Nightcap - Nightcap - NFL Recap Part 1: Derek Carr Retires + Shedeur Sanders hit back at critics

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Recap the best clips of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to New Orleans Saints QB Derek Carr retiring, Cleveland Browns rookie Shedeur Sanders comments on critics, and much more!01:41 - Derek Carr announces retirement from NFL07:25 - Saints coach Kellen Moore to rotate all QBs09:22 - Shedeur Sanders on his critics23:33 - Shedeur on if he’s gonna buy #2 from DeAndre33:27 - Teams laughed at adding Pickens to their roster(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Darren Carr announces his retirement from the NFL. Ochoa, 34, recently underwent multiple medical evaluations on his shoulder. Shoulder was deemed the only route back to 100%, and that would mean up to six months of recovery. Carr retires after staying on 11 seasons. He's a four-time Pro Bowler. 257 touchdowns, 41,000 passing yards,

top 25 all-time, third place in the MVP vote. He walks away from 30 mil. Hey, I have a question. I'm confused. We in April, we just had the draft the season ended how long ago?

December? well that season ended in January beginning of January but no his season been over because he got hurt memorabilia

so I'm trying to understand why wasn't the situation rectified so you come into this season healthy why are we still talking about the same thing we were talking about

last year? What was it? You know, sometimes, Ocho, you know, they give you, say, rest. And then when rest don't do it, now you don't let

two months pass in rest. When you should have went and had that shoulder. Listen, you know good and well, you don't play around nothing like that. Anything with the

upper extremities, with the arms, especially when it comes to a quarterback, you want to get all those issues done and out the way. If there was even a thought or inclination that there's something wrong with it

that would hamper your throwing motion or playing your position at the best of your ability, you go get it fixed. You go get it fixed. Oh, Joe. Derek Carr has made $205 million in his career.

He has a 77-92 record, 455 win percentage, just one trip to the playoffs, and I think they lost to you guys. The ninth most cash from 2014 to 2024. Aaron Rodgers has made $292 million. First Cousins, $291. Matthew Stafford, $287. Russell Wilson, $264. Dak Prescott, $244.

Jerry Goff, $234. Matt Ryan, $222. Tom Brady, $198. Derek Carr, $196. And my homeboy, $179. Them boys make a pretty penny, boy. Make a pretty penny. And you know the funny thing about it?

I was upset. I was sad. You know, I don't like to see players hurt. Hell, I goddamn tweeted the broken heart emoji about Derek Carr being gone, and then I had to remember, well, you know what? The people in New Orleans, in Baton Rouge, in Louisiana, man, they happy.

They cheering. They second lining. Oh, I mean, I know you Rouge, in Louisiana. Man, they happy. They cheering. They second lining. Oh, I mean, I know you're happy Derek Carr is gone. You didn't like your quarterback that you had. But now who you got? Now who you got? Spencer Rattler? No disrespect to him, young bull.

You got Spencer Rattler and they took the quarterback. What his name? Slot. Shuck. They took Shuck. I'm just telling you who they took. what is his name um slot shuck they took shuck I'm just telling you who they took I

I ain't I ain't shucking with Jojo that's who they took that's exactly how the Saints gonna be they gonna be shook until they get a

goddamn quarterback you know listen my people in the world we ain't got no patience we ain't got no patience we We ain't got no patience. We done dealt with too much. We need a quarterback.

Well, what happens is you get spoiled. You had Drew Brees for 15 years and then you expect every quarterback. It's hard to follow that up.

You know, look, you're not going to be green bait. You're not going to have Brett Favre for 15, 20 years. You're not going to have Aaron Rodgers for 20 years.

And then you go right to love. That ain't happening. You're not going to have Aaron Rodgers for 20 years. And then you go right to love. That ain't happening. You're not going to have, most teams don't get to have 30, 40 years. I mean, you're talking about could be 40 plus years of prosperity at the quarterback position.

That's crazy. That is absurd to think about it. Because think about it. You had 17 years with, about 17 years with Favre. And then you had another 18 years with Rodgers. And now you have Love. So that's what, 30, 35 years?

So you're about to have 45, maybe even 50 years of prosperity at the quarterback position. And not just any quarterback. We talk about them boys. Like that boy. Two Hall of Famers, yeah. You can make a case Aaron Rodgers

is one of the greatest of all time. As was Brett Favre. And listen, Jordan Love in his own right is on his way to be just that as well as he continues to improve year in and year out. But their car is done. He says, no, I don't want to go through that anymore. He says, I talked to my wife and my family. And six months of rehab for $30 million,

like, nah, it ain't even worth it. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Stay with me right now. Hey, Chad, y'all stay with me real quick. My Saints fans, tell me what you think about this. Now, I know based on what we saw from him last year, it wasn't anything to hype about. You know, it wasn't nothing to second-line about.

But how about Aaron Rodgers coming in for a year in New Orleans until we get the rookie right? Or for Spencer Radlick and also watch and learn behind him. What y'all think about that? I know I got some Saint fans in the chat. I'm just curious. What's your thought on that? I'll let the Saint fans run. I'll let the Saint fans try me.

What you think? One year? No? No. Okay. God didn't work out for the Jets. He was there two years. I mean, you're right. I'm to work out for the Jets. He was there two years. I mean, you're right. I'm just curious. I'm just curious. It's your thought process in bringing in a veteran presence

to see what they can do with Aaron. But if you say no, then it's no. The thing is, Ochoa, but you're bringing him in for one year. What are we getting out of one year? Development for the young quarterbacks. Allowing them to see how it should look, how it should go. Let them develop. You told me guys don't get better by being on the younger quarterbacks. Allow them to see how it should look, how it should go. Let them develop. You told me guys don't get better by being on the bench.

Okay. That's what you tell me. You're right. You're right. You're right. I was just curious. Saints head coach, Kellen Moore, said he will rotate all their quarterbacks, give them all opportunities as one tries to seize the starting job.

We're going to let all three of these guys roll. Each will be given a chance to win the Saints starting job. There're going to let all three of these guys roll. Each will be given a chance to win the Saints' starting job. There are people in the chat, the Saints fans, that got fucked this shit. We cooked. Here's some stats for Shook.

He has the second worst quarterback accuracy versus power five opponents of any quarterback in this class. 42% completion rate when precious 58% completion rate when bliss solid performance when kept clean. All quarterbacks are good when you keep them clean. Yeah. You got to be,

listen, my house is immaculate when it's clean. Duh. Hey, listen, under pressure, under pressure. A lot of times you're going to be under pressure. Exactly. How accurate and consistent can you be when you're under duress? That's the tall tale time of a great quarterback.

Always calm under pressure. Always. Always accurate under pressure. Regardless. Always accurate under pressure. Regardless of what's coming at him from all times. Right. And again, that's why I questioned the draft again. That's why I questioned the draft again. Because you take those same numbers you just talked about,

and I'm not going to say his name, but you know who I'm talking about. And you look at what he had to deal with it because his offensive line play wasn't that good, but for some reason, I mean, he was highly accurate still. It's funny how that works, but that's neither here nor there. So, as a wide

receiver, you want a guy that can catch the ball in traffic. Oh, now we're talking. Hell, anybody can catch when they're wide open I hope the hell Shador spoke to the media today and had a couple of notable soundbites listen to what Shador on critics saying that he didn't have the talent

to be selected at the top of the draft let's take a listen to what Shador had to say Ocho I mean thank you for saying that because I don't like my job here is in the prove people wrong. Like I proved myself, right. That's, that's, that's, and I, and I fully, I still believe, you know, and, uh, what, what those people say, that's, that's just the opinion. So I don't truly care.

They, they, they don't really live in my mental space about that type of stuff. Really doesn't do anything for me. I like that. And that's what I tell people. Your job is not to prove somebody wrong. It's your job to prove yourself right. And if you prove yourself right in the process of proving you right,

you'll prove them wrong. And that's the thing that, you know, you have to learn. And it's been a process. Stop worrying about what people that don't know you think. I think a lot of people have. Stop worrying about that. Because Ocho, you heard me say this.

I want people to love. I just need the people that I love to love me. Come on, now. See, you're trying to see, you're trying to, and you know, obviously, the elephant is not in the room. He outside, but everybody knows what I'm going through.

A lot of people have a lot to say, but as my brother been calling me, a lot of, I met a lot of people and thank you all. Everybody that's reached out and the thoughts and prayers. I sincerely appreciate that. But, but when you think about it on show,

man, 50%, I sincerely appreciate that. But when you think about it, Ocho, man, 50% of the people don't care that you got problems. The other 50% glad you got them. Come on, Pastor. So now what? Come on, Pastor. Take your time. I agree with you, Doran.

I'm not worried about, look, I'm where I am. This is where I am. I'm in Cleveland. 30 other teams, 31 other. I'm not worried about, look, I'm where I am. This is where I am. I'm in Cleveland. 30 other teams, 31 other teams that didn't select me, and I understand that there are some teams, you know, Cincinnati and Baltimore, and certain teams weren't in the realm of quarterback. I get it. I'm not talking about those.

Thank you, Cleveland, for giving me an opportunity. Because sometimes all you need is an opportunity. And now what you do with that opportunity will tell us who and what you are. But the thing is, Ocho, is that, you know, you have to learn that I'm learning and it's still a learning process, is that you got to drown out the noise, man. You can't be concerned with everybody.

Because everybody's going to have an opinion. Everybody thinks they know you. They really do. Everybody thinks they know you when they really don't. They heard this. They heard that. Have you ever talked to Shannon? Have you ever been around with Shannon?

Have you been around Ocho? Have you been in Ocho's presence? So what makes you think you know him? How well do you know him? So Shador just go do your thing that's all that's all they can do now

Ocho it's now it's about playing at some point in time the talking will stop you gotta play the playing will start the cream will rise to the top

and then we'll have something to talk about but right now I don't really yeah they keep I think sometimes I think they keep they want to make him frustrated they want him to make him laugh have something to talk about. But right now, I don't really. Yeah. They keep, I think sometimes I think they keep,

they want to make him frustrated. They want him to make him lash out. Yeah, I should have been this. Yeah, I should have been that. He's too well-schooled. I like that. Hey, I call it he's seasoned.

Even though he's just getting here, based on where he's coming from, he's seasoned. He's already prepared, mentally prepared for this. He's going to be fine and the one thing i do like is i want to prove me wrong i want to prove me wrong we have too many people today especially in today's society we're in a social media era where everybody is worried about

looking a certain way dressing a certain way looking at the part looking like i have it because it's a word about what everybody else i'm gonna. Every morning you get up and you look in that mirror, that's the person you're in competition with. That's it. That's the person in competition. I just need to beat him from yesterday, Ocho. Honestly, I just need to be better today than that guy was yesterday. Yeah, every time.

And every time you look in the mirror, right, and you have to understand I'm competing competing against me. And anytime you compare yourself to somebody else, comparison is a thief of joy. You're going to be sad at the time depending on who you're comparing yourself to.

Man, shit. You better put them goddamn horse binders on like at the Kentucky Derby. Put your head down and just go straight forward. At your own pace. Because you don't know

nothing about nobody else's story. No. You don't know nothing about nobody else's story. You don't know nothing about nobody else's story. Focus on your food right there in front of you and stop trying to pick off what other people play. Man, you're going to be alright, man. Too many people, they lose like that. They lose like that. Worried about everybody else. You drive yourself crazy

trying to please everybody too. You do. You do. Because at the end of the day, are you happy? Because there have been times, Ocho, where in the process of trying to please somebody, I was trying to please everybody else.

But the one person that was unhappy was me. So in the process, everybody else is happy. Everybody's ecstatic. They do what I'm giving them. They're doing this, they're doing that.

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I'm dying. It's one thing to be alone. It's something else entirely different to be lonely. See, there are two different things, alone and lonely. See, you can be alone and be content with that. You can be with someone and be lonely.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, what you said something like that, what? It's, uh... it's uh that's a very fine line Ocho that's a very very fine line there's something just there boy hey alone and lonely you could be alone

but it don't mean you lonely correct hey that's juicy absolutely correct you could be alone, but it don't mean you lonely. Correct. Hey, that's juicy. Absolutely correct. That's juicy. Next time I get, when I get in my next argument, I get in my next argument with Shan,

I'm going to use that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to use that. Yeah. It's, it's, but a lot of times, Ocho, and the thing is,

is that like, when you've been alone for a long period of time, you realize that you really don't have time for BS. But, you know, we talk about humans, though, huh? You know, we all put a little baggage now now when you're alone for a very long period of time depending on how long that period may be you go into a good understanding at some point even though you don't want to deal with no bs

it come with something yeah ocho i think the thing is that what I've learned in my life is that you're dating a person's past and all the trauma that's in that past. And people don't understand that. And the thing is that people don't put on their resume. Because if I have to fill out something, you think I'm going to put my worst attributes on that resume? I'm going to put my best foot forward. And I'm going to tell you all the reasons why I should have this job, not the reasons why I shouldn't.

So if a person wants to be in a relationship, they're going to tell you all the things and show you all the things, the reasons why you should select he or her in that relationship. I like that. I like that. I like that. It's not what you know that hurts you.

It's what you find out that hurts you. I'm done, Ocho. I ain't finished, Ocho. I'm done. I'm done, Ocho. I'm done. I'm done. Hey, Pastor Shaw,

don't do the congregation like that. I know the chat. I know I'm not the only one taking notes. I know the chat. I know y'all taking notes. Don't lie lie to me now but take your time now i think that's the thing people like what i don't know won't hurt me but what you find out later yeah could hurt you see that's what i love i love i love i love starting i love starting and for us and for people that are known where it's a simple Google. We talk about people filling out their resumes and always putting their best foot forward when they meet people.

You know, for those that don't like to be honest. Like, listen, I come with baggage. I come with A, B, C, and D. But I'm going to check the boxes of what you need done for you and your life and me helping you. I'm also going to provide D, E, and F. So can we counter or can we balance and come to a happy medium where you understand what baggage I do have and bitch, can you unpack it?

Right. That's it? Because you're not going to meet anybody where everything is, oh my God, there's peace in the dream. No, no, no, no. That's not reality. No.

But we love to make it seem like you're the greatest thing women all the time oh he fumbled me you mean to tell me everybody you came across fumbled you you just that must have been raining must have been must have been raining you must be real slippery you can't hold on you are you that much of a catch damn no marriage every relationship never like it's it's because we're all human at the end of the day no matter what we may think about ourselves you gotta you gotta feel highly about yourself you you have to but at the end of the day oh you just want to regular folk at the end of the day no you know you put your stuff on your your aesthetics and your jewelry, your makeup, when you take all that shit off, that's the real you.

You're still just you. You're just human. I think at the end of the day, Ocho, is that what I wanted to say. I wanted to say, I forgot my train of thought. I was going to say something. I don't know if it was profound or not, but I wanted to say it. I wanted to say it. It'll come back to me.

Take your time, Nat. It was, what I wanted to say, it was on the tip of my tongue. And I don't let it slip my mind. I'm going to go upstairs tonight and I'll be thinking about it. I said, that's what I wanted to tell Ocho. That's exactly what... Oh, I know what... This young lady told me one time.

She said, Shannon... You got a lot of scar tissue. She said, but let me love you with all those scars. She said, Shannon, the thing is with you, you don't know how to receive love. I don't know if you've ever been loved, but I do know you don't know how to receive it. She said, I'll love you past all those scars if you just allow it. I wanted to put my head on her shoulder and cry with you.

That's what I wanted to do. But, you know, at that stage, pride wouldn't let me. It wouldn't let me. It wouldn't let me. So, I think that's the thing that we all want.

We want to be loved. We want to be appreciated. Boy, you got me about to tear up, boy. Boy, you don't see my eyes. Boy, you got, oh, that was, boy. Boy, you don't see my ass. Boy, you got, oh, that was a, but say that one more time. Say the line about the scars. Say the line she told you about the scars. She said she wanted to love me in spite of my scars.

She said, I see the scar tissue. She said, I see the hurt in your heart. I hear the way you talk. I see the way you look. She said, I see it, and I hear the way you talk. I see the way you look. She said, I hear, I see it. And I hear all of that. She said,

but I could love you past all that. She said, I just need you to receive the love that I'm trying to give you. Well, that's deep. Yeah, boy, people don't understand.

Oh, man. She do. I had a hilarious response after being asked if he was going to buy number two off Deandre Carter. Let's take a listen. What should do? I had to say about number two, Jersey. You going to buy number two off DeAndre Carter. Let's take a listen to what Shador had to say about number two jersey.

You trying to buy two from DeAndre? No, I'm not trying to buy anything. My sign of bonus ain't that high right here. Yeah. I don't believe you, Shador. You got to have some bread. Like I said, when I went to Baltimore Ocho, I didn't believe you should do her you gotta have some bread like I said

when I went to Baltimore Ocho I didn't want no I didn't want a odd number I didn't want 81 or 83 85 something like that

I didn't want that I wanted an even number I went to Jermaine Lewis who had number 84 at the time I offered him he and his I said I'll buy you and your wife matching Rolex.

You get a his, he get a hers. He said, nah, I want to keep it. So I ain't never really liked that being, the 88 number just didn't seem well with me. 82 was that, where? 82 was who? Frank Wainwright. Frank Wainwright had it.

And I was like, I hit him. I said, Freaky Frank, man, what you want for that number? He was with, if I'm not mistaken, I think he was with me a couple of, like in 99, he ended up getting released. He was with me in Denver. So I kind of knew him a little bit. I said, Freaky Frank, man, what you want for 82? He's like, Sharpie, I don't want anything. You can have it.

I said, nah, nah, nah, Freaky Frank, that's your number. And I want to give you something. I said, what you like to do? What's your hobbies? He said, man, Sharpie, I don't like to do anything but fish. Man, I said, here. I said, how much does a bass boat cost? He said, uh, Sharpie, you don't have to do that. I said, huh? I bought him a bass boat.

Damn it. I did. I bought him a bass boat I did I bought him a bass boat hey if I was if I was willing to give you know back then Rolex

was probably his and hers probably been about 30,000 if I was willing to do that to get that get 84 a bass boat

like I played like 14 grand oh okay okay okay so you got on much better okay yeah yeah so uh I think I played like 14. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So you got on much better. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

So, and plus, I kind of had that number. I said, but I said, it ain't the same. It ain't Cleveland. I said, if it was Cleveland, it'd be one thing. You ain't, this ain't Cleveland. So, but it was good. It worked out. And so I don't blame you, dude.

I ain't paying that money. I ain't paying nothing either. A fifth round draft pick. Now, when I got 84, because I was 81 my first two years, Ocho, and then Ricky Natil ended up going to, I think he went to Tampa or something. Man, when I found out he wasn't coming back, man, I called Dan so quick. I said, Dan, can I get 84? He's like, absolutely, Shark.

I said, hey hey I'm good hey I called I called equipment guy uh what was his name Bill

Bill something Ronnie Ronnie no Ronnie Bill was an uncle but anyway his nephew

was the equipment guy at the time I said bro you might as well go ahead and take that sharp off 81 and put it on the back of 84. I already called Dan.

Boy, you talking about happy? I feel like, damn, 84. They have to have the number you want to just do something to you. Can I ask you a question? It does, Ocho. DeAndre Carter. What position did young boy play? I don't know.

What position did DeAndre Carter play? Probably offense. I'm going to think it. Receiver. What was he in college? He had to be a higher draft pick than Sugar. So he's a rookie coming in? He's not a rookie.

He already had it. Oh. He might have came in free agency, Ocho. And why wouldn't he give... Hold on. Now, when you have a single-digit number, right? When you wear that single-digit number, you understand what comes with that. Whether it be Pop Warner, middle school, high school, in the NFL,

everybody with a single-digit number is that boy. DeAndre Carter, he's been number 16, number 14, number 19. He's been one twice. He's been 82. He's been three. He's been 11. Now he's number two. Why you name so many numbers?

Because he's been on that many teams. All right. No disrespect to him. I hope young bull has a phenomenal season and show that you know what out with that number two on. Handy a business. But, hey, number two, hey, you got anything from one to nine, you got to be special. You cannot wear no single digit number if you that's why i said why would why would okay but but i hope young bull that's mandatory i mean period

certain things are just mandatory that is mandatory rule two at that huh hsc use Any college, I mean, NFL, single-digit numbers are for those who are like that. They put butts in the seats, but that's neither here nor there. Yeah, for sure. I was single-digit ever since because I took the number three from my brother. So I went three all the way through high school, and I went two all the way through college. So, yeah. I wish we could have had single digit numbers

because I definitely would have gotten number two. Well, my friend had it. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely would have gotten number two. Well, Mike Moran, the punter, had it. But as soon as he left, I'd have got it. Because back then, Ocho, it wasn't like it is now. You got a number, and if you change numbers,

you got to buy all the other demerits and circulation and all that. I had to do that, yeah. Oh, did you? Absolutely. Now, listen, I had no problem doing it because I understood what that name change had done. Ocho, we know how the media likes to critique any misstep Time Suns to paint a false narrative.

I bet they won't highlight how respectful they are. Watch the video of Shiloh shaking every media member's hand before the start of first availability. shaking every media member hand before start of first availability. Let's take a listen, Ocho. My new media team here. There you go. That's all we got. Logan.

Shiloh. Rock. Pleasure, man. Brandon. Jennifer. Scott. Please meet you. Wow. meet you. Love you as well. Please meet you. Wow. Thank you.

Thanks, man. Oh, my God. With the camera right here. Appreciate it. I think it's nice. All right. I'll just stand right here. I like it.

According to Jenna Lane, Shiloh was the only player who's done that this week. He said Bucs were the first team to call. He's forever grateful that they gave him a chance. Hey, listen. You might want to make friends with them now because they're going to be right there. They're going to be like Nats. They're going to be like Knicks and they're going to be fair.

You know, so everything is up to you. That's all we ask. They're going to be fair. Everything is up to you. You might as well be nice to them because they're going to be fair everything is up to you you might as well be nice to them because they're going to be in your face for a very very long time I'd be so good

that when I have a bad game it's like hey this is an admiration this is not how he normally plays yeah that's I mean I was very

very fortunate I think the thing I think the thing is Ocho like when you come in as a low draft pick you get a lot more grace because there's not the expectation

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Oh, Joe. Teams reportedly laughed at the idea of adding George Pickens to their roster, according to Jeff Howell of The Athletic. These were Jeff's words exactly. Word leaked during the draft that Pickens was available if anyone wanted him. Some teams polled by the Athletic at the time laughed at the idea of inviting Pickens into their locker room for any price, let alone a second-day draft pick. There wasn't a lot of interest in talking with the Steelers about a trade.

Hence, this is why the trade happened after the draft. Nobody was interested. I also would love to hear the teams that weren't interested. And the team that did laugh, I had some to say slick about it. Now, I know the issues that he had on field, but let's talk about what he does on the field. I know we've had small instances, small, small instances

of him where he's loafed, where he hasn't blocked, being late. Hadn't run hard. Running hard. Now, let's talk about the times when he does play hard and what he can do for you when he gets the ball in his hands. There's a bunch of teams that could actually use that. A bunch of teams that could actually use that, you know, who don't have anybody. Ocho, Ocho, you do realize his job is to play hard all the time

I understand that but can I tell you something too every receiver doesn't play hard all the time Ocho it can't be that obvious I know I know I'm with you I'm with you right listen I'm with you I'm just not trying to magnify it's magnified you know You know what I'm trying to say. We don't get what I'm trying to say. But you're right. You're right. But see, the problem that he has is that if that's Randy Moss, he ain't Moss. He ain't Jerry Rice. So you don't get to have that luxury of taking a playoff.

Hey, Randy was funny with it, boy. Hey, Randy was funny with it, boy. Hey, Randy was funny with it. So when George Pickens can give you 23 touchdowns, when he can give you 1,600, 1,700 yards, okay, take a playoff. Now, he's that type of player, though. But you know what it takes

to get that? It takes opportunities. It takes the ball. It does. And we understand the quarterback carousel and the issues they had offensively over there

where that wasn't the case. He's that type of talent. You can't start off like that, Ocho. Huh? You can't start off like that. You can't be like that your first couple years. You gotta get some seniority on your belt. Right, right, right.

That's year five, year six, after you've been to the Pro Bowl three or four times. You've been a first-team All-Pro a couple of times. You can't do that coming out of the box. I know, I know, I know. I know we were frustrated. I know we were frustrated. Like, you know what, you know?

I know we were. Because you look at some of the players, even you, I think it was you that did the comparison as far from a talent standpoint when it was coming out of the draft. You know? I mean, dude, immensely talented.

There's just another side that once we fix that up he matures a little bit he's gonna be all right listen after that conversation i had with him he's gonna be all right he's not gonna have no issues in dallas because listen my back against the wall now you're seeing all the young bulls get paid they're making big money you you need to be a 30 35 million dollar receiver you can be that if you show this year in Dallas. The world is watching that. You're on the biggest stage, baby. You're on the biggest stage. Just go out there, do what you need to do, handle your business, and get your bag in the offseason. Most receiving yards in the Steelers drafted in the last 20 years. Antonio Brown was a sixth round draft pick in 2010. He averaged 86.2 yards with

the Steelers. He averaged 67.8 with two teams after that. Mike Wallace was a round three pick in 2009. 64 yards with the Steelers, less than 50 with four teams after that. Santonio Holmes, 64 yards with the Steelers. Round one selection in 2006, 42 yards with two teams at the left. Juju, 61 yards with the Steelers, 35 yards, two teams at the left of the Steelers. George Pickens, round two, 2022, 59 yards. We'll see what he averaged. Deontay Johnson, 2019, a round three selection. 57 yards.

31.3. Three teams after. Sometimes the grass ain't always greener. The Steelers don't have, the one thing we know about the Steelers, though, Ocho, they ain't got no problem moving on from the Steelers. They don't after they get what they want to out of them. They get a whole lot of production out of the ones they move on from first now. You know, so.

I mean, you think about it. Think about, I mean, Swan, Stallworth, and, and, and, and, uh, Heinz Ward. All the others have been, Louie Lips left. Uh, uh, uh, uh, Yancy Pigpen left. Yeah. I mean, think about it, Ocho. All the others have left. Yeah. Uh mean, think about it, Ocho. All the other ones left. Yeah.

Plex? Mm-hmm. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, everybody. Obviously, it's the nature of the game. Oh, Chase, Martavius Bryant, 53 yards. 33 yards a game with the Raiders. Chase Claypool, 52 yards. Less than 12 yards a game

with two teams. Also, you have to understand the situation these individuals went to. They went into a different situation. George Pickens is going into a situation where he is a bona fide number one alongside another number one where offensively they're going to use him a lot

more than these other players were used when they went to the places they went to. Again, and he's also a much, and I mean no disrespect, I got to say that, he's a much better talent and receiver than everybody else you just named, too. Outside of Antonio Brown. Yeah, I was going to say, he better than Antonio? Man, Brother Brown might be top five all time, depending on who you ask. I just look.

The thing is, for whatever, but it's got to be something in Pittsburgh. Look at all the receivers we've named. And for some reason, you either coach it or you tolerate it, Ocho. Now, what's going on? You coach it or you tolerate it. Which tolerate it, Ocho. Now, what's going on? You coach it or you tolerate it. Which is it, Ocho? I'm asking. Well, you got my hand.

What other team have a position? What other team has a running back position, a D-line position, a quarterback position, a quarterback position with this big? Hold on. This is the last 20 years. So, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. We didn't mention Plex. We didn't mention Emmanuel Sanders.

So, that's 10 receivers in the last two decades. What's going on, Joe? I don't know. Listen, if we go down to other 31 teams, it would probably be the same goddamn thing. So we got 10 players at one position that the team has got rid of. Oh, it's the nature of the business.

It's the nature of the business too now. Come on now. No, it's not. Don't do that. Name the team. Oh, I don't have it in front of me. I'm just saying.

No, you ain't got to have it in front of it. You, off the top of your head, name 10 players that play a position for any team that's had these kind of issues. What the Steelers had with Oh, shoot.

None. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. All right, let's see what you wrote down, Ochoa. I can't think of nothing, boy. Because there ain't none. You ain't naming. You're not naming 10 players for one team at one position. I ain't talking about getting rid of somebody from,

okay, we got rid of Wyversee, we got rid of a tight end, we got rid of a DB, we got... This is all one position, don't y'all? Yeah, you right. Well, maybe they got bad luck over there. You coach it or you condone it? A little bit of both, depending on how good he is. Okay.

Okay. both depending on how good he is okay uh according to jane slater george pickett says he found out when everyone else found out about the trade he says like the mojo and the swag is here george pickett was asked how he sees himself in this offense with cd lamb he says he definitely sees himself on the outside he doesn't really understand the notion of a 1a 1b receiver when i used to watch football there was always a good receiver there's always a good himself on the outside. He doesn't really understand the notion of a 1A and 1B receiver. When I used to watch football, there was always a good receiver, and there's always a good receiver on the other side of him. So I just feel like we're going to work off of each other really well. Pickens was asked what he brings to the team.

As a teammate, he said he's bringing people along. He knows how to win, having won a championship at Georgia. He says he doesn't know what number he plans on wearing yet. Next order of business is getting here as quickly as he can. But he needs to find a place and a vehicle. Haven't talked to Jerry yet, but spoken with Dak and the coaches and met some of the players. Speaking of swag, the Dallas Cowboy Pro Shop is already sold out of shysties.

I'm getting this. I got a few jerseys. I got to get me this all season too, man. I got to get me this All Seasons too man I got to get me a George Pickendall jersey I got to get me A Zach Wilson Dolphin jersey

I got to Listen Is it okay A chat Y'all let me know Listen Can I get a Shador Sanders jersey

Even though I'm Bangles by heart Or is that No No Yeah I guess you could yeah sure you could understanding the circumstances yeah yeah absolutely i'm curious i'm curious i'm gonna ask bangle fans that see how they feel about it they say no i won't get one the volume

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