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Episode Date: February 4, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! They react to Dallas Mavericks forward Anthony Davis being traded to the Washington Wizards. Later, Unc & Ocho are joined by Daniel Cormier, Cincinnati Bengals stars Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins, and much more!  Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP 00:00 – Daniel Cormier Joins41:25 – Jordan Poyer Joins51:00 – Ja’Marr Chase & Tee Higgins Join (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You gonna get him on? You better not messing tomorrow, man. You better not mess with tomorrow, man. You see, I've been trying to tell him. He wants to fight everybody. He does, he does. He's just saying that. Daniel Corrie.

He better stay away from tomorrow. man. No, we're going to go on the White House card. Me and him. Oh. D.C. Yeah. Talk to, hey, we had Dana on, and Dana's like, I don't know.

You know, it might be a possibility that JJ make that White House card. He and Pieta. If he, listen, I think if he, if Jones decides to go to 205 in fight Pereira, that's the fight. That's the fight. You don't think Pierre can go up? At heavyweight? Yeah. Yeah.

No, you're too small? I think, I got to be honest with y'all. I think John Jones is better at 205. Right. What? I think he better at 205. Let me tell you why. It takes discipline to get back down to the weight.

So he'd have to be so disciplined in his preparation. That's why he was so good at 205 because he was having to live so clean to make sure he can get down to the weight and do everything the right way. So, yeah, I think him and Pereira at 205 is the fight. You think he can get back down there after being down? heavy for like four or five years. And me and John Jones did a reality show together. Yeah. Just recently.

Uh-huh. And he's a big boy. Yeah. But he's not, he's not, he kind of like, you know when like a tall, skinny dude get a little fat? Yeah. That's how he looked right now. But would that take away from his skill set?

No. If you're able to get down after being so big, not so big, but being bigger for so long, that the takeaway or deteriorate your skill set, if you try to fight yourself down to a certain weight class just to fight? Chad, I think this dude is such a good fighter that if he can get down to that weight, he's going to be better. Because he's going to be faster.

Yes. He's going to be in better shape, cardio-wise. The way he looked against Steve Amy Eltris was crazy. He beat him so bad, dog. They quigg, too. I mean, I felt bad. You know why? Steepet took all.

Like, he waited so long to fight him. How are you going to not fight for two years and come back? No, no. You can't fight him your first. Not after two years off. Right. You're 41 years old. You've been a fireman for two years.

John beat him bad, man. John beat him bad. And then John, you know what's mad? You know what messed up about John Jones, man? It's crazy, man. You know what this brother did? What? Stepe Miotich is a nice guy.

Yeah, he is. Right? But John, him and I have such a bad history. So he don't have to, like, search for stuff to make himself mad at me. Stepe looking at him like, I never said that. Steepen looking so surprised. Like, I never even said that. But John and his mind are trying to make himself mad at Steepen. Right, okay.

He wanted to kick his ass. And so he did. Stepe ain't looking around like, man, I never said. Nothing about this man, children. What about this new partnership? UFC and Paramount, now if you have the app, you can watch, I mean, the streaming service, you can watch it. So now you're going to be in millions of millions of homes.

You don't have the pay-per-view. fight, and I think that's a great thing. I think you're going to be able to reach a larger audience because it's free. Hey, listen, the other day we had the first fight. It's called the numbered event now. They're not pay-per-views. Right. And it was two weeks ago we had Justin Gathe versus Patty Pimbley.

Yes. It was one of the most watch fights in UFC history. Wow. Because it was in so many homes because people just download the app. I think it's a big win for the USC, and I think it puts us in line. with so many of the other sports out there in the world. You don't pay to watch NFL games. Nope.

You don't pay to watch basketball. Now you don't have to pay that extra money to watch the UFC. Are you surprised how Gatchy, how good Gachy looked against Patty? I was not surprised. I was surprised that Patty didn't try to wrestle him more. Right. Patty seemed very, very open to standing with Justin. But Justin trying to throw hands.

That wasn't the way he was going to beat Justin Gage. Also, you're not beating Max Holloway. Who? You, you're not beating Max Holloway. You're not lasting three minutes with Max Holloway. I'm sorry, bro. What about, what about, what he said? What about, what he said?

Max too small. Max, he said, Max, he said, Max, he said, Max, he said, Max. Max, he said, Max. Hey, he said, Max. You told him right to him. You told him right. You were like, hey, man, listen, man, you ain't fighting this dude. You're not going to train me?

I could train you all I want. But he ain't going to beat. But he ain't going to stand. Hey, I want to stand, hey, I want to stand right there. He's going to start wrestling with you. No, I don't want to wrestle. But he will. But guess what?

He said he won Francis, too. Francis. You don't want Francis, man. I don't want Francis, man. Doesn't that was want Francis, man? Why he can't get no fights? Now that I think about it, right? With your extensive knowledge of UFC

and where's going, where's evolving to, is there a fight that you haven't seen that you would love to see now? That I have to see? That you have to see. There's a couple, right? There's a couple of fights that I want to see bad. Honestly, I do want to see Pereira at heavyweight.

I would like to see Tom Aspinall fight John Jones. I think after the last time when Tom Aspinall got poked. He didn't look good, though. And John's like, y'all want me to fight that? You know how John heals, man. That's what he's thinking. No, he said it because the reality is Tom had this aura of invincibility about him. And then when he was fighting against Cyril gone,

yes. Cyril was fighting much better than people thought. So John, like, yo, man, this dude can't fight me. Right. But I think that's a good fight. I think Iliot-Tupori and Islam Akachev would be the fight. That Iliate Tepori is something else, man. He's going to throw them hands.

But you know, the Russians, they just try to take you down. They're going to get you down now. They're going to make you tired. He put it on Jack Della Madalena, didn't he? Yeah. I couldn't believe how easy he handled him. Yeah. He handled him real good.

But Iliot Tepore in Islam. Because that Iliad is a fight, man. That's the fight. That's the fight. Because Ilya said, Patty, you messed up the biggest payee of your life losing to a 38-year-old. Ilya'd be knocking dudes out, too. Yeah. I'll be knocking them out, man.

But do you think that would be a better fight because Ilya's not looking to take it to the mat? And Patty definitely was not looking to take it to the mat, so everybody's just looking to throw Holloway. Is it going to be a situation where they come to the scenery like Gach and Holloway and just throw level? Let's go. Justin Gachie is my friend. I'm going to tell him don't do that with Ilyan to pour you, man. You can't do that with him. Yeah.

He hit so hard. When him and Charles Olivera were fighting. Yeah. By the time Charles Oliverer hit the ground, he was already sleeping, man. Yeah. I'll hit him two to three times on the way down. So, like, before he even hit the ground, Ilya hit him with the right hand.

By the time Charles is, like, knocked out and falling backwards, I'll hit him with an uppercut. He hit him with another right hand. And then some guys, some guys, actually, you fall down, they do like that. The referee, like, hey, man is over. Ilya jump on you. He hit you with a couple.

And he don't care. Let me tell you something, man. When I hit Stepe and he went down, I couldn't hit him again fast enough. I don't know how these dudes got the discipline to not hit him. Because in your mind, you're crazy. You want to make sure he don't get back up. Shannon, when that man, when you fight another man and he fall, all you want to do is jump on him.

Right, right, right. I jump on him and hit him. You hit him? I hit him three times. Damn. By the time the referee got him about it. His head done. When his head hit the Met, I say, oh, he's done.

At his absolute best, at his absolute best, is there anybody in UFC history was a better fighter than John Jones? No. Not even close. Not St. Pierre. No. Not Anderson. The truth. Not Demetris.

Hey, let me tell you something. People like to say you be hating on John Jones, man. You can beat you. I said, listen, man. And I told you this whenever I did your pocket. You did. You did. I was so good when he beat me that second time that if he beat me that time,

I don't think nobody could beat him. He was so, plus he tall, he got long arms. 84-inched reach. He got good knees. Elbow. We did a, him and I did that thing together. And we were talking about boxing. And he was like, if we boxed, it would be much.

hard to fight. Right. He goes because I kick Daniel a lot and I need Daniel a lot. And I think that is why or a thing that people underestimate about him. I don't think in terms of skills maybe he could be.

Maybe he was as good. But Connor McGregor was real good whenever he was like on his game. Yeah. Will he have a fight again, you think? Connor? Yeah. Tell him what you told me on the thing.

When somebody made $200,300 million He made all that money. It's hard to get up. It's hard to get up. Yeah? You remember what? Barb and Hagglin said, way back in the day.

Right. He said, man, you're sleeping on silk sheets. You got to get up and run six, seven miles every morning. Here's the thing about Connor, though. I always want to ask somebody, like, from not within the UFC,

like, do y'all think y'all going to watch him? Because you have seen athletes so many. Now, obviously, Connor has started to live the gimmick a little bit. Right. Right. He lives, like Rick Flair, said he was living the gimmick. Yes.

Connor's living the gimmick a little bit. Do y'all think Connor go fight again? Do you think he can't pull him? something away from all that lifestyle. No. The yachts, the party and all that stuff and get in camp. D.C., he's still a draw.

He's a draw. He's still a draw. He's a massive draw. He can fill out any arena. Wherever he goes. But he ever looked good in a bank. When the last time he looked good? Although, no, Cobbosthorone.

When he showed him. Hold on. D.C., even though he hasn't looked good, he's still a draw. He's a draw. He's still going to tune in the watch. But let me ask you this. When he wins and loses.

Let me ask you this though. He's selling so many pay. He said the other day. he goes, my business is pay-per-view. Because when Kabidi, he sold 3.5 million pay-per-view. Right. Do you, listen. John, I was on a pay-per-view, me and Brock Lesnar, we sold $1.2 million.

Yeah. I know what that check looks like. Him and Kabeeb did three times that in terms of just pay-per-view. Right. What's a number that you can get Conne McGregor in the cage? Right. What you got to pay him now that he cannot sell pay-per-view to get him to fight? Because he's already got $300, 400 million in the bank account.

He sold that liquor? Yeah. But do you think he can get in the camp? Because you're right, he is a draw. I just told y'all at the start of this. We had one of the biggest fights that we ever had in UFC history. Yes. Kind of fights is going to double that.

Yeah. No. I don't think you can get it back in the... You don't think he back? No. Why? Because he got that much money in the train like you'd have to train to be able to do it. But they got certain fights that you would give him.

Didn't Tyson Fury say I'm retiring? Tyson Fury retired three times. Three times. What made me come out of retirement, D.C.? I don't know why Tyson Fury keep fighting. Money. But UFC, but UFC is different than boxing.

Boxing I ain't got to worry about nothing but these. And the UFC, I got to worry about these, these, this, guillotine choked, real neck and trope, triangle chope, arm bar. You're right. I got too many things to worry about these things. You're right. And when you've made that kind of money. Yes.

Oh, so you and I, we talk about it all the time, the Peyton Manning's and the time, the Patent Manning's and the guy that's made hundreds of million dollars to steal. But all they're doing is throwing the football. Ain't nobody need to, just imagine, if they didn't have no offensive line. And now you got to come out there and go to the ball. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, nobody protected.

Yes, right. When you go into the octagon, like I always say, hey, they say, man, are you nervous about this TV? And I'm like, bro, I fought in front of millions of people in my underwear. You got some shorts on and none of the gloves, right? Yeah, yeah. So nothing makes me nervous anymore. Right.

But to do that as a very, very rich man. Yes. and get hit and get kneeed and elbow. What if you get cut? You start going, God, I don't really need to do this no more. Right. And as you get older, it gets harder to train. You don't recover as quick.

You're like, you can just pop out of bed when you're in your 20. You're like, oh, let's go do it again. I'm not sore. You start getting your late 30s? Yeah. No, I take the day off. Hey, you start. And, again, he hasn't fought in like four and a half years

because he broke his leg last time. Yes, yeah, you did. He broke his leg. And you know when you take that kind of layoff, and when Muhammad Ali basically missed three years, and that was because of the Vietnam War, he was never the same. He was never the same.

He was never the same. And he was in his prime, and he was still young when he came back. Yeah. He was still young when he came back. But he was never the same. There's nothing like fighting when you fight. Nope, you got to fight.

There's nothing like, oh, we talk about this. Oh, training, oh, off-season conditioning. Mm-hmm. You get in shape. by playing football. Yeah. You become a better fighter by fighting. Yeah.

All that spark. And then you took time off, and he's not a, Connor's not a guy. Oh, he's taking time off. And he's in the gym every day. No, he's not. He's on a yacht with his shirt off.

Yep. Yeah, he is. With 30 baddies on the football. Yeah, he is. That's the truth. Yeah. That's the truth. That's the absolute truth, man.

This game, we know, I love football. Yep. Who you got? You got the Patriots or Seahawks? Seahawks. What did you like about the Seahawks? Defense. I knew it.

I knew it. The fans. Man, I tell you, man, they'd be, hey, let me tell you something. That's a damn shame what they'd be doing in the 49ers, huh? Two times back to back. Hey, man, we, I was at a wrestling tournament. We in Los Angeles. We get done, we go watch the game.

I got some of the, because I live in the Bay. Yes, right. They love, they faithful to the Bay. They put that on their shirts. I say, man, that's cute, man. That's real cute, faithful to the Bay. They say, we're going to win tonight. They said, because, you know, they're going to win tonight.

because Coach is the type of guy, Shanahan the type of guy, that in that last game of the season, he don't show that much. He held some stuff back. No, he did. We don't want to give them everything because it's easier if we don't get home field advantage. We still can go get them in Seattle. Right. I say, man, you're all tripping, if you believe that.

Man, they went up there to Lumen Field. Seattle don't put it on them bad. They did. It was bad. Oh, yeah. And I'm watching that. And I'm watching that. And then I watch New England in Denver.

Now, the game was a good game. Right. But you're struggling to put up points against Denver. How are you going to put points up against Seattle? I'm sorry, man. I ain't tried to disrespect for Denver. No, it's okay. We needed our quarterback.

Y'all needed your quarterback. The fact that y'all played that good without the quarterback is the defense. Yeah, defense would be good. But, boy. I heard you talk about the fight that was just in Australia, Boko. Yep, yep. Are you surprised that he's still fighting at that level at that age? dude, they keep talking my retirement, man.

And then he just, Diego Lopez is dangerous. Yes. He beat him worse than he did the first time. Yeah. He's so smart, dude. Hey, I swear to God. Have you met him?

Have you guys met him? No, I haven't met him. Man, he's so small. He's so short. He might be five, six. Is he smaller than Mighty Mouse? No. No.

No. No. How was Mighty Mouse so, that, Good. He the best, bro. Dude, how much mighty mouse weight? He fought at 125. But guess what, Dushan?

He was the best. He one time was behind the dude. He got the dude with his hands locked behind him. Demetrius Johnson threw the guy in the air. Like, he threw him up in the air. Yeah. He releases him. When the guy starts falling because gravity takes hold, he puts him in the arm bar.

He called it. And then he said, I call that the mouse trap. He said, I call that the mouse trap. I said, man, did you make that up? He said, I made that up. He threw him in the air. By the time the dude, they hit the ground, Demetri's got him in the armbar.

He tapped. He was good, man. That brother was good. Are you surprised? Because I remember, and people don't remember, they used to have, the way they used to fight, they didn't have weight classes. And you fought, and you kept fighting,

and you fight, you might fight three, four times in the night, and the last man standing won. Yep, yep, yep. When they had a horse Gracie. Yeah, and they had Ken Shamrock. They had the big heavy hit, Dan to be severed. Yep, yep, yep. And you've been watching this, huh?

The first two fights were in Denver. I saw him. And so I was like, I don't know if that's fair. This little ass, because I remember when Horace Gracie came out there, I was like, this man, this big old dude by the tennis little dude. Commissions. Man, did he got a, he, I said, why he laying down? He's got to get this little last stuff.

I'm looking at it. I was like, he better get off from there. They make him. And I don't, but he did something. But the next thing you know, the dude was like, Right. Yeah. Did you think UFC would ever get to what it got?

No. Because I asked Dana. Dana's like, no. Dana said we just bought, we bought UFC logo in some gear for $2 million. $2 million. And now it's worth what, $7,8 billion? Yeah. But that's the thing, right?

Credit to the Fratita brothers, to Dana, but having the vision of what this thing could have been. Because at its core, right, we all love fighting. Yes. Right? If you're on the football field, if you're on the basketball court, if you're on a playground anywhere, the moment people start fighting, what do we all do? Circle around and see. Go towards and watch.

Right? So having the vision to recognize that fighting is something that everybody wants to enjoy. And it's universal. It's universal. Everybody thinks they can fight. So let's figure out a way to make people tap into it. And that's exactly what they did. It's, dude, this sport, I was a world champion for five years.

Yes, sir. I am more recognizable today because I talk about the UFC than I was even when I was playing the game. It's crazy. And I think the thing is what they did is that everybody thinks their discipline is the best.

So we're going to see what a karate guy could do against a jujitsu guy, what he could do against a judo guy, or what he could do against a Sambo guy. Especially at the start, right? That's what he was about. But today, I think that question has been answered. It's the wrestler.

It's the wrestler. He better than the jiu jiu jist? The wrestler's the guy. Because the wrestler, the wrestler determines where the fight takes place. If you got the jiu-jitsu guy, you don't let him take you down and you beat him in the stand-up. If you got the stand-up guy, you take him down and you beat him on the ground. It's the wrestler. See, the wrestler's what makes me so special.

That's what makes me so special. Because I'm a wrestler. I'm a two-time state championship. Champion. What, you talk about? I don't wrestle. What, 115? No, 205.

In high school. Boy, the 40-5 would pull your ass with him. He's seen. They didn't see. You were like, mighty mouths through that guy up in there? Two-time state champion in wrestling. And then I can stand up and go with the best of them. You're from Florida, aren't you?

Y'all from Liberty City. They don't do those wrestling. But you're a two-time state champion? Yeah. I got some friends in Florida, man. I'm a fact-checked. Yeah, fact-checked. Tell the fact-checked.

You might be, like, I'm thinking more like the Midwest is where the wrestlers are. Yeah, Midwest. Ohio, stuff like that. Oklahoma State. Iowa. Iowa, Oklahoma. I went to Oklahoma State. Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania, then. They've got the best high school wresting the country. Do they? Yeah, they'll be beating us, man. We got to coach in California, man. We've been in Pennsylvania kids beginning. We got to, California, I got to stick the football and the track and field running. Them country boy, see the weather get cold.

Yep. You go inside. You go inside. You're going inside. Yeah. Yep, you go inside. That's crazy. So when you get to change your season, like, hours and stuff like that where it gets cold and those guys,

see, the weather's warm so you can run all, you can, you know, track and field, you can train all around. Football, you can train all around. That's why the warm weather states do better in football. Football and track and feel. Basketball. Baseball. Yep, that's why. You going to the game?

I'm not. So my son, my son has a wrestling tournament. Okay. And we're going to the east. We're going to go into Virginia. So I'm going to chase the weather for my son to wrestle, man. It's cold, too. Like it.

Is that what he wants to do? He wants to do. He wants to play in dad's football. He likes football. He's hit now. Jenny, he can tackle now. He's been wrestling. He's a linebacker, right?

He went 173 pounds. in eighth grade. And he got to be almost as tall as me. Already? He means to. I like the tackle. I like it. So what is he going to go? You want him to do both?

You wanted to wrestle? I want him to do both. I think it's important to do both. I don't think that you should, I think that in most sports today, kids specialize. I don't. I agree. I think you got to enjoy your life, man. Plus, I like that.

And it helps with other things. It helps with everything in life. It does. It does. He specialize in one sport. Are you one of those parents that pushes and pushes and pushes and pushes. You've got to do this. You got to do that.

Or you just let him, whatever he decides to do, you're okay with it. I haven't pushed him that much. I haven't pushed him that much. And I think I could have pushed him more. Right. Right. Because when you wrestle or you fight and your dad is me, it's kind of hard, right? Because I've heard kids going, I'll beat D.C. son.

And I'm like, I don't want them to like. Right. The comparison. Yeah. Come on, man. Like, you didn't beat me, right? You beat my son. But that's his claim to fame.

But that's the claim to fame. So I kind of didn't push him all that much. Right. But now it's like I'm doing a little bit more. So he's in his gap year this year. Yes, sir. So he's in eighth grade, but he's doing like a, it's almost like a gray shirt year while he takes another eighth grade year before he goes in the high school.

So now he gets up in the morning, he lifts his weights, right? Then he goes and he does his, he does pads. I got him doing boxing. Right. Then he goes to school, and then he might wrestle a little bit. Then he goes home and he sleeps. Yeah. And I just do this game probably 20 pounds because you grow when you sleep.

Right. So during the day, this dude's sleeping. He's, like, so disciplined now. I'm so proud of that kid, man. He's doing a good job. How much bigger you think he's going to get? I bet he'll beat 200 and 10, 215 pounds when he's a senior. Maybe 220.

I think he'll get big. 6-1, 6-2. I'm the shortest guy in my family. Okay. So probably 6-1, 6-2, 21, 2-15, 220 when he graduates high school. You did play some football. Yep. Do you wish you had stuck with football?

No. Let me tell you something, man Let me tell you something Were y'all on good football teams at high school? We were decent We were okay So did you have people But you know

Growing up in the South Yes Right Everybody think they go on that NFL Yeah Everybody think they go on the NFL So if a dude is like Allstate honorable mention

He like the greatest thing in the world But he don't want to take no responsibility He don't want to lead And so I was on teams When we had like A couple good dudes But they were like very like cancer The only team that was good was the year I was a senior.

You guys know the Cupid Shuffle? Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. We went to high school together. That's one of my boys, right? So we were like the leaders of the team, and we were a good team. Right. But before that, it was bad. So by the time I was done with football, I was like, man, I'm on the wrestling mat.

And I didn't made the United States World Team for 16-year-olds. Right. So I'm traveling the world wrestling going, I know that if I do what I'm supposed to do, I'm winning state championships. I'm wrestling in world championships. But on the football field, I can't take all these guys with me. So I was like, I'm always going to wrestle first. Okay.

D.C. You're the man, boy. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. I appreciate you. I love y'all chemistry, boys. Appreciate you, D.C. Man.

Daniel, D.C. Cormier, one of the great M.M.A. mixed martial artists of all time. He could wrestle. He could fight standing up, but he's an unbelievable fighter. I appreciate you stopping by D.C. We wait, no, go ahead. Right now, that was, I mean, nonstop, that was two full hours of complete guests and we're not done. We have another hour left, but it's been some great guys stopping by it and sharing their stories from the season.

Everybody, I don't know if you guys have noticed, everybody that stopped by has picked the Seattle Seahawks to win this game. They're not a whole lot of people that's given New England a whole lot of credit. But I think that's a, I personally think that's a mistake. because I think New England is a very good football team, and I don't think they're getting the credit they deserve. It doesn't matter whether it's Coach Belichick or Brable or whomever is there. You hear about the militaristic style, the structure in which the Patriots operate. And I believe there's only one way to do things, and that's the right way.

And you have this system in place. Nobody is bigger than the system. Nobody is bigger than the team. And when you get that, you get everybody fall in line. There are no exceptions. You know what the standard is. you know what the expectations are of every individual that comes into this building. And so therefore, you don't have any problem with that.

So I'm very excited about all the guys that we've had come on and share their stories about what happened this season with their team and what could potentially happen in this Super Bowl. But it's been an unbelievable morning for us. Just getting started for me. I'm taping an episode of Club Shaysay at 3 o'clock. So I'm going to run back to the hotel, grab something to eat, lay down for a quick second, and then off to tape club, Shea, Shee, and then I got my La Portier party the night,

it's starting at 8 o'clock, and then tomorrow is the busy day for us, because we're right back here at Nightcap Radio Row and the live show tomorrow night, so we got a busy. I do have a busy next, you know, 36 hours or so, but this is what you sign up for. This is why you do all this,

because you really, really appreciate and love what you do. But, Chad, we want to thank you guys for joining us for Nightcap Radio Row, all the guests that come on. Kendrick Bourne, Daniel Cormier, Romeo Dobbs. We're supposed to have Ashton, Gentie, and Jordan Porriere, Kamari Laster came on, Jay Glazer came on, Tyquan Thornton came on, Fred Warner, and Romeo Dobbs.

So we've had basically two hours, a steady stream of guys coming on, talking about their season, talking about what they need to do in order to make sure their team is in this situation next year. And some even like, you know what? Seattle, they're good at all three. They're good at every level on both sides of the football. They're a physical team. They get after the quarterback.

They can run the football. They can throw it. We know with JSA, Rahe, Shahid, and Sam Donald. So everybody that we've picked. Okay. Okay. They just expect the Seattle to win this ballgame. I felt that kind of way the last time of situation,

Seattle and the Patriots, when Seattle did what they did on the goal line. I still can't explain that. But here we are at Radio Row. It's great to see people. I've seen a lot of people walk by throwing my hands up. So when you see me do this from time to time, there's somebody walking by.

I recognize them. They recognize me. And it's basically, hey, how you doing? I'm busy right now. I'll catch you on my way out. But again, thank you, Chad, for joining us. This is what makes it so special is that we do this and you guys that have been supporting us from the very jump.

And I cannot thank you enough. I'm trying to thank. Who's our... Ash, who we got coming up next? Okay. Our next guess is going to be the running back number six pick in the 2025 draft for the Las Vegas Raiders. at 975 rush yards, five touchdowns, caught for another 346 yards and five touchdowns.

Ashton Genti is going to be joining us shortly. He's wrapping up an interview across the hall, and he'll be joining us shortly. Ocho had to go to only a 75-80-old person has a weaker bladder than Ocho, but he had to take off and go to the bathroom, but he'll be back shortly. So I'm holding it down in the meantime. Hopefully, guys, you got your tickets because of Nightcap Live at the Earps Theater tomorrow night, starting at 8 p.m. So if you're in the area, the meet and greet tickets are sold out,

but there are a few general mission tickets left. So if you're in the area, if you're a Patriots fan, you're a Seattle fan, or if you're just a fan of NFL, or you just want to pass the time and have a few laughs. Got a great jam-pack show for you tomorrow night. Can't wait to get out and see the fans because you guys make it all worthwhile. So I'm looking forward to seeing you guys,

the meet and greet, looking forward to seeing a lot of people in the building tomorrow night to have some fun. Like I said, we got a very, very jam-packed show for you tomorrow night and looking forward to seeing you guys in attendance. But in the meantime, oh, just then we got another. The Chicago Bulls are trading Kobe White, Mike Connolly, Jr. to the Charlotte Hornets for Colin Sexton and Usman Dian and three second round picks. Kobe White to the Hornets.

Mike Conley to the Hornets. Colin Sexton to the Bulls. Kobe White goes back to North Carolina. You know, remember he was attended the University of North Carolina, so he's back in the home state where he went to college. Mike Conley came from Minnesota. Most people know him being a Memphis Grizzly. He was at Minnesota, but he knew that wasn't going to be his final stop,

and they tried to accommodate him to get him somewhere where he'll still be able to play. But Chicago Bulls are trading. right, Mike Connolly, Jr. to the Charlotte Hornets for Colin Sexton and Usman Dianne and three second round picks. So this NBA trade is trying to steal. It's trying to steal some shine from the Super Bowl. Another trade. The Chicago Bulls are trading Kobe White, Mike Connolly, Jr., to Charlotte Hornets for

Colin Sexton, Usman, Deang, and three second round picks. Kobe White to the Hornets, Mike Connolly. Jr. to the Hornets and Colin Sexton to the Bulls. Colin Sexton had just gotten there because he was traded from Utah. Remember, he started his career at Cleveland, ended up going to Utah, and the

Donald Mitchell trade, and now he's on the move against. The NBA, the NBA is having trades, but the trades that were waiting for, it hasn't been enough of the big boys to steal the shine away from the Super Bowl.

Well, there's not a trade that can happen to steal the time from Super Bowl. I mean, you know, you'd have had James Harden traded. And listen to the Brian and Wenthorst, he says that, you know, all the pieces are not coming together for the Yonis trade. Ooh. So, basically, you'd probably need, I mean, if you wanted to steal some shine from the Super Bowl. It would have to be a Yonis or a Joddray trade. You know, you're going to have to probably get a Steph Curry trade.

You're going to have to get a Steph Curry or LeBron James trade just to summons up something that would possibly steal somebody to Thunder. You mentioned Harden, but Hardin is moved so many times. him being traded like, okay, yeah, he's just being traded again. So we're used to that. But Giannis or Ja, or Ja, or LeBron. Yes. Even though if he was the veto and trade clause, you know, behind closed doors and all of a sudden we see a move with him, you know, today,

that would be, that would take much of the shine away from. I think the thing is that what Harden is that, I don't know, look, you know, you hear the reports he wanted a two-year extension and had $40-plus million a year. That's not kind of the direction that the clippers are wanted. to go in. They wanted to have, they want to have cap space for 2027. Some of these guys are going to be available. So, we really don't know kind of the direction, what's true

or not true. But all I know is that he was unhappy. Look, if you go back and study Houston, Houston gave him everything that he wanted. He wanted Dwight Howard. They got him Dwight Howard, then all of a sudden he didn't want Dwight Howard. They got him Chris Paul. Then all of a sudden he didn't want Chris Paul.

They got him Russell Westbrook. Then all of a sudden, he didn't want Russell Westbrook. And you know what? My time in Houston is up. I want to go to Brooklyn. He goes to Brooklyn and he pairs with Kyrie and KD. And then all of a sudden he wasn't happy there. He says you know what? I want to go to the guy that brought me over to Houston.

Darry, he's in Philly. I want to go to Philly. He went to Philly. And then he goes to Philly and he's playing with Joel Embed and we know Joel Embed his injury history. We'll talk about that another day and time. James Hardin is one of those on.

He's going to move. When things ain't going right, he going to move. maybe he the one that's reason why it's not going right. You notice all the teams that he's been on that's not been going right? You think with a player his magnitude? As great as he is? If every room that you walk into and it smells, it might be you to dokey. I'm just saying, that might be you to dokey.

So with that being said, because think about it, Ocho, they've given him everything that he's wanted. Right, right. He had a guy with Joel Embed that won the MVP. And he's like, well, you know, I don't really get to do my thing. Bro, you got the ball. Oh, in your hands. You got the ball.

Right. And look, I get it. I mean, he's like, look, I still got a little leverage and I'm going to try to swing. I'm going to try to swing this hammer while I'll still have it. Is this his last stop, you think? No. No, I don't. I don't think it's going to be his last stop.

That's going to be exciting for Cleveland, though. That's going to be exciting. I like it. I mean, normally you don't. Who's going to have the ball? Harden? Well, I think it's going to be him and Mitchell because Donovan Mitchell works best with the ball in his hand.

See, that's the problem. So you've got two of the same players almost. You've got two scores. You've got two players that need the ball in their hands to be able to facilitate. Can Donovan Mitchell play off the ball? Can James Harden play? I haven't even to see James Hardin playing off the ball.

They can, but they're most effective with the ball in their hand. Yeah. Can't? No, there's no such thing as can at that level of player, but they're most effective with the ball in their hands. and you don't normally see guys that say, you know what, I want to go to Cleveland. Normally most people are trying to get out of Cleveland.

Nobody's trying to go into Cleveland. You think Brother Garland is happy with his move to L.A.? Darius, no? Yes? Probably not. I don't think in either situation they're close to winning a championship. It's still L.A. though.

Yeah, L.A., you have them highest taxes. Everything that comes along with being in L.A. Yeah. But look, he's in a very similar situation. I mean, look, Kauai doesn't have the ball in his hands nearly as much as Donovan does, but it's still Kauai's team. Yes. I mean, Kauai's playing unbelievable.

He's having a career high, shooting almost 50% from the floor. He's shooting 40% from the 3, 90% from the free throw line. So he's having an unbelievable season after missing a couple of games to start the season. He's playing extremely well. He's, you know, as he said, he's healthy. And when he's healthy, he's one of the best players in, in the NBA.

Now, he's not the two-way player that he once was. Injuries have robbed him of that. But as an offensive player, his mid-range game, his ability to put the ball on the floor and still get to his spot and do what he needs to do, he's still an exemplary exceptional player. It's just the injuries, you know, for someone for certain reason,

he's not been able to shake that injury bug. But so far this year, he's going to stream the way. Let me text Pat Riley and see how far along we are. I don't know how far long you guys are I know what time of the deadline It's tomorrow No I thought it was the The field

Oh the fifth Okay Yeah You let down is four Four Eastern Okay I remember remember what I said on this show Many times we talked about basketball

I told you it was either Yoness Or when Jarre Hell it might be both of them You never know Well you saw Memphis They're in complete rebuild They've got

They traded Desmond Bain In the offseason they just traded Jaron Jackson the 3rd to Utah And so could there be a situation where they go ahead and move Jha also? Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. But I just think the thing is, I mean, they're in complete rebate. Yeah.

They've torn this thing down. Scrabbit. Yeah. Well, that's basically what they've done. Yep. And they got a lot of draft compensation coming in the years to come. I think they got three or first, three or four first round picks for Bain from Orlando. Right.

I think they picked up a couple of first round picks and a couple of pick swaps. For Jaron Jackson, and obviously if you trade John, you're going to get more first-round pick. Oh, yeah. So they are in complete rebuild. This is going to be a very, very different team. If not by the trade deadline, there's a great chance it'll be a very different team in the offseason. We're just waiting on Aston Gentie to finish up his other, his interview, and he's going to stop by. Ashton Genty.

I was talking before you, when you were in the bathroom, I was talking. Everybody has come and said Seattle. about one people to speak New England. And I think that might be a mistake, Joe. You think so? New England's better than people think. I think, listen, we know how good they are. You know, I just saw Drake Maito for 306 yards in a wind.

Yeah. And it's no storm. I saw that. But I think people are picking Seattle, which I did as well. I love the Patriots. I love what they're doing. I love what Drake May has done. I love what Mike Brable has done culturally

and keeping that Patriot weight system and the way they conduct business alive. But I'm only leaning towards the Seahawks because of that defense. Yes, I know Christian Gonzalez is good. I know Carlton Davis has been doing his thing. Collectively as a whole, at all three levels, the Seahawks are the better team defensively.

Yes. That's the only reason I'm leaning towards them. And then, hell, we see what Sam Donald are we going to get? Can we get a Sam Donald? If he takes care of the football, they win. If he turned the ball over, they lose them. Exactly. I mean, if you go back and study the playoffs over the history,

and especially this year, teams that have turned the football over, they went home. The Broncos went home. The Houston Texans went home. you are going home if you turn the ball over. It's really not that complicated. And let's not make more of it what it needs to be. But I do think it's going to be an exceptional ball game.

And that's what I'm expecting to happen on Sunday. But we'll see. We'll see who handles the nerves the best. None of these players, none of these teams have been to the Super Bowl. So it's not somebody like a Brable. Brable has been to the Super Bowl number of times. But that's as a player. Now he can, you know, he can like, okay,

guys, look, we know why we're here. We're here to win a football game. All that other stuff is unimportant. Let's stay focused. Let's keep the main thing, the main thing. Let's make sure we practice like we're supposed to, meet like we're supposed to, be where we're supposed to. And then come Sunday, we let it all hang out. Oh, yeah.

But I'm excited. I think it's going to be a very interesting ball game. Like I said, I don't think a whole lot of people are giving the Patriots credit because, like you said, he threw for eight or six yards. They only scored 10 points. But you know what? I got to do what I got to do to win. Yeah. You know, look at the Rams scored 27 points and lost.

I'd rather score 10 in win, than 27 to lose. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see who handles the nerves the best. We'll see when they get the momentum, how much separation can they put between them and the other team. And so we'll see how this thing plays out. little bit. We got some great guests lined up for tomorrow. I can't wait to tomorrow. We're supposed to have a couple of your home boys

supposed to be coming through. Tomorrow? Today. They tied up, huh? Right now we're supposed to have tea and a chain supposed to be coming through later today. For real? Wait, hold on. Later today, what time? Well, they're supposed to come, you know, before we get off there at one. At one? Okay. they're in the building?

I can get them to get up. I don't know. But that was on our itinerator. I don't know where they are currently. I don't know if they have prior engagements or they would just come to go over here. But normally... This is the only engagement.

But you know how this thing works. You know, you're here sponsored and you come by and you try to pitch their products. Fred Warner was here with Experian. And guys that do it Frito Lay or they'll be with Coca-Cola. with all these other things and they come tell us about what they're doing. Is that AG?

Where? Right there. No. No, that ain't AG. That's a... Huh? Okay. No, that was a Clarence Hill Jr.

Oh, Dallas. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, that's who that was. Okay. Okay. They here? Where?

They're coming. They're coming the only way over here now. Hey, hey, hey, hey, mate, hey, chat. We got the two best receivers in the NFL. They're coming, and I'm excited. I'm excited. What do I ask Jamar and T when they get here? Huh?

I got my chat right here in front of me, so you can ask me, what do I ask Jamar and T that I haven't already said, that I haven't already asked? What would you like to ask? We'd ask. I'm just curious. I'm so excited. And I can get an autograph.

I can get a picture. Olegipoyer. Yep. One of us now is Bill's safety. He started his career with the Philadelphia Eagle. What's up, bro? How you doing, man? He started his career in 2013 with the Philadelphia Eagles.

And then he spent 2013 to 2016 to complete the rounds. And then he goes to the Buffalo Bills from 2017 to 2023. And he spends one year in Miami. And now he's back with the Buffalo Bills signed late August, activated week six. You're back home. Buffalo, I mean, I think, you know, you've been a lot of stops, but I think you would consider Buffalo your home as far as team-wise.

That game in Denver, was that as painful of a loss that you've been a part of? It was up there. Because, I'm sure, some of those. For sure. It was up there. You know, I was hurt that game, so I wasn't able to be out there with the boys. So even more harder to watch, you know. That's part of the, obviously, the 13 seconds.

I had some tough losses in the previous years, but yeah, that was up there. You know, game comes down to what it came down to. Everybody has going to have their opinion on this out of the other. You know, one play here or there. You know, it is what it is. And, you know, we got to take that one and take that one on the chin, you know. Now that we're in the offseason, how's the body feeling, how are you holding up? What's next?

Yeah, man. This was the first year I felt healthy in a long time. Yes. I took my hamstring. I'm 34. Still doing it at 34, bro. I love it. You know what I mean?

Still doing that at 34, bro, which is, it was incredible season. Right. I came and signed on the practice squad. It ended up, you know, being on starting by week four, week five. I love the boys out there. Body felt great. It was the healthiest that I felt in a long time. You know, as I transitioned to, you know, whatever's next, you know, I am a free agent right now.

And so, you know, Buffalo is home. Do you want to continue to play? I would be open and continuing to play, really mostly in Buffalo because I love. Is that what your home is? That's why we're home home home. home is, but, you know, I spend most of my career out there. I'm on the down, I'm on the backside of my career, man. I went back.

There's no such thing as backside. There's no such thing as backside. That is something that they put in our heads to make it seem like it's when it's time for us to move up. 100%. You know, speaking of, you know, we could always use the safety down in the 513. Just in case, I'm putting that out there right now, just in case, you know, I can talk to Mike, you know?

No, I'm for sure open to keep playing, man. I can still play at a high level. And again, you know, whatever, whatever happens is going to happen the year before, Miami. Right. Super tough. You know, I signed there after I got cut from Buffalo. I wanted to get back on the bills.

Right, right. Just ended getting smacked by them twice. The whole season getting smacked around. You know, the idea coming back this year was to finish my career the right way. Right. Back to Buffalo. But, you know, I'm hoping to keep playing. I can still play the game at a high level.

I love playing this game. And I play the game because I love the game. Yeah, you know what that is. Definitely. I love playing. I love competing. I love being out there with my boys. But, you know, again, as I transition,

I'm more transitioning to the, to mental health, mental awareness. I think a lot of us as we transition, we have this identity crisis, I want to say, not crisis, but just, you know, our whole lives we've been playing this game, and that's been our identity. As we transition, we kind of, we lose that. And so finding ways to understand who you are outside of football.

So, you know, we do a lot of events, holistic events, breathworks. We're going on tour in May. In May with artists, we're blending. in mindfulness, dance, breathwork, medicine, all together, and music, altogether. Bringing 300 people together and breathing deep, man. So excited about the transition, whatever's next, whatever's next, man. I look up to you guys all the time, just seeing you guys doing your thing, man,

and that's motivation in itself. I know I have a voice. I know I see the game, the way that I see the game. I know I can talk about the game, but we'll see what happens, man. I'm just enjoying life for what it is. You said something very interesting. You said, you know, this thing up, this football. because for the better part of your life, everything has been structured.

You're going to be here at this time. You're going to be here at that time. You're going to be this, this and this. And all of a sudden you leave the game of football and there is no more structure. Because now I don't have meetings at 10 o'clock in the morning. I don't have practice at this time. And I don't have a game. And I don't have this and I don't have that.

So as you start to make that transition, because like you said, I got less time in the league than I previously had. So what's been that transition like for you? How have you started to put those pieces in place to make sure because football is what I did is not who I am? Yeah, and that's a great question because I struggled with that for a long time. You know, I struggled with alcohol for a long time, especially early on in my career for probably six years of my career. I've been several for five years now. Progress.

Progress. And, you know, as I've transitioned into sobriety and I've learned a lot more about this world that we're in about myself, I've learned, you know, I'm more than a football player, right? Like, football is what I do, and it's what I love. I love playing the game, right? But it's not who I am. And so understanding, I think that transition is understanding your purpose or having a purpose, right?

Like, what is your purpose for being here on this planet? Like, why did God bring you here? And for me, I just believe it's to be a light, man. To be a light in this world, to shine. And I don't pretend to sit here and know everything about everything, but I know enough about enough to understand, like, you know, there's more to this than, than what we see on our daily day basis, you know, and when we go inward, when we dive within,

when we look within, when we look within ourselves, we can understand ourselves and understand and be aware of the daily decisions that we make and those decisions and the consequences that come from those decisions. You know, it's just, it's an awareness, right? It's an awareness. It's the same thing, like, you know, what is pressure, right? Like, in fourth and forth and four got to happen. What is pressure?

Pressure, you're in a situation, and you're, pressure is, you have expectations that the situation should be this. And so you're thinking, you're thinking outside of the now moment, right? Like the moment is now. There is no such thing as pressure because it's only now. And so when you can collect, when you can,

you know, we train our bodies all year long, right? You train our, to go out there and perform on Sunday to be at our best. Our brain is a muscle too. And so I believe that, especially as younger athletes, we have the ability to train our brain

to go within and to learn about pressure, learn about why you feel the way you feel in certain situations, your emotions, learn how to control your emotions to have awareness of your emotions. You know, why does this piss me off? Why does this, you know, why does this tick me off? Why does she always come in with bad attitude?

And, you know, you can then shift your energy, right? And put more authenticity and more love into the world and you see how the universe starts to work. I can sit here all day and talk about the laws of the universe and, you know, all the spirituality stuff. But I say all that to say, you know, we are all more than athletes. We are all more, and we are all one.

We are all connected beyond what you can even fathom. I think it's all important for us to continue to share our life, just like you guys are doing. Sharing your light, being who you are, and not being afraid of that. And that's how I transition. That's what I'll continue to keep doing. You understand this league is a quarterback-driven league, and you play with one of the better quarterbacks.

But the expectations are the greater the player, the more expectations of the place. be it fair or unfairly, that is just the way it is. Because we know that this is why they make the most money. This is why they get the most endorsements. That's why their face are plastered all over everything. Do you think Josh in this situation, does he understand the magnitude and the gravity of what's in store and what's been placed on him? Absolutely.

I mean, he's face of the franchise. He's face to the NFL. but he's still Josh, you know, he's still in the building, you know, being himself. He understands his aura, right? He understands who he is, and it's the best quarterback in the league, in my opinion, and he'll be the best quarterback in the league until he's done playing, in my opinion. And, you know, I always love riding with Josh, and, you know, unfortunately you haven't been able to get it done in those big games,

but, you know, he's always somebody that's going to come back and keep fighting and keep throwing and keep running people over, He's hurling people. And so he does understand the weight of the world is on his shoulders. But I think he rises to that in the moments. He played hurt the last three games of the season. He plays through. I mean, you see it in his interviews.

You know, they ask him, hey, do you hurt this in the game? He's like, no, I'm good. Like, what? Right. Everybody saw you have a broken. Right, right. Everybody saw you hurt your hand and you twisted your knee or whatever. But like that's who he is, right?

He's a competitor. And I go to war with him 100 out of 100 days. Most definitely. Because I see it. Like in his eyes before the game. And yeah, you fall short. It happens. How are you going to respond?

And I know he's going to respond the right way. I like it. Appreciate it. Joy, boy. I appreciate your job. Buffalo Bill safely. Thank you, man. Appreciate that.

All the best. Stay healthy, man. We got to get back on FIFA, man. Man, what's the time? We are. Absolutely. I appreciate your boy. Yeah, sir.

Be good. Come on here. We got the guys coming in here. We got Jamar. Come up, baby. You good? Tell him. See.

What's up, bro, you got? That's going on. Yeah, yeah, you know, I get to say, you know, I got tired of looking young. I wouldn't look a little older. Look, my age. He can't grow, he can't grow old. That thing won't.

That thing won't. That thing won't, it won't lock in. Hobbs, what's up? Hops? I fucking love you. Rob! Huh? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. I bet I don't just do the long, long time. What's our, Rock? You good? Good to see you, bro. All right, joining us now, two of the best receivers in the NFL. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Join us right now.

The best receiver in the NFL. Okay. 1A, 1B, the greatest receivers in the NFL. Matter of fact, matter of fact, Jemar Chase, T. Higgins, they need no introduction, but I'm going to introduce them anyway. Jamar had 125 catches, 14, 112 yards, eight touchdowns. T had 59 catches, 846, and 11 touchdowns. but unfortunately that was not enough because Joe got hurt

and they ended up going 6 and 11 third in the AFC. I'm going to start with you, Chase. Bro, you know, you've been in this situation before. Not here, but you've been in the Super Bowl. You know what it takes. And once you get that taste in your mouth, it's kind of like a dog once he bites somebody. You've got to be very, very careful

because he wants to continuously bite. Once you got that feeling, what is it going to take for you for this to be a normal occurrence to where you guys compete, really compete for a championship year after year. Yeah, everybody knows the turn defensive one championship. And we got to start that first. First things first, we got to work on that. And then we can worry about the offensive side.

We got the weapons for that. We've been having a weapons, but by far, everybody knows we've got to get that defense right to get back here. T, I got a question. Put your GM head on. You're the GM, you're Mike Brown, you're Katie, your Duke, any of those people that are in positions of power that can make the change is necessary to make sure we get the opportunities to always be in contention,

not the ASC North. I'm talking about throughout the entire league and being in the postseason, what changes do you think need to be made? Keep it PC, but just if you were in that position, what do you think needs to happen? I feel like, me, I would go and get, you know, somebody on the interior D-line.

Yes. Max Crosby. Jeffrey Simmons. Look, we both said that earlier. I said that early. I said Max Crobby. I said, Jeffrey Simmons. See?

That's $2. on need for sure. I like it for sure. You have to, like you said. Because at some point in time, look, you won the Triple Crown last year. And guess what? Mr. Playoffs, I have another 125 catch, 14-100-catch season. Mr. Play-ups. In the Provo, missed the playoffs. At some point in time, I love these individual stats, but I play a team sport. If this was tennis, if this was golf, I'm good. I'm Gucci.

But we play team sports, and I want to have teams. That's the main thing. Like, yeah, all the individual success. That's cool. You know what I mean? But we play the game to make it to the Super Bowl. Exactly. So if we're not doing that, then we're not doing nothing for the organization. One of the other problems that we've always had as a team,

for one being able to compete week in and week out. It's not the elephant in the room because this happened many times in his short career. How do we keep Brother Nine healthy? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have that consistency? Opposaline. That's one thing. Excuse me. What?

Offense the line. Come on. How do we keep our brother upright? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have those chances to be talking about competing in the Super Bowl? Honestly, I mean, like he said, offensive line, but I don't think we need

a new offense a lot. I'm going to be honest. They did a good job. And the end of the shows. Stats could prove it, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like the biggest thing, that's more of an off-the-field thing. I'm not saying he don't take care of his body,

but that do come in him to play. Maybe he got to do more with itself, you know what I'm saying? So that could be a him thing. Maybe to eating, you know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of different ways you can look at that on the opinion side, but, you know, at the end of the day, it's really going to got to be a him thing. He's been listening to Ocho and talking about eating McDonald's?

No, he doesn't listen to me. He don't eat McDonald's. He don't. See? You don't. I'm the only when they eat McDonald's a locker, I ask him, that shit at my locker every morning. See what I'm talking about? Everybody asks me, you want something?

You want some? I take him a grud. See, and now you get a better understanding. Those in the chat that are listening, you heard what to eat? You heard what he eat? That's why the success is what it is. You ain't seen, you saw the clip, you saw a little clip of Joe in McDonald's? You didn't see that?

I did see that. You ain't seen it? He was sitting down in the... Yeah, he was sitting down to McDonald's. So I'm telling you, he'd probably take heed about, you know what? Let me listen to what Ocho has been saying. Yeah. And I'm just, yeah.

Are you guys the best duo in football? Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. Man, talk your shit, man, don't do that, man. I ain't got to pop it too much, man. I don't need to pop it too much. Okay, okay, okay.

Because if I start popping it too much, it's too much. Nah. They go, team. You say it, T. Y'all are the best duo in football? I feel like so. Yeah, yeah. No, don't say it like that, man.

Say here. Yeah. You know that. Look, since he wanted to pop it in somebody, let's turn it on the film and look at duo tapes. There we go. Let's turn it on the film and look at duo tapes if you want to go to. Yeah.

That's all I didn't just say. Speaking of duos in the NFL, is there another duo that you guys appreciate and like watching? I like Cideline and George Pickett. Ooh. I like that. That's a great duo, you know what I'm saying? They compliment each other. Right.

See, that's, that's a good one. Do you see a picture? I've always said, I would love, I would love. And people, they get on me, well, you didn't say that when it was time for tea and in Chase, I've been vouching for George Pickens to go somewhere else where he can get his true value and what he's really worth, because I understand how Jerry Jones is going to play when it come time to pay.

And what Pickens, to me, is shown, is he can be a true number one, have his own team outside of having a share catches with Cudy Lamb. What's your thoughts on George, picking stand in Dallas or going to somewhere else where he can have his own team and be the number one? I could. Real? I could.

You know what I'm saying? Like, he got another guy on the other side that the defense got to focus on, you know what I'm saying? So that open him up kind of like how we go, how we go. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, do good enough to go take over a team, you know what I'm saying? Sure. I got to agree with that, though. I feel like, I don't know.

I like that Batman Robin shit. You know what I like that I like that You know what I feel like It's just a lot more production Coming out of the duo thing Than the single person thing You know what I'm saying

It's easy to lock your ass down When you by yourself, bro And I always tell him this shit When I be playing with myself Sometimes I be He can see me Come to the bench And I'm pissed off

And he's like bro I'd be like You know what I got to go Take me a strode on the side line I'm back in all right I'm back in all right Hey leave him alone Yeah

He knows how I am You know what I'm saying It gets to So a point where I get aggravated when you buy yourself. So that's why I always, if I was like, you know what I'm saying? I need teeth. Not for me, but it's helping the whole offense. You know what I'm saying?

Now it's opening up the run game, not a pass a game. Now we're going any down. We can pass a ball every down and they don't know. Right. Right. But I think the thing is for me, for George, and because you see a guy at his size, huge cage radius, he can catch the ball in traffic.

He's physical. He's great run after the catch. He can take a smoke ride and go 80, or he can take it off the top for 60. Yeah. But when I look at him, he had to leave Pittsburgh because he had gotten comfortable, because he had gotten comfortable doing things his way. So he needed to go somewhere else where they weren't going to accept that.

And once he locked in, he's like, well, damn. You mean a gentleman, I could do this? I got 1500 kicked yards in me. Yes. And I also think he was in the better offense. Yes. I'm about to say. I think that's what it more was.

You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's him getting used to something because you could get bored with it over time. But I think also, what's around you can make that character. But you can ever, ever, ever, professional. You can never let your circumstances dictate how you play. It was dictated how he played.

Yeah, but that. I don't think that you're right. It's a lot more than that. Yeah. It's a lot more than that. Because everybody got their opinion on what he got doing, what he's doing in that locker. You know what I'm saying?

Don't nobody really know what's going on. At the end of the weekend, you're judging for somebody else. Don't nobody know what he's going through. You know what I'm saying? So you can't really look at him like that. I just look at him like that. I mean, he said it.

You saw against Detroit on Thanksgiving. He has a tendency to drift, and he's not the first. I don't want people to think, well, I'm saying George Pickings that's the first receiver. It happens a lot because what we would do with our number one receiver, we would get him involved early so we could have him late. Because why am I asking, why am I going to throw Chase the ball? I'm going to go the whole first half, and I ain't going to get,

I am not going to give Chase any catches. Then come forward a quarter, hey, Chase, you ready? No, I ain't ready. I was ready in the first half. T. T. Hey, T. What do I say when I come back to the sideline sometimes?

I'm tired of the superhero shit. I'm fucking taking the superhero. You know what I'm saying? So like some of that, that happens sometimes. And like you said, you're a fucking pro. Yes. And they're going to expect you to make this shit. They give you this money.

They're going to expect you to make. So what you got to do? Give it to me, if you give it to me early, I ain't saying you got to throw me 15 balls in the first quarter. Right. But I'm saying give me. Three target is a quarter. That's all you need.

Give me an opportunity. I just want to touch the ball. Throw me a smoke. Throw me a slant. Throw me a jail break screen. Just give me something. I want to touch the ball. But y'all want me to go.

They didn't ask Michael Jordan to wait to the fourth quarter of the football or Kobe. It's different, though. We're not about to put basketball and football in the same time. That nigga, MJ, could take, that nigga can pass the ball. He's going to do this in front. He's going to throw that. I'm going to throw that.

I'm going to wait for Joe to hike the ball from the center. I got to run past two defenders, cut this. It's a lot more. But that's what. But see, they know how to get you the ball. When you go on the sideline and you say leave him alone, he acting up, Zach. So you said why they got to wait until that long? Yeah.

I understand that. You know what I'm saying? Why I got to show out? Sometimes sometimes the game take you away. You know what's funny? I think it happens all the time is I think coaches at times they overcomplicate things. It's really easy. It's simple.

There's a scheme, their tactics, and if you want to get a player, you want to get a play of the ball, you can get a play the ball early. Yes. You don't have to get it to him often, but just to get him involved, let T touch it, let Chase touch it. Okay, now I can run my offense. Yes. Now, when the time comes and the defense dictates, okay, now we can get him the ball, then allow the floor of the offense to go through them.

Hey, hey, they don't throw me the ball the whole first half and they come to first quarter. They're 84, what you like. I would like to get the ball in the first half. That's what I would really like. Now y'all want me to be an officer coordinator. Y'all told me to stay in my place earlier. Now y'all want me to be the officer coordinator. Nah, I'm good.

Keep doing spreading around. You know, we're going to spread it around, get everybody involved. Go ahead and get everybody involved. I mean, and we got a quarterback that want to spread it around, too. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's about me and T get alone so much, you know what I'm saying? Because we got a quarterback that's going to spread it around. Right.

It's not like we're going to end to the game, like, Like, it might be a game where we know 100% like, motherfucker, we feed you, we feed you in the hell of the other. You know what I'm saying? You might know a couple games. Other than that, we don't have those powers. Bro, you don't have to chase. You're going to have 23 targets in the game, Chase.

Listen, sometimes I don't even know that. I don't know that. T. you got to come to me and be like, bro. Flaco, game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you got 15 targets? I'm like, huh? Like, you know, I just found out how to win the iPads on.

I just found that out. He'd be telling me, nah. I don't never know until you tell me. So tell us, you got a podcast now, right? Yeah. So tell us about the podcast. What you're talking about? Yeah, so I got a podcast called Chasing No One with overtime, and I got T helping me start in it. So I'm going to get in a little bit of that, you know what I'm saying, try to get y'all on. Okay. We have some topics about that. So I'm going to try to be in every bit of a topic as I can. Right.

So is this going to be, is this going to be your round? this is going to be an off-season thing, how you approach? I want to do it in season, for real. That's the biggest thing. You know what I'm saying? I want to try to give one episode during the week. Okay, okay, okay. That's not bad.

But I'm not going to push it. Tuesdays. Bingo. You know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a schedule out. That's my goal, though. To get it during the season because that's more of like I get,

now they see how I'm thinking during the season. You know what I'm saying? What I got to say about the games, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of questions are going to be about what's coming up for my game, which I'm going to try not to answer. Right, right. But that's the part that I want to show the fans, you know what I'm saying, also from T. Is it going to be live or is it going to be taped?

It's some live, some tape. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I'm going to try to stream from Twitch. Right now I'm live on Twitch, so I'm doing that to help it out, so it's going to be combined with overtime. Right. So is it just going to be about that? Are you going to let them see your day-to-day life? Okay, guys, we're going to work out.

Here I'm going to eat. Here I am, T and I, Chase and I, T, and I, we play in games. We play in FIFA. we playing mad. Yeah. So my Twitch is really for like day and a life or behind the scenes, you know what I'm saying? So the camera follow me everywhere.

Okay. And then the podcast is like me talking about your football life. Football life, you know what I'm saying? And now they're seeing two different perspectives. And also I also do a YouTube channel too. I got a YouTube where I drop videos. T has one too. So, you know, I just showing off, you know,

behind the scenes of a lifestyle of everyday lifestyle. Right. Because a lot of people want to know and ask questions about stuff like that. Right. I like it. I like it. How did you guys become, so close because it seems like you guys are like like you guys are almost like brothers i mean you guys

are like really close y'all do a lot of things together uh i see you guys in miami i think y'all purchased y'all got cars y'all got somebody got a mcclaren somebody got a lambo and then you know you guys i mean how did you guys become so close i feel like you know that first year you know what saying, preseason, he'd come in, you know what I'm saying, he took a year off, he'd dropping balls. I go to the serial course. I'm like, I'm like, Troy, man, I don't know, man. I don't know about this kid, you know what I mean?

But then, man, you know, just working together, man. Every seeing each other, every day, you know what I'm saying? The bond just got closer and closer, and it was just no-brainer. Hey, the off-season is here now, obviously, what do you guys doing this off-season, away from the game of football? Me, you know what I'm saying? I'm down in Florida, joining the weather. other man trying to stay away from the cold oh so you down you down the street stay with the cold but we just

had it was 40 degrees out of the day I was here what you're doing what you're doing this all season before you get back in the groove of working working out um really I'm just you know I got the podcast going I'm trying to do the twist I'm trying to do a little more off the field stuff trying to get my my off the field stuff going for you got to build your brand yeah building the brand up so that's the biggest thing I want to do first and then uh you know I'm into the fashion stuff so I'm gonna try to go to like pairs and Milan for the fashion world you you you want to do you want to do Do a fashion line or you just like, you just, obviously, is that something you interested in? I mean, open that door.

Since you want to say that, Fabletics. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I'm with Fabletics. You know what I'm saying? This is my thing. So I'm coming out with, right now I already have a drop right now for the 2026. I already dropped the line.

Okay. And then I'm going to drop another line after that in 2027. Try to come a little more cozy or fit, a little more swag style with it. Can I get a package? Yeah, I'm doubling and dabbling a lot right now. I'm trying to, all that. What? Can I get a package?

I got you. You know, I'm in the fashion, too. That's easy. Just send me the size is the way it's going. I'm a large. I'm a large. What is it about fashion? Because you see a lot of NFL player.

It wasn't like that when I played. It wasn't. Guys come with, cover all blues, you know, it came, flip-flops and everything. And you see guys now a little bit more fashion forward. They're wearing more of the designer. They're more focused and more conscious of their looks. What do you think, what contributed to that?

And why is that important to you two? well me I'm cool laid back I'm throwing on sweats black forces and I'm cool you know what I mean but I do bit and dab a little bit in fashion I don't really take it too serious you take it serious

yeah I take it I take it you take it seriously yeah I take it seriously like he said I could like I can mix it up like the thing about me like I don't care about being judged if I'm coming in like real like baggy

baggy jeans you know what I'm saying oversight stuff like that because I know it's really the appearance and how I am as a person that's what's gonna give off you know what I'm saying and my clothes just

make me feel better about my character when I'm talking at the end of my character on how confident I am when I walk into the office and I'm talking about fabletics you know what I'm saying

that's just how my mind gonna work about it and over time I just got around more fashion world and just how it works I just started to like it over time you know what I'm saying

and I started at a young age stealing my brother clothes out of his closet And making my own swag You know what I'm saying? So I've always been a clothes here It's just not that I've had more access To it I can do what I want

And plus the thing is you're the right side See a big old end word like me I'm sorry See that's the thing with me too Man I might go shopping for some pants Right I might think the pants look crazy But then I try out on

They're coming up here I'm not trying to wear No high waters That's the thing about y'all Y'all got the custom stuff That's the best thing Nah it's the best thing I want to go get it up

Oh I like that Right off the rack. Exactly. Right off the rack. That's what I want to do. Big and tall. Congratulations, great season. Hell of a season.

Congratulations, Chase. Great season. Continue success, man. Hey, team success is where it at? You want to build that brand? Win. Amen. That's first.

For sure. Appreciate you, man. Thank you for coming on. Jamar Chase, T. Higgins. Thank you guys. Appreciate you. Hey, let me get a picture real there.

We got a character. We got another breaking story. Chris Paul. to the Raptors. Ever since he had gotten released by the Clippers, he was looking to join on some team. Some thought he might join the Houston Rockets because they're in need of a point guard.

But it is the Toronto Raptors. Chris Paul, his final season will be with the Toronto Raptors. I'm glad he was able to pick up and finish because it would have been bad to man. His last season, he's made it known that this is his last season, Ocho. And to finish his last season, only playing, you know, not even half the season.

I'm sure that would have left a nasty taste in his mouth. Yes, sir. But he's going to finish his last season with the Rafters. They have a very good team. Brandon, V.I. They got Scottie Barnes, who's an all-star. Now you add Chris Paul, someone that can distribute the basketball. I think they have an opportunity to make some noise in the East.

I'm not saying they can come out of the East. Right. They can make some noise. They can make some noise. Yes. Make it exciting. Yes. Yes.

Oh, that's it, huh? Oh, okay. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. I love you. This is a, this. Call me. Nightcap Radio Row. We're back the same time tomorrow.

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