Nightcap - Nightcap - Lakers' title chances, Draymond's antics, Zion's weight issues

Episode Date: December 14, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas discuss whether LeBron and the Lakers can win a title this season, what the Golden State Warriors should do about Draymond Green after he was ejected for punching Jusuf Nurkic, the discourse around Zion Williamsom's weight, Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, and Bradley Beal playing together on the Phoenix Suns for the first time, and much more! 00:00 - Introdution02:25 - Giannis drops 2511:00 - Suns lose to Nets14:00 - What trade should Lakers make?26:30 - Draymond gets suspended indefinitely36:00 - Charles Barkley roasts Lakers46:00 - Klay Thompson's struggles continue1:04:00 - Zion's Weight issues1:15:00 - Much More Nightcap! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you again for joining us for another episode of Nightcap Basketball Edition. I'm your favorite sports unk, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number zero, Hibachi. The man once played an NBA game in some Dolce and Gabbana. Yes, he did. Dolce and Gabbana.

Some lifestyle, activewear, outerwear sneakers. He did that. Gil with Arenas. Gil, how you doing tonight, bro? I'm good. Thank you for having me. Man, thank you for joining. You know, we're going to get into this a little later, but you and I have been trying to put something together for quite a while behind the scenes. Both of our teams were working tirelessly trying to get this thing together because we want to show people, look, Gil has this thing going and is doing great. I've got my thing with Ocho and Club Shea Shea doing great.

But we want to show people that we can work together because a lot of people see all because of going back and forth on YouTube and on Twitter and this and that. Nah, Gil's like, hey, bro, what you want to do? You want to do something? Let's find something we can do together. And so here we are. Hopefully this is a sign of many more things to come, but let's jump right into it.

The Bucks beat the Pacers 140-126. Giannis has a career high 64 points, breaks the franchise record that was held by Michael Redd, 57 points. He was 20-28 from the field, 14 rebounds and four steals. Before we get into his game, the game was kind of got overshadowed because it looked like the Pacers was holding the game ball for ransom.

What would you take away? What transpired after the game, Gil, before we get into what transpired during the game? Hey, that's history right there. 64 points. I would have stole that shit too. Hey, I would have stole it, too. Then when he came back and said, hey, bro, can you sign this?

Hopefully he forgot about it. But, you know, just like anything, that game ball is special to the people who did it. I had to do the same thing. When I hit 60 against the Lakers, I had to go find it. You had to chase it down? Yeah. They were trying to keep it because that's a game ball for them to play another game.

The next game is probably one of their favorites. So when someone does something special with it, they still want it. Yeah. That game ball is only special to you. It's not special to the Lakers. So they're going to try to back out there again. But if you look after the game, Gil, the Bucs got the Bucs coach, assistant coach, had the ball.

I'm trying to figure out how did the Pacer guy end up with the ball? Hey, give us the ball. It's just one of those things because it's part of their organization. So they're trying to collect all the balls that they have out today because

like anything, you'll see X's on the ball means it has three X's. That's the game game ball. They're trying to just collect the ball and yannis like whoa whoa whoa nah that's me right there and he was basically telling laura pierce and ty uh tyree's halliburton go get that effing ball you go tyree's like bro what i gotta do what i'm over here talking with dave i'm over here i don't want no b i don't want no b beef. He's like, go get the ball. Giannis was hot. He was even hot after the game. The interview,

he was still seething because he felt that the Pacers were trying to take a part of history. And you're absolutely right. 64 points. I don't care who it's again. 64 and 64. And you look at some of the greats. Jabbar played in that uniform. He got 64. And so obviously some of the greats Jabbar played in that uniform and he he got 64 and so

obviously he wants the game ball let's get into the game Yannis 20 of 28 14 rebounds four steals I think he was like 24 32 from the foul line Gil yeah when when you watch the books and you see Dame and it's only what 20 games into the into the season. When you watch them, what do you like and where can they improve? The two players that we do see and we expected to play well, they're playing very well. Dame, out of the last 21 games

or just the 21 games this year, he's scored 20 points in over 16 of those games. Giannis, 19 out of the 23 games. They're playing 19 out of the 23 games. They're playing very well, right? Their third option, Middleton, ain't doing very well.

Right. The guy that's supposed to be the steady, that steady third option for him. It's like when Drew got traded, he got traded. That's what it feels like. Half of him is in Boston probably. Okay.

And he's only scored one 20-point game in the whole season so far. How much you think that is health-related? You know he had that surgery on his knee. I think he had surgery on his wrist or another extremity also. So how much do you think that is just age and attrition? Or how much of that you think is related to the knee surgery that he had? No, I mean, no. the health is a big thing. You know, that's that that is probably one of the bigger problems with him personally. But at the end of the day, you know, when you're trying to,

you know. He won a championship, right? You know, that that injury is hindering, you know, the movement of this team, right team. The team can only do so much. Gianna can only do so much. We need the other parts that's going to go against the Bostons and the Phillies. I've watched the Bucs for like four games. I've watched them four games. I was at the game in which the Lakers won the end-season tournament on Saturday. And my takeaway is that they don't play a lick of defense.

They're looking to push the tempo, make or miss. If you miss it, they're looking to get the ball off the rim and push it up the court. If you make it, they'll take it out the net and still push it up the court. Because I watched the Lakers get 86 points in the paint. And LeBron missed like three or four layups.

AD, they could have had easily 100, 106 points in the paint. It's hard when you have that kind of offensive rating, but you're dead last across the board in defensive rating. When you watch the Pacers, what's your takeaway? Because maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think they can compete. I don't think they're very serious contenders with that type of defense. No, right now, you know, the Pacers is a fun team, right?

They're a very fun, up-and-down team. They're young. They don't have defensive concepts, right? They have miles back there, but he can only do so much by himself. Right. But for the structure of the team itself, they don't have enough pieces that's willing to do the extra. Like when it comes to being a defensive team. Yes. extra. When it comes to being a defensive team, don't let them score on the first opportunity. Give no blow-bys. Turn a little bit so the help can help.

They're one of those teams where you can just straight-line the whole team. Yeah, they don't even make you kick the ball out. You just drive to the basket and just lay the ball up. Because, like you said, you got Miles Turner, you got Matt Brown. That plays a little defense. Buddy Hill's not playing defense.

Tyrese is not a defensive guy. McConnell, he's a scrappy guy, but he's only like 5'10", so he can only do so much. So they don't have enough pieces. I agree with you. They need more pieces in order to play defense. But like you said, they are a fun team. They're the type of team that you're like, oh yeah, we're going to

score 130. We might get up 136, but hey, you're going to get your money's worth. It's not going to be one of those 96 to 90 type ball games. That's over for them. They don't even have the patience to play 96 to 98.

It's Phoenix Suns all over again with a faster tempo. Those are the teams you score 64 on. They're going to play positions in the game that everyone's going to be able to eat. Right. The Pacers are first in points per game, averaging 128.5. They're second worst in opponents' points per game, giving up about 125 games. So they're fun to watch, but I just don't know how far they can go.

Now they did beat the Celtics in order to advance to go to Vegas, but I don't believe they can beat Boston in a four game series. I don't believe they can beat the Bucks in a four game series. I definitely don't think they can beat if Giannis

got 64, Joel Embiid gonna get 70. They ain't got nobody to do it with that locomotive. He gonna get 70. You know the bad part too about even on the Bucs side, you have two first-team all-defensive players

back there, and y'all are struggling on defense, which is weird. We are. I've always questioned the two first-team all-defensive players back there, and y'all are struggling on defense, which is weird. We are, yeah. And I've always questioned the metrics of defense. How do you gauge it? Because some of these guys aren't real defensive players, but they're winning these awards. And this is a prime example.

You lose one defensive guy, you still have two first-team all-defensive players. Bill Gabbard, yeah. Bill Gabbard, yeah. Right? And that's the funny thing about teams where, first team all deep. Bill Gabbard. Yeah. Yeah. Right? And that's the funny thing about teams where no matter how many defensive players you have individually, if they don't know how to play together, they become a bad defensive team.

Yeah. Gil, I look at it like this. And what I tell people in football, if you're good offensively or you're good defensively, if you're a good offensive team and you say you're a good offensive team or a great offensive team, can you go get points? Can you go get done when you need to get it done?

Okay, in basketball, if you're a defensive team, can you get a stop when you need it? Yep. Because if you can't, it doesn't tell you. All these great defensive stats that we're number one in steals,

we're number one in block shots, yada, yada, yada. But if you can't get a stop when you absolutely have to have a stop, what good is all those stats doing you? No, that's facts right there. Right? The last five minutes, the last two minutes really dictate

the outcome of the game. You know, in basketball, we tell ourselves, right, make enough plays to win at the end of the game. Right. You know, so the stars can take over. Okay. The N nets beat the suns 116 to 112 spoiling the suns big three debut but devin booker 34.6 rebounds 12 assists kevin

the red 27.6 rebounds four assists bradley bill 15 points on six of nine shooting two or two from three the big uh the suns big three oh and as a trio. What were some of your takeaways from that ballgame? How much space? Even though they lost this game, how much space was Booker open, Beal open? There was

a drive. I think it was like 67-68 and Booker came off the pick and roll. And Bill's just sitting at the top to keep by himself. And I'm like, man, that's too much space for a guy like that. And all three of them healthy now playing, they're going to be trouble, you know, come down the line. But again, Gil, who are they going to stop?

You got to be able to get, who are they going to stop? You you gotta be able to get who are they gonna stop you gotta be able to remember that we just said can you get a stop when you absolutely have to have a stop who's gonna be able to sit down in that chair because nurkic is not a defender bill book kd who you got is gonna i mean what you're gonna do what you're gonna do you know so funny at this point man when you're talking about real defense, right, without any lockdown defenders, what's the concepts, right? Are we pushing them as we can? Are we pushing them, keeping them on the baseline,

keeping them on the sideline? As long as you're playing by principle, right? Okay. Keep the man in front of you, right? But it's hard to play defense in today's game when everyone can shoot the ball. Yes. Yes. And there's so much space space there's so much space on the floor even the bigs you used to condense the floor because your bigs couldn't stretch it they couldn't shoot the basketball but with the exception of maybe five bigs in all of basketball everybody can shoot the three

and hell even the guys that can't shoot will jack it up. And that's the thing, is that when you look at, but Bradley Beal only nine attempts, he used to get at least 15 to 20 attempts. Not this first game, huh? This first game, he's trying to get a feel in. He's just trying to get a feel in. You're trying to ease in. You ain't trying to

really do too much. Just what he did, he going to catch cramps tonight. Right. You think they can make a deep run? You think they're serious, serious contenders? Yes.

In the playoffs, it's all about matchups. If they're clicking and they get the right matchups in those first couple rounds, then they could go to the Western Conference Final, maybe the championship, especially if everyone stays healthy. Survived San Antonio winning 122-119. The Lakers gave up 45 points in the fourth quarter. They gave up 34 points last night, and the Mavs lost in the fourth quarter. AD was dominant again, 37 points, 10 rebounds, four steals. Torian Prince, 17 points, five rebounds, five assists. Kobe of the Ozarks, Austin Reed, 15 points, eight assists, four rebounds. Rui was 13-7. What did you like about the Lakers?

Except that fourth quarter. Nothing. Because that fourth quarter showed us exactly why we need LeBron. Right. And why we need to make a trade. Right. We don't have really enough players. We have a team.

Right. We have a team, right? We have pieces, but we don't have nothing we can hold our hat on. We're playing the Spurs. Yeah. Our road record is horrible, 4-8, right? 5-8 now. 5-8, yeah, 5-8 now. We just, like, we need to go ahead no matter who we play.

I think the next 10 games we got, what, Spurs, Knicks, Bulls, Heat, Grizz, Clippers, Raptors, Suns, Jazz, Thunder. We should go eight and two. We should. Right. And we still need to make a trade. But, okay, what? Okay, this is what we know.

AD and LeBron are untouchables i believe i believe they list austin reeves as an untouchable that's cool i believe they believe him as an untouchable but all other are rui d lo so what what what do they need what exactly do they need another shoot another score do they need another ball handler what do they need we we need another score? Do they need another ball handler? What do they need? We need another score. We need someone to take the pressure off. See, right now we're playing, for the most part, two on five. Right. Where that means ten guys are really paying attention to two players, which shrinks the floor.

When you have D'Lo who's not shooting, when D'Lo's shooting, it's good. But when he's taking like nine shots a game, that's bad because Prince and Reddish, they're doing the same thing. shooting is good. But when he's taking like nine shots a game, that's bad because Prince and Reddish, they're doing the same thing. But 22 of them, they might take 10 shots, right? Prince played well later in the game. But for the most part, both of you guys are there

for defense. I don't need that. I need someone to take the pressure off offensively for LeBron and AD. So the trade could happen. Prince, Rui, D'Lo, that's 39 million. Zach Levine's at 40. Swap them.

But from what I've been reading, and I don't know if you're hearing the same things in the circles that you travel in, they seem to be more interested in DeMar DeRozan and maybe a Caruso than, say, Zach Levine.

Okay, when you bring in DeMar, DeMar is a better fourth quarter player, better gamer, better right now, today. Right. Zach Levine is a future with AD. When LeBron goes, you know, he's only... Okay, yes, okay. He is a future with AD. When LeBron goes, you know, he's only... He is a highlight reel, so he can put people in them seats on that fast break.

You know, DeMar at 32, 33 years old, you know, I need something where... I'm looking at it, Gil. I think the Lakers, like, we're trying to win right now. We're not worried about when LeBron's gone. We'll worry about getting somebody to pair with

AD, but right now we got a 38-year-old about to be a 39-year-old LeBron James who's still at the peak of his powers. Let's get someone right now and we'll cross the bridge a little later, but right now let's start on our march across

the bridge. Well, then you shrink the flow a little later. But right now, let's start on our mark across the bridge. Then you shrink the floor a little bit more because the Rosen is more of a mid-range attack. He can shoot the three, but he doesn't shoot the three. He's my finisher.

Damn if you do, damn if you don't. I like Levine because he can attack the rim. He can shoot the three. He can attack the rim. He got his lob. So you don't lose. You don't lose with it.

But if I had more shooting, I'll take DeMar. But since I don't, I want to take Zach Levine so he can open the floor more for LeBron and AD. What did they say about you going to – because they believe last year what really hurt them is the lack of depth. And right now they have a very deep team. Now you believe that they – okay, I will trade some of that depth in order to get a better piece to put with LeBron and AD.

You say depth. Where? in AD. Did you say where? I don't want to bitch on me. You can use them. Well, I think they're looking at defenders. They're looking at

Vando. They're looking at Terry and Prince. They're looking at Cam Reddish as your mainland defenders. Now, Cam has

shown a propensity and lately he's knocked down the corner three. He's really good at the corner three. Prince has really good at the corner three. Prince has gone through a hot streak over the last three to four games. He seemingly can't miss from the three.

But if you give up those three players, you are going to shrink your bench some. And although we know come playoff time, you shrink your bench automatically anyway. So we're not worried about that come playoff time. But you don't want to burn through LeBron's minutes and his legs playing him a ton of minutes before you get to the playoffs, correct? No, no, yeah. Facts. That's the real problem right now is, you know,

just like tonight's game, right? You know, you're up 20, up 18 in the fourth and a sorry team comes back, right? Because you don't have the depth that you think you have. Yeah, they're good when LeBron's on the floor, but they're not good by themselves.

I mean, the fact that they didn't shoot, no one else shot free throws until the end of the game. When Prince got fouled, when he was fouling at the end. Other than that, that means for 47 minutes, no one attacked that basket to get fouled. How? Right.

That's not even possible. If you really look at it, the only people that's really capable of attacking the basket is D'Lo and Austin Reeves. Once LeBron is out, those are really your only two guys that's looking to put the ball on the floor, put their head down and can get to the rim, finish on either side. Now, obviously, they don't have the layup package like a Kyrie

or a Steph Curry or a Luke or something like that, but they will attack the basket. We know LeBron is looking to attack at every time. But what I did like about AD, AD kept pressure on him. AD is not settling. You know, last year, AD was shooting that fall away. He's falling away. Nah, AD, get your big old butt down there on the block.

You know, you're not Joel Embiid, but get down there and punish them smaller guys. I like the fact that, hey, I understand you're a shot blocker, Wembley, but you ain't ready for this. You need about four or five more years on you to get seasoned because you're not right now. I got to give it to AD because he's

doing what he's supposed to do against weaker... Hey, take this. That's what we've been complaining about. When you have a I got to give it to AD because he's doing what he's supposed to do against weaker. Hey, take this. Right. That's what we've been complaining about. When you have players on you. Yes. Punish them.

Stats. Yes. That's what they for. Hey, that's what they in the game for. Yes. Again, to get this whooping to make better players later on in life. Correct. Yes. And I think that since AD is playing the way we expected him for the last

three years to play, we can lay off him a little bit and look at the rest of our, our line. I think because we paid attention so much to Anthony Davis, that we really haven't been watching what we've been collecting over the years. I think the biggest thing is, is that,

is that we expect so much of him and we saw what he was given because when they traded for him before the pelicans and he you know they fell out with each other ad was averaging like 29 and 12 so we know what he's capable of doing we saw the man get a 60 20 game so we know what he's capable of nobody Nobody just cares because he's in New Orleans. But when you come to the big stage of the purple and gold, and that's the home of the big man, Mikan and Chamberlain and Jabbar and Shaq, bro, you got to play on a nightly.

There are no off nights when you play for the Lakers. Any other team, you might can have an off night, but not the purple and gold. Yeah. If Giannis wasn't playing Giannis, Jokic and Embiid, if they wasn't balling in the MVPs, I think we wouldn't be on Anthony Davis so much. I think it's an American thing right now. Gil, do you remember what AD did to Jokic in the bubble? I know. Did you remember what he went

down at that playoff right before and what he did to Giannis and what he did to Embiid? I know. Those are the expectations. You can't give us 40 and 16 one night and give us 11 and 8 the next year.

We just can't have that. I'm not saying give us 40, 20 back-to-back nights, but you can't give us 40 and 16 one night and give us 11 and 8 the next year. We just can't have that. I'm not saying give us 40, 20 back-to-back nights, but you can't give us 40 and 16 one night and 11 and 8 the next week. You giving them young boys that headache and they growing up now. Now they want that smoke back. They want that smoke back.

And that's the problem. You kill them when they're young. When they get old enough to defend themselves, they want that smoke back. That's all. Oh, yeah, I got to get my lick back. I got to get that back. No, no, no.

You're not going to drop 40 and 10, 40 and 15 on me and think I'm going to get my lick back. Someone named Chad Johnson just donated $200 saying, I love you guys. Ocho. Ocho. Hey, man, stop running around. Hey, man, stop running around. Hey, stop running around telling everybody you beat me.

We know. So we supposed to keep that on the low. Nah. Nah, they call him tell it for a reason. Because if he do it, he going to tell it. Hey, he was fast. I didn't know he was that fast. Oh, he fast now.

I ain't going to lie. I got that work by he fast now. I ain't going to lie. I got that work by some football players. I'm not going to lie. Because I wasn't expecting them to do what they can do. Right? And they're a lot stronger than the average basketball player. Hey, was it Porter? The right receiver from Oakland.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. J.R. Porter. Yeah, J.R. Porter. Man. He he he drop step monkey dunked on me like I was a little kid, man. I was like, oh, man,

who is dude, man? That was playing like some little all-star game and he drop step just boom. Like, oh, no, no, no. I'm not taking boom! Like, oh! No, no! I'm not taking this shit from these crap. No! Wimby said before the game he prefers

Braun's nickname of Alien over Unicorn. He said, I hate it when people call me a Unicorn. I must rather people call me an Alien. Unicorn really isn't original. What did you take away? What did you like about Wimby? What did you saw in life?

Because he was going against one of the better players and AD can score and he can defend. And he gave him 30 and what? 30 and 13? 30 and 12? Hey, hey, he's coming. Like he's tapping into his ability. He's tapping into what his gift is.

And, you know, once you get through the NBA games and you realize what you see on TV, ain't all Superman. Right. Everybody ain't Superman. From your TV, everybody look good on TV. Yeah. You get up close, you start seeing their weaknesses and you start feeling the game for yourself. Like, I belong.

Yeah. Like, all it takes is one game, one moment for it to click on and say, yo, I'm a part. I can play here. Ocho said he can play for the Heat right now. All it takes is one game, one moment for it to click on and say, yo, I'm a part of this. I can play here. Ocho said he can play for the Heat right now. They got a G League. They got a G League. No, no, no.

Have you seen the talent over in Miami, man? They that bad? Hell yeah, they that bad. That's the YMCA team. And we all can play for them oh oh you haven't dribbled a basketball in probably 10 years and you and you know about any oh joe and what i try to tell people it's hard no what no matter what profession you in especially if it's a skill profession where you're using your hands-on coordination you just can't sit that down it's like oh yeah i'm gonna sit this down for three or four years and just come back and pick it up and pick up where you left using your hands-eye coordination. You just can't sit that down. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to sit this down for three or four years and just come back and pick it up and pick up where you

left off. Nah, nah, nah, you can't do that. But the players, they got over there. Hey, Ocho, you got a chance with the players on it. They're just going to be in well, good condition. Right? You're going to have to put the McDonald's down a little bit. Yeah, for sure. The NBA is suspending

Draymond Green indefinitely joe dumars the nba executive vice president and head of basketball operations said dray repeated the history of unsportsmanlike unsportsmanlike acts was considered in the decision to suspend him indefinitely this is the sixth time in his career he's been suspended draymond is expected to receive counseling and work with the Warriors and NBA while suspended. He has met the criteria. He has to meet criteria before returning to the court. But Chris Haynes report that Draymond will be allowed to continue practicing while serving his suspension. But what kind of holler? So you mean to tell me I can commit a crime and I can continue to work, continue to go do what I do.

And then, you know, and not go to jail. I mean, what is this? So, so, basically he ain't suspended suspended, right? Right. He just, he just taking some time off. Hey, this is, uh, was it a load man? It's load management.

Load management. It's load management. But he's just not getting paid, huh? Hey man, listen, I? Hey, man, listen. Oh, hey. That'd be tricky. It depends on who's suspending him. I think the league's suspending him. But Dre got to stop this.

He got to stop this. I mean, come on now. I get it. But one of my problems is, why is the Warriors involved? Because it's you that's allowed this to go on. I would have thought after Dre got suspended in 2016 for game, what game was that? Game five. Game five.

He said, I cost my team a championship. I can't put myself and my team in that predicament again. And lo and behold, he constantly does it. So I'm just trying to figure out where is the disconnect between Draymond, and I get it, he's the heartbeat, he's the enforcer, but he's going over the line continuously.

You're right. Listen, you can't turn it off. That's the problem. You have to be able to take the good with the bad. No different than Dennis Rodman. You turn off what you don't like, might turn off what you do like.

So with Draymond, he's reacting in real time. When you look at the things he's doing, it's not like you can see it building up. There's no build up to this. This is just reaction in real time and then boom, explode.

So what ends up happening is if you take away and you start making him think, you might lose the heartbeat. Okay. That's the only problem. I like aggression, but I love controlled aggression.

Because right now it's uncontrollable. He's a ticking time bomb. So, you know, everybody gots the dog that, you know, when somebody come in, he's like, he's growling and everything, and it's all fun and game until he bites someone. And then all of a sudden, it's not funny anymore. It's not cute anymore. And that's what's happening with Draymond.

He, he, go up to the line. You can even look over, but you can't step over. At what point in time? Because you know what? They're going to tolerate until they can replace you. At some point in time, they're going to break this thing up. And we're going to talk about Klay a little later.

Because right now, the only one that's worth being there is Steph. Ain't no kind of. It is Steph. But Draymond, he continuously put. And I could see if he had done this and they got KD, they still got enough to overcome it. But in this situation, this is not the Golden State Warriors

of 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19. They can't overcome this. When you're, if they were 17 and three, we wouldn't even care. But the fact that they're struggling, would he have done this at 17 and 3? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, he's going to do this no matter what. It's who he is. It's who he's always been, right? The ticking time bomb is ticking all the time. And that's what makes him great. The reason I can't, like if I'm talking to him, I can't tell him.

I can't convince him to say, hey, man, you're going to have to calm it down. When I got in trouble in the locker room and I told myself, don't be Agent Zero no more. Because Agent zero himself was a daredevil right i was a oh you hey you said hey i'm about to jump off the building i see you make it here i come because that's fun right right fun i you you could you can dare me to do anything right but that's what got me in trouble so if i don't want that person anymore, I got to take away my whole aggression. So then I became docile. Now I'm not the same person anymore. So when Lakers are like, yeah, we need Agent Zero, he's no longer here.

You don't want that to happen with the leader. Wow. Yeah, but let me ask you a question. How long, how much longer are the Warriors going to tolerate this? Because it seems to me they're at their wit's end. Because he's becoming more problem than he's worth. If I'm winning championships, I'm making deep playoff runs. Oh, yeah, yeah.

It all depends on where you're trying to go moving forward if you're trying to break this thing up you got to go if you're if you're trying to build like okay within the next three years we're trying to get back to the championship you got to keep them right trade clay get rid of wiggins try to get into paul george and try to make a trade to put Steph back in position to win, then you need Draymond. But if you're going to break this whole thing up, Draymond got to go first. This thing like a marriage, Gil,

you know, you see a lot of professional athletes get a divorce once they done with it because all of a sudden, them farts smell, they don't, you ain't making self-made $10 million. They're a little stinkier now. I ain't got to put up with this. You hanging out with your boys, I can tolerate that when you-made $10 million. They're a little stinkier now. I ain't got to put up with this.

You hanging out with your boys, I can tolerate that when you bring home $20 million. Now you ain't bringing home $20 million, I can't tolerate it as much as I once could. So we need to go our separate ways. Well, Draymond, we can tolerate this when you help us win four championships in six years. And we were the preeminent team in the NBA.

Now all of a sudden, we've kind of fallen on hard times, Draymond. I don't know if I can tolerate it like I once could. They like a marriage when your career's over with. Hey, we've all seen it. We've all seen it.

Hey, man, hey, bro, you married, you need to go home. Man, she cool with it. Man, she cool. Now, all of a sudden, you married. You need to go home, man. She cool with it, man. She cool. You know, now all of a sudden, you ain't making that money no more. All of a sudden, you not in the limelight no more. And you come home, where the hell you been? Hey, just a year ago, I was out with the boys. It wasn't a problem.

It was a fucking problem now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want me to be docile? You better get back in the league. Other than that, you better be normal. The 30 women you had before better go down to this just me. Right? And that's just how it is.

Well, listen. Someone said that. I forgot who said it. Said the referees are eavesdropping on their conversations. But I think the refs are trying to keep it because we know what talking leads to, Gil, because somebody's going to say something and get their feelings hurt. That's just the way we wire.

That's football. Y'all wire like that. Y'all fighting people with your helmet on, with your helmet off. Y'all build like that up. We got some sense a little bit. Y'all think... You see this right here. Y'all be like that. We got some sense a little bit. But y'all ain't going to... No.

You see, like, this right here, the choke cost him 800, right? Yeah. This is going to cost him millions if he don't get his shit together. Right. So NBA players, we not really trying to fight.

The rest eavesdropping is... That is the problem. Like, you're trying to stop us from doing what? When most things that happen are a problem. You're trying to stop us from doing what? When most things that happen are a reaction. And most things that happen is because y'all are not calling that whistle. If you do your job,

we can do ours. But the fact that you don't want to do yours and we sitting here going back and forth, let it happen. Let it happen. You're trying to stop stuff from happening when most of the things are just right here

on an instant play. It ain't when we jabbing back and forth. When was Draymond talking to Nerkich? No, he didn't say anything to him. Not a damn thing. What did he say to Rudy

when he put him in that figure four? Not a damn thing. Well, they should have suspended Rudy Gobert's teammates for letting that happen. That's who should have got suspended. Because Cat

and Ant-Man ain't do nothing. I don't care. You ain't running up on my teammates. No, no. You grab your teammates. I grab my teammates. You ain't touching my teammates. Facts. Like, that's just the lay of the law for you. Raymond did was correct. What happened was, they grabbed

you see what he did? When they grabbed Clay, he's like, oh, y'all got Clay? I got your man. I got your man. I got your man. I won't out. That should have been an NBA orgy over there, Mark. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream

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I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran-Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Check this out. The Lakers' in-season tournament banner. Charles Barkley said, you don't do champagne for in-season tournaments. If the Lakers put the in-season tournament banner up, I'm going to roast their ass on television.

I got one question. Is it a championship or not? It says championship. The problem is we don't know where this is going to be moving forward. You think they're going to

do away with it? Let me ask you a question. Is it more or less likely they'll have an in-season tournament next year and the next year and the next year or are they going to do away with? Let me ask you a question. Is it more or less likely they'll have an in-season tournament next year, and the next year, and the next year, or are they going to do away with it? What's more likely? I think this is a new thing.

It seems successful, but why is Charles Barkley talking? You don't have to ask him. You ain't raised no banner, period. If he's laughing, that championship, is he still giggling when Phoenix Suns in 93 put up the Western Conference banner? Because he was happy when that went up. Exactly.

And the ones in Philadelphia, when they hung up his Western Conference banner, was he giggling and sniggling? No. No. Because here's the thing. What I've heard, Gil, is that it's gimmicky. Let me tell you something. And I'm old enough.

I'm a little older than you, Gil. I know something that they instituted in 1979. Chris Ford was the first one to make one, the three-point shot. They said it's gimmicky. They need to do away with it. Now, if you can't shoot the three, you can barely play on the court in the NBA game. So how's that? No, that's facts.

They don't pay attention to history. There was no shot blocking back when Wilton was doing it. So the fact that they're improving the game. The point line got moved in. Yes. Two feet. Right? So

this is the first year of it. 20 years now, we're going to be sitting here talking about, oh, he got 20 in-season tournaments and five NBA championships. He's just the first one. That's the problem. I totally agree because I believe it's kind

of like the play-in tournament. The play-in tournament was gimmicky. Now look at it. Yep. And that counts as a playoff appearance for the team. It wasn't even the playoffs. And the Lakers got in the play-in tournament and went all the way to the Western

Conference Finals. So, I think the problem that I got is that people pick and choose. Because I think the problem that they got is that LeBron won. Because had LeBron had not won it, we wouldn't have any problems. Everybody would have been cool with it.

Because now that he win, it don't mean anything. Had he not won, he can't even win an in-season tournament. Now that's facts. If Denver would have won it, it just continues with their dominance from last year. If Indiana Pacers would have won it, they would have got some TNT games or ESPN extra games moving further in the season. So it is that LeBron's won it, but that's what's going to make it stick.

Right. But here's the, let me ask you this. You played against Kobe. So in other words, and Jordan, and as competitive as they were, they tell the story that Jordan, Roy Williams told a story that he beat Jordan in pool and Jordan went play pool for two weeks. And people have told the story of Jordan and he quit.

He wouldn't do this. He wouldn't do that. And we know how ultra competitive Kobe was. So if they'd had this thing, if David Stern had instituted this, so Jordan going boycott, say, man, I ain't playing this gimmicky thing. What's Kobe going to do? Say, nah, I ain't playing this gimmicky thing. What's Kobe going to do? Say, nah, I ain't playing this gimmicky thing. Or are they going to try and win?

That's a tough one. The reason because as long as it's there, they're going to try to win it. 100%. Jordan's going to win it. The Bulls team is going to win it. If Kobe is in a position to win it, he's going to win it. But Kobe was the same person who was arguing about the new ball that came in.

Yes. And he said this. He said, if Jordan didn't play with it, I don't want to play with it. Don't help me try to break records. Let me do it on my own. If Jordan didn't have this ball that helps him go in, don't give that shit to me me and that's one of the reasons that the ball got boycotted

because they're like those guys are like nah I don't want it if Jordan didn't have it because the ball went from spalding it used to be spalding and now it's Wilson am I correct? Yeah but this was a spalding ball it was that fusion ball yeah it's kind of like that feeble ball yeah yeah yeah hey I ain't

gonna lie huh hey you let it's kind of like that FIBA ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I ain't gonna lie, huh? Hey, you let it go with it. Yeah, that motherfucking 60 in that one. 60, 50, 40, 50. Oh, I was doing work in that ball. George Carl. You know, I'm really sick of George Carl. I've never met the man, but I'm already sick of him. He tweeted the bubble banner, in-season

banner stitched together would be like one whole banner. You didn't win anything. You know what? I just want somebody. Can somebody can one former player tweet supportive of George Carl? Is there any of his players that like him to play for him?

This is George. This Matthews, right? This Matthews or Matthews or George Carl? George Carl. Hey, when you don't like him, you got to say his middle name. Matthew. Matthew. Yeah, Matthew Carl. The one who benched Kobe when he was 18 in that All-Star game.

And Kobe hated him since. Averaged 32 points a game and 17 matches in the playoffs. And George Carl with them dynasty teams he was having. The man won five. He had 550 plus seasons. Out of nine times to the playoffs, he was out the first round, eight of them. That's George Carl. Yeah.

He should go ahead and shut up. And I think he might have been the first one seed to lose to an eighth seed when the Nuggets beat the Supersonics. Yes, sir. In 94. He's an underachiever. Actually, we should thank him. We should thank him for 92.

See, people don't know. Matthew was coaching the Spain team in 92, right? That's what he won. He got a championship in 92 over in Spain. Okay. Yeah. But he was coaching those players that MJ was running through. Oh, yeah.

You know, when we beat them by 41. Oh, yeah. That was his team. That was his team. Again, Gil, we know why the bubble don't hold significance to a lot of people. Who won the championship in the bubble? Bron. Had anybody else won?

Because what I heard, what people have been trying to tell me for the longest, that LeBron James is the most mentally weak NBA player that they've ever seen. But he was the only guy and keep his team and himself in that confined space for three plus months. So if you're so mentally weak where you can't go nowhere, you got cabin fever at the yin yang. How was he able to stay so mentally focused while all the mentally tough teams and players succumb to the pressure? Because mentally weak is something people just throw around because of tweets and stuff right me week is is what the clippers were right oh i don't want to be here why should i go there i'm scared for that's mentally weak

when when you're talking about being in the jungle fighting against players that are saying, I'm just here to win. Right. Right. You've seen what Booker did in the bubble. Right. They went 8-0, mentally strong. The guys who went there just to go there, they were mentally strong. Right. Now, from there, it's about basketball. The weak, the mentally weak didn't focus on basketball. They complained about everything but the game itself. Right. Right? And that's the problem. Like, you're mad at the team who was more disciplined.

That's all. Yeah, Clippers, you can be mad all you want. Clipper fans, you can be mad all you want. But your team is the one who's complaining about everything. We can't go to the strip club. We can't do that. That's mentally weak. But if you notice, all of a

sudden, you notice they didn't want to be there once they got kicked out, and they was up 3-1. Now, when they was up 2-1, they was up 3-1. Whoa, we want to be here. This is what it's about. We're playing the game we love. No distraction. You get chased down,

all of a sudden, we didn't want to be here, man. We had checked out, and we heard people saying it wasn't going to matter, so we checked out. Really, dude? I heard that. No, listen, listen, listen. They checked out just like Doc Rivers checked out, right? They checked all the asses out of that hotel.

So, in other words, they cost Doc his job. No, no, no. Doc cost himself that job. He a 3-1 playing golf every day. But Gil, the players just said that they want to be there. Hey, hey, this is a true story. Game seven. Game seven, huh?

They come in the locker room. Everybody focused. Doc talking about his golf score that he did early today. Not the game itself. So he was speaking on just his golf score that he did early today. Not the game itself. So he was speaking on just his golfing. And somebody mentioned to him, I hope you're ready to coach today. Because if you lose, there's going to be a problem. Because he was not focused on the game.

And he was out of that. Listen, during the game, I heard during the game, he done hit Elton Brand. Hey, man, you got a job open for me? What? What? I'm throwing a little extra on halftime. Yeah. A week later.

Yeah. Kind of like the Draymond situation when he's in the parking lot and he called Katie after LeBron chased him down 3-1. Very similar situation. You know, I added a little yeast to the story so it would have grown, but you'll get the idea of it. You got it. Klay Thompson turned down a preseason contract this summer worth $48 million.

How big of a mistake was that? At first, I was like, man, that was dumb, right? I thought it was, but when you're making 43 and you jump down to 24 being Klay Thompson, right? I'd rather take my chances in free agency, right? I think financially it's a better move because no matter what he averaged this year, 15 and above, he can get two year 48. Right. He can get that. So if I know no matter what I do this year, my name, Clay Thompson, I'm averaging anything from 15 to 20. The least I can get is two year 48.

So I'm not going to sign this deal. Okay. Because I think what's happening is that they see all the money. See, the worst thing you can do is measure your worth by somebody else's contract. And what they're seeing is that these guys are getting money and I'm better

than him. I'm better than him. And he got five years, 185. He got six years and this and that or five, three years or whatever. And now all of a sudden you're like, well, I'm better than him. I'm better than him. And he got five years, 185. He got six years and this and that, or five, three years or whatever. And now all of a sudden, you're like, well, I'm better than him. And y'all only offer me this. Because everybody wants a max contract at 34, 35, 36.

And you and I both know, Gil, that's not happening unless you are the elite of the elite of the elite. Now, LeBron, guess what? They'll probably give LeBron two more years, 125 meetings. Facts. But he's still playing at that level. Klay can't look at it and say, well, I won four championships in six years.

Well, we already gave you a max contract for that. Yep. We've got to pay you now based on what we believe you would do in 24, 25, 25, 26. I can't pay you based on what you've done. I gotta pay you based on what I believe you can do. Now, actually, correction, they are gonna,

they paid him off what he did in the last four years. Right. So it's 19, 20, zero. He ain't played no games. He ain't played no games 2021. He played 32 games 21, 22 where they no games 2021. He played 32 games, 21, 22, where they won a championship.

He played 69 games last year and he's playing 22. So basically in those four years, he played 101 games, right? You worked 48 million for two years. You know what I think, fuck? You know what I think? Screwed him up.

You know what I think screwed him up? This contract right here. Three year, 93 million out of Middleton. I think that's the money. I wouldn't be mad paying Clay three year

93. I think if they would have offered him three year 93, the same as Middleton, I think he would have took that. No, I can't. but here's the thing. Is he worth that? Now, I can't... Was Middleton worth it?

Well, they didn't expect Middleton to have those knee issues because Middleton, remember Middleton in that championship, Middleton was giving people the game that work. He gave that work. And the worst thing that, and the worst

thing that really can happen is that you have an injury that you have to get opened up in your mid 30s. Now, that's a problem. Now, you don't have the youth and recoverability on your side. Because

you already got up and down a lot. You got a lot of mileage on those legs. And now you have to go be the sculpt or you get a meniscus or whatever the surgery is. It's kind of hard to overcome that. At 33, man,

trying to squeeze out a four year deal to put it at 37, I know that's the ideal. But it's one of those things where the bottom line is two year 48 and I know he's not starting off the season the way

he would have hoped. Right? I'm pretty sure he wish he would be averaging about 25 right now where they can get this deal done right now. So he can get some stress off. But the fact that he's playing horrible is a two-year 48 even on the table now.

No, no. If I'm them, to be honest, I'm going to just wait till he goes. If he keeps the same up, 15 and 19, I'm going to let free agency dictate what he's going to get. And then I'll just match it.

Right. Okay. Right. I mean, I might lose him. I might lose him. But I'm going to be banking on this is where he lives. The only team I can really lose Klay to is probably a Los Angeles team. Lakers.

Probably. That's who I'll be worried about, but then I'll probably throw in some extra lean on that he's been here four years. This is where he's been. Because considering the Lakers will probably be only, maybe they'll go that extra year and maybe not 24, maybe that extra year,

they'll partially guarantee it. So instead of the full 24, maybe we guarantee 16 of it. Hey, they got the money to do whatever they want to do. Yeah. so instead of the full 24 maybe we guarantee 16 of it hey they got the money to do whatever they want to do yeah well both got money but I'm just leaning on

hey what's going to happen though they could mess up let's say with Draymond's already gone if Steph missed some times and Clay get in about averaging about 28, 29 a game for about 15 to 20 game span, whoo, is he still that guy, O'Gill? Is he still capable of doing that?

Because you got that ACL and that Achilles, it robbed him. It robbed him of what Klay was, an outstanding two-way player. And granted, as any player, as they start to age, they can't sit in a chair like they once could for an extended period of time. And you said something very interesting that made me think, is that you

said Clay never improved his game from being a catch-and-shoot, you know, guy, spot-up guy, and he's great at it but my retort to you how difficult is it to get a guy to do something different when he's had such success doing it that way why would i improve why would i why would i take it with some why would i improve i mean and i know you see steph steph added the layup package because Steph used to be an outside guy, outside the paint guy.

Now Steph added a layup package. He's even more deadly. You hug up on him, Steph will go by you. Got great handles and can finish with either hand on either side of the rim. Klay didn't take his game to that level. It's a personal thing. Are you working out to improve or Are you working out to improve or are you working out to get stats

and get achievements, right? Like, I don't want someone who works hard, right? I want a hard worker. That means their self-improvement is what they build

their foundation on. You're number one right now, right? you from working every hell no i'm trying to maintain that yeah trying to the same thing like when if i see a flaw in my game when i go into the summer and i look at synergy right oh you know i'm going right i i'm bad at the left i'm bad at this corner the first three the first two months of the uh summer, that's what I'm attacking. I'm attacking those weaknesses. I can't hide behind championships,

MVPs, because the greats didn't. The greats improved every year after every year. They couldn't prove anymore. And that's where I don't see Klay. I don't see Klay improving. Yeah, you got four rings. Cool.

You have a scoring title? That's what you should be trying to get scoring titles. You should be trying to be the man on a team. That's how you should be going into the summer, working. Averaging 17 to 21 your whole career? That's cool. But what about like, okay, as I start

to get older, let me add something to it maybe not let me maybe now let me put the ball on the floor and take it instead of you know and i understand the three point is more valuable than the two but let me put the ball on the floor and maybe i can get to the rim because people are going to look to chase me off the three instead instead of sidestepping to clear space maybe i put put the ball, take two, three dribbles and maybe kiss it off the glass from 12. What's so funny is I remember when

I had, I value Clay more valuable than Steph at the beginning of that dynasty. I said, well, one is 6'7". If he can learn how to dribble the ball, I can put him at the point and then get a bigger shooting guard. I've been saying the same thing. Learn how to dribble.

Like what you do right here, you've learned that since you was little. That doesn't go nowhere. If Steph Curry took the summer off of shooting and worked on ball handling and stuff, he's still going to be Steph Curry. Right? You don't lose that. I can go in the yard right now and make 75 out of 100. And I ain't shot in months. I'm lying. I'm lying, y'all.

Yeah. I shot this morning. I'm lying. Exactly. Because you're looking to catch somebody on the hustle. You're looking for the come up. You're going to catch a man? Man, I ain't shot.

Man, I ain't shot like three, four months. I tried to get him up. I know you did. Somebody was going to fall for that. Check this out. KD has some very interesting things to say about Dre, the post-game presser. He said, that was insane to see.

Never seen that in an NBA game. He hasn't been that way when I was around or coming into the league, so I hope he gets the help that he needs. Bro, that's two people say Dre needs some help. Two people on the same team. They said it. No, we've seen him do the antics um i think you know players like them man when when the team ain't good the frustration's higher yeah i think his job as as the as the

the the heartbeat i think it beats harder, faster when you're losing. Like, he don't have no time to relax. Like, he's trying to figure out how to will this team to win. When you win in every game, the antics don't come out. The antics are starting to come out when you're losing and your backup is against the wall. Yeah, but Gil, you know how this thing works. You remember when you was going and, you know, your backup is against the wall. Yeah. But, Gil, you know how this thing works. You remember when you was going 60-70-15?

When you was going 73-9 and you beat the hell out of everybody? So guess what time? Well, guess what happens when it's time to get my lick back? I'm trying to tear your ass up, too. Yeah, and he ain't. You remember, Gil, in the third, the start of the fourth quarter, hey, Golden State Warriors, Steph playing Draymond the start of the fourth quarter. Hey, go to state warrior,

staff playing Draymond. They on the sideline, it'll build up a 30 point lead. Now team's trying to build up those 30 point leads on bass. Yeah. And, and he ain't going out without a fight. Obviously. I say,

man. Yeah. It's, it's a, it's, it's a very unfortunate situation, but my thing is the warriors. I, the only problem that I got with this, Gil, yeah, Draymond was wrong, but the Warriors. Draymond has been this exact way.

Now, all of a sudden, you want to intervene? Now that you want to have an intervention, it's like, okay, Draymond, we're going to put our armor. Bro, y'all should have stopped this. Y'all let the man clip Jordan Poole no matter what Jordan Poole said. He didn't deserve what Draymond did. But I fought Jordan Poole because you know when you argue with a man, as long as you're on

one side and we argue it, we fine. But I'm not going to let you close the distance, Gil. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm getting that first one off. And I'm not going to let you walk up on me and then you nah ain't no shove

because the moment you see him at your peripheral and you can tell the different tone I don't know how it is but you can tell the tone when somebody like

okay dude might want to do something okay so now I got to go to a different place mentally because all of a sudden that old fun level hey you ain't gonna do that you ain't gonna do that you different place mentally. Because all of a sudden, that old fun level, hey, you ain't going to do that.

You ain't going to do that. You do it all that talking. Now, all of a sudden, I got to let, okay, you're going to get what you're looking for. Yeah, but we ain't like that, huh? We ain't like that. You know what, Gil? I keep, you know what?

I've heard NBA players say that. But being in the NFL locker room, it's a different level of testosterone and machismo. Because even if a guy has to take an ass cut, he not going to let you punk him. He not going to let you walk up on him. Because he, first of all, he can't. He can't.

You can't. I don't care if it's a d lineman and a wide receiver i don't care if it's a running back or the linebacker respect is everything so yeah yeah see when you only got 15 players and really you count on eight right for the most part most of the stuff is not personal right right you know it's rare where i hate you on the court and off right like like like me and karan on the court we bumped right off the court boom we go right right off the court me and antoine never hung out on the court that's my go-to guy right you know what i mean so you know it's rare that you don't like each other off and off that. And when that happens, you need to get traded.

Right. Oh, for sure. Well, first of all, you punched me. Somebody got to go. Either I'm going to a different team or I'm going to jail because we got to fight every day until I win. Everybody been built like you, huh? No, bro. Gil, you not fit to let no man just punch you in your face,

and y'all go back and like, okay, we're going to play 82 games together. That's why I had that thing in the locker room, huh? Okay. Hey, they told you. Hey, listen, that wasn't the first time, huh? I remember Karan wanted to have a meeting with me. I had the thing on me in the locker room. Just in case.

Just in case, huh, Pop? Just in case Just in case I'm part Just in case Back up Back up But I mean But Gil I mean you had to feel I mean Bro you brought the Desert Eagle

I have a Desert Eagle And I don't know What you got I got the 44 mag You got the what The 50 count Bro Man that thing You pulled that thing I like the Joker in the first Batman.

He pulled that thing out and it kept coming. Is that a shotgun with a pistol grip? Is that a handgun? Hey, I couldn't shoot him. I didn't shoot him. I just had him. You just tried to scare him off, huh? I'm not scared.

We ain't trying to shoot him. I just had him. You just tried to scare him off, huh? I'm not scared. We ain't trying to fight him. Listen, we ain't got muscles like that to be trying to fight nobody. Hey, I just got the muscle to scare him off. I ain't really trying. I only got old now. I only got too old to hustle, Gil. I ain't going to lie to you. I got too old to hustle. I'm going to get my car and drive away. This might help clear up the ball situation.

Rick Carlisle said in his post-game interview, he said there was a misunderstanding about the game ball. It was Oscar Toshibi, right? I think it's Toshibi, the guy from Kentucky. First official NBA points, and we always get the game ball. So we're not thinking about Giannis' franchise record, unfortunately, in that situation. So the guy that scored

64 points, he going to lose the ball to a guy that scored two. Ooh. So they gave it to their own. Oh, Giannis going to have eight. Hold on. Check this out. Gil, the game was in Milwaukee. How

the hell do you think, Indiana, you get to keep the ball? I just thought about that. How the hell do you think, Indiana, you get to keep the ball? I just thought about that. How the hell did they get to keep... You gonna get to keep the ball? Rick, you bull... Hey, Rick, that's some bull jive. Hey, I can tell you this

right now. That bus ain't leaving. That bus ain't leaving. Hey, listen. They probably done switched that ball anyway. So the one Giannis got ain't the real one. If he did get it. Ah, man, that's the deal. Giannis dirty like that, they done put the okey-doke on him.

Listen, because it's the same thing. My first two points, especially that's tradition. My first two points, because you can't take that back. That's my career. But to be honest, I never heard no shit like that before.

I never heard nobody. Hey, hold on. You know that, first of all, I've been in a lot of games, and I know when running backs had great 150, 200-yard games. I know when receivers had 200-yard games. I know when quarterbacks threw for three. I understood. And now, obviously, the ball's the difference because every team got their ball.

It's not like basketball where everybody, you know, the basketball is the basketball. You shoot with that ball. you shoot with that ball we shoot with that ball but in football the broncos got their ball the raiders got their ball but you mean to tell me that you you didn't know yannis has 64 points the man dropped 26 on you in the fourth alone come on rick Rick. They want him to pay for it back. Yeah. They want him to pay for it back. That's all that is. Wait, hold on. What's up?

The NBA's going to get that ball. What the hell are they getting it for? Do they get the ball or the shoot? They get one of them. The NBA gets one of them for the... Oh, okay. For Springfield. Yeah, they get one of them. The NBA gets one of them for the... Oh, okay. For Springfield. Yeah, they get one of them.

They're going to get something. Like, I'm trying to figure out, was it my jersey they got or my... I should have been at that game. I should have been in Milwaukee. I said, Yonah, can I have your jersey? Him not realizing. And that'll took...

That'll took our running. The NBA gets one of those. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe Zion has been overly criticized? No. Why not? Because if

we do not criticize him, that means we accept what he's going to be. If he keeps up the same, if he keeps gaining weight, right? If he keeps gaining weight, then we've accepted it. So we're like, all right, we're fine. We're going to call you a bus and just move on to the next star. So the fact that we're still talking about him means we still see the potential of what he can be.

Right. I agree. see the potential of what he can be right i agree but i think i i think the problem is more people care than he does because at the end of it at the end of the day gil is a personal choice i can't and i just want to tell my kids all the time i can't want something more for you than you want it for yourself and right now there are people that won't Zion to, to, to get his training and his eating under control more so than the Zion wants to get it under control.

Cause that's what it is. And even if, even let's just say if, even if he has an eating problem, no matter what your demons are, we create those demons. We must chase them away so and the thing with Zion

I understand but again Gil when you look at him and he's doing what he's doing he's giving you 30 and 12 and he's 200-300 pounds what incentive does he have now if he was giving you 6 and 6 and 8 now he's like man I need to lose some

weight but because he's having these outburst I need to lose some weight. But because he's having these outbursts, but he should have said, you know what? Look how many games I've done missed. That's a direct reflection of my conditioning and I'm too heavy. Let me do something about it. You know what the problem is?

Have you noticed he's heavier now than he was in training camp? He's heavier now than he was in training camp? He's heavier now. Yeah. Because in training camp, you're doing a lot more running as opposed to now because all you get is the game and then shoot around. Ain't nothing really going on.

Yeah, and that's the problem is he's trying to be normal and this ain't football where you're coming to practice at 6 a.m. and you leave in, you know, 6 p.m. He probably, to be honest, he probably not even burning a thousand, not even 500 calories working out every day. So that means he consciously at 23 years old have to sit at, go home and do two hours of cardio. So he has to really just, I'm going to diet, I'm going to work out. And that's not what he was built on. He wasn't built on that type of discipline. That's going to take real self-check.

As soon as the summer hit and he has to lock in and say, all right, I'm going to go into the summer, and I'm going to lose 60 pounds. He can't do that in a season. No way in a season. Not during the season. No, no, no. No, no, no. It's done.

Right now, what's going on? It's done. The season's over. You can't expect him to lose 30 pounds right now. No. Flying, partying, eating, traveling, sitting. No. He ain't losing no weight right now.

That is damn near impossible. He better get on some Adderall. He better... They better check off that drug, Tessie. I think the thing, Gil, is what I tell... And people ask, well, Shannon, what's discipline to you? It requires you to do your best when no one else is watching. You see the problem?

I bet you when Zion... When people are around Zion, eating chicken breast, eating a little pasta, you know, he eating, you know, he eating fruit. But then we, listen, bro, you can't fool people like,

but Shannon, an elephant, all he eat is grass. Yeah, but he eat 500 pounds of grass. So yeah, you can overeat even if you eat nutritious, which he's not. And big, I've never seen someone be a big young people normally grow to be big old people. Yeah.

And big old people don't live long. Yeah. Now, listen, everyone killed me when I called it out. And luckily, me and him are still cool because I called it out. I called it out when he was in college. I said, 18 years old, 19 years old at 285. That's not good. Yeah.

So what you think? If he's 285 at 18 and you know, 18, man, I can eat anything I want to. Yeah. It kept it. I kept a 12 pack. And I ain't talking about in the fridge. Hey, I mean, I couldn't really walk around into somebody. I was locked up.

I had so many muscles. But as I started to age, you have to work. Because as you start to get old again, you either have to work out harder or eat cleaner. And sometimes you got to do both. Yep. Or both. B-O-A-F. Both.

Both. But the thing that people say, well, Zion needs a personal chef. Zion needs personal accountability. They acting like he don't have a chef. He got a chef. But you can't be cooking etouffee. You can't be cooking jambalaya. You can't be cooking gumbo.

You can't be cooking that. Hey, when a chef leaves, he got Uber Eats. Yeah. That's what he got. You can't be eating a Dove and be in Yates. It's just, he might eat when he's sad. He might eat when he's happy. Like, you know what I mean?

It's just, it might be his thing. Like, you know, it might just be his thing. And he's just going to have to lock in one day. Yes. Listen, I don't want this no more i don't want this for my life because to get something you've never had you got to do something you've never done before always you know i want to be an nba champion i want to be that next level i got to get rid of this food habit yes then it's not really it's not taking away the food. It's taking away at certain times of the day.

Right. Right. Or the portions. The portions. That's the thing. And so I, I just wish, I just wish I could sit down and talk to her and say,

Zion, people are like this because they care because if they didn't care, they would let you do what you would continue to do. Now you're going to do what you want to do, but don't think people are taking shots at you because if they thought you were a bum, they wouldn't care. They wouldn't. But people love you and they see what you can be.

Sometimes people can see things in us we can't see in ourselves. And I think this is a prime example. He thinks everybody is coming down. Well, if it's coming from a good place, where's it come from, Zion? Laughter. The jokes. We've been laughing at it for a while. It started in summer league when he was sitting on the bench

after his first game and had that belly. He's just packing a lot of weight. And I think they have to make it at 23 they have to make losing weight fun you got to treat him like a little kid come on baby good job you lost two pounds keep going it's one of those you're going to have the baby

it becomes a routine form where he's happy doing it yeah I believe the first person given his body type the first person he should have contacted once he decided he was going pro was Charles Barkley. Because Charles Barkley had a very similar situation. And Charles,

he said, Charles said, Moses Malone told him, you fat. It was as simple as that. You fat. Hold on. Not only are you fat, you fat and you lazy. So sometimes it takes blunt, harsh criticism for it to resonate and stop because maybe that's the problem everybody's like come on zion you know drop drop a couple no tell him the hard truth

and hopefully it resonates but i i want the guy to get it because we've never seen somebody that size, that explosive. He has a Ferrari engine and a Mack truck body. Yes. And he's moving it. The fact that we are laughing and talking about it, and he's averaging 23, 6, and 5. And the thing is,

the guy can win me, but here's the thing. When you that size and you that explosive and you jump up and down in an NBA game over the course of a season, the body wasn't made. A body that size wasn't made to do that. That body wasn't made to do that. Six, six times, six times the weight coming down. Every pound he gains, that's six times. He needs to be realistically... If he can get back to... He's only 23.

If he can get back to 250, 260... That'd be him right before he went to Duke. Yeah. If I'm him, I'm going to tell LeBron James, hey If I'm him, I'm going to tell LeBron James,

hey, I'm sorry, but I'm spending the whole summer with you. Yeah, for sure. Look, what you normally pay your chef, don't pay her because I'm going to pay her. I'm going to live in the guest house. I'm going to live in the guest house

and I want to see. That man got 21 years, and he going strong. And it looks like he going to be going for 22, 23, knock on wood, nothing unforeseen happens. Because he's going to get the call. He's going to call his shot. He's going to walk away when he wants to. Yep.

I'm bringing the luggage. Ain't no, hey, LeBron ain't going to be able to tell me no. Hey, I'm going to do LeBron like Kobe did Jordan. I'm going to nag the SHIT out of him. And you go, hey, come on, boy. Come on, son. And I'm going to take a like to it. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company,

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Man, at this age, man, I don't want nothing that that costs. Right. The things that I want don't cost nothing. Right. That's peace, loyalty, honesty, love. Right. Like. I thought you'd go settle for some potato chips. Like respect, like the things we looking for out of out of just a partner themselves I thought you were going to settle for some potato chips or a candy bar. No, no, no. Like, respect. Like, the things we looking for out of just a partner themselves

and people that's around, trust, dignity, loyalty. That's what I want. Because you can't buy that, though, Gil. You can't buy it? That's why. What about a shirt? Can we get you a shirt? Can we get you a pair of teeth?

Can we get you a pair of vintage Asian Z-Rolls? You can buy me some sandals, A, and be a cheetah. Right there, no thank you. I want what's free. I want what's free. I done got the sweaters and all that stuff.

I already know what the key is. Look, give me a card. My kids don't buy me anything. Just give me a card because they already done told me. Daddy daddy what can we buy you that you don't already have and you can't get yourself get your daddy a card and we good they're gonna stick some movie tickets but they don't do movie tickets anymore because i don't go to the movies like that but just give me a card but you know what i have i i was i was dating this young lady and I didn't tell her anything, but she was just very observant. And she had watched me over the course of like, and I've never said anything.

And she had three zero bars, candy bar zeros. You like the zeros? I love them. Man, that was... You like the zeros? She had three zeros. I've always drank ginger ale. And she had

the honey barbecue corn chips. And so, obviously the ginger ale was in the refrigerator, but the zeros and the honey barbecue corn chips were sitting there. And when I walked in, because she had never bought me this

before, but she just saw I would, and when I walked in because she had never bought me this before but she just saw I would and I just walked in and when I walked in I just gave her a hug I said thank you because I like

I like I like observing yes we was having we was having a conversation me and some of my teammates and they was talking about

you know their wife and all this and talking about Sharp you ain't even married I said I tell you what I'll bet, I'll bet you, I'll bet you, and I'll bet you. I'll bet each of you $100,000. I said, I want y'all to do, this is what I want you to do. Pick any fast food restaurants, Burger King, McDonald's, there's a restaurant called Black Eyed Peas or some bar row with a piece of place. I said, I'll tell you what. Call your wife. Tell her to go there. Go to one of these places. And don't tell her what to get you.

And you tell me what she going to get. Now, I'm going to call my girlfriend and I'm going to tell her to go to one of those places. And I'm going to bet you, you and you, $100,000 apiece. I bet you she'll come back with whatever I told you she going to get. Nah, man. No! Y'all talking about y'all

married and your wife know you so well. I'm gonna take my girlfriend in two years and I bet three of you are $100,000 apiece. Guess what, Gil? Ain't nobody wanna take the bill. Hell nah. But I say, I tell you what I'm gonna do. To show you how you lost your damn money, I've called

her. Go to Black Eyed Peas. And I hung the phone up. I said, I'm going to do. To show you how you lost your damn money, I've called her. Go to Black Eyed Peas. And I hung the phone up. I said, I hung the phone up. And I said, she's going to come. She's going to bring me corn. She's going to bring me a chicken breast, plain, rice, corn, green beans, and two rolls. And that's when

she brought them. I know she did. Absolutely. This is... When women ask me, and I told women, stop asking this goddamn question to men. Stop asking, what do you see in me?

What are you looking for? Don't you... We don't know until you give it to her. We have a vision, but you need to bring something that... I saw something. I'm here, I don't know until you give it to her. Like, we have a vision, but you need to bring something that I saw something. I'm here, I don't know. Yeah, like, bring me, like, men never been loved. We don't know how to receive love.

Yeah. Right? That's one thing. We're not taught how to receive it. So when someone, like, I don't know what I'm looking for, but when I see it, God damn it, I know that's it. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what it is. You, you doing the things that you, you're looking at my life and you're beating me to it. You know, I, Hey, you know, I put my clothes in a hamburger. Boom. It's clean the next day. Like, Oh, my sandals. Boom. It's clean. The

water's running at 5 30 AM. Cause that's when I wake up. You woke up, turned it on because you know I'm going to be getting up in 30 more minutes. You're doing the things before and I don't have to ask you for it. Yeah, but my thing was, Gil, I've had a couple that knew me

better than I knew myself. And because I ruined it because I was afraid. I'm like, how did she know me? But she just watched everything that I did. Everything that I said, Shannon, it's this one's birthday. Shannon, it's your mom's birthday. Shannon, it's Libby's birthday. Shannon, you need to do this. Well, such and such. It was just like clockwork. And it scared me so because I had never had anybody that took the time to get to know me like this and to know what I like, what I didn't like.

And to, you want me to pick this up? I'm going to such and such. What do you need? Do you want? And I effed it up because I didn't know. I'm going to such and such. What do you need? And it, I effed it up because I didn't know. I didn't know. Because growing up, that's not how

like, my grandmother never said she loved me. My grandfather never told me that they loved me. Love when you got a roof over your head, you got food in your stomach, and you got clothes on your back. That was love to me. And they didn't tell me, but I knew it. I could feel it. But as I got older, that's like, I didn't know.

My gifts is my love. That's the way I show you that I love you. I'm trying to get you things that everybody can't have. And my therapist said, Shannon, the problem that you have is that you and your partner speaks two different languages. You speak Mandarin. She speaks Spanish. Now, one of you guys need to learn the other one's language or it's not going to work. And that's my problem.

And plus the thing is, it was easy to say, you know what? During my career, Gil, it was easy to say, you know what, during my career, it was easy to say F it. I ain't working on nothing. The only thing I'm working on is my game. You ain't a part of the game. You go by. It's easier.

It's easier to give up when it's foreign to you. Yes. If you loving me this is foreign yes never received it before and that's that's one thing in that capacity yep and that's one thing that men we have to do a better self like ask your father and he'd be like, hey, like, how were you loved? Right? So I know what it looks like. Like, was it rubbing your feet,

saying this and, because we don't know. We think when we're young, breaking my window, keying my car is love. Yeah, yeah, hell no. You know who she loved? Me. That shit, hey, I got served, listen, I got served listen I got served on basketball court

they're like why you have four kids with her shit I thought it was love yeah I thought it was love not just

motherfucker just crazy yeah I mean it is a little love you ain't got no bleach on your clothes

you ain't got no bleach on your clothes it ain't love you gotta do it at least one time you gotta bleach my stuff up one time yeah but that's what we think is love. You ain't got no bleach on your clothing that ain't love. You got to do it at least one time. You got to bleach my stuff up one time.

That's what we think is love. We got to learn as men how to be loved. We know how to love a woman. We know how to be loved from a woman. We're getting it and we see a rough patch, we take it off. Gone. It's easy.

I can get six mold to just do this thing. I don't need this love. I can just do this part. Hey, how you doing? That's easier for us. Yeah. Sitting there just taking the responsibility sometimes. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, I think the thing is, I wish I'd have had the mindset, the mentality that I have now in my 50s, I wish I'd have had that in my 20s, Gil, because I'd have saved a lot of money and a lot of heartbreak from myself and some women because I know not only have I been heartbroken and disappointed, I'm sure I've done the same.

And I've let some good women go in my life. I know too for 1,000% certain. 1,000%. 1,000. And if I had it to do over again, things would be a lot different in my life. But hindsight is a magnificent

science because I have the luxury of knowing today what I didn't know yesterday. Two got away, two more coming. That's all you got to look at. Two more coming. They're coming down the pipeline,

but you only need one of them. But here's the thing. But how much time do I have to vet? The thing, Gil, Gil, I look at my life in summers. Bro, I got, hopefully, if I'm lucky, I got 25 good summers to go. I mean, you got to spend at least five of them

vetting somebody. What the hell? Obviously,. I mean, you got to spend at least five of them vetting somebody. Obviously, whatever vetting routine you got didn't work, god damn it. It didn't. No, it wasn't no vet process back then. Oh, you look good. Oh, you... You stacked up like laundry in the dorm room. Oh, come on.

You'll work. You know, back then, everything was based on aesthetics. Uh-huh. You look good, back then, everything was based on aesthetics. You look good, curvy. That worked. But then all of a sudden, once the allure of the curves and that face, now what? What am I stuck with? You hail, all you do is argue.

It's never good enough. The one thing that I hate worse than a woman is ungratefulness because I've had women no matter what I did it still wasn't good enough and that irks me because I'm giving you all I'm giving you all

and maybe that was my problem Gil is that what I was giving they didn't want or I didn't know what they wanted or I couldn't give them what they needed. But I gave them what I thought, because that's all I could do. I mean, I can't do I can only I can only be or give you what I think you want. And you told me at the time, that's why I'd like for me, I hate buying gifts for my for my significant other, because I really want you to have exactly what you want. I would just rather go write you a check or give you cash and let you go get it.

Because what I hate here is that I get something like, oh, and you could tell when they don't really want it or they don't really like it. I'm crushed. You know, we all have the same problem. We all have the same problem. But like, if I go out and buy something, I thought, especially with the time we have, we thought to go get you something. And I come back and give it to you,

and it's like, oh, okay, this is up. No, Dan, well, you came by what I just bought you, first of all. You can't give me what I just got. You think whatever gift you gave me is going to be good? I have to say, yo, because we don't get gifts. So whatever gift you give me, I'm going to love and appreciate it. Yes, yes, yes. I'm expecting the same

thing. So when you don't like this gift or I give you this gift and you trade it and all that, all you're doing is breaking my heart little by little. It break my heart. Man, Gil, I bought this young lady a Cartier.

Because here's the thing, this was during pandemic time. Maybe shortly, a little bit after. And it was hard at the Cartier store. You just, you know, back in the day, you just roll up on the Cartier store. But I had to make a reservation. Okay, I made a reservation

and I'm standing outside. Yeah, me, I'm standing outside waiting to get in the Cartier store. So I bought it. I was like, oh man, this would be nice. I mean, you know, hey, it's going to be... I saw it on there one time. Hey, man, and then women think we, like, see, that's what I said.

Women think, like, we play us and not realize our actions now are because of something that happens. Same thing. I bought Birkin bags, right? Yeah. And I had one custom. It took one year to make it.

Custom. Her favorite color. Custom just for her. Yeah. I seen it on eBay like four months later because they needed rent money. Never again. Not, I ain't giving you a gift card.

You can't even get a Starbucks $20 card no more for me. It happened to me because I got, you know, because I used to, I used to, I still buy some stuff occasionally from Louis Vuitton. So the guy would call when they get exclusive stuff in. They're like, Mr. Sharp, you know, we got this in. Would you like to take a look at it? So, you know, I would run down there and take a look at it. Like, yeah, I like that.

Get it. Man, I probably bought, probably had 25 of those bags between Gucci and Louis mmm and probably cheapest bag 2500 most expensive probably 10 bands mm-hmm we broke up she pawned them all every last one of them. See, see, so I was like, we, it wasn't, instead of that, instead of that deal, I would have rather her say, you know what?

I really need the money. Times have gotten tough. These bags that you, I'd have bought them back from her. Exactly. Oh my God. Yes. I'd have bought them back from her.

Uh, my daughters, I got a daughter. I got a, I got two daughters and I got a sister. I got two daughters, and I got a sister. Could have gave back. I got a homeboy. I got two homeboys.

They got wives. Pick one for your wife. I could have bought them back. I would have. I would have. That's the funny part. We already spent the money. We will spend more money just to get back what we, it's what our blood and sweat was into.

Right, cuz I would rather my daughters, my sister, my mom would have got a bag, my mom probably ain't gonna, my mom doesn't really want no bag like that. My homeboy wife, cuz at the end of the day, forget the end, in the end of the day, at the end of the, forget the end, in the middle of the day,

in the morning, all I want you to do is appreciate what I've given you. Cause I bust my ass to get you that. And that's, I think, I think when it comes to how we obtain our money, it's easier when you don't make it to spend it for us. So when we come out and we buy you stuff and we we we are willing to open up the pocket. But you have to really understand we're open up years of our work ethic for you. Yes. Years of our work. These are line drills I'm giving you.

Right? I'm willing to give you these line drills. And for you to just be like, it's cool. Thank you. Appreciate it. Throw it in the closet. It hurts. That's what hurt us. Yeah, for sure. Here's the thing. Here's another

question. Would you take before, not now, because I already know the answer now. Would you take $100,000 wired to you right now or a coin flip for $10 million? So before, before, before. So you're from Cali, right? Yeah. So let's just say 20 years, 20 years ago, 25, 20 years ago. Okay. Somebody says, okay, I'm going to

wire you a hundred thousand or a coin flip for 10 million. I got a flip. The only reason is I got a 50-50 chance to win 10 million. You got a 50-50 chance to go home with your hands in your pocket just like you came with nothing.

Hey, 20 years ago, I'm a high school kid. Shit, my dad gonna take that money anyway. That's what I'm saying. I say right now, I'm talking about right now, oh, it's a no-brainer for me. But you talk about me in high school

or college? Oh, damn, that coin. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna put the coin in my pocket and say, give me that, make sure you get that $100,000. I don't know. It's two N's. It's S-H-A-N-N-O-N.

I don't believe it, huh? No, no, no. Oh, no, no, no. Oh, I could. Oh, Gil. Gil, you have to understand, I didn't have indoor plumbing. I didn't have running water.

Do you know what $100,000 would have did for me in the 80s? I know, but that athlete is going to kick in. Yeah, they're going to kick in. You're going to see that $10 million just to flip? I got heads. I could have had somebody put some indoor plumbing in my grand house. I could have got some paddling.

I could have fixed that roof. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. I'm sorry. I was middle class. I didn't have to worry about nothing. Oh, hell, I'm not middle. Yeah, I was middle class. Hell,. I'm sorry. I was middle class. I didn't have to worry about nothing. Oh, hell, I'm not middle.

Yeah, I was middle class. Hell, I almost didn't make it to middle school. Oh, middle class. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, no. Oh, no, Gil. Damn, I went to school with Tia and Tamira.

Yeah, Brandy. Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, you showing up middle class. Damn, Gil. Is it on now? Okay. Hold on just a second, Gil. All right.

What's up, Chad? How y'all doing out there? Everybody good? Hey, Sunnyside. Yeah, I've never been on Crenshaw. You're right. Hey, Gil. Someone just donated five bucks

and they said, with you guys' level of fame and money, how do you know if someone is genuine or just wants you for your money? I mean, that's going to always be our Achilles heel because there's no real engagement of finding out if somebody wants us for us.

Right? You know, that's not I think turmoil determines that throughout the relationship. Yeah. We can determine that during or at the beginning. There's nothing that person... There has to be conflict. Yeah, it has to be conflict to see what happens. You know, even though we don't

want the conflict, it has to be to see if that person is going to dip on us or cheat on us or whatever. Yeah, it has to be. We have to go through something as a couple, because I know when it's smooth sailing, it's kind of like in the Bible when when the devil's told God that they the only reason Job served you is that you give him everything. He said, if you remove this hedge, he will curse his Barry Baker. And he said, look, you can take everything but his life. So if everything is always good, I mean, if you in the Rose or you in the Bentley, you got the BMW and we got the six, eight, $10 million home. We get to fly private three or four times a year.

We get the villa that's $15,000 a night for a week. What's to complain about? I need to see some choppy waters. I need to see some bumps in the road. I need to see some turbulence. And to see if you're going to walk with me. Because now, if I only see one set of footprints, when it gets rough, that's going to be a problem.

Because I know you left me alone. And you left me to do this by myself. And a lot of NBA players, a lot of athletes themselves are finding that out when they're done playing. When they're done playing, because that's when the road gets choppy, because that's when the player himself is trying to find out who he is. Yeah.

You're not the NBA or the football player no more. You are a husband and a father, and we're trying to figure out who we are, and those women leave without that. Because at the end of the day, Gil, you're absolutely right. Because at the end of the day, who are we?

No, you're not an NBA player. You're not an NFL player. That's what you did. Who are you? Well, no, no. Glenville, Georgia is where you're from. Who are you? Well, for the longest time, I was from Glenville, Georgia.

I was an NFL player that was my identity so at this present time I don't know who I am I need time to find out who I am are you gonna stay with me while I go on this go on this trek and so it's

tough and I'm not gonna tell anybody it's not but the thing is with me Gil for me is that I've been very, very fortunate is that if I got it, you know, if it's within reason, I'll help the person that I'm with. Because I've always believed that I'm going to get it back, but I'm going to get it back threefold. I'm going to get it back, but I'm going to get it back threefold. I'm going to get it back tenfold. So whatever I gave you 50, 100,000, I'm going to get it back. And then what? I'm

always going to win because I'm always moving in a place with a good heart. No ill intent. That's just the way I am. And if I could help somebody, I've been very fortunate that God has blessed me, given me the ability not only play the game that I love football, but to transition into my second career. The same thing with you, Gil. God gave you the ability to play at least a decade in the NBA, transition to your second career. And pretty soon people are going to forget that you were an NBA player. And then all of a sudden you're just going to be your celebrity.

I was, I was, I was a pretty good, you know, people forgot that, you know, Hey, I did play in the NFL and I was okay. I did. Okay. But, and so, but for me, it's, it's, it's hard. I don't know. I don't really know what the answer is without turbulence, without conflict. I don't know if we can ever find that diamond

because that's what makes diamonds is pressure. Yeah, you're right. And he said it. Yes, sir. So if... Someone donated 10 bucks, I think. JJ the King. Shannon, does...

Shannon and Gil, does money make you happy with yourself? The tangible product itself doesn't do anything for me. I love money for what it allows me to do. I can do things for my family I can only have dreamed of. My kids, my mom, my sister, my brother, my homeboy that they need something. I can help. Honestly, I buy very,

very little. My agent last year, because I hadn't bought anything for myself in a very, very long time. And this was going to be the last year they were going to make the Challenger in a gas model. They're going to the EV model. And I was showing it to my agent and he's like,

get it. I was like, nah, I think I'm okay. He said, nah, get it. He said, you haven't gotten anything. He says, every time I turn around, you're doing stuff for your kids, doing stuff for your mom, doing stuff for your sister.

At what point in time are you going to do something for yourself, Shannon? I was like, but, it's like, no. He says, you can only save so much and not be happy

because all you're doing is saving. He said, what do you think is going to happen? We got your trust in us. We got your trust in your state squared away. what you think is going to happen? We got your trust in your state squared away. You think they're going to save this money or they're going to enjoy it? Where you're making it, you probably should enjoy

some of it yourself while you're here. So, I went and got it. I went and got it. Like when people say money don't make you happy. This shit don't make me sad. I can tell you that. Nope. Gil,

you know what I say, Gil? Ain't no crying on the yacht. Ain't no crying on the yacht, Gil. And when you 35,000 feet up in there. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. You reached a comfortable cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. Sit back, relax, and enjoy your flight.

We got a travel time of four hours and 30 minutes. Oh, I'm feeling pretty good. I ain't crying. But for me, it's what money allows me to do. do that it puts my mind it puts my family mind at ease that health care and things of that nature gail things that i worried about as a child things that my family worried about as when i was a child or having to make ends meet or we gotta you know we can't pay the phone bill but we gotta pay the light bill we can't pay the light bill we We got to pay the gas bill. There ain't no more worries. And I tell her, I say, y'all, and even though I tell my kids I'm last option, not first choice,

I say, well, you guys should not have anything to worry about. Do what you're supposed to do and everything's going to take care of itself. My mom, I say, mom, why are you worried? I mean, worried about what? All you got to do is pick up the phone and call my sister. I've given her the green light. Whatever you need, it's done. It's taken care of. My sister, hey, I've given her the green light. Whatever you need, take care of it. Everything is taken care of. My brother, same thing.

He going to call, hey, bro, just wait. Bro, you good. So that's what the money does for me. I mean, have it like you know, I got it. But no, it's what it allows me to do. It's the peace of mind that it gives me, Gil. Because like I say, I ain't really spending no money on me. I'm spending money like my family.

I want to see them happy because my purpose, I found out my purpose is to work. It's to see people. It's to see my family and the people that I care about happy. I think the real thing behind does money make you happy? Are you making the money doing what you're gifted at? Yes. When I retired and I got all the money in the world, I was not happy

because I didn't do what I'm doing. I don't know who I am. I'm not playing what I know. Since 2018, when I got into podcasting, this is what makes me happy. And if I do it to the best of my ability, the money's coming,

but I'm not doing it for the money. Right. You can get 10 shows. I can be in here. I'm happy. Yes. On Sunday, I can't wait to Monday come. Yes.

But when Monday ain't around yet, come on Monday. I'm sleeping. I'm going to go to sleep early so I can wake up on Monday to do what I'm doing. These are the fastest years since I played basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Your purpose

and my purpose is the same, is work. That's our calling. That's where we get, that's where we're most at peace. That's where we're most in our element is to do this, is to talk about, like you said, to do what you love and to

get paid. I mean, think about it. Most people don't get an opportunity to do what they love. They're working a job that they don't love. And I can't wait't love and I can't wait man I can't wait till the weekend bro it's Monday you just came

off the weekend you just came off the weekend first of all you got another six hours on Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday and you talk about you can't wait till the weekend but to get up and to do something that you love and to do it for the people that you love and the appreciation that. My fans and my subscribers and my listeners. That's what that's what makes it worthwhile.

That's that's really what makes it worthwhile. Man, you can see it. I'm not even gonna lie you know I've been behind the scenes when we talk and I was like man listen all I pay attention to is the greats why they are great at what they do um you know the the jobs everyone's getting the the momentum everyone it's not on accident right you know I you you love this I can see it yeah you know what I mean and that's and that's when you're when you're doing it at that purpose, you can you can only be great at it. I think the thing is, the biggest thing for me also, Gil, is that I saw during the pandemic. Hell, I saw him print money. So why is it why do I need to be jealous of somebody else? Because they got a bigger platform. Let me work hard and see if I can grow my platform.

Hell, they print money. Yeah. And because you get some of it, that means it takes from me. We've got to get out of thinking that if somebody gets something, it's coming from me. No, this is just my opportunity. And people like, you know, people don't I don't think people see the work that goes into something

like what we do. People just think that we click the button and we just start talking. But there's a lot of work to come up with a format, to come up with a rundown, to come up, obviously, but when we talk about sports,

and I think it's the same for yours, people might come for the sports, but they stay for the stories. Yes, sir. Because of the relatability. Because you're talking about two guys, and you're talking about myself and you and Ocho, is that let's see how similar

some of the things that they've gone through is what I went through. Because sometimes people think because you got money, it solves all your problems. No, it might give you an opportunity. Sometimes you're better equipped to get out of situations. It helps you solve

them, but it does not absorb you of them. And so for me to do this and the opportunities that I've been afforded, to have people to help me get to this point and to push me and to be genuinely happy,

man, that's what it's about. Gil, that's what it's about, really, though, bro. It really is. I love doing the research part of it. I just, you know, just the media itself, right? When people talk about TNT,

ESPN, people don't realize when I go on those know, just the media itself, right? You know, when people talk about TNT, ESPN, like people don't realize when I go on those jobs, I'll call the directors, hey, what can I say? Which words is banned? Which words is illegal? I want to know it all. Like I treat it like basketball. When Dwayne Wade told me, say, hey, listen,

when you go into your second job, this is what you are good at. Don't go in there as Gilbert Reen is three-time All-Star, three-all NBA. You go in there as a beginner. Yes. You learn what the greats know. Pay attention to the greats. They're there for a reason.

Yes. You don't know what you don't know. Yep. And that's the mistake that a lot of people make is because just because you're good at something doesn't mean that you'll be good at something else. And are you willing to put the time? Are you willing to put the energy in it? Because for me, I work just as hard at this job as I did football, even though I was better at football because yeah, God gave me ability to, to be able to talk. But there's a difference between just talking when you're in the barbershop, talking with your homeboys and talking with a mic and a camera in your face.

Yeah, it's something entirely different. So, you know, we got a question. They said, hold on, get this. Gil, Tim Grover talks about how hard how you one of the hardest workers such as training. How was it? How was a regular day of training with him? It all it all depends. So like when I was with Tim Grover in the summer, I'll get up about 5.30, so 5.30 take my shower,

even still regimented day. Get up 5.30, shower, and then get there. So I'm gonna get there about probably about what, 7.15, 7.30. So I'm on the court there about probably about what, 7.15, 7.30. So I'm on the court about eight o'clock, eight to 10, eight to 11. My first workout take about an hour to hour rest. Then I'm back in the gym around two, two to five. Then I'm going to go eat dinner,

maybe depending on if I'm going to go back in probably about 6 to 10 and then have that final dinner. So I was working. I was trying to do, I was trying to really put in an eight-hour shift. Wow.

Because that's what Kobe was doing. That's what Michael Jordan, that's what I heard. You know what I mean? So I'm trying. When I heard Kobe went to a special ops guy, when I missed those two free throws

against LeBron, where's the special ops guy? San Francisco, here I come. Right? Like, I'm, the elite is the elite for a reason. Right. And if you only see

in what you're seeing around, you can only be this. Right? You know, like, there are all-stars in here, you know, but he's a superstar. Right. So I want to do what the superstars do. I went to Grover because Kobe went to Grover. Jordan went to Grover.

Give me, I'm going to give you my stuff. I'm going to give you my regimen. Is it good enough? Right. Right. my regimen. Is it good enough? Right. Right. You judge me. Is it good enough? So he can say, yeah, well, man, Jordan was doing a little bit more.

All right. Well, what else was he doing? Right. I went there to show him my work so he can critique it. Wow. And this is what I tell guys all the time. There's a price for greatness. and if you're not willing to pay that price you don't deserve to be great

facts there's a price there's a selfishness that you must have there is not one great player that's unselfish you have to be unrelenting you have to be demanding of your time and

give less than a damn about somebody else's. It's got to be. Look at the greats. Look at the greats. When you mention Kobe and you look at Mike and you look at Tiger Woods, the greats of the greats, there's a selfishness that is demanded.

It's mandatory. And people are like, oh, no. Bro, I'm telling you. And what's the first thing they say with a player that's good? Oh, you're too selfish. Yeah, because I'm trying to be great. Yes. Yes.

It's mandatory. It's mandatory. Like that you don't, I can't be willy nilly with my time. That my time is the most important. Time is the number one, is the number one currency. Don't let anybody tell you different. Because it's the one thing that you cannot recapture. If I lose a million dollars, I can go make two million and make it up.

But the one thing I can never get back is time. It's the number one currency. And then people like, me and my chat, we good. But, you know, like outside the mother chat, they be like, man, you arrogant. I work my ass off to be. What?

I work eight hours, nine hours over you. Yes. Right. I'm number seven. There's six people in front of me. I'm going to watch it. I want to be number five next year. The people behind me, fuck them.

That's not my problem. I work my ass off to be here. I'm going, yes. Because I know they're going to pay. Just like if I score 60 on somebody, I know they come in. I know they come in. When they come, I'm going to be prepared.

Like I was an athlete. I was an athlete. I'm going to wear it on my shoulder because I know if're coming. When they come, I'm going to be prepared. Like I was an athlete. I was an athlete. Like I'm going to wear it on my shoulder because I know if I don't, somebody's going to wear me on theirs. Yep. You're absolutely right. I'm going to be humble. No.

I work too hard. I work too hard to be humble. Well, the thing is now, Gil, is that we're in a different arena, something that we got a late start. See, a lot of people that's in this space, they've been doing it a lot longer than you and I have. And so in football, you know, hey, and it's the one thing that I could do.

Hey, I could determine how successful I was going to be. They throw me the ball, I catch it, I take off. I'm asking someone else to critique me. Let that sink in now. So I got no saying. I didn't vote else to critique me. Let that sink in now. So I got no say. I didn't vote myself number one. Nobody else on the list voted me number one. There was a panel that says, you know what?

We think this guy, based on what he's done, should be the number one on the list. And that's, boy, that's, that's, that's, right. I mean, like I said, and the guys that's that's that's that's right i mean like i said and the guys that that's on that list that i have so much like i'm i'm congratulate all 25 people but there's something special when you have a relationship when you know the guys that's on the list so being around steven a for the last four and a half months to be around pat mcaee, like I said, I would bump into Ryan Clark. So I kind of knew who he was, but we've gotten a little closer.

And to see you and having a conversation that you and I've been talking behind the scenes, trying to come up with something together. And it's like, man, man, look at us. Man, look at us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's this isn't our first. Man, look at us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't our chosen profession. Let that sink in. You didn't go to school for this? No. You didn't go to school for this?

To be an athlete and to change over. You see, I had a professor, a professor once told me, he said, son, those that can do those that can't teach or talk about it. He says, you able to do now I can no longer do. I have to talk about it and to be able to talk about it. And because I put so much time, I put so much energy into being great at this like I was football. It's everything. It's everything. Transferring your work ethic over.

Transfer the energy to something else. And that's why I think the athletes are moving faster because we have the foundation of a work ethic, right? And all we do is just have to take it, take the work ethic part, even though we don't know what we're doing, and just put the work ethic in learning the information, understanding why this person is good. Like I watch, yes, I got a TV here, here, here, here, one right here, those two back there. I got a jumbotron up there. I got four TVs.

I have everything going moving at one time. I'm just absorbing information styles. When you launch the nightcap, there's no surprise it's successful. It's you. You put the time into doing it. People are successful. People are successful for a reason all the time.

Right. Because when they're doing it, they put their passion and their love into it. Yes. That's what you have to do. And when you love something, you work for it. You work at it. Gil, someone asked like, what were some of your favorite

memories from the All-Star game? They asked me what was some of my favorite memories from the Pro Bowl? Well, the Pro Bowl is different than the All-Star game. See, when I went to the Pro Bowl, Gil, they actually tackled. It wasn't as two-hand touch stuff that they did away with it it got so bad that like you know like tackle football is like tackle football you really not need to put somebody on the ground and so but it

was just a fact of going over there seeing a lot of the people that I had when I was in high school watching seeing the Jerry Rises being over there and rest is so uh uh Reggie White and a lot of the people that I had when I was in high school watching seeing the Jerry Rice's being over there and rest his soul uh uh Reggie White and a lot of the guys and and and meeting a Deion Sanders and some of the all-time great players for the very first time but to go to the to make the Pro Bowl me and my brother we made it we went 92 and 93 um We were both starters in 93. And that was probably my fondest. Making it for the very first time in 92, but to go in 93 and he and I were both starters,

that's my crowning achievement for the Pro Bowl. Yeah, I mean, when you're selected, one of the 24, 12 in the East, right, you're recognized for your talent. I mean, I was excited. I know there's a video out there like, yo, we get to keep the robe? It's like

you're getting to see all the stars, all the elite in the same building at one time, right? You got the Shaquille, the Iverson, the Kobe's, the elite in the same building at one time. You got the Shaquille, the Iverson, the Kobe's, the Yao Ming's, LeBron, Dwayne. I made my first All-Star with Dwayne Wade, LeBron, and Bosh.

I have a big old painting on it and I have everybody's signature on it. Because I never knew if I was going to make it back again, but this was going to be a memory that you couldn't take from me. Like, I was like a little kid. I didn't even have to play in a game.

Just my name being called as an all-star was everything because I remember Magic Johnson when, you know, he got diagnosed in that all-star game. 92 in Orlando. That was, and Orlando was my favorite team. That was my biggest memory for All-Star, just the whole atmosphere. So being selected to it, it just put me part of that crew.

Wow. Brandon, can you do us a favor? Can you stop spamming cash out? Stop begging people for money because ain't nobody giving your damn broke ass no money, Brandon. Because every time Ash puts you in timeout, you pop up in another Brandon. So you ain't getting no money. Nobody giving your broke ass

any money. So get out of here. Okay? Hey, is that from your chat or mine? I think it's mine. It's from our chat, right? Yeah. It's from our chat, Gil. So Brandon, get your broke ass out of here. Go get a job. Damn, Brandon.

Now you got to change the name to B. Wood. Damn. You should have named my ex. That might be my ex sitting there begging for money. Nah, nah, nah. I don't think it's one of your exes, Gil. I don't think she's shooting that bad right now. Shit, you don't know my ex is dead.

Make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button for Nightcap. This is a very special basketball edition with Gilbert Arenas. Gil, you can tell him to click yours. Hit your like button. hit your subscribe button. It's Gil Arenas, arenas, right? Yeah, oh yeah, Gil's Arena. If my chat can see me on this side,

what's happening, chat? Thank y'all for showing up. I appreciate it. You know, hit the like, the subscribe. You know, when we get to 430,000, I'm giving out 5,000 tomorrow. So hopefully, y'all, we don't get there so I can save my goddamn money. But if y'all get me there, goddamn it. Get him there.

Get him there. Let him spend the money. Let him spend. He cheap. Hey, hey, hey, hey, I love throwing the money. I'm not getting it. Not getting it. Give me the 430 and they don't give me that. Cool.

I can put it back in my pocket. They gonna get you there. Thank you for tuning in tonight, ladies and gentlemen, for a very special edition of Nightcap. We did a great collab, myself and Gilbert Arenas. Ocho, I'll see you tomorrow. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite sports hunk,

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