Nightcap - Nightcap: LIVE FROM NYC: Thunder beat Mavs, Celtics roll Cavs in front of LeBron

Episode Date: May 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are coming to you LIVE – together! – from New York City, and they're reacting to  the Oklahoma City Thunder beating the Dallas Mavericks, Jayson Tatum ...and the Boston Celtics putting themselves on game away from the Eastern Conference Finals with a Game 4 victory over the Cleveland Cavaliers with LeBron James in attendance, LeBron's son Bronny showing out at the NBA Draft Combine, and much more!03:41 - Show Starts06:53 - Thunder Beat Mavs12:45 - Celtics beat Cavs19:10 - Newscap19:35 - Bronny and LeBron29:51 - Lebron back to Cleveland?35:36 - John Fury41:05 - Justin Fields and Nick Foles45:36 - Jets tried to hire over Hackett48:40 - Spell-O- Cinco59:08 Dunk on Unc01:07:25 - Q and Ayyyy(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:03:48 Last minute tickets, lowest price guaranteed. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for staying up late with us again for another episode of NightCaps. I am your favorite up, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Bengals Ring of Fame honoree, pro bowler, all pro,
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Starting point is 00:05:11 and your generosity and your hospitality. Ocho, we were at the Webby Awards tonight. One of the four awards that ShakeShakeMedia won, Nightcap won one, Best Sports Podcast. I was honored by the
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Starting point is 00:07:10 The Thunder go on the road, even the series up, take back home court. A very hard-fought victory. They went 100-96. Shea Gilgamesh Alexander was, again, he was exemplary. 34 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, 52% from the floor. Chet Holbrook, 18 points, 9 rebounds, 4 blocks, 6 of 9. Had the most playoff box, 23 by a rookie since Serge Ibaka.
Starting point is 00:07:36 Luka tonight had 7 turnovers and 6 buckets. Missed game time free throws. He and Kyrie have not been playing well with the exception of that one game in which Luka played really well on the road in game two in which they won he and Kyrie have yet to put a game together PJ Brown has been playing unbelievable but he
Starting point is 00:07:54 wasn't enough tonight and being down by as many as 14 points late in the third quarter and down by as many as 8 points 9 points in the fourth quarter the OKC Thunder come back, snatch back home court and now they go back home for game five
Starting point is 00:08:10 and see if they can go up 3-2. Watching the game, Ocho, what did you like and what you saw from the Thunder? Obviously, what I saw from the Thunder, SGA. I'm going to just say SGA because I always pronounce his first name wrong. Shea. Shea is doing what he's doing. Obviously,
Starting point is 00:08:25 his supporting cast has been phenomenal on his part and everyone helping as well. Lou Dort had a good game. Finished with 17 points. Obviously, Shet Holmgren as well. So, there, I'm not going to say
Starting point is 00:08:41 they're top three because that wouldn't be their top three players, right? Jalen Williams, Shea Jalen Williams and Chet. Okay, would be. But if you don't have any output from Luka, Kyrie not playing well, who only had nine points if I'm not mistaken. Correct. being the leading scorer and doing his part, but the two superstars, the two-headed monster that should be playing for Narno or Tupar is one of the reasons why the series is now tied. Right. And they probably should be up
Starting point is 00:09:13 considering you're getting that kind of production from your third guy, and you're not getting your superstar, you're not getting the production from the guy that you're counting on, that you're depending on. I don't know what's going wrong with Kyrie. I mean, this Kyrie, this is not the Kyrie that I'm used to seeing.
Starting point is 00:09:27 I don't recall him playing as bad as what he's playing as being as inefficient. He's not taking a whole lot of shots. He's not scoring a whole lot in the first half. You kind of overlook it because he's kind of gotten it going in a couple of games in the second half. But for whatever reason, he could not get on track tonight. Luka has been very inefficient with the exception of maybe one game and the turnovers.
Starting point is 00:09:47 Luka's beat up, but he's going to have to find a way. You can't get every call. You got to stop flopping because you're laying on the floor. They're getting back up the court, and they're getting shots off. And your man's scoring. They got up a couple of threes. They got some layup because you're back there arguing with a call, expecting to get a call, and they're not giving you the call.
Starting point is 00:10:05 They kind of let them play tonight. And so give OKC. They knew they had to have this game. You don't normally team that go up 3-1 for the most part win about 90% of the times. And because you're going back home 3, you go up 3-1, and you're probably going to end up going back home for game 5. So you're going to be in front of your whole crowd.
Starting point is 00:10:24 But give the OKC Thunder credit. They're the number one home for game five. So you're going to be in front of your whole crowd. But give the OKC Thunder credit. They're the number one seed for a reason. I didn't, and my research before this, they had the most 10-point comfort behind wins. So that shows you that even though they're a young group, they're resilient. And they feel that they're
Starting point is 00:10:39 in any game because they have that guy who finished second in the MVP. Some of the shots that he made, even when they were down 8-10 points, that kept them attached, that didn't let the Mavs get up by 12, get up by 14 again in that fourth quarter, he made a shot, I think, that tied the game up
Starting point is 00:10:56 from the side, shot it over the corner of the backboard, and he hit nothing but net. This is a good question for me. On the outside, looking in, obviously, if you're a betting a good question for me. On the outside looking in, obviously, if you're a betting man, if you're a gambling man, you say, well,
Starting point is 00:11:09 you look at the series, OKC being a very young team, but like you said, they are resilient. But you think the Cavs are going to run away? The Cavs. You think the Mavs
Starting point is 00:11:17 are going to run away with this series? But obviously, that's not it. So, Chad, I'm asking you too as well. Do you think the Mavs still have a shot winning the series, or will the young Oklahoma team
Starting point is 00:11:28 shock the world? Not if Luke and Kyrie don't play better than what they played the first four games. I'm surprised that it's 2-2 considering how poorly Luke and Kyrie played overall. Now, Kyrie put together a couple of second halves, but overall, now he's playing some pretty good defense.
Starting point is 00:11:46 Give him credit for that. But Luka have been wildly inefficient, but yes, they can, they can win this series, but they're going to have to play better. And without them playing better, I don't, I don't see them. And plus you got to make your free throws. They shot just as many free throws as the OKC. The difference was OKC missed two out of 22. The other team missed 12 out of 21.
Starting point is 00:12:09 So when you miss that, when you miss that many free throws, especially the games are so close because these are two, I believe, evenly matched ball clubs. But you've got to find a way. You've got to find a way. Your two guns have got to find ways to play well. But give OKC credit because, like I said, they could have easily run and hide.
Starting point is 00:12:31 Right. They didn't. They fought. They scrapped. And when they got the lead, you see what happened. The Mavs started turning the ball over. Right. Luka's trying to get into a rhythm.
Starting point is 00:12:40 He's taking unnecessary shots. He's turning the ball over, and they're getting run out. OKC, they found a way to stay close to the ball game. And then the last clutch time, Shea took the game over. But they had a big shot. Louie Doerr hit a big three. Chet Holmgren hit a big three. But Louie Doerr, excuse me,
Starting point is 00:12:58 Shea Gill just took the ball game over. And that's why they're going back to OKC, tied 2-2. The Celtics beat the Cavs minus Donovan Mitchell, 109-102. Jalen Brown had 27 points, 8 rebounds. He was 2-3 from the 3. Jason Tatum had 33 points, 11 rebounds, 5 assists. Put the Cavs on the brink of elimination.
Starting point is 00:13:20 And the Celtics are very close, one game away from advancing back to the Eastern Conference Finals. Jason Taylor played well. They got contribution from Jalen Brown. Drew Holliday played extremely well. And they were able to beat the Cavs, minus Donovan Mitchell. And you see Darius Garland played much better. I think he defers too much when Donovan Mitchell is in the game. Because he had his best game of the series all
Starting point is 00:13:45 for naught. It was a losing effort. But the Celtics go on the road. Now they go back home with a chance to clinch and get some much needed rest and say, okay, Nick's in Pacers. You guys fight it out. We're at home. He'd be picked up ready for whoever wins.
Starting point is 00:14:04 It's unfortunate for the Cavs. Obviously, Donovan Mitchell didn't play. Darius Garland played much better. And now there's no pressure on you. You have to take the shots. You have to take the shots that you would be reluctant to take, allowing Donovan Mitchell to somewhat take over games and take some of those opportunities from you.
Starting point is 00:14:21 Now, it's funny that Donovan Mitchell didn't play, but the scoreline was closer this game as opposed to when both of them played the previous game. It's weird how the game of basketball works. Obviously, I understand it's a game of runs. It's a game of rhythm and consistency from certain players.
Starting point is 00:14:40 But it's funny how your superstar doesn't play, but the ending of the game is much closer when everybody somewhat played for the Cavs on their end. Listen, with Jalen Brown and Donovan Mitchell, I mean, Donovan Mitchell, with Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum playing the way they're playing, ain't nobody beating them right now, especially when they're playing efficient. And when Derek White, when he finally gets it rolling again, like I saw him play against the Heat and be very efficient from the field, which he hasn't been since that Heat series, they might
Starting point is 00:15:13 be the one to be holding that trophy at the end of the season, coming out to East. Well, you know Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, they're going to have to give you, and they probably average about 53 points between the two of them, if I'm not mistaken. They gave you 60 to 19 rebounds, and that's what you have to have
Starting point is 00:15:30 from those guys. But you're absolutely right. You're going to need Holiday. You're going to need Derek White. You're going to need that third option. And as long as they get the third option contributing, they're going to be just fine. Now, I might remind you that Christoph Rezingas hasn't played in this series. He's recovering from that strained calf.
Starting point is 00:15:47 And so, you know, you got 33, 11 of 25. Jason Taylor played 45 minutes. Holliday played 43 minutes, gave you 16, 7, and 5. Derek White didn't play particularly well. He was 106, 104. He had five points. Jason Taylor, excuse me, Jalen Brown played 34 minutes, 9 of 15, 2 of 3. He's been very efficient in the series.
Starting point is 00:16:06 27 points. Peyton Pritchard, another guy that comes off the bench, reminds you a lot of T.J. McConnell, going to give you great hustle plays, going to knock down shots. He's going to be a pest up and down the court. He was 3 of 5, 3 of 4 from 3. He had 11 points. Luke Cornett had 9 points, and Howitzer came off the bench.
Starting point is 00:16:24 He only had 2 points. But they got production from where they needed it, although Derek White and Al Horford didn't give them a whole lot of points. The big guns played well, and then you get Holiday chipping in with 16 and Braden Pritchett chipping in with 11. The Celtics, the question is what Celtic team is going to show up. You never know from game to game what's going to happen. They were 12 or 32 from the three-point line, 37%. You can live with that.
Starting point is 00:16:49 The head coach, Joe Mazzulla, probably wants them to get up somewhere around 40 to 45 threes. Want to try to make somewhere between 15 and 23. You look at the Cavaliers. They got 30 points from Darius Garland, 12 to 27, 4-13. Evan Mobley gave you 19. Karris LeBert, who's in the starting lineup because Donovan Mitchell was out,
Starting point is 00:17:10 he gave you 19. Mike Spruce gave you 15. I mean, they played really well. I mean, to think the game would be this close, minus Donovan Mitchell, I probably didn't see that coming. And probably the Celtics probably let down just a little bit because they know one of the high-powered guys from the opposing
Starting point is 00:17:25 team was out. Well, you know, the funny thing about it, if Donovan Mitchell is out with a calf strain, there's no way he's going to be able to play the following week. The following game. So, it's safe to say, obviously, I'm assuming
Starting point is 00:17:42 the Celtics are going to move on and whoever the winner out of the Pacers and the Knicks series, what are the chances if the Pacers win the series, what are the chances if the Knicks win the series, what chances do they have against the Celtics?
Starting point is 00:17:58 I think Pacers for me because offensively, they can get up and down in the bench. Pacers for me because offensively, they can get up and down in the bench. The problem with the Knicks is that they have no depth.
Starting point is 00:18:14 They're already without Julius Ramblin. They're already without Robinson. I was reading today he had ankle surgery. You don't know how long, maybe Bogdanovich is going to come back. I don't know about that. And you're dealing with OG Ananobis hamstring. So you're down four starters and you only played, I think they only played seven guys.
Starting point is 00:18:32 They played a lot of guys. They emptied their bench because they were down by as many as 43 points. But when you start shortening your bench as much as the Knicks will have to shorten their bench and you ask the guys to play as many minutes as you're asking them to play. I just don't see how the Knicks could really pose a problem. Now, if Jalen Brown goes crazy, which he's more than capable of doing, Devin Chinzo, Josh Hart, you know, they didn't have their best games last game. But if they play kind of like they played in game, what was that,
Starting point is 00:19:03 game three, game two? Yeah. They got a chance. They got a chance. But I still would like the Pacers because I think they can get up and down. They're going to run. They can make shots. The question is Tyrese Halliburton.
Starting point is 00:19:17 You see when he plays well, the Indiana offense looks really, really good. And he needs to play well. He can't be afraid to shoot the shot. Siakam needs to play better. He didn't need to do much yesterday. I think he only attempted like five or six shots yesterday. But I would like the Pacers. I'm not saying either team could beat the Knicks.
Starting point is 00:19:36 I mean, beat the Celtics. But I would like the Pacers in the series more so than I would like the Knicks. Now, it's time for our first segment of the day, and it is a newscast. Drafting Bronny LeBron James Jr. doesn't guarantee you his dad, LeBron James.
Starting point is 00:20:01 Rich Paul has made an effort to play down the idea that LeBron James would be a package deal with his son, Bronny, this offseason. Ryan Windhorst said, Rich Paul has in recent months indicated behind the scenes that selecting Bronny James doesn't guarantee LeBron will sign with that team. Look.
Starting point is 00:20:18 Yeah, it does. Yeah, maybe in two, three years. No, absolutely not. LeBron doesn't want to play two, three more years. Yes, he does. LeBron doesn't want to play two, three more years. Yes, he does. LeBron is waiting for this opportunity for his son to get drafted. Yes. And I think it's going to be a package deal wherever Bronny goes.
Starting point is 00:20:34 You want to bet? Yeah. I mean, the writing is on the wall. No, it ain't. The writing is on the wall. They're writing in Mandarin Chinese and I can't read that. Listen, LeBron James has played this long and had an illustrious career to continue his reign at the top until his son reached. Because his dream as a father training his son would be to always at one point play with his son on the NBA team.
Starting point is 00:20:59 Now, wherever that NBA team is that Bronny goes to, I guarantee you LeBron goes as well. Not this year. Not next year. Whoa. I do believe that LeBron wants to play with his son. Just the mere fact of having your son in the NBA while you're still playing isn't a feat in and of itself. Now, to have a King Griffey Jr. situation where Senior plays with Junior. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:25 But see, that was a special situation. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Rangers granted him his release so he could go play with the Mariners, so he could play with his son. I think the thing and the difference is Senior was not playing as well as LeBron Senior
Starting point is 00:21:41 playing in basketball. So it was a lot easier. Do I believe at some point in time before LeBron James leave the NBA. Right. So it was a lot easier. Easier. Right. Do I believe at some point in time before LeBron James will leave the NBA he'll play with his son? Yes, I do.
Starting point is 00:21:50 I just don't believe it's next year. I don't think it'll take that long. I don't think it'll take that long. Obviously, LeBron is very strategic in all
Starting point is 00:21:57 that he does. Yeah. Mav, the team, Rich Paul, they're all very strategic and methodical in everything that they do. I think we think a
Starting point is 00:22:04 different way on how things would happen. Maybe LeBron doesn't want to play two or three more years just to be able to play with his son. And I think he has the power and the cachet to make it happen. How they're going to make it happen, we obviously don't know. They know and they have a plan. The plan has been set in place for many, many of years. This is just not something that just happened.
Starting point is 00:22:26 And I think the plan is going to play out that he's going to play with LeBron probably this year. I don't want to say guarantee. I think it's going to happen sooner than we think. See, here's the issue also.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Is Bronny ready to play in the NBA? Just because you get drafted, you might have to go to the G League. Okay, that's a good one. So this is what I'm thinking. LeBron James, look, he's going to be involved with the coach. He's going to be involved with the Lakers with Frigg. I don't believe LeBron would be in a situation where he's like,
Starting point is 00:23:01 okay, I like this guy, I like this guy, I like said guy. And Frigg said, I want this guy with this guy. And then all of a sudden, he goes sign and plays with his son. I don't believe that's going to happen this year. Do I believe before LeBron James leaves the NBA that he plays with his son? Absolutely. Because the likelihood
Starting point is 00:23:18 of that happening again isn't very good. Unless somebody had a child while they were in high school. Because the likelihood of somebody playing this long again, though, Ojo, because think about it.
Starting point is 00:23:28 Yeah, there are a lot of guys that have kids. Right. And they might have a kid that's five or six years old. But what's the likelihood of them playing another 15 years,
Starting point is 00:23:36 another 16 years till the kid is old enough to reach this level? Right. It just so happens to be that LeBron was extremely blessed that he was able to play. And I think he had
Starting point is 00:23:47 Bronny in 2004, 2005, which allowed him. Because I think Bronny is like 19. 04. So you see? So that allowed him. Now LeBron came in the league in 2003.
Starting point is 00:24:03 So he has a kid one year into his career, and now here we are two decades later. That's him. Now, LeBron came in the league in 2003. Right. So he has a kid one year into his career, and now here we are two decades later. That's crazy. Yeah. So the likelihood of that happening is probably you won't see it again. You don't see it very often. That's why I don't think it would take that long.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I mean, I understand what you're saying. And I think if LeBron, I think because of, I'm not going to say favoritism in general, but because it's LeBron's son, I think certain things will be put in place to where it's accelerated
Starting point is 00:24:38 a little bit more as opposed to him having to go to G League as far as development goes. I think he'll be on the NBA team. I think he'll be on the NBA squad. I think he'll be on the NBA squad. You think he'll get drafted in the first round? From my understanding, based on what's coming out of college, I believe so.
Starting point is 00:24:55 I believe so. For the simple fact that I think behind closed doors, there might be rumblings that wherever Bronny goes, there's a chance LeBron comes there as well. And then you know what happens if you get even a 39-year-old LeBron
Starting point is 00:25:11 on your team? You know what it does for not just your city, not just for your franchise, but to me, it damn near puts you in contention, even though he's not the same LeBron of old. I just don't see it happening. You look at LeBron numbers. He was 25, seven rebounds, eight assists, playing at an extremely high level.
Starting point is 00:25:32 Right. And I just don't see him leaving the Lakers. Now, do I see him leaving the Lakers? Now, the question is, I believe he's going to opt out of that contract. Does he sign a two plus one, two years for an option for a third? Now that makes it a lot easier for him to determine because I can opt out of the contract and I can go be a free agency and I don't mess up your cap situation signing me
Starting point is 00:25:55 because my son is on your roster. So I believe that's more likely to happen, two years plus an option. Because I think LeBron believes in his heart of hearts that he said it, I can play as long as I want to. As long as my mind. As long as my body is healthy. Knock on wood, his body stays healthy. He seems really engaged.
Starting point is 00:26:15 He loves the game of basketball. He loves everything about it. He loves the prep work. He loves the meeting. He loves to shoot around. He loves being around the guys. And obviously, he loves the game. And so that goes in because you're always going to love the game.
Starting point is 00:26:29 But the question is, can your body hold up and your mind? Right. The meetings drove me away. I didn't want to meet anymore. I got tired. I had heard out. I mean, for him to still enjoy it like that, being in media, how many curvages, how many times you've been running a pin pin down or flare or one high
Starting point is 00:26:45 or all that other stuff. He's heard it all. Right. He knows it. And he still gets excited to get up and to do it over and over and over and over again. That's what makes you great.
Starting point is 00:26:57 Yep. Bronny looked good today. He played really, I mean, I saw him, I think he went like a whole minute. I think they said he was 19 or 25 from the three. Yeah, I saw the Twitter. He think they said he was 19 or 25. By three, yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:07 He had a 40 and a half inch vertical. It was pretty impressive. It was pretty impressive. Wait, what was the vertical again? 40 and a half. But they do running jump. They don't do it like the NFL. Oh, just standing?
Starting point is 00:27:19 Yeah, NFL standing jump. Yeah. The NBA, they allow you to get running jump. So what was your vertical, you think? The highest I've ever done was like 38 and a half. Okay, okay. I think I'm not mistaken, if I remember correctly, because my vertical jump has been one of my best assets that I had due to my DNA.
Starting point is 00:27:39 I think it might have been a 46, 46, 45, something like that. Something like that. You did that in the combine? Huh. You did that in the combine? Huh? You did it in the combine? Nah, I did that at USC, at USC Pro Day. Yeah, I did. Yeah, I think it might have been a 46. I think Gerald Sensabaugh has the
Starting point is 00:27:53 highest in combine history. He had a 46. Gerald Sensabaugh. Yeah, that's what they compared me to, too. Gerald, I ain't here. I ain't know who he was. I'm comparing you to Pinocchio but I think Gerald Sensaba
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Starting point is 00:31:55 where he was given a standing ovation by the hometown crowd. Do you think LeBron would go back to Cleveland? If you wanted to write a story, if you wanted to write a story and finish it the right way, you wanted to write a story and finish it the right way as LeBron James, you get drafted, you're from Ohio, you get drafted to Cleveland, you leave Cleveland, you go to Miami, you go back
Starting point is 00:32:20 to Cleveland, you go from Cleveland to LA, and you want to finish your story the right way the right way and close that book and just be complete well the one way to ensure that is to draft Ronnie bingo, there you go and there goes your happy ending and I think
Starting point is 00:32:40 it would be dope, yeah who's to say Ronnie doesn't go to LA well I don't think they'll take a do to L.A.? Well, I don't think they'll take a first... Do they have a first-round pick? I don't know if they take him in the first round. Most reports are saying
Starting point is 00:32:50 second-round pick. But like you said, there's not a whole lot of... not a whole lot of beat at the top of the draft. Right, right, right. So it's not like, oh, man, I got to have this guy.
Starting point is 00:33:00 Oh, I got to have that guy. So no consensus at all in this draft at all? No, no. That's why I say the chances of him maybe going to L.A., I got to have this guy. Oh, I got to have that guy. So no consensus at all in this draft? No. No. That's why I say the chances of him maybe going to L.A., maybe going to Cleveland, but for some reason,
Starting point is 00:33:11 I know Rich Paul, I know LeBron. Everything is already set in stone. It's set in stone, and there's a chance. If he doesn't go to L.A., wherever LeBron he goes, I'm telling you,
Starting point is 00:33:23 LeBron might be that issue. I was very happy to see the ovation that he got. I'm glad they let bygones be bygones. Oh, right then? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Bron came back. He brought him a championship. Went to the NBA finals all four years he was back there. I think the thing is, and for me,
Starting point is 00:33:39 he fulfilled his obligation. He never asked to be traded. He stayed there for seven years. He went to Miami for four years, came back for four years, and now he's been in L.A. And so I don't think anybody can be upset with LeBron. I don't think Miami can be upset with it because he did bring two titles in four years.
Starting point is 00:33:59 I don't think L.A. can be upset with it because what's the likelihood? Because think about they hadn't won a title. They hadn't even been to the Western Conference Finals since Kobe last won the title in, what, 2010, 2011. Right. So, 2010, 2010. Because 2011, they got swept in the first round by Dallas.
Starting point is 00:34:18 People don't realize that. They swept Lakers, who were the defending champions. With Dirk? Yep, with Dirk, Jason Kidd, all those guys, Tyson Chandler. I think Sean Merrill was on that squad. So the likelihood, and everybody's like, oh, LeBron this, LeBron that. But you got to think about where you were before LeBron got there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:36 You weren't making the playoffs. You weren't even close to making the playoffs. I forget. There's a reason why you kept getting D'Angelo Russell with the second pick of the draft. There's a reason why you got Lonzo Ball with the second pick of the draft. There's a reason why you got Lonzo Ball with the second pick of the draft. There's a reason why you got Julius Randle with a top 10 pick. Y'all need to realize, Laker Nation, what you were before LeBron. You didn't have this kind of hope.
Starting point is 00:34:55 I understand that you used the championship, but at the end of the day, there was no sun on the horizon before LeBron came there. Do they give LeBron credit for the chip that he did bring? It didn't count? LeBron is never going to... Look.
Starting point is 00:35:19 LeBron brought two chips, but he's never been loved in Miami like D. Wade. It's different. It's different. Right. It's different. Kevin Durant goes to Golden State. He wins them two titles.
Starting point is 00:35:31 He helped win them two titles. He's a two-time finals MVP. But they didn't draft him. Miami drafted D-Wade. The Golden State Warriors drafted Steph. They drafted Klay. They drafted Draymond. So there's an affinity for guys that we drafted.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Right. That we watched them. You see, Colby, see, Magic came there. Right. Magic came right out of college as a 20-year-old, won him a title in rookie season. Colby came to L.A. as a 17-year-old kid. That's right.
Starting point is 00:36:04 They watch him get mad. They watch-old kid. They watch him get married. They watch him have kids. They watch him turn into a man. They watch him turn into one of the top players in NBA history. They feel a certain kind of love and an affinity for Kobe because he's ours. That's why
Starting point is 00:36:20 guys that come, Magic, people, if you go ask them, people will always say Magic and Kobe are the two best Lakers because those are the guys, not even Jerry West, LJ Baylor, but I'm saying Kobe and Magic one, two, is Lakers
Starting point is 00:36:37 because Shaq came from Orlando, Kareem came from Milwaukee. Ah. So they don't consider them as one of their own. They do because Kareem, people don't realize Kareem came from Milwaukee. Ah. So they don't consider him as one of their own. They do because Kareem, people don't realize Kareem played in L.A. longer than he played,
Starting point is 00:36:51 longer than he played. I think he played seven years in Milwaukee. I think 76, if I'm not mistaken, was his first year in L.A. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was 76. Might have been 75. He won like two MVPs as soon as he got there and then won a third one
Starting point is 00:37:10 in the 79-80 season. But that's just the way it is. Sometimes it's like that in basketball. Yeah, we appreciate what you've done, but... It ain't the same.
Starting point is 00:37:24 Kobe, man, and Magic, and James Worthy, those are the guys that were like, they're ours. We watched them come and go. John Fury, Tyson Fury's dad,
Starting point is 00:37:40 if I'm not mistaken, headbutted a member of the opponent, Alexander Yusik's team, busting himself open in the process ahead of his son Tyson's undisputed championship fight with Yusik this coming Saturday. John is generally good to get some spotlight
Starting point is 00:37:58 on himself ahead of his son's fight. With arguably Tyson's greatest, biggest fight ever, John went above and beyond. What you think? Man, buddy, he tripping. Well, you know, man. No, he got a terrible hitting. Yeah, and he taking the focus,
Starting point is 00:38:18 he taking the focus off of what's important. Who's going to be in the ring. Right. And now you're adding even more pressure on Fury. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Like, he ain't going against no, no, no, just no anybody. Oh, no, no. You look at Mike. Especially the way he looked against Ngannou. Did I say it the right way?
Starting point is 00:38:37 Who that? Yeah, but see, he took that fight. He didn't take that fight serious. Oh, no. What was that? Oh. He took it serious. You know what you mean? He ain't taking it serious. Man, please. Man. You think he took that fight serious. Oh, no. What was that? Oh, he took it serious.
Starting point is 00:38:45 What do you mean he didn't take it serious? Man, please. You think he took that fight serious? Yeah, he took it serious. No, Anthony Joshua took it serious. No. Fury took that fight serious, and I think he was just surprised
Starting point is 00:38:57 that Francis had gotten that good and that polished in such a short amount of time and being able to transition from MMA to boxing. And when he got in the ring, I'm looking like, what the hell? Who the hell he been training with? Did you see Ngannou against Joshua
Starting point is 00:39:13 when someone took it serious? Yeah. Two different styles. There's levels to fighting. Right. You see the feint. And you see every time, because every time he feint,
Starting point is 00:39:23 what did Ngannou do? He would drop. Yeah. He'd do this. And so every time, because every time he faint, what is he going to do? He would drop. Yeah. He'd do this. And so, he kept putting it out there. He kept putting it out there. Oh, that's what you're going to do?
Starting point is 00:39:31 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, listen. It's going to be a good one. It's going to be a great fight because both of these guys are boxers.
Starting point is 00:39:41 Yeah. There's a difference between a boxer and a fighter. And a slugger, too. Yeah, yeah. We know the brown bomber, Deontay Wilder. He got one punch. Slugger. He's looking
Starting point is 00:39:54 like this is right. I mean, he ain't jabbing to do anything. He's like right and just try to... He's not like Lenny Lewis. Lenny Lewis used his jab to do damage. Ernie Shaver. Larry Holmes. Vladimir Klitschko.
Starting point is 00:40:09 They used their jab to do damage. It wasn't just a range finder. It was to do damage. And boom. Brown Bomber, he just tried to unload. So Tyson Fury said, okay, I'm just going to time it up. Lean on you. Get your time. Take your legs.
Starting point is 00:40:28 And that's it. But I think this is going to be a really good fight here. Tyson Fury and Alexander Yusik, because both guys can box. It's going to be interesting to see. This is the first time that Fury's going to be in there with somebody. Now, he's going to be
Starting point is 00:40:44 a massive of a man, but somebody that has a very similar skill set. Good footwork. Very good ring IQ. He can box in the pocket. He can fight at distance. He can fight mid-range.
Starting point is 00:40:55 So it's going to be very interesting on how they're able to read each other out, gather information, process it round by round, try to figure each other out. And I think it's going to get really interesting once
Starting point is 00:41:08 it gets about round six or seven and you're a little bit tired. You can't be on your bicycle. You can't have as much movement. You have to actually sit there and fight. I think that's where it's going to become interesting. That's one thing I like about the heavyweights. They ain't really getting on no bicycle. Hey,
Starting point is 00:41:24 they got to save that in. Oh, yeah. Those are huge. Man, you're talking about 52, 60. Right. These are what we call super heavyweights. Man, you ain't getting on no bystander. Not really.
Starting point is 00:41:34 But it's funny. Yeah, but the funny thing when you think about it is you think about their boxing prowess and their footwork is like that of a lightweight almost. Yeah. They move, the footwork, the movement, the being able to get in and get out. Defense.
Starting point is 00:41:50 Very good defense. They know how to move. Minimal movement. Minimal movement, but conserve energy while moving. You and I, we all we all know how to play. They're going to know how to lean. They know how to do
Starting point is 00:42:05 all that but the thing is about the really good boxers they know they can have a sense of like they can look over there oh he tired
Starting point is 00:42:12 look how he breathing look how that's why you gotta have that poker face the whole time your mannerisms you gotta be relaxed the whole time
Starting point is 00:42:20 you have to have that poker face and show nothing even if you get hit clean and I've learned this from a few times. I've been in there. People telling me, man, somebody can hit you with a good shot and you could be hurt. You cannot
Starting point is 00:42:31 show any sign of weakness at any point because it's like sharks seeing blood in the water. Yeah. Hit me. Ow! Hey, man, I used to get tired. Hey, son, don't bend over. Hey, ain't no oxygen out here. I see rabbits.
Starting point is 00:42:49 I see cats. I see snakes. Ain't no oxygen out here. Who told you that lie? Ain't no oxygen out there. Ain't no oxygen out there. You know what? Guess what?
Starting point is 00:43:00 It's oxygen even lower because I've been laid out. Ocho, there's a report that Justin Fields had a toxic relationship with Nick Foles in the Chicago locker room. According to reports, the relationship between Foles and Fields
Starting point is 00:43:14 basically reached rock bottom at the situation where Foles was trying to teach something to Fields only to turn around and realize that Fields wasn't paying attention to anything Foles was saying. According to report, Foles and Phil could not stand each other.
Starting point is 00:43:29 There ain't nothing wrong with that. Listen, you, in the chat, in the NFL, listen, as much as you want to get along with everybody, think about where you work. If you work in the corporate world, or wherever you work, you don't get along with every person that's there.
Starting point is 00:43:44 That man isn't there to take your job. They are there to compete. Yeah, they are. You are there to compete. Everybody's not going to get along on the same team. That's just the nature of the business at times. I'm better than you. Why are you sitting here trying to teach me?
Starting point is 00:44:01 Younger player, listen to an older veteran who's been somewhat, not somewhat, not really, I don't want to call him a journeyman, but he played on a few different teams. He has a Super Bowl win. So I think that's someone you would want to listen to and confide in, especially when it comes to playing a position of quarterback because he knows what it takes to win
Starting point is 00:44:18 because he has won before. After taking over for Carson Wentz when he got hurt. But listen, at times you're just not going to like people. after taking over for Carson Wentz when he got hurt. Yeah. You know? But listen, at times, you're just not going to like people. It's just the way it is. And I think it's unfortunate that it came down to this. I think it's unfortunate that it got out now that Justin Fields is gone and he's in Pittsburgh.
Starting point is 00:44:37 So why now? Yeah. Why now? It wasn't an issue then. Why make it an issue now? It wasn't an issue, but I'm disappointed that it got out because it makes Justin feel like he's uncoachable. Like he's unwilling to listen to someone
Starting point is 00:44:51 that's trying to help. And you know, look, when I was in there, and somebody could give me some valuable information, the mistake that I made is that I listened to the wrong person and he gave me the wrong route. And I went there red at full speed
Starting point is 00:45:02 and coach looked at me like I was a damn fool. But that's my fault. Right. That's my fault. I think the thing is, Ocho, for me, is that when I, I've always said that
Starting point is 00:45:10 if I ever got in a situation, I say, when I make the team next year, someone ask me something, I'm going to be able to give them the real information because I'm just,
Starting point is 00:45:18 I look at it, Ocho. You can't beat me. I'm going to teach you everything you know, not everything I know. Right. So you're never going to be able to get beat this job. And I understand, like, when Ozzie made the move to teach you everything you know, not everything I know. So you're never going to be able to beat this job. And I
Starting point is 00:45:26 understand when Ozzy made the move to move on to Todd Heath, he had to get me up out of there. Todd Heath was never going to be able to beat me up on that job. Because I knew too much. I knew all the tricks of the trade. I knew how to get open, no matter what the situation was. But my job was to make sure, and to Rook's
Starting point is 00:45:42 credit, he hung on everything that I said. So I tried to make sure. And to Rook's credit, he hung on everything that I said. So I tried to make sure that the locker, the tight end room was better when I left than when I found it. Same way with Denver. I take it as an elder
Starting point is 00:45:55 statesman, Ocho. That's my job. Right. To pass that information down because I had some guys that really helped me. In the receiver room, Mark Jackson,
Starting point is 00:46:04 I backed him up. He helped me immensely. the receiver room, Mark Jackson, I backed him up. He helped me immensely. Vance Johnson, those guys really, really helped me when I was there. And so I really appreciated the older guys
Starting point is 00:46:16 really helping me to try to get me up to speed because they knew if something happened to them, I'm going to have to go in and play. Now what good is that? You don't help me out and I got to go in and play
Starting point is 00:46:25 and I don't know what the hell I'm doing. That's a negative reflection on you. But I agree with you, Ocho. I don't like that this got out because at the end of the day, you know who he's going to look negative on. Yeah. Because you got a veteran quarterback
Starting point is 00:46:38 that's played a number of years in the league. And like you say, he did win the Super Bowl. He did go to a Pro Bowl. He once had a season which he threw 27 touchdowns with two interceptions. So it's like, man, he tried to help Justin Fields, and Justin Fields doesn't, he's uncoachable.
Starting point is 00:46:53 You can't help it. And it's so funny. It's always the black quarterbacks where stuff like this comes out. You think it only happens with them? I guarantee you it definitely doesn't. I think when Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers were there, I'm sure there was some of the same
Starting point is 00:47:05 issues. I think it happens like that when you have two players at a certain position and you understand that if you're not playing well, the person that's trying to help and coach you could eventually be taking your job if you don't play up the par.
Starting point is 00:47:21 It is what it is. It's no secret that Aaron Rodgers is a big fan of New York Jets offensive coordinator Nathaniel Hackett other than the organization may not feel the same according to SNY the Jets reported reportedly consider bringing aboard someone above Hackett's head
Starting point is 00:47:42 to oh okay above Hackett to run the offense there are legitimate concerns with Hackett's ability to, oh, okay, above Hackett to run the offense. There are legitimate concerns with Hackett's ability to be successful to run things. It almost feels like the Jets are putting so much faith in Rodgers' ability to correct Hackett's wrongdoing. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:48:00 But Nathaniel Hackett has always had some type of issues and problems from an offensive standpoint as a coordinator. Actually, before he even got here. Wasn't there an issue when he was winning? Never. He was the head coach. He got the job. Issues in Denver. Wait, where was he before Denver?
Starting point is 00:48:16 He was the offensive coordinator at Green Bay, but he didn't call no plays. And see, what happened was is that Aaron Rodgers won those back-to-back MVP. Look, I mean, how much credit do we actually give the offensive coordinator to coach Tom Brady? Because look what they didn't have, Brady, how they look. Exactly. So now we understand that not much coaching goes on once you're in that structured environment. It's all X's and O's. So it's up to you to execute those X's and O's once you're in between those lines.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Now you understand why Coach gets fired because there's certain players and player personnel that aren't able to live up to the expectations that are expected from the person that's doing the play calling.
Starting point is 00:48:59 I believe Nathaniel Hackett got that job in Denver because they believed he could deliver Aaron Rodgers. Nathaniel Hackett got that job in Denver because he believed they believed he could deliver Aaron Rodgers Aaron Rodgers
Starting point is 00:49:09 got the job and went back to Green Bay he got the job in the Jets because Aaron Rodgers comes to the game that's some great
Starting point is 00:49:21 ball to have it is it is so that's like if you're Josh McDaniels you should always be able to get a job no matter what obviously when Brady that's some great ball to have. It is. It is. So that's like, if you're Josh McDaniels, you should always be able to get a job no matter what. Obviously when Brady was playing.
Starting point is 00:49:30 Yeah. Which is why he was able to turn down the job in Indy and still get an opportunity in Oakland, excuse me, Las Vegas now. That's why.
Starting point is 00:49:41 Because of the individual that you were attached to as to being coached and you look at look at what happened every year he goes one year halfway through the next year he gets fired yeah two jobs yeah two head coach jobs look at him when he was a head when he was the offensive coordinator of the ram they had the worst offensive football now he goes back to new england he's with tom brady he wins superbowls now he gives the job New England. He's with Tom Brady. He wins Super Bowls. Now, he gets the job at the Colts. He's like, nah.
Starting point is 00:50:07 He sends them a fax saying, nah, I'm good. I'm turning it down. Goes back to New England, wins some more. Gets the job at Las Vegas. Look at him. Quarterback always saves the day, which is why the quarterbacks make the big money. Okay.
Starting point is 00:50:25 Now it's time for our favorite segment. It's late enough. I know it's late at night, don't you? And, and, and,
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Starting point is 00:50:40 and, and, and, and, So it's time for our favorite segment. It's time for our favorite segment. Y'all know what it is. It's called Spello Cinco. Yeah. I don't have, I don't even know, I ain't got my hat with me, man. Oh, no, what are you talking about? You ain't got your fake hat on.
Starting point is 00:50:56 I ain't got my hat with me, man. Okay. Y'all stay with me. Okay, stay with the chat. Stay with the chat. Stay with it. First word. These are easy words. Yeah, you are. Stay with the chat. Stay with it. First word. Easy.
Starting point is 00:51:05 These are easy words. Yeah, you always say that. Yeah, easy words. Yeah, you always say that. We'll give you easy words. Yeah. Necessary. It is necessary when you go on the road
Starting point is 00:51:18 to bring your equipment so we can film Nightcap accordingly. Necessary. Well, before we start, like, I don't have my equipment and we're filming together because Rael... Ain't no Rael.
Starting point is 00:51:30 No, I'm telling you. I'm not telling you. Rael, she is my assistant. You know, I told... No, for real. You have a team of people. I wanted to hire a team of people. Chat, y'all stay with me.
Starting point is 00:51:39 I wanted to hire a team of people so I can function the way Shannon functions where he doesn't have to do anything. He can just focus on what he needs to do and everybody else takes care of everything. You don't get that privilege. Yeah, but if she want to be a part of Nightcap and what I got going on, then you
Starting point is 00:51:53 insert yourself in my business. So therefore, I gave her a title. I'm paying her. How do you pay her? $20. You should have left all that. Yeah, so. Necessary. I'm ready. You ready? Yes all that. Yeah, so. Necessary, I'm ready. You ready?
Starting point is 00:52:07 Yes, necessary. Necessary. N-E-C-E-S-S-A-R-Y. Yeah, I got enough room to dance, too. Yeah, okay. Good. Chat this for y'all. Chat.
Starting point is 00:52:30 Huh? I like to thank Nehemiah. The hotel that we're staying at has great accommodations. Oh, accommodations. And I think we did this word already, and I missed it last time if I'm not mistaken. Right?
Starting point is 00:52:47 So I ain't going to miss it twice. There's one thing about it. I'm not going to miss it twice because it's A-C-C-O-M-M. Oh, shit. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hold on, stay with me, Chad, man. Accommodations.
Starting point is 00:53:07 Accommo. Accommodations. O. A, double C, O. D. A. Mm-hmm. T, I, O, and S.
Starting point is 00:53:26 No. No! A. A T-I-O-N-S No No A Double C I said O D Double M I said double M in the first O
Starting point is 00:53:38 D-A-T-I-O-N Is that not what I said? No It's not? No. It's not? No. We one for one. This is the easy one.
Starting point is 00:53:50 This is the easiest word. Oh, wait a minute. I sounded it out and all. Yeah, yeah. Okay. The way you sounded it out, the way you spelled it out. Right, okay.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Let me lock in. Let me lock in. Let me focus. Let me focus. Discipline. Discipline. This is something I've always had. Discipline. Especially when it comes to spending money. I've always had discipline. Discipline. This is something I've always had. Discipline.
Starting point is 00:54:07 Especially when it comes to spending money. I've always had discipline. That's why I still got all my goddamn money. Discipline. D-I-S-C-I-P-L-I-N-E. Discipline. Correct.
Starting point is 00:54:19 It's something I've always had. Something I will continue to have. Discipline. That's very good. Discipline. Deseret. That's very good. Discipline. Word number four. Ambivalent.
Starting point is 00:54:32 Who? Ambivalent. Ambivalent. Ambivalent. Shit. Ambivalent. Shit. Ambivalent. Yeah. Can you use it in a sentence, please?
Starting point is 00:54:54 I'm ambivalent. You might want to give me another word. I don't know. I'm ambivalent when it comes to accommodations. Ambivalent. Am. Viv. So I'm sounding it out. Go ahead.
Starting point is 00:55:28 Based on how I was sounding it out, Chad, y'all stay with me now. Ambivalent. I'm assuming A-M. Mm-hmm. B-I-V. Mm-hmm. I-E-L-E-N-T. Close.
Starting point is 00:55:52 A-B-A-M-B-I-B-A-L-E-N-T Oh, it's the A. Yes. The A and the E. That threw me off. This is an easy one here. You've been saying No, no, this is an easy one here. You said everything easy.
Starting point is 00:56:01 Mischievous. Chad Ochocinco Johnson was mischievous as a child. Is mischievous or mischievous? Either way is correct. Mischievous. Since he said I was mischievous as a child, I should know how to spell this. And I'm going to say this with such great confidence as if this is the State of the Union address.
Starting point is 00:56:32 Mischievous. M-I-S C-H-E V-I-O-U-S Close. God! Come on, man! M-I-S C-H-S. Close. God, come on, man. M-I-S-C-H-I-E-V-O-U-S.
Starting point is 00:56:51 Like, I went to school. People are going to think I don't know how to spell. How about this one? The last word is a little bit more difficult. I got y'all, Chad. I got this right here. I promise you, if I don't get this word right, I won't sleep with Rell ever again until August. I promise you, if I don't get this word right, I won't sleep with Rell ever
Starting point is 00:57:05 again until August. I promise you she won't get it until August. The word is endophyte. What? Endophyte is bacteria or fungus that live within a plant. Endophyte.
Starting point is 00:57:24 Endo fight Endo Endo fight Endo fight Endo fight Oh shit boy Damn You know 87% of relationships Is relying on sex huh
Starting point is 00:57:42 Okay of a relationship is relying on sex, huh? Mm-hmm. Okay. So I got to get this right. I got to get this right because I don't want to be in a situation... I hope you store it up. Yeah, yeah. I hope you've been at it for the last three months. Yeah, I...
Starting point is 00:58:01 Okay. Endophyte. Endophyte. Endophyte. This is tough. Because, you know, where we are now, because of technology, I could lose my woman to the rose toy. Yeah. Yeah. So this is important.
Starting point is 00:58:19 But you can watch. Nah, I can't. I can't do that. I can't do that. Endophyte. endophyte endophyte alright baby here we go endophyte
Starting point is 00:58:31 I-N D-O F-I-T-E E-N D-O P-H Y-T-E E-N D-O P-H Y-T-E Where the P come from?
Starting point is 00:58:50 Endophyte Where the P come from? But what? Like phosphorus P-H Nah, the P is for pussy Cause I ain't getting none I ain't getting none now
Starting point is 00:59:03 Well You the one that You the one that made that big with yourself for pussy because I ain't getting none. I ain't getting none now. You the one that made that big with yourself. I'm sorry, Chad. I mean, listen, I let y'all down, man. Listen, even Martin Luther King had a dream. So did I. And I feel. And I got you
Starting point is 00:59:20 next. I got you. What's the date? When we back? Thursday? Wednesday. I got y'all Wednesday, man. I apologize, man. My bad. My bad. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small.
Starting point is 00:59:39 Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength that's inside of us all. So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you.
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Starting point is 01:00:39 Three or four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding, but the price has gone up, so now I only buy one. The demand curve in action, and that's just one of the things we'll be covering on Everybody's Business from Bloomberg Businessweek. I'm Max Chavkin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. Every Friday, we will be diving into the biggest stories in business, taking a look at what's going on, why it matters, and how it shows up in our everyday lives. But guests like Businessweek editor Brad Stone, sports reporter Randall Williams,
Starting point is 01:01:09 and consumer spending expert Amanda Mull will take you inside the boardrooms, the backrooms, even the signal chats that make our economy tick. Hey, I want to learn about VeChain. I want to buy some blockchain or whatever it is that they're doing. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold,
Starting point is 01:01:52 connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:02:49 Now it's your turn. Dunk on up. Here we go. Dunk on up. We... Make sure you can't see. You ain't finna be cheating. All right.
Starting point is 01:03:03 Chat. Dunk on up. Yeah, you... Yeah, yeah. Make sure... right, Chad. Dunk on up. Yeah, you can. Yeah, make sure. Okay, yeah. Hey, Chad, you can't cheat now because I'm here. I can see.
Starting point is 01:03:13 Ash can't cheat. Can't nobody help him now. Question number one. The NFL was founded on August 20th of what year? The NFL Was founded On August 20th Of what year? The NFL was founded
Starting point is 01:03:32 On August 20th Of what year? 1920 You got an earpiece in? There you go with that bullshit. Hey, excuse me, sir. Can you, can you, he mic'd up? Can you communicate?
Starting point is 01:03:58 He got a little earpiece in? No, he got no earpiece in. Okay. I get to say it, you got it. Make a show. We both got microphones. I'm trying to figure out, because. The Bigger Show. We did. You're the Gellber. We both got back from ball. I'm trying to figure out
Starting point is 01:04:07 because you weren't even here in 1920, so how do you know? I only believe. Do you remember when they had the 100th anniversary? Yeah. Okay. Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:16 Okay. Question number two. Yeah. There were 18 quarterbacks who have won the NFL MVP award. What year did a non-offensive or defensive player win the NFL MVP? What year? There are 18 non-quarterbacks who have won NFL MVP award.
Starting point is 01:04:40 Okay. What year did a non-offensive or defensive player win NFL MVP? Oh my God. I know who it is. Damn. I'm with a 1982? Mark Mosley?
Starting point is 01:04:59 Oh, hell something. Oh my God. Oh my God. Hey, Sid. No. I'm sorry. I swear to God, somebody had to brief him on this shit. Hell no. Hell no.
Starting point is 01:05:19 Hey, I'm logged in. I'm logged in. www.shannon.com I'm logged on. www.shannon.com I'm logged on. This ain't no dial-up here. This ain't no dial-up. This that CG, that Japan guy is thousand times faster
Starting point is 01:05:34 than 5G. Somebody brief you on these questions. Nah. Nah. Door busted in like he housekeeping. Hey, he open the door. Talk about housekeeper.
Starting point is 01:05:50 I said, you're supposed to ring the doorbell first. Hey, somebody in this room is cheating. I don't know who it is. What? But the fact that there are certain questions on here that you should not know. I don't care how much. The reason why I know that,
Starting point is 01:06:04 because it was a strike-shortened season in 1982. Strike happened in 82, 87, and then again in 2011. So that was strike year. Three years the NFL's had strikes. What does that have to do with knowing who won the kicker that wasn't an officer or a defensive player? Because
Starting point is 01:06:19 I... Ocho, I'm telling you, I used to spend all my time... Nah. I spent all my time doing the same thing. Nah. Alright, question number three. Chatty cheating. I'm telling you, man. Y'all can see it on your end. Don't act like Rich Hall, man. I'm glad we're out here
Starting point is 01:06:35 and we ain't got no monitors because the chat thought I was cheating because I was getting the answers. No, but see, someone briefed you ahead of time telling you what the question would be. I ain't been down here with you. No, I was downstairs smoking. I ain't been in here. I ain't left my room as soon as we got
Starting point is 01:06:52 back to the room. As a matter of fact, I'm supposed to have some food. I don't know where it is. Oh. All right. Here we go. Shaq, back to the regularly scheduled program, in which I still feel a little funny because the fact that he knows these answers to these questions, something ain't right.
Starting point is 01:07:09 What NFL franchise is owned by the community rather than a traditional owner or ownership group? The Green Bay Packers. Okay, you know what? All right, that don't count. That don't count.
Starting point is 01:07:24 I told y'all, I got this at 6G. I'm just saying, that don't count. That one don't count. That's okay. I told y'all, I got this at six feet. I'm just saying, that don't count because my daughter, she don't even know about football. She only two and she knew that answer. Okay. Okay, here we go. What year did the NBA prohibit the drafting of high school players? So, LeBron was
Starting point is 01:07:45 03 Dwight Howard was 04 So it had to be We got him Chat Kevin Durant Was the year We got him Kevin Durant was the year.
Starting point is 01:08:08 We got him. Kevin Durant. I'm going to say 07. It was like 05, 06, 07. Whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't be trying to give... No, I'm saying 07. I'm going 07. 07?
Starting point is 01:08:16 Yeah. 07 is absolutely fucking wrong. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. See what I told you? See what I told you?
Starting point is 01:08:29 I told you. Let's go. What was it? Oh, 2005. Yeah. 2005. 2005. When was basketball
Starting point is 01:08:39 first introduced into the Olympics? What year? Oh, my gosh. Is he okay? We got him again. Ha ha ha! Ha ha ha! Let's go!
Starting point is 01:08:53 Let's go! Ha! Ha! 1952? 1952. My database is saying the answer for the question or the answer that you are looking for
Starting point is 01:09:10 is 1936. You are wrong again. In Berlin? Huh? You're wrong. You know what? I don't know where it was. It was in Berlin.
Starting point is 01:09:20 I don't know. How do you know? It was in Berlin. Okay. That's the German. That's Jesse Owens Olympics. Okay. you know? It was in Berlin. Okay. That's the Jesse Owens Olympics. Okay. I got a bonus question for you. Okay. So I can feel better about myself
Starting point is 01:09:30 against someone. I already got three right, so I'm good. You got two right. I got three. You got two right. I got three. I'm going to get another one too. Make it four for five, four for six. Bonus question. What is the shape? Chad, I know y'all don't know this. What is the shape? Chad, I know y'all don't know this. What is the shape of the American football? What is the shape?
Starting point is 01:09:52 Pablo? Who? What do you mean the shape? The shape. What is the shape called? The shape of the American football, what is it called? What is the scientific terminology in the name of the shape of the American football called the Duke? You don't know?
Starting point is 01:10:14 No, I don't. But I do. The name of the shape of the football, the Duke, is called the prolate thyroid. Ah, man. The prolate thyroid. I'm serious. You didn't know that? No, I didn't know that. Oh, I knew that. Huh? That's my memory bank.
Starting point is 01:10:33 Yeah. Again, I win. Well, how'd you win? You got two right. I got two. I got two right. I got three. I got the first three. How many words did I get right? Two. I got two. I got two right. I got three. I got the first three. How many words did I get right? Two. I got three.
Starting point is 01:10:47 And, and, and, I should have got, man, I knew, I knew, I knew. You said 2007. No, you didn't know. I knew, I knew, but I knew it was right after, but I didn't know
Starting point is 01:10:57 it was immediately after. But that's okay. I feel good. I want to give. I want to give. I want to give. How'd you win and we got the same amount?
Starting point is 01:11:04 No, I got three. I got three. Now it's time for our last segment and it's a Q&A. Q&A. No chill, Gil said. No invite.
Starting point is 01:11:19 Woo! With Ocho looking clean. Hey, you see me, Gil? Where you at, Gil? Hey, Gil. See, listen. Listen, a lot of people will look at it, Gil? Where you at, Gil? Hey, Gil. See, listen. Listen, a lot of people will look at it, right?
Starting point is 01:11:28 And you think it's very expensive. This one, it's for $20. It's for $20. I'm surprised it cost that much. Yeah. I pulled one thread and undressed it. Yeah, you probably would.
Starting point is 01:11:41 But here, I got it tailored, right? I got it tailored to fit, you know, real slim fit because, you know, I got a model-type body it tailored to fit You know real slim fit Cause you know I got a model type body Yeah What rail tell you Huh What rail tell you today
Starting point is 01:11:50 You know what That she be hating Yeah I ain't no hating What rail say Rail told me You need to get back in the gym So that kind of stung a little bit Cause that's like me
Starting point is 01:12:00 Me dating her And saying like Oh baby You know you need to unbig your back. How would real friends of mine tell her? She's like, get in the jail. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:14 But listen, I'm a stay-at-home father now. I don't have time for the gym. I have nobody to impress. I already got you now. I got you now. I had one tell me, say, you get a gut,
Starting point is 01:12:23 you get cut. Ooh, that's tough. Yeah, yeah. That's tough. I had one tell me, say, you get a gut, you get cut. Ooh, that's tough. Yeah, yeah. That's tough. Hey. Man, y'all ain't gonna get me. Y'all ain't gonna get me up out of here. Lady Ray said, hey, guys, I'm going to Vegas tomorrow, so
Starting point is 01:12:39 I need to know, what's your favorite thing to do? Favorite place to go in Vegas? And also, where's La Portia being served or sold? Brezza, Alley, what's the Willis place? No, no, no, no. Brezza in Resorts World, Alley 66 in Resorts World Alley 66 in Resorts World and what's the
Starting point is 01:13:09 they got them in LA it's something Willie yeah what is it called actually there's one on Cannon there's one on on on Wilshire.
Starting point is 01:13:29 What's that? Wally's. Wally's and Wally's. So it's being served, it's being poured as Wally's, Brezza, and Alley 66, all in a resorts world. And it's also being sold at Lee's Liquor.
Starting point is 01:13:47 But what's your thing to do? Okay, listen, when I do go to Vegas, the few times that I have been to Vegas, I do the same exact thing over and over and over. For one, if you want to do any shopping, there's an H&M inside Caesars Palace. Very, very good selection of pieces
Starting point is 01:14:02 that you can buy from. The shops in Caedars Palace, why the heck you gonna go to H&M? They got H&M. It's inexpensive. Good quality. Everybody ain't cheap like that. Yeah, they are. But anyway, H&M,
Starting point is 01:14:18 Cedars Palace. If you want food, if you want food, listen to me. Go to Soul Food Cafe on Rainbow Boulevard and ask for the Ocho Special. Ask for the Ocho Special. And again, if you want some of my cigars, you can go to Resort World, 8 Lounge, and ask for my cigars as well. And Hortia is also being served at 8 Lounge. Oh, yeah?
Starting point is 01:14:42 Yep. There it is. Knock out two birds with one served at 8 Lounge. Oh, yeah? Yep. There it is. Knock out two birds with one stone at 8 Lounge. And that is the only thing I do when I go to Vegas. I don't do anything else outside of that. Yeah, I'm mainly in the resorts world. I go to Carver Steakhouse, been to Wally's, been to, as you mentioned, 8 Lounge. Breakfast. Breakfast in Vegas.ar Lounge. Breakfast.
Starting point is 01:15:06 Breakfast in Vegas. Grits Cafe. Again, tell them Ocho sent you. You get 5% off your meal. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. But look, it's hard to find bad food in Vegas because, you know, they got all those
Starting point is 01:15:21 five-star, those Michelin chef, all those James Beard award winners. And because the food got to be good because I want you to keep coming back. Right. And I want you to bring people with you when you come back. So the buffet, the brunch, everything is excellent. I don't go to, I don't, I used to go and I go, I was at, I would stay at the MGM, but I stayed at the Belagio. I stayed at Venetian.
Starting point is 01:15:46 I stayed at this one and that one. Now, right, since the last two years, I've only stayed at Resorts World. So I can only tell you about the places that's in there and they're great. So, hey, Resorts World's where it's at. Jamison Phillips said, Uncle Nocho, y'all look tired.
Starting point is 01:16:01 Go get some sleep, King. We appreciate everything y'all do for us, but rest up, fam. I ain't tired. Nah, you know. We gonna be on everything y'all do for us, but rest up, fam. We're going to be up here until 3 o'clock. No, you're going to be up here until 3 o'clock. Because I do got to do, what you call it? I got a lot going on tomorrow.
Starting point is 01:16:15 I got, uh... What you got? What you got? I got first take. Since we're in the same, I could be on first take with you. We could be side by side. You need to call Stephen A. And I'm doing a little thing, you know, doing a pilot tomorrow, we could be side by side. You need to call Stephen A. Okay. And, and, and I'm doing this little thing, you know,
Starting point is 01:16:27 doing a pilot tomorrow trying to get it picked up. I want to go. God damn! They said it need one host, not a whole, not two hosts. Nah, but that was a package deal
Starting point is 01:16:40 like LeBron and Bronny. Come on, man. Nah, I'm going to No, I'm going to try to put something together that you can do. Yeah, put some boy in there. Yeah, I'm going to put something on there.
Starting point is 01:16:51 Yeah, put some boy in there. And don't require me. It's going to be you. Okay, okay, okay. That's what I'm going to work on. So that's what I'm going to send my people back to the drawing board with.
Starting point is 01:17:03 Come up with something Ocho can do. Maybe a game show or something. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. But you know how game shows work. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:17:10 You shoot like three, four episodes a day. Yeah. But you shoot them over the course of like a month. That's fine. That's fine. I'm okay.
Starting point is 01:17:17 Okay. Bye. Guys, thank you for staying up late with us. We appreciate it. We understand that it's really late and a lot of you guys got to get up at work or some of you guys are at work. So we
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Starting point is 01:17:42 all the, we're going to be able to get the inventory out to you guys. We got a shipment in. We got a couple of shipments in. So we're going to be able to get the inventory out to you guys. We got a shipment in. We got a couple of shipments in. So we're going to be all the back orders. We're going to be able to take care of those. So thank you. Thank you very much for your patience. Please make sure you go follow my media company pages on all platforms
Starting point is 01:17:57 at Shea Shea Media and my clothing company 84. Both handles are listed below. So guys, thank you. Ocho, that's Ocho. We're holding up our Webby Awards. Shea Shea Media won four awards. That one is for Nightcap, Funkin' Ocho, Best Sports Podcast.
Starting point is 01:18:14 I won the Vanguard Award and Club Shea Shea won for Cat Williams and the Marshall Unlit. So congratulations to Shea Shea Media, everybody that's affiliated with Shea Shea Media. Congratulations. Thank you, Pink Derrick. Club Shea Shea, thank you Marshall are lit. So congratulations to Shea Shea Media, everybody that's affiliated with Shea Shea Media. Congratulations. Thank you, Pink Derrick Club.
Starting point is 01:18:28 Shea Shea, thank you, The Volume, everybody from behind the scenes, the Ash, the CJ, Shea Heather to Alyssa, Savannah, everybody, Shelly. Thank you, all the guys, everybody that works behind the scenes, just not the people that you see in front of the camera.
Starting point is 01:18:41 But this is a shout out to Jordan for everybody behind the camera. Thunder beat the Mavs. Even the series. 100-96 Shea Gildress Alexander was sensational tonight and he got help from Chad Holmgren as they evened the series 2-2.
Starting point is 01:18:59 The Celtics beat the Cavs 109-102 to take a 3-1 lead. Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum combined for 60 points, 19 rebounds. JB was 2-3 from the three-point line. Jason Tatum had five assists, and they put the Cavs on the brink of elimination.
Starting point is 01:19:16 109-102. Game five, back in Boston with a chance to close out the series and meet whomever wins the winner of Indy and the Knicks in the Eastern Conference Finals. Thank you guys again for joining us. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp.
Starting point is 01:19:34 He's your favorite number 85, route runner extraordinaire, Bengals ring of fame. He's a pro bowler. He's an all pro, and he's from Liberty City. He's always repping Liberty City. He's Chad, Ocho,'s from Liberty City. He's always repping Liberty City. He's Chad Ocho Seco Rosado Johnson. See you on Wednesday. We're out. Call me. The volume.
Starting point is 01:19:56 The made for this mountain podcast exists to empower listeners to rise above their inner struggles and face the mountain in front of them. So during Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and then climb that mountain. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A lot of times, big economic forces show up in our lives in small ways. Four days a week, I would buy two cups of banana pudding. But the price has gone up, so now I only buy one.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Small but important ways. From tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding. If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it. I'm Max Chastin. important ways, from tech billionaires to the bond market to, yeah, banana pudding. If it's happening in business, our new podcast is on it. I'm Max Chastin. And I'm Stacey Vanek-Smith. So listen to Everybody's Business on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi.
Starting point is 01:21:10 We dive into the competitive world of streaming. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. There are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app,
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