Nightcap - Nightcap - Mahomes' GOAT case, Is Brock Purdy Elite, Nicki vs. Megan Thee Stallion

Episode Date: January 30, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson discuss if Patrick Mahomes is putting together a convincing argument to be considered the greatest QB of all time over Tom Brady, if Lamar Jackson will ever win a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens, Dan Campbell doubles down on his decisions to go for it, can the San Francisco 49ers carry Brock Purdy to a Super Bowl victory, and much more! 00:00 - Introduction04:00 - Beyonce vs. Taylor Swift Part 219:00 - Patrick Mahomes' GOAT Case41:00 - Why Lamar Jackson can win a Super Bowl in Baltimore54:00 - Is Brock Purdy Elite?01:11:00 - Nicki Minaj vs. Megan Thee Stallion01:30;00 - Plane Farts go too far01:45:00 - Much More Nightcap! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Excuse me. You got a lot of opportunities to have something to celebrate birthdays. And hey, you got life. Let's just celebrate life. Go ahead. What you want to say? You hit it right down the nose. You hit it right down the nose. Listen, I don't drink. I've never partake in consuming any type of alcohol. But I will drink Le Fortier when we hit a million subscribers.

I need all of you, all of you that are watching. Tell your bosses, tell your uncles, tell your aunties. Get your kids, tell your kids' kids to tell their parents. They just subscribe. When we hit a million subscribers in Vegas, I will be drinking my first drop of alcohol. And I'm excited. I can't wait. I want to see what the fuss is about, why everybody like going to the club and drinking sociably.

I want to know club and drinking socially. I want to know what it's like because that 56, the fact that I've never had alcohol before, it's a crime. It's a crime. It's a crime. But it's right here. That thing will have you right, Ocho. So please make sure you go ahead and buy yourself a bottle or for you or someone that's special. As a matter of fact, go ahead and get you and someone special one. We're going to start out with some post-championship Sunday questions that I want to clarify and discuss. Ocho, you and I had a conversation last night. Yes, sir.

About Taylor Swift. Yeah. Taylor Swift, I think she's been how many games she's been to? Nine. They're nine and three, right? Right. Twelve games. She's been to twelve games. They're nine and three, right? Right. Twelve games. She's been to 12 games.

They're nine and three in which they play. And the network seems to go out of their way to make sure they show her. Obviously, anytime Travis Kelsey does something, the camera will pan. They score, camera will pan. Even if they're not doing anything, they're going to commercial. They don't pan. Yeah. And so you and I was having a discussion. I said, Ocho, I don't think anybody moved

the needle like Taylor Swift. You said, give me a second. I think you had to go to the bathroom. You came back. You said, I got one. I got one. I said, who you got? You said, I got Beyonce. And I said, Ocho, me, I don't think she moved the needle quite like Taylor.

I understand that she is a global icon. She is a global brand unto herself like Taylor Swift. But I think the people are missing the conversation that you and I are having. We're talking about what the NFL is trying to do. They're saying we already got Jay-Z and Beyonce fans watching. Now we need to get a different a different a different revenue stream i see where you're going i like that i see where you're going i like that i like saying those little those young and i'm not saying so people take everything in

this literal interpretation oh so are you saying there are no adults that like taylor swift are you saying there's no blacks no i, I'm not saying that. But and we're trying to find the statistic that I think it was NBC had put on their screen about the young girls, the demographic. I think it was like 13 to 18 and like 18 to 24

that all of a sudden started watching and going to the games. And they saw a big increase in that situation. Ash sent me a stat today. Let me saw a big increase in that situation. Ash sent me a stat today. Let me get it right quick, Ocho. That's a good one. That's a good one.

You know, it's funny. I'm going to let you finish your point, but I would like to counter that when you get done. So when I think about, you say we already have the Jay-Z and Beyonce's, the likes of them actually watching the game. Their face already watching. Yeah. I am one to also think, and I might be wrong, but hypothetically speaking,

if the roles were reversed and Beyonce was Taylor and Travis Kelsey was, just for the sake of saying it, with Jay-Z playing tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs. I don't wanna put another individual on that union they have that is special. Correct, I get what you're doing. Yeah, I think the camera would still pan. I think the little girls that look up to Beyonce that do sing and dance and adore her and what she's been able to do from a global aspect also here in America also what she would I think she would move the needle as well maybe not to the extent that that that you may see or to the extent that Taylor's doing but I think she's one of the few that also have the power to do this as well and there's one that I didn't mention last night because I also

didn't want to bring her up but I think Rihanna has the ability of moving the needle the same way as well. Because she sings and she's a brand as far as cosmetics within. Yeah, huge. Yeah, so she has one thing going because we know what she does as far as in the music industry.

And then she has a cosmetic brand that's probably bigger than her music. So she's a double, so she's what they call a double-edged sword. She's cutting left and right. Both sides, she's slicing it up. But Ash gave me a stat, she said the lead check

is highest regular season female viewership since it began tracking in 2000 and the best regular season among 18 to 34-year-olds since 2019. From last year's regular season, this year's female viewership rose by 9%. Now, I'm not saying that's all Taylor Swift. I would be

foolish and I would be naive, but I understand what the NFL is trying to do. There's a reason they put... You gotta leverage when it's hot. There's a reason for the... What have they done, Ocho? For the first time, what did they do? No joke. For the first time,

they put two playoff games on a streaming platform. Now, why would they do that? Because for the longest time they wouldn't, they said, ESPN, we can't let you have a NFL, a Superbowl for the simple fact you pay.

We want everybody to be able to see it. Just plug your TV in and you can watch it no matter where you are in the world no matter where you are what do they do this year Ocho put it on a streaming service and guess what people did signed up and watched it yeah you have no choice if I'm not mistaken

I think 50 million people I think they put Buffalo wasn't it Buffalo and Kansas City that was on the streaming that Sunday Sunday night yeah I think I think it did Buffalo. Wasn't it Buffalo and Kansas City that was on the stream on that Sunday night? Yeah, I think so. I think it did like 50 million. It did 50 million views, which was the highest-watched divisional game, I think, ever, if I'm not mistaken. Look that up, Chad.

I know y'all will correct me. But see, here's the thing. We changed the variable. We're talking about right now. You say, well, if you if beyonce was dating a football player well if i had if you i had elon musk musk or bernard he knows money we would be the richest men in the world but we don't we can't add that variable we have to use what we have right now you say well uh if it wasn't raining or if this quarterback had that player. You're changing the variables. We have to use what we have right now.

Dolphins Chiefs. Dolphins Chiefs. There's another game on Peacock the following week. That was only one game on Peacock. Okay. Dolphins Chiefs. And that did $23 million then. $33 million.

Listen, if it don't make dollars, it don't make sense. To the NFL. Oh, yeah. I mean, listen listen We all know what their bottom line is At the end of the day And anything that they do do They're going to do it To make sure they can monetize on it You know what's going to be next?

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That's why they spent money with alcohol. They used to be prohibition. They bootlegged it. But once the government found a way to tax alcohol, they made it legal. Boom, made money. What did they do with weed? How many people, how many black and brown people are incarcerated for weed?

Yeah. Now they found a way to monetize it. It's not merely. So guys, when Ocho and I, when we have a conversation, it's not about like or dislike. I'm not saying,

and a lot of times we disagree and that's not by, okay, Ocho, you got to take this side. I got to take that side. Well, Ocho, you took that side. We just disagree with certain things. This not to say taylor swift is more talented or not this is not to say she can sing better or not this is not to say anything other than what the nfl is doing when they show

her this is what they're doing and this is why they're doing it so and i did not say people complex and there are other sides that said i said said that Taylor Swift was big as Michael Jackson. I said, she's the closest thing to that. We do have that. We do have that. That's a fact. People can argue that, but it's the fact she's the closest thing that we have to it. But will there ever be anyone close to being able to do what Michael Jackson was able to do?

Absolutely not. I tell you what, Ochoa, you and I was talking about this earlier. When Michael Jackson pop out on stage, and people start fainting after they done paid $5,000, $10,000 for tickets, and they missed the concert because they passed out, I'm going to say he or she is

as big as Michael Jackson. But until that happens, it ain't happening. It ain't happening. Michael, Mike was different. You set the standard. I don't know if we're ever going to see anything like him again because we watched him as a child. Jackson 5, and then he went off on his own, off the wall,

which was his first release which was unbelievable it might be his best work although thriller got more commercial success with album sale it's hard for me to believe that off the wall wasn't his best work now there's another there's another branch we can take this tree off of based on the conversation as far as we talk about from an entertaining aspect as far as stage presence and actually watching and commanding the eye from an entertainment aspect yeah the way michael jackson did when it comes to entertaining now we have we do have maybe two maybe three that that had that type of stage presence the way michael. For one, Beyonce would come performing.

I'm not sure for those in the chat that have had the opportunity to see Beyonce perform in person, to me, that equates to the same effect of seeing Michael perform live. If you've seen,

some people might not agree with this, if you've ever seen Chris Brown perform live on. Oh, he can move. Man, listen, I'm talking about an entertaining aspect. Yes.

Yes. His presence. And with these, like very Michael Jackson-ish. I'm not saying Michael Jackson. Right. I'm talking from an entertainment aspect. You're going to come performing and putting on.

James Brown was the originator of that. James Brown was the first singing and dancing. The moves that you see Prince and all that other stuff, it was James. And you know how hard that is? Yeah. To be able to dance and still sing

and be able to control your voice so everything comes out the right way? Bro, listen. I don't know if you've ever been to a Beyonce concert, but I give her the utmost respect because if you remember Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire, I said Ginger Rogers had the hardest job.

Because here's the thing, she did everything Fred Astaire did, she did it backwards and in heels. When you watch Beyonce, Beyonce got on three five-inch heels and she's non-stop singing, dancing, she's all

over the place. Quick change, she's back at it again and she's giving you two hours of work. You have to be impressed with that. Look, and that's not a knock on people that don't just go and they sing like Adele. I love Adele concert because Adele, not only does she sing, she's a storyteller. note that's not a knock on people that don't that just go and they sing like adele i love adele concert because adele not only does she sing she's a storyteller she tell you where she was the state

of mind she was in what she was thinking when she wrote this song and where she is not if you've ever seen a concert kind of like john legend i saw john legend in concert at the hollywood bowl he's another storyteller has Has a very interesting story. But Beyonce, to be able to do that, it's like a DB. You have to have, I say DBs are more athletic than wide receivers because they're doing everything the wide receiver does, but he's doing it backwards.

That's why you have the respect. That's why people like Beyonce and people that sing, dance, and entertain for two hours. That's why y'all have to give them so much more respect. Because do you understand? And don't miss a beat. And if they do miss a beat, you don't know it. You don't see it. Matter of fact, I forgot what

tour was on where Beyonce she slipped a little bit. She slipped a little bit when she went low but she didn't notice it because she stayed on beat. And what people don't get to see, I think if people are able to see

this is why I like when Beyonce had a documentary. So it takes you through everything that she's gone through to get to what people get to see when they show up to watch. All we get to see is a physical product when it comes to rappers, when it comes to artists. All we know is the music that they put out

and not all the work that goes into it. So you get a better understanding on why she is great as she is. Listen, I told a story last night. I think it went over a lot of people's heads when I told them, listen, I helped with some of Beyonce's choreography. I used to be a backup dancer,

you know, at times. Way back. Yeah, at times. Way back. Yeah, way back. It's like 2015, 2014. You know, I was a backup dancer, so I've seen the work that she's done. More like 1915. No, no, no, no, no.

2015, 2015, yeah. I've seen the work that she's put in to reach the stratosphere in which she's at now, and it's unbelievable to see what she's become just based on me being there and and and learning the choreography and dancing and helping out so i feel like i'm a part of that journey as

well but that's why i said that's why when you look at these great you look at them at home you look at brady and you see their heroics on sunday do you know actually how much time they put in during the week with film study and practice people don't understand you think they just like show up and they just listen they make it look easy they make it look so exactly but do you know how many hours that you have to study to know okay in this down and distance in this area of the field and and this time of the game, this is what defense they like to run, and you got to just spit that out,

entertain it. It's got to be, it's nonstop computer. And that's why I got like, it's like, when I got done, people like, you ain't go out,

go out to do what? Do you understand the mental grind that I was on for the last two and a half hours? I don't really want to talk. I don't want to do anything. I just want to go home and relax.

I'm fine. I got blitz. I got a block. I got a check. I got to make sure everybody knows what they need to do. Got my responsibility. Man, it's a... And that's only a tenth of what a quarterback has to know.

Yeah. You understand what Patrick Mahomes... What is on Patrickrick mahomes play uh brady or or or a peyton manning is i don't even want to know how many hours peyton spent studying tape and watch it but it's over the monotony of it so guys hopefully i offered some clarifications because this was not a oh sh Shannon thinks this, Shannon thinks that. There are a lot of people, and Ash's DM said, man, Shannon talked about, there are adults, there are big girls, older girls, young ladies that like Taylor Swift. But I think you're missing the point of what I'm trying to say, what NFL is trying to do.

Peacock, streaming-only NFL wildcard game, drove a record 2.8 million signups. That makes the Chiefs Dolphins game the single biggest subscriber acquisition in the event has ever measured. 2.8 million times basically $5 million a year. I mean, a month is $5 a month. Excuse me. That's $14 million worth of additional revenue. So that's what. We worth of additional revenue. So that's what... We know what it is.

Another question we have, when can Mahomes be in the GOAT conversation? Has he not yet? Oh, he has a conversation. Yes, we can have a conversation right now. He's already in it right now. Yes. And the fact that he's able to be in the GOAT conversation

so fast, six years into his career nobody's ever been in this fast no no no you you can't argue it now the closest to him if i'm not mistaken would be would be similar to to maybe to brady a little bit huh yes yeah if you look at it brady through that first six years first seven years br Brady had three Super Bowls. He has two. Brady had no regular season MVPs. He had two. Brady had two Super Bowl MVPs. Mahomes had two. But he's 70 touchdowns

and over 7,000, almost 7,000 passing yards ahead of where Brady was at the same point in time in their careers. So think about that now. Yeah, that's crazy. So basically what's going to happen is.

And he's one more playoff game. He's one more playoff game ahead of where Brady was at the same point. One playoff win. So he's a two-time Super Bowl champ, two-time NFL champ, two-time All-Pro. Obviously, he's been to the Pro Bowl every year he's been a starter. Every year. Well, basically every year he's been in the league. He's 14 and 3 in the playoffs that's also don't say another word

that's the exact same record Peyton Manning has 14 career playoff wins yeah in 18 years yeah that's crazy Mahomes in six seasons and starting has 14 playoff wins so. So is it a testament for Peyton and the work he put in and the studying and showing how difficult the sport is? And based on circumstance and the team he was with, does Patrick Mahomes have somewhat of an advantage? Or is he just that much better and greater at the quarterback position because he's having so much success early? I don't know if we've had a quarterback that had all the tools that Patrick Mahomes has that can throw the ball 70 yards. He can change arm angles, his legs. I don't know if we've seen a quarterback as talented as Patrick Mahomes.

And hold on. Basically, he can throw with his left hand too. Well, you saw him do it. He's actually done it. Throw with his left hand too. He's actually done it he's actually done it and so when you look at it and that's the thing when you look at what he's done because he he's not what we call he was a game manager the second half because he and Andy Reed decided Andy said

you look at the way Andy called the game the first half and you look at the way he called the game the second half he realized with the way his and you look at the way he called the game the second half. He realized with the way his defense was playing and what he saw from the Baltimore's offense if we don't put this ball in harm's way, I don't believe they can drive the ball 80, 90 yards and beat us. Let's not give them

a short field. Go ahead, Ocho. They hadn't made any adjustments offensively. I saw what you said earlier on ESPN. I think you were saying that the coaches coach and the players play. Yes. At some point, sometimes the coaches have to take advantage of the situations and understanding what you're doing is not working. And you got to make the minor adjustments to change things up. I was arguing the fact that last night, goddamn spags, you keep on blitzing, you keep on blitzing, you keep on blitzing.

Well, if you're blitzing to make Lam're blitzing to make lamar uncomfortable well it ain't on lamar to change what he's doing because he has to run with the plays that are called this is the chess match a game of football is nothing but a chess match and between coordinators i need you to make the best moves you can with the pieces you had to work with so if you're obviously doing the same thing and you know spags is blitzing all the time, whatever the percentage of blitzing might have been in the first half, it was a lot. They tailed off of it towards

the end of the game because, listen, at this point nothing seems to be working. And they got away from what they do best. What the Ravens do best, they got away from it. Yes. Even if it wasn't working, you keep on doing it. I think the fact that they got behind the eight ball a little bit, they got behind the eight ball a little bit. The Raven defense did their job in the second half. The adjustments that need to be made offensively

weren't to me. I don't think they were made the right way because they didn't score any points. Right. When the defense shut the Chiefs out in the second half right but now but of course some of the blame does go on lamar but i think also from a coordinating standpoint that just need to be made so you can change some of the things you're doing so you can run the ball and pass it efficiently oh sure a lot of times when was the last time the Ravens had been behind in the game? Oh, right. Okay, so now how do I respond? Because, Ocho, I've always dictated. I've never been in a situation.

I haven't been behind in the game. Maybe the Rams game. Maybe it was the last game they had been behind. Because they won. I'm not talking about the last game. I think they lost the last game, but that was because Lamar didn't play. I'm saying, what was the last game the Ravens lost?

Because when you look at it, they hadn't been behind in a very long time. Yeah, but they sought Lamar. They sought their starter. They lost to the Browns. Lamar play?

Oh, that was the Deshaun game? Yeah, but that was how long ago was that? Because Deshaun got hurt like week five or week six.

That must have been beginning of season nine. It's at least eight weeks. Ask you over there counting on the fingers and toes and stuff. It was week 10. So the Ravens hadn't been behind in a very long time. And the likelihood everybody is afraid to blitz Lamar because they're afraid of him jumping out the window and taking off. Spag said, I'm going to blitz you, but I'm blitzing to contain you because I still fear your legs more than I fear your arm. And that's not that's not enough.

I mean, some people, Lamar, I mean mean excuse me patrick mahomes people fear patrick mahomes arm much more than they fear his legs but he can go you remember in the super bowl last year when he took off against philly we saw him yesterday we saw him a couple of times last against buffalo last week he can run but his legs don't put the fear in you that his arms does. Lamar arm doesn't put the fear in him that his legs does. And Spag says, I'm blitzing to keep your ass in the pocket. Because if you beat me from the pocket, you throw for three plus three touchdowns. That's on me. I can live with that.

Yeah. I can live with, hey, guys, he got me today. But I refuse to let you run for 100 plus. Right. That's not going to happen. You know what I do like? What I do like is I like the improvement that Lamar has shown that

I want to be a pocket passer first, though, from the pocket. You saw him a few times where, obviously, the route combinations that they were running, it wasn't working, and the coverage, the plays that Spagabond called were good, but he was sitting there patting the ball three, four seconds, but that

clock, that clock on that strip fumble, that clock got to go off. One second, two second, three, you got to get up out of there. You got to get up out of there and stop waiting for something to come open because at that point, at that point, it's dead.

And so that's what I'm talking about, but Mahomes is already in the mvp conversation go conversation because nobody has been as successful through the first three years when it in its totality when you look at regular season mvps super bowl mvps uh five thousand he has two five thousand yard passing season He's led the league in passing touchdowns twice. Nobody can say they had this type of career through their first seven years. And so he's been in the league seven years, but he's only been six years as a starter.

Same as Brady. Brady didn't start his first year, which was 2000. And then, yes. So that's the comparison. And people say, well, Brady got we're talking about through the first seven years. Brady didn't have even if you if Patrick Mahomes started every year and they won the Super Bowl, he'd have the same number of Super Bowls as Tom Brady. So come on, people. Yeah. Y'all just say anything to try to get your point across. If you notice, we're comparing through the first seven years of their career. If when Patrick Mahomes is done, then we can look back through the totality. But he's already in the GOAT conversation based on what he's been able to accomplish so soon.

I'm not saying he's the GOAT. I refuse to bestow that upon him currently. But he's ahead of where Brady was, who became the GOAT at the same point in time. That's what we're seeing. Right. So right now, Mahomes, he completed 67% of his passes. Yes. 422 of 626 passes.

He has 4,182 passing yards, 38 TDs, just seven interceptions. The damn quarterback rating is 106.3 quarterback rating. In the GOAT conversation, we were talking about quarterbacks. Where is he ranked right now based on the Elways, the Mannings, the Brady, the Peyton Manning, the Aaron Rodgers? Where

is he slated to you, for you, based on what he's been able to do so far? It's a very, very short list. I mean, for me, he's already top five. So basically, it's Brady, Montana, him, and for me, and Mahomes. So that's who's fighting it out. And that's not a knock on Johnny Unitas. That's not a knock on Otto Graham, Bart Starr.

They've been some other great quarterbacks. But if you look at where this kid is currently and what he's been able to accomplish, how do you say he's not Mount Rushmore right now? I think Aaron Rodgers could really have a compelling case if his playoff record wasn't so bad. But he does have a Super Bowl. Does that count for anything?

He has one Super Bowl and a Super Bowl MVP with four regular season MVPs. MVPs. That's not enough. I mean, he had Patrick Mahomes has passed him as far as playoff wins, right? I mean, Patrick Mahomes has been in the league half the time. Yeah, yeah. Let's not make it seem like Aaron Rodgers ain't had some studs

because he was throwing to Jordy Nelson. He was throwing to James Jones. He was throwing to Greg Jennings. Yeah, he had some boys, man. Oh, he had some studs. He had some boys. Yeah, he had some boys. He had Aaron Jones. He had Eddie Lacy running the ball. So let's not pretend like he didn't have quality wide receivers.

I have another question for you. This is a great topic. Chat. Y'all stay with me real quick, Chad. Stay with me. So, Brady-Belichick, we understood the maturation and relationship that they had and that we never knew

who was responsible for the greatness of the New England Patriots, whether it was Bill or whether it was Tom. But we saw once Tom left, we saw what happened. So what happens if you separate

Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes? Andy Reid. Is it Andy Reid or is it Patrick Mahomes? Is it just or is it a similar relationship similar to Bill and Tom or is this completely different? Andy Reid was in Philly. How long was Andy in Philly?

14 years. He went to one Super Bowl and he lost. He's been with Patrick. He's been in the last five years, he's gone four times. Right. So you tell me. So's been with Patrick. He's been, in the last five years, he's gone four times. Right. So you tell me. So it's the quarterback.

Okay. Okay. That's the guy. I was curious. That's the guy. Okay. That's the guy. Right.

He is, and I'm not, look, and they work well together. Very well. And I think the thing for those two guys, none of those guys wants to see I can win without you. And that's what kind of started happening in New England because one of the guys started, and I think for the most part, the media has done a great job not trying to say,

well, who gets more credit? Kind of like what they did, they started to do with coach Belichick and coach Brady right coach Belichick coach Belichick and Brady they started like well who's most responsible for this dynasty who and they started to hear it and coach Belichick said well of course I am and Tom says uh

but it's the I'm the one that's throwing the football I'm the one that's out there doing it and uh and all of a sudden well I want to show you I want to show you, I want to show you. Because see what happened with Joe and Coach Walsh. When Coach Walsh retired, Joe went to another Super Bowl and won and won Super Bowl MVP. So we had really never seen Super Bowl winning quarterbacks and a head coach split. Like Terry Bradshaw could have that case because Coach No still

coached after Terry left. But for the most part, it was, and but when we look at, when we look at Coach Belichick and Tom, I don't, I, and me, I was the one. And I think he deserves some credit

because he did a lot, he drafted the players. He did everything. But at the end of the day, those guys, Tom Brady, he's got to pull that trigger every single time. And what Tom could do better than anybody currently is that he understood the situation. He understood early on in the game, I'm going to be on a shootout i gotta go

i gotta do this oh man this game gonna be nip and tuck i can't turn it over so i'm gonna force you to make a mistake right that's what he could do better than anybody and you see patrick mahomes and you see andy reed andy got just like oh no no no we're gonna put hey hey i'm gonna hold this horse back i know you want to run but but I'm going to sit up on you and I'm going to hold these reins. Let them make the mistake. See, that's what they were able to

do. And so, Aaron Rodgers is 11-10 in his playoff career. Patrick Holmes is 14-3. That's crazy. 14. That's crazy. That's crazy. 14. That's crazy. It's six.

Okay. One more hypothetical. Let's say you take Patrick Mahomes out and you put Aaron Rodgers in the same position with the same offense with the same players. Is he 14 and three? No, because I believe he had situations where he had just comparable players. Mistakes. Right. I don't.

I don't believe the fact that Patrick Mahomes decision making with the ball in his hands. Is that much better? OK. OK. Yes. All right. And we got to stop. Oh, Tom Brady.

So if you say Tom Brady is the GOAT because he beat Patrick Mahomes in the playoffs so what's Nick Foles he beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl is he the GOAT Eli Manning beat Tom Brady in the Super Bowl is he the GOAT Joe Flacco beat Tom Brady in the AFC Championship game is he the GOAT so I'm just trying to figure

he beat him twice he beat him in the wild card game his rookie year and he beat him in the AFC championship game. So if that's what we're basing it on, if one player beats said player in a game, a head-to-head, that makes him the better player. That makes him the GOAT. So by that logic, Nick Foles is the GOAT,

or Eli is the GOAT, or Joe Flacco is the GOAT. The thing is just body of resume, body of work, body of work, the totality of your body of work. No, Brady did not lose the name quarterback. So Nick Foles is the name quarterback, right? So that's what y'all saying. The guy been all over the place. Remember, he was in Kansas City.

He thought about retiring before he ended up going back to Philly. He was in Kansas City. He was at the Rams. Look at what he, how would he look at Chicago? How did he look in Jacksonville? Remember, he got that big payday from Jacksonville. How did Nick Foles look in Jacksonville remember he got that big payday from Jacksonville how did Nick Foles look in Jacksonville after he had did what he did to the

Patriots went head to head with Tom Brady and didn't blink how did Nick Foles look so that means he's the GOAT cause he beat Tom Brady in the biggest stage Eli Manning he the GOAT he beat Tom Brady twice so he got to be the GOAT.

If that's what we're basing it on, y'all in the chat, you're saying because Brady beat Patrick Mahomes in the AFC Championship game and the Super Bowl, therefore he's the GOAT. What is Eli Manning

that's 2-0 head-to-head in Super Bowls against Tom Brady? What's Nick Foles? Now you see how flawed your argument is. You know it's more than that. Because it's regular season,

it's MVPs, regular season, it's All-Pro, it's Pro Bowls, it's Super Bowl, it's MVPs, it's a lot of things. Passing touchdown, led the league things passing touchdown uh led the league in passing touchdown led the league in passing yards it's a lot of things that go into this it's just not wins it's a resume it's a body of work right now for tom brady has the greatest body of work but to say that tom that but patrick mahomes and it doesn't mean that he's going to catch him or surpass him,

but he's ahead of where Brady was at the same point in time in their careers. That's what, I mean. Yeah, I mean, there's a chance he can catch him. Yes! There's a chance he can catch him. How? It's possible. Here's the thing.

You keep that unit together. Think about what the Patriots did all the time. The pieces to the puzzle with the Patriots changed every year, whether it be offensively, whether it be defensively, different receivers came in, different running backs came in,

but there was one centerpiece that always remained in place, and that was 12. So the same thing could happen over there in Kansas City as well. You manipulate the money, manipulate the cap, move some of Mahomes'

stuff into a signing bonus, and you'll always be able to continue to be able to build around him. Always. Which means you will always be in contention come hell or high water, as long as that centerpiece is always in place. And let that sink in. They took away the most dangerous

the last two years, they took away the most dangerous receiver in the NFL and Patrick Mahomes won an MVP and got the back-to-back Super Bowls. Now you tell me that's not greatness. Let that sink in ladies and gentlemen. So if I took Jamar Chase away from Joe Burrow

for two years who would be the So if I took Jamar Chase away from Joe Burrow for two years, who are the best? If I took CD away from Dak for two years, hell, Dak can't get to the Super Bowl with CD. So that's a flawed argument. Who can I go with? Who can we go with, Ocho? Who can we go with?

Don't talk about the boy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Don't talk about the boy. Don't talk about the boy like that. So if I take away whomever we think are the best wide receiver comp, a quarterback duo,

and I took them away for two years, what's the likelihood that you believe they could win an MVP and get the back-to-back Super Bowls? Listen, that put... I don't think people realize what happened. He lost Tyreek. Tyreek is the first player in NFL history to go back-to-back 1,700-yard receiving season.

There's a great chance Tyreek Hill, he could possibly win Offensive Player of the Year. I think it's probably going to go to Christian McCaffrey, but I'm just saying, back-to-back 1,700-yard receiving season. Patrick Mahomes lost that. Won an MVP, a Super Bowl MVP, and going to back-to-back Super Bowls.

Now you tell me what they did. Because y'all, he had Tyreek, he had Tyreek. Well, he hadn't had Tyreek for two years and he's back in the Super Bowl. Buddy good, man. Yeah, and that's the same thing I said about Brady. Do you understand that Brady

went to, and see this is why we said about Joe. Do y'all realize Joe went to two Super Bowls and won two Super Bowls before Jerry set foot in San Fran? Do people realize that? Yes. Joe Montana won two Super Bowls and was two Super Bowl MVP before Jerry set foot

in San Fran. Tom Brady won three Super Bowls before Gronk set foot in New England. Boy, this is good, man. So, I don't devalue any quarterback based

on what they got. Jared was great. Jerry took Joe to another level. Joe took Jared to another level. Brady was great. Gronk took him to another level. Yes! Tyreek was great. Gronk took him to another level. Yes. Tyreek was unbelievable. But, and the go-out conversation. Now, you do realize

Travis Kelsey tied Jared Rice for the most 100-yard playoff games in NFL history. He passed Jared Rice yesterday for the most catches in playoff history. Playoff history, yeah. Okay, I don't know where, I think he's close behind Jerry in touchdown catches.

So he plays big in big moments. He plays great in the regular season. All these thousand catch seasons. Y'all make it seem like I said Gronk was a bum, but based on a nephew's body of work, y'all make it seem like it's out of the realm of possibility. Y'all make it seem like I said, oh, I'm the goat over Grump.

Nah, Travis Kelsey got a compelling case. And for me, based on what he's done and how long he's done it and the consistency, he's the goat for me. Yeah. It's hard to argue. It's hard to argue. It's hard to argue the numbers. It's hard to argue the resume. It's hard to argue the body of work to argue It's hard to argue the numbers It's hard to argue the resume

It's hard to argue The body of work Because it's right there in front of you So When you have a compelling case And you're looking at the facts I mean what is there to say Because then

If anybody wants to argue the fact Then it goes down To based on preference And you just Eliminate the numbers Right Well I like this individual player better Based on whether it be

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Will Lamar be able to win a Super Bowl in Baltimore? What says Chad Ochocinco Johnson? You know how difficult it is? Let's start there. As great as Lamar is, do you understand how difficult it is to get back? You know I understand the hell I was saying. Yeah, yeah.

And listen, I'm talking shit about how difficult it is, and I ain't been to no AFC championship or Super Bowl outside of playing Madden. But I still understand and know the game and how difficult it is for teams to get back. And we've been spoiled with Mahomes. We've been spoiled with Brady. And thinking that, well, that's the standard

and it's possible to do it over and over because, look, they did it. And it ain't like that. It ain't like that. That's why situations like looking at Dan Campbell and the Lions not being in that position in what, 30, 32, 30 plus years. Yep.

It's very difficult. And to get back, it's going to be two times as hard because now you got a target on your back. Now people have film study on you. They're ready for what you did. And you have the number one schedule because you won your division.

Bingo. So now you get the hardest one schedule because you won your division. Bingo. So now you get the hardest schedule like that. It's very difficult. But Lamar, again, and I will say it, for what he's been able to do in the regular season,

he is so dynamic. The opportunities will always present itself and he will always have his team in contention to be one in the playoffs, one contending for AFC Championship, but they have another team out over there in the AFC North

that they're going to have to deal with. They're going to deal with y'all. Y'all got to get by Lamar. You got to worry about Lamar. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Number nine? Number nine over there? Number eight. Number eight over there.

Number nine over there in Cincinnati from the boot. You know what I'm talking about? Joe Cool. Joe Shiesty. Ain't no Lamar from the bottom. Huh? Yeah, he from the bottom. Okay, dear.

Yeah, he from the bottom. Okay, dear. You got to deal with him. Listen, because a healthy Joe Burrow, listen, let's not ignore what he's done. A healthy Joe Burrow ain't be the healthy Lamar. Let's not ignore what he's done also in a very short amount of time. He can't change

an entire organization like this with a snap of a finger. He even had to flick his heels three times. When has a healthy Joe beaten a healthy Lamar? You know what? I don't have the numbers in front of me. I don't have the stats in front of me.

I don't have the games in front of me. They ain't going to be there. We'll see what happens in 2024. I bet you that. We already got it. We already got the money on us. All I'm going to say is, Ocho, you know what?

It's about a family. How much do we bet? 500. 500 again. Yeah. Okay, bet. And you know what, Ocho? So you're going to be out of 1,000.

I can tell you that. I'll tell you what. I bet you bottom dollar on that. You're going to be out of 1,000 dollars. I'm going to say, you know what I want you to do? I want you to send me my money. Let's go ahead and put the money up because I'm a you that. I'll tell you what. I bet your bottom dollar on that. You're going to be out of $1,000. I'm going to sit. You know what I want you to do? I want you to send me my money. Let's go ahead and put the money up

because I'm a firm believer. Firm believer, Ocho. A money out of sight calls a fight. Put the money up. Let me see it. Ain't going to cause no fight. No, no. A money out of sight calls a fight.

But listen, it ain't going to cause no fight because I'll jump on you like a spider monkey. This ain't what you want. You know, Ocho. I'm good for it. You know I'm good for it because my word is what you want. You know, you know, I'm good. I'm good for it. You know, I'm good for it. Cause my word is all I got.

You ever shop for money? Yeah. Yeah. Take the money out, put the money on the table. We took the money up under the wood. We put it on, on,

on everybody. Know that they never shot, shot money for a shop for money. Roll for... Shot who for money, rolled out. The money got to be out. Money out of sight cause a fight. Okay, I'm going to pull it out the bank. I'm going to pull it out the bank. But you're going to lose.

The fact that you even want to bet against Joe Burrow and Jamal Chase and T. Higgins and Tyler Boyd and the boys. I like that. Hold up. You bet against Lamar. You bet against Lamar You better give Lamar And Zay Flowers

And Lively And likely Excuse me Likely Andrews will be back healthy Bateman Alright Alright

Edwards and Hill Although they didn't use Edwards and Hill yesterday You're talking real spicy boy You're talking real spicy I'm just saying I don't know Alright They won that division

Who won it the year before that? And the only reason You're talking real spicy. I'm just saying, don't you? All right. They won that division. Who won it the year before that? Lamar was hurt. And the only reason we lost the division this year. And the only reason we lost the division this year because Joe Burrow was hurt. He always hurt. What? No.

He always hurt. No, he ain't. His first year, what happened? Second year, what happened? Where did he take us? Where were we at? Third year, what happened? AFC Championship. Last year, this year, what happened second year what happened where did he take us third year what happened last year this year what happened okay little small

little small little setback injuries are a part of the game well we got that we got that we got you covered we got you covered we'll deal with you we gonna deal listen I'm never wrong when it comes to picking games listen this year I went I probably went 17 never wrong When it comes to picking games Listen this year I went

I probably went 17-0 When it came to picking games No you ain't picking games Picking the teams to win No Yeah Well you You picked Baltimore yesterday

So you wrong on that one So you 17-1 I know at least Yeah Actually Just be honest I'm 17-2 17-2

Cause I picked the Lions to win too Uh Yeah 17-2. 17-2. Because I picked the Lions and went two. You said, oh, okay. Oh, man. No, but look, I didn't chime in. I think he can. People make it seem like Lamar is in year 14.

The man's only in year six or seven. Yeah. So, damn. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's was in year 14. The man's only in year 6 or 7. Yeah. So, damn. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's his fifth year starting. Lamar's fifth year starting because he came in the year after Lamar. I mean, after 18. Yeah.

He had to play one behind Joe Flacco, right? Yes. Then Flacco got hurt. Remember, Flacco got hurt, and then they put him in. He ended up taking him to the playoff. They lost the first right they lost in the wild card game yeah two other charges at the time they were in San Diego but yes I do believe he can get he can get there it's tough see Brady and Mahomes has spoiled it for everybody yeah because they think everybody just go on the first year go, oh, here we go.

It doesn't happen. Nah. It takes some time, Mojo. Sometimes, I mean, we saw it go through with Peyton. Hell, Elway lost bad three times. I'm talking about them games wasn't close.

He lost 55-10, 42-10. Yeah, he was getting the doors blown off. But he got there. I mean, he got there, what? 83 was his first draft. He got there in 86, got there again in 87, and got there again in 89. So he went to the Super Bowl like three times in his first seven

years. Lost them all. Lost them bad. And then it was another seven years before he got back. Yeah. Went both back to back. But, man, it's not easy getting to the Super Bowl and winning. Yeah, he's going to get back, maybe not to the Super Bowl, but come hell or high water, every time Lamar touches the field, they have a chance. They would

be in contention for an AFC championship. Every time. The fact is, you know what's coming. This is what, to me, what tells the greatness of a player. You know what you get, you watch film on him, you know what's coming, and you still can't stop it.

You know what he does well, you know what he's going to do, and you still can't stop it. You know what he does well. You know what he's going to do and you still can't stop it. So when you have a player that caliber that can make things happen, not with just his legs, now showing you can do it with his arm as well, you'll always have a chance with somebody that special. Yeah. Well, I believe he can. Dan Campbell says he doesn't regret going for it twice. Stand on it. You got to stand on it.

You got to stand on it. You can't. Listen, you got to stand on it. Dan came in one way. He came in one type of way. He came in talking shit, talking about biting kneecaps. And he's been riding that wave and staying true to who he is. And his players like it.

And you don't get to the biggest game of your career. Hell, in the Lions organization. And all of a sudden change who you've been since day one. Would you have liked him to change? Yes. The chance of it happening? Probably not. But up 17, shouldn't you change something?

Yeah, yeah. See? You're not behind in the game and you're not only up seven. You're up by two scores. Why not push it to three scores? And I get that's who we are. But at some point in time, I'm going to make them beat us. I'm not going to let the crowd get back into the game

if we go forward on fourth and don't get a stop because now they go down they get points we fumble and what was a 17 point game is now seven point game and now you've got 80 000 back into the game you let them back into the game and so i get you know this is who we atlanta i get who you are but you don't think you want to run the ball some? How does a team that's behind 28-3 run the ball more in the second half than the team that's up 28-3? That's all I'm saying, Ocho. So how does a team that led the league in rushing

and your best rusher only has two more carries than Patrick Mahomes? And as a team, you have fewer carries than Isaiah Pacheco has by himself. That's all. I think, Ocho, but I think this. I think we've all

regretted something and our pride wouldn't let us say that publicly. But when we alone in ourselves, when we're in our innermost thoughts, man, I could do that. You think

he feels he should have changed? Yes! Ocho, you had a 17 point lead and you're half away from going to the Super Bowl, and you ain't got no regrets? Right. None? Listen, you know what got them here?

You know what got the Lions to this point? That same type of aggressive play calling. But how many games were they up? That same belief in his players that they're going to get the job done when their numbers call. Let me ask you a question. How many games were they up 17 and played that style?

Yes, I'm with you when you're right. And that's the thing, Hojo. I'm with you when you write And that's the thing Ocho I'm with you when you write I mean Ocho You could do things Here's the thing Ocho You did things differently When you were Chad Johnson coming up Than you do right now

Than your Ocho You can't be the same Nah Adaptability Is the greatest key to survival. Based on circumstance, yes sir. So because I've always done it like this, I'm going to continue to do it like this.

That is a foolish way of thinking. Thinking, right. Yeah. I think it's hard to change though. It's hard for a though It's hard It's hard for It's hard for A Zebra to change his stripes Because he's in a different

In a different surrounding In a different setting You know A Zebra's always Gonna hold his stripes No matter where he's at Right Brock Purdy

Is Brock Purdy elite? Brock Purdy. Is Brock Purdy elite? Brock Purdy is a good quarterback. That ain't what I asked you. Brock Purdy is a good quarterback surrounded by immense talent across the board. Elite? No. When I say that,

they get mad at me. Why would they get mad? Maybe it's the delivery in which you say it. Maybe it's the delivery in which you say it. Maybe it's the delivery in which you say it. I mean, Brock Purdy is an elite. Brock Purdy is a good quarterback who is surrounded by immense talent. I love Brock.

And what we saw from Brock the other night, which we haven't seen, is Brock play against adversity. In the biggest moments. Yes. You don't fold. You don't throw interceptions. You don't turn the ball over. You make all the throws. Not only that, I saw

Brock take off with the ball and run. I ain't seen him do that all year. Right. I ain't seen him do it all year. But I saw when they played the Ravens, and you had to play from behind. I saw interceptions. Even though they're unfortunate tip balls, I saw interceptions. And there

was just no way in hell you were going to come back in that game. But to come back against the Lions and do it, down 17? And the onus is on Brock Purdy. The onus is on 13. We got to put the game in your hands.

I haven't seen him do what we saw him do the other night enough for him to be in the elite conversation. He did it in that moment. And he did exceptionally well. But not elite. Not elite. People are going to say, well, he wouldn't a Super Bowl elite. Very good quarterback, though. Very good quarterback based on the situation

and what they ask him to do. So let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. By their... If Brock Purdy wins the Super Bowl, makes him elite, Trent Dilfer was elite.

Because he won with the... Joe Flacco... Because he won the Bucs? He won the Super Bowl with us. Oh, yeah. I'm talking about the Bucs. I'm talking about with y'all. With us. Joe Flacco was elite.

I mean, if that's your argument, elite. Elite is a different category, man. We talk about currently playing today. What is it? Maybe two quarterbacks? We talk about elite? Yes. Do people understand

what elite is? No. They think if you have a couple of good games, you're elite. No. Elite. Consistency. Over an extended period of time. Period of time.

Receivers. People in the chat said, if Mahomes lose the Super Bowl, he's not elite. You see, that's why I really don't like talking football with fans. Because they say anything. They will prefer to say anything. So now if Mahomes lose to Subo, he's not elite. So we're going to take a guy that's won two league MVP, two Subo MVP,

two 5,000 yard passing season, two-time first team All-Pro, he lose to Subo, now he's not elite. See how we talk? I try to have a conversation, and I like having conversations with the fans because I try to offer insight into the mind of a professional athlete.

And I like to think I was pretty good at what I did. I try to take you inside the huddle. I try to take you inside the locker room. But when y'all say stuff like this, how do you expect me to take you serious and say you really want to talk serious football? Maybe they argue and just argue. Maybe they're arguing just to argue. Maybe they're arguing just to engage

and just create a topic and just create dialogue. Dialogue that makes no sense. Let's talk about elite receivers. What makes an elite receiver? You got to do it over a period of time. Listen, one,

you come in year one, oh, you surprise everybody. They don't respect you. They're going to play you one-on-one. Let's see what you got. Year two, you come back, okay, your body at work is on camera. Now we know what's coming. Let's see if you can do it again.

Year three, the defense that play calls when you break the huddle as a receiver is lined up based on where you are. Now we know it's coming and you still getting off. Yeah. The body of work, even in year three, when most receivers arrive into their own, you're still doing it.

Right. The consistency in doing it year in, year out, even when they know it's coming, puts you in the elite conversation as a receiver. Same thing with a quarterback. Yeah, but heard the thing, Ocho. Eli won two Super Bowls and nobody ever considered him elite. elite conversation as a receiver. Same thing with a quarterback. Yeah, but heard the thing. Oh, Joe. Eli won two Super Bowls and nobody ever considered him elite.

I'm just speaking honestly. He won two Super Bowls. He beat Tom Brady, the GOAT quarterback, in the biggest game and nobody ever considered him elite. Right. Is Eli Manning

a game manager? No, hell no. Okay, okay. I mean, I mean, he had, he had Tiki Barber. Tiki Barber ran the hell out of the football.

Tiki led the league in rushing. I think he had a couple of 1,600-yard rush seasons. Tiki was really good. I know people might not like Tiki. Yeah, holding the damn ball way up here when he ran. Because he had a fumbling problem. A fumbling problem, yeah.

Yeah. Damn. I just, like I said, I think for for me I just have I just have a different standard and maybe maybe my standard to which I judge players are a little harsh and I think it maybe is because excuse me I've been around great players I've been around elite quarterbacks and so what I think elite is may be too stringent for what the fans that watch. And I get it. Your guy, you always want to thank. If I'm a 49ers

fan, hell yeah, I thank the elite. Because that's my quarterback. You got to get the fandom out of it and you got to stop thinking with emotion. Let's think with logic and understanding the game of football and understanding who is elite and who's not. He's in a great situation and he's a very good quarterback

based on what they ask of him to do. Right. Let's say you take Brock Purdy out of there, and you put Brock on another team. Right. What does he look like? Right. See, I think Mahomes could go to any of the other 31 teams,

or the 30. Hold on. If Kansas City had Patrick Mahomes, they might not lose a game. Who? Oh, the 49ers? The 49ers. Kansas City had Patrick Mahomes, they might not lose a game. Who? Oh, the 49ers? The 49ers. If they had Patrick Mahomes

as their quarterback? That ain't fucking fair. That ain't fair. Because that ain't no different than the 73-9 Warriors. That ain't fair. Listen, I'm not a basketball fan. I'm just using that analogy

because the team was very good. Because, listen, there are certain quarterbacks you put that can overcome not having great talent around them. I think Patrick Mahomes can go on any other team and make them great.

I think Joe Burrow is also one of those players that can do the same. I think Lamar Jackson can also do that and go on other teams and make the, and overcome

the lack of talent around them. Some can, some can't. Ocho, I don't know if you saw this. Justin Tucker downplays the pregame moment between him, Travis Kelsey, and Patrick Mahomes. Tucker was stretching, taking some kicks in the same area which Mahomes was going through his pregame routine. In response, Kelsey grabbed Tucker's helmet,

tossed it to his side. He tossed it. Yeah. Tucker made it clear he didn't think the situation was a big deal. He just thought it was some gamesmanship, all in fun, but it seemed to side. Tossed it. Yeah. Tucker made it clear he didn't think the situation was a big deal. He just thought it was some gamesmanship all in fun, but it seemed to be taken a little more serious. Tucker, you know how this go. You can kick anywhere you want

to, but when the opposing team takes the field in that end zone, you got to move it along, bro. Yeah, yeah. And the middle back, the Patrick Mahomes, Ocho, I don't know how it was with you, but all the coaches don't put your helmet on the field because the quarterback dropping and somebody stepping it, onecho, I don't know how it was with you, but all the coaches, don't put your helmet on the field because the quarterback dropping and somebody stepping it or a pass rusher comes by and they're stepping that helmet.

Yeah. So he had his helmet. Patrick Mahomes is taking steps. Bro, you got to move it along. Yeah, yeah. He was on the wrong end of the field anyway. Like, kickers get out there extremely early, and they kick at both ends because they're going to be kicking on both ends.

So you want to see, you know, you started like 25 yards. I mean, you started PATs and you move back in five-yard increments. Different angles, middle of the field, you go to the hash, each side. But when the opposing team comes and they go to one end of the field, you've got to move it along. By the way, yeah. It ain't no more gamesmanship. This guy get out of the way.

I like a little mind game. A little mind game from the greatest kicker of all time. A little mind game. Listen, I remember my favorite thing is when we used to play the Steelers. We used to play the Ravens. Me and Joey Porter always meet up at the 50. Talking trash like we finna fight. But I wasn't finna hit nobody.

Just sit there arguing. Me and Ray, you know, we do that little meet up at the 50. Right. Say hello. Say a little prayer real quick. Then I get to talking trash to Suggs, talking trash to Bart Scott, bothering everybody.

And the thing is, Ocho, is like, when you're warming up in the pregame, everybody's basically kind of like at the 45s. So, hey, you got your air. Man, y'all, you're trying. Look, ain't nobody intimidating nobody.

Don't come over here with that foolishness now. Because we about to do this for an hour. So, all that talking that foolishness now. Yeah, yeah. Because we about to do this for an hour. Mm-hmm. You're going to have your chance. All that talking that you done said last week. I've been leading up to the game. All that I talked about.

All that wolfing running around the field. Yeah. It's on today. Man, stop. Ain't nothing on. Y'all ain't going to do nothing. You know y'all sorry. You know you sorry.

You ain't got nothing today, Sharp. You ain't going to get nothing today. I said, I bet I'll leave here with more catches than I came in this game with. I know you're sorry. You ain't got nothing today, Sharp. You ain't gonna get nothing today. I said, I bet I'll leave here with more catches than I came in this game with. I bet you that. I might not be nothing. Hey, listen. Joey Porter used to come out there, man. Have his shirt rolled all the way up here. Abs

showing. Like, look like he oiled up. Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, man. Hey, them used to be some good days, man. Ah, them used to be some good days, man. Ah, them used to be some good days. That's the kind of stuff I miss. People always ask, you miss playing football? Like, nah, I don't miss it.

You know what I mean? I miss the camaraderie and I miss the trash talk and I miss the stuff from pregame. I miss the annex, you know, just picking with the opposing players, aggravating them. They be pissed, cussing me out and i'm screaming listen i love you they want me to fuss back i'm so hunk man

i miss them days man yeah i mean i i wouldn't i wasn't no big in gamesmanship i got to my area and i got ready i got i got you know i'm in my thing i ain't all about that josh, you know, I'm in my thing. I ain't all about that Josh and, you know, Moop. What? You ain't talk before game? I talk, look. If I done talk during the week, we can talk. I mean, I'm good. Like I said, you know, they come out.

Oh, Joe, you know how everybody come out. They got their sleeves rolled up. They got their socks rolled down. Yeah, they looking. Yeah. Ain't nothing happening today. Man, get your ass out of here. What you mean ain't nothing happening today man get your ass out of here what you mean ain't nothing happening today you already know what it is you coming to the mile high

man you know you about to catch an L stop that y'all not that you not that either why you talking the best player not even talking you on special team what the hell you talking for right right right you keep on talking I bet you find your. Oh, man. You keep on talking.

I bet you find your name on the waiver while Monday. Now keep talking. Oh. Then I hear the word. I could keep talking. Don't hit it with the low blow. I bet you be on the waiver while first thing Monday morning. I don't ever go that low, man. I go low. I can't tell you. When they go low, I go

to the basement. And if they come join me, I go to hell. I'm going to go lower than what you go. Oh, back... It's like... Not on... You know what I'm saying? Not on TV. I got to keep it a butter. You know where anything goes.

You know where anything goes. We're going to talk crazy. We're going to talk crazy out there. Yeah. And the funny thing about it, the more you say, and this is something I used to do, you know,

I'm giving you bulletin board material on Wednesday, media day. I'm going to talk. I'm going to talk. Yes. Media day. So I got to be ready come Sunday.

Yes. They're trying to knock my head off because I did all that talking and all that woofing and I'm ready for that. I understood. I put the pressure. I put the onus on myself.

Because it forced me to play at a high level. Even though it was fun and it was entertaining, I put the work in. I put the work in through the week. And I understood what the end goal was. Right. And I ain't got no problem. Look, if you get a clean shot, take it. With all that

cheap shot, you know, you got, somebody got your back and then they come and try to hit you in the back. Okay. Yeah, I remember we played the Falcons. We played the Falcons. Oh, yeah. They hit me after the play. I think the coach might have told him, just hit him after the play just to get him rattled a little bit.

Hit him after the play, get him rattled. And he rattled me. And he rattled me. And he rattled me. Oh, so that's how we playing? My young, I'm not physically imposing anyway. I ain't physically imposing. Oh, that's how we playing? Okay, bet.

It's on. I'm going to get you back. I'm physically imposing. I'm going to get your ass back. I'm going to get your teammate back. Listen, my imposing, my imposement was my feet. That's all I had. My get your ass back. I'm going to get your teammate back. Listen, my imposement was my feet. That's all I had. My feet in my mouth.

So, hey, I'm going to get you that way. See, we played the old school black in high school. If you hurt one of our guys, we went out our way to hurt one of yours. Oh, we're going to get you. Like, really? Hurt, hurt? Hurt, hurt. Oh, man.

My sophomore year, we played Johnson County that's Herschel Walker's high school man I ran I remember to play just like yesterday it was 41 cross book man man I hit the hole dude clipped me man

you hit the hole did you play a running back I played a running back yeah I was a running back okay yeah it was my sophomore year, yeah. I was a running back. Okay. Yeah, I did my sideboard year, Ocho. It was like 80, yeah, 83. Goddamn. Yeah. Man, dude clipped me, Ocho. Yeah.

Hit me on my knee. Luther Maynard was the other running back. Man, Luther said, man, what number was it? I said, Scoop. We called him Scoop. I said, man, I don't know, Lou. I think it was number two. Lou said, I got it.

Put him out of the game. Yeah. He had a crack back. I don't know what he did to him. They put me in the ambulance, jumped me to the hospital. I don't know. But when I saw him on Monday, he said, hey, Sharp, I got him. I put his ass out him on Monday, he said, hey, Sharp, I got him. I put his ass out of the game.

I said, good looking out. Oh, yeah. And in the game, somebody did something cheap. Man, who did it? I didn't know who did it. I'm going to get him or I'm going to get his teammate. That was some cheap, you know what, Sharp? Somebody will pay for it. Yeah.

Your guy started it. All I need to know how we doing this today. We going to snap to the whistle or we going to snap to after the whistle. I just need to know because I'm ready for anything. Yeah. Because that's how we going to do it. You not going to cheap shop me. You think I'm going to

let you cheap shop me. So then you can tell hey man, you can cheap shop Sharp man. Oh no, that's never going to happen. Not on my team. Man, you remember, remember when people used to piss Hines Ward off?

Oh yeah. Man. Man, hey, he got, he got Creek Keith Rivers. That's the rule. That's why you can't block black.

He broke his jaw. He broke his jaw. Yeah, I remember. He got Ed Reed too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, Hines, oh, Hines was knocking folks out. Hines ain't jaw. Yeah, I remember. He got air read, too. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, Hines. Oh, Hines was knocking for it. Hines ain't playing. Yeah, man. All that smiling? Uh-uh. He ain't playing. Man, Hines was talking.

That smile ain't mean nothing. Hey. Nah, man. Nah. Look, I just wanted to talk, have some fun, catch my touchdown, celebrate with my teammates. But y'all not finna come in here and think y'all gonna punk anybody on the Broncos.

That wasn't gonna happen. Nope. I don't know where y'all think y'all can do that at. Roquan Smith was at his presser last night saying, you get to say whatever you want when you win. Donovan Smith trolled him from the Chiefs locker room saying, look at this sad ass talking.

All that bleep. He gonna cry. He gonna cry. Ocho, you know how it is. You know what happens to the victor goes to spoils. Yeah. I get to say whatever I want to say for a year. And ain't nothing you can do about it. Yep.

Not until September 9th. Ain't nothing you can do about that. We put y'all out to play. We go to the Super Bowl. Because I remember we beat the Packers in the Super Bowl and then played them in the regular season. And they talking about we're going to get back. Get back what?

Bro, we got rings on our fingers. Y'all ain't getting nothing back for a preseason game. Yeah. It was the third preseason game, Ocho. So you know we're going to play at least three quarters. Quarters, yeah. Especially, yeah. Beat their ass again. Let them know the first time wasn't a fluke.

See if y'all want to take it there. Yeah, one thing about the Ravens, every player handled their loss with grace. Every player handled their loss with grace. Nobody made no excuses. The mistakes that certain players made, they took accountability for it. I like that.

And they handled that loss with grace. Yeah. Every last one of them. You win some, you lose some. They played better than us that day. And you move on. That's what football... That's why people love football so much.

Because it's the suddenness in which it could all be over. And I don't care how, you could be 14-3, you could be 15-2, you could be 18-0. And it's a blink of an eye and 60 minutes is over. Depending on how you play that day, that's all that

matters. No matter what your record is. Yeah. Ocho, I don't know whose side you on on this, but I don't know if you heard it. Nicki Minaj releases Bigfoot amid the feud with Megan Thee Stallion. Hmm. Wait. And hold on.

Check this out, Ocho. It's the rap it girls at each other's throat. Nicki Minaj released Bigfoot. Today said the internet ablaze. Bigfoot is a diss track in retaliation to Meg Stallion's recent release a release a Single title kiss who side you own Who side I'm on? Yeah Who you got?

Nick Nicki Minaj is one of the greatest Female lyricists of all time. Yeah of all of all time I'm not I'm there there are other there are other artists that are that are good you know lyrically that i like listen to i like listen to all of them i support everybody now as far as this battle goes nikki minaj is the queen of rap if i'm not mistaken right yeah i think that's what that's what the title would be i mean basically we've been talking about we've been talking about football for a while. We talk about body of work and elite. Nicki Minaj is in that category of having the body of work, having the resume to be the queen of rap, if I'm not mistaken.

Correct? Yeah. You know, so I'm not on the side. I think what they're doing, maybe going through, maybe there might be some stuff I wouldn't touch on as far as when it comes to dissing. But dissing is a part of rap. It's always been a part of rap. It's not new. And now we have two of one of the greatest artists of all time going at it with one of the new upcoming artists that is also good at what she does.

I think it's great for the game of rap. I think it is. I don't really know what started it, Ocho. I thought they was cool. Now, you know when it come to women now, you never know what started it. They be catty. They be catty. They be real catty now. You be real. Listen, girls go on a trip. As

friends, it be 6-7. When they come back, nobody friends no more. So you never know what's going on. About a dude? See, guys, I mean, maybe. I mean, I've been on trips i ain't i ain't about to lose no friendship about no female okay we see at the same time first come first serve you beat me to it you get the digits you do what you do i ain't mad at you females seem to be get upset about guys and and and and fall out and i'm not saying that's the case here

like i said i need I need more of the backdrop because I think, I thought Nicki was on Megan's song, was on a track with me. Listen, I've seen them do an interview together.

I've seen them, I think, might have been on live together a long time ago. Obviously, you know my kids. My kids, my daughters

love all the rap girls. So that's, they help me, they keep me abreast on what's going on and what new songs are coming out. So one thing I do, I support every artist. I'm going to listen to it. I'm going to stream it.

I'm going to buy it. I'm going to listen to it. And I'm not sure at what point this went south. I saw some of the insos going back and forth on Twitter. Obviously, Nicki has the Barbz and Megan Thee Stallion has her fans. And I think sometimes when it comes to... I think Megan's the hot girls, right? Megan had the hot girl summer.

Oh, yeah. The hot girl summer. Nicki got Barbz. Megan got hot girl summer. You know, this goes way back because, actually, it was for me, I think LL and Kool Moe D. Right. Wait, they was going at it? Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. back because I actually it was for me I think LL and Kool Moe D right they was going at it oh yeah yeah

yeah LL and Kool Moe D yeah yeah they was going back and forth and then you know obviously Ether with Nas and Jay Z that was a good one who was that Cannabis and LL was going at it or Remy Ma

had the hardest diss for a female. That's what, oh, Ice Cube, No Vaseline. No Vaseline, yeah. With him and NWA. Yeah, NWA, yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I heard Cube on a thing the other day said he had No Vaseline 2 ready to go. But they didn't come back and say he had that thing loaded.

But boy, when Remy Mark came for, I think she came for Nicki. That was a good one. Listen, Nicki is a lyrical genius. She's a lyrical genius. And again, like I said, her resume and her body works speech for herself. And when it comes to dissing,

I like when they keep it on, when they keep it musically. Nothing in the street, no beats. If we're going to go at it, let's go at it. What will we do best? Rapping. Yeah. I don't know.

What do you think the best diss track is? Ether by Nas? No Vaseline? No, Ether. Ether was phenomenal. Ether was phenomenal. Was phenomenal. Yeah. Ether was phenomenal.

And obviously, there have been some other good ones about the history of rap in general. But that goddamn Ether, man. Nah, nah. Oh, oh, I forgot about Tupac. Who? Oh, Biggie? Yeah,ac. I hear the ball. Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

First off, you came. Hey, that might be the greatest. That might be the greatest. You came to be a player, but you bustle. Yeah, hey, that might be the greatest line of any diss track ever. How do you come back from that? Like, think track ever. How do you come back from that? Like, think about it. How do you come back from that?

Somebody say, how do you come back from that? Oh, you're talking about when Pac came for Biggie? Yeah, how do you say? Yeah, yeah. Man, shit. You hit my who? My what? Oh, okay.

It's up and stuck now. It's up and stuck.. It's up and stuck. But listen, I like Nicki. I like Meg. I support both of them. I like what both of them have done. I kind of like his. I mean, I had listened all the way through.

I had listened to him. But what I heard, Meg liked that. No, no, Nicki. I mean, I like Nicki too mean I like nigga too I'm not that big I don't listen to rap like I once did Right right right I catch wind of it

Let me see what you're putting down I'm picking up what you're putting down I think it's good for the game I think it's good for the rap game I think it's good Now I'm not a connoisseur of rap, but listen, as long as it stays at the pin, keep it at the pin.

If you keep it at the pin and you keep going back and forth, let's go. Oh, yeah, Pusha T, when Pusha T came for Drake. Oh, for Drake? Pusha T came. Wait, Meek Mill and Drake?

Wasn't Meek Mill and Drake went at it too, right? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. We done had some good ones. And just keep it at the pin, though. As long as it stays at the pin, it doesn't go outside of that,

outside of your respective craft. Let your pin do your work for you. That's the battle we want. Oh, you know what? Ojo, we got to give a congratulations to Jess Hilarious. She's the new co-host of The Breakfast Club.

Hey. DJ Envy and Charlamagne Tha God. So congratulations to her. Congratulations, Jess. Y'all bring me on. Man, look here. I'll tell you what I didn't know. Look, I know she's a comedian. She's just funny now.

Yeah. I ain't know she was like that. What? Her body? yeah her body ain't no laughing matter though I ain't know she was like that what? her body? who? like they body yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada yada body on body on

how the dude say racks on racks on racks but she got body on body on body that's hilarious what? you better find ain't nothing funny about that boy I ain't know that wait I'll take my time with you

huh man hold on don't get me in trouble now I ain't in trouble you I ain't looking man I did not know I did not know let me see you know

I had country Wayne on they were dating. Right. I said, hold on, wait a minute. I said, maybe somebody, I said, hey, maybe somebody photoshopped that. I said, let me go. So, you know, I got two phones, Ocho. I pull up a different site. I dropped them down!

Wait, she like, she like that? Nah, I don't give a bullshit. Man, don't think like something too... Like, hey, like... Hey, like Kyrie dribbling two basketballs. Yeah. Yeah, man.

I didn't know that. Hell yeah. I didn't know that. But let me get off this topic, man. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I ain't trying to... Don't you try...

I only know why I brought you into this. Listen, we can talk. We can talk. I ain't trying to hit that. Don't you try to hit that. I only know why I brought you into this. Listen, we can talk. We can talk. I ain't trying to stay on it too long because, you know, I don't like the doghouse. I don't like that.

Hey, I might have to call him. You know what I'm saying? They sent the thing right to the house. They told me, I ain't going back to the drugstore no more. I'm going to send the head of the thing come right to the house. And the postman,

you better not open my mail either. I like where you're going with this though you know stay with me now just single for you nah nah nah I don't think I don't know

like I said Ocho I didn't know honestly yeah I'ma be prior to like she was on the breakfast club

I didn't know I heard she was on Cam News right pod so I really Ocho man man, you know I'm so deep into what I got

going on. I don't really have a chance to see what's going on with anybody else. Listen, baby, stay with me now because this might be a good thing. This might be a good thing because, you know, she caught your eye. She caught your eye, so I can do my due diligence on my end and... Nah, we good, Ocho.

Nah. Nah. Don't be scared, Ocho. Nah. Huh? Nah. You know what, look. Don't be scared. Don't be scared now. No, no, no, no. Don't be scared.

Look, I'll give people their props. Right, right, right, right, right. So for me, hey, I think she's a curvy woman. Yes, yes. It works. That's what you like too now. Don't be scared now. Come on now.

Nah, nah. You know, ain't nobody scared. Never scared. Yeah, yeah. Never scared. Never scared. Yeah, yeah. I'm bowdy, bowdy. She bowdy, bowdy. I'm bowdy, bowdy. We bowdy, bowdy.

You know what I'm saying, Ocho? You ain't just hitting the master beat, did you? Yeah, I'm bowdy, bowdy. We bowdy, bowdy. Hey, everybody be bowdy, bowdy, man. You better stop it, man. We buying it, man. Hey, everybody be buying it, man. You better stop playing, man. Hey, Jess. Come on.

Jess, I know you're going to see this, Jess. No, Jess, we ain't going to see you. We're going to edit this out. And y'all better not clip it in the chat because you know y'all notorious for that. Y'all quick to clip something and put it up. Man, look what I'm saying. Look what I'm saying.

Yeah, it's a good thing, though. It's a good thing. It's good to give somebody flowers. You know, when you appreciate something, though. It's a good thing. It's good to give somebody flowers. You know, when you appreciate something you see, it's okay. It's okay to show love. It's okay. But, you know, I'm going to take it where you really want to go since you ain't going to go there.

I hook you up now. What happened? I'm going to hook you up. No, no, Ocho. I'm good, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. You say you're good, but I can read through all that now. You read through all that, Ocho?

Yeah, I read through all that. I'm good, Ojo. Hook it up! Bad Ojo, man. You out your mind, bro. Bad. Listen, I know. I know.

I know. We're on the public platform. We got people watching. You don't really want, you know, you want people in your business. But, hey. I got you. I got you. A Los Angeles woman clings to a speeding getaway car after her French bulldog was stolen.

There's a wild video that shows a woman moments that a woman clung to the hood of a driving car in downtown Los Angeles after thieves smashed her French bulldog. Ali Zacarias was sitting outside a Whole Foods when she was approached by a woman who took her dog named Onyx, ran and got into a car being driven by another person. The carriers chased a woman, jumped onto the hood of a car, a white four door Kia Forte as they fled the area. I was like, I'm not letting go of this car. So I just held on to the windshield wiper before I knew it. We were driving down the block picking up speed and I was freaking out for my freaking out for my life. Suddenly she was able to hold on to the front of the hood until the driver swerved and she fell off at 9th Street and Grand Avenue. She's not seriously injured,

but honestly still missing. I'd have did the same thing. I don't play by my dog. Yeah, yeah. Listen, that's instinct. That's instinct. Of course, yeah. It's the same as kids.

I think the value in which we bestow in our children is somewhat the same as when it comes to our dogs i'm not a dog owner now but i always was obviously i told you and deal with the pain of losing another animal again i can't hurt but instinct kicks in automatically you don't think think straight. If anything happens, you just react. So I understand the sentiment on why she did what she did. But again, I'm thinking about your life, mama. Yeah.

I'm thinking about your life. You don't even think about it, Ojo. Just like that lady ran out the house and pushed that bear that was trying to get her dog. You remember? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't even think. That's just instinct.

Right, right. You trying to hurt the dog, boom remember? You don't even think. That's just instinct. Right, right. You trying to hurt the dog, boom, I'm gone. Yeah. I've seen, like, other countries that this man, what we talked about

on the show, I think it was a, what was it? A python. But anyway, he had gotten the house and had the cat. That man got up,

took the cat. Yeah, man. Hey, people hurt you about their dog man yeah they have people that like that's a pet it's really not they don't look at the dog like a dog it's a pet and it's almost like a child because studies show that when people lose an animal they grieve as if they lost a loved one yeah yeah same exact same and that's why i can't have another dog i refuse i refuse you had me crying early one early episodes when we first started you had me literally sitting here crying just hearing the story about your dog so if i'm crying about a dog that i didn't even

own and all you're doing telling a story about losing them, imagine how I felt when I lost mine when I was growing up. Oh, because you remember, who was that? Lady Gaga. Somebody kidnapped somebody like, yeah. That was on the news. Yeah, her sister, Dog Walker, and took like

two or three fridge boots. They shot the Dog walker and took her two French bulldogs. Wait, she got those dogs back though, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Yeah. They said it was an inside job. The lady that

brought them back for the reward was a part of the crew that kidnapped the dogs. Dumb-dumbs. Trying to get the money. That should have been a dumb-dumb of the week, the day award. But I'm not surprised the lady reacted

like she did. That's why I don't really take my... I used to take my dogs when I had the big dog in the car with them. Because ain't nobody going to approach the car with the big dog. Now I don't have the big. I leave them at home because ain't no sense. I'm not going to entice someone to break my windows and take the dog oh I don't have

Frenchies and that seems to be the number one theft small dogs but Frenchies are the number one because people are playing upwards of twenty thousand twenty five thousand dollars for those dogs and listen man I still don't see I don't see how y'all do it yeah I don't see how they do it I understand the importance of dogs. I'm not sure what warrants them to be such a high price, you know, but that's, that's, everybody has their thing. I have, I have nothing against it.

You just know how I am when it comes to spending, especially abnormal amounts of money like that. Yeah. No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't fit. What's the most you spend for a dog me yeah man I think man listen

I'm not even gonna say I bought my my daughter my oldest she might be watching shot 8 I bought her a a Yorkie years ago

from a homeboy we call it we call him boo boo I bought bought a Yorkie I don't know where he stole it from I got her a 200 yeah I got her for $200.

Yeah. I got it for $200. Goddamn good. That dog probably meow. Huh? That dog probably meow. Nah, he bark a lot. Look, not a miniature, not a teacup Yorkie.

Just, you know, regular size Yorkie. Yeah, yeah. For $200. Yeah, I wasn't paying no $5. $5 who? Man, you know, I got people. I got boosters, all that. Especially during the holiday. If you need something, let me know. I got people to hook you up200. Yeah, I wasn't paying no $5. $5 who? Man, you know, I got people. I got boosters, all that, especially during the holiday. If you need something, let me know.

I got people to hook you up now. Yeah. A man robbed a bank for $1 to intentionally be arrested to receive free medical care in prison. A North Carolina man named James Verone, 59, lost both of his jobs and his health insurance. Verone went to his neighborhood bank and gave the cashier a note requesting $1. I'll be sitting right over there in the chair waiting for the police.

He informed her and he carried out his word. He later came clean about robbing the bank in order to receive free medical care while in prison. Barone has been receiving medical care while in jail since his arrest. He was disappointed to hear that he will only spend 12 months in prison because he had hoped to get a three-year sentence, which would give him more time to heal from his illness. That's bad, Ocho.

That's very bad. That's bad. That's sad. That's very bad and that's very sad. Who's responsible for that? Government? I don't know. I don't know, Ocho, if he's... This is how I am.

If you served in the military, you should never, ever have to worry about medical or getting a job. Whatever you come back, whatever you're qualified to do, you're going to get a job. Right. Somebody going to give you a job. We're going to make sure of that.

Because if you go put your life on the line, domestically or foreign, you deserve, that's what we, we as citizens of America and the government, that's the least we could do for the service

that you provided this country. But listen, our healthcare system is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it's been that way for a very long time. It's been that way for a very long time. It's been this way for a very long time.

The fact that someone would rather risk their freedom in understanding that I can get the help and the work that I need and the medicine I need inside incarcerated so I'd rather go to jail just so I can get what I need to get back healthy. And then you're mad you're only in jail for 12 months?

But you prefer three years because you know you can get the health care that you need? Come on, man. That's the system. The system is messed up for somebody to want to do that. Right. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but

ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there. And if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. No one was let go. It arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General...

I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. to hear the whole story listen to fiasco iran contra on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts oh joe there was an american there was an American Airlines flight.

Yeah. That it was delayed or diverted. It was delayed so the passenger could be removed because of excessive flatulence. I told you. You were passing gas? Yes.

And they had to get him up off there. And you think i'm gonna let somebody do that in my house oh yeah but that's that's that's different though stay there light a candle go over the toilet light it and flush don't let it go down and light a candle don't you bring your no no sirree. Yeah, that, is it, that's real? Yes! How can someone pass gas that much on a flight where they

have to take the person off the goddamn flight? Yeah. Like, what did you eat? I don't know what it is. What's in your, what's in your body? They said, nah, you gotta get up off here, bro. That's crazy when you even think about it. But, um, you got, you got to, you got to get past off here, bro. That's crazy when you even think about it. But you got to. You got to get past that.

I ain't going to do it. If you have a partner, you can't have your partner stomach hurting because she's scared to pass gas around you. You can't do that. Well, I ain't going to have my stomach hurting smelling it. So I guess one person can have a stomachache. It ain't going to be me. One thing about it, when you in love, when you in love,

when you're in love, all the things and rules you have go out the window. They go out the door. No, they don't. I know who you... Listen. You bust tail in my house, you going out the window.

You ain't going to do that. You ain't going to do that. Hey, I'm going to get you a coat, get you a purse, and say, to get you, get you a coat, get you a purse, and say, okay, you can be, you can be excused.

I know, I know who you want, I know who you need. Hey, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, don't do that, don't do that. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't going to do that.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I mean, she might be the one. She funny too. You know, you know, I know,

I know you like comedians. Oh yeah, I like funny. I like funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, just funny too now. Nah, man, there you like comedians. Oh, yeah, I like funny. I like funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jess, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jess, Jess funny too now. Nah, man, there you go, man. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, look at me. Don't you got a boyfriend? Look at the ass.

She ain't got no boyfriend. She got a boyfriend. She got a boyfriend. No, she don't. No, she don't. No, she don't. No, she don't. No, she don't.

Jess probably watching. Jess, I know you watching. You ain't got no dude. Jess, she probably watching with her man. Who? Who her man is? I don't. Jess, you probably watching with her man. Who? Who her man is? I don't know what her name is. Who her man is?

Ash, better tell me. What's his name, Ash? Ash, look at the right now. Yeah, see, if it ain't pop up like that, nope, that ain't him. It shouldn't take that long. Yeah, and plus, Country Wayne was on my podcast.

What'd that mean? I can't back-do that man. He ain't back-do. Country, and plus Country Wayne was on my podcast. What that mean? I can't back-do that man. He ain't back-do. Country, he moved on with his life. He got somebody new. Nah. He got somebody new. Listen, don't miss your blessing. Don't miss your blessing, now. Worry about what happened in the past. Don't nobody care about the past.

Don't nobody care about the past. Jess is available. And if Ash is still looking for... She ain't available. If Ash is still looking for a name I ain't available you're available I'm gonna make sure I hook it up Jess I know you're gonna see this unkinda shy

unkinda shy but we gonna work with him you can't find his name what is it I know somebody in the chat know who in the chat know You can't find his name? What is it? What is it? I know somebody in the chat know. Who in the chat know? I know y'all know everything, chat. They don't know.

Huh? Oh, there's somebody that's been nasty available. Hey, hey, hey, hey. You're scared of that, boy. You're scared of that. Hey, listen. Can you swim?

Yeah, man. Backstroke all day. Nah, you ain't ready for that, boy. You scared of that. No, no, no, no, no. Hey, listen. Can you swim? Yeah, man. Backstroke all day. Nah, you ain't ready for that, boy. You ain't ready for that. You about... Hey, you gonna need... Nah, you need some scuba gear. You need some scuba gear

from Miss Nasty, boy. Hey, that's a whole different level. You hear me? Huh? That's a different level, boy. Yeah, it is. It is also. Yeah, you ain't ready for that, boy.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I get nervous. I just went to the dive, Sean. I got me a scuba suit. You do? I got me a scuba suit and a snorkel. Okay.

I'm ready. Hey. You ain't ready for that, boy. You ain't ready for that boy You ain't ready for that What I do What I do And you ain't ready for that boy It's alright You got a scuba suit

And a snorkel Yeah yeah You don't need no You don't need no snorkel But you better be ready To deep dive You better be ready To deep dive

And no snorkel Yeah Make sure you got some oxygen I can pre-dive I can pre-dive About 100 feet I can pre-dive up to about 100 feet. I pre-dive up to 100 feet.

Well, you like that? Yeah, I'm bad. Yeah, that's what they told me. They told me you was like that too when you were younger. Slow my heart rate down. I already got a rest of the heartbeat about 50 beats, 50, 52 beats a minute. Slow that thing down to the faultest. Right.

Yeah, but you's a professional. I thought you knew. You knew that, but you's a professional. I thought you knew. You knew that, too. You's a professional. Oh, you know that? Hey, I already know when they see you boy coming in that room, would I do that right now? It's all cracking. It's all cracking. Okay.

Don't forget that diamond there. Yep. Them C-tabs. See them C-Tabs They stay in your system Three days But But you Now you know all

You know all the little stuff Three days The C-Tab Three days I think they spell it C-I-A L-I-S C-Tab

Let me Hold on Let me write that down real quick Hold on Ooh C-Tab Let me write that down real quick. Hold on. Ooh. C-Tab. Where I get C-Tabs at?

Oh. Yeah, she dating Aaron Johnson, an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. A who? An entrepreneur. She dating an entrepreneur. Entrepreneur. A who? An entrepreneur. She dating an entrepreneur? Yep. Man, we'll beat that.

We'll beat that. We'll beat him up, man. We'll beat him up. Nah, we're going to do that. Ocho, them C-Tabs, they yelling. Tell me where to get them. Where to get them at?

Drugs, though. Or call HIMS. Wait, how much they cost? Hey, HIMS, y'all need to promote. Y'all need to sponsor me and Ocho we do ad reads and everything how much they cost I don't know how much they cost

chat how much is C-Tab you can get it you want the real ones or you want the generic cause they gonna try to give you the generics right how much is generic the generic is a little cheaper but they give you the same thing right Generics. Right. How much is generic? Generics is a little cheaper. But it gives you to say, do the same thing, right?

She say, oh, she say, you could take that C, you could take the C tabs, five milligrams once a day. I don't know,

but I heard that's what you could do. I was reading that on the internet. You know, I go on the internet. Right, right, right. It sounds like you're talking from experience. No, I don't got no experience, Ocho.

But I'm just saying, you can take five milligrams daily. And so it's in your system. Okay, how much? I need a price. And the thing is, Ocho, you eat all you want to. You don't have no, because a lot of times, you know, but see, what you could do, I heard what you could do is take your little baby aspirin with it.

It thin your blood. It would shoot right to the top. Well, you sound like a professor. There you are. Hey, you're more of a street farmer. You know, I dibble and dabble and see what the cops should work. You know, I be in the lab cooking it up. Right, right, right.

In order to know the stuff you're talking about, you have to actually take it so you can be able to explain how it works. No, no, no, no, no. I heard. You know, I'd be in these chats.

These chats be talking about it. Right, right. Well, the chat ain't told me how much it costs yet. How much it costs? Oh, I think somebody said like four generics or 45. 45? $45. $45?

$45. That ain't bad. I can work with that. That ain't bad. Do you know they got five, 10, and 20. Yeah, five millimeter. That's all I need.

That's the daily. You take that daily. But that old big boy, that old big boy, we want to draw that hammer. Yeah. We want to be Thor. We want to be Thor. We want to be Thor for a night.

Yeah. And hit that thing in the earth shape. You know what? I'm going to wait till Valentine's. I'm with you. Hey, you put that 20 milligram. Valentine's will turn into St. Patrick's Day. That's how long it will last for you.

Hey, listen. When I'm done, she's going to be green. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I like, when I'm done, she's going to be green. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I like that. I'm like, hold on. Gordon and Claus

is looking up on the bed. Who in here helping you do all that? Baby, it's just me. It's just me. Ain't nobody here. Not just me. It's got to be

two or three of y'all up here doing it. Because there ain't no way no one man did that. Not for no hour and 30. God damn. Hour and 30? Huh?

An hour and 30? I told you, Ocho. An hour and 30? You put that 20, get that ass within your system with that 20. Yeah. But you need an ice pack to bring him down. You know what I'm saying? You aspirin in your system With that 20 Yeah But you need an ice pack To bring him down You know what I'm saying

You have swelling in your ankle You have a sprained ankle Right, right, right, right, right And you better put that ice pack on him Yeah, I ain't never done like that I ain't never done that And listen Listen

What I 20 minutes I give you 20 minutes And two minute intervals With a break in between That's it I give you I give you 20 minutes. I give you 20 minutes and two minute intervals with a break in between. That's it. I give you 20 minutes and two minute intervals

at 90 miles an hour. In 20 minute intervals. But listen, 90 miles an hour in a car. God dang. Run into a wall, it does damage. Yeah.

20 minutes, two minute intervals at 90 miles an hour. That's all I got for you. That's all you, 2 minute intervals at 90 miles an hour, that's all I got for you. That's enough. That's all I got for you. All that extra shit, I ain't got nothing to prove. I'm 56. I'm a sniper. I'm trying to get in, I'm trying

to get out. Ocho, I'm a sniper. I got one bullet. Yes, sir. And I don't miss. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, I don't miss either. You see how many kids I got? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Shit. Oh, shit. Yeah. One minute. Them yellow, them C-tabs? Yeah. I'm going to do my homework on the C-tab now.

I'm going to see if I can get them a little cheaper. Like I said, that five milligram, you can take them daily. That's what I heard you can't. I don't know. I'm going to do my homework on the C-Tab now. I'm going to see if I can get them a little cheaper. Like I said, that five milligram, you can take them daily. That's what I heard, you kid. I don't know. I'm going to work on it. I'm going to work on it. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I came.

You got on the plane. That man knew his stomach was hurting. He got on the plane dropping them like that. At least I hope it. You know what happened to him? What? He done ate something. He ain't had no business eating

and didn't realize it was going to have that type of effect on his stomach and got them bowels moving on him. Yeah, the thing just bubbled. Yeah. Yeah.

But the fact that it was that bad where they had to remove you from a plane lets you know it was... How embarrassing must that be? Very. Very.

Very. Because you know some of the person sitting next to him that be? Very. Very. Very, because you know some of the person sitting next to him had to snitch. Yeah. The person sitting next to him had to snitch. Man, I would say, get your, man, Ocho, now that you say that, Ocho, man, I got so mad, I mean, I laughed, but I was mad.

Right. Man, you know, I called this place, and I had a take out so the guy was sitting at the bar and I walk up after a while I smell something

right right right he look at me was that you or me I say I say it was you he talk about I thought so

but I wasn't sure I say man you nasty he go how you a grown man yes he gonna look at me talk about was that me or you How you? A grown man? Yes.

He gonna look at me and talk about, was that me or you? I say, man, that was you. He say, I thought so, but I wasn't sure. Man, that's something. How you not sure? My little kids do that, man. My little kids be doing that, man. Ain't no grown man doing that, playing like that.

Come on, now. He tripping. Man, and on the elevator. Now, on now He tripping Man And on the elevator Now you know you can't do it on the elevator Cause just your look You do that on the elevator The elevator gonna stop on the next floor Who you gonna blame it on

You on the elevator by yourself And that smell You know that smell linger now Damn That thing gonna stay for a little bit About two or three floors I mean that thing be having Michael Jordan hang times. Well, that thing up there for at least five, six seconds.

Man, please. Hey, y'all. Man, they be playing too much. Man, people play too much in public. I don't play like that. Right, right. You right. You right.

Jalen Dorsey said, Oh, it's my 23rd birthday, December 30th. My girlfriend got me tickets to the NBA All-Star game. We planned a big trip because I'm from Georgia too. Man, I've been on them diamonds since. Oh, Cho, also, using my

whipped cream and cherry, but I add the sprinkles. Ooh. Y'all do it too much. Y'all do it too much. Hey, them sprinkles, that's a nice touch. I just don't like the sprinkles

because they get caught in between the teeth and it mess up the rhythm of where you trying to get to. Hold on, let me ask you this. Is that something that you do at a hotel? Because you're not finna mess up

my bed with that bull jive. Ooh. Oh, nah, listen. The whipped cream and the chocolate and all that kind of stuff. Oh, I ain't even tell you. The baby oil too? No, you go to Target. You go to Target. You buy a shower curtain. Buy a small. You ain't gotta get a big shower curtain. Get a shower

curtain. Lay it over the bed. Lay it over the bed. Take the baby oil. Put the baby oil all over the shower curtain. Yeah, yeah. You feel me? Yeah. I'm feeling what you're putting down.

What I do, I take towels and I put towels around the edge of the shower curtain so it can't seep onto the bed, onto the mattress. Because I got a good comforter. I ain't wasting my money and buying a new comforter. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got them $1,200 count sheets. Now you know what I'm talking about. Boom, after that, boom, I get

Mo Lady. Take all that shit off. Baby oil everywhere. You get to work. Slip and slide. Whipped cream. Boom. Bend that over. Whipped cream. Cherry. You know, and you play. I don't like to be slide. I like to have shoes on. I like traction. spin that over whipped cream cherry you know

and you know you play I like to be slide I got I like to have shoes on I like traction yeah yeah you

no you can't you can't have no traction can't have no shoes on no you don't need no shoes on for this cause even if you even if you're in the band you know I got a sleigh band

I got a sleigh band you know I like to have a sleigh band I need traction right okay you know I be you know I be I be like this right yeah yeah I need traction. Right. Okay, I see what you mean. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? I be, you know,

I'm saying, Ocho, I be like this here. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I'm in the starting block. I'm like, you say, boom, bam. Right.

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I see where you're going. Yeah, I see what you're doing. You see what I'm saying? You need leverage. Yes. You need leverage. Yes, that's what I'm talking about, Ocho.

That's what I'm talking. Right, right, right, right. Well, see, the way I was blessed from the man upstairs, leverage wasn't really a part of my repertoire. So I'm able to work from all type of angles and all type of different circumferences. Yeah, yeah. That don't even make no sense,

but you see what I'm putting down. Yeah, I see where you're going, Ocho. Yeah, I see where you're going. Just pick it up now. That's all I need. Just pick it up. Yeah, I need traction. So, you know, when you put him in the slingshot, you put him in that slingshot. Yeah, that slings going, Ocho. Yeah, I see where you're going. Just pick it up now. That's all I need. Just pick it up. I need traction. So, you know, when you put him in the slingshot,

you put him in that slingshot. Yeah, that slingshot, Ocho. Yeah. Oh, no. It can't nobody move. Ain't nobody moving with me. I'm with you when you're right. Yeah, I'm with you when you're right.

Hey, I'm doing worldwide slingshot. Man, Ocho, that's not wrong with you, Ojo. I'm just telling you my life stories and my life experiences. It worked for me. It don't work for everybody, but it worked for me. Ablab Studios. Vic Elite, Warren Moon Elite, Marino Elite. Only one Super Bowl appearance among

them. Marino, league MVP, 5,000 yards in the 80s, that's unheard of. Nobody else even came close to that. 48 touchdowns passing. Look at his body of work.

Look at Marino. Look at Moon. How many Pro Bowls? Marino. How many Pro Bowls? Marino, how many Pro Bowls? How many times did they lead their team to the playoffs? There's more into it. See, y'all just look at, okay, Super Bowl. But that's not the only measure. You can still be great and not win the Super Bowl. Super Bowl, yeah.

But we're talking about great tits. That EST is what separates. Great tits. You can be great in a sport without winning a championship. But I believe for you to be in the discussion, EST. Now, look. I mean, many people say Barry Bonds is the greatest baseball player they ever saw. Because he would see one pitch a night and he would hit it hard.

And generally, it was going out of the park. Yeah. Seven MVPs, batting average. I mean, he was sitting 360, I think, towards the end of his career. To each his own. I mean, people say, you know, there was enhancements that were involved. But I think Barry Bonds was a Hall of Famer before he even stepped foot because three MVPs in Pittsburgh, the Silver Sluggers, the Gold Gloves. But that's another story.

We'll talk about that later. Dan Boring said, why do people claim the league is rigged? It's just upset sports better than fans of losing teams. Are there any actual arguments in favor claim the league is rigged it's just upset sports better than fans of losing teams are there any actual arguments in favor of the league being rigged no like you said there's people oh Taylor Swift showed up

oh the league Kansas City getting all the calls can't rig that can't rig it it's impossible it's too many moving parts for it to be rigged too many moving parts so all in the soil top three football players

I've ever seen the game give their all crap without reproach As a maniac Tom Brady Ray Lewis And Shadow Sharp These three Did not cheat

The game In preparation Execution Of sacrifice Whoa whoa Ocho The hell Ocho you already said

That's not what you did Cause you didn't eat The way you were supposed to That's a part of it What You didn't eat The way you were supposed to That's a part of it

There's no rules That say you have to Eat certain things There ain't no rules that say you have to eat certain things. There ain't no rules that say you got to train either. Ain't no rules. But I trained. Okay, then. I ain't right.

No, you didn't. Well, I'm in the list anyway. I'm putting myself in there. All in the soil. Thank you so much. Look, I've been around. Look, I can just imagine because I know what it takes to reach a certain level of greatness. When you reach the level that Tom Brady has reached, I understand you have to go above and beyond.

And so I have the utmost respect. I was around Ray earning his career, offered him a little advice, some insight. I take no credit for what Ray was able to do. I just told him how I thought he should train and the approach he should take and some of his preparation. But he was always unbelievably immensely talented. He was a sponge. He wanted to learn. He wanted to know. And so

it was a privilege for me just to be around a young Ray and to see the maturation, to see when I first met him how he was, to see after I retired from the game and to see what he had become, I definitely felt like a big brother.

Seeing my little brother grow up and I was so proud of what he was able to become. But all in the soil, I appreciate that. Campaign Thomas, my fiance and I have an amazing relationship. Surprisingly, a major point of contention has been my lack of social skills. I grew up. I grew out of my speech impediment, but it caused me to be shy. Any advice?

I was really never shy. I'm kind of an introvert. I don't really go a whole lot of places. I kind of like to myself, but I don't really go a whole lot of places. I kind of like to myself, but I don't really. I get it. I get what he's saying, because early on he had a speech impediment. He didn't want people to know that he had it so he wouldn't say anything. Right.

And so even though he's he's out of that, he's grown out of that. He still feels that. That the anxiety being around people and having to talk to people. he's out of that, he's grown out of that, he still feels that anxiety being around people and having to talk to people. And the only way that you can get out of it is to do it. You got to talk. Go somewhere. I mean, you can't

be around family because that's obviously. But when you go to events with your wife, excuse me, your fiance, just strike up a conversation. Talk about something that you like talking about, that you feel comfortable talking about, and then gradually branch out. Me, I feel like I walk in any room and hold a conversation. Obviously, people want to talk about sports when they see me. But we talk about a lot of things when I go places or I meet people.

And so I think that's the biggest thing that you have to do is that you just have to find something that you're comfortable talking about first and then branch out from there. But congratulations to your fiance. Seems like you're the introvert and she's the extrovert.

She's kind of outgoing and he's kind of introverted. But that works. That works. For them. I like that. I talk too damn much. I talk to every goddamn body.

That's my problem. I know you do. You do. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy asks, Hey Uncle Joe, which is easier, asking for help or asking for forgiveness? Probably help. Probably help.

I'd assume. I haven't been in a situation or in circumstances where I actually need to ask for help, but I think asking for help... Oh, I ask for help easy. Yeah. I go in the store right now. Excuse me, can you tell me where the such and such is located? I don't be looking. I walk

straight in the store. Hey, I don't even look. I walk into CVS. I walk into Target. Can you tell me where the such and such is located? I think she's talking about help on a much grander scale than just what story. Oh, you're talking about like, like, like, like,

if I got some... No, I'm not. No. I ain't on that. First of all, I'm not going to ask certain people for it. I'm not going to ask...

Like... It all depends. Who am I asking? My brother, my sister? Because I don't trust a whole lot of people with information. I'm talking about the type of help

where you have to put your pride and your ego aside. that kind of help. So whatever it may be. No, people talk too much. So then it's easy for you to ask for forgiveness then, basically. I ain't got no problem with that. If I'm wrong, I'm saying I'm man enough to say I'm wrong. Yeah.

No, some people forget, but they never forget. No, you don't. I mean, yeah. Some people forget, but they never forget. But, you don't. I mean, yeah. Some people forget, but they never forget. Now, and how you forget what you do. Oh, they never if they never forget things, it never be the same. Oh, Joe, tell me how you forget something that's happened to you. You can't.

You can't. You move on. It's just like when people ask me, well with shannon how do you get over the passing of your grandmother because i understood i know you close i say you don't get over it you just get better at dealing with it as time passes and so maybe the person gets better at dealing whatever they forgave you for but they're not forgetting it if there was infidelity or if there was a dui if there was a DUI, if there was something where the trust was broken,

you don't forget that. Yeah, that's another tough one. The branch off of when we talk about trust. Yeah. With humans, right? And I always sit back and I think about this.

When I think about humans in general, human error is inevitable. Right. Human error is inevitable. So at some point, what I've learned to do throughout my life and I've gotten really good at this, I've learned to manage my expectations with others. Because at times you expect you from others when they're nothing like you. When it comes to romantic relationships, when it comes to partners that you're with, you're expecting a certain level of loyalty, of trust. And at times that trust can be broken because human error is inevitable. We try to achieve perfection in all that we do. But is it honestly possible when when you think about it, in hindsight, is it honestly possible to be perfect for a long extended period of time?

Is it possible? Think about it. Is it possible? I'm with you, and I'm never gonna fuck up ever a day in life you can't say never because never in confidence

is not in front of no logically think about that yeah because you have to live one day at a time because each day brings a new set of

a new set of trials and circumstances and so I don't know what tomorrow's gonna hold all I All I can say is, babe, I'm going to try to be the best I possibly can be today. Now, I can't promise you tomorrow. Right. I've always thought about that. I always thought about that because I hear people all the time. Tomorrow is a mystery. Yesterday is history. I live in today. I always hear people talk about that.

Oh, trust is broken. Oh, well, he did this to me or, oh, she did this to me. You got to learn to manage your expectations. Yeah. Manage your expectations and understand human nature. Understand human nature and human error is inevitable no matter who you are yes casey taylor onginocho and anybody in the chat i can use some prayers i'm 26 year old male and i recently and recently doctors have found a very uncommon mass around my pulmonary artery i've i've smoked i've never smoked or vaped in my life casey we are praying for you we're pulling for you um just know that god is with you every step of the way and this is something this is a small setback for a major comeback oh yeah um

i believe in you stay positive and i know i know sometimes when situation when it seems the darkest but that's when the light is on the horizon. So Casey, myself, Ocho, and this entire chat, sending out thoughts and prayers, and hopefully you're better soon. Come back. We'll be looking to hear from you again and tell us everything's okay. Yes, sir. Laney Ray, Shannon, and Chad, what is on your personal and professional bucket list? My professional bucket list is to get on Goddamn First Take.

My bucket list is don't kick it. That was on my bucket list. You all know my first take. I'm trying not to kick it. My professional bucket list. Go to Wimbledon. Ah, you're like, in the Olympics.

Uh, what else have I wanted to do? Huh? We could do both this summer. Uh, let me think let me think what else Wimbledon the Olympics you know what wow man

I might as well go see go to Monte Carlo is it Monaco Monaco Monaco F1 yeah why you traveling like that you need to go catch you a soccer game. Experience what it's like. Even though you don't understand the game,

once you experience it, then you'll get a better understanding and then I'll explain the game to you. You know who this is? You know who I got on? You know this jersey? Turner, Raleigh, Mizzou. One of the greatest players of all time.

Chat, what y'all know about this? You know who that is? The El Piero. Hey, one of the greatest of all time. Personal bucket list. My personal bucket list? I'm glad you said that. It's still the only thing I haven't done.

You know, I've done some crazy stuff in my lifetime. I am going to swim with killer whales in the wild in Norway or New Zealand. That did that. I'm checking that off my bucket list at some point in 2024. Swimming in the wild

with killer whales. I got to go to Africa. Beautiful. Beautiful. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. You're going to love it. All right, Ocho. I got a drunk bottle of water.

You got to take over the chat. All right. Yeah, listen. Yeah, my bucket list. I want to swim with killer whales in a while. Those of you that follow me, those of you that don't,

I have a huge fascination with killer whales. My right, the right side, from my waist to my leg to my ankle, I have killer whales tattooed all the way down. I love them. I love them. And if I were to go, if I were to die, God forbid, that would be a way I would want to go out. Obviously, they don't attack humans in the wild. People are like, oh, killer whales, they crazy. All they do is kill, but there have been no attacks in the wild, only in captivity for specific reasons. Obviously they're held captive. Uh, you would go crazy too. If you were floating around in a, in a,

in a small sea pen, uh, that's not very deep, But that is my bucket list, my personal bucket list. Obviously, my professional bucket list is I want to be on first take. I want to go on first take, and I want to debate with Hunk and Stephen A. Smith, and I'd probably win. I'd probably win, and I'm going to have some good takes some harsh takes and I will be critical and analytical and a little analytical of players like I need to be you know just I just got to be in the right setting that's pretty much it so chat what's your professional bucket list and what is your personal bucket list? I can see the chat, so I can see your answers.

I'm listening. Okay. Cool. I like that. Hold on. Let me look at the chat so I can answer, so I can talk to people. How do you move this thing? Hey, I'm trying to get my chat up.

I'm trying to see the chat. Man, did you wash your hands? Of course. You came back too damn fast. Man, I've been gone 20 minutes. I can't even get my chat up so I can see what the people saying. They're saying you pull a cock off.

That's what I feel on my end. Oh, there you go I like that poll Who put it in that poll Will Ocho be critical on first take I don't have I wouldn't have no choice Nah you got a choice You ain't got no choice over here

But you do it Listen let me say something. You put me on TV in that setting. You were on TV. Listen to me. Let me finish. You put me in that setting with you and Stephen A. And I got the rise of the occasion and flip the coin and be like on par with y'all,

well, you're going to see another side come out. You're going to see another side come out. I know I play around a lot. I know I make jokes a lot. I know you know I be playing around about coming on first take. I'm not really pressing the issue. I just like the running joke of asking. But I'm just saying if the opportunity presented itself,

well, you're going to see a whole another person. You're going to see a whole another side. You're going to see a whole another side. I see you right now. Huh? No, I'm just telling you. I know I play around a lot. I'm just saying I change and I adapt to my surroundings. And in that position, I would have no choice but to be someone that we're not used to seeing.

That's all I'm saying. Angie Wright says, I want you seeing. That's all I'm saying. Angie Wright says, I want you sharp. That's so Angie. Hold on, Angie. Don't have Jess jump on you now. Mashburn says, Uncle Nocho, you'll send us to death, but you get one meal

of your choosing before death. What you eating? I ain't eating nothing. Y'all gonna kill me anyway. What the hell I want something to eat for? I'm getting my last meal, like the Green Mile. I want my salad. I want number one extra cheese with no onions, coconut ice, lightly salted fries, lightly salted fries fresh. Shoot.

Matter of fact, throwing a goddamn apple pie for me, too. Shoot, I'm finna go anyway. You know what, Ocho? Yeah. You know what I'm gonna do? Yes, sir. I'm gonna order shellfish. I'm allergic to shellfish. I'm gonna beat him to the punch.

I'm gonna kill my damn shell. That's what I'm gonna do. Gotcha. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Now, you know what, Ocho? I want ribs, fries, burger. Yeah.

How you going to eat all that, man? You can't go down. You can't die on a... Oh, I know what I want. Oxtails. I want some oxtails Over some rice White rice Oxtail over some rice

I want some smothered pork chops Smothered fried chicken That's too much man You can't eat all that and ginger ale yeah ginger ale yep that's my dream and I want a shot I want two shots

of La Portia I like it I like it I like it I'm waiting I'm waiting on my I'm waiting on my La Portia and like the Joker said in the Batman, go, go, go with a smile. So, that's me. That's what I want. Nikki Grant says,

hey guys, like how, like y'all, I was raised by my grandmother. I lost her in 2022. And I've been effing up, I've been effing up and feeling bad about it. This show and playing on on y'all has helped me so much what helped y'all cope with the loss of your grandmas to know that i had her for 43 years and she never left my side and although i know she's not here

uh in a present form in a body but but I know spiritually. And that's what I thought. And that's what was the hardest thing was to understand. Shannon, you had it for 43 years. 43. Some people didn't get an opportunity to have a grandmother that long, but I had it for 43 years. I slept in the same bed as my grandmother for 15 years. So, for me, everything that I did in high school, I really didn't hang out with Ocho. We'd play a game, and I'd come home

because my grandmother was gone. My brother was in college, my sister was a dating age, and she'd be out. I'm going home to see what's going on with Granny. And I went to Savannah State, and I could come home. I didn't come home that much, but I would just come home to check on her, make sure sometimes I come home,

Granny, you good? I sit around, talk to her for an hour or two, and I go back to school. And so I thought about, instead of thinking about I'm not going to have her anymore, I thought about all the times that I did have her in those 43 years. And I thought about all the times that we sat around and we talked and, you know, I was a baby, and all the times that I did have her in those 43 years. And I thought about all the times that we sat around and we talked and, you know, I was a baby.

And all the times that if I was sick, she would rub me and say, baby, it's going to be okay. I thought about that. So I didn't think about what I wasn't going to have anymore. I thought about all the 43 years that I did have. And like I tell you all the time, my brother can tell you, I can tell you everything my grandmother, my grandfather ever said. Mm hmm. I hung up. They didn't know this. But everything they said, I hung up. Yeah.

And so Michelle and Diggie had a cello song that is called Wasted Time and she's talking about you rarely notice that I I hang on everything that you say you rarely notice me take a listen to the song it's called Wasted Time

and my grandmother did not know my grandfather did not know everything that they said I was a sponge that's how you have to be careful with the way you talk around your kids or talk around young people that they said. I was a sponge. That's how you have to be careful with the way you talk around your kids or talk around young people. Because

they absorb it. They are a sponge. And I say that Michelle Indigo's cello is talking about she's wasting time wanting this person to notice her. There was no wasted time

with my grandmother because I knew from a very young age, I just knew how special my grandmother was. And all the smart talking I used to do, it was just like, you know what? It just dawned on me one day, I think I was about 10 or 11 years old. I just realized how special my grandmother was and how lucky I was. And I never gave any more problems. But how did you deal with the loss of your grandmother? I mean, obviously, I lost my grandmother in 2018. It was very difficult for me. Grandma raised me.

A lot of my core values that I do have today that she has instilled in me are still here. I am a product of her. Obviously, my drive, my willingness, and my want to be successful at any and everything that I touch. Again, remembering everything that she told me. Now, I can't remember some of the things them but uh the way i am with money uh my my financial consciousness and uh and not not spinning um being very um being very detailed in all that i do as well being very detailed man that was that was very difficult just remembering the good times remembering the good the good times, one of the things that kind of hold me over.

That's how you got to do it, Ocho. Remembering the good times, one of the things that hold me over. But again, even with losing my grandma in 2018, losing my mom in 2021, one of the things still to this day, and I've talked to you about it before, it bothers me a lot it bothers me a lot as is to to deal with with you guys all these years deal with my mom deal with my grandma and for all we've been through the ups and downs and for you guys to transition and to transition and then I get I didn't even get to say goodbye to neither one I Didn't get to say goodbye to either one and to get no sign

No, nothing like anything. Let me know that you okay Just something anything out the ordinary because my routine and life has never changed. It's never changed. It's very simple. So if there was any type of sign or any type of inclination that it could be you, I would know. I would see it. I would witness it. And the fact that I've got nothing all these years,

that just doesn't sit right with me. And it makes me question everything that they talk about in church as far as when you transition in the afterlife yeah going to heaven because if you love me like you say you did all the years and saying it repeatedly every day never miss the day like where's the love now they did it they're just not here physically to show it to you but they have never left your Ah, again, and that's where the sign comes in at. It don't have to be much.

It could be big. Maybe you haven't noticed it. Rail your sign. They knew what you needed. You didn't. Parents can see things grandmothers can see things that and know things moms my grandmother raised me so she was around me uh more than my mom she could sense things see things know when i was upset know when something was on or knowing something was bothering me.

It's, yeah. Yeah. It's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Chad says, I'm two million away from passing Joe Rogan's number. You guys, like I said, it's, I still, I mean, people, Ocho, the question that I get asked more than anything, did I know Cat Williams' number, Cat Williams was going to do this number?

How could I possibly know, Ocho? How could I possibly know? That's like saying, you asked Tom Brady, Dad, or did you know your son? You know, Tommy was going to be this. But you asked my home, dad, you know, you're going to be. How could you how could I possibly know? It's not like they're like 50 million interviews, like 50 million views, interviews just floating around on YouTube. Right. And you two. I don't know how long you two have been around. Like 10 years. Fifteen. Right. And YouTube, I don't know how long YouTube's been around. Like, 10 years?

15? Oh, man. Ooh, that, that, 19 years, almost 20 years.

So, no, I did not, I did not, I did not know, I did not know, I did not know. I couldn't possibly know. What we do, the team, we do a greater job of researching,

trying to ask questions that the fan would want to know. Hopefully they share things with us they haven't shared with anyone else or they haven't shared them in a very long time. I try to be as relatable. I try to make them feel as comfortable as I possibly can. And they open up. But I could not have possibly known that this thing would do

50... We're at 55 million views, Ocho. That's a lot. 55 million views. There's a chance in a month... What? The 3rd? We released it on the 3rd. So February 3rd, there's a chance it a month uh what the third we released it on the third so february 3rd there's a chance it'll be at 57 million views how could i possibly have known no i didn't i'm not gonna sit here and lie oh i know we're gonna blow up the internet no i didn't but i thank all of you

for watching it i think of all of i thank all of you for supporting me like you have from when I was undisputed. And I remember when it was announced that I was leaving and you guys jumped on my timeline and said, hey, we falling up. Y'all didn't lie. Y'all been very, very supportive. And I can't thank you enough.

My family can't thank you enough. My team can't thank you enough. You guys have been great. You guys have been great. You guys have been great to Shannon Sharp and his family. Nightcap, Club Shea Shea. I mean, you know, Ocho, you know, sometimes, hey, if you ever need me, shit, don't call me. Man, but man, you know, but when they said, we falling up, we going with up.

Oh, yeah. They ain't lie. They coming. They did not lie. And so I appreciate you guys. And I appreciate you guys watching, Cat, because as great an interview as it was, it's because of you.

You guys watched it. And a lot of you guys watched it on multiple occasions. And a lot of you guys are still watching it. So from the bottom of my heart and my team, we thank you. Who is this? Breesh McKinley. Can you please shout out my fiance, Elijah Simmons?

He turned 35 today. We love the show and watch daily. Keep grinding, going hard. Okay, Breesh, thank you. Elijah. Breesh, want to wish you a happy birthday today. Happy 35th birthday. Congratulations.

Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Ebony Millie. happy 35th birthday congratulations happy birthday Ebony Millie please wish a happy 40th birthday to my amazing husband Irving he loves y'all show I love him love Miss Patterson

Ebony Ebony says happy birthday she wants to wish you a very happy 40th birthday great milestone thank you guys for the support thank you for watching Irving, Ebony says, happy birthday. She wants to wish you a very happy 40th birthday. Great milestone. Thank you guys for the support. Thank you for watching the show.

We greatly, greatly appreciate it. So Irving, this is from Unk and Ocho and Ebony. Happy 40th birthday. Aaron Owens, I'm keep going to shot, shooting my shot, Ocho. Be my narrator for my HBCU football documentary on Central State University. Central State? That's in Ohio. Big Easy went to Central State.

Vince Buck, I came out with a guy, me and VB, we played in the East-West Shrine game together. He went to Central State. Oh, Hugh Douglas. What up, Hugh? Hugh Douglas went to Central State. Oh, Hugh Douglas. What up, Hugh? Hugh Douglas went to Central State. Okay. Hugh was the defensive rookie of the year.

I think 96. So they had some players that come out of Central State. Mm-hmm. Marlon Spivey, I can note your advice for a bachelor party in Vegas. Bachelor party?

In Vegas. What? You asking for trouble. Listen, you saw the hangover, right? Yeah, I sure hope you got your wood under control because you'll be divorced before you get married. Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you have a bachelor party.

Yeah. Can you get one last romp in before you get married? Is that a forgivable or that's a deal breaker? The wife like, nah, bro. Nah, I can't have that. Shit, bro. You blew live for not to get married, boy. That get out, right? Yeah, man.

Because you're going to say, if I'd have went out right before we got married and you know, old boy hooked it up for me, how you going to feel? You know? Yeah. If you can't dish it,

if you can't take it, don't dish it. But see, here's the thing. I shouldn't say this because these women today, they different. When I was coming up, women didn't give you no hoo-ha

unless they had an emotional. I mean, it was hard for women to get off hoo-ha unless they had an emotional. I mean, it was hard for women to get off hoo-ha if they didn't feel something for you. Right. Now, hey, it is what it is. Hey, they think like a man.

They think like a man. Listen, you bag right, boy, you're going to take flight. I'm just telling you. Ain't no hee-haw. Ain't no plan. If your bag right, boy, it's going to take flight.

Every time. Every time. And the longer your money, those things going to get funny. Oh, man. Somebody said they made their husband wait a whole year. Before what? Before he got it.

Got who? Her. Shit. And she got a ring. Yeah, all right. I got a test drive. I call. I ain't no lemon. I got a test drive. That can't be no lemon.

Man, you know the lemon law. And you stuck with it sometimes. Yeah? And what do you... Boy. Boy, stop. Like big boys say, boy, stop.

You better than me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That definitely me. In today's time i get it like when my grandmother and and grandfather and my great yeah okay i get all that in today's time a year uh yeah i'm talking about an hour i got an hour for you we on the clock girl you know me 45 meters. Come on with it now. Yeah.

It becomes dangerous. Even if you have discipline. Even if you have discipline and you're a man of morals but core values, when you have options as plentiful as you do now,

it becomes difficult. not individual i'm saying when you're single and you got somebody talking about oh you got you got to wait a year i mean i got to wait a year for that and i can get it i can get it from over here for free and you think i'm going to play with you when yeah oh yeah okay all right i don't know right. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Yeah. Okay. I don't know about that. Yeah, but more power to it.

More power to it, baby. Congratulations. Congratulations on you on getting that ring. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Congrats. Hopefully. Matter of fact, let me know when the wedding is because I'm going to come crash that shit.

Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy asked, hey, Uncle Nocho, on average, how many pairs of sneakers do you buy a month? I ain't bought no sneakers in a long time. I don't buy no sneakers. I mean, I got like 600 pairs. Yeah. I bet y'all ain't gonna get these. I bet that. Nah. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Get them. Y'all don't know. Yeah. I bet y'all ain't gonna get them. I'm gonna help y'all out. I might. I'm gonna take off y'all don't know. Yeah, bitch, I ain't gonna get them. I'm gonna help y'all out. I might take off y'all. I know y'all won't get it with just one.

I'm gonna take the left one off. Look at that right there. Uh-huh. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. No, I don't really buy this. I don't buy sneakers.

I mean, I got like, I probably got... How many pairs of sneakers you think I got, A? I buy the same thing over and over. Air Force Ones. I get a crease, go get another pair. Ed says she think I got about 800 pairs of sneakers. Boy, you be spending that bag, boy. Well, you know, I used to be a Nike athlete.

Yo, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. But I hadn't been one in a while. Yeah, you hoarding shoes. Huh? Yeah, I do. I have rock and stock. So I have ones that I wear, and then a lot of them,

some really good ones that I've and then a lot of them, some of them, some, some really good ones that I've got duplicates. Hmm. Uh, soldier asked, have you ever been starstruck by someone famous? Yeah.

Michael Jordan. I told you, I saw him at the Superbowl in Atlanta. I got up to, you know, he got on the elevator. I got on the elevator with him. That's when he was with his first wife in 94.

I'll never forget it. I don't care what y'all say. That mofo was levitating. Yeah. Different. And everybody says the same thing. I don't care what y'all say. Y'all can't tell me

that man wasn't levitating. He didn't seem real. He's the only man that I've ever been around. And I've been around Denzel, Oprah, Sam Jackson, LeBron, Shaq, Kobe, rest his

soul. I've been around some of the greats. The near... Jay-Z, Drake. That man levitated. He levitated. that man levitate he levitate I can't explain it and I tried and when I try to explain it

it's almost blasphemous because what I'm comparing him to but if you've ever met him you'll know exactly what I'm talking about he doesn't he's the only man that I've ever met the only person if you've ever met him, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. He doesn't, he's the only man that I've ever met, the only person that I've ever met that didn't seem real. And I

know he a man because he talk and he walk, but you got, I can't explain it. But if you go and everybody that's ever met him explains him the exact same way.

For the most part, every athlete that's ever met Michael Jordan explains him the exact same way. He doesn't seem real. He levitates. I wish there was something I could tell you. That's the best way I can explain it.

And he's the only person I've been like, you know, hey, you know, now that I'm out here in LA, I see more fans. You know, I don't go out a whole lot. But when I go to events, you know, you see people. Mike, Mike's a different animal, man.

I wish you, that's the only way I can explain it, Ocho. that's the only way I can explain it Ocho that's the only way I can explain it and I just wish uh I never met Prince I had an opportunity to go see Prince his last concert he performed in Atlanta and you had to like have the ticket because they wouldn't let you they would he knew he was always uh his last couple of concerts they took control of that and so you had to go up there with the with your credit card and you could only get two and a guy i mean the ticket was like 200 bucks but he wanted like three thousand dollars a ticket for and i was like i can't pay that like he ended up passing like a week later damn so i didn't get a chance to see him

and I could have just imagined him probably well obviously Michael Jackson because hey the man come out on stage and people faint the mention of his name people would faint so I guess that's what it has to be like but Michael

Michael Jordan is just I can't explain it though Joe I can't I wish I could but I can't explain it, Ocho. I can't. I wish I could, but I can't do it justice. Yeah, I haven't met anybody like that yet. Obviously, I've met Mike before, met many of the A-listers, and I just haven't had that one person that was like I was in awe of. If there was one person that I've been've one been wanting to meet for so long is is Daniel Day-Lewis and if if the day I can cross paths with Daniel Day-Lewis who is very very

the likelihood of that happening is slim to none I lose my I lose my mind you been did that before you met him guys do me a favor make sure you hit that like button make sure you hit that subscribe button um thank you for joining us for another episode of nightcap i'm your favorite oh shannon sharp that's your favorite number 85 route runner extraordinairerunner Extraordinaire, Bengals Ring of Famer, Pro Bowler, All Pro, Bengals Legend, Chad Ochocinco Johnson.

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