Nightcap - Nightcap NBA Playoff Recap - Part 1: Ant-Man ready for Steph & Warriors

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson recap the NBA Playoffs, including the upcoming matchup between Stephen Curry and the Golden State Warriors vs. Anthony Edwards and the Minnesota Timberwolves, Russell Westbrook coming alive for the Denver Nuggets elimination game vs. the Los Angeles Clippers, and much more!01:41 - Ant-Man on the Warriors19:26 - Russ describes the Russell Westbrook Experience27:00 - Jrue Holliday set to return after injury31:00 - Number of Players Declaring for the NBA Draft by Year35:00 - Warriors on the brink of blowing another 3-1 lead(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ant, I want to go get the Warriors. Wherever they at, I want to get them. Reporter, why the Warriors? Ant, because Draymond talks so much trash, and that's pretty much the only reason. I like, see, man, that's... Joe, what you expecting? That's what I'm talking about, man. We need,

we need more of that. Some, everybody, everybody likes to just play the game of basketball, but when you bring that entertainment value

like that, that makes you want and hope that the Warriors and the Wolves have a series, it's because of somebody like that

that can talk it and they can walk it. It just makes it that much better. That's why I say I would love for him to be the face of the league. No disrespect to Jason Tatum, great player, NBA champion, you know, NBA champion, all-star,

you know, Olympic team. He has all these accolades, but it just doesn't add up to that aura and it factor that A&M has. Like, that's, that's... Man. Listen. Buddy Raw, man.

Hey, hey. For the story, okay, Ocho, this one here is going to go down in the books. See, the one team that was at home tonight cheering was the Timberwolves.

They were cheering for the Warriors for a number of reasons. They play the Warriors, they get home court advantage. See, the Timberwolves. They were cheering for the Warriors for a number of reasons. They play the Warriors, they get home court advantage. See the Warriors, nothing to them. But if the Rockets would have won, they would have had to go to Houston. You see what I'm saying? So Timberwolves got home court advantage. They know and understand, you know, the moment and what it presents.

And like I say, Ant-Man got this hit list. He finna add. He got a couple more people he finna add to this list. He finna add to it. He finna add to it. Hey, when they series start, Joe? Probably Tuesday. So, look.

Think about this, Arcaocho. That series is going to start Tuesday. You just coming off a seven-game grueling series against the Rockets. Probably going to wear you down a little bit. The Timberwolves have been at home kind of resting. They got their feet up a little bit, but they're going to be ready. They're probably going to look a step or two faster than the Warriors on game one. Yeah. Yeah.

Now, why did Rudy Gobert go out there and forget how to play basketball Draymond take him completely out of the game oh no this finna be WrestleMania we was just

talking to Bianca we we was just talking to Bianca what about a week or two ago oh man this finna be

WrestleMania this must see TV Rudy Gobert and Draymond Green oh yeah y'all already know how this thing gonna go down

yeah in the span of 12 months the Wolves have sent home Kevin Durant Nicola Jokic and Draymond Green. Oh, yeah. Y'all already know how this thing gonna go down. Yeah. In the span of 12 months, the Wolves have sent home Kevin Durant, Nikola Jokic, Luka Doncic, and LeBron James. Ant-Man is looking

to add Steph Curry to his list. Let me ask you a question. How many games? Who wins and in how many games? I'm gonna start with you. Who wins

and how many games? Oh, man, this is a good one. Listen, with Anthony Edwards playing the way he's playing, Rudy Gobert, if he can have another game,

maybe not 27 again, but he contributed on both ends of the court, giving him second chance points, rebounding defensively. Everyone else contributing as well. I say there's going to be

another seven-game series, and I got Ant-Man. I got Ant-Man pulling it off, adding another one to the hit list. What you got, Joe? I don't got no seven-game series. I got this. I got the T-Wolves winning this in about five or six games. Damn, five, six?

Yeah, what's wrong? I only said the seven because Steph and Draymond and them boys are used to playing in this type of atmosphere. So I'm saying they're going to stretch it all the way to seven. But if you say five or six, you know better than me because you played. I'd just be in the YMCA. Hey, this is just my opinion, Ocho. I want it to be true.

Now, allow me the right to be wrong, all right? Right, right, right, right. But in my assessment, I'm thinking of, okay, seven-game series. Butler didn't look like he moving good, even though he played a decent game tonight. He played a good game tonight. Him and Steph looked like they kind of hobbled and gimballed a little bit. And going into playing against these T-wolves,

they're going to be ready, man. They hungry. They ready. They sitting and waiting. It's going to be tough. I think they expect it because my thing is who's gonna do who's guarding you Randall right

that's what I want to know because if you go big you put Kevon Looney in there to deal with because now you mess up your spacing because if you put Looney in there and you have Draymond to bang with Ju Ju Randall the low

you got to be ready to bang with him it's going to be it's going to be a tough one it's going to be some no's and no's in this series you know because well I can definitely see Randall and Draymond getting to it you know

I think one of the weapons for the Warriors, man, they're going to have to try to find a way to get Kaminga back into the fold because they're going to need him in this series coming up, man. You know, and it kind of showed today. They kind of needed him early, but

I think they're going to need him throughout this series. You know, he's got youth on his side. He's played in big moments. He knows what he's capable of doing. I think they need his productivity, you know, especially coming up in this series. He hadn't played in a while.

I know they've been throwing him out there here and there. But they got to try to find some consistent minutes for him. I like the T-Wolves also because I don't know when they go to the bench, Nas Reed, who's going to deal with him. Right. Because not only can he shoot the three and stretch the floor, he can also go down and post. So now you got to think about it.

That's Moody, that's Kaminga that's trying to deal with a big, a true big. Yeah. And that's why I favor the T-Wolves because of them big bodies that they have that they can throw at them. They big bodies can score and they can play, man. So, and they guards sit down and they play deep. McDaniels, Edwards. Alexander Walker.

Yeah, Alexander Walker, Devin Tito. You know, those are some guys, you know, obviously we're going to win you games throughout a series. So, I give the Tvin Chico. You know, those are some guys, you know, obviously, who are going to win you games throughout a series. So, I give the T-Wolves the edge, man. I think it's going to be a fun one to watch.

Gary Payton II didn't play tonight. He was dealing with an illness. He's going to get a lot of minutes on Ant-Man. They're going to try to wear Ant-Man down. They'll probably have Kamingo deal with him. They'll have Moody deal with him.

They'll have Gary Payton II deal with him. They're going to try to throw difference because I don't thinko deal with him. They have Moody deal with him. They'll have Gary Payton II deal with him. They're going to try to throw difference because I don't think anybody can stop him. You're going to try to get the ball out of his hand wherever you can, make somebody else beat you. Lakers did that, and McDaniels had a great series. Nas Reed knocked down some big shots.

Obviously, Drew Ramble gave you what he gave you, probably averaged 22 and 8 for that series. It's going to be a very, very interesting matchup. It's going to be a chance. I'm going to see how Finch is going to do with Steph, how he's going to defend Steph because Buddy Hill's like, I'm going to make y'all pay.

Y'all make it seem like I can't shoot no three. Y'all know I can shoot these three. Man, listen, if you don't scratch in game six, how we expect for you to come out and give us third in game seven? Come on, man. Yeah. You know, we ain't nobody expecting that. Like, this man is out of it.

No, he out of it. Hey, when you hit that shot, what was that? At the end of the half? Yeah. I said, oh, man. I said, oh. Hey, it's good. It's good.

You living right, huh? You living right? Yeah, yeah. I said, oh. Oh, hey, for a guy who couldn't make a shot at game six to hit that, like, yeah, that's a confidence builder. Hey, listen. So now you know.

Because he had 23 in the first half. He didn't give you none in the third quarter. I don't think he scored any in the third. Did he score in the third quarter? I think he got his 11 in the fourth. He said he done it. He said, I got y'all this lead. I don't think he scored any in the third quarter. Did he score in the third quarter? I think he got his 11 in the fourth. He said he done it. He said, I got y'all this lead. I spotted y'all. So, okay.

Steph and Jimmy, y'all cares. I don't know how much the NBA is a copycat league as you watch a series and knowing you're playing the following team coming up next like the NFL is. You see something work on another team and then you just copy that and do the same thing.

Well, you know how to slow Steph down, maybe not stop him, but contain him and just do the same thing the Rockets are doing defensively. The Wolves are capable of doing that. They're capable of doing the same thing. I think the Rockets, the Wolves might have better defenders, individual defenders. Jay McDaniels is a better individual defender than anybody that... Wait, individual defenders. Jay McDaniels is a better individual defender than anybody that—

Wait, individual defender. I don't think there's really nobody off the dribble that can stay with Steph regardless, regardless of who it is. No, no, look. Ain't nobody really dealing with nobody one-on-one. He's the best of the best. Okay, okay. You just—you try to make it as tough as possible.

So if he gives you 20—if he averages 27, you try to hold him to 23. Or if he gets his 27, you try to make it as inefficient as possible. But you go out there and say, oh yeah, oh, you average 27, you ain't get but 12. Okay, good luck with that. Nah. But I think T-Wolves got the defenders to

wear him down throughout a series. Long-ranging guys who are going to be p know, wear him down throughout a series, you know, long range, you guys, you know, who are going to be pesty, pick him up, you know, just don't give him nothing easy,

man. I watch when I'll be watching the game. They take stuff out of the game. They'd be playing four on four. I done. That man be standing there. Of course, his man don't even be looking at the ball,

but, uh, I got, I got, I got the team wolves and may the young fella legacy continue. I think he's

going to be special in this series. I do too. Ant is a big game performer. I think the best thing that happened to Ant was going to the Olympics and being around KD, being around LeBron, being around Steph Curry. Like, okay, I'm where I belong.

I got to do it. Yep. A monster grace. Yes. And so how they approach it, how they get themselves prepared, how they go about their business. Now, look, that's not what he is. He's not going to be

as buttoned up as LeBron and Steph. But you just got to accept it for who he is. That's who he is. And you heard what you just said? Yes. He doesn't have to be as buttoned up. And he refused to be that. He's authentic to himself, which is why

he's so relatable to everyone else. Why everybody's going to be a fan. And that way you'd have some people that have to bring up stuff that has nothing to do with on the field. And I mean, on the field, on the court, Anthony Edwards,

but man, I, I love and appreciate anybody that remained truly themselves and who they are without conforming to how they think you should be as an NBA player. Yeah. But no, I don't, I don't just necessarily think it's an NBA player because every player is not

held to the same standard as LeBron and a Steph Curry. Everybody wasn't held to the standard like Jordan. Everybody wasn't held to the standard like Bird, Imagine, or Kobe. There's difference. But when they say, okay, when they talk about the NBA and they have these pictures up there, your face is front and center.

When the NBA marketing campaign, they want you front and center. It's different now. You got to realize these guys, like those old guys, they got married. Now these guys, they playing video games. Jordan ain't playing no video games. Magic and Bird, these old guys weren't playing no video games, man. These guys now, they playing card and they playing Fortnite against somebody else. Somebody from a whole different team.

Hey, man, what's your name? What's your tag? All right, come on, check this out. It's a different time now. And I think we have to change our way of thinking of what the face of the NBA is because the old faces, those guys aren't like that anymore. No, no. Hey, look, whether he likes it or not, you know,

when you're chosen, you're chosen, bro. And you can do nothing you can do about it. And the route that he's taken, whether he likes it or not, he complete this mission right here. It's going to happen whether he likes it or not. And that just comes with the game. It's part of it, man. You know what I mean?

Yeah, look, when you chosen, Joe, you can't run from that. You remember Jonah? God told him, say, he's like, nah, nah, let somebody else. So what he going to do? He going to get the boat and go. Now where's the camera? Now when he split his ass, let somebody else. So what he gonna do? He gonna get the boat and go. Now,

when he spit his ass back up on the shore, what'd he do? He went and did what Jesus asked him to do. You see, when you chosen, when you that show calling,

you can't run from it. Hey, listen, you might not answer the phone. It's your calling. You might not answer the phone. Don't worry about it. He'll take care of the rest. Yeah. So you can't, You might not answer the phone. Don't worry about it. He'll take care of the rest.

Yeah. So you can't run from that. I understand because he's like, man, look, I want to go. I want to be free. I want to do what I want to do without y'all looking over my shoulder and cameras everywhere I go because I might come out of a little hole in the wall. And, you know, I'm facing the NBA. I ain't supposed to be in the hole in the wall. You know what I'm saying?

Joe, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I understand. But when the universe pick you, baby, the NBA ain't supposed to be in the hole with the ball. You know what I'm saying? Joe, you know what I'm saying? Hey, I understand. But when the universe pick you, baby, they pick you. Yeah. You got to tread like. Is Ant-Man the best big game player in the NBA currently? Best big game player in the game currently. Man, we've had some guys play some big games.

Yeah, I think I probably give him the nod. I think because he just accepts it, man. He's a little different than some of the other superstars that we have in the league. And I think that's why people gravitate to the rawness of who he is and how he speaks his mind and how he carries himself and how he talks trash throughout the games. Oh, yeah, I'm looking. I'm looking to play the warrior.

It don't matter who you are. I know. Y'all seen what Obama said. He said, look at this guy right here. He can play a little bit. He said, you better stand down. I'm the troop. Yeah.

He talking about, stop playing with me. So, we love that. We gravitate toward it and we all want to see him do good, man, because he has the talent and night in and night out, bro, he gives us something spectacular.

You know what I mean? Because not only can he make the three, he can play above the rim. He put your ass on the post tonight. You go up there if you want to. I'm telling you, you're going to be on his card. You're going to be on his card. I think the underrated thing, I think his underrated attribute is his defense.

Okay, old Joe. Oh, yeah, sure. I'm saying on any level, whether it's blocking shots, whether it's locking down, playing his one-on-one defense, fighting over picks. Like, he showed me some of that Lakers series, and I was like, yeah, young fella taking the next step. And that's what it is,

playing on both ends, being a two-way superstar. You know what I mean? Not just a two- playing on both ends, being a two-way superstar. You know what I mean? Not just a two-way player, but he's a two-way superstar because he impacts the game on both ends of the floor. Just like in that last closeout game against the Lakers, he didn't play great offensively, but defensively he was disruptive. He made plays offensively, and he did enough for them to win. It didn't take for him to, you know, wow you on the stat sheet.

Yeah, I think that's the best part when you can tell about a player, when you can find other ways to impact the game, even when you're not doing what you're known for, which is scoring. Can I impact the game, Mocho, if I don't have 10 catches? How's my blocking? how's my decoy am I getting out of there make everybody think I'm I'm about to right I'm about to get this wrong when I know I'm just clearing for somebody else to run the shallow or to run that deep over but I didn't make sure I get that safety up out of there and pull that linebacker is that is that is that really so you got to find way other ways to impact the game. Because sometimes guys only see their value if I'm catching pass, if I'm scoring points.

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I say, hey, he might shoot an air ball. He might turn it over. You're like, no, run, don't shoot. Come on, run. And then when you least expect it, he'll go four or five from the three. He'll get two steals. He'll make some big plays. Go back and look at the series.

Hey, he played unbelievable. Short-term memory. He has it. He's short-term.. He has it. He's short-term. He got it. You know, just like in football from week to week, you got to put it behind you. Short-term memory.

We got another game. Well, in basketball, you play every other night or considering in a basketball game in possessions, Russ, if he come down, miss a wide open layup, he going to hustle back, try to get the block

or a steal. It's a lot. It's a lot. It is. And you have to accept that, dude. You have to accept, you have to take the good with the bad. But just know one thing, he give you everything he got. Come on, hey, Russ, pick it up a little bit.

Russ has never had a coach to tell him to pick it up. He might have to say, come on, hey, Russ, pick it up a little bit. Russ has never had a coach to tell him to pick it up. He might have to say, son, calm down. Hey, come on down. Settle down. You okay? You might have to tell him to settle down or calm down, but you're never going to have to tell him to pick it up because he's going to give you that effort,

and you can appreciate that. And sometimes in trying to give you everything he got, he's a little out of control. He'll fumble the ball out of it. I mean, the other night, he had two point blank layups. Missed them both in game six. But he come right back down. He going to get you extra possessions

because he going to battle somebody for the rebound. I saw him last night on the line. He going to get the rebound. He ain't got no business whatsoever. When you ever seen a six-point guard in the box trying to get a real miss free throw? Hey, and that's why you got to love him. That's why you got to love him. He going to be.

Is Russ the X Factor? The Nuggets against the Thunder. Is he the X Factor? Maybe. If he play well, obviously, they always got a great chance of winning. But I think this Thunder team is their time. It's their moment. They've been sitting around waiting.

I know we can go off rust or, you know, whatever the case may be. But I think this is a young team who's prepared and understands the moment. And they're going to come out ready. Yeah, it's going to be – it's definitely going to be interesting to see. Obviously, you need Yoke and Murray to do what they do. I think probably Gordon has been really consistent over the last three to four games. He's been really consistent in that last series against the Clippers.

He needs to play really well. A big-body guy that can defend now, but his offense is playing well. He's knocking down the three. He crashes the glass. If I had to say the next fact, I think they need Michael Porter Jr. Yeah.

Yeah. Because sometimes he drifts. Right. But when he's in... Go ahead. I agree. If he can get them some consistent productivity in this series to where they're able to compete,

they're always going to have a great chance. I think we all know what Yoki's going to do. He's going to make them dudes around him better. And if he has to score 40 or 50, we know he'll do that as well. But I like how the series went throughout the regular season, how they played and how OKC

competes against them. So I just don't think they got nobody who could deal with Shea on the perimeter if I'm just being honest. You know what I mean? I think he's going to be able to pretty much have his way. Yeah, you probably could have put Gordon on him sometime. But even him, I just don't think they're going to have nobody who can stop him.

No, I think Brown will start because he seems to be their best defender. But that's what happens when you let KCP go and you let – what's the other guy named? They ended up letting him go. Bruce Brown. Bruce Brown, yeah. They let him go. And so now it's really, you've left up to Christian Brown

because he's really the only defender. We're like, they're going, but I don't think they're going to put Gordon on the point. They normally put Gordon on the big guy if it's LeBron or if it's a KD. Guys like your Jason Taylor. I'm saying if he get it going, though, I'm saying if he get it going in one of them games, you can't stop him.

You're going to have to... You're trying to put that light out. You're going to have to put some size on him. You know what I mean? Because them guys, they ain't no good doing them. Six, six, six. No, no, no. He's 6'7".

He's going to get to his spots and raise up. And them little dudes ain't going to be able to do nothing with that. Right. I just got to make it tough. I got to keep him from the rim, and I got to keep him off the free throw line. If he making threes and pull-ups, I can't take every damn thing away.

You got to live with that. But he's the one dude who has mid-range game down to the tee. If nothing, if he can't get his three off and get to the basket, he gonna always be able to get to his middie. So, this is what I'm talking about. That's the step that I was talking

about that I want, you know, Jalen Green to make and just being able to get to that mid-range because he's so athletic, bro. He can get up once he go into his shot. You can't block that. Right. You gotta put that time in the lab, though. O joe who you like in this series oh joe oh i'm going with the young bulls i'm going i'm going with the young bulls even though like

when you ask a question about the x factor i think the x factor would be russ obviously with russ coming off the bench we know yoga yoga no good joke we're gonna do um if they have a chance to win this series if the nuggets do have a chance to win this series, if the Nuggets do have a chance, I think Russell would have to be the difference maker. He'd have to be

the difference maker. Obviously, Porter has to do what he needs to do. Murray is going to be Murray. And you know what Joker could do. I really think

Russell Westbrook has to be that X factor in order for him to even have a chance to win this series. But I'm going with OKC. The thing that makes OKC so tough is that they got guys coming off the bench

that sit in the chair. They're mainly there. Yeah. They sit in the chair, but they can knock down threes. You look at Caruso. You look at Isaiah Joe. You look at Wiggins.

They got guys, man. They really... Wallace, yes. And you still got Lou Dort. They got guys, man. They really. Wallace, yes. And, you know, you still got Lou Dort. You got Jalen Williams. So they got six guys that are 3 and D guys. There ain't very many teams that have that many guys that are 3 and D guys. And they got two guys. It sounds like you're going with Denver.

It sounds like you're going with OKC, too. It's hard to go against Joe Gator. It is. It's hard. Because you can see it. It's hard. In some sense, you can kind of see him going in there and showing out. You can kind of see him.

Because it's MVP. Yeah. It's the two lead candidates for the MVP. Let me show you. Hey, let me show you why I should win it. 45, 19, and 13. Hey, listen. We wouldn't be surprised if we

see no stat numbers, but yeah, I totally understand that they're definitely capable of winning the series. I just seen some holes in their defense or in their... Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They definitely have some lapses. Absolutely.

True Holiday is set to return from injury. Game one versus the Knicks. Holiday will make his return to the floor after missing the final three games of Boston's first-round series with a hamstring strain. How important is it for them? Because he's

probably going to match up with Brunson. He'd probably take Brunson. But you got a bunch of guys you can throw at Brunson. You probably going to match up with Brunson. He'd probably take Brunson. But you got a bunch of guys you can throw at Brunson. You can throw Derrick White at Brunson. You can throw Holiday at Brunson. You can put Jalen Brown on Brunson. You put Holiday coming off an injury out there in front of Brunson, you're going to pull something.

You're going to pull something. You can put Derrick White on him. He's going to sauce Derrick White up too. You can put Derek White on him. He's going to sauce Derek White up too. You can put Jalen Brown out there on him too.

He's going to sauce Jalen Brown up there too. You got to understand, everybody, you're naming

players that are really good. You're naming players that are defensive players. But everyone Jalen Brunson goes against,

he's going to get to his spot. He's going to drive. He's going to use his body. He's going to

do what he always do. Regardless of who it is out I'm trying to make him as inefficient as possible. That's all I'm trying to do. He's going to get to his spot. He gonna drive. He gonna use his body. He gonna do what he always do. I'm trying to make him as inefficient as possible. That's all I'm trying to do. He gonna get to his spot. Hey, he get 33.

I'm trying to make him take 30 shots to get it. That's all I just trying to weigh him down. He's just trying to get different looks, different bodies. Hopefully, look, they just come out of grueling series as well. He was banged up a little bit in that series. So he carried on to the next series.

You know that? Hey, we got to make it tough on him. I'm trying to hound him. Like Joe said, he just came out of seven-game series. He's averaging 40, 42 minutes a night. Yeah. So, hey, pick him up. D. White, you got it.

Hey, Jalen, you got it. Holiday, you take it. Oh, yeah, we just going to, hey, Payton Pritch Hey, Jalen, you got it. Holiday, you take it. Oh, yeah, we just going, hey. Peyton Pritchard, hey, be passive. Just buzz around like a nab. Annoy the hell out of him. Hey, I'm sure the Celtics are happy to have him back because, like you said, Jalen Brunson is the one guy

that really can create his own shot. It's going to be interesting to see the matchup. They'll probably put OG on Jalen, on Tatum. This is why they got him. I'm thinking probably

take Josh Hart, probably have him on Jalen Brown. Who Bridges going to go on? Who you putting Bridges on? Oh, Bridges. You know what? I think Bridges might,

you know what? Bridges might take Jalen Brown. Yeah. And then Josh Hart take Derrick White. Yeah. And OG on Tatum. Yep. Yeah.

This is why they want to get OG. Hey, but here's the thing. Who y'all, and I guess Brazilians and Cat. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Or Al Horford and Cat. Yeah. What you got?

What you got, you got Knicks, Knicks and six. I got the Celtics. Oh, my bad. Okay. I got the Celtics.

Yo. I got the Celtics. I don't know how that. The five over with. It's over with. It's over with. I got the Celtics. I got the with. It's over with. I got to sell this to Ojo. You know, a very experienced team, you know, obviously.

And they've been playing well. They know what these battles are like. And they've had the Knicks number, you know, over the years. Yeah. You know, I don't even think this is going to be a long series. I actually think it's going to be a short one, actually. Sweeping? I ain't saying sweep.

What the hell? You ain't like my five prediction? Well, hell, go where you don't like that pick. Go with six. I'm saying you got it. You wore the five out. The five. I got to bring it back.

Hey, lady, we got to bring it back. Hey, we got to find something that's catchy. I mean, for the Celtics. Hey, Joe, you remember they brought the seat in? They brought the bell-bottom pants back. Remember the bell-bottom jeans? They back it style. Bell-bottom dress pants.

Back it style. Everything come full circle. Full circle. Everything come full circle. But, yeah, I do got the Celtics in five. I say the Knicks will win the game. Got something very interesting for the both of you guys. The number of players declaring for the NBA draft by year.

In 2021, it was 353. In 2022, it was 283. In 2023, it was 242. In 2024, it was 201. This year, it's only 106. The NIL money, Ocho.

Yeah. Got the boy like, you know what, let me go on stage and get a quick $255,000. Hey, you gonna give me that money,

and I'm gonna stay right here in college. Yeah. Listen, also, the opportunity, with the great understanding, your chances of making it

to the NBA and actually playing in the NBA and making that of making it to the nba and actually playing in the nba and making that squad it's only a team what 15 right how many players it is 15 15 so you got about 400 players yeah man 450 i'm not this i'm gonna bet on myself in college and get as much as i can and that's 450 that's every year that ain't just this year is it yeah yeah ain't like the ass hey ain't no way we're gonna be 460 look look if you got 50 60 guys coming in every year you got 50 60 leaving every year so that's every year and that's why i tell cats as hard as it is to make it to the league bro it's even harder to stick you know what i mean it's hard to stick because

once you get there you can't exhale you You know what I'm saying? You got to keep going. You got to keep pushing. You got to work even harder. So, you know, I tell Cass all the time, bro. It's hard. And that's what I tell football players. I say, bro, it's

easier to get in the league and stay than get out of the league and try to get back in. Because if you think it's hard getting in, get out of the league and try to get back in. Yeah. Because if you think it's hard getting in, get in and get out and try to get back in. Unless you're a quarterback and you got to be decent. Yeah. And what they say at the stadium, you know, you go to the game, you leave the arena, you can't get back in.

Hey, what? What you in? See, I got a ticket. Even if you got a ticket. Nah, you got a ticket they don't know bro you don't laugh we can't let you back in the game and that's how they feel about sports it's like bro i was just here a year ago i was only going a year y'all making seem like i was going to that game oh well yeah a lot of other people that came in bro bro. NFL, they had 70 early declarations in 2025, down from 82 in 2023. And I'll change the game. College athletes aren't finding value in risking turning pro

when they can earn six, seven figures right here. And that's what I'm saying. Why am I going to go to the NFL and hold you up if there's a possibility? Man, I'm going to give me six million and stay right here. Quarterback. But also, you have to understand the people that are choosing to go back. They questioning themselves.

You're questioning yourselves with great understanding. Well, hell, if I know what I'm going to get going to the NFL and entering the draft, it's because I know I'm that boy. Because you know. You know what you're going to get. I told Quinn, what did I tell you, Ocho? If I'm Quinn Ewers, I take my butt. I go jump into that portal, and did I tell you, Ocho? If I'm Quinn Ewers, I take my butt, I go jump into that portal,

and I go somewhere else, and I make me three, four million dollars again. You want more, huh? Yes! As opposed to be a fifth or sixth or seventh round draft pick. Because I believe he could have built his value. He could have been, you know, who knows, a first or a second day pick.

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Q, who you got tomorrow night? Oh, man, this is a tough one for me because, you know, game seven is you throw everything out the window, but I can't not roll out with the light-skinned assassin and Jimmy Buck and Draymond. Just with the experience they got, man. Like, if I'm wrong, I take that to the chin. But just with the inconsistencies of the young boys over there in Houston,

I got to— No, inconsistency of Jalen Green. Go ahead and say that. Everybody else— Hey, Fred Van Fleet, the last five games have been on one. Hey, that's the— Listen, I feel like we don't even respect, like, Fred Van Fleet is a last five games have been on one. Hey, listen. I feel like we don't even respect Fred Van Fleet as a champion, a dog. You know what I'm saying?

He got to get proper respect. He doing what I expect him to do. He over there. And when lose a draw, Houston Rockets is going to be back. When lose a draw, they going to be right back like they forgot something. He may got them boys growing. I love what, I love, you know what I'm saying? Like, we talking about Van Vliet being a

veteran OG out there. Yes. People to get it done and impact the game and be able to show them and say what he's saying and it means something because he out there. So, I like what they got going on. But even still, with that being said, I don't know. You got, when you got that little dude number 30,

all it take is if he hit one, it's now we in the matrix. He turned to Neo and everything else. It don't matter. We done all seen it happen. The game could hinge on that right there. If he come out and make one shot and start looking funny, if he give you a little shimmy it's curtains it's about to be a long night and it's like i don't know like you

say with the with the to me when i say inconsistencies with hoskins like they don't know where they gonna where they gonna get they scoring from from night to night it's like it's nice like you know who leads them in scoring and you know who you would expect to do it. But like, it's not concrete. You can't hang your hat on it like, all right, we're going to go such and such from this player or that player. It's like, it might be anybody.

And when you got something like that, it's hard for me to roll the dice with that. Yeah, look, Shingun has been sensational. He's been doing a great job. He leads them in points, rebounds, assists, and steal. I thought I may insert in Steven Adams. He was the difference maker last day of the night. He gave them rebounding.

He gave them toughness. He did all the right plays. You know, he went to Hacker Adams. He made nine of 16. And sometimes I think that takes the team out of their rhythm because you don't get a flow, you stop. You don't get to go up and down. But I don't know what Fred Van Fleet did from games three through six.

I mean, four through six. But he's been on one. I mean, he's been on one. I mean, I'm talking about he's coming down on the break, and he's like, nah, you're on the basket. I don't want the two. I want this pull-up. I want this 26-foot pull-up.

Yeah. And it's been money. I like what they're doing when it comes to Steph because he tries to come off that pick. They double it, make him get a ball up, because I don't believe, look, Draymond, I'm not worried about Draymond. You know that Draymond always take the first shot

because he's wide-ass open. They're going to leave him open, too. You're not fit to make eight of those. Steph Curry can. So you shoot as many of them as you want, Draymond. We're not going to worry. We're not going to worry

ourselves with that. But what we will worry ourselves with is to make sure Steph don't catch fouls. Keep Jimmy Butler off the free throw line because you know he's going to attack the basket.

It's going to be interesting to see Steve Curl, how does he play this thing? Because remember the other night he started Gary Payton II. He went away from his normal lineup with Bozemski. So does he go back to that queue or does he ride with Gary Payton II again? Or is Moody inserted into the starting lineup? What's he going to do? I might start Moody and bring GP up because he's a pace changer to me. You know what I'm saying?

He comes in and is supposed to raise the energy and things like that if it's not right, try and get some defensive energy going. I would start Moody to see. I mean, I like what Moody's been doing. He presents a lot of length defensively, you know what I'm saying? And I would start him. He's been shooting the ball. I mean, not as well as you want.

Well, he's made some big shots. Yeah, he's hit some big shots. He's thrown. He had knocked down a shot, and he'll make some plays, drive to the basket. And like I say, most importantly, he got a lot of lean defensively and that's you know that's always big in these games oh joe what you thinking the warriors gonna blow another three one lead absolutely not you know curry's not having another bad game like that listen even with even what they try to do trapping him you know making making all shots contested it It's not happening. Listen, the Warriors have a championship pedigree,

and there's no way in hell they lose a game seven. Not like this. It's definitely not going to happen. I think Draymond can do what Draymond does. Jimmy Butler, like you say, he's going to get to the basket. Whether they try to stop it or not, he's going to be aggressive. He's going to be playoff Jimmy like we used to see him when he was with Miami. And Curry,

he's going to cook. He's going to cook, especially after that last game. He's not going to have another performance. I think Dre might need to make sure he stays within himself. Because I think sometimes he gets going too early and he kind of gets himself out of rhythm.

He gets early fouls. He gets techs. And now he knows in a game like Game 7, they're going to probably get a take early because he knows they're not going to throw him out. They don't want to impact the game like that. Right. So he has a very good understanding

because most players that do what Draymond does, oh, they'd be gone. They'd be teed up. Woo. Or when you say woo, take that with you on the way yeah yeah you out of here bro uh yeah but they wouldn't do they wouldn't do they wouldn't do them do that to him in the playoff though huh no that's what i'm saying he knows that but i think sometimes it gets him it gets him out of his game now sometimes he he riles himself up he gets the team going but

it had the opposite effect the other night they got the rockets going yeah going. Chingun, they was proud of them on the glass. I mean, they crushed them. They crushed them on the glass. They had 25 offensive rebounds. That's part of Draymond's superpower, though. He got to play with that edge. He got to play with the way he play. That's part of what makes him him.

If he doesn't play like that, he's not as impactful or as effective as he can be. Now, I agree with you. He got to toe that line and tuck it in when he need to, but he absolutely got to play like that to be the most impactful and the best version of Draymond Green. Like you say, he can't step over that line, but he got to toe it.

And plus, that big lineup that Houston go out there with Sam, with Stephen Adams and Shingun, the Warriors can't match up with that. That's why Adams and Shingun, the Warriors can't match up with that. That's why Adams and Shingun was killing them on the glass. Yeah. Because you really, you don't want to play Looney.

You really don't. Because he don't really give you a whole lot of offense. He set picks and he can rebound. But Shingun's going to punish whoever on the offensive end. And so now you got big Adams.

They like, okay, now you take a shoot off the floor. We want you to play. You know, they try to put Post out there who's a big that can stretch the floor and shoot that. But he's a little bit too inconsistent. So if I may, I'm going to keep listening to Curry.

I'm going to try to get the ball out of his hand as much as I possibly can. I'm going to trap him every chance I get. He goes to that corner. Hey, let the big guy roll. We can come from – we can get. He goes to that corner. Hey, let the big guy roll. We can come from... We can get your help backside. Hold on. We're not letting Curry

get no easy shots, huh? Listen, we talk about Curry. We talk about Jimmy. We talk about Draymond. We ain't talking about the elephant in the room. What is Curry going to do about Kaminga?

Obviously, you're mostly one of your most athletic players. He lived in the... He played both games against the Rockets. In the games during the regular season against the Rockets, he averaged the most points

for the Warriors against them. So it only makes sense. It only makes sense for Game 7 to put him in there. I don't know how serious it's going to be. Steve Kerr said, Jonathan Kaminga returns to the rotation of the 100% on the table in Game 7.

100% Kaminga is on the table. We kind of found a formula here Kaminga is on the table. We kind of found a formula here in the latter part of the season. We've stayed with that formula to start this series up 3-1. Things are going well, and obviously the last few games have gone very poorly.

We have to assess everything, the lineup combination, starters, all of that, we have to assess. I don't know why he fell out of favor and what happened with that, but did y'all see him the last time he got in the game he didn't look like he was like

he didn't look locked in and looked like he would be I hope the young fella do get out there and ball out and do his thing but from the looks of everything that he did last time it don't look likely don't look like he's mentally there you know like when you a young fella like that I don't know

how easy it is for you to get back into it Hey Q when you have a coach that is not playing you and you don't know what's going on or what happened obviously we don't know from the outside looking in what happened internally but for you to be one of the

best players on that team that can contribute on both on both ends of the court and then not get any playing time it has to be it has to be something it has to be something that we don't know publicly but i mean i hope his confidence is there you know if you have to not plan for so long some sometime something like that can do something to your mental obviously when he does get in the game or is he gonna be gun gunshot is he going to be scared to pull the trigger is he going to be hesitant i mean if it was me my boy i'd be like listen i can't take it personal he benched jason tatum who am i to be mad at him okay like i'm gonna just take it like a champ and keep it moving he likes to go you feel me i mean real talk though like yeah i don't i don't

know what coming hasa's done, but he's definitely been out of the rotation, and he's one of them more athletic guys. He can defend. He can get all the way to the rim. He can occasionally knock down the three. That's not his strong suit. But for whatever reason, hey, he don't even get no mop-up minutes.

Like, damn, hey, let me break a sweat so I don't have to get on the bike after the game. Hey, Q, he can't even get no cardio in. He have to get on the bike after the game. Hey, Q, he can't even get no cardio in. He got to get on the bike after the game, after Sydney. Like, I'm all still, and I got to get 30 minutes on the stationary bike. And then you're saying he was getting shots up after one of the games and everything. Like, that's a little bad signal. Like, yeah, I'm hot.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, he probably said, hey, y'all ain't going to play me. Get me out of here. Let me go somewhere. Hey, let me go somewhere. At least I can contribute. I can play. I ain't saying, hey, look, I'm not saying I'm SGA.

I ain't saying I'm one of the five, ten best players in the NBA. But damn, I see guys that I know I'm better than, and they're getting 10, 15 minutes a night. I can't get that I know a perfect place for him too I know the perfect place for him too man ain't nobody coming there

I know the perfect place bro right here he's saying somebody always want to go to the Miami Heat with Pat Riley with them 1955 rules. Hey, listen. It ain't as bad as you think it is, man.

Listen, when you look at the guys that go there, they have some of their best years of their careers when they go there. And look at the guys leave. I saw Dwayne Wade leave. I saw Jimmy Butler leave. I saw LeBron James leave. Now, that's three of the best players that you've had in the last 15 years. Now, tell me what I don't know, Q.

What you don't know? Yeah. Hold on, hold on. Let me finish up. You can chime in after, MQ. We all got family, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Sometimes you get married to your auntie or your uncle or your cousin or even your mom, boy, your brother, sister, right? I like that. I like where you're going. I ain't leaving him. Hey, look, he didn't leave for good. He left and went over to his auntie's house and then he came back over here and back to his uncle's house. He came back.

Okay, you think Jimmy coming back? I didn't say Jimmy came back. I was talking about D-Wade when we said that. Okay, what about LeBron? LeBron going back to Miami? No. I said family. But I'm saying the mere fact that family left.

If I leave the house, yeah, I might go back when I'm on hard times. D-Wade was a different type of family. D-Wade was drafted homegrown there. That's Dade County. And he left. You can't say the same for LeBron or Jimmy, so it wasn't that same type of county and he left you can't say the same for lebron or jimmy so it wasn't that same type of thing he left and came back and they both admitted that it was some wrongdoings

and reasons why they left and they came together and pieced up and it's all love yeah this is this ain't yes all love when i see d. Wade is part owner in the Utah Jazz. He's sitting courtside in the Utah Jazz. Why isn't he sitting courtside in Miami? It's family now. No, no, no, time out, time out. D. Wade do be sitting courtside in Miami. He got a statue in Miami and he's a boss here.

And deservedly so. A smart businessman. And deservedly so. But we can't pretend like people aren't fed up with Pat Riley and those archaic ways, Q. That's not being true. You hear it. But it can go two ways, though. You got to understand that some of those same ways

that people being critical of are the reasons for some of the most brilliant careers that you talk about. The best version of LeBron James that you know was right there under those arcades. Tell me I'm wrong. I still like LeBron when he went back to Cleveland. No, you ask anybody in the league. That LeBron James, come two years back to back, please.

Please. That was hell on wheels, boy. You hear me? Like, please. You talking about. Okay, let's say that. Okay. What made LeBron leave?

Okay. He had his best years. And then what made LeBron leave? You got that? On the 27-game winning streak, what happened, Q? I don't know. I didn't hear a lot. You know what happened?

D-Wade said it. I heard it? I don't know. I didn't hear a lot. You know what happened? D-Wade said he didn't hear about cookies being taken away. I didn't hear about cookies being taken away. I didn't hear about all types of stuff. But I also heard that some of the same things that he ran from that he tried to take with him and bring and bestow on these other organizations when he went there. So it wasn't all bad. Listen, you already know,

Rich, Mav is going to be there every day. Mav is my chief of staff. Not Mav, excuse me. What's the other one? Randy. Randy is going to be there. Have you ever seen LeBron James anywhere without Randy? I have not. Whether it's out

in Vegas, whether whatever the case may be, Randy is going to be there. So Pat shouldn't let him be there. Oh, he going to be there. You want it. He's going to be there. You don't want it. But you know,

hello, you already know what you, when you sign up, if you get, if you get Giannis, what, you see what the Giannis brother is? Where he at?

Hey, time out, time out though. You just said you already know what you get when you sign up, right? So you can't say that and then say that LeBron came to Miami as a free agent. Knowing that the Godfather was the Godfather

and the Godfather do what the Godfather does and he always has. You signed up for that. I did, but not to be petty and take some damn cookies away. I ain't talking anything. Listen, you talking to me like I didn't clean up a damn room. It could have been a headband.

It could have been anything, but the cookies is what set it up. But, like, this is what you signed up for when you signed up. Nah, I ain't signed up for this. I ain't signed up for this. I signed up to come down here to get structure. I wanted to play with D-Wade, Chris Bodge. And, okay, supposed to get you two championships. And it showed you how to go on the rest of the way and be a champion.

Yeah. Hold on. When we talk about the heat of the old, let's talk about the new heat. Let's talk about the new heat. What happened to the new heat? It doesn't matter. It's still Pat running it. Don don't say they're about to get somebody oh yeah i've been trying to tell you i'm trying to tell you i already i already know that's what you that's

what you that's that's what people always understood and knew pat riley the godfather is always one move away how did ain't got Kevin Durant. He got Shaq, and then they won a championship. He always willing to swing for the fences and do what needs to be done. But he don't have the draft capital to do it. What are you going to do? Think about it. He couldn't get Kevin Durant.

He couldn't get Dame Lillard. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Kevin Durant. What do you think it's going to take for him to get Kevin Durant? He's going to have to give up the hero and bam? Then what? Who can he get? Giannis? I don't think so. I told you who he's going to get. I already told you already.

I told you. At Q, I sat down with Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison. I done told Robert Ory. I done told the ISO Joe. I done told Joe already. And I'm telling you too. I told the Pat. I sat down with Mickey Harrison. And we told Joe already. And I'm telling you, I'm telling you too. I talked to Pat. I sat down with Mickey Harrison. And we going to get Giannis.

We going to get John Marant. I'm trying to figure out what are you going to do. But see, here's the thing. Listen. They're only a handful of team that have the pieces. They want assets because they gave up all those assets to get said players. Q, you know how this thing works. A lot of times, like, man, I want to go over there. And when you get there, they had to gut it

to get you. And so now you're there in the same situation you in where you left from. They're not going to be able to... I don't see how they get to Kevin Durant in Miami and keep Bam and Tyler Hero. Oh, you're talking about I want Duncan Robinson and Hotsmith?

Hey, you'd be surprised what these deals shake out once these players step out and say that they want to be moved. We've seen, like, guys ain't been, like, been yielding what you've thought. Like, when you look at what Rudy Gobert got in his trade and then the trade. He got four first-rounders. Yeah.

What started happening after he did that? Nobody was getting all of them first-rounders. Yeah. What started happening after he did that? Nobody was getting all of them first-rounders, and it was looking like, how did Rudy get – you get Rudy for all of this, and you get such-and-such for all of that? It wasn't going the same way. They're not giving as much up, especially when these teams – like, when you get put in that pigeonhole, like a player come out and say, hey, I want out.

I want out. Like, you done. You done. Like, you done. You done. Like, shit, we ain't got to be at your beck and call because we're basically helping you at this point because your dude just said he want out. So no matter what happens, you got to get out. Or your situation is blown up.

So at that point, if they exhausted to a certain point, it'll get bad. See? I told you, huh? But here's the thing. Why it didn't get that bad? Why it didn't get that bad they couldn't pull the trigger for Dame Lillard? That question, I mean, I don't know the answer to that. I thought that was a done deal like everybody else.

They didn't want to give up Tyler Hero. I don't see a scenario where a team doesn't get Tyler Hero back as a piece. Do you see that scenario? You never know, man. I didn't see it. I didn't see a scenario on the planet where Dallas was

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