Nightcap - Nightcap - Mahomes trolls Bills, Embiid drops 70, Trouble in Buffalo?

Episode Date: January 23, 2024

Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Joel Embiid scoring 70 points against the San Antonio Spurs, Patrick Mahomes trolling the Buffalo Bills on Instagram, discuss whether Josh Allen will ever make a Super Bowl, debate the Dallas Cowboys place on Complex's The Most Disappointing NFL Teams Since 2004 list, talk about Caitlin Clark's flop, Kevin Durant's GOAT case and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:00 - Joel Embiid drops 7022:00 - Mahomes trolls Bills27:00 - Trouble in Buffalo?39:00 - Josh Allen issues01:08:00 - Most disappointing NFL teams ever01:28:00 - Could Ocho play in the NBA?01:40:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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5 assists 24 of 41 from the field 21 of 23 he joined the likes of Wilt Chamberlain who had 100 Kobe Bryant had 81 Wilt had a bunch of 70 point games I won't mention anymore his 70 point game

but David Thompson had a 73 point game damn Wilt had another 72 point game Elgin Baylor David Robinson, Donovan Mitchell, Dame Lillard all had 71 points in the game Wilt Chamberlain, Devin Booker and now Joel Embiid joined those guys that have scored at

least 70 points in a ball game right now with about two two minutes and five seconds left in the game Carl Anthony Towns has 62 points so he's trying to get yes he's trying to get they're losing 126 to 121 um Charlotte has outscored them in the fourth by 20 points, 34 to 14. You're sitting courtside. You get an opportunity to witness history. Joel Embiid goes for 70 points. Tell me what's going through your mind and the atmosphere in the arena. Listen, the atmosphere is already crazy.

You already know how Philadelphia, I'm going to say Eagles fans, I'll just say Philly fans in general. I don't frequent basketball games much. It's something that I've really never gotten into. I can play it a little bit, but it's something I've never enjoyed going to or actually watching. What I witnessed tonight from the 76ers and Joel Embiid was not only history, but the atmosphere is unexplainable. It's one of those atmospheres you have to be present because anything I say right now here on this show, in the chat,

you won't understand unless you were able to witness it in person. Dog, that was so dope. That was so dope. For one, I got there late. My flight landed at 7.30. So I didn't get there till halftime.

When I got there at halftime, they say he had, what did he have at the half? 34. Yeah, 34 at the half. I'm like, wait a minute, how he got 34 at the half? I thought the Spurs had, you know, Wimba Miyama. He too belied the back pocket. Listen, I didn't understand that until the third quarter started. And then B got him down in the post, and he having his way.

He got him mid-range. He popping out at mid-range. He draining everything. Boom. Forget mid-range. Forget the post. Man, and B came back down. He setting up at the three.

He driving to the basket. Foul. Man, listen. Bruh was on fire, man. it got to a point the fans was chanting mvp mvp he was going to the line he was hitting everything though to see that in person and let me tell you um if i can get if i can get this type of atmosphere if i can get games like this where they got different play and dropping 70 60 points and the atmosphere look like that, I will attend more basketball games.

And let me, before I finish, I want to thank the Sixers. I want to thank the Sixers as an organization for allowing me to come and sit courtside. I appreciate you. I love you. And it was a great gesture in the fact that

he put up 70 in that atmosphere. It was a great game to attend. And because of that, because of tonight, I'm going to a heat game. I'm not sure what he plays going to do it, but I need I need a similar performance like this. Anything that resembles this, I'm going to heat game. Do you realize in the history of the NBA, the NBA is over 75 years old and there's only been 14 of those games, 70 points or more. So do you realize how infrequent

that actually happens? Very, very rare. Very rare, huh? So you were talking about you want to go to the game and you want that to happen. I mean, just something close to it, though.

You got to understand the atmosphere, man. The Philly fans were going crazy in that thing, man. Let me ask you a question. How many times you think a quarterback is thrown for 500 yards in a game? How many times have you ever witnessed that? 500?

I've probably seen it on TV. Exactly. Exactly. How many times do you think you saw a perfect game in baseball? Oh, like a no-hitter? A perfect game with no hits, no walks. Oh, that's very seldom, ain't it? That's not even happened?

Yes. Oh, man. I got it. Well, listen, this is one for the books for me. This is one for the books. And I'm excited like a little kid because, you know, I don't really watch basketball like that. So to actually go to a game and witness something like that, now I'm hyped and I'm expecting it all the time.

So I guarantee you what's going to happen. I'm going to look at the heat schedule, and I'm going to look at somewhat of an inferior opponent. And that's no disrespect to who they might play, but I'm sure Jimmy Butler, Bam, or one of them could, they might not get 70,

but give me 50. Give me 60. Just give me something close to what I was able to witness tonight, and that'll be fine with me. And I'm going to have to attend another basketball game ever again. Bro, that's like going to like,

as great as Usain Bolt was, he didn't break the world record every time he ran, no joke. Right. Yeah, but every time he ran, boy, it was something to look forward to, though. Yes! Every time he ran,

it was something to look forward to, though. So I'm sure there are NBA teams like that where every night somebody on that team is going to give you something that's like, come hell, high water, it's going to be a good game. No, you can expect a great performance. I mean, Kobe scored 81 one time. Now, that's not to diminish anything that he done. He put on great performances.

But you have to understand what you watch. If guys did that all the time, it wouldn't be special. If guys drop 70 out of the sky all the time, how special would 70 be? Right. Okay. I see you going. But tonight, that spoiled me, that. Yes! Because you witnessed it. You know

what's crazy, though? That's like, this is why, fellas, you got to be careful when you set a certain precedent, when you meet a woman and you do all that crazy stuff in the beginning, you know, whining and dining and five-star this and going to the Chanel store

and doing all that because what she's expecting, she's expecting you to keep out that same energy long-term where realistically it's damn near impossible because all you did

is you threw the bait out there just to reel in. So now they got me reeled in. So this is what I'm expecting from now on even though you're saying it's a rarity. So now they got me reeled in. So this is what I'm expecting from now on, even though you're saying it's a rarity. Oh, that's absolutely rarity.

70 plus year history. This is only the 14th time someone has scored at least 70 points in a ball game. I have a question. One, two, three, four, five. And five of those times

are by will. So when you take that out, so now there's only nine times if you take will out the equation, someone is scared to score it. At least go ahead. Okay. I have a question for you.

You know, the game of basketball way more than I do. So how many teams is it? How many teams in an NBA? 30. Yeah. All right. It's 30 teams.

Out of those 30 teams, give me, give me five players that have the ability to do this rarity on occasion. Just for me, just so I can get an idea. Well, Damon Lillard has 71. Donovan Mitchell has scored 71. Devin Booker has scored 70. Joel Embiid has scored 70.

So those are the guys that are currently playing that have scored at least 70 points in the ballgame. So there's a chance on any given night that they could do that. Only Will is the only guy that's ever had 70 or more more than once. So that just lets you know how infrequent that it actually happens. Okay, so my Miami Heat. Who from the Heat can score in bulk like that? And just like going a hot streak in a game? Well, I mean, probably Jimmy Butler.

Okay. But I mean, I think his career high is 56. Woo! But how many times has Jimmy Butler scored at least 50 in a game? I mean, look, you got to shoot a ton. First of all, you got to get a lot of shots. That's 40 shots. 41 shots.

Do your teammates get mad at that you think nah cause once they see you on a hot street they start passing you the ball ok ok ok ok it's just like a wide receiver when you got on a hot street Carson's looking for you now TJ knows now all of a sudden you ain't about to have

250 and he about to have 175 so the ball's about to come your way or a running back Adrian Peterson gets hot well you know he about to get the carries and you not about to come your way or running back okay adrian peterson gets hot well you know he about to get the carries and you're not about to get a whole lot of throws coming your way so i mean you look at carl anthony towns he got 62 and the next highest is uh alexander he has 18 if we go back and look at i think tyrese maxi was the next highest. He had 18 when Joel Embiid had 70. So that's crazy, man. Jimmy Butler

has two games with at least 50 points in the regular season. That's loud. Yeah. So that was, you got an opportunity to witness history, Ocho. You might not ever see that again. But you saw someone score 70 points in a game.

Carl Anthony Towns had 41 in the second quarter. In the second quarter? Wait, who is they playing? They losing right now to the Hornets. 125 to 128. And they still losing? Hold on, let me get my light together. Make sure I look good now. Hold on.

I just did my makeup. How my lighting And they still losing? Hold on. Let me get my light together. Let me get my light together. Yep. Make sure I look good now. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Because I just did my makeup. How my lighting look? How I look? You look good. You look good. Okay. Okay.

Okay. Damn. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm going to a heat game. And Wimby didn't play bad. Wimby had 33. Nah. Wimby, he was balling that.

He was good. Yeah. He had 33 points on 10 or 19, 11 or 12 from the free throw line in only 27 minutes. But I don't know what they were thinking about going one-on-one with Joel Embiid. Well, he had no choice.

They ain't had nobody. I think Wimby was the tallest one, and I ain't seen nobody else at least 6'11", 6'10". I ain't seen nothing like that on the 13. No, I'm just saying, you double him, you get the ball out of his hands. They started doing that. They started doubling him, but he was going to the line. He was driving, they were doubling him.

They were trying to get him. He was coming off the pick, and as soon as Maxie gave him the ball, they tried to double right away. But, man, he just throw something up, and they fouled him right away. He went to the line and hit that 70 on him. Yep. 21 of 23 from the free throw line, 24 of 21, 24 of 41 from the field. Yeah.

Joel Embiid has 70 points, set an NBA, set a franchise. Ladies and gentlemen, you do realize the Philadelphia Warriors is a different team. That team later became the Golden State Warriors. Wilt scored 68 for the Sixers. He scored the 100 and the 78 for the Warriors. So it is correct. This is a franchise record, 70 points. When Wilt scored those numbers, it was for the Warriors,

which later became the Golden State Warriors. So that is it. That is correct. Joel Embiid scored the most points for the Philadelphia 76ers, which is two more than Wilt had. Wilt had a 68-point game. So congratulations. Congratulations, Joel Embiid, on a historic night.

70 points, 18 rebounds, 5 assists, 24-41 from the field, 21-23 from the free-throw line. If I'm not mistaken, I think it was a 1-for-2 from the three-point line. 133-123 over the Spurs. Joel Embiid has a historic night, 70 points, and Ocho was there to witness. Did you see Cass' numbers from three man? Yeah he was 10 or 14 last I checked. Man that's

crazy. A big man shooting threes like that. Boy the game of basketball has evolved. Yeah they're getting their more skill now. Guys are more skilled I mean you guys 20 years ago guys wouldn't even thought of shooting like that. There's only

one big guy back 20 years ago that could shoot like that. That's Dirk Nowitzki. He was the first big seven-foot guy that could shoot the ball like that. I thought Dirk was a power forward, though. Yeah, he was. But I'm saying Dirk's seven-foot tall, though. He's seven-foot tall.

Cat's seven-foot tall. KD's seven-foot tall. Big guys played with their back to the basket. They weren't foot tall. KD's seven foot tall. Big guys played with their back to the basket. They weren't stepping out. They didn't have a range like this. These guys now have the range like a small player, like a 6'5", a 6'6 guy. Those were the guys that were shooting. They didn't shoot threes like they shoot it now.

But the guys, on average, guys are more. I'm not saying they're better, but they can shoot the ball better. Right. I mean, the fifth guy, the sixth guy on the bench, the sixth guy that's playing can shoot threes as good, if not better than Reggie Miller. Right. And we know what Reggie was. He had the all-time three-point.

Yeah. These guys are unbelievable now. Guys coming in now, now it used to be the dunk. Right. Now you got six-year-olds, seven-year-olds launching threes. Because now everybody wants to be Steph Curry. Everybody wants to shoot the logo like Dame. That's Steph's fault.

That's Steph's fault. That's Dame and Lil''s fault. All them pulling up from the damn logo on the court. And now everybody's praising it. Young, young, young. Guys doing the snatch, doing the pull, they driving, and doing the step back like james hard yeah i mean guys seven eight years old even girls launching threes like yeah but that's where

the game is headed the game is now a three-point game it's no longer dunk guys big guys don't want to play look at wimpy wimpy seven four yeah he plays more on the perimeter than he does with his back to the basket carl anthony town seven foot he plays out on the perimeter more than he does with his back to the basket. Carl Anthony Towns, seven foot. He plays out on the perimeter more than he plays with his back to the basket. Kevin Durant, that's just the way the game is headed now, Ocho. It's no longer a down back to the basket game. It's a wide open game

in space, launching threes, get up as many. Teams are trying to get up 40, 50 threes a game. That's just where the game is headed. So the traditional center on what we're used to seeing, obviously, I didn't watch the game. The traditional center is gone. The Keem Olajuwon, the Shaq dominating down in the paint.

No more. The traditional center now is Joel Embiid, is Nikola Jokic. Right. That's what the center is. Listen, they can go in the paint when they need to, but they also got Mia Reigns and they also go off in the three. Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. But they're not exclusively

down on the block. Guys like David Robinson, guys like Patrick Ewan, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaq, guys that played with their back primarily to the basket. That's a thing of the past now. So basically, college kids that play center, if they

are in the box, in the post type of centers, they don't really have a chance to make it to the NBA in regards to how big they are. Rudy Gobert. You see Rudy Gobert, the primarily back to the basket. Right. He's a defender. He's not an offensive guy. Bismarck, Biambo, guys that you have to be able to shoot the ball in order for you to be an offensive threat. You watch college basketball?

I do. The guy from Purdue. What I'm talking about? Edie. I think it's Edie. The 7'2 guy? He won't have a chance. He's going to struggle if he can't shoot. I've heard about

him and I was talking with some players that play for UC. And I was trying to get my knowledge together about the game for basketball. And I was asking what players are really good that are probably going to be at the next level. And they were talking about him. And I said, well, how well can you give me a comparison on him? And he said he's tall like Wimby or Embiid, but he doesn't have the range or the shot,

so he might struggle or he might not even make it. I said, how the hell are you not going to make it at 7-2? And the first thing they said, he can't shoot the ball. Got to be able to shoot the ball. Yeah. You become a lot. Now you play 5 when you play 4 on 5. What about defensively?

Defense. Man, look here. As great as Gobert is, it's an offensive game now. Because now you fall behind, guys just going to help off him. Or you file him, send him to the free throw line. That's where you're... Look at guys that were great in college. Tyler Hansbro.

One of the great all-time players in college basketball. I remember that name. I remember that name i remember that name yeah oscar sheeby the guy he was a college player of the year he can't even get minutes that he can't even get minutes in indiana can't shoot so maybe the players are that much better than him though it is the nba because he's 16 and can't shoot you gotta be able to shoot the basketball you can't if you can't shoot it's hard for you to get minutes guys are shooting you gotta be able to shoot the basketball. You can't. If you can't shoot it, it's hard for you to get minutes. Guys are shooting. You got to be able to shoot the basketball. That's

where the game is headed now. The game is no longer, oh, we're going to dump it down there to a guy on the block. Yeah, it's nice to have a Joel Embiid that the game get late in the ball game. You can dump it down to him. He can go get a basket or you file him and he goes to the free throw line.

The same thing as Nikola Jokic. Those are guys that have back to your basket moves. There are not a whole lot of those guys, bigs, that have their back to the basket that can do what those guys do. Drop step, put the ball on the floor, can lay the ball up either side of the rim. You file them, they go to the foul line. Well, wait a minute. minute what's the guy that's 610 in indiana what's his last name again oscar shiby that's the one you said who can't get minutes right right the one you just said can't get me oscar yeah i'm confused and watching the espn maybe three maybe four years

ago i'm not sure how long ago it was um the g freak. Yeah. The Greek freak didn't have a great mid-range. Right. He wasn't great from three. He still don't. But I've been watching from what I saw, the little bit of basketball I see, all of a sudden now I see him pulling up, you know, from mid-range. Now I see him pulling up from three and making shots. Maybe not as consistent as some of the other bigs,

but is it that hard to develop a shot? Yeah, you got to work on it. How hard is it not to work on a shot six months when you're in the offseason? But here's the thing. Most of the guys have a shot. You look at Anthony Davis. You see Anthony Davis got a mid-range game. Natural.

He has three-point cup of capabilities. Natural. He doesn't rely on it, but he can play with his back to the basket. He can pop out a mid-range shot. He can put the ball on the floor. He can create his own shot. That's the difference between him and Andre Drummond. Andre Drummond is a primary back

to the basket. A big guy from Chicago. I see you going now. Yes. Guys need to be able to... The most effective guys are guys that can put the ball on the floor, but they can shoot the ball. Now, look, unless you got athleticism like Giannis, that's just off the chart and you're seven foot tall.

Right. But more times than not, guys are not as athletic and as tall as Giannis. So you have to be able to develop something. The question is, once some of that athleticism leaves Giannis, now what? You got to be that much more sound technically. I'm a basketball guru now. You get to be there. Patrick Mahomes

trolls Deion Dick Dawkins with an IG photo after the Chiefs playoff win. Dawkins gave Mahomes some bulletin board material before the game with an IG photo after the Chiefs playoff win. Dawkins gave Mahomes some bulletin board material before the game saying, Pat has never been to Bill's Stadium in the full environment. The environment will be different. And not to say it's in our favor, but the stadium is in our favor.

Stadium is us. That helps us. I don't care what anybody says. This is the most dopest feeling I've ever had. We're having. We're having two back-to-back playoff black games. Oh, come on now. Like we got to leave and go eat wings. It's cool. So good luck.

After the game, Patrick Mahomes, IG post. Good luck. You got to be careful. Listen, when you're talking, you got to walk it. Yeah. When you're talking, you got to walk careful because we listen when you're talking you got to walk it yeah when you're talking you got to walk it brother Dion you know you leave yourself open that's what that that's what happens and I I like that I like that Patrick Mahomes actually fed into it I like that Patrick Mahomes actually remembered that Dion made that made that post and that was blunted ball material but Dion has to understand it's different we talk about a

quarterback that's a two-time Super Bowl champ. Being in a different atmosphere, playing away from home, isn't going to affect him. No. It's not going to affect him at all. Playing in the cold weather,

it's not going to affect him. Playing in front of 70, 80,000, the pressure situation of a divisional game is not going to affect him. He's been there before. Nothing's going to rattle him at this point because he's experienced in that type of atmosphere.

Ocho, he just played in 28 below zero. So how cold do you think it's going to be in Buffalo? It's probably not going to be that cold. And he just played in frigid Nordic conditions.

He's fine. I mean, it's Patrick Mahomes. And like I said, when you have that type of guy and give Andy Reid credit, he called a great game. But like we talked about last night, Ocho, this was the best. The Chiefs offense has looked as a whole

all year long. Offensive line only had two penalties. They only had one drop. Pacheco ran the ball. Edwards-Alaire ran the ball. They gave Patrick Mahomes time. They didn't allow initial penetration early. Yeah, he got out of harm's way and scrambled.

But this was the best and this is why they won the game because their defense gave up more first downs than they had at any game this season. They gave up more rush yards than they had at any game this season they gave up more rush yards than they had at any point in time this season so they needed this game from their offense in order to go on the road and win but you're absolutely right when you have a guy like patrick mahomes it doesn't matter what the opposing team has they got him. They feel they can go into your building

and win the ball game. Every time. Yep. So that was, you know, but it just goes to show you that guys, oh, I don't pay attention to what somebody says.

I don't read the paper. I don't listen to the news. Bullseye. Oh, they see it. They see it. And if they don't see it, somebody going to let them know about it. Of course.

I got family. I got family. I got homeboys. Hey, man, you heard what such and such said? Yeah. Now, what'd he say? He say, man, y'all want nothing. Oh, that's what he said?

Okay. Say that. He better say amen to you. Now, I got to make sure we win the game. So, I thought we weren't that good. Yeah. So, if we're not that good and we won the game, what'd that say about them? Hmm. Hmm.

Oh, I thought so what's going on? I thought y'all wanted the game in y'all building. Yeah. Y'all do realize home crowds don't win you games. You still gotta play. I understand you got the crowd. They going rockers and they throwing snowballs and

they brought their shovels and helped you dig out the stadium. Okay, and what? Yeah. And you know how shovels and helped you dig out the stadium. Okay, and what? Yeah. And you know how it didn't affect them? Because the penalties. There were only two penalties. Normally, the crowd noise,

it works in your favor when you're on defense and it's a struggle for the offense. Hello, all you got to do is go quiet, silent count. All you got to do is silent count. The offensive tackle, the right tackle. One of the most penalized

offensive linemen in all of football. That wasn't all the false start penalties, the holding, the hands to the face, none of that. So now, Ocho,

we're able to stay ahead of the chains instead of it being, you know, we second and three instead of second and 13. Right. We're third and five

instead of third and 15. Right. So're third and five instead of third and 15. Right. So now I can stay in manageable D&D, which is down in distance. Yeah. That's how you go on the road and you win ball games. You never play from behind the sticks. You stay in front of the sticks and you give yourself an excellent chance. So give the Kansas City Chiefs, because like I said, this was the cleanest game that we've seen from them all season long.

And they picked a great time to have a clean game offensively because they needed it, given what they were up against in the Bills. Obviously, the crowd was raucous, and they wanted this because they say the previous two games, if we were at home, maybe things would be different. But when I look at this Ocho I honestly believe Sean McDermott is taking this Buffalo team as far as he can take them. You think so?

I do. I do. I think he's taking them as far as he can take them. Would you really want a coaching change being that they're always in contention and always have an opportunity reaching the AFC championship? They're only two games away every year. They're only two games a year

every year. Do you really want to make a coaching change? Are we any closer? Are we any closer than we were last year? Are we any closer than we were the year before?

Are we any closer? So is the job to be two games away every single year or is the job to finish the task? I mean, well, honestly,

honestly, regardless of who the coaching is, there's one special piece. And you know how those special pieces are on each team that will always have you in contention regardless of who's at the helm. Regardless of who's at the helm. It's not good enough to be in contention. Huh?

It's not good enough to be in contention. Okay. Think about now you got Josh Allen. He's about to be almost $50 million against the cap. Right. The past three years, he was sub $20 million under the cap. Now he's about to be almost $50 million against the cap. Right. The past three years, he was sub 20 million under the cap. Now he's about to be

almost 50 million against the cap. You know they're going to manipulate the numbers and just give them and upload it into a... They're going to upload

some of that money. Probably give it to them in a signing bonus. Yeah. Spread it out. Yeah. They're going to work it. Yeah.

I see what you mean. I don't know about a coaching change though. I don't know about a coaching change, though. I don't know about a coaching change. Why not? In those moments, the game, especially the game, always, and you say it all the time,

it's the decision-making in those moments that matter. What about that fourth and five he went for in the 25? What about that fourth and five? They could overcome that with the decision making if he threw that goddamn shallow, that goddamn shallow to Diggs where he's wide open instead of trying to hit the home run

and just be the guy. But see, take what they give you. Take what they give you. Decision making. In the moments of a football game, there are two or three plays

that change the dynamic of the game. That only matter. If you run 68, only three plays matter. It's crazy as that may sound. And those two or three plays, he made the wrong decision with the ball. Yeah.

And your guy made the wrong decision going forward on fourth down. Now your defense bailed you out because McCormick Harmon is stretching the ball and he knocks it out, which is a horrible move. You're right. You can't punish the offense that severely. The ball goes out. Let's just say now instead of the defense getting the ball, if they don't recover it, now you put the offense back on the 20.

So instead of being on the five or six-yard line, you don't give the ball to the offense because they didn't – I mean the defense because they didn't recover it. Right, right. How do you reward somebody for something that they didn't do? Didn't do. Yeah, you're right. I'm sure maybe the competition committee get to that this offseason and change it.

Yeah. I believe that's too harsh of a penalty for the offense. Now, if the defense jumps on, obviously, if the defense jumps on the ball in the end zone, yeah, it's a touchback. But if they knock the ball out of the end zone, they haven't recovered it. So how do they get the ball? I think that was an asinine rule, a dumb rule to begin with. Yeah.

So hopefully they do something with that. But you know, in sports history, hey, everybody wants to have their Joe Namath number where you guarantee a victory. Excuse me, Joe Namath moment where they guarantee a victory. But it's littered, sports is littered with guys making promises that they could not keep so like politicians basically yes trolls are in the chat saying we aren't live

dum-dums we're on the west coast we started about 17 which means it's 10 10 East Coast time so we are absolutely live so now it's 7 now it's 740 well they don't realize they don't realize we live you know you look there are people that they get on and they want to troll and they think they're so smart and they're like, y'all not even live. Look what time it is. Oh, because we normally do it later. The later hour.

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1 minute 47 seconds and 3 timeouts, now we saw Patrick Mahomes go get in field goal range in 13 seconds, yeah now y'all do realize Patrick Mahomes was moving the ball up and down the field. Y'all do realize that, right? Y'all made him punt one time.

At will. Y'all made them punt one time in the entire game. So now, all of a sudden, you have the utmost confidence in your defense. Mm-hmm.

Listen, if he did make that in it was a tie game, would have meant some change to go? Yes. They was going there. Mahomes was marching down that field based on what we've seen before. We just saw the man go get a field goal, Ocho, with 13 seconds. 13 seconds, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, and especially with the way that offense is playing, with the emergence of Rasheed Rice. Yeah. Yeah. And especially with the way that offense is playing with the, with the emergence of Rasheed Rice. Right. Obviously Kelsey played very well, but Checo played very well. They was going to get it.

They was going to get it. So either way, I think the result would have been the same, even if he had made it. And it's not like, it's not like you guys had to, you know, the fearsome force about to steal curtains.

Like you guys were generating this great pressure. Like y'all had already sacked Mahomes like six times last night. You hadn't. You hadn't. So I would trust Mahomes in that situation, but they taking this game way too serious. Y'all gonna threaten a man's life.

Y'all gonna threaten a man's life or a man's family. Come on now. You know how that go now. You know how the fans are. You know how the fans are. The fans are very fickle. When you winning and when you're responsible for a win, they love you. You know what?

When you cost your team a game to go to the AFC Championship, you already know how the fans... Listen, they don't forgive. They're not going to forgive. Not right now. Not right now. They hurting, now.

They hurting. What if you're on your job and you mess up and somebody calls your phone? I'm going to kill your punk ass. They say it to me? Yeah. Anybody.

Just people. The people at a normal job. Let's use me for example. Use me for example. Yeah, you mess up. Hold on. Hold on. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.

Ring, ring, ring. Okay, now say it. Say what you're going to say. Hey, you fucked up at work today. I'm going to kill your punk ass. Well, bring your bitch ass down here then and do it then. I am too. Wait, I see Real.

I tell you what, I bet you Real better not go out that house tonight. And your kids, I know where your kids go to school there too. Old peanut head ass. Yeah, I'm glad you know where my kids go to school. How about you pull up there and I guarantee security going to handle you. Hey, listen, Rel got her gun license, so you're going to have to deal with that.

A hot one in your ass. Now what? And guess what? Security can't be at all the places at one time. You know you got them kids. So you got them kids, your punk ass and Rel. I got something for all of you. Hi, that's what you didn't know All my kids got a gun license and they all carry They ain't got nothing

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Not going in hiding. Not going in hiding. Continue to live your life. It's still a game. to the city of Buffalo, not going and hiding, not going and hiding. No. Continue to live your life. It's still a game. And again, the game is about moments

and just you feel short in the moment. I'm sure there will be other times if you have the job next year as a kicker where you can rebound and redeem yourself. But don't go in the high.

Don't go deactivating social media. Send your apology out and keep on living your life, man. You live to see another day. Don't go on the high. Don't go deactivating social media. Send your apology out and keep on living your life, man. You live to see another day. Don't go on the high. Don't go on the high. Don't go on the running, man.

Don't do that. Ocho, remember I told you in 91 had we had social media, I'd drop the touchdown? Yeah. Oh, they would lit your ass up, boy. Hey. They would let you have it.

It's a part of the territory now. It's a part of the territory. You understand that? Yes, yes. But shout out to Bill's Mafia who started donating to a local non-profit, 10 Lives Club to show support for Bass. He's the brand ambassador for the organization,

which is a no-kill cat rescue and shelter. So Bill's Mafia, look, there's always going to be one or two jackasses that think all of a sudden that, oh, if the end don all be all that my life is changed all of a sudden because we lost the football game. Right. And they take it too far and they start threatening people lives or their family lives and things of that nature. Right. But kudos to the Bills Mafia, because most of those guys are really good. They do that. This fan fan base they support a something

causes causes something great they great they great very good so i can't say enough excuse me i can't say enough great things about bills mafia because for the most part all they want to do is jump off winnebago's on the tables, burning tables, power slam somebody, and go watch their team hopefully normally win football games. But there are always a few dum-dums in every fan base. They take it far too serious.

Like, all of a sudden, they were out there. You didn't. Right. And so, kudos to Bill Mafia to donate to his local charity, 10 Lives Club, to show support for Bass. Hey, bro, pick your head up. Yeah.

Pick your head up. All of them. All the greats have missed a field goal at some point that probably cost their team a game. Yeah. Whether it's Tuck at Baltimore, Adam Benettiere, whomever, it does not matter. If you're a field goal kicker, you're going to have this.

Every quarterback has thrown a pick to end the game. A running back has fumbled. A receiver has dropped a pass. It's not the end-all, be-all, but it's about how you bounce back from your lowest moment. When you're at your absolute lowest, what are you going to do, Tyler Bass, to respond? Yeah, yeah. A, get back on the horse. The horse throw your ass lowest, what are you going to do, Tyler Bass, to respond? Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, get back on the horse. The horse throw your ass off, get back on it. Don't hide. Get out there, start kicking. Don't hide. Don't hide. Put yourself right back in that moment. Now, you can't replicate that, but hey, all of a sudden, every kick is we're down three,

and we need this kick. Yeah. Different angles. 35, 40, 45, 50 yards. Regardless of the conditions. Absolutely. Stefan Diggs,

Josh Allen, and Von Miller, the drama. Last year when Josh Allen played awful against the Bengals, Stefan Diggs showed him up on television with cryptic and was cryptic on social media all offseason. Allen relentlessly defended him. showed him up on television with cryptic and was cryptic on social media all offseason. Allen relentlessly defended him.

This year, Diggs had bad moments, dropped passes in the fourth quarter, make hand gestures to Allen like it was Allen's fault, then runs from the media again. The last time Diggs had a 100-yard game was week six versus the Giants. The last time he had a touchdown was week 12 against the eagle von miller was paid 15 million dollars this season he had zero sacks five tackles in 14 games and he also left before the media into the locker room well um Well, the cryptic messages, I'm not sure. No sign that they were directed towards Josh Allen. Who they directed at? Huh?

Oh, I mean, we can't say they were directed towards Josh. Let me ask you a question. They have a relationship. If I throw you the ball and you throw your hands up like that, who they directed at? Oh, in that moment, I mean, that happens. That happens. Is it throwing up in disgust or throwing up as in, like, okay, we got the next one? I noticed what he didn't do.

When he dropped that 65-yard ball, what did he do? My bad. That's what he should have done. I mean, after you miss it you look back my bad I think the media at times I think not media I'm just saying

in general how we take things and we twist it and thinking that they have an issue or they have their own bad can we pull up those tweets do we got those yeah and you'll see. It probably had nothing to do with Josh. You talk about the number one receiver on the team and the quarterback.

The relationship is always good. It's always good. Now, what I don't like, listen to me. Stay with me a little bit. Stephon Diggs. Yeah. A prominent number one. Yes.

Top five receiver In today's NFL Right They don't feature Exactly Let me They don't feature him In the offense

To make it much easier Not just for him But to open up Everything else that they do Because everyone else Is playing with James Cook Playing really well

In the run game James Cook Playing really well In the pass game Being that he's a dual threat and could do more than just be a running back. But again, I look at people like Puka Nakua and doing what he did over there with the Rams as a rookie, fifth round pick. And then I look at the Bills having someone that is proven at the receiver position and them not putting him in position to succeed and put up the numbers similar to what Puka Nakul was able to do, it just doesn't sit right with me because you have a player that is very efficient, that can help your offense and

put you in positions and change the dynamic of the game at any point. And you don't use them that way. You use it more as a goddamn decoy. It's just weird to me. But again, as you get older, you know what they do. As you get older, they don't use you. The opportunities all seem to decrease at a certain time.

And the first thing they do in the offseason, they say, well, you know your numbers aren't what they used to be. Now you're 29, or you're 30, or you're 28, and you're not putting up the same type of production. That's warranted with the contract of the money you're receiving. So how about you get the next thing is going to be how about you take a pay cut? You know how the business is. The business is dirty.

The business is real dirty. I'm not making no excuses for him. I'm just saying I understand the plan, what they're trying to do. Well, Joe, stay with me now. I'm not making no excuses for him. I'm just saying I understand the player and what they're trying to do. Rocho, stay with me now. I'm with you. The worst thing that a player can do is measure his success by what somebody else is doing. You see what you keep doing?

No, no, no. I ain't mean to do that. I ain't mean to do that. Look at what Puka Nakua is doing. Look at what Puka Nakua is doing. From an offensive standpoint, and using him, and I'm just talking about using him to do what, how do I say it?

The way they're using him, even with the triple crown runner over there in Cooper Cup. Is that their offense? Is that Buffalo's offense? So you want me to scrap my offense that we run and to do it what they do?

No, you don't have to scrap your offense. You put Stephon Diggs in positions to make the plays, to keep the ball moving down the field. But when they put him in position and he dropped the ball, then whose fault is that? Come on, we talk about one play. Don't do me like that. No, no, no. So he only dropped one ball this year. Okay, he dropped two.

No, that was last night. Oh, I don't know how many he dropped this year. I'm not sure. It's not that many. He has phenomenal hands. It's not that many. On April 1st, Diggs tweeted come and rescue me. Who's that directed at?

He's talking to one of his ladies. He's talking to one of his girls. Think about that. In April. We talking about April. Why not pick up the phone and call her? Huh? It's a sub tweet, man. Exactly. Thank you. We talking about April. Why not pick up the phone and call her? Huh? Why not pick up the phone and call her? It's a subtweet, man. Exactly.

Thank you. Thank you. Stay with me, Ochoa. Stay with me, Ochoa. We talking about April. Diggs ain't thinking about no goddamn football in April. This man be moving, man. This man be moving.

That's a subtweet. Hey, hey, he know who it's to? Baby, come rescue me. You know? That might, that's a sub tweet. They ain't got nothing to do with football. Trust me. Give me another tweet. And I'm going to tell you what it is. You got to learn how to read cryptic stuff.

Pro football focus, credit digs were eight drops this season. The fourth most this season. The fourth? You serious? Hey, I have a question. Do you have,

who was number one? Do you have number one? I'm just curious. Hell, probably somebody from Kansas City, probably. Huh? Puka was number one in drops. Serious?

Oh, yeah. There you got Puka Nkuna, the guy that you just keep out he's right more fans than everybody right right right canary is totally up high on the list ain't nobody from kansas city well i've got oh that's crazy man you know it's it's it's very difficult to catch every single ball that's throwing you away as much as you work on it you've been you've been playing football since you was eight years old yes and you get to the highest level at some point you're gonna drop old. Yes. And you get to the highest level. At some point,

you're going to drop balls sometimes. That's why you keep your mouth shut when you don't get the ball. Because when you keep running your mouth when you don't get the ball

and they throw you the ball and then you drop it, then what, Ocho? Not everybody that stands looking at you. You talk about you want the ball, he throw it to you, you didn't catch it.

Now you looking like boo-boo the food. It's just with great understanding you won the ball and understanding what you can do to help your team. Okay, well I give you the ball and you drop it, then what? Well, so is it great understanding that you requested the ball, I gave it to you, and then what?

It's hard to argue the fact. Stay with me now, Ocho. Stay with me. Stay with me now. I'm with you, baby, but it's hard to argue the fact. But still, you know when Steph missed a shot, does that mean. Stay with me now. I'm with you, baby, but it's hard to argue the fact. But still, you know, when Steph misses shots, does that mean he can stop shooting? No. Ah, there you go.

Oh, so not Stephon Diggs. If you understand, you have a dynamic playmaker. If you have a dynamic playmaker like Stephon Diggs and he drop a ball, you don't get mad at him because you keep coming to him

because you understand what he can do for you. But you can't keep saying, pass me the ball, ball passing me the ball and when i pass you the ball you keep missing shots because what they're gonna do they're gonna call to play for somebody else you right you right i'm you know i'm with you when you're right that's one thing about it i ain't i can't i'm not gonna argue just to argue and and then Puka was a rookie, Ocho. But what are we going to do about Vaughn? Vaughn got 15 million, zero sacks, five tackles in 14 games. I mean, he just coming off an injury.

You got to give him some grace. You got to give him some grace. It's his first year back from the injury. How much he gave the Bills back in salary? Huh? How much he gave the Bills back in salary? I mean, you heard what I said first time. You know, we don't get no money back.

We don't do that. Oh, okay. So can I get some production? Huh? You know, we don't get no money back. We don't do that. Can I get some production? Oh, you're going to get some next year. You got to give him a grace. I need that this year. I paid you this year. You got to give him a grace period coming off an ACL injury. You got to give him his grace period.

I did. No, you didn't. This season is great. You want to tell me I can't get one sack in 14 games? I can't get one sack in 14 games i can't get one sack you got to understand the type of injury he's coming out it was catastrophic okay in 14 games i can't get i can't get one sack and let's just say you average a tackle a game so i couldn't and 14 tackles? Just one.

Just give me one sack. Okay, 14 games. You can't give me one sack. In 14 games, you can't give me but five tackles? Listen, you know how difficult it is for you to bend coming off the injury like that? And getting over the mental hurdle, can I really bend like I want to?

Can I do the moves that I'm used to doing when I was healthy and I had no injury? You got to get a feel for the game and gradually get your body back into it, knowing that you can do it and not fearing that you're going to test something again. That's why I said this year, coming off that injury,

it's a great year. And I guarantee you, we get Von Miller we used to seeing next year. Oh, Joe. All they see is 40 with Miller on the back. Yeah. Yeah, you see 40 with Miller on the back, expecting the 40 with Miller on the back

before the injury. That's not the way it works when you're coming off an injury like that. When you're sustaining something like that. So, in other words, since he came off an injury, we should have cut his salary to make it more reflective of his play. No, you know what they should have done? I'm asking you what they should have done.

Maybe keep the salary the same and make it incentive-based. Well, he would have been on a minimum salary because I don't know i don't know what what numbers he could have hit zero sacks and five tackles ocho i mean let that sink in ocho zero sacks and five tackles in 14 games i know but even with an acl injury ocho you got okay let's just say you don't you got to get to the root of the problem and understand why, though, and understanding why. Before the injury, oh, he was all world, baby. That was that boy.

You couldn't take nothing from him. There was no argument. He was one of the best in the game at the position. He was TJ Watt. He was Miles Garrett. But again, an injury of that magnitude. So he's the first player to come back from an ACL injury and have. So most guys that come back from ACL injuries have in a 14-game schedule. Oh, they're not the same, man.

You know that. We can go down to this. I'm not asking him for 15 sacks. I'm asking for one. Oh, for something? Okay. I see you going with it. Yeah, I can't attest to that because I'm not a defender.

I'm just understanding the injury is the reason for... Let me ask you a question. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you're a receiver. Yeah. And you're making $15 million. So in other words, you can't give me one touchdown and 10 catches. You give me no touchdown and five catches. That's what you give me.

Even with an ACL injury in 14 games. I mean, I'm going to give you something. And you know, it's funny. I don't even deserve, I don't even have the right to be talking about anything when it comes to injuries because my black ass ain't never,

I ain't got hurt in the 13 years I did play, but I'm just, let me knock on wood, I'm just giving you a better understanding on why the numbers aren't looking like what they used to, and

it always is because of injury. That's why players never look the same. I'm not asking Bob Miller. I just want you to say, you know what? You're right. He got to give us something. Even with an ACL injury, he's coming off an ACL.

You got to give us... What about Adrian Peterson? Adrian Peterson came off an ACL. He the give him. What about Adrian Peterson? Adrian Peterson came off an ACL. He the only one. Let me take my glasses off. Adrian Peterson is the only one to come off an injury like that and come back like ain't shit happened. I don't know who did his therapy,

who did his recovery. I don't know what Adrian Peterson did, but he came back like nothing happened. I've never seen anybody have an injury of that magnitude to go out, oh my goodness, and come back in such a short amount of time and ain't miss a beat. Well, I saw Jerry Rice tear his ACL. Ain't miss a beat.

I saw Rod Wilson tear his ACL and came back and played in the Super Bowl. Had a pass, break up, a couple of tackles. I saw Jerry Rice tear his ACL and come back and catch two touchdowns in a game. Wait, Jerry tore his ACL? He tore his ACL.

Absolutely, he did. In 97. Damn, I didn't know that. I didn't know you did. So just imagine what his numbers would have been had he played the whole season. So you're going to add to what?

How many more catches are you going to add to that 1,500? Mm-hmm. How many, a thousand yards are you going to add to that 22,000? How many touchdowns are you going to add to that 1,500? How many 1,000 yards are you going to add to that 22,000? How many touchdowns are you going to add?

You sure he tore his ACL was like an MCL sprain or something? Come on now. He tore his ACL in 97. First game of the season. Damn, I didn't know that. That's hard to come back from too, especially at the receiver position. And he came back. See? Think about what he did.

You didn't even know he tore his ACL. That's how great he was after he tore it. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't, honestly. Like, all jokes aside,

I never knew that. And he came back and then he ended up cracking his kneecap against us on a Monday night. Hold on. He tore his knee...

Wait. He tore his ACL and cracked his kneecap? Yes. He tore his ACL and cracked his kneecap? Yes. Go back and look it up. 97. First game of the season. Warren Sapp face masked him.

I think Warren got him by a face mask. Twisted it. He came back on a Monday night against us, caught two touchdowns. Wait. How you tell your ACL and come back the same season? He did it. Nah, then it wasn't no ACL then. That's why I said it.

It had to be MCL sprain or something. It was an ACL. Unc, you can't tell your ACL and come back in the same season, man. He did. Rod Wilson tore his ACL and came back and played in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. Well, that goes against everything that... Okay. All right. You know, Unc, you right. came back and played in the Super Bowl against the Cowboys. That goes against everything.

You right. I ain't finagling with you. I need you to stay with me though. I lost you somewhere along the way. I asked you to stay with me and I lost you somewhere along the way. I'm with you. He tore his ACL and his MCL in game one

Yes, he played against us, didn't he? Didn't he play against us on a Monday night? I'm confused ACL, MCL injuries That's a six, seven month process Cam Akers tore his Achilles And came back and played in the season Okay, I'm tripping Something ain't right six, seven-month process. Cam Akers tore his Achilles and came back and played in the season.

Okay, I'm tripping. Something ain't right. Now, maybe the diagnosis might have been wrong, but an ACL injury is a six, seven-month process of therapy, healing. You got to do all that. Frank Gordon tore both of his.

Frank Gordon tore both of his ACLs and the third lead rushing. He came back the next season. And tore both of them. Yeah. And ended up being the second lead rusher all time. A third lead rusher all time. So this notion that you can't come back.

Frank, I didn't say you can't. Not in the same goddamn season, though. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he came back with 16 against us. Damn. Jerry did. Yes. And scored a touchdown, didn't he?

Yes. Boy, that's crazy. Boy, I ain't never heard of that. Boy, that need, that. So you mean to tell me. So you mean to tell me. Studies need to be done on that. Jerry tears his ACL week one.

Come back and catch us a touchdown in week 16. And you mean to tell me in 14 weeks Von Miller can't give me one sack and more than five tackles? You lying to me, Ocho. You lying to me. It's different in them trenches now.

The man is a wide receiver with an ACL. So what you think harder to play? A defensive player or a wide receiver with a torn ACL? You've never been injured. Tell me what you think. Playing, cut, stop. Which is more difficult? Yes.

I don't know, boy. You seen them left tackles and right tackles in the league, what? Trying to get around them boys? Cut, getting in and out of your break. Transitioning. With a knee brace on. How many wide receivers you see play with a knee brace? Now, how many defensive players you see D-linemen and linebackers play with knee braces?

How many wide receivers you see play with a knee brace? In your life? Yeah. Hey, that's crazy though, man. Just think about it. So, let me ask you a question so what did Jalen Ramsey tear he let MCL spring he tore something

in the preseason right yeah in the offseason no in practice in practice yeah and he came back and did what he came out

he came back and ball came back and ball did he make the pro bowl did Jalen Ramsey make the Pro Bowl? Did he? I know Jalen Ramsey better not have made the Pro Bowl Why wouldn't he? Because he tore his knee ligament

You need a recovery here Remember you need a recovery here That's what you just told me He didn't tear his ACL What did he tear? PCL? He tore his meniscus. Ah, see?

That's a little timetable you get back. You know that's a DB though. You know that's a DB, right? That ain't no right. You know that's a DB, though. Huh? You know that's a DB, right? That ain't no offensive lineman. That's a DB. Yeah. And he came back and got a pick first game back.

Back pedal, drive. Back pedal, turn, run. You right. Back pedal, change direction. You know, I'm not in their bodies. I'm not in Von Miller's body. I don't know. I just understand the difficulty coming off that edge and not being able to do the things you used to do before your injury one time one sack in 14 games you you make it sound so easy

you make it sound so easy okay what about a tackle okay forget the sack. I don't want no sack. You mean to tell me in 14 games you can only give me five tackles? You know why he only had five? Because they were running away from him. They were scared of him. That's what they did. 14 games, nobody ran to his side. Nah, they were scared of him.

Yeah. You know, Vaughn's real stout in the run too now. He's very good against the run. Yeah. Carl Oakley said, Ocho, you my dog. But these cats make too much money for you to make excuses for them. We used to say in the Army, the maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters. Hey, I like that.

I like it too. I like that. Hey, that's a good. Matter of fact, hold on. Let me get my pen and pad because I'm going to use that with real. You need to use it for you You need to use it for you Real don't be making no excuses That's one thing I know about real

Man, I left my damn notepad in Miami, man Golly Oh, hold on, hold on I forgot the hotel got pens Hold on, Ocho Yo Can you tell the people at home Oh, hold on, hold on. I forgot the hotel got pinned. Hold on. Ocho. Yo. Can you tell the people at home, one of your best friends,

he broke his ankle like week 14 and he came back in the Super Bowl and did what? Oh, went crazy for 142. 142, I forgot how many catches he had. Oh, wait a minute. You need recovery time. He did. How you going to break your ankle? You need recovery time He did How you gonna break your ankle He had recovery time When he got surgery

They put pins and screws in his ankle He did the therapy he needed to To hurry up and get ready for the Super Bowl Oh You mean to tell me So he did So I Hold on

He broke his ankle One off season And came back ready for the Super Bowl the following season, right? Right. It was a clean break, so it was easier to come back. I don't know about no clean.

I don't know about it was dirty. Maybe they cleaned it up. So in other words, I'm asking you again. He broke his ankle one season and then the following season, not in the same season. No, it was the same season.

What? Yeah, they were playing the Cowboys. Roy Williams, horse collar. After that, they said no more horse collar tackles. So in other words, we should have an expectation from players if they get back on the field. Is that what you're telling me? Yes, sir. Okay, that's all I need to know.

We can move on then. But I need that quote again from a buddy with the army. I need that army quote. He said, we used to say in the army, the maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters. So you don't need to be any distance to give somebody an excuse. Yeah, I'm a you. They say in the military, they have to do collateral damage.

They say, okay, when we drop this bomb, what's the blast radius? Yeah. What's the blast? If we were to do this, how many meters out, how many miles is this destruction going to be? Right. He says, in order for you to give an excuse, you don't have to worry about no distance. Hmm. I like that. I like it. Well, he an excuse, you don't have to worry about no distance. Hmm. I like that.

I like it. What are you talking to? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who Buddy is, but I appreciate that. I'm going to use that one because the next time she give me an excuse. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The chat said they need you to stop giving excuses to these players.

That's what the chat said. I ain't make no excuses for them. I would just give you an example on why it may not be what we used to see giving excuses to these players. That's what the chat says. I ain't making no excuses for them. I would just give you an example on why it may not be what we used to see. And that's all. I'm not making an excuse for them. I'm just giving you an issue to the problem. Maybe what it is.

That's all. I ain't making no excuses. They sound like they're staying with you. They say, Ocho, we staying with you. Stay with me now. I ain't making no excuses. I just, I know what, I'm going to use that quote. The next time I try to shake the cup,

then somebody tell me they too tired. Yeah. Yeah. They ask, is Josh Allen in danger of becoming a damn arena of his generation this is the question that has been discussed a lot today and I have those things to say for me personally right Josh Allen is only

in the league six years only I mean Dan did play 16 years and I understand he got to the Super Bowl in the second year you just automatically assume he was going to get back but at least give Josh Allen at least a decade Super Bowl in the second year. You just automatically assume he was going to get back. But at least give Josh Allen at least a decade.

Damn. You know what's happened, Ocho? What? We have mentioned all these quarterbacks by Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes, what he's been able to do in such a short amount of time?

Yes. It's what we're saying. Man, he ain't got no Super Bowls. He ain't got no MVP. Right, right, right, right. So he ain't that good. No! You can't do that.

What about all the media pundits making excuses for Josh when he lost? I mean, they're making excuses for him and saying, okay, this is why he lost as opposed to the way they do other quarterbacks. When other quarterbacks lose, the onus on the loss is on the quarterback.

Yeah. Josh. Because my problem that is, and I told D.O. on the show today. Yes, sir. I said, y'all didn't say all these when he won last week and he had those four touchdowns. Right. You didn't say this guy made a great play. You didn't say this guy had a dead disc.

All you said, Josh Allen, look how well he played well he played right now the quarterback gets all the success what you guys have tried to do and i've seen some other guys what you guys try to do is paint and give him all the credit right then when it comes time for blame at the court it comes down did you win or did you not lose it doesn't matter how well you play. Right, right, right. Peyton Manning has played some great games. He lost to Tom Brady, and we say, well, Peyton didn't get it done. We've seen Mahomes play great games. But, hey, in that game against his first AFC championship game, did Patrick Mahomes not play a great game?

Go back and look at the stats. Right. They said he lost. Tom Brady won. Right. But for some reason, Josh, kind of like if we like a guy, we're going to build the most compelling case

to prop him up. And we don't. Now, let Lamar, God forbid, Lamar doesn't win this game on Sunday. Shit. Ain't nobody going to say, well, his receivers let him down. They're going to say Lamar didn't get the job done. Right.

Who you got? I'm Right. Who you got? I'm glad. Who you got? I don't know. We got plenty of time between now and then. I'll let you know. Oh, you already know. I don't know. I can tell you. I don't know. It's Monday. They ain't even had practice.

I damn need to practice. I can tell you. What if Alias comes down and kidnaps Mahomes or Lamar? tell you're going to win What if Alias What if Alias come down And kidnap Mahomes or Lamar Then what you going to do The defense going to take over No Ain't neither team winning

Without the quarterback Man you tripping man So who you going to win Don't be scared to say it You scared We got too many times We got too many shows I know we got too many shows

Even though we have two more shows I know we got too many shows even though we have two more shows I know you not I know you not talking the way you be the way you be obfuscating and not picking nobody

now all of a sudden you were trying to put somebody on the spot listen I'm trying to get on first take so I'm ready to I'm ready to put somebody on the spot

no no because you done made excuses for all you done made excuses all year I ain't made no excuses yeah you did listen

Josh Allen is not a game manager they don't win games excuses all year. I ain't made no excuses. Yeah, you did. Listen, Josh Allen is not a game manager. They don't win games in spite of Josh Allen. They have to win because of him. And he has to be perfect. There's some guys, the guy has to be perfect in order for his team to win.

We understand that. He's one of those guys. Or, you can use the special pieces that you have offensively and make your job easy as the quarterback but that's another story but you right but like I said you

just have to understand that what Mahomes is doing is unprecedented yes Brady won but Brady won Super Bowl but Brady was more of a game manager he later became in the tom brady that we know but his first superbowl he threw for 141 yards that's not anything they won that game with defense ty long got a pick six they did a great job of disrupting uh the greatest show on turf yeah oh the rams game yeah right yeah

defense is really good and so we just automatically think oh man that guy he ain't got no mvp yeah he doesn't have any superbowls right really so you're gonna compare everybody to patrick mahomes i mean is he he would be the standard then right now, right? You can't compare anybody to Brady because Brady is in a class of his own. He sits on a pedestal all by himself. So who's the next standard to the quarterback position that we're going to compare everybody to? Remember we just talked about, you can't measure your success by somebody else's success. So if you measure your quarterback by Patrick Mahomes, he's a failure.

Every quarterback that's been in the league at least five years is a failure if you measure their success by Patrick Mahomes. Right. Now, how ridiculous does that sound? You're right. You're right. I mean, when you put it like that, you're right. Yes! That's my point.

That's just like you. And we see a lot of people do that, Ocho. You can't say, man, I got to be a failure. Man, that guy's 25 years old. He got a yacht. He got a house in Bel Air. He got five cars. Really?

So because you don't have a house in Bel Air, you don't have a yacht, you don't drive private, now your life is a failure? Why? Because you base your success on what you see somebody else got? Nah. Nah. Nah. You know, everybody's definition of success

is different anyway. Yes! Yeah. Everybody's definition of that is different. And then, you know, it's kind of like, man,

man, he got the perfect wife. He got the perfect marriage. How do you know? Yeah. You're basing what you know on by what you see. You don't know

when you don't see. He might be, he or she might be living in hell. Complex ranks the most disappointing NFL teams since 2004. Most disappointing? Yes. What you think number one is since 2004 well based on what we I mean what we've always talked about him with what we've always witnessed throughout the years and being that they move the needle the most I'm assuming the Cowboys would probably be one. They're number two.

The Dak era Cowboys are number two. Number one, that was a no-brainer. 2007 Patriots. Oh, the 16-1? 18-1. 18-1. 18-1?

Oh, because they lost the Super Bowl? Yep. What do you think number three is? Who's been really bad? Who's been really, really bad? Number one is the 2007 New England Patriots. Number two is the Dallas Cowboys-Dak era.

Right. Number three. The Packers-Rogers Rodgers Adams era wait how's that disappointing they got a two time league MVP they had the best receiver in football oh cause they weren't able to get past the divisional round

but really they got to the championship as well yeah okay damn that's fucked up they said uh the 2000 the two 2023 eagles was number four i disagree with that five were the chargers lt and philip rivers era you got philip rivers you got lt and you got Antonio Gates. Antonio Gates, yeah. The 2017 to 2020 New Orleans Saints. Drew Brees.

Drew Brees, Marcus Colston. The Dream Team Eagles of 2011 when they had Michael Vick, Ben Young, all those guys. Yeah. The 2007 Dallas Cowboys. 11 Pro Bowlers. Lost to the Giants. The 2019 Cleveland Browns. I don't know about that. Odell and Baker.

Okay. Okay. And the Denver Broncos. Russell Wilson. That's rough, man. That was complex yes I don't agree I don't agree with some of those

what would you have you have somebody up higher you have somebody down lower you take somebody completely off the list completely off the list would probably be that 2007 Patriots because that was that to me

that's that's that's historic what they were able to do outside losing that last game duh yeah but that yeah like how do you put that as one of the most upsetting what's the title of what's the title of of the other most disappointing NFL teams since 2004 how is that disappointing like because you want all your games except the one that matter so would you rather would you rather be 19 and 1 and lost the first game or be 18 and 1 and lose the first game, or be 18-1 and lose the first game, or 18-1 and lose the Super Bowl. It's crazy how we I mean, for me,

to be able to go 18-1 and it's a historic franchise, they were a dynasty, and they just happened to miss a game, but they still have six goddamn, no, five. They didn't get it that season. Tom Brady, I had Tom Brady on the pod.

I had Tom Brady, we was doing a stream. Yeah. I asked Tom Brady, would he give up two Super Bowls to win 2007? Without blinking an eye, he said, absolutely. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Yeah. You know, that would have finally... That would have been the greatest season ever. Outside of the Dolphins. The Dolphins, what? 72 season, right? Yes.

Yeah. 17-0. Yeah. Another example. The Warriors, 73-9. The greatest regular season. Steph Curry, the only unanimous MVP. Right.

So would you say that season was a success or a failure? They lost the NBA Finals, a 3-1 to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Cavaliers, yeah. So is that disappointing? Yes or no? No, that was disappointing. Why is it disappointing? The BF3, BF3-1?

3-1? You had already beat the Giants. You had beat the Giants the last game of the regular season. Right. You got Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Wes Welker. They had a squad, boy. Hey, them boys had a squad. Damn, they had a squad.

You want to... So what you say? You right. I can't augur. I can't augur. I can't augur with you what you what you say? You're right. I can't. I can't. I can't. I can't argue with you. You're right.

Debo Samuel and Brandon IU defends Brock Purdy on IG amid criticism. Brock Purdy, right? Receivers are in his corner and defending some of the criticism he's faced after struggling against the Packers. Debo said, never seen so much hate for a quarterback that led the league in almost every category. Y'all folks be bugging for real, for real.

That tap don't tell no lies. That tap? Mm-hmm. What the hell is a tap? I don't understand the lingo, but I'm old. Yeah, me too. A tap.

I mean, he's basically saying, look, our quarterback is fine. Yeah. And that's what they should do. They should rally behind their quarterback. I mean, that's what

every team teammate will do is rally behind your quarterback. I mean, there shouldn't really be any issues. Well, what's that for teammate will do is rally behind your quarterback. I mean, there shouldn't really be any issues. Well, why Stephon Diggs ain't rallying behind his quarterback? I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that. Thank you, Ocho.

So why didn't Stephon Diggs rally behind his quarterback? He does. No, no, no. He didn't say nothing bad about his quarterback. You stand and face the media. You don't leave before the media without asking questions. Now, when he had those three touchdown games, those 150 yards, he

stood right there in front of the media. Now, all of a sudden, things don't go his way. He didn't have no big day. Now, he left before the media get there. Well, I think he was frustrated. You don't think so? Oh, so now you want to talk to the media when things go good.

Oh, I don't know. Listen, I don't know. I wasn't frustrated. You don't think so? Oh, so now you want to talk to the media when things go good. Oh, I don't know. Listen, I don't know. I wasn't there. You just said. You said he was frustrated. Now you don't know. Which is it? I'm assuming because you lost.

No, no, don't do that. Do do. A-S-S. You, not me. Ass. You, me. No. Okay, now you said you didn't know.

I'm asking you again. So why did he not talk to the media yesterday and stand behind his quarterback i don't know i don't know i can call i can call him and text him and ask him oh he said tape oh he meant tape he says tape don't lie oh the tape don't lie that's what he meant to say he meant to say he misspelled that tape tape don't lie. That's what he meant to say. He meant to say he misspelled tape. Tape don't lie. Okay. Tape doesn't tell lies. Well, his show don't. His show don't.

But he didn't play, listen. With the offense, with the offense. When it mattered most, he came up huge. Yeah. But he didn't play well Sunday night. I mean, Saturday night. I mean, was it Sunday? He didn't play well Saturday night, Ochoa.

Right. He didn't play well. night Ocho right he didn't play well yeah and that's okay but when it mattered and I I was on I was on the show today and I told Stephen A

people don't realize in the catch game Joe Montana had three picks and a lost fumble before he led the game winning drive right you see how we forgot that Ocho?

That fast. Just like that. Because why? He won the game. Same thing with Brock Purdy. Brock Purdy didn't play good. Right. He didn't.

But he played well when it mattered. Most, yeah. Joe played well when it mattered. And he said he was trying to throw the ball away. Dwight Clark just went up and jumped it. That was the wall said he thought he was throwing the ball away. That was the same. That was the same year.

Everson wall led the league in pigs ever true or the undrafted rookie with 10 pigs. So look, I love, I love, uh, look, I love, I love, oh yeah, you can put the 2013 Broncos in that list too. God, that was bad. 43-8 to the

Legion of Boom. Yeah. How many guys, you had five guys that have at least 10 touchdowns? But them boys were no joke though, boy. Peyton Manning led the league in passing yards, passing touchdowns, MVP. Was it 50? Yeah, 55.

Yeah, them boys were no joke, boy. They definitely should have made that list. Ayuk said, y'all need to stop this dissing and turn on the tape. That's for everybody. Everybody. He capitalized everybody. You got to. The tape don't lie. But neither does our eyes

when you watch certain games. Yes. The tape don't lie. When we turn on the tape, you know, he didn't play well against the Packers. So to answer your question, can I turn on the tape against the Ravens? Can I turn that tape on? What? Hey,

that's a different ballgame. I'm just asking. If they turn the tape on, I want to know if I turn the tape on that game, what's it going to show me? Yeah. If I turn the tape on against Cleveland, what's it going to show me? Right. It's okay.

Guys are not going to play well all the time. I hope he plays one of his best games. He's going to take that. The Lions are for real. It's not an accident that they're there. Yeah. It's not. Now, they're going to have to do a better job

of pressuring Jerry Goff than what they did Sunday. Because he'll pick your partner. He doesn't have the wheels. He doesn't have the mobility of a Jordan Love. But they're going to have to get more pressure than what they generated on Saturday. That defense. Because that back end can be had,

Ocho. That back end can be had now. Armond St. Brown, Reynolds, Jamison Williams, LaPorta. Yeah. That defense is excuse me, is not as formidable

as they were in the first half of the season, Ocho. Right. That defense has shown some vulnerabilities. Yeah, we know everybody a little banged up now. Especially first half of the season, don't you? Right. That defense has shown some vulnerabilities. Yeah, we know everybody a little banged up now, especially this time of the season. You're going to get your hands unbanged up and you're going to be home. You'll be doing in the Pro Bowl. Yeah.

You'll be playing flag football in the obstacle course in the Pro Bowl. Mm-hmm. Yeah. But I like the guys that are rallying behind them them i like the guys that are they're standing up for their quarterback and that's what they should that's what they should do uh titans are hiring bingles offensive coordinator brian callahan is the head coach i thought teams wanted guys to call plays zach taylor calls the plays right so how he getting hired? I thought that was a knock on Eric B. Enneman. That was a knock on the black

coaches. Sean McVay got a job and didn't call plays. Kyle Shanahan called plays. Mike McDaniel got a job and didn't call plays. Kyle Shanahan called plays. Matt LaFleur got a job and didn't call plays. Zach Taylor got a job and called plays.

Hold on, Ocho. I thought they wanted guys to call plays. Right Taylor got a job and called plays. Hold on, Ocho. I thought they wanted guys to call plays. Right. I don't know. Matt Nagy got a job under Andy Reid. What's the guy at Jacksonville? Doug Peterson

got a job under Andy Reid and he didn't call plays. I thought they wanted guys to call plays. That's the knock they use against Eric B. Enemy. He doesn't call plays. All these guys have gotten jobs and didn't call plays. And I need to know why. Please offer me some explanation.

You want me to give it to you raw? No. Oh, come on. explanation you you you want me you want me to give it to you wrong no no oh i'm talking about the explanation. Damn. You don't quit the holiday. Just shoot up the club. I'm talking about the explanation, man. Okay. Man, they're just shooting up the club. They don't even ask no question.

They just come in and shoot up. Damn. Man, you know why, man. You know why. Damn. You know why. Damn! You know why. You know why. I don't need to say it.

The champ won't stop shooting up the club. My bad. That's nothing against Mr. Callahan. I'm sure Mr. Callahan is going to do a phenomenal job. I'm sure he's going to do a great job. But the excuses are made when it comes to you know who, you know why. I'm not even going to go there

because, I mean, the proof is in the pudding. The proof is in the pudding because it continues to happen over and over. The higher reason, the higher end continues to happen without the excuses coming from anybody else. Yeah, I need a pause button. I need a pause button for you, Ocho.

My bad, my bad. Come on, man. Chat, y'all get your head out the gutter now. We talking football. I ain't no head out the gutter. They already know you wronged on Willie. Now what they call you at the crib? We talking football, man.

Oh, that what you was talking? You talking about wrong. Come on, man. Pause. I already know you ain't never had no condom on. But anyway, we're going to move right along. We're going to move right along. You don't even know where they are.

You couldn't go to CVS and go to the condom aisle to save your life. I'll send you to the store right now. I guarantee you couldn't find a condom. Listen. Hey, Ocho, stop getting some condoms. He's going to talk about, where you buy condoms at?

Ah, damn. Hey, come on. Come on, man. Okay, my bad. My bad, Ocho. I mean, I'm just saying. Come on, man. I mean, I just...

I mean, that's the chat. The chat like, dang, man. The chat, man. The chat, man. The chat, they don't roll no wheelie. Chat tripping, man. Chat, y'all got to grow up, man. Come on now. We talking football.

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He reads for an hour and falls asleep. Did you have any requests about teams calling you? He what? He reads for an hour. Ocho, you got to realize the man 18, 19 years old.

He's 19 years old, Ocho. He reads for hours and then he fall asleep? Yeah. Come on with this. Man, what? What? Huh? Why they...

He's 20 years old. He turned 20 on January the 4th. Why they putting that out there? What? He ain't reading for no... Come on, man. Yeah. What we doing?

What he doing, man? I mean... He read... Stop lying, man. Yeah. What we be doing? What he doing, man? I mean. He read. He read. Stop lying, man. What he doing, Ocho? Come on, man. He reading before the game?

No. At night. Man, he reading. What you think he doing, Ocho? Watching anime. He might be. But he don't want to be disturbed. Man, shit. Put your. What you think you're doing, though, Joe? Watching anime. He might be. But you don't want to be disturbed. Man, put your phone on do not disturb.

D&D. What is that a talk about? Ain't nothing to talk about. How you do that? I didn't know how to do that. How you put your phone on do not disturb? I mean, it's a feature on every phone. I know it's a feature, but how you do it?

You swipe down in the right corner. Swipe down in the right corner. And where it says focus, you see if we hit focus and it hit the moon. I've never hit the moon. Oh, okay. Okay. I see that. Yeah, I hit gaming.

Mine normally, mine is on gaming right now. I like that. Dude out of third. Then they got a person will turn off work, focus on you, work, get some things done, sleep, relax, relax,

sleep, relax, and get some rest. You got an iPhone and don't know how to work it? Yeah. I like that, Ocho. You all right, Ocho. You see, this how it was yesterday by Kanye.

You see how excited you are? Yeah. Yeah, see? You ain't know. Same thing. I ain't no drinker. You don't know. I don't know about alcohol.

You don't know about the iPhone. So now we even. Now we even. Siri, ask Ocho what about condoms at. Siri says she don't know. Listen, man. Hey, I'm a married man, man. I'm just, you know.

I'm a boomer. Yeah, I am. I'm definitely a baby boomer. I'm sorry. What's a boomer? I don't be knowing all this stuff. I can't do nothing. What's a boomer?

Baby boomer. I'm in my 50s. Oh, okay. So, what am I? I'm Gen Z or I'm a millennial? Your old ass ain't no millennial. I'm not? Hell nah, you're in your 40s.

What the hell you talking about a millennial? I'm in my 40s, but I look 25. I don't care what you look like. Your age ain't 40. I'm a millennial. I don't forget that. That ain't what you... No, you're not. I look 25. I look young. I compare I don't forget that. That ain't what you... No, you're not.

I look 25. I look young. I compare... They still card me when I go to the... When I go out. Yeah, A-R... A-R-P.

That's the only card you can... You don't have any cards. That's what... That's what... That's the card. Nah, I'm just saying. A few times.

A few times. When I go buy cigars, they be card me like... When I buy cigars, they be card me like, are you old enough? Yeah, I'm just saying. A few times. A few times. When I go buy cigars, they be card me like... When I buy cigars, they be card me like, are you old enough? Yeah, I'm old enough. They say you Gen X.

I'm Gen X? Yeah. What that saying for? I mean, you not Gen Z. That Gen Z is the crowd now. The young folks now. Right. Okay, I'm Gen X.

I like that's that's dope yeah yeah just not no millennial okay so gen gen gen x and millennial is the same i mean gen z and millennial is the same thing basically yeah okay man we got all type of abbreviations and descriptions for every damn thing. They do. Pronouns and all type of shit. Damn. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm still thinking about that 70 piece tonight, man.

God, damn, that was so dope to see in person, man. Yeah. And I'm just thinking, I'm watching these boys on the court. I'm like, I know I can come off the bench for the Spurs right now. And no, this is do what?

Huh? You don't even watch basketball. If you don't watch basketball, what makes you think you can play basketball? Because I'm looking at the talent in front of me. I'm looking at the people in front of me. I'm like, I know I can start over that. Bro.

I know I can start over that. Bro. I know I can start over him. Bro, do you realize the 15th man on the bench will go to any YMCA and drop 50? Yeah. Do you realize how good, do you realize how good them jokers are? Do you realize I go to the

YMCA, I go to LA Fitness and drop 40? No. I drop 40? You realize? Man, I'm joking. Hey, the 15th guy on the bench will do what Embiid did to win Benyama to you. Give you 70. The 15th guy on the bench.

Now listen, now Gilbert Arenas already told you how good I am at hoop already. So the fact that you disrespected me after I already beat multiple NBA players, that don't sit right with me. Well. Until you see me hoop in person, then you'll get a better understanding. Okay, Chad might be talking. He might be talking, but you had an NBA player tell you. Bumper, you're gone.

Really like that. And you still think you really like that. And you still think you're not understanding. So I'm going to show you in person. No, you're good. Okay. You're going to be just like what you call them,

guys that be dapping guys up, be clapping for everybody to come on the bench. You ain't getting off the bench. You! I'm coming, I'm coming. Listen, I don't even need to start. I could be the sixth. You're not going to start. You ain't getting off the bench. You! I'm coming, I'm coming. Listen, I don't even need to start. I could be the sixth.

You're not going to start. You don't need to. I don't need to. I can come off the bench and get you 20, 23, 24. Easy. 24, 12, and 10. That's me.

Ocho, you can't start for a high school team now, bro. Listen, one thing about it, don't play with my athletic ability. Don't play with my athletic ability and don't play with these feet. Maybe once upon a time, Ocho. Maybe once upon a time.

Ocho, Ocho, the chat had so much fun watching you spell baloney. We got a new segment called Spell-O-Cinco. Wait, baloney? You mean... Yeah, you spelled baloney yesterday. No, that wasn't

baloney? Yeah. Oh, I spelled it right, though. I spelled it right. Yeah. Yeah, that was real. I thought you said E. You knew I ain't say no E. I mean, since you wanted to spell and be, we're going to have words, a couple of words, and we're going to

let you spell them. The first word you got to let you spell them. Okay. The first word you got to spell is lasagna. Lasagna? Yes. It's the pasta dish. Okay, wait, wait. Stay with me.

My grandma always says sounded out, always sounded out, always sounded out. Now, lasagna is a French word, right? Right? Origin like cognac? Mm-hmm. Origin. I don't know. It sounds like you can't spell it.

Hold on. L-A-S-A. L-A-S-A-G-N-A. Okay. L-A-S-A. Nice. Wait, wait, wait, wait. L-A-S-A-G-N-A. L-A-S-A-G-N-A. Okay. L-A-S-A. Nice. Wait, wait, wait, wait. L-A-S-A-G-N-A.

L-A-S-A-G-N-A. Correct. The next word we have for you is champagne. Why are you giving me words with, whatchamacallit in it, man? With a silent G, man. Yes. So you don't have to say it. It's silent, so don't say it just spell it all right champ

like champs you know champs yep a g n e yeah yeah p a what c h a m p a g n e that's what i just said okay yeah come on don't be trying don't be trying What? C-H-A-M-P-A-G-N-E. That's what I just said. Okay. Yeah, come on. Don't be trying to throw me off, man. I was a Stella B. Champ in 87, man. Remember the movie,

Akilah the Bee? Akilah the Bee? Yeah. They wanted to use me. They didn't. No, I'm telling you. I auditioned for that. Everybody says, you know, Ocho has done really well with his money, and he's one of the best entrepreneurs in the world. Well, I'm the best.

I'm the best person ever of any athlete, any person in the world when it comes to saving money. Nobody going to outdo me, ever. So, spell entrepreneur. All right. Entree. Entree. E-N-T-R P-R-E

N-E-U-R E-N So one more time. Entree. Stay with me. I'm breaking it. I'm breaking it down in parts. Entree. Stay with me. I'm breaking it down in parts. Entree. Okay.

Yes. E-N-T-R-E. Correct. P-R-E. Nour. Like cow manure. N-U-E-N-U-R. So I got to break it down in parts.

So like entree, I know pre-neur and cow manure it ends with N-U-E-R. It rhymes together. Yeah, so that's how I do, that's how I always with my spelling bees. I break it down into sections and reference the other words that end the same if that makes sense.

The last word is a simple one. Yacht. Oh, come a simple one. Yacht. Oh, come on, man. Yacht is easy. Y-A-C-H-T. Y-A-C-H-T. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah.

So you advance to the second round. We'll see you on Thursday with a new cast of words. Hey, that was dope. I like that. That was dope. Hey, we can take, since we can't sing no more, we can have spelling bees every time. Okay. Unculture J asked, Uncinocho, of all the coaches you played under, who had the most complex system?

Well, shit, I was in one system really my whole goddamn career. Yeah. And when I went to the Patriots, I went to the Patriots late. And so they had a West Coast system. And the difference in the system with the Patriots was the verbiage, the language. Because I was coming from a number system in Cincinnati. Right. The number system was easy you

know I write 826 here we got the post we got the drag and the dig on the back so when I got to the Patriots it was it was all words verbiage yeah it was just verbiage so I wouldn't really call it complex it was just unfamiliar and the fact that I got there late I was already I was already behind the eight ball when I got traded so I I just didn't have time. And I always tell people, and I think people need to have a better understanding with offenses when it comes to the NFL. There are 32 teams and there are 32 systems. The offenses aren't different. There's only nine routes. There's only nine routes. And just about how it's worded and how it's put together in each formation. And it's just once you understand the verbiage, the systems really don't change.

It's just the way that there's just the way the players are called. That's the only difference. You're absolutely right. Probably Coach Reeves because it was backwards. Coach Reeves learned offense under Tom Landry. Tom Landry was a defensive coordinator with the Giants. Vince Lombardi was the offensive coordinator. Tom Landry was the defensive coordinator.

So when he installed, 1-3-5 is to the right. 2-4-6 is to the left. That's wrong. So you can understand, as a defensive coordinator, everything is backwards this is right this is left ah

okay okay okay I see what he's doing I see what he did yes so imagine your entire life 1-3-5 is to the left

2-4-6 is to the right right now all of a sudden you get there 1-3-5 is to the right 2-4-6-8 is to the right. Right. Now, all of a sudden, you get there. 1-3-5 is to the right. 2-4-6-8 is to the left. Yeah, yeah. And it didn't make any sense.

52 double slant and special. Ain't nobody running no slant. Right. So, that was it. I mean, Mike, we had Burbage, you you know far double wing right or you know red right two jet flanker drive 50 bingo pick I mean like you said once you understood where you were in the progression good 200 dread x slam you know 22 z in fullback why you know I mean once you understand what you uh um where you are in the progression,

you understood it. Right. It's telling you, you know, we're saying red, right? We're telling the protection. Telling the back to formation. Red, right? Tight ends going right. Formation is right.

24, we're telling you the protection. Offense line knows the protection. Now we go. Yeah. Or 22ZN, scat we... 22ZN, scat right, 22ZN. We tell it scat, okay? Everybody's out. All eligible receivers are out.

22ZN, Z got the end cut. Shannon, you got the wall route. Oh, yeah. Back running the rim. Yeah. And then, you know, my thing, you got to get good. And so, you know, because a lot of times, if Ed gets dinged, Rod gets dinged, they need a blow.

Guys coming in. Guys are nervous. Man, what I got? What I got? What I got? You got to be able to tell them, X, you got this. You playing the what? You playing the Z.

You know, you playing the zebra. Right. Because when we go three rides, you got, you know, it might be me. Now I'm the tiger. So you got Z, zebra, tiger, X. And, you know, you got to be interchangeable. You got to be able to, hey, talk to him. Because Mike ain't trying to hear that.

You know, it's bull jive, like, that you can't help the guy. Because, you know, you understand, hey, sometimes guys might know, but they get nervous. Because they coming into the game like, man, it's late in the ballgame. It's an important down. Right. You know, it might be the fourth quarter. Might be second down. Might be third down. So to be able to tell it, hey, you got to to run this make sure you get your depth now

you hot you know guys got to know you know guys need to know if they hot or not look we got a black it's going to take two guys to make you hot he's staying in and blocking so it's going to take two guys if they bring one run your route td gonna pick that one guy up if they bring two off this side, you're hot. You got to get your ass around. Hey, John, I'm hot on AT. I'm hot on this one. Get your ass around.

Yeah, absolutely. So, RDR Food Review asked, What's up, Okinoto? Question, will you guys be watching the UFL this spring? Do you think free agents like Colin Kaepernick should go showcase? Man, look, Colin don't want to go there. I mean, it's over for him. The NFL

is not going to call. My thing was, if they didn't call him somebody that's been out of the league seven, eight years, he hadn't played. I mean, they didn't call him his first year, second year. After that, they moved on. So no, I don't think Colin Kaepernick, but I do think free agents, if they want an opportunity to play,

the kicker for the Cowboys. He made All-Pro. He was in the USFL last year. Mm-hmm. Kavon Turpin, the returner for the Cowboys. Yeah. He was an All-Pro two years ago. He came from the USFL.

You think I can get an opportunity to go to the USFL and play? Go ahead. Watch him bust your ass. I'm just saying. Yeah, I'm not... Ocho, you ain't taken... Ocho, you hadn't taken a lick in 12 years.

I just want to play football, huh? That's okay. That's what... And listen, who going to lick... Who going to hit me? Huh? Huh?

Who going to hit this? Ocho. You see this? Who going to hit this? Ocho this? Who gonna hit this? That's solid You ripped up You ain't butterbunk 75 Not right now but I'm 225 right now

You can't even spell 225 You see the arms Look through the thing Man look here You see how big I am? Nope I ain't really got no shoulders Cause I'm aerodynamic I ain't got no shoulders

Cause I'm aerodynamic I know I know you I know you ain't got no shoulders I cut right through the wind Cut right through the wind I mean you might play flag football You wanna play flag

Nah Nah Nah Nah I wanna get I want a helmet Helmet and shoulder pads You ain't putting the pads on

I wanna talk I wanna talk Shit What you gonna to do? I think the NFL, they got a flag. I think they got flag football. I look like a flag football player? They thinking about having flag football in the Olympics.

Maybe you can go in the Olympics. Hey, I come off the bench for that. Or maybe I could be the coach. I know you ain't playing. Why not? Oh, Joe. bench for that or maybe i could be the coach i know you ain't playing why not oh joe have you seen me you remember kevin you know kevin hart tried to run he tried to sprint hey kevin hart don't do no sprint i sprint every day and and pull and pull everything i train every day i I'm in shape. I'm in better shape than people that's actually playing

in the NFL. Apple is a shape. Egg is a shape. Pear are shapes. Okay, I'm well conditioned. I'm well conditioned and I stay well conditioned just in case a phone call come. You never know. You never know. When opportunity

comes, guess who's going to be ready? The only people who are going to knock on your door is the bill collector. you never know you never know when opportunity when opportunity comes guess who's gonna be ready the only people who's gonna knock on your door is the bill collector you owe somebody some money ain't nobody else knocking but the old bill collector

the bill collector might not wanna he better not come cause I'ma ask for an extension I'm not paying shit on time pay on time that's how you get your credit score up my credit hey my baby got my credit right

too bro yeah hey my credit made baby got my credit on point why i ain't know i didn't look i didn't know it could look like that and i have a problem and that you know we are uh chat we family and i can share this with you too long listen i thought i Listen, I thought I was trying to beat the system. I was trying to beat the system. No, being smart with my money, being smart in college, not having any credit cards, not having any debt. No, you got to have credit.

Do you know, obviously, me and Rhea, we got together. She say, well, how's your credit? I said, but who? Man, Unc, I had no debt. I had no credit cards. I had no nothing. Man, she done got me credit cards, man. Got me a money line. How do I say it?

Line of credit. Yeah, got me line of credit. She got a few credit cards and added me as a, is it secondary? Yeah. Yeah, added me a secondary. Well, now my credit look good, boy. And it ain't, listen, credit ain't nothing it ain't listen credit ain't nothing but a game credit ain't nothing but a game and you got to be willing to play and you got to have discipline you got to have discipline to play it that's all you got to have discipline to play it

uncultured uncultured jesse unc i'm in shape if you call round of shape yep round of the shape leo asked uncle ocho who in today's game remind you of your guys of yourself most? Ocho, for me, I'd say Jetta. For you, Uncle, I tight-ass aren't route runners as I was. No. Yeah, I think Justin Jefferson kind of reminds me of you. Me? Yeah.

Yeah. A little bit. A little you. Me? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. Strider. Yeah. And you know what's funny?

Sometimes I stride and sometimes I shorten my steps. I shorten my gait on purpose. Yeah, I like that. That's a good one. Yeah. Like you said, I was a wide receiver so i ended up being i ended up being very technical in my routes so i ran routes from a tight end position as if i was a receiver right so yeah guys now guys play bumper cars they try to bang into somebody and bump up man i ain't want nobody first of all i wasn't 240 250 right so my thing was ocho i'm not trying

to get that close to let you grab me right because it's not it's not like it is now guys hey like you saw yesterday uh who's that rashid rice ran that shell across and you saw 44 bumping bumping yeah got a flag they didn't call that you run, coach said, hey, if you can't cover it, knock his ass down. Yeah. So you run that, you run up that three to five yard

shadow cross, boy, they, they gonna plant your you know what in the dirt like a flag. You could do it. How come you can't do it now though?

Because they calling it incidental contact. Yeah. Changed the game. You see? It wasn't like that before. Kansas City was going off the field that

little bump right there that five-yard incidental contract changes a lot right you know it used to be they'll call pass interference and hold it now even if the quarterback's not looking your way when i first got a league my first years if the quarterback wasn't looking your way they wouldn't throw a flag even if the guy was holding you. So it's changed a lot. But like I said, most of these guys now play tight end. I was a wide receiver in college, even though I did play tight end.

Played tight end my senior year in high school. Played tight end my sophomore year in college. But I was a wide receiver. Came in the league as a wide receiver. Ended up moving. And so I was fluid. Oh, man. Ended up moving. And so I was fluid. Oh, man.

I'm running stick seam. I'm running sticks. I'm running bangs. I'm running digs. I'm running comebacks. Yeah. Yeah, you saw that. You saw me jump over that guy from Philly Head. Al? Yeah, Al Harris. Yeah, you saw that. Ain't no tight end running no comeback.

You wouldn't dare put a tight end out there to run a comeback. But they would with O'Shea. O'Shea run that comeback on. Yeah, there ain't too many that could do that right now. No, hell no. Leo asked, start one,

bench one, cut one. Tyreek, Jetta, CeeDee. Damn. Go ahead, Unc, who you got? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's you. You the wide receiver, route runner extraordinaire. The great, the incomparable. Bingo ring of Famer Alright, start one

cut one, no start, bench cut Damn, that's that's messed up, man Yeah, they got it I ain't no wide receiver, so I mean, you had to give me tight ends, I can do the tight ends I can't do this, I'm not qualified to do this.

Who led the league this year? I'm just going to base it off numbers since we do everything off numbers. CD led the league in catches. Tyreek led the league in yards. Okay. You know what I'm going to do? Because Tyreek led the league in yards, I'm going to start Tyreek. Okay. You said CD led it in catches? Yep.

Okay. Then I'm going to bench CD. Oh, you I'm a bench CD. Oh, you're cutting Jetta? Only because he was hurt. It's the only cause. I don't know why you're doing it. I'm just saying that's what you're doing. So, in other words, this is what Ocho's saying.

Only because he was hurt. Leo, this is what he's saying. He's starting Tyreek. He's benching CD. He's cutting Jetta. I'm just basing it off the season. That's why I asked. He's cutting Jetta. I'm just basing it off the season. That's why I asked. That's why I asked.

You know. That's all. That's all. Just, you know. I'm just saying. Ted Jones said, y'all be preaching on here. Y'all both play. So what do y'all say when people say the NFL is rigged?

It's not. Rig'all both play. So what do y'all say when people say the NFL is rigged? It's not. Rigged what? Shit. I wish it was. They rigged it more in my favor. Shit. I was going to say the same thing. Rig it for me.

Yeah. Patterson Yazzie. Uncle Noche, today is my birthday. I just turned 23. Any advice for a young 23-year-old? We're years ahead of him. By the way, would y'all ever consider running a marathon? I'm running the Boston Marathon this year.

No, I ain't running nothing but my mouth. That's the only thing I'm running. I ain't. I run some miles. I got two repaired hips, Ocho. I got both my hips repaired. Oh, yeah, you right, you right, you right. I don't...

Yeah, only running I do is a few miles when I'm boxing. That's about it, man. That's about it. The marathon, that ain't happening. Hell nah. What advice would you give a young 23-year-old that has years ahead of him? 23. Live your life. What? Live your

life. Have fun. Enjoy it because you ain't going to get it again. I wish I was You know, I wish I was 23 again. I wish I was 23 again. Oh, man. I wish I was 23 again, huh? Oh, man.

Man, don't listen. I don't listen. I don't know if we have enough time tonight for me to talk about when I was 23, man. You remember them days in your 20s? Oh, absolutely. And I'm talking when I was 23, man. You remember them days in your 20s? Oh, absolutely. And I'm talking about we were living, man, without a care in the world.

Oh, yeah. I had cares, man. I had responsibility. I was in the league. I got a grandma and a mom. Oh, okay. I see what you mean. But it was still... When you was 23, you had a grandma, a mom.

I don't know if you had kids. I haven't started having kids yet. Of course, you know I had kids now, you know. But I'm just saying. At 23? You had kids at 23? Yeah. Man, my oldest is 27, 25, man.

What you talking about? Oh, is it? I started early, boy. So in college? You in college? Nah, boy. I started in junior high. You know that, bro.

Yeah, you know. Boy, you rather lie to eat when you're hungry. Huh? You know, you know. Listen, I was there. You know what they called me back in junior high in Miami, huh? Lick them down, Ocho. Nah, they used to call me Salamander.

I know. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was that boy. Talking long for days. Nah, I'm just saying, 23, man, those were some good years, man. 23, 24, 25. You know, obviously, I was in the league at the time.

And my focus wasn't number of football uh that's all the way just football yeah just having fun man just going to practice waking up then the off season you know spending time with you know spending time with the kids spending time with the fellas man just all it was different man it was different it was different i don't know i i like i like i like i like the space i'm in now but back then was yeah it was different i don't know i i like i like i like i like the space i'm in now but back then was yeah it was different patterson yazzy happy birthday bro enjoy 23 you're further along than you think you are make sure you get laid too boy uh mike mike love the show uncle nocho this one this is for Unk songs you can only do

tight end start with Travis I'm starting Travis Kelsey I'm benching George Kittle I'm cutting

Mark Andrews damn what that was rude yeah I mean you could have given an explanation as to why you're doing it

you just did it yeah well hey it's simple I ain't got a pause. Man, I told you why I did mine. It was based on statistics from this season. You just went on out there.

I'm basing it over the history. You look at Travis Kelsey. He and Patrick Mahomes have more touchdowns as a duo than anybody else. More than Gronk and Brady. More than Jerry and Joe. Okay.

And the man got eight 1,000-yard season. He was six. I think he was six short. 16 yards short. 16 yards short. I wonder why they didn't let him play to just break that or to keep it going.

I thought he would also. I thought they would let him break it also. Yeah. I mean, I love all these guys. I love the position but Y'all know what I think y'all know that they could never you Betran was the best thing to do in a game Is it the catch a game went over somebody or make somebody fall on the route? Oh the game winner game winner Definitely. You ever caught a game winner, Ocho?

I'm not sure. I can't even remember. I think I've caught a touchdown that ended up winning the game, but not like you know, oh, I caught a touchdown and it was three seconds on the clock. Not like that. Yeah. But I'm sure I had before. I don't know, Ocho. I got a little back. Yeah. Yeah. You can find. I'm sure I have. I'm sure. I'm sure. I'm sure I have before. I don't know, Ocho. I got a little back.

Yeah, yeah. You can find it. I'm sure I have. I'm sure I have. I know when I was at Baltimore, I was a Jaguar killer. Because I caught two game winners against them. The Jags? Yeah.

The Jags was good back then. That's when they had Fred T there. Man, we beat the brakes off them. For real? No, when I was at Baltimore, we never lost to them. Fred T, Jimmy Man, we beat the brakes off them. For real? No, when I was in Baltimore, we never lost to them. Fred T, Jimmy Smith, Kenny McCardell, Kevin Hardy.

Never lost. David Garrard. Never lost. They had Mark Brunel there. Oh, Mark Brunel. Boy, them boys were nice, boy. Yes. And we never lost.

We only lost to the Titans once. With Eddie George? Eddie George, Steve McNair, Derrick Mason. Yeah, we only lost to the Titans once. With Eddie George? Eddie George, Steve McNair, Derrick Mason, yeah. We only lost twice to them. Freak, Javon Kersh. Oh, I forgot about Kersh, man. Yeah. Kersh still look like that still to this day. I seen Kersh

at F1. Man, Kersh rocked up, man. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Boy, you look like you can still play. Man, that ankle injury, man. He was hell. He was a hell of a player. Man, that ankle injury, man. He was hell. He was a hell of a player. Yeah, but you know, I had a couple of little game winners.

I won on KC, too. Hey, who are the tall DBs from KC from back then, man? They was tall. Like Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent tall. Well, I played against Albert Lewis, who was tall, like six. Alba was like 6'2", like my height, 6'2", 6'3". And D.C., Dale Carter.

Dale, that's my boy. D.C. I love Dale, man. Hey, if anybody out there know where Dale Carter at, man, please tell Dale Carter to get in touch with me, man. He probably didn't have, because he's from Newtown, so he's probably in Atlanta somewhere. Damn, I love that dude, man. That's my boy there, man. God probably didn't have, because he's from Newtown, so he's probably in Atlanta somewhere. Damn, I love that dude, man. That's my

boy there, man. Goddamn, Dale. I ain't seen Dale since we played the Ravens when Deion was there. When Deion was wearing 37? Yep. That's my last time seeing Dale when we went at it in that game, and I love dude, man.

I got to find Dale. Uncle Nocho just had my wisdom teeth pulled and it's the worst pain ever. What's the worst injury in your life? I don't know about wisdom teeth. I had mine, but I don't know. I mean,

I done fractured my eye socket. That shit was pretty painful. Damn. Uh, broke my collarbone. Uh, what else I do? Dislocated my elbow.

See, I ain't, Let me knock on wood again. I ain't experienced none of that stuff. Yeah. I mean, look, I be in pain right now. They don't know. You see my pinky finger? Yeah. That's the extent of my injuries right there.

Got caught in somebody's face mask and they was going the other way. My finger went right with it. That's about it. So I can't get it to straighten back. It just stuck like that. You can't grab and pull it to you though. Yeah, yeah. I just use the finger.

You use your hook? Yeah, like two little hooks. Yeah, that's how it is. I just use the fingers. You use your little hooks? Yeah. Like two little hooks. Huh? Huh? Yeah. That's how I take them. That's how I take them Victoria's Secret's off.

You know, you grab, you grab, yeah. Yeah, you grab the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to do this. No, no, no, no. If you do this, they got them Buellers on.

They got them Buellers. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. There you go. And you don't have a shibby, you know, they have them bulers on. They got them bulers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. And, you know, have a shimmy. You know, they have, you know, shimmy up out of them. Hey, hey, hey, you know. Don't move too fast.

And when you're taking them off, you know, you know what she doing. Yeah. Nope. Nope. Don't get shot. Don't get shot now. Ah, no. You got to stand up.

Don't get shot now. Turn around. Turn around. Real. Real. Real. Don't get shot. Don't get shot now. Ah, no, you got to stand up. Don't get shot now. Turn around, turn around. Real, real. Real, don't get shot now. Yeah, you know what that thing called with the little dog that's turning around? In front of you, that's what I did. Turn around, let me see.

Ooh, Lord have mercy. Not low. Oh, that bad Ocho, you see? Woo! Let me take another sip of the water. That was back in the day, Ocho. That was back in the day. I remember.

Man, Lord, how busy. I remember. Man, I remember. I remember the first time I saw somebody in some old Fredricks of Hollywood, Ocho. Right, boy, you had somebody, Fredricks of Hollywood on show. Right, well, you had somebody, Fredricks of Hollywood? Yeah!

Well, what year was that? I paused. I ain't know what, I'm like, I didn't even want her to come up out of it. I just wanted to look at her. Right, what year was this? Man, this had to be, this was like the mid-90s, early 90s.

I'm for the same, but don't nobody go to Frederick Hollywood? Yeah, you back there. Oh, they probably, what they doing now, La Perla? I mean, today, I'm not sure. Listen, you know, this might sound weird to you.

I'm really not a fan of lingerie. I ain't no fan of it either. I'm not really a fan of lingerie. It's like, why are you putting that on? And I'm really not into that. You need to come up out of that. Come up out of that. What are you doing doing you remember the first time you saw it though i mean you kind of get immune to it because you know they but the first time i saw it right man

you the whole country boy for south georgia ain't never seen nothing like that before yeah it's so funny now it's hell nah they wear that out the club they'd be out the club with the laundry hey you scroll twitter, everybody goddamn naked So, I mean, it's like You're numb to the fact Because you see nakedness all day And listen, I'm all For nudity and I'm all for sexual liberation

And your freedom And just doing what you want to do But it's like, there's no more surprises You know, back in the day, it used to be a surprise Everybody was covered up. So you didn't know what to expect. You go to the gym now, Ocho. Yeah.

All the women got them rim shorts on. What you mean by rim shorts? The rim of their ass out? Everybody got a bowl. Yeah. I mean, it's cool. It's cool. I mean, whatever folks are about.

It's the times that we're in now. So you evolve and you adapt with the times that we're in and it's cool. I mean, whatever it's the times that we're in now. So you evolve and you adapt with the times that we're in and it's accepted. I ain't arguing. I ain't arguing. I ain't looking either. I ain't looking. I'm just saying I ain't looking either. Oh, Joe, there's nothing wrong with you, oh, Joe.

We both did the same thing man I'm like man please but like I said I saw it for the first time they came out with the lingerie I ain't know but you shut up man I ain't know

so now don't even waste your money you have to be delicate and take it off and you know I ain't got time for that man I'm tearing that thing up

hey that was funny man you know like you get like you get a burger and you know some people like they take their time and open a wrapper

and unfold each side man I just bust it up out of there right away so whatever you say whatever you say you ain't gonna get me on your side of it cause I just opened. Busting up out of there. Right, right away. So whatever you pay. He ain't going to give me one U side of it because I'm going to tear it up off you. Whatever you pay for, you're wasting your money

because it's coming off. Quick. The fast way. Yeah, yeah. The fast way. Oh, but don't even worry about it. Whatever you pay for, I'm going to double that, but it's going to come up off you in a hurry.

Oh, man. Back in the day, Ocho. Yeah, I remember. Go back. But like I said, now everybody, I mean, Ocho, if you think about it, when you see the women at the club, I mean, I ain't been to the club, but I'm saying. Listen, you ain't been to the club. I ain't been to the

club in years. I'm talking about years. I've been in Miami all my life. This is how bad it is for me. And the lifestyle I chose to live, I'm just born. I've been in Miami all my life. And what I love to hear from my friends,

my teammates, in the offseason when they come back, is the stories about Club Liv. The stories about Eleven. The stories about... We need to go there, Ocho. We gotta go there. Where? Liv. Boy, have you heard Yeah, man, I ain't been... We need to go there, Ocho. We got to go there. Where? Live. Boy, have you heard about the prices?

I ain't going no goddamn live. What the price is? Man, for a section? Yeah. It's about $10,000, $15,000 for a table. Oh, hell no. Yeah, exactly.

I don't even drink alcohol. What I'm doing a live for? What if I stand in the bar? I must pay for standing in the bar. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how it works. I love hearing the stories

about people going to Booby Trap, people going to Lib, people going to Club 11. Like, just all the places, you know, people do go to to enjoy. Ocho dude in the chat talking about, man, she getting that lingerie for multiple dudes. That ain't just for you.

I'm only going to see it. Blah. talking about bands, she get that lingerie for multiple dudes. That ain't just for you. Well, I'm only going to see it because there ain't going to be no one. Blah. And that's crazy. Damn. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

I got to enjoy myself at some point. But just that night. I ain't enjoying myself. No, no, no, Ocho. The nightlife. I just, I don't understand the nightlife, man.

15 bands, Ocho. What good am I going to get out of that? Man, I The nightlife. I don't understand the nightlife, man. 10, 15 bands, Ocho. What good am I going to get out of that? Man, I don't know. I don't understand it. I don't understand. I don't understand the nightlife. I don't understand the alcohol. I don't understand the buying bottles.

I don't understand the bottle wars, you know, with groups of fellas. I don't get it. I don't understand the standing on the couch. I don't understand it because it's something that I don't do. Maybe it's because I don't drink and I'm not in the atmosphere to understand what the point of it all is. I don't know. It's just, it's never been my forte. Definitely mine, Ocho.

Yeah, but that pain, I mean, my hips before I had the surgery, Ocho. Right. Man, that pain there. Bad, huh? Does it affect you when it get cold, like the weather, Ocho. Right. Man, that pain there. Bad, huh? Does it affect you when it get cold? Like the weather, when it gets chilly? No, I don't. No.

Okay, okay, okay. It affected me in other areas. It impacted me. Oh, yeah. You had to take a help. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not no moto. Right. You had to take a half. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Not no moto.

Right. You're good now. Good to go. Patrick, we'll let me say, hey, Uncle Doncho, you guys jersey you're wearing have one thing in common. No more hairlines. Shout out. TT. That's what jersey you got on.

You got on TT. You had on... Oh, so you just had on Zinedine Zidane's jersey the other night. Yep. I think he might have thought this was... Who did he think... TT? Yeah. Who is TT?

T-I-T-I. Maybe he thought it was Th.A.R.E. No. Boy. What else? I ain't snitch on nobody. Not yet. Lady Ray said Ocho is great, but the chat overall.

Ocho, you too nice with his critiques. Shannon, what is the one topic, player or team, that you really wish he would give his brutal, honest critique about? I do. I give an honest critique about everybody. I've gotten better as time has gone on. Ocho, I got to say, you have gotten better. Okay, everybody. I've gotten better as time has gone on. Ocho, I got to complain. You have gotten better.

Okay, okay. I've gotten better. I forgot it was one night I was hot, boy. Oh, yeah, you 30 and hot now. I forgot what night that was. It was somebody, somebody. I was really upset. About it?

The receivers? Oh, yeah. The receivers, that joke had a hard time. Hey, God, we done dropped 12 passes. Man, hey, man, you know people drop passes. 12 of them, Ocho? Like, what the hell? Yeah, it was one night I let it out.

I couldn't hold it no more. There was nothing I could do. I ain't had no choice. Yeah, man. Faith said, hey, Shannon, hey, Ocho, I'm fighting for you in the chat man Help me You're doing your favorite player of the disservice If you're silent when they need correction

Criticism is a compass for greatness You're an expert You got this Thanks Shanna Ocho You hear what they said They said they fight for you They fight for me

They said I'm You're doing your favorite player the disservice if you're silent when they need correction right criticism is a compass for greatness right you're an expert you got this yeah i think hey i've gotten better with it i got i've gotten better with my criticism well i think and i, and I'm looking at the chat, the only person that I wasn't critical of and I always found a way to support them no matter what happened was probably Zach Wilson.

Yeah, good luck with that. Yeah. I would ride for my dog, Zach, man. I'm going to ride for my dog. I'm going to ride for him next year. I don't even care if Aaron Rodgers is playing. He's going to be riding the bench. If Aaron Rodgers fuck up, I'm going to be like, man, put Zach in. No, you ain't going to ride for him next year. I don't even care if Aaron Rodgers did his plan. If Aaron Rodgers fuck up,

I'm going to be like, man, put Zach in. No, you ain't going to do that. You ain't going to do that. Rel just donated $200 and said, as an honorary member of NICAP, I'm included in all festivities

in Vegas. Just FYI. Festivities, boo-hoo. You? Wait, she invited herself yep she says honorary member of nightcap i'm included in all festivities wait time out time out time out time out time out yep i didn't even i didn't even did she even i didn't even ask she didn't even ask if she can go and i didn't even invite her yet so how is she just going to like put herself in the festivities without even knowing what we got going on it might have been just for the fellas it might have just been me you the fellas and and and and she just

invited herself first of all you don't hang with no dudes i don't really i don't hang with no dudes i ain't got nobody but jordan so who else you who else you bringing no dudes. I ain't got nobody but Jordan. Who else you bringing? I ain't bringing nobody else, but I mean, at least, are you not going to wait until I ask first? So she donated the money to lessen the blow. To lessen the blow a little bit.

For me to be more accepting. I'm coming with Jordan, Ash, my sister, and a makeup lady. Okay. I'm coming with Jordan, Ash, my sister, and a makeup lady. Okay. I'm coming. Well, I'm coming with my makeup lady. Hey, speaking of Vegas, you know what I'm wearing to Vegas?

What you wearing? I'm telling you all ahead of time, so don't be talking about, oh, I'm going to get a piece made. A piece made where? A piece, like a piece. Oh, you're talking about a hair piece. A hair piece. Oh, you're going to get a lace front? Yeah, like a clean one with a line up.

With the waves? Yeah, with the waves, a little part. Hey, but hold on, listen. I'm going to be clean as the border hell, though. I'm going to be clean. I'm going to be clean. I'm going to be clean. Like, you're going to want to make fun of me because I got the piece,

but I'm going to be so clean. You ain't going to look right with hair. Yeah, I am. No, you're not. Yeah, I'm going to look younger. Like, I look like that. I look 32 right now. When I get the hair piece and a little part with the waves, I'm going to probably look probably 22, 21. Because here's the thing though, Ocho. People are so

used to seeing you without hair. Right. Now, if you went somewhere and they hadn't seen you and you had it on, people wouldn't think anything about it. Right. But because people have seen you for the last five, six years and you've been bald, man, you show up there with a lace on?

Yeah. I'm going to be clean. What are they going to say? You can't make fun of me. I'm Ocho. I mean, the joke's going to fly, but I'm going to be so flat because it's gonna fly but i'm gonna be i'm gonna be so flat because it's me what you're gonna say and then the piece and then what i'm the the drip when was the last time you had hair ocho uh what season was that maybe that 2010 season i had i had the scruffy beard i had uh yeah i got over it i got over yeah that's it was blotchy as hell.

Yeah, I ain't care. I ain't care. I was just roughing it. You probably look like you had the mange of your beard. Yeah, yeah. It grow patchy too. Did you have good hair?

Yeah, yeah. I got... Yeah, I got a little Cherokee in me. I got a little Cherokee in me. You drove a Cherokee? No, no. I ain't drive no Cherokee. I got a little Cherokee Indian in me.

I can already tell you had bad hair. You had that police hair. My hair go straight. no, I ain't drive no Cherokee. I got a little Cherokee Indian in me. I can already tell you have bad hair. You had that police hair. My hair go straight. No, I ain't got no police. My hair go straight, like real thin. You know what police hair is? What that mean? Shit, roll up and park anywhere on your head.

I already know you got a bad grade of hair. I already know. I got a good grade of hair. Matter of fact, I'm trying to think. No, I'm just saying, like if you look at- You ain't got no good grade of hair. I can just look at you and tell.

I'm telling you, I got a good grade of hair. You can look at me and tell. Then you would know I got a good grade of hair. No, you don't. Look at my daughter's hairs. Look at all my daughter's hair.

That's the mama. Look at my- Man, my daughter, my oldest daughter had that pass up. Ask Jordan. If you were to see my daughter say i'm not your mama look at my man my daughter my oldest daughter had that pass up if if as jordan if you were to see my daughter they think when she had all the curls right she had it straightened into her butt yeah that's a mama but but that no not not me look at french fry if you look at look at my my youngest daughter look at rail but not real ball headed rail got cuban rail jamaican or something i mean jamaica dominican youngest daughter here. Look at Rail. Nah, Rail bald-headed. Rail got Cuban, Rail Jamaican

or something. I mean not Jamaican, Dominican or Puerto Rican. Oh, they got good hair. The Puerto Ricans. The more Puerto Ricans. I'm the one do Rail hair. I do Rail hair so I know. Dude, I got great, I have a great, great hair.

I'm telling you. Man, you had beachy back here call me to the front i got a good gray to hell trust me i look at your son i want to see your sons give me show me a picture put up a picture of your son my son got dreads my son dreads long both of them they got dreads i got good hair though i got good hair. No bullshit. No. Like I said, no. I'm just saying. My youngest daughter, French Fry, her hair is the way it is.

The texture, the length at such an early age is the way it is. El Mama. Man, real bald-headed, man. I do real hair. I do real hair. You tell me the Puerto Rican and Dominican that ain't got no good hair. I'm telling you. You not listen to me.

I'm the one that does. I'm her stylist. I'm the one that does her wigs. I do her installs. I do. I'm the one that does her fillings. Name a Puerto Rican woman. I do her extensions.

How you going to tell me about my people? Name a, I have yet to see a Puerto R woman or dominican woman that did not have good hair okay i see you you could you confuse them because it's straight because it's straight like that don't that don't make it good that don't make it good you lying to me no sometimes that's stuff that you had on your head huh oh but listen my shit was soft like you gotta take bro i already know you had to take a hand build a comb your hair just a piece of head man we call it we know back in the day we call a piece of head now i got good i got good hair man i just i do not i take good care of my hair um i give it good treatments and uh you know i'm just telling you when I did have hair at the time, I... Ocho, your hair won't grow no more.

Let it go. Come on now. Come on now. You know my hair grow now. Don't do that. Don't do that to me. My hair will grow. Man, they in here talking about...

They say, JJ, they say, Chad, you had KD hair. Who? What's wrong with KD hair? Which KD they talking about? Kevin Durant. Man, I don't even watch basketball. How the hell am I going to know about KD hair. Which KD they talk about? Kevin Durant. Man, I don't even watch basketball. How the hell am I going to know about KD Hair? Well.

What's wrong with it? Google it. Man, I ain't Googling that, man. Mm-hmm. See? Y'all should make a nightcap sneaker. What color would you make it? Kenny Jones asked.

Black. Mm-hmm. Black. Mm-hmm. Black. Nice and simple. King K underscore 2000. Hey, I'm a big fan. Can you shout out my wife?

Her name is Queen for always giving the best time for always giving the best times of my life. Queen. Queen. Shout out to you, Queen. I mean, she got a name like Queen. She coming through, huh? Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen Queen

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real? Liam Neeson or John Wick? Shit, I'm taking Liam. I'm taking John Wick. John Wick, kill everybody. Yeah, listen, either way, the end result gonna be the same. She coming back home.

Yeah. I might wait a while. It all depends. You don't want to come back too soon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, man, hey. They talking about, hey, if somebody kidnap your kids,

how about you pay out of the hell? Hey, I give you another $50,000, come pick the other ones up. You're the mother of the bad of the book. You'll bring them back, and then you're going to pay me when you drop their ass off. That's funny. Marcy, ugly no joke,

who do you trust more as a business partner? Ghost from Power or Franklin from Snowfall? Damn, I ain't never saw, I ain't never see power. I haven't either. Franklin, my dog, yeah, I love the Franklin from Snowfall.

Oh, man, you know, that type of business there is different, boy. Oh, yeah. That type of, no matter, the closest people to you, boy, they'll play right in front of your face, boy. Yeah. I don't like that. I had Country Wayne. Yeah.

And Wayne, you know, somebody hit him up for 15 grand and was close to him. Yeah. He said, oh, man, sometimes you got to help people not be who they are. Right.

You got to help people not to let you down. So you put that money in front of them, you know, sometimes they talk this selfish to a man. be who they are. Right. You got to help people not to let you down. Mm. So you put that money in front of them, you know, sometimes they talk this selfish to a man. That ain't his. It's all good.

Mm. That's what hurt. You know, somebody that you know. Right. Mm. Boy, I've been very,

I've been, huh? 15,000? Family member? He didn't say he didn't say who it was but he cut him off. But you know

at the time this was before he became Wayne so you know he was a street pharmacist. Yeah he was doing his little thing. Yeah.

But that doesn't change anything you know no matter how you know you don't you know Somebody allow you to come around them like that and you do some stuff like that You know coming back from that you're too carnival yeah for sure you kind of How many people got a chat ash

Okay How many people we got in the chat, Ash? Okay. We about here. Hold on. How many subs we got? 891. Oh, Joe, we nine away from 900K. Hey, we gonna get that. You know what I mean? Gonna get it. We gonna get to 900. We'll get to 900 by tomorrow.

By tomorrow, by the time I get our first take, we'll be at 900 easy. When the next show? You and I going next, Thursday, right? Thursday. You and I be Thursday. Okay.

Oh, we definitely, we have it by tomorrow. We'll be 900 tomorrow. Hey, we gonna get that million. We gonna get that million. It gonna be close. Yeah, it gonna be close, Ocho. We gonna be close.

I'm gonna ask a favor from a good friend of mine that's a YouTuber and just ask him, listen, man, do me a solid, man. Ask your people, man, hit that subscribe button for Nightcap, and that's going to shoot us over that million before we get to Super Bowl. Watch. Yeah. Guaranteed. Well, hey, if you're in the chat and you haven't subscribed,

make sure you hit that subscribe button. Make sure you hit the like button. Uncle Ocho would greatly appreciate that. We really, really appreciate that. Any more questions? Any more questions, Ash? You got work tomorrow? I do.

I do got to work tomorrow. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We're now at 891,000 subs, 9,000 away, Ocho. Please make sure y'all subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. We do have a feed through Club Shay Shay, but Nightcap

has its own feed that you can listen to Nightcap through. We've also pinned Shay by LaPortia link at the top of the chat. So thank you. With the holidays right around the corner, birthday, Valentine's, St. Patrick's Day, Super Bowl, make sure you go out and get yourself a bottle or someone special a bottle.

Ladies, get your guy a bottle of Che by LaPortier. Hold on. Embiid goes off for 70 points with Ocho in attendance. He had 70 points, 18 rebounds, 5 assists, became the 14th player to score at least 70 points in a ball game.

Congratulations, Joel Embiid. Carl Anthony Towns tried to match, but he ended up short. He had 62 on tonight, but they lose, fall to the Hornets. Tyler Bass deactivated all social media accounts. He was the Buffalo Bills kicker that missed a 44 yard field goal i think it was that would have tied tied the game up so but bills mafia they standing on 10 toes they 10 toes down for him because there are a couple of knuckleheads out there that thought it would be okay to threaten a man. And so he deactivated his account. But Bills Mafia is standing tall on him.

I really appreciate that, Bills Mafia. You guys are great. Although we got one question, I think, Ash just put up here on the board. JJ Carver said, watching from Okinawa, Japan, Marine Corps, Cap Butler. I work in behavioral health. And that Cat Williams podcast came up in a meeting. You all are reaching us globally. We love the show.

Just a country boy from Japan. JJ, I really appreciate that. Actually, I was in a meeting today with my agent. And a guy stopped by, a white guy stopped by and opened the door. He said, man, I just wanted to tell you that Cat Williams interview was unbelievable. He said, keep up the great work. You know, I mean, so many people's airport. It doesn't matter.

People stop and give us kudos about that. So I thank Cat for the three hours that he sat down with us. I really appreciate that. And hopefully he's benefiting through shows, tour date, ticket sales, just like what he's done because he's put Club Che Che. We were on the map a little bit. But, bruh, we global now. Oh, yeah.

And, Cat, I can't thank you enough and your team, so I really appreciate that. Thank my wife, Queen. Thank you for my shout-out. Queen, shout-out. You made our day. We're from Fort Worth, Texas. All right, Queen.

So you got to get on your grind tonight. Yeah. Hey, King K, got a shout-out from Uncle Ocho. Go on and hook him up. Oh, no, no go frogs. No go frogs. No, we're no go frogs. No go frogs. No, we're not going frogs. I'm sorry.

Please make sure y'all hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. We want to thank you for joining us tonight. I'll be back Wednesday with the basketball edition. Ocho and I'll be back Thursday night with our normal edition. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite aunt, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, rock runner extraordinaire. In attendance tonight when Joel Embiid had a historic night,

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