Nightcap - Nightcap - NFL Recap Part 2: George Pickens traded to Cowboys; Pickens fit with Dallas

Episode Date: May 12, 2025

Recap the best clips of the week as Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to the Pittsburgh Steelers trading George Pickens to the Dallas Cowboys. They react to Pickens fit in Dallas, what's next for the Steelers, and much more!01:43 - George Pickens found out about trade when everybody else did07:19 - Steelers db Elliot does not want Lazard to play on their team14:32 - Cowboys traded for George Pickens28:37 - Falcons fans upset Walker will wear number 11(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I mean, he's too talented, Ocho, to be bouncing around. You know, sometimes people will give you grace. One of you, okay, wasn't the right situation, the quarterback. You go to the Cowboys, like, okay. But don't go anywhere else but the Cowboys. Now, if the money, you want more money, I totally understand that. But don't have the issues

that you had in Pittsburgh here in Dallas. That's all I'm saying. Like, Deontay Johnson, I'm like, bro, you on three teams. Something ain't right. Hopefully, because I agree with you, Ocho. I think he's too talented.

He can run. He can catch. He's strong. He's physical. Got great catch radius. Great run after the catch. Can high point the football. He can block when he wants to block.

Yeah. But the problem is a lot of these young receivers, Ocho, they only see value in catching touchdowns and passes. They don't see value in clearing it out and let CeeDee Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in blocking and the running back, instead of getting a 10-yard, he got a 50-yard touchdown.

So you got to find value in other things when you're not doing what the thing you see is valuable. He sees valuable is catching a bunch of passes, scoring touchdowns. But there's also value in opening it up so CeeDee Lamb and Jake Ferguson and maybe the third receiver gets a catch or a block that, you know, a guy could have got 10 yards. Maybe you sprang in for 40 or 50.

You have to find other ways to bring value and to have value other than the thing that you think is valuable, which is catching passes and catching touchdowns. But I hope he gets it figured out because I do think he's immensely talented. I think he has a bright future. But don't squander this opportunity, young man. Don't squander it. I told you. I got him.

He good. We done had the conversation. That's why after that conversation I told you I had with him, we ain't had no issues since. Now, whatever the feeling. They ain't playing no football since. My point exactly. My point exactly.

So what you think we. He ain't have no problems off the field. He's all problems on the field is. They ain't playing no football since. My point exactly. My point exactly. So what you think we... He ain't have no problems off the field. He's all problems on the field. Stay with me real quick now. I want you to see. Now watch the George Pickens we get in Dallas. I'm saying because if he went to goddamn Dallas, I'm part of Dallas too.

Now watch what we get. Okay. So anytime he make a mistake, everybody makes you come back and you blame me. It's my fault. I let y'all down. I mean, I don't care about...

Look, you're going to make mistakes, but I'm just saying... Hey, I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about that too. All of it. Yeah. Because it's hard to tell if, you know, obviously, you know,

sometimes the guy running the wrong route, the quarterback would like put his hands up and he's like, you know, obviously, you know, sometimes the guy running the wrong route, the quarterback would, like, put his hands up, and he's like, you know, he'll point to himself. That's really the only way you know, unless, you know, you played in the offense and you know the route combination and what goes with what. A lot of times I see West Coast offenses, I'm pretty familiar, they might call the terminology something different now

because it's evolved since Bill Walsh. Well, Paul Brown, that was Paul Brown's offense. And then Bill Walsh expanded upon it and gave it to West Coast offense. It's expanded, but I have a pretty good general knowledge of teams that run that system, what the route combination, what it should look. And so I feel very comfortable when I say something that I'm correct to a fairly degree of certainty. But he can definitely help the Cowboys. Cowboys have been looking for

a number two since CD got there. They had Gallup. Gallup, you know, had a good year, got the big contract. He just couldn't stay healthy, Ocho. And he wasn't the same player after he came off that knee injury. I think he tore his ACL. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same player.

The ACL, the ACL, the goddamn Achilles is very, very difficult to come back especially for skilled position players. I think quarterbacks, you know, if you're not much of a dual threat, which most quarterbacks are now, it's hard to come back.

It normally takes you a year unless you're Adrian Peterson.erson adrian peterson got people got people thinking that he just had an ankle sprain he came back and had a better season the next year and what did it yeah he went for 2000 with the mvp and offensive player of the year yeah he uh uh i almost broke ed's record he was 2,097, so he was nine yards short of breaking E.D.'s record. The closest anyone has been. He's single-handedly got that team to the playoffs because his quarterback was Tristan Ponder.

They had Sidney Rice. Remember Sidney Rice? Yeah, I remember Sidney, yeah. Mm-hmm. But you said you wanted to see Pick go somewhere else. Mm-hmm. But, uh... Man. You said you wanted to see Pick go somewhere else and see. Well, you get your wishes. I think he got his wishes.

Not only did he get his wishes, now we have consistent quarterback play. I don't care what the chat or what the people of the world may think of Dak Prescott. He's still an adequate quarterback in this NFL. He's better than what he had in Pittsburgh, for sure. Who you telling, you know? So, obviously, in that NFC East, it's a good thing for the Cowboys offensively. So, Dak has someone else outside of CeeDee Lamb. And I can't remember the Titan's name who's actually good. Jake Ferguson.

Jake Ferguson's a reliable target. But to add George Pickens to the helm and to that weaponry for Dak to have offensively, I think they're going to do numbers. They're going to do wonders. It just bolsters that offense. And listen, as long as they use young bull the right way, man, sky's the limits for him.

Sky's the limits for him. Sky's the limits for him. Steelers DB Deshaun Elliott does not want Alan Lazard to be traded to his team. Under the IG post talking about Lazard being involved in heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh, Deshaun commented, he's so booty. Wait, wait, say

that again? You can see it. You see it up on your screen. You can see what I, you can see exactly what I see. Damn. He's so cheeks. LOL. I can't see it that good. Man, you know, man, my eye is bad now.

Well, well, everybody, everybody else see it. What happened now? Say it again. Tell me, tell me too, because it's too small up there. Alan Lazard is being involved in trade. The Steelers are possibly could possibly trade for Alan Lazard. Deshaun commented under the post talking about the trade, and he said he's cheap.

What's Deshaun? Deshaun Elliott. He's a DB for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers are involved in trade with Alan Lazard, who's a receiver. Ocho, you can read, can't you? You see what he said right there. Are they beefing, though? Okay.

I don't know what it is. That's what he said. I didn't get any further than that. You know exactly what I know. I can't wait to be a fly on the wall. I hope the trade does go through and Alan Lazard does go to the Steelers because now the Steelers have to find a replacement

for George Pickens. So somebody got to come in there. They need a body somewhere. I can't wait to see that. Deshaun, Deshaun Elliott. Yeah. Should we? He like that?

He like that? He got that. Is he like that? He's supposed to be that boy at DB? Ocho, Ocho, Ocho. I'm just, all I say, okay. Steeler Deshaun Elliott does not want Alan Lazar traded to his team.

On an IG post talking about Lazar being involved in heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh, Deshaun commented, Deshaun, Deshaun Elliott, blue checkmark, blue checkmark, he so cheeks. Yeah, I'm asking you, is he like that? He talked about his team. Is he that boy? Is he the... Ocho, you... Ocho, we both do the same thing.

I don't know. I'm asking you. I don't know. Listen, I... What you don't mean you don't know? Do you know? Yes, I know. He ain't good like that?

He like... He like... The next coming Revis? I guess he said, hey... I guess he said... He said... He said Lazard isn't like that. Is he Sertan?

Is he Ramsey? Is he Stingley? That's what I'm asking you. I mean, he, I'm, okay. That's all I want to know. I just want to know. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just said all year long, you said you like when players speak up.

That's how it is. I like that. So what does it matter if he's like that or not? Because do that to the opponent, not to somebody coming to you. No, you said you want players to tell the truth, even with their own team. That's what you say on most occasions. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I like that.

But I'm just, listen, like talking like that, you got to be that boy. Why? He telling the truth. You still got to be that boy. So unless you're not the boy, you can't tell the truth. So you can't be saying somebody else suck and then you ain't good at your job either. That don't make no motherfucking sense. That don't make no sense.

Just because I'm not good at my job, that don't mean he good at his. Two things can be true. I can suck at my job, he suck at his. Two things can be true. This is not a mutually exclusive endeavor here. Hey, listen. Listen, I'm an avid football fan. I'm an enthusiast.

I'm very passionate about this. So, obviously, I'm asking. You know how much I love the DB position. People in the chat, you know how much I love the DB position. I study the players that are at the position. Most of the time it's most of the big names. So the fact that I'm asking, is he even like that? I need to see him on film. Young Bull,

Deshaun Elliott, I'm watching you this year. I love you. I respect you. But you talk about my receivers. You talk about a friend of mine. So now I got watching you this year. I love you. I respect you. But you talk about my receivers. You talk about a friend of mine. So now I got my eyes on you. So now throughout the season, obviously, when the Steelers play, you got to play the Bengals. So I want to see what you do against Chase.

Huh? I want to see what you do against. But Lazard ain't Chase. I'm sure. I don't think he would have said that if they had, if they would have bought the trade with Chase. He's calling somebody on cheeks. So that means you got to be that boy. So now I'm expecting. I't think he would have said that if they had if they would have involved the trade movement with Chase calling somebody on cheeks so that means you got to be that boy

so now I'm expecting I was a trash talker I was a trash that's what I did I did that 13 years straight you know and I talk for a reason because I can walk

everything I back so if you're calling one person trash then you got to be that boy I'm excited everybody that talk trash ain't like that you think

so everybody that talk trash Jordan and Kobe no but oh oh oh only people that talk hey think about this the people that actually have the personality and and the balls and the goals to actually talk trash are actually that boy and I mean it helps hey I'm excited I now I listen'm excited. I like stuff like that. Did Lazar respond back? I don't know.

Did Lazar respond back? Well, he hadn't responded back at the time that we came on the air. I think the thing is, Ocho, now with social media and Quran, and you were talking about this in basketball, what players think of other players in their own locker room is differently

than what we at the outside think of certain players. So, maybe, maybe, maybe they played against each other

before. Maybe he thought, we thought like this, Ocho, but we didn't have a platform to go say, yeah, he's some cheeks,

he booty. Yeah. We didn't have no platform where somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something, he's some cheeks. He booty. Yeah. We didn't have no platform where somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something. We couldn't go comment under it.

I like this, though. We read about it in the newspaper. We saw it, but there was no way for us to comment on it. Or we might say, oh, we might say,

oh, he sucked amongst us in the locker room, but then nobody that wasn't in the locker room would hear it. I like it. Now, it's like, everybody's here that wasn't in the locker room would hear it. I like it. Now, everybody's seeing it.

They got a blue check mark, so it's him. I like it, but also... Unless he was hacked. But no, he wasn't hacked, but this is what it does, though, Uncle. When you put it out there like this on social media,

now you're going to have everybody watching you. Not only that, so if something goes wrong on your end during the season, what's the first thing they're going to bring up? Bingo. So now you getting eaten, or you getting toasted. Now you got the eye in the sky on you.

So you got to be careful. That's why I said, wait a minute. Did he really tweet it out like that publicly? In order to do that, you got to be that boy, and there's a certain level of confidence you got to carry when you talk trash like that on social media. That's what I was asking. Now, I know who Jory Porter Jr. is, you know?

Right. So, you know, Deshaun Elliott, boy, you on my radar, boy. You talk, you got to walk it, baby. And that's the thing is that he might have been talking about Alan Lazar, but all people are going to see is that that receiver beat you. So it doesn't matter who you talked about. Even though the receiver that beat you had nothing to do with it. You didn't say nothing about him. You was talking about him.

But, hey, that's on him now. It's out there now, Ocho. He said it. Ocho, the Cowboys made it. Ocho said they had something brewing. All right, now. Traded for George Pickens. They will send a 2026 third-round pick and a 2027 fifth-round pick

to the Steelers for Pickens and a 2027 sixth-round pick. The Cowboys have been searching for a legit wide receiver alongside CD. But is Pickens the answer for Dallas? Damn right he's the answer. We got Jadon Blue, CD Lamb, George Pickens the answer for Dallas? You got damn right he's the answer. You got Jadon Blue, CeeDee Lamb, George Pickens, and Jake Ferguson, along with Dak Prescott at the quarterback. Ocho, did the Steelers get enough for Pickens? Yeah.

I'm not worried about what the Steelers got. I ain't really thinking about them. The fact that you let one of the better players in the NFL go, despite the issues and the problems that he's had. Forget that. You just made Dallas better. You just made Dallas better. A lot of people in the chat, they might not understand

how good George Pickens actually is. He needs this. He needed to change the scenery. Not only did he get to change the scenery, he went to America's team. This is perfect for that. This is very, very good for Dak. Because not only is CeeDee Lamb a number one, you got you another number one in there too.

You got you another number one that can hit his head off the goalpost from anywhere. Slants, hitches, deep balls, whatever it may be. Dak Prescott has to be thanking the football gods for this addition to his offense. It makes him better, especially in NFC East. The Eagles, they got Devontae Smith, they got A.J. Brown. The Commanders, they got Deebo Shamer, they got Terry McLaurin. The Giants, well, the Giants only have Malik Nabors. I'm not sure that the quarterback situation is still questionable.

They have Jameis, they have Russell Wilson. But the Dallas Cowboys should make some noise this year, despite their defensive woes that have been issues for them, especially stopping the run. They should score 35-40 a game. They should score 35-40 a game. It shouldn't be no issues. I don't care nothing about your run a game.

To me, I'm not saying it's equivalent to getting Saquon Barkley. I'm just saying the addition of George Pickens will make them offensively that much better, especially if whoever the offensive coordinator is, I can't remember his name,

if they use him to... Brian Schottenheimer. Schottenheimer? Schottenheimer there? Yeah. He's the head coach, so he's the coordinator. Man, they're going to be straight, man.

They're going to be straight. Now, don't be surprised. I'm going to say it here first. There's no disrespect to my Eagles. Eagles, you know I love you. All my Eagles fans, you know I love you. No disrespect to the Commanders either. I love

y'all. But don't be shocked if the goddamn Cowboys win the NFC East. Simply because that one addition. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It makes a quarterback job easy. I've been telling Ocho I've been telling Ocho this

since we had Nightcap. I said it's called production and tolerance. And as long as production is here, tolerance will be here. Tolerance will never supersede production. I told Ocho this. I said, Ocho, I'm telling you. I said, their team will tolerate you until they can replace you. Remember we had that talk, right?

Remember I told you I'll talk with Pick? Remember after I told you I'll talk to him? Have you noticed you haven't had any issues from Pickens after that point? I think it was the local. Kansas City game, Christmas. Yeah. The Kansas City game. It happened.

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He didn't run? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But again, but again, he needed to change the scenery, y'all. I agree. This is a good thing for him. He's an immense talent. His name needs to be in the conversation of the top 10 receivers when it comes to not only production, because he has the talent to do it,

all Schottenheimer has to do is use him the right way to his strengths. He's going to be tremendous for the Cowboys. Hey, look, I've been trying to figure out what it is that's going on in Pittsburgh that all these receivers keep getting up out of there. I don't know,

but Uncle Ocho, I got a confession. What's that? Man, I've been a long-time Cowboy fan, man. You know, J. Joe... You from Arkansas.

You ain't got no choice. J. Joe alumni, listen, I'm happy for us as Cowboys fans, and I'm looking forward to us having a pretty solid season, man. That's all I'm saying. I know I had to get to know y'all before I told y'all that

because I know how y'all be. But you know what? I figured as much. Being from Arkansas, and Arkansas is close to Dallas, I didn't think it. Me, I wasn't going to say anything. I was like, you're probably. Yeah.

Because everybody, because a lot of people that I know from Arkansas, they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They root for the Cowboys. So I'm not surprised by this. But I agree with you, Ocho. I do think this significantly helps their offense. Now, the question is, who the hell are they going to have blocking for that?

The whole line? They got a little makeshift whole line right now, huh? Yeah, they do. I think they're going to be all right, though. They're going to be all right. And you know, what can the Eagles do, Ojo? They can run the ball, boy, and they can throw it, and they can block. They got the best.

They can get that quarterback. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I forgot all. They can get your quarterback. Yeah. yeah. Oh, my goodness. I forgot all. There you go. Get your quarterback. Yeah. And listen, this is important. This is an important year for Pick, too.

This is an important year. In the contract year. Man, there you go right there. He needs to get the. I know he's seen Jamal Chase. He's seen Justin Jefferson. He's seen T. Higgins. And everybody else getting paid.

He deserves to be paid in that upper echelon of one of the top receivers in the league. And this is his year. This is his year. No problems, no issues, no attitudes, no playing around. This is the money year for you. Go out there and handle your business. Yeah, that's it.

I'm trying to be in that $30 million receiver range. We're going to throw him the ball. Yeah. Oh, he's going to get it now throw him the ball. Yeah. Oh, he going to get it now. Yes, sir. Who you think won the trade, Ocho? The Cowboys won the trade.

The goddamn Steelers ain't even got no quarterback situation yet. I don't care how many picks you got. Third round, two, second round, first round. Man, you have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year.

Someone tweeted, Ocho, Dallas just broke the golden rule. Never buy a wide receiver. Mike Tomlin is selling. Do you agree? No, I'm not sure how that's the golden rule I don't understand because every

every receiver every receiver Antonio Brown how did hold on okay hold on hold on Martavius Bryant

how did that work out I'm not sure I can't remember where he went okay Antonio Brown how did he work out well when he left believe

where everywhere he went Raiders oh you talking about Okay, Antonio Brown. It worked out well when he left. For who? Everywhere he went. Raiders. Oh, you're talking about what they did personally. I can't touch on that. Okay, I see what you mean. No, so it worked out well. Okay, how about Chase Claypool?

Okay, okay. Go ahead, go ahead. Deontay Johnson. He hasn't been able to get his foot in the mud yet. Okay. Three teams. Three teams. He's in Cleveland right now, right? Yeah, him and Jerry Jewel, they're going to do damage.

Where did he get traded to? Carolina. He went to Carolina first. Carolina to where? And then he went somewhere else, right? Yeah. And what did Baltimore do, Ocho? Joe, what you laughing at, Joe?

Yeah, I'm just asking. Hey, we're going to be all right, though. We're going to be all right. So I can understand what the tweet is saying. Never buy a receiver. San Antonio Holmes, Plax made – Plax had that great – had that one season that he played with the Giants. They won the Super Bowl.

Mike Wallace, he kind of didn't have – I mean, he kind of bounced around. He had a pretty good year in Baltimore. But I think he got – he went to – where'd he go first? He went to Miami, didn't he? Didn't he go to Miami? I thought he was in Miami first. Or Minnesota. He went to – I think you'll think Mike Wallace went to Minnesota,

went to Miami first. I can't remember. I can't remember. And then he ended up going to Baltimore, right? I don't remember. I don't remember. That Nick Mike was fast. Hold Baltimore, right? I don't remember. I remember that Nick Mike was fast. Hold on. What you trying to say, y'all?

You saying the wide receivers, they come from the Steelers? They don't do nothing when they leave? I don't know why they have these issues when they're in Pittsburgh. That's what I don't get. Because they got me. They're immensely talented. Santorio Holmes was Super Bowl MVP, Ocho. Yeah. And they let him walk. Yeah.

A, B, and he's still my, because he's a Hall of Fame talent. I just think he's going to have to wait a lot longer than what he should have based on the numbers that he put up, Ocho. That's all I'm saying. Claypool, I don't know what had happened to him. Martavius Bryant, we know he had some issues.

But you look at the receiver, the one thing Steelers can do, Ocho, they can draft receivers. I don't know how. Always, always. The Steelers, listen, the Steelers, the Bengals, who else always have a receiver? The Cowboys.

They had Emmanuel Sanders. Emmanuel Sanders was great in Denver. But they just couldn't pay everybody. So, I mean, some of them, but some of the guys that they kept, they ended up having issues and ended up leaving. Is Claypool still in the league? I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure either. I know not sure. I'm not sure either. I know one thing. This is a do or die season for George Pickens. His back is against the wall. He deserves to be paid. I understand the talent. You know the talent. People in the chat that actually watch the game of football,

despite whatever issues he may have on field sometimes, some of the antics, he is immensely talented when used the right way. I think the Steelers kind of didn't do him due justice, and obviously he didn't help his— Well, I mean, the Steelers didn't have no quarterback to do him justice. Yeah, that too. So what he did with what he had to work with, he did the best he could.

Now, one where he's going now with another elite partner on the other side of you, he's going to eat. I'm telling you, he's going to eat. As you mentioned, Ocho, the NFC East, you got CD, Pickens, Neighbors, Debo,

McLaurin, Devontae, and A.J. Brown. Is are they doing over there, boy? Is that the best division for receivers? Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm from top to bottom. Now, there are other good receivers in other divisions, but they take the cake, boy.

Yep. They take the cake. Yeah. I mean, most teams, like, yeah, they don't have – I mean, I think the like, yeah, they don't have, I mean, I think the NFC North with Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay. Yeah, they got nice looks, but not like this. They got some good ones.

Not like this. NFC, let's see, NFC West, nope. NFC South, nope. Yep. NFC North. Nope. NFC South. Nope. Yep. NFC North. We just mentioned the North. AFC South. Nope.

AFC West. Now, AFC South got some good ones. Because they got Travis Hunter. They got Brian Thomas Jr. That's a good one. They got Tank. They got Nico Thomas Jr. That's a good book. They got Tank. They got Nico. Yeah. Tennessee got Calvin Ridley.

He by himself, huh? I think he is by himself. Because Trelon Brooks ain't working. He ain't working. And then you got the ones in Indy. And he got like nice little squad with Pip and Julian. But still, it's not like the NFC East, though. Yeah. Because AJ

has been to the Pro Bowl. McLaurin, Debo, Neighbors, CD. I think Pickett's been to the Pro Bowl once. Devontae, yeah, so all these guys are Pro Bowl players. Yeah, NFC East got the best receivers. Falcons fans are upset that the first-round draft pick,

Jalen Walker, will wear number 11. Julio Jones is the fastest player in history to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000, and 13,000 yards. He most season averaging 100 yards a game. Most season with 250 yards. But the Falcons gave away his number 11 with the quickness and didn't retire. Should that Falcons have given away a number

11? No. Yes, they should not have given it away. Absolutely not. He's the best wide receiver in Falcons history. He's a bad booker. And you know, look, I know Dre, and what's the other one?

White. Roddy White. 84, yeah. They had, you know, Billy White, Shoes Johnson. They had Alfred Jenkins. Nah. Julio. Different.

Different. But, you know, owners... I don't think... Yeah, they didn't leave on the best of terms. Owners don't see it the same way we see it. You know, in understanding what they meant for the franchise the way fans see julio i mean one of the best not actually not one of one of the best all time not only that but one of the bet the best receiver to come out of the organization

and they just don't see the value in that especially the retired jersey yeah i guess they don't seem to think nobody should get their jury retired to them. Well, let's see if they get that number eight away. What, what, what number is a Michael Penney Jr.

Cause Matt Ryan was eight, right? Matt Ryan was two. Let's see if they, somebody get that too. You think they're going to get that two away on. Yeah. Yeah.

I listen. I mean, they, there was a, there was also a little, a little not turmoil, You think they're going to get that two away, Ojo? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I mean, there was also a little, not turmoil, just a little incident. Somebody with the Browns took two from, yeah. He already had it or he took, what do you mean? I mean, so another player, I'm not sure who the player is. I don't, don't, I don't, don't quote me. I don't, I don't want to butcher anybody's name, but he chose two, and Shador have to wear 12. I'm saying he new to the Browns or he already been there, Ocho.

That's what I'm asking. Yeah, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, but I definitely think Julio, they should not have given that number 11 to anybody. That's Julio Jones. I wouldn't even want to wear it. I wouldn't even want to wear it.

I wouldn't either. That's why I be wondering when some of these kids be coming out and they be wanting some of these Legends numbers, I be like, man, why would you want to even do that? Yeah. Yeah. You see Abdul Carter wanted to wear 56 for the Giants.

Yeah. 56 and a number 11. Because Phil Simms wore number 11. It's retired. Yeah, with Phil... 56, 92, Strays' It's retired. Yeah, with Phil Fancy. 56, 92. Stray's number's retired. I think, uh, uh, uh.

Is Don Meredith's number retired? Maybe Y.A. Tittle. I don't know. Y.A. Tittle. I think Jazz don't have many numbers retired, but they got a few. I think Stray. I think Stray. I know Stray. I think Stray's.

LT. Sims. Damn. Damn. Oh, yeah. Oh, well. oh yeah oh well yeah but they definitely should have the julio jones number should be they should nobody should wear that number he was he was too good and i i get it see sometimes i think ocho people allow the last year to ruin 10 or 11 really great years. And although it didn't end on the best of terms,

he's still Julio. He still, he still did a great job for that organization. He was a model citizen in the community and that should, you know, yeah. I mean, for him to be,

to be what he was for that organization, the numbers that he put up, I definitely think he was more than deserving to have that number retired. But it happened at age. I remember when I left, I left Denver and went to Baltimore.

They gave my number to Chris. What's Chris' last name? I forget now. Man, you were on Super Bowls over there, didn't you? Yeah. What was Chris? Damn, I forget the guy's name now. In 2000.

Who wore number 84 in 2000? But when I came back back it was in my locker bro i was like you actually thought i was gonna come back here and you were gonna be 84 and i was gonna be another number you thought that man please chris cole yeah chris Cole where's he from Texas A&M I seen well you know

playmaker he like he like for the wide receivers the way his numbers though uh uh Michael oh yeah

cause cause he say they talk about him when they talk about him yeah they got their own little club going over there yeah

they don't really I mean like they don't really retire a whole lot of numbers like the Steelers I mean it's only a handful of people that had that like Joe Green I think Joe Green 75 Terry Bradshaw 12

Ernie Stotner I think Ernie wore 72 but they had a whole lot DeAndre Carter. But, I mean, if they retired all them Steelers great, man, you ain't going to have no numbers. You ain't going to have no numbers. Like Boston.

I mean, you think about Swann, 88, 82, 32, 12, 47. I think Mel Blunt's number might be retired. Blunt. I mean, look at all those Hall of Famers. They had like five or six on defense at one time. Two receivers, the center, running back, quarterback. So that's five on offense. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Jack Hamm, Lambert, Donnie Shell.

Five on defense. So you got 10 Hall of Famers out of your 22. How do you like that, Ocho? You're coaching the Hall of Fame and your owner. Boy, the real deal. Yeah. And you can make a case LC Greenwood should be in the Hall of Fame. But I definitely think Julio.

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