to see this. Yeah, yeah, Burt. Of course. Burt, holla at your boy.

I lost your number. Not Burt, Burt. Yeah, yeah, Burt. Of course. Burt, holla at your boy. I lost your number. Not Burt, Burt. Yeah, I said Burt. I said Burt. I lost his phone number. Like Ernie and Burt? Ernie and Burt. Yeah, no, Burt.

Burt, B-U-R-K. Burt, yeah. Okay, Burt. B-E-R-K. Burt, I got you. Yes. Yes. So, Ocho, can I get in?

Let me get... You in. Okay. Since I can't come, I'll just give your boy a shout out tomorrow then. Just give your boy a shout out. You know, like the DJ.

Like the DJ. Yeah. Like the DJ. When the DJ walk in the club and so-and-so, so-and-so in here tonight. Yeah, yeah. I see my boy

over there popping bottles. Ocho. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just send me a little shout out on TV. I'm going to be watching. I see my boy over there popping bottles. Oh, Chuck. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, just send me a little shout out on TV. I'm going to be watching. I'm going to record it so I can show my kids. So I want to make sure. Thank you, guys.

Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Nightcap, you've done a great job. Let me go back down here. I got to pull my dog up, my special guest on Wednesday night on Nightcap. Make sure you hit that like and subscribe button to Gil's Arena channel.

It's on YouTube. Make sure you like, make sure you subscribe to Gil's Arena channel. Monday show airs Monday through Thursday live at 1130 a.m. 230 Pacific time. Am I correct, Gil?

Yes, sir. 11.30 a.m. Pacific to 2.30 Eastern time. We've also pinned Chez by La Portier at the top. Make sure the holidays are right around the corner, guys. Make sure you go grab a bottle for you or a loved one. And again, thank you. Thank you so much for helping Nightcap reach officially half a million. Ocho, we got to do something special.

We hit a million, Ocho. We got to do something special. Oh, I got something for y'all. What are we going to do? What's up? I heard you like, was it Be Nasty? Hey. I'm about to send her and one of her friends

right to you on me. There you go. Hey, get your covers out. You need your grandma covers on the couch when she come in town. You got to get ready to shake them covers, boy.

Hey, man. it just hit 500. I'm going to be gumming right now. Go ahead and build my music. I'm going to be gumming right now. One more for good measure. All right. One more for good measure. Cam production says, don't listen to Ocho. He's trying to get you fired on your day off.

Nah. It was supposed to be my day off. Wait, listen. If I get on there, you ain't getting fired. But you're going to get a raise. I'm going to make sure you get a raise now. You do. I mean, I mean, obviously,

like I said over the last four months, Stephen A and I have become very, very close. But for him to trust me to say, okay, hey, big boy, can you do it? And for the bosses to reach out and say, hey, we want you to do this obviously it means a lot um and knowing because i was like oh man i'm like man i got i got i got nightcap

wednesday and you want me to do thursday for i got nightcap for thursday and i got club shay shay i'm taping club shay shay at noon. So by the time I get from down, you know, get downtown, eat, I got to head over to the spot and do a taping. But you can't ask God to give you something and then complain about how much you put on your plate.

You said you was hungry. That's what you say, we said we were hungry, we wanted this. We cannot complain now about. We wanted this. Yeah. We cannot complain now about how much you're giving us to eat. I like that. Mm-hmm. And so that's what I'm going to do.

Gil, we had someone in the comments say, Gil, who's on your Mount Rushmore for the Lakers? For the Lakers? Yes. Magic at the one, Cole, LeBron, Kareem and Shaq?

Well, I mean, you got to start in five. We just wanted four, but we'll let you put five. Then Shaq. Man, you sure they put Paul Kareem. The man just fell in a concert, broke his hip and he still can't get no love

I'm just one more person disrespecting him I just got in line I ain't doing it Corey Higgs says he tried the urine treatment on his ankle and he can now dunk I told you all you got to do is heat it up, man

something about the toxins in the urine that absorbs all the swelling and anything in there, man. It had you back to normal in two days. I'm good. I don't want to be back to normal. I don't want to be normal. Life lessons ask, who's more athletic, football players or basketball players? What you think, Gil? That's a good one. It's more athletic, football players or basketball players? What you think, Gil? That's a good one.

It's different athleticism. I think overall, like, jumping ability up and down, I think football players. Yeah. Like, when it comes to just max verting, it's football players. Yeah. I think we're more athletic. What you think, Ocho?

Man, Hoopas, I mean, Hoopers got bounced, man. Yeah. It's some Hoopers that got bounced. But I think, I mean, I mean, it's different types, it's two different type of athleticism and movements in general. Right.

Man, that's crazy. I'd probably say football players, especially based on the position you play yeah I agree I think it's football players also Thunderclap what position Gil they're asking you Thunderclap ask Gil what position would you play in the NFL

who's the dude that's right next to the Gatorade thing is that the water boy who's the dude that's right next to the Gatorade thing? Is that the water boy? Yeah. That equipment guy. Hey, I'm not going out there getting hit.

You see how hard they hit? No. I got, I played Pop Warner, played for the East Valley Trojans, tried to quarterback sneak. I woke up as a basketball player, knocking my helmet off and everything. I'm good in this sport.

Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. No, thank you. That's a good one. Funny story. Jalen Dorsey asked, funny story,

Monday night, my girl yelling in her sleep, had my heart rate about 200 beats per minute. I could hear my heart pumping. Just had to ask, have y'all ever heard people around you sleep, sleep talk or sleep walk? Yeah. Uh-uh. When I'm asleep, I'm sleep.

You ain't never heard anybody talking to sleep? Man, when I'm asleep, I'm sleep. The fact that I was able to answer that phone call and you woke me up. I don't know how I did it, but... I'm a light sleeper, though. Gil, you ever heard anybody sleep, sleep talk or sleepwalk? No, I've never heard anybody sleep.

I've never heard anybody sleepwalk, but I heard people talking to sleep. Oh, seriously? Nah. Yeah. Mm-mm. Nah, I'm sorry. They don't usually spend the night, huh?

Nah! They don't usually spend the night, though. Babe. how you spend that man Kel Kel B89 said Ocho I'm shooting my shot I'm a wedding photographer and a damn good one I want to photograph your wedding you love saving money I'm doing it

for free as a fan how do I get in touch PS love the show hey boss man, anything having to do with the wedding, that's on the Mrs. N. So you would have to send her a message. She will respond, especially for something as important as that.

And saving money, we, you know, her and I are on the same page. So she will respond to you if you send her a tweet. And I'm sure she will oblige. I appreciate it though. Oh, Joe, I want to thank tweet. And I'm sure she will oblige. I appreciate it, though. Oh, Joe, I want to thank you for,

I don't think you were asleep. Huh? I don't think you were asleep, but I appreciate you coming on. Listen, if I wasn't asleep, I wouldn't have on my robe. I jumped out the bed, hooked my laptop up,

put on my robe and put on some glasses just because I knew I had to wear that massive damn robe. Well, I couldn't. Trust me, I was asleep. I couldn't thank everybody for $500,000 without you. How that's going to look? You're right.

Well, listen, I mean, shit, you're leaving me off first take. Shit, you did that. I tell you what, when we do three quarters and a milli,'m gonna let you have it you're gonna take the whole show by yourself wait what

that's your whole you're gonna take you're gonna take nightcap you got nightcap all to yourself whoever you wanna have on you have rail you have the kids

I'm gonna let you have it wait when we hit what when we hit what though we can hit either 750 or a mil I'm gonna let you have it oh let me tell rail I can get to 750 by a meal. I'm going to let you have it. Oh, let me tell Rel. I can get to 750 by next week.

Don't do that. What? I'm just saying. You got it. You can have whatever gas. Hey, you set the lineup for the gas, whoever you want to come on. Matter of fact, speaking of gas,

I saw Moneybagg Yo say he want to come on as a gas man. When? It's on him. So we got his 750 first, right? Yep. Okay, bet. Yep. I heard it.

I heard it. But we are, but we are, you know, we trying to get some things together for, you know, that big trip we got. We got a big trip? Oh, you're talking about over there with the spear at? The spear? Okay. I'm ready. Let's get Denzel. Let's get Denzel.

I don't know if Denzel gonna be there. He'll show up. I mean, he does like sports, but I don't know. We got to keep it strictly sports and then let him log off before we go into the other stuff. Now, he would be good on life lessons about discipline, about sacrifices. Oh, yeah.

And so it would be interesting to him because Paulette, what Paulette, they call her Paulette Washington, she sacrificed she was a classic pianist you know, John David, which is his oldest son, all of them are in the business, they work in some capacity either in front of the camera, behind the camera I think John David is really the only one that's in front

I think the others are behind the camera so it would be interesting to see a career that spanned four decades and to how he was able. She, I mean, if you know them, you know her, but she never like, for whatever reason, she's like, okay, baby, you go do your thing. I'm gonna hold his house down. I'm gonna make sure the kids have X, Y, and Z. You go ahead and build this empire.

Takes a special type of person to do that, don't you? Yeah, it does. Yes, it does. Thank you for joining us for a special edition of Nightcap Basketball. I want to thank Gilbert Arenas for joining us. Make sure you click, hit the like button, subscribe, hit the subscribe button. We are now officially 500,000 subscribers on Nightcap. We could not have done it without you.

Make sure you like and subscribe to Gil's Arena channel. It airs Monday through Thursday, live at 11.30 a.m. Pacific time, 2.30 p.m. Eastern time. We've also pinned Chez Balaportier at the top of the chat. The holidays are right around the corner. Make sure you go ahead and order yourself yourself a bottle or for someone that you love your boy gotta get

to bed cause he gotta get up early tomorrow cause your boy gotta host first take me and the crew I don't know who's gonna be on there with me but we're gonna have a great time what you gonna do soon as first take start tomorrow what you gonna do I was like hey how y'all doing I ain't been on TV in a

long time so I want to say Ocho can I get you know can I get in can I get in like I mean have mercy so you see what I'm saying Gil as soon as I get

I just got the job at Foot Locker he already want me to sit a pair of shoes aside I used to job at Foot Locker. He already want me to sit a pair of shoes aside. Who did the manager give me the jersey? Have you ever seen it? I used to work at Foot Locker. Soon as you start at Foot Locker, you get a family discount.

Yeah. Facts. You get a family, you have a family discount. As soon as you on first take tomorrow, I need to hear. I ain't got no family discount. I need to hear.

Ocho, I know you watching. I love you, baby. I'm going to get you on here one day. That's all. I don't know you watching. How. I love you, baby. I'm going to get you on here one day. That's all. I don't know you're watching. I know you're watching. Oh, I'm going to be up because I'm going to be waiting on that shout out.

I'm going to record my TV and I'm going to tweet it. I'm going to tweet it out. If you... Yeah, that's my boy right there. That's my boy. Yeah. I appreciate you guys.

It's time to call it a night. Gail, thank you for joining us this Wednesday on Nightcap, the special edition basketball. If only you could do, appreciate your insight, the lessons, the stories. Ocho, Nightcap, we're back again tomorrow. Thank you for joining us. All right, Gil. I'm out of here.

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