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Episode Date: February 5, 2026

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He's the only player to be a pro bowler and an MLB all-star in the same season. A Heisman trophy winner, one of the greatest running backs in collegiate football history, and arguably he's going to say who you arguing with the greatest athlete of all time. There he is. Absolutely. The legendary. Does anybody really know your first name?

It's Bo. All the people don't. No. It's both. But what's your baby? It's good. You're good? You're doing.

It's good. You're doing all right? It's a business. Bo, how you doing, bro? I'm doing great. And as far as my name is in turn, now you all don't know this because you're too young. But your parents will.

Back in the 60s, there was a TV doctor. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. He had a TV show like Marcus Welby. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. His real name was Vincent Edwards. Okay. I think my mama had a crush on him, so she named me Vincent. So she named me Vincent Edward.

So that's my name, Vincent. Okay. I like that. I like that. Do you ever think, like, you know what, how good you could have been if you said, you know what, I'm just going to play baseball, or if I'm just going to play football, or was your dream always to play both sports at the highest level? I've never thought like that.

For the simple reason. it was in the cards for me to do exactly what I did. Period. It was in the cards for me to get injured July 13, 19. It was in the cards. It was in the cards for me not to be in the Hall of Fame or to go to the Baseball Hall of Fame. Or go to Baseball Hall of Fame or Football League.

It wasn't meant. It wasn't meant for me to be, if they had it back then, As far as the NIL is concerned, I wouldn't have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL and baseball. So it wasn't meant. But I'm happy with the way my life turned out. I say this, and I'm not a very religious man, but God put speed bumps in everybody's road a lot. And it's up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on down the road. Because if you don't slow down when you're going on this speed bump, what's going to happen?

You're going to crash. You can't chase the bottom of your car. Yes. So the thing that I did slowed down And I didn't worry about My injuries I didn't worry about my hip Cleveland Manor's test got a bigger plan for this

And now, and I'll tell you this I'm four months Cancer free. Really? What type of cancer do you get? You don't mind us asking. My urology found two cancer spots on my prostate Now they say

Now they said Well, we could treat it I said no hell you can't you gonna take this motherfucker out I said I'm 63 years old dude right yeah but I said but I didn't live my life

but I didn't been in some and the first thing that men think because I know the first thing y'all think prostrate he got to make shit my sex life old man that's bull that's bull that's bull

still going strong that's bull you were taking them rose spars then no no no no but there's medication out there for you.

Yes. To where if you want to be intimate with your girl, which what, you, but you can't. You can't. At the drop of a hat. Damn. At the drop of it. But that's all having knowledge about this.

But we as men. Yeah. I tell you what, women can go on TV and they can talk about they've had a hysterectomy. They've had cervical cancer. They've had breast cancer. They talk about everything. everything.

Leak it. They sit up and talk about it and have a glass of wine. But we as men, shoot. We ain't talking about it. Yes, sir. We ain't talk about if we're wearing a depend. We ain't talking about none of that. We ain't talking about, hey, my doctor found out that I got a lump in my breath,

and I got breast cancer. We don't talk about that because it's taboo. Yes. We got to be the alpha male. Yes. We got to be that alpha dog, the strong person that's going to, and sit up and be on top of everything. Right.

We can't let somebody know that we got shit ballings. So with us, we keep all that balled in. The only time we talk about it is we behind closed doors with that one doctor. Sometimes we don't go home and tell our family. Nope. No. Because our family, us as being the leader, the top dog, and we want them to continue to do that. But see, after my surgery, first thing I did, call buddies that I played that.

that I went to high school with. Got on a conference call with all my baseball teams. Talk to my teammates from the football team. Talk to guys that I played against, guys I played with, in the pros on both baseball and football. Go get checked, man. Because the thing that we could go out here

and tackle a bear and knock him out. But we're afraid to go have that conversation with the doctor. Because we're afraid of what he's on to have. Results, yes. Yes. I don't want to know. See, and that's it, you're hurting yourself and you're being selfish when it comes to your family. You absolutely right.

You hurting yourself. You hurting yourself. But in the thing that I realize is that, and I'm BoJack. If it could happen to me, can you imagine? Now, after my surgeon, you would not believe the number of ex-professional athletes have gone through what I just went. Yeah. Nobody knows. I had the same thing.

Because I had dealt with it in 2016. Yes. Yeah. But they caught it early. I had seed implant where they used the radioactive seeds, like the size of rice pellets. They put them in there, and it emitted their radiation for 21 days. I didn't have to have mine removed. But now, I have to say this.

Having seeds is one thing. But cancer is just like mother nature. Cancer is just like mother nature. Yep. They both undefeated. They both undefeated. You try to keep it at bay as long as you can. But the thing about it,

you know what I know. I said that and talk to my doctor, my shirt. You know what I know. Because every six months, you're looking over your shoulder. Yep. You dread going back to the doctor. Yep.

And you shouldn't go through that. Listen, Biggie's because I have my first PSA test. My number is going. 0.0.01. And before my service, my number was over 7. Wow. See, the thing about it is that they have a Gleason score. Yep.

And the PSA tool. Yep. You have to combine. Yep. And if you're over 7, you've got to get something down. Absolutely. And mine was 7.1, 7.2. Last three weeks ago, I got my PSA back.

And then it was 0.0.01. So you get it taken care of? Yes. You don't have to work. You don't, you're not looking over your shoulder every five or six months. Bo, Ben, did you realize how special you were when you was in high school, when you was in college? Did you realize you were this special? I wouldn't call it special.

No, Bill, you were special. No, Bill, you were special. But I enjoyed having the parents of, you were special. of the other teams sitting in the stand pissed off yelling get that man off the field with our children yes but I enjoyed that

because we now a lot of people don't know in our backfield there were two other backs that was just as fast as me in high school and as dangerous as me our three backs in the backfield

we were the state four by one relay team for four years or a minute. And I anchored the floor. Damn. So we got the tight end to be the second leg. Right. The tight end were moving like that?

No, but he was six, three, six, four head. He had a long try. Okay, okay, okay. But we just had to fill in with somebody. You got to have four runners. You got to have four runners. So, yes, so even then, I didn't see it as being special.

I had the mentality. that when I stepped on the field, when I stepped across that white line on the football field or stepped across that chalk line on the baseball field, in my mind, and this is the way I thought. Once I step across that line, I'm the bad of the motherfucker eye.

Yeah. And you got to prove to me that he better to you. He better than me. And that's just how things were. Our coach taught us, Coach Dad Die. Coach Pat died. He taught us in college.

When you step on that field, you have to have one reason to snatch his soul, to take his soul, make him want to quit the fourth quarter. Because the fourth quarter is when we're going to turn up the heat. We're going to run with you for three.

Right. And we may score 40 points on you in that three-quarter. But the fourth quarter, you're going to be looking toward the side-out trying to get the coach. to take you out. Tell the story of why you went to Auburn

as opposed to Alabama, because I've heard you tell the story before, but tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama. I was an Alabama fan growing up all my life, because that's all we knew. In Alabama, it was Bear Bryant, Coach Brad. And he was in the midst of all his natural championship. And so I was ranked as one of the top 10 running backs

in the state. And Tuscaloosa Loose was on it. 30 minutes from my house. Auburn's two hours. And I didn't know where to hell, Alvin won. But I know they were the two biggest scoop. Right.

And I come home one day from a baseball game. Walk in the front door, old white guy sitting at the table with him on a drink and coffee talk. It was their defensive coordinator, he and Donoghue. I spoke, went on the upstairs. My son, he came out to Ed Vincent. My name's Coach Donahue.

Coach Brian would have come up with himself, but he had a family issue that he had to deal with. So we talked, and we were talking, he was telling me how good Bama were up and how good they're going to be and how Auburn had beat Bama since 1977. Wow. It's 19802. And then he said this. Before he said that, he said, look, we want you at Toscalo.

But personally, I don't think you'll get the opportunity to play until the end of your sophomore. or the beginning of your junior season. He said that you in person? Shit, man, shooting me. And then he said this. Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 19772, and they never leave it. So he said, well, I'm going to let you finish

doing your watching uniform because I know you got a game tomorrow. Vincent, it was a nice time to you. So I'm thinking, and I'm shaking his hand, and I'm smiling, but I'm saying like, motherfucker, if you think I'm going to sit on your book, been for 10 years. You have to win. So by him saying, and they never will, I made sure my freshman year.

With that bow over the top? I racked up $256 on it. As a freshman year. Out of freshman. Was that the ball over the top? And that long run down the side line. Because it was, that was fourth and that was fourth and gold. They ask you to say, what you want?

He said, coach, give me that play over the top. No, we actually practiced that play where we were doing the three-on-three years. Yeah. And the defense were 10 I-S up. We couldn't score. So I went on and said, Randy Camel was what I caught back. And I called him Warren me because he wasn't about it. Even with his pants on, random about a buck eight, with all the pads on.

and said, man, I said, look, man, I was seven-foot high jump at the high school, which I walked. I said, let's want to play five-go-up. We ran that play three times straight. I scored all three times. So, Coach Dodd said, why don't we put that play in? Okay. And we put that play in, and he called it over the top. And I scored.

Wow. Tell them you got a podcast. You just started a podcast, right? I'm starting my podcast. But Bold knows men's health. Okay. So all of that stuff we just talked about. Okay.

It's about getting we as men to open up about personal medical issues. Because we hold stuff in too long. We don't talk about it because we think that it denigrates us as a man. Yep. The more you talk about it, the stronger it makes you. So I think it's one of my jobs, like I said earlier, I don't think I was put on this earth to be able. great football player, great baseball.

I was prone to serve to help put some sunshine in somebody's cloud. And by talking about this where nobody else do, where nobody else wants, I figure that I'm giving something back to the public. Because the public has given me enough to where I can, for the next 10 lifetimes. But I want to give something back. And that's knowledge about men's help.

Don't sit up and keep this to yourself. and the thing that I want to do, let's say I come to your, I come to your city. Great. Call you, you get all your doctors. Yeah.

Your cardiologists, your urologist, your proctologist, get everybody, bring them to the fireside chat. Put them on stage with you and I. Now, what we're going to do is advertise it enough

to where all the local men in your town are going to want to come. We're going to charge them five to five, five to ten, to come for a one hour, five-side chat. Now, those funds aren't going to go to me, but the funds will go in a fund

to help that guy who don't have good insurance like you and I. To help pay for the PSA. Yep. To help pay for the colonizer. And what the doctor's going to do, because we are putting them on blast and talking about their company and their clinics, they got to give that patient

a discount. Big, because we are bringing you more pay for that. And if they had to pay for that market, it would cost them a half a million to a million and $2. So we're giving them that for free to let them come there and talk. So it's all about giving back with me. And if I figured that I could put some sunshine

at one somebody's cloud, I feel that I've done my job. So it's not about Bo Jackson and put these guys. in sports. It's about what I'm doing now. Right. And for years since I left sports,

I've been in the shadows. Yeah. I don't raise three kids. They're all grown, married, got good job. Still trying to get them off the payroll. Good little with that. Good little with that. Still trying to get them off the payroll.

But I'm happy. I got two grandboys. I spoil the shit out of them. Yeah, my son. The kids tell you, say, Daddy, you treat them better. It gives them more than you gave us. Because I love them more.

I just because I love them more. You was my child. These are my grandkids. See, I can bring them over, jack them up on skittles and coat, and send them home to them either. That's what I do. Buy them whatever they want.

My oldest son who's four years old. He'll get my phone or his non-a-nars phone, but he said, Nala, what's the code? Put a cold in to open it. go to the Target app. That's him right there. Yeah.

They'll go to the Target app. And he'll find something, let's say he'll look at a car. Yeah. There's that pop up. He said, I don't have this one, which means you've got to buy me this one. I don't have this one,

so you've got to get it from me. Right. That's what it's all about. I like that. Man, I'm happy. But the bike ride, you used to do a bike ride across Alabama, Bo Bikes Bama, and this past summer was my last ride. Been doing it since 2012.

Yeah. There's raised money for tornado things. But I want to do something different to help support minority charities. Okay. And I have come out public with that, yeah. That's in the state of Alabama. Okay. That's my home state.

Right. In Chicago, I have, Bo Jackson's Give Me a Chance Foundation. Right. And we raised money for youth golf and for half of the foundation. The other half we donate to the Shirley Ryan

Ability Lab, which is the number one rehab hospital in the world for the past 35, 36 years. And we give funds to their challenged patient their vision. So it's all about giving back from it.

That's what they're. It's all about this. Bo, you said your grandkids, your grandkids not going to play football. They're going to play baseball. Baseball. That four-year-old, because I take him in the Sox Park with the area.

He'll get out on, I see this little rubber balls, get his plastic bat. In this joker, hitting balls to second base. And he's four years old. At four already? He can stroke. He can stroke. Guess who?

He'll say, guess who the three most famous baseball players in the world. Guess what he said? He said, Aaron Judge, hop-ha, and me. And I love it. Yeah.

I love it, man. I'm blessed to the point to where everybody's in my family's happy. Yeah. My grandkids are happy. I'm happy. My friends are happy. And I'm going to do everything I can

to keep those people that's in my little, little circle. close to me, make sure they're all right, and they'll make sure they're all right. How often do you get to the park? How often do you get to football games? Do you go to sporting events? Were you a big... I know you were great at sports,

but did you enjoy sports? I love sports. So you get to the park, you get to the games much anymore? No. And it's for this reason. What's it? People always ask. Well, what you like, you can play football

right now. It's a man I live. I pull a muscle lifting the toilet seat. I'm talking about. I ain't playing no sport. Come on. Be good. I sit down golf. And now I can't golf because I got a bicep tear.

And... You don't get it fixed? You don't get it fixed? But I think it's strange, but I don't think it's... Because I had the MRI. This is just part of getting old. Yeah, yeah. Shit don't heal like they used to.

No. And you go to band, feel fine and wake up and something hurt the next morning. It feels like you got run on the Bible. What did I do? But I'm thinking that my wife then beat me in my sleep. But yes, it's like that now. And we got to take care about it. We do.

We got to take. Don't ignore stuff. Now, if we wasn't on this mic, we wouldn't be talking as cordial and polite. Right, right, right. But don't it. You know our brothers talk. Yeah. They ain't going to say stuff.

We ain't going to say stuff. Don't ignore it, dude. Don't think it's going to go away because you don't know about it. Right. Right. Get to you. Because number one, your doctor's not going to lie to you. You either accept the truth and do something. I'm Dylan Playfair.

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This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs.

They're cheese. Oh, it's a rap. It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his vote Knicks at? He ain't too far behind.

He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it.

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcast or whatever you get. Get your podcast. ...and move on down the road. That's your only option. That's it. Unless you ain't going to be here long.

Because look at how many guys that we played against. With. Played against, played with. From high school to now, that's not with us. I lost three former college teammates all within the span of like three months. Yes. So tell us one more time about the podcast that you're launching. It's black men.

No, it's called Bow-Nose Men. Bow-None. Bow-nosed men's health. Check out this podcast, Bow-nosed men's health. You're talking to the greatest. This was the greatest athlete of our time. I mean, the last hundred years. There might have been others before a hundred years ago,

but you're talking about the last hundred years, this man, and I got an opportunity to see him play up close and personal with that Raiders team when he came to Denver and he ran over our linebacker in 1990. You remember that at a mile high? Well, I was hot as a jalapeno, whatnot. But you know what I was talking about. right after I got off the field

from that run? Yeah. I went and got that oxygen, boy. That's that attitude. That altitude. Absolutely. Bo Jackson, Bo, thanks for stopping by, man. Thank you for having it.

Good to see you. Good to see you. Lord, it's a pleasure, baby. Thank you, brother. God bless y'all. You do, Bo. Have a go with man. All right.

Hey, chat. Hey, chat, we got one of my hands. But you know, I'm going to tell my brother, you say you could beat him in golf. Don't be lying, go ahead. Because first thing he's, he, first thing he's gonna do, it's calm. Yeah.

Hey, I hear you lying to my, I hear your line to my brother. I see Marcus got his dog. Yeah. Hey, that motherfucker never stay at home, boy. No. If they're the golf tournament or the big. What up, bro? Hey, chat.

Hey, the thing you did, uh, no, but Marcus, Marcus was the fullback for Bo in Oakland. Yeah. I remember. Yeah. I remember. We got, we got, we got the, we got the, we got the, we got the, we got the clean, sanitized version the boat. Oh, I can tell. I can tell. I can tell.

Marga. Come on. What's up, baby? You got O.V. We got O.B. We got O.B. Huh? I love when you guys start fighting each other. Huh? What's your boring? Morning.

What's good? You're good? O'B. Huh? Which one? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I appreciate. I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

No proud seed. That's his son. Yes, sir. How you doing? All right, Marcus. Let's see you. We got both in there. Yeah, no, for sure.

That's my other brother over there here. You're younger than me. Hey, I ate all the food. You know, this is the first player pick me, my brother. Yeah. Really? Hey, I didn't know you got to be a lot. Yeah.

Hey, Mike. Hey, the T-back. Get your ass off camera. We five. You block in my shot. Oh, sure. What's up? What's up?

What a bag on your head. But he might play D-B? Yeah. He's on the 49th team. Super Bowl team, and he played with us. He won a Super Bowl in 97 with us. This is what you get with live television. You never know.

You get Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen, Bill McCar, blocking your view. Just having a conversation like, bro, you know, we kind of lie. Joining us now, Office of Tackle, former pro bowler. O.B. Yes, sir. Orlando Brown, Jr. Oh, how you doing, bro?

I'm doing good. Good to see y'all. How did everything, baby? It's been great. Oh, yeah. So far, this is. offseason? I mean, what have you been up to so far? Yeah, I've just been in the facility, man. You know, I don't leave Cincinnati. No. That's where I train. Yeah, that's home now. Yeah,

that's home. I trained there a year-round. I love Sinti, man. It's really, it's a special place. And for me, so much of the sport is about still staying in it. Yeah. And I would go down to Miami and train and don't get me wrong. I get in shape. Right, right. But it was the mental aspect. I felt like I would have to build back up when I came back. And so training hard on the facility day-to-day, keeping that same work routine year-round. It just keep me in that state of Come on, man. But that's so much. I like your approach.

I love your approach, but most of the time I think about when I was playing is after rigorous six months. Yeah. Rigorous six months. Yeah. Putting in the time on and off the field when it came to the game and studying the game, becoming a student of it, being somewhat of a sponge. Yeah.

Once the season ended, I needed to completely disconnect. Yeah. I needed to recharge. I need to reset. So your approach, I like it. Yeah. I like it. But do you think you'll look back and say, well, damn, I,

Never, bingo. Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, early in my career, I would show up the training camp. Yes. Out of shape. I would take my time off. I would be heavy, you know, showing up my first four or five years in the league. And, you know, I would take that time off.

I would take that six weeks or, you know, from whenever the season ended until. Now, you can't take six weeks. I can't do that. Right. I'm going to put on 50 pounds. You know what I mean? Okay, I get it. So, you know, for me, as a big guy, like, I got to stay in it.

And I keep my routine. Okay. I like it. I like it. Man, what you guys got to do? You look at your guys. You got T, you got Chase. Brown, the running back came on and played unbelievable.

You got a solid tight inning Gassiki. Offensive line was good. Probably could get a little better. But what do you guys need to do? Oh, there's two years in a row with the talent that you got. You got a top five quarterback. You got a top one top two receiver. You got T on the other side.

Your running game is solid. What do you guys need to do? to get into the post season and make a deep run like you did in 2020. Yeah, well, you know, man, we got the hardest piece of the puzzle in nine. You know what I mean? Yes. And a lot of teams don't have that. We're fortunate to already had a hardest piece of the puzzle.

But to me, man, it just come down to executing. You know what I'm saying? I feel like in terms of our overall continuity as a team, it hasn't necessarily been there when we needed it. And so whether that be us winning games in November and December, you know what I mean, it just, it comes down to all of those different things, man. And to me, it points to the players in the locker room. You know, what are you willing to sacrifice, you know, to make sure that we're able to go out here and win these games?

If you were the GM, if you were Mike Brown, I want you to take, you're not Orlando Brown, the offensive to tackle. You are the owner and the play caller, the one that can push the buttons on what we need to do to get over the hump. Whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively, what pieces would you love to add to the team to help you, guys out, whether it's on offense, whether on defense, whether it's special teams, just in general. Yeah, no, I mean, it's always tough answering these kind of questions because, you know,

my brother's in there, man. Yeah, I understand. And I put every player on the spot as if they weren't said player, how can we improve our team? Well, I think the reality is, in this league, you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl. Right. It's one of the trenches. And so, to me, you know, I think it's going to start there.

However, however that is, whoever that is, you know, having a playmate. I believe at one of those four positions that's going to be extremely important, especially in our division. And from there, man, I think, you know, that would take care of a lot of issues. You know, if you're asking me if I want a safety or over a D-Limon, not at all. You know, I think just taking care of the trenches, man, adding more weapons in that area, you can never have enough D-Lignment. I remember we played when I was in Kansas City.

We played Philadelphia Eagles in a Super Bowl. I think they broke the single-season sack record. And, I mean, they had a wave, three waves, two or three waves, two or three. three waves. I'm seeing B.G. Robert Quinn, Josh Sway, you know what I mean? They got a wave. They got a wave of ruffers. And so to me, that's what it takes.

That's what it takes in this league to be able to win. More depth. I like it. Yeah. I like it. You got, I mean, when you, I look at you, you play a premium position in left tackle. How many more years you want to play, O.B.? I'm going to play so on 40. 10.

How old are you now? I turn 30 in May. That's another 10 years. Yeah, man. What year is this for you? I'm going into nine. Nine. Oh, yeah, yeah. You might be going to get 20 then.

You might be like a, what's the guy? Slater. Slater. Jackie Slater. Yeah, yeah. I would love to. I mean, honestly, I want to play this game as long as I can. I really love, I love this game.

And I grew up in it, as you know, you know what I mean? I grew up around Tony Jones and my dad and Jonathan Nogden. You know, so many of these great players that Ray Lewis, man, just to be able to have that perspective at eight years old when those men come over and they sit down and talk with my dad because he's the OG. on the team and be able to listen to those conversations and hear what they gave to the game. Man, it's so special. It's so special to me.

And so, man, I love what I do. You know what I'm saying? And I love what the game is done for me. Man, I hate to say it. You know, I love my life outside the ball, too. But, man, I'm going to give them all. I'm going to give him all. And hopefully we look back when I'm 40 years old.

We walk away and I got a gold jacket. Hey, I like it. I like it. Yes, sir. How good. Good to see you, baby. Orlando Brown Jr. Thanks for joining us, bro.

Of course, appreciate you all. Yep. That's dope. We got a very special guest joining us. My 1990. Legend. Draftmate. Legend.

Gator legend. Cowboy legend. Well, I love gifts. I love gifts. I love gifts, him. What's on the beard, baby? Hey, hey, 90, we got to do it. I mean, I still got a little black in mind, though.

I mean, you went all the way. I know you ain't got no. I'm looking at it. And you're a silver fox, huh? You're a silver fox? I am what I am. Yeah, I like you. But what we got here?

You know, I love free gifts. Let me introduce him. All time leading Russia, NFL history, a former MVP, Super Bowl MVP, first ballot hall of famer. Here he is. 1990 classmate. We go way back. We go, we go Mitchell.

SELs. SELs. Black college beach. This is my dog, Emmett, So as also said, what do we got here? Well, what you got in your hand right now is a tablo device that connects. It's an antenna that connects to your television network, and it streams live stuff throughout the entire house. Yeah.

As far as every room that has a TV and it can connect through it, you get over 125 channels. And not to mention, you can watch pause, record, live television stuff, news, local news, live, sports and popular shows. You can do all those kind of things, just as if you would, paying a subscription for something. Instead of paying all these different subscriptions, you can do a lot right there with on Tableau.

The people ain't going to come to my house, already, isn't it? No, you can set it up on your own. No, I'm just talking about it because we get all this stuff that we ain't paying for. What people are you talking about? Do people that say, hey, you ain't playing for people? Who are them people?

Do people that were you ain't paying for is? Ish? We ain't paying for nothing? They're going to come here? They gave that to you. Okay. These people gave it to you. I don't know who are.

I was saying Emma gave me this. So if y'all got some problem, y'all can take it away. Now, if you want to write, you know, you want to pay taxes on it, then that's on you, but that's a gift. That's under $1,000, under $10,000. So it should be good.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to use this. I'm definitely going to use this. You pay one subscription, right? No, you just pay one time. One time, you get all this stuff. Yeah, yeah. You don't have to pay the monthly stuff. You know, this is a McDonald's guy.

Yeah, I know. This is a guy that, you know, where fake stuff to win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to. I said used to. I did say used to. I did say used to.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. What's been good? What's going on? Not much, man. Everything's good. I can't complain. Still in Dallas.

Still in Dallas. Yep, still doing that. Kids still growing up. My son, E.J. is getting prepared for his pro day at A&M. That's dope. And so giving him, sending love his way and wanting to see if he can fulfill his dreams as well. So you know how that is? Yeah.

I got an important question, too. Go ahead. I got a very important question because we're dealing with someone here, the greatest star, the greatest player to wear their star on his helmet. So I've always had a dialogue with Cowboys fans. They've gotten on me. They've gotten on to be selfish. Because I'm thinking about George Pickens and how valuable he is

and what he was able to show in a small symbol size and how great he can be in the right situation. It's time for him to get paid. I would like to know your thoughts and me, my thoughts, before you go, is him going to a team where he can maximize his true value? What do you think?

King is getting paid. I would say George Pickens is at the right place. He is in the right place. He has a place where he can flourish. He has a place right alongside CD Land. Yes. Because I think you have to have a Batman and a Robin together. Urban had Harper.

Rice had John Taylor. Yes. And even when you go back to... Swan and Stallworth. And Swan and Stallworth. Yes, yes. So you have to have that kind of scenario. And I think what you saw was a glimpse of how good he can really become in a system

that supports that type of environment. Yes. And so my hope is that Jerry and George get this... contracts with stuff behind them, so we don't have to be dealing with all these questions during this time of season. The Dallas Cowboys deserve, and the fans deserve,

a very quiet, boring off-season. When does that ever happen? That's why they deserve one. That's why they deserve one. Yeah, I like it. I like it. And I love the examples of the duels that you just said. But when I think about George,

Pickens and C.D. Lamb, those are two number ones. So based on what George Piggins is done and what George Piggins that showed you, whatever contract, the one that he deserves, it has to overlap that of C.D. Lambs. Maybe, maybe not. First and foremost, we want to take a pay cut. First of all, we don't know if he is the number one. A number one, don't quit. A number one goes through and don't pout when he doesn't get the ball. Number one, understand that defenses could be doubling up on one. and you don't get not a throw.

A number one says, okay, I'm going to draw a double coverage. You better tell that one-on-one up by yourself. Yes, sir. A number one says, hey, how can we run the ball? I mean, we're trying to throw the ball against double coverage over here,

and I got guys all over me. Yes, sir. And I got to defend, and I'm playing the defense of back. You didn't hire me to play DB. So a number one was says, run the dagon ball when it's six in the box or seven in the box.

What did Michael tell you in cover two? What did he tell you? But Michael says, throw it to me, I'm going to go get it. And Michael went and got it. But Mike went and got it. Right.

And so. In cover two, you got to run them up out of it. But Mike ran and got it, though. Yeah. Mike was never afraid of going in there against two guys or three guys. Yeah. Mike, you tell you right now you throw that slant, my folks back in Miami going to eat. Yeah.

Because I'm going to catch that slant. I may get knocked out. Right. But I'm going to catch that slam. I'm going to ground like this. Ket. They're going to be moving a chain. And so that's the mentality.

that George need to develop. You said a key word. He has to get in that system that affords an opportunity to showcase his number one. Harper thought he was the number one until he went to Tampa. A system also

give you the ability to shine at your best, the right system. The wrong system will hold you back. This is the funny thing about it is George Pickens has a skill set. Me, no one receivers, is he has a skill set to go anywhere

and be able to show what he did this. I doubt that. I'm telling you because we saw him do it in Pittsburgh. And Spursing, and they didn't even have a quarterback, in? Bro. You put George's system in Oakland. You put George Pickings in Oakland? Put him in Oakland.

With Mendoza coming? No, no, no. Vegas. No. You put them in Vegas. Yeah. Right now. Right now.

Get in the ball. Put it in his hands. No. Put him in position to make the players. You got to have somebody that can get in the ball. You got to get him the ball. So all I'm saying is, the wet, When he flourishes that is when he got somebody that can get in the ball

and there's a concerted effort. Whether you double him or double CD, one of them are going to be one-on-one. And I better destroy somebody that's one-on-one. If I'm not destroying somebody one-on-one, that means the tight end is free too. He's one-on-one. And so I'm going to run them out of that, and they're going to have to go back to cover two. Yep. I'm going to get mine.

But see, nobody is the unselfish part about football. I knew if it was aiding the box. I'm like, dang, dang. I can't get a hundred But I tell you what That eighth man gonna get it Yes He gonna kill it

For a quarter He ain't gonna want to stick his head in there That's what has to happen And I knew going into certain games Whether it was against Philly When they, Buddy Ryan had that eight man That bare defense I'm like man

I'd be lucky to get 55 yards today But I knew that But I'm looking at Earth Better eat Better eat because when it's my time to eat I'm gonna eat Yes, sir. So that's the yin and the yang of the game.

Because the system and the defense also dictates what's happening. Because they can bracket you without even covering you. Yeah. And close down the throwing lanes and throwing gaps. And guess who you have to pull the trigger? The quarterback. And if he's not comfortable with those small windows, he ain't throwing it your way.

Yeah. And got nothing to do with the system. We had a conversation yesterday. Ocho and I was having a conversation. Hopefully that answer your question. It's a little selfish on your part a little bit. It's a little selfish on the Cowboys fans part as well because I'm looking at something else.

Chad, you're looking at the right thing? Chad, remember we had the conversation yesterday and I told CD, excuse me, I told Chase, and Chase was trying to tell me he, X, Y, Z. I say, well, a number one, I said you never let how much you get in the ball or the situation dictate how hard you play. No. You play hard regardless of circumstances, whether I catch 10 balls or I catch one, I'm going to play hard.

We've seen him drift. Forget about anything that may or may not have happened in Pittsburgh, late for this, late for that, or whatever the case may be. But we've seen it firsthand that when he's not getting the ball, it became a national story because the head coach said, I had a conversation with George, and we can't let what happened at Thanksgiving against the Lions. We can't let that happen again.

So that's all I've ever seen. Here's what I'm going to say. What brand you got? what brand do you have? What brand do you have? What kind of football player were you? What kind of football player were you? That's it, that's your brand.

What kind of football player am I? I don't have to talk about it. It goes in the room before I get there. And at the end of the day, yes, sir. George has to ask and say, what do I want to send on the football field before I get to? I want people to be in the locker room

or in their study room, and I want the offensive court, they come up, guys, we got to stop the run this week. This 22 back here that they got, we can't let him get going. Yes, sir. Because if we let him get going,

hey, they ain't going to kill us. Then Novichak going to get going. So we got to figure out of the way. How are we going to do this? I want them to have a damn nightmare thinking about how they're going to stop us. Because at the end of the day, you can't hold everything back.

And when you hold one back, I got, now I understand why. I get, thank you for the respect. Yes, sir. And all I'm saying, George has to develop that kind of It's not all about me. And that's the problem with a lot of kids today.

They think everything is about them. And so I had, what I learned from Jimmy one day, I'm a rookie. We have our two-minute drill on Thursday, you have two-minute drill. And Jimmy's in charge of spotting the ball. He's the rep. And so it's third and by four.

I get five yards, do my little hook up, catch the ball first down. I see first-down. Jim said, no first-down, no first-down. Move it back three yards. So I was like, no, I got the first down. No first down. He said, no first night.

Get in the huddle, get in the huddle. I said, but, Coach, I got the first down. Get in the huddle. So I go in the huddle. Then we're breaking the huddle coming out. He said, time out. Call timeout. Troy walking over to the sideline.

I go up until I said, coach, I got the first night. Get your butt in the huddle. Embarrassed me in front of all my teammates. I was mad. So I didn't talk to him. After practice, I walked by him, don't say nothing. I'm going to the meeting room back there. Walk past and don't say nothing.

Come back out of the meeting room, going toward the train room walk past, don't say nothing. Getting ready to leave the training room, walk past him. He said, oh, you're not going to speak? I said, coach, why you get on me like that? Why are you embarrassed me in front of my team? He said, E, I want you to know something. That wasn't for you.

That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players. Yeah. And if you're not one of the top players, then you don't stand in change. But I was mad because I had to call a timeout. I was mad at the OC for not getting the play in time enough. It didn't have nothing to do with you. But I understand. doing that. I said, wow.

What a lesson to learn. We thought and we think things are about us. George is not all about you. CD is not all about you. Tighten is not all about him. Dak, it's not all about you. The five guys up front that protect all of y'all in order for you

to get the ball. Yes. Make it about them. Because that's how you get the running game going. That's how you get the past game going. If Dak is on his back, he can't throw a damn past and out. No, not at all. Not at all. So it's just that simple to me. Hall of Famer, number 22 for the dollars, Cowboys. Emmett Smith.

I appreciate it. Hopefully that educated you. A little bit. Do we get to keep him? Oh, you get a keeper? Okay. Oh, boy, don't nobody give me nothing. I gave you something.

Appreciate. I'm just saying, I rarely get gifts, but I appreciate that. To me you rarely get gifts. Look, do you accept gifts? Hey, Emma gave me a gift, huh? What we talk about? Appreciate you, dog. But no, but that's the real ad.

Yeah, yeah. Hey, it's more to be talked about. There's more to be talked about. Okay, whatever. I mean, we're talking, we're talking, we're talking. What's the number one? Am I going to get, is he going to get his true value? True, value.

Who ever get their true value? Quarterbacks do. Yeah, if he's going to even deserve it. True. Yeah, I said it. I said it. Good for you, dog. I ain't lying neither.

And you know, shit. You try to tell me, you try to tell me something you're paid that kind of money, deserve it? Right. Hell, I need back me. Compared to some of these mother brothers. Good to see you, though. Oh, yeah, I get a photo with these roads. Y'all got my man Aaron coming in here.

What's up? Hey, God. Great seeing you, too. Hey, y'all take care of him now. Oh, y'all take care of him. Oh, yeah, yeah. What's up? What's up?

What's up? What are you? What are you good? Yes, sir. That's all. He played with the Green Bay Packers from 2017 to 2023. Now he's a Minnesota Vikings for 2024. Moving forward,

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Let's start with the elephant room. It's got to be painful. The guy that y'all had the quarterback last year is here. How different do you believe your season would have been, had that guy still been in your locker room? I feel like we, we, last year, we only lost to two teams, really. We lost two games. We lost the two games, two to the Rams and then two to the Lions.

Yeah. So I felt like we had everything we needed. But, you know, we're not, we're not GMs or nothing. That's outside of us. Yes. But definitely, you know, when you got a group of guys behind a quarterback, and he wants to stay somewhere, I think you try to make it work. Right.

When I look at you, look at your general manager. Quase Adolfo Mensa ended up losing his job. Obviously, you know, they said, well, he had this many draft picks and only two Pro Bowl players were selected. and Sam Donald ends up going to, on a very friendly contract. There's no question in my mind that the Minnesota could have matched that contract because it seemed like it was like 30-something million dollars in a couple of incentives. You win your division and you win a playoff game, you get to the Super Bowl.

Man, who wouldn't put those kind of incentive in there? I mean, I mean, I got to pay a million dollars if he gets to the Super Bowl. I would gladly play a million dollars to get a guy to get me to the Super Bowl. I pay him too. I'll pay. He got my check in this Super Bowl check. How do you feel? I mean, this year you got Nicked a little bit.

It's been a while. I mean, normally you're very durable. You catch the ball up. You'll do a threat. You can catch it. You can run it. But you've got Nick this year. How disappointed and frustrated was your season this year compared to years paying?

It was a little frustrating. I wouldn't say disappointing because I got to step up as a leader. Find different ways to make an impact. But it was because I feel like when I'm healthy and when I'm out there, can't be F with. At all. So it's a point. to just stand healthy and I never felt like after I got week week two I pulled my hamstring yes yeah really didn't get back healthy till I came back but really wasn't feeling myself to Detroit at first

time we played Detroit I came out on the first half at like 78 yards and then start the third quarter AC joint missed the rest of that and just battling so uh just get back to it uh really growing this off season take care of myself and uh had a best one yeah show show everybody I still got it and I'm still him and I'm the best running that. Outside of having to prove yourself, not even prove yourself, but prove all the doubt is wrong. In your team, you look at the landscape of your team, what do you think you guys need to do differently to be able to be in the conversation and be here? Well, you're not here talking with us, but you're here doing Radio Road Media in the Super Bowl next year. What do you

think needs to happen? I feel like you're coming down to execution and minimizing the mistakes. You got to play mistake-free football, or at least, you know, nothing's going to be perfect, but don't turn over the ball. Right. Anytime you don't turn over the ball, you get yourself a chance to win. But just all 11 playing with a mean streak across the board, like, because I felt like when we would lock in and that we would move the ball, but if not, if nobody was saying,

nothing, it wasn't happening. So just staying on top of everybody when we get in the huddle and being that, being an enforcer of confidence. It's like, hey, is there any place y'all rather be? Y'all dream to be in here right now. So, like, let's go do this. I don't care who's standing in front of you. Yeah.

And it was a, because that's how I think when I step on the field. Like, I came in with Arod, DeVante Adams, but in my head, I was the best player on the field. Maybe was I really? Maybe not. But you got to be that. I believe it. You got to have that mentality. 100%.

As you mentioned, Arod, he's contemplating retirement. He's about to be 42 years of age. What advice would you offer, Aaron? And you, like you said, you had some great years with Aaron, and you won some MVP. You was there when he won MVP when he was at his absolute apex. Yes. If you could offer some insight, you know, he said,

I want to decompress, I want to take some time away from this before I make my decision. It seemed like he was having fun. The most fun he's had is a very long time in Pittsburgh, as opposed to previous two seasons in New York. Anything you want to share? That's exactly what I was about to hit on. I think he got a lot of ball left. You see him out there.

He looked like he having fun. His celebrations, the love for the game is back in his heart, and you can see it. And he's a competitor. I think he comes back. I think he got a lot left. You see at the end of one of the games, he threw a hell, Mary, just flicked his wrist.

70. You can't just come out and coach that. If he comes back, would it be there or would it be in Minnesota? I like him in Minnesota. I mean, that's my dog. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just throwing that. And then just what he brings to a locker room. Yeah, yeah.

That leadership that it's a standard. Like, if you aren't in your playbook, oh, you ain't, you ain't seeing the field. Like, he's going to test you. He's going to throw some signals out there. And he's going to see if you really care about it. Right, right. And as a player, like, I love that because I'm in, I'm in my books. I'm making an effort.

Like, I came from Utah from nothing. Right. So I had to earn that And when you do it the right way And it's noticed, it's refreshing And most definitely, when I think about it too Just envision it hypothetically speaking You know, quarterbacks normally flourish

Especially like Aaron Rogers Who's now on the older side So you put him in a situation Where he doesn't have to elevate those around them But the team around him can elevate Elevate him And you know what team can do that? They got Gellon's going to be back

Hey They got Naylor It makes sense to me You're running the ball in the back field Jordan Mason still there. You've got a situation where you're going into your 10th season. Normally 10 years for a running back, that's kind of, that's normally that kind of it. But you're still playing at the elite level.

What would you attribute that you? Just stand on top of, even though I was banged up a little bit this year, just stand on top of my body as much as I can, trying to find different things and different ways to stay in front of it. I'm back in the facility. After I lead a facility, I'm back in a facility every day. For about two hours. I go home, two hours, hang out, grab my son.

He comes to the facility with me. He in the hot tub. He in the coach. He in the sauna. He's doing all of that. So just finding ways to stay ahead of the game. And then just really busting my butt in the offseason. Just kind of, I took it from Jerry Rice.

I was watching something. And he was saying he don't take much time off. Yeah. Like from running, like he keeps his body going. He's active. Yeah. So it never. All right, I'm old.

Now I've got to get this body back going. So I'm just kind of took that from him. And then I think it's a mentality than I want to. I want to play this game for as long as I can. So they tell me I can't. So it's funny because we had like Harrison Smith, C.J. Ham retired this year. And I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah, I don't, this is not going to be me.

I don't, like, I'm going to have to go through the list. Right, right. You can't play. Drew, this team don't want me. Okay, call the next thing. Okay. And that's how. I feel like this is going to end to me, but I like it.

I like it. You got a quarterback. You selected very high JJ McCarthy, but he's kind of been Nick, missed his entire rookie year and was in and out of the lineup this year. What do you think he needs to do in order to stay healthy on the field and then prove? Because right now he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnel. Sam Darnel was there, and you mentioned they won, y'all won four. Y'all was 14 and 3 the years of Sam Darnel was playing.

And now Sam goes to another team, and he's in the Super Bowl. So unfortunately for him, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnie. I think he just got to come in and continue to grow. Continue to believe in himself. And I always tell him, you're here for a reason. Yep. We need you. And you made it this far about what you got up here

and your God-given ability in the work that you put in. So don't let that change you. Don't let no outside noise change you or how you think of yourself. Because confidence is a big thing when you step on that field. Big confidence is everything. Just trying to steal that into him. But just getting back to the fundamental sitting down, taking deep breath. And I feel like trading camp would be huge for him, all those reps and stuff like that.

And I say with a young quarterback, it takes time. Yes. Look at Sam Dope. They was ready to write him off at one point. Yeah. Look at Jordan Love, he had time to come in and sit down and develop. Bryce Young this year, he had time to sit down. The good.

But not, he didn't even sit down. He played through that development, though, and they gave him that time. He got benched and came back and still look good. Yeah. So, I got you. It is, it takes time for quarterbacks. I think we were so used to those Cornerstone quarterbacks that we've had for a while, and I think it's changing over.

And it takes time for them. But people just look at Peyton, and they're like, look at Peyton, man, Peyton was terrible as rookie. Yeah. I was in the league. I was in the league. And Tom didn't even start his rookie year, so we don't know what Tom could or couldn't have been. And then for the first couple of years,

they were a run defensive football team before the time. Yeah, we see the finish probably the time, but Tom didn't start off like that. Because if he started off like that, he wouldn't have been a sixth round draft pick. He'd have been a first round draft pick. But that being said, you do. And you hear all the quarterbacks talk about it.

You hear Peyton, you hear Tom, you hear Drew, you hear some of these guys. They're like, they're not developing quarterbacks anymore because everybody wants this thing instantaneous. They're not willing to, they were not willing to let these guys grow. Bro, you ain't wanted us a playoff game yet? Bro, I'm a rookie. 100%.

Like, and it seemed like it all fall on them too. Yes. And it's not always them. There's things around them that got to be working too. We got to make their job easier, like you said. Because the thing is now, you see the cap went up to like between 301 and 305 million. So in the next five years, that means the cap's going to be down near $400 million. The money and keep coming in.

And with that being said, when you've got to play, within the next 10 years, you know there's going to be a quarterback making $100 million a year. Oh, 100%. He's going to be making $100 million a year. Just let us run backs get a little song. Just let us get a little song. And so the thing is that, hey, we're going to pay somebody $100 million a year.

I got to know for certain he can play. He's the one. He's got to be the one. $100 million. He got to be able to take us to the game. For sure. $100 million. That's a big investment.

Yeah. Aaron Jones, thanks for joining us, bro. I appreciate y'all love. Ledges. I'll see you in the minute. Sir, you already know. I got something for y'all too What you got?

What you got here? So I got my clothing brand. It's a lifestyle brand. Oh, yeah. I got you. Matter of fact, I'm having a Super Bowl showtime bowl tomorrow. Okay.

1015, Folsom, it's a day party. 430 to 430 to 830. It's a pop-up time Super Bowl party. We got G Herbo pulling up. Okay. A little quick set and open bar hors d'oebs and I'll sign that for y'all. I like that.

Please. Please. Yeah, but I didn't got two gifts today. So I gotta come take care of the family. Appreciate you, bro. Thank you, boss. Appreciate y'all. Yeah, chat.

I know y'all jealous. I got a ball sign. Babe, I'm gonna have some stuff for you. We got, I'm a large. I'm a large. Appreciate you, bro. I don't know if my sister has, she got a, like, a leather. Chelsea, show him the jacket.

You got the jacket on? Jacket. Okay. That's my size, too. Duffles. That's a large? Yeah, let me see that, let me see that. Had me that.

A little bit of everything. I like you. Thank you. Oh, yeah. Hey, uh-huh? Yeah. Oh, yeah. How are you going to take the girl the jacket off the lady back, man?

Damn. What side is here, boy? That's a large. Yeah, this is me here. Yeah. Appreciate that. Hey, Chad, how I look, Chad? Hey, yeah.

Huh? That's not mine. This is me. Just me. It's me. Oh. Oh. I like this, boy.

I got you. All right, bet. You're here all the weekend? Nice. And you're at the crib anyway? You're not here. I'm leaving tomorrow. All right, we got the next guest coming in.

He's the head. All right, bet. We're talking. He's got, he got it. Head of threads. Right, let's get in here. Yes. What up, twin?

How are you? You good? How are you? Carter is a huge, huge Pats fan. That's true. And you're a huge bad bunny fan. So damn, you got the double the sweepstake. It's all coming up.

Connor. What everyone's been saying, actually. Are you surprised at the beginning of the year, a new head coach, your quarterback is only in the second year. Are you surprised that you guys were this good this soon? I was expecting them to make the playoffs this year, but not make the Super Bowl. I actually think when they played the Saints, it was like week four or five. There was a couple of plays in that game, like touch pass to booty down the left side of

the field where I was like, what's happening here? Is this a real thing? and that's when I started getting my Drake May MVP futures in place. But definitely didn't think this was the Super Bowl team. I didn't think you guys who are a playoff team. Considering you did lose to Las Vegas Raiders the first game of the season. We don't talk about that. Can we cut that?

Not only did they lose to the Raiders at the beginning of the season. I'm thinking about the Patriots and how they looked the previous season, going four and 13, you know, having a rookie quarterback. And going into a second year, they're growing pains when you lose for 12. And a new head coach. Most teams in purgatory from that position for a very long time before you find the next answer. And Drake May now seems to be that answer very, very early for the Patriots.

And I was shocked. I'm excited for them, you know, that they're in this position. So I'd assume if you're a gambler, man, you are going for the Patriots to win this game. I think they're going to win the game. You don't sound too confident, Con. No, well, I mean, the whole world, everyone on Threads is saying that the Seahawks are going to win the game. Right. It's very curious to me that the Seahawks were not favored against the Niners in Week 18,

when the Niners were missing half their team. And all of a sudden they win two games and they're the greatest team of all time. I don't know. So the Patriots, I think they're, what, since that week one loss against the Raiders, they're 17 and 2. That's pretty impressive. That's very crazy. That's very impressive.

Those schedule mongers out there, I don't know, they might be sad on Sunday night. Summarize the chat on NFL threads. What's the vibe in the community? What's some of the hot takes? It's been getting a lot bigger. So if you think about like a year ago, I mean, I wasn't sitting here with you guys talking about the NFL, which is awesome.

This has been really, really cool. Hopefully you guys have enjoyed being here in the Red Zone. Absolutely. But yeah, I mean, the conversation's been growing. We've been getting a lot more voices into the app that are really important in the sport. Like Shannon, you've been really active on there. Kay Adams, Chad.

All the sort of top voices in the sport, that's phase one, right? You get the people that are authoritative and folks want to hear from, and then the fans just kind of take that and go with it, and that's what we're starting to see. So let's get you out of here on this one. Why is threads, why is it so popular for you guys to lean into the NFL? It's the biggest sport in the U.S. I mean, we want to be an app that represents culture

and what people are talking about and what's going on in the world. The U.S. is the biggest exporter of culture that's ever, existed. So if you go to the biggest sport in the U.S. and you try to be important for that, I think it creates a meaningful path for you to be a leading app in the space. So that's why we care about it. It's been really good. It's great to be here at the Super Bowl, and I really appreciate you guys being here as well. Appreciate you, Connor. Thank you, Connor Hayes, head of three. Thank you, Connor. Ocho talking to his dog. Yeah. Appreciate you, man. Chat, chat. Say what's up? Hey, French, Frye. Hey, French, Frye. Hey, French, Fright. Hey, chat. You see,

French fry? Daddy, Daddy. Daddy's working, baby. Okay. I'm going to call you since Daddy finished working, okay? Okay, I'll send you some money. If you could be gifted to any event in the world, which one would it be? If I could be gifted a ticket to any event in the world, Wimbledon. Wimbledon?

Yep. The World Cup final. The World Cup final. If I could be gifted to ticket to get any event in the world would be the World Cup final. Nothing better than that. The Wimbledon is awesome. But the World Cup final. No, I want to go.

I want to go. I've been to Super Bowl. I've been to NBA finals. I've been to World Series. But you haven't been to the World Cup final. I haven't been to the World Cup final. I'm not saying that's really high on my priority list. Wimbledon.

Wimbledon. If you had the opportunity to experience, let's say just a game in general. We go into a game. I want to go to Wimbledon. I want to be on center court. I mean, I've seen Serena play. Yes. I mean, it would have been great to be at center court

and see Roger Federal or Nadal or Jokevich, unfortunately there. But I'll take Alcaraz and center. If I can see those guys play in the center court of Wimbledon. But that would be it. That would be it for me. Ocho says the World Cup final. Yeah, absolutely.

I want the ticket to, I want ticket to Wimbledon, Center Court. I think, Chad, I can get his answer to change if I can get him into a game. If I can get him into a game to see the atmosphere and experience the atmosphere of just a regular game. Just a regular game. I guarantee you his answer on wanting a Wimbledon ticket final changes. Nah, because, you know, I'm going to be able to see, I'm going to see Federer. I'll see Nadal. I'll see some of the past greats. Samper's. I mean, you can see some of the past greats

in soccer as well. They're not going to be there like that. I can make sure you meet them. No. No. You're not changing my mind. I can change your mind. You got to get you in the atmosphere first. There's another three that's a. Ocho, with all the B parties, parties have you broken down, you need expensive food yet?

All I know is I had the hardest party in town last night. You know what? VIP parties, I'm really not a VIP person. If you understand how I conduct myself, flying spirit, I don't do any of the VIP stuff. I don't live that lifestyle. I really never have. So I've had McDonald's.

I went to Nations yesterday. I had their sliders. The sliders that Nations was awesome. Today, I'm going to venture out in the city again and see what else they have. I'm going to see if I can find soul food over in the Bay Area. And that's pretty much it. What's up, bro?

Area, tight-in-in-in. 25 first team all for, 126 catches which is NFL record for a tight end. Legend. 1239 receiving yards. 11 touchdown. He just broke the record, single season record for a tight end. Trey McBride.

Trey, how you doing, bro? Yeah, man, doing good, man. Appreciate y'all, man. This will be dope. Listen. Let's go and get you by Mad. You're here for the Madden, right? Yes, sir.

So talk to us about it. Just, you know, obviously great game. Madden, you know, obviously love playing, man. And what do I got to do to get one more point, man? I'm a 98, man. You're probably going to be a nine. I'm going to sit together. with my team we're going to discuss because obviously

you should be a 99 which you were able to do this season so tremendous. Yeah, we're going to have to sit down and talk about that. I got you. I got you. I got you. I want a gold, you want them gold shoes in that chain. I need that chain. That kind of conversation isn't even deep. It's more so common sense. Yeah. Common sense. I got you. The number's talking, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

You had an unbelievable season. Obviously, you had an individual great season. Not the team success that you had hope for. Your head coach got relieved of his duty. What do you think you guys need to do? You hired Mike LaFleur, who's an offensive coordinator at the Rams. What do you think you guys, what do you guys need to do in order for you to make a playoff run to get into the playoffs and see some of this individual success that you're enjoying? Let people see you on the big stage in a playoff game. I think, you know, we're right there, man. We're close. We're in every single game. We're in the fourth quarter. We're, you know,

one play here, one play there. And I think that's what we need, man. We just need that one play to get us over the edge, man. We're right there. We just got to finish games. And last year we just weren't finishing games good enough. And I think we're going to just finish games this year, and we're going to be right there in that conversation. How's the body holding up? After having a season like that, having that amount of catches, going through that kind of punishment, how is the body holding up so far?

Yeah, I feel great, man. I feel really good, man. I wish I was still playing. You know, I feel good enough to keep playing. So I just got to keep going. I'm young, man, just feeling great. So just got to build on it next year. Are you the best tight end in the football?

You know, I'm a great tight end, man, but these are Travis skills? No, no, no, no answer PC. Yes. are the greatest tied in in football right now. It's okay. It's hard because, you know, Travis, George, he's got to have been doing it for a long time, man, they've got a body of work, a log body of work,

and I just got a stack a few more years, and I think we could put myself in that conversation. The first three years of your NFL career, you had six touchdown. Yeah. This year, you break out, you have 11. What was different? What clicked this year as, I mean, obviously your third year,

you had an unbelievable season, but what was it for you that totally, that you were totally in sync? And it seems to me, that once a Jacobi Brissette got a day, he's like, hey, get open tree. Yeah. I think that's exactly what it was, man. Jacobi was just like, if it's one-on-one, man, the ball's coming to you.

I just expect the ball to come to you. And even if it's two-on-one, man, the ball's coming to you. So Jacobi just had a lot of faith in me. He had a lot of trust in me. And I think that's what it was, man. He just believed in me. And the opportunities kept coming and I was making place for him. Have you had an opportunity to study the Rams offense?

Because that's the offense that you guys are going to be running. Now, normally, that offense is, predicated on the outside guys. You see Cooper Cup, you see Puka Nakua, you see Devonte Adams. It's really not tight-in centric, but and I like your guy. Wilson, is that the name?

Mike Wilson? He's a dog, man. I was trying to tell Ocho. But, you're their best receipt. And so now you're going to have the gear an offense that's really suited to make sure you get your catch and make sure you get your target. Yeah, I think of the other thing about it,

man, not only did they have the receipt, They led the league in 13 personnel, man, so they love the tight end. They're going to put the tight end out on the field, and they're going to throw to the tight end too. So I think that's a huge part of us. But we do have two great receivers with Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson, man. We got a lot of weapons on that offense. And I'm just excited to see how Michael Ford is going to get all the ball, man.

It's going to be a lot of fun. When you got into the league, what was your expectations? What did you hope to accomplish? Because you've had such success. He's gone a couple of pro bowls, and here you are. You set the NFL record, most receiving yards in a single season by a tight end, and 26, 126, almost led the league in reception. In reception, you finished three behind a puka, 12, 39, and 11 touchdowns.

What were your hopes when you got into the league, what did you say, you know what, my first quarter, my first four years in the NFL? What were you hoping to accomplish? You know, I knew I was a great player. I just wanted to be the best player that I could be. I didn't know to this extent that I was going to be as good as I did, man. You get the opportunity, you get a little bit of success, man. And it's like I'm just hungry for it, man.

I just got to do what I did last year, beat it again. And now it's just consistency, being able to do it over and over and over again. And I think that's what really makes a great tie-in is doing it over and over again. I definitely agree with that because the thing is that it's easy to sneak up on someone when really people don't know who you are. But you know when defensive coordinators go into that room on Monday, they got that number circle. This is the guy that we got to neutralize.

If we want to have any hopes of winning this ball game, we've got to keep this guy under control. and for you to go out there game in and game out, and show the level of consistency in which you've done, that speaks volumes as a type of player that you are. Yeah, and like it, it's a lot. I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith.

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It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Mike May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did he both of Nick's at? He ain't too far behind. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon.

Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast? harder to get open now you know it used to be easy and no one knew who the hell I was getting wide open and now it's um getting chipped at the line I'm getting double team here and there and uh I think it just

it means more when I catch a ball now because it's like I had to really work for it man it wasn't just schemed up it wasn't I really had to get open and work for it you had to beat two guys instead of one and uh just means a little bit more so now it's no secret man now I got to do it again when everyone knows who I am when it's all said done how do you want your career how do you want How do you want to be remembered? How does Trey McBride want to be remembered when it's all said and done? Just as a consistent, you know, elite player, man, a guy who kind of did everything the right way, you know, played for his teammates.

And most importantly, man, did it the right way. I think that's the most thing is you don't want to, you know, cheat the game, man. You just want to keep building it and then just do it the right way. And I think that's what I'm trying to build. You know, the thing is in your quarterback, Conno, you've been there, he's been there your entire time, and there's a stretch that he might be leaving, he might be traded. and now some of that's been taken back that there's a chance that he might stay there.

Are you okay with that? Or you think you guys, Kyle's kind of got knit, but you had great seasons under Colorado. I mean, it just skyrocketed. It just skyrocketed with Jacobi. Yeah, man, I love Kyler, man. He's a tremendous player, a guy who can make all the off-scheduled plays, man, he can do it all.

So I love everything about him, and I'd love to have him back as a quarterback because obviously we've got a great chemistry. I know exactly what he's thinking. but, you know, whoever's back there slinging it, man, I'm going to get open for them, and we're going to make it happen, baby. So we can pencil you in, 1 30 next year? Yeah, 1.30 and just add, you know, add one or two to all those. Because, you know, okay, you already got the record,

so you might as well try to get, I think Kelsey, Kelsey got over 1,400. So you've got to get that one. And I think Bronx has like 17, 16, 17. Yeah, so I got some work to do, no doubt. All you got to do is start off early. You start off early those first five weeks and just cruise the rest of the season. But the test of the TV, you're beautiful. You get 1.30 plus 1,500 yards and 16 touchdown.

You might be the first tight end to win an MVP. Oh, yeah. With those kind of numbers, man. Congratulations, Grace Lee. Thank you. Thank you. All-Pro, first team, all-pro tight-in. Trey McBride from the Arizona Cardiff.

Thank you, we going to be straight-street-year. Oh, man. I like that, Jack. Can you believe, Ocho, 126 catches? That's crazy. As a tight-in. No, we're not talking about a receiver. You know, a volume catching tight in.

That's dope. That's a testament to how good he is, though. Boy, that's damn there, 40 more catches than I've ever had in the season. That's 39 more catches than that. I have a question, though. What is the difference when Kyle Emery's a quarterback as opposed to when Jacoby Preset came in, and all of a sudden his numbers, it skyrocketed

and being able to show what he can potentially do? What's your guy? Who wins the matchup? Jackson, Smith, and Jigba, or Christian Gonzalez? I don't think they put Christian in a situation where he's covering him especially in the slot. No. In the slot, hell not.

Yeah. And I think Christian, does Christian even travel? I don't think so. And another thing, too, Chad, when it comes to that matchup, I love where we're getting caught up in the names and how good Christian Gonzalez is. But we also understand what Kubiak does with Jackson's big thing, jibba. He's not going to put him out there on the island anyway. No. They use him in a multitude of ways, put him in motion, condenser splits.

Hell, he's coming out the back field, as we just saw two weeks ago, when he scored a touchdown. on a scissors route. So there'll be so many ways they're moving around where he's not stuck, you know, and having to deal with him one-on-one. So, yeah, I don't see a situation where he's going to be in one-on-one with Jackson Smith and Jakeba.

I mean, even wherever they find it, they're going to obviously have eyes on him, both eyes on him. My man. Hey, let me come all the way around. We got Stephen A. Smith coming to the set today. How you doing, my man?

What's going on? Man, I'm doing great. I'm doing, how you mean? You know, I'm kind of recovering because somebody had me in a party last night. You know what I'm saying? And so, I mean, yeah, I know you do. You always do that. I do that.

People say, well, how do the host leave? I said, easy. I just walked up out of it. I mean, that thing did close. Hey, I had to get up out of it. I got to have an early day and I got a long day tonight. But how you doing, bro? I'm doing all right, man.

It's good to see y'all, man. Proud of y'all is always doing your thing. I watch y'all when I can, especially nightcap, you know, doing y'all's things. I said, my boy just making noise and stuff. Winning, you know, winning top 10 across the boy handling his business. Yes, sir. And I've been in it as long as he had in the podcast world and all that. I have my feelings, sir.

I feel like, I'm kicking my ass. You know, but I'm like this. No, no, he's been a pioneer. Yeah. I'm following him. So I'm good with it. I'm good with it. So what's you've been like, go ahead, though.

No, I'm going to say, I want to talk a little basketball. Go ahead. I know he knows. He has a knowledge. He's in the game. understand the game, and hear some of the things that we can hear

in the background. Janus and Jah. Yeah. Is there a move for those two before today's, before the 4 o'clock dead? It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely.

It's still possible, but highly unlikely. Janus has four calf injuries since over the last 19 months. Now, I'm a Knicks fan. Yes. So, long-suffering, die-hard Knicks fan. And I'm sitting up the year,

you saw you, oh, I still remember how you always tease me about that. Oh, my goodness, it'll get me started with. But the thing about it is this. I'm like, go get him. Go get Janice. Go get Janice.

And then the calf injuries came. I was like, wait a minute now. I mean, wait a minute now. Because here's the reason why. Is he really hurt, Stephen A? I'm going to tell you why you get nervous. I'm going to tell you why you get nervous. KD., calf injury, before the torn Achilles.

You see what happened last year, Halliburton, Tatum, Damien Lillard. You get nervous. And so the worst thing that could happen to the New York Knicks, you're going to have to trade at least two players in a couple of picks. And if you do that and then Janus can't go. Oh, what a disaster. I can't have that. And he's going to want a Mack extension this summer too.

That's right. And so I worry about that. In the case of John Morant, here's my problem. First of all, all of these cats that want to get on him for his troubles from years ago, stop that. Right. Just stop that. You know, he was young, made a mistake. Let it go.

Right. Damn, let it go. But here's what you can hold against him. I see no change in this game. I see no change in his game. No, no evolving. No, no evolving. You shoot 23% for a three-point range.

Do you know that that's the second worst three-point shooter? in the NBA right now? John Moran. I'm just saying... At the second level and when it's time to drive to the... That's where he makes his hate.

But what I'm saying to you is the way the game is now, you gotta be able to be a perimeter threat. So he can give you 18 to 20 a night with ease. The problem is to get you to the next level. You got to be able to hit

from a way to fast. Especially with him being as slim as he is. Yes. You got to be able to... Be a guard. You can't shoot 23% as a guard. Can't shoot 23% For a three-point range.

You can't do that. And so when I'm looking at him, maybe it's because of the distractions, maybe it's because of the money you got comfortable. But I'm not seeing any evolving in your game. Okay. And that's what I'm worried about. Not that he can't play.

I know where he can evolve. I know where he can evolve. Coming on down at a structured environment where discipline is concerned in Miami. I don't mind that. I told you. But wait a minute. But at the expense of whom?

Because I ain't letting go to tile a hero for him. What? Let me tell you why. Tyler Hero can shoot. He can spread the floor. If John can't shoot, then how that's going to help Bam? How that's going to help Calelle Ware? How that's going to help these other cats?

You need to have somebody that can shoot from the outside to keep you honest. So when you come out there to defend them, it gives your big some space. You can't have a cat that's got to go to the hole. Listen, remember when Ben Simmons was playing? Yeah. This is an all-time play. I'll never get as long as I live. Carmelo Anthony is guarding Ben Simmons.

And then it's like a light bulb flashing. He said, what the hell am I doing? And turned his back to Ben Simmons and sprinted to the paint. He said, what am I guarding him out there for? He'll never shoot that. You see what I'm saying? You got to make somebody respect you enough to guard you away from the basket.

This game. Everybody, I mean, only one player and Jane Daniel It was Jaden Daniels and the Florida and Connor from threads. Yep. Well, the only two people that we've had come across this desk and pick the Patriots to win this game. Yeah, it ain't going to be me. Ain't going to be me.

I ain't picking no damn Patriots. I made that right now. Hey, yeah, yeah, I hope that's not what you were leading to. Well, I'm going to pick up. It's true. So right now it's 10 to 2, everybody else that's coming up here to talk to O's you and I. It's 10 to 2 Seattle to win over the paper.

Then I'm 11? Yes. Yeah, I'm 11. Yeah, I'm 11. What is it about? What is it about the Seahawks that you love? They're the most complete team. New England went against the charges.

Damn good defense. They went against Houston, elite defense. They went against the Denver Broncos, 68 sacks, four shy of the all-time record. I know you know about your Broncos. None of them were considered number one. It was Seattle. That's the defense you got to go against.

Then I'm looking at a Patriots offense that's only giving you 18 points per game in the postseason. Now, I understand the Blizzard in Denver in the second half. Right? But how you explain the first? four and out, the first four possessions, you had three in the first half. How do you explain the fact that you were struggling really to score against Houston?

How do you explain the fact that you were struggling to score against the charges? But I'm supposed to believe you're going to score against Seattle? And then when I think about in Jigba, I'm like, who did? He ain't stronger, bigger, faster than nobody, but you can't stop him. He was doing. He was wreaking havoc at Ohio State. Now look what he's doing in Seattle. That's why you let go of T.K. McHaff is your number one option because you could afford.

And this brother been playing lights out. Sam Donald suddenly looked like an all-world quarterback. You know, Kenneth Walker, everybody talking about Sharper they being out. But let me tell you something about Kenneth Walker. He did rush for over 1,000 yards. He did average 4.6 yards to carry. I'm like, how are we sleeping on him? We can't sleep on these brothers.

I just think they're the most complete team. And I think the only shot New England has of winning this Super Bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less. Because I don't see them scoring more than 20. No. Yeah. They're going to have, they're going to have a coach some turnovers. That's right.

Now, Sam Darling's been great in the postseason. He's taking care of the football. Yeah. As long as he doesn't revert back to what we think and what we've seen him be, Stephen A, I think they'll be fine. But you know, go back and look at every team in the playoffs. Whoever's turned the ball over the most, they went home. Okay. That's true.

That's all, by the way, Drake May, six times, three lost fumbles, yes. Sat five times each game. Oh, so y'all. even protected them. And by the way, you see how Seattle get to the ball? You see how they're saying? So you can run with the football, and he's shown that he could do that,

particularly on first and second down. They use them on first and second down. So I get that part, but I'm like this, that ain't going to work against Seattle. I can't see that happening. The only way is if Drake all of a sudden, with booty and digs, is flinging that damn football, and all of a sudden we watching these cats throw the damn football.

If I see that, that will change my mind. I can't see it happen. But the secondary for Seattle is so good. Too good. You got Spoon and Wolin. Exactly. Too good. Emuari.

They're really good. Defensive line with D.L. With Lowe and Leonard Williams and those guys, they're really good. Ernest Jones the 4th. He's been a steel. He's been exceptional. And then people are pointed to L.A. You scored 38 against them in the regular season

and the overtime loss when they lost 38, 37. They gave up 27 to L.A. You know, in the playoffs. And I'm going like this. That was Pooka and the coupé. out there, catching that day of ball. And Devante. You ain't got that on New England?

No. I respect the hell out of booty and digs, but you ain't that dude. No. Did I not? You're not that dude. That's where I'm at with that. And I like Drake May, but for me, and I don't have a vote, but if I had a vote, I'll vote for Matthew Stafford for MVP.

Easy. The only problem I like, see, here's the problem I have with Shannon Sharp, you know, let's say Ocho. He had this problem all the damn time. It's okay to say. Stephen, are you right? I agree with you. See, he's trying to say,

he was listening to me. He was listening to me say that. You know what I'm saying? He was listening to me say, staff in the damn MVP. Yeah, yeah. But he'll say it, he'll just say it without saying. No, but you know,

but you know there have been some that says Drake made. Yeah, no. I don't, listen, the Drake made problem in all seriousness. New England had the weakest schedule since 1999. The weakest schedule in the NFL since 1999. That's what the stats show. Then you got the charges.

You depleted at your offensive line with two pro bowlers out. It's Slater and all. You go against Houston. Nico Collins is out. Shokes goes down in the second quarter. You go up against Denver. You got Jared Stidham, a backup quarterback who had it. Now is he a backup quarterback.

He ain't thrown past this 2023. Okay? And on top of the... It looks like it. And on top of the old, a blizzard cane. I mean, come on. You get a lot of luck. A lot of luck.

You know, but you know, sometimes, Stephen, they have to go your way. That's fair. They have to go your way. That's fair. But usually that's not what goes down in the Super Bowl. No. Usually in the Super Bowl, it's about your skill and your will.

In a game like the Super Bowl, you're going to get two momentum swing. Only two. It's going to happen. Whoever gets the momentum first, how much separation can you put between you and the team that doesn't have the momentum? And see, it's interesting. I love that question. Because I think that if New England, you've got to have a 10-point cushion.

I don't think that's enough. That's it. And I'm saying, and I don't think you, I don't think you're going to get the cushion. That's my point. I don't think you're getting the cushion. Because we've seen Seattle come back from playing the Rams. The Rams had what?

18. Yeah, but the Rams' defense was in New England. That's the only thing. New England could get stops. Rams couldn't get no stops. That's the problem. But the question is, New England's offense ain't the Rams' offense.

That's right. That's what I don't have them win. That's why I don't have them win. That's the problem. They can run the ball. I like Henderson. I like Stevenson. They can run the football.

But, ooh. Everybody said, I picked the score, final score of 31. And everybody was looking at me and they said, well, you bring it up the defense, why you got them scoring 31 points? And I said because I think they're going to get too many bites at the apple because New England's offense isn't going to be able to do but so much. So if you have to do it,

defense out on the field enough, eventually they're going to get, they're going to wear out. Don't break. Yeah. They're going to break. I think it might be a lower score than that. I might go 24 to 16.

Think so? I got 31.20. I got 31. I can see 30 points simply because the high volume of scoring that Seattle continues to do, regardless of who they're playing. By the way, did your boy tell you he hooked me up with his boy for his glasses? And I went out, I went and got the glasses. I bought a bunch of them.

Oh, you got a bunch of them? Oh, no, no, no, he got me with the cat. The Cardiade. He got me in the cat. I saw him on nightcap. And I was like this, I need a few of those. I need a few of those. So I went and got him.

I won't have it got him. You stand for the, no, you leave a Sunday morning. I'm not even on you. Probably sad. You have a good time? Man, shoot, thanks to you. That party last night was no joke, my brother. I mean, I, I mean, I.

So when I cut out of Miami, I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear nothing. I don't get any of party. I ain't throwing no party. Oh, that's right, I forgot you down there. Hey, we got to go to dinner. I got it. I'm going to tell you where we go.

Okay, that's cool. We're good. I'll take you up on it then. Okay. I'll take you up on it then. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. You know, I got you, right?

Such a line. He's lying ass off. I mean, this catman, I mean, Shannon, I can't find Shannon had the damn time I'm in Vegas. You good, you good. What do you mean? I'm good. I'm good. I would call you for hours.

Where you at? I can't catch him. You know? I'll be in bed, Steve. That'd be sweet. I ain't mad at you, but I'm telling you this. Listen, I love living in Florida. He just loves it.

You don't, hold on, you don't smoke cigars, huh? No, not really, but I smoked a few. Okay. I mean, I mean, one time last time it's been years, actually. Last time I smoked a cigar, I was in a cigar ball with Michael Straying. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, I smoke the few.

I mean, because it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. Well, I'm coming out there, me, we go, go to get by the E-Fee. Go to dinner. I just want to go get. I just want to. Yeah.

Yeah. want to go get a bite to eat, that's it. We ain't going to go nowhere else? I want to go get a bite to eat. No, no, no, no. We ain't going to go, hold on. We ain't going to go nowhere else? No.

You might want to think that. You might want to think that. I mean, there's a couple of spots that I can. I don't want to go. Yeah. I'll tell you what I do. I tell you what I do. I'll take you to a spot to eat, but it ain't just about eating.

You know what I'm saying? It's all in one. It's all in one. I'll take you to the spot. Why can't I get friends that support me? Why can I get friends that? We are supporting me. We're looking out for you.

I mean, we're looking out for you. We really are. We really are. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we really are. We got you covered. You understand what I'm saying? Why do I need any other type of friends?

What I'm trying to, because. It's okay to live. You're not living. You're alive, but you're not living. I continue to, I can't continue to tell you that. You're going home. You're working and going home. You're working from home half the time and stuff like that.

You know, I bet there's days that go, that you don't leave a house. I'm willing to bet that. If I don't go work out, yes. See? Yes. I, work out.

You mean go work out? You mean you don't have a gym in your house? I do. I got two. You're in the house. I got two gyms in my house. All right there. So why do you got to go to work out?

But I, but, you know, I like, I like, if, you like to mingle. No. If I don't leave my house to go work out, I would literally be in my house two, three weeks that have happened.

I can, I can never do that. Now, I've, I've improved. I can stay in the house for a couple of days, two or three days without more. Especially the crib I got now. When COVID happened, whatever it's nice. Like when COVID happened,

I ain't missed a me. I was like, I couldn't, you ain't got to go nowhere? Perfect. Wow. I got to leave the house. I got to go. I got to go out.

You got to eat. You got to walk around. You got to feel the fresh air outside. You got to do that. I don't give a damn if it's me getting in my car to drive to the damn store or something. Just to get out and feel a bridge. Yeah.

Get to your car and drive to the store in Miami. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. That's my story, I'm sticking to it. I'm telling you that right now. I mean, that's what it is.

That's what it is. It is lovely, man. You know, when we say Miami, let's be very clear. We're not really talking about Miami. We talk about all the surrounding parts. Yes. Oh, yes. All the stuff around within the 30 to 45 minute radius, all around it.

You understand? All around it. Beautiful, Landerdale, the Coral Gables. That's all us. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, This guy here, man. It's just a, it's just a question thing. You got to come on down.

I'm coming down, man, but I told you what I wanted. And my career, very private. Privile. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You ain't got to worry about being found. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. You ain't got to worry about nothing.

You go to the noise. It ain't at your doorstep. That's the key. That's the key. Don't go to the, you don't have the noise at your doorstep. Go to it. I like that. That way you can stay away from it.

When it's time. That's what you got to do. Okay. I'm trying to tell you. Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, man. Appreciate you. Congratulations on everything, man. I appreciate you all, man.

You know what. The serious show, the Stephen A. Smith show, the big deal at ESPN. You got, hey, bro, appreciate it. Hey, appreciate you. And I want to tell you. Yes, sir. I appreciate the support. Because when a lot of people ran away, you ran to them.

No, hell no. And I appreciate that. And I hope you keep them away. No, they do. And it was no excuse for people to be that one. Yeah. I saw you. You know I saw you and I talk all the time.

You know what I'm saying? I got nothing but love for y'all. Both of y'all. Proud of both of y'all keep doing what you think. But all these people, listen, man, when you up here. They were with you. You know, exactly. And then something happened and what you do.

You just sat up there and you forgot that that was supposed to be your boy. Yes, sir. They was never your boys. You're right. They were never your boys. Some to kick rocks. Yep. With no shoe on.

Damn right. Appreciate it, bro. Have the best. All right. Juvie. Appreciate it. All right, guys. Thank you for joining us for another.

Call me. Thank you for joining for another episode of Nightcap Radio Row. It's been a great two days. Thank you for guys for tuning in. We really, really appreciate it. We want to thank all the guests that stopped by and gave us a little bit of their time. We really, really appreciate that. But y'all know who I am.

I'm your favorite uncle. This is my partner and co-host. And we're signing off. We'll see you tonight at Nightcap Live. Thank you guys again. Peace. I love you. If you need me, call me.

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