Nightcap - Nightcap NFL Recap - Part 2: Top 10 QBs entering 2025 + Garret Wilson got PAID

Episode Date: July 16, 2025

Unc and Ocho praise Garrett Wilson for new contract extension with the Jets but what does this mean for Terry McLaurin? Plus, what's next for the Jauan Jennings and more!  53:57 - Garrett Wilson signs extension1:06:02 - Top 10 QBs entering 20251:16:05 - Justin Herbert Underrated?1:30:31 - Jauan Jennings wants a new trade (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Next week out. Garrett Wilson signs a four-year extension worth $130 million, which makes him one of the highest paid wide receivers in the NFL. The number 10 overall pick in the 2022 NFL draft, Wilson is entering his fourth season in the NFL. He's had at least 1,000 yards every year and posted a career high, 101 catches

and seven touchdowns last year. I like the deal. Oh, sure. They get one of the better players. They get him locked up. They drafted him. He's homegrown. You know what he is.

You, Hey, you watch this guy for the last three years come in and out of your building. You watched him work, uh, come show up every Sunday and Thursday or whenever the guys play, so you know what you have. There is no speculation. Well, I wonder what we're going gonna get when we get Garrett Wilson and I built it well you've had it in your building for the better part of three years so you know exactly who and what this young man is I like this deal I like ain't no haggling well I want to be the highest paid look to make me an

saw him do it as rookie year. I understand how special he is. I understand what he can do. And I'm glad he had Justin Fields. I just need for the off-court coordinator to continue to put- It's college quarterback. They have chemistry. They know each other.

Yes. I just need him to put, I need them to continue to put Gary Wilson in positions to continue to make plays and make Justin Fields' job easier. But it's gonna be easy because you got that young, you got that young bell cow in the backfield that can hit his head off the goal post from anywhere on the field. So I think things gonna be a little easy for him. I'm glad

he got his money, but what it does do not to go off topic, but it raises the price tag for my young bull down over there with the commandos. Oh Terry McClory. Who they need to go get it. Man come on that scary Terry deserve to get paid. He's done everything. He's been a model citizen. He wears that seal on his chest for a reason. There's no need every time, every time, unless you're a quarterback. You got to fight tooth and nail for your money every time.

No matter how you carry yourself, you do everything the right way. You're a perfect teammate. You say all the right things. But when it comes time for that money, it's time to pay your players. They do it to any and everybody, no matter how you conduct yourself. My thing is, like I said, Ocho,

you and I are privy to the conversation behind the scene. What is he asking? Is he asking for Chase and Jefferson's money? Or does he want to be one of the highest paid somewhere in that 28 to 32 33 million dollar range? He belongs in the conversation I'm not saying Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase money but we ain't dropping too far below that. Well I think the thing is we looking at Garrett Wilson.

Basically 30 what 30 what is that 32, 33, 30, you're what, four to 31 or three, and then you got one 10, so you got about 32 million a year. So that's what I said. So I just put it, I put it in that bracket, Ocho. I think I like that bracket a little bit more than that. Cause you look at the body of work,

let's look at the body of work with what McLaurin has done. I think he deserves a little bit more than that. Now this is no disrespect to what Garrett Wilson has done in his three years, but McLaurin and what he's meant for that team, what he's meant for that city, what he's meant for that organization, what he's meant for that team as a captain and doing all the right things, even when things were bad. So you're looking at about five a year. What did DK get? DK got something around that. That seems to be, unless you're Chase, unless you're Jefferson, that seems to be, he's the 5th highest paid by annual value. So that seems to be CD, CD is a tick below. I think Jetta got 35 a year, CD slotted up under that, he got 34 a year, Chase pole vaulted, he did Armando Diplantis, he pole vaulted over everybody and broke the world record with

over 40, basically over 40 million a year. So now I guess everybody else that comes along, you're going to be slotted somewhere between 30 and 33. Are you okay with that, OJ? He got to be, he got to be he got to be I'm sure I'm sure Someone like mclauren knowing him and understanding him the way he carries himself the way he conducts himself Just in journal type person he is he ain't trying to take all the goddamn bank He's not trying to take all the goddamn bag. You want to get as much as you can

Of value, but don't let him disrespect you with the numbers as you can of value, but don't let him disrespect you with the numbers. Yes. I think sometimes those people get carried away. They start basing their value on what somebody else got. Yeah. Maybe Washington doesn't view you like Cincinnati views Chase or like Minnesota views Jetta. And so, okay, I'm just saying. So I can't, I can't work, I can't work at, let's just say for the sake of argument,

I can't work at Dollar General and then get mad and say, well, they pay the people over there Walmart more. Well, I ain't working over there. I work right here. Right, right, right. Right. Now, unless they go make a trade and put you in a situation. So right now he's behind Chase, Jetta, CD and DK.

Like I say, okay, that's the fifth highest paid. So who's the next receiver? Puka. I think Puka is going to probably be due to be somewhere slotted in there. He's going to be looking at, you know, 32 to 33, 34 million. Yes sir. Yeah. Cause I think when you talk about who's the best receiver, I think for the most part, people say either Jetta or Chase. Those are normally the first two names that roll off everybody's lips, Ocho. And look, we're not trying to slot nobody, but I'm just saying, when you ask people, when you ask DBs, they say Jetta, they say Chase, blah, so forth and so on.

And that's not trying to diminish anybody else because obviously, CD's done what he's done. DK has had had unbelievable season. We know what Tyreek is and when Tyreek healthy and they got decent quarterback play, so we know what Tyreek is. But at the end of the day, give me a good number. Give me a good number I can feel comfortable with. I don't feel disrespected.

And because I look at the end of the day, Ocho, I like a negotiation like this. Everybody needs to feel like they've been had. Because let me tell you what happens. A lot of time in negotiations, they build up resentment. I would, Ocho, and this is why I always done business. I would rather, I would rather take a few dollars less because when you look at it, Ocho, you tell me, Ocho, what can't you do with 33

million that you got to have 34? Because I guarantee you, if you blow 34, if you blow 33, you'd blow for 34. I would rather you, okay, hey, here it is Shannon, this is what we're going to give you, than you begrudgingly give me more and then it ruined. And we've seen that Ocho, we've seen teams that begrudgingly give a player more and at the first chance they get, they upset the offset player. Yep, that's how it works. And it's almost getting to that point. I'm not sure how negotiations are going right now when it comes to the commanders and your

brother McLaurin. But I do know is when it was time for Chase and T, when it's time for Chase and T, we talk about easily top duo and Jamar Chase, the best right now in the game. Obviously, that's a conversation that could be had depending on your your preference on who you like they were giving chase a hard time. Jeddah was the only one that didn't have a hard time. Listen listen if they're giving chase a hard time what you think they're doing down there in DC? For sure. Jeddah was minding his own business he got a phone call hey yeah, we just gave you 35 a year. Really?

I would even. Yeah. Wasn't expected it. But I mean, I think you bet you better lock him up. There are some players when they play. It's like it's common sense. It's common sense. What are we doing?

It's like, you know what, Ocho? It's like. Go ahead and do it earlier than late because the earlier you do it, because by that second year, he looks like a bargain. That's what the Patriots are, that's what the Patriots so good at. Oh, they gave him a boatload of money. Two years into the deal, they're like, damn, they stole him.

They stole Richard Seymour. They stole Tom Brady. They stole Rob Gronkowski. They stole Logan Seymour. They stole Tom Brady. They stole Rob Gronkowski. They stole Logan Mankins. They stole all these guys. Speaking of, I'm glad you just said that. Talk about stealing. Talk about paying players early, having a method to your madness.

Let's talk about Howie Rosen and Jeffrey Lurie. What are they doing? How do you think they have all those players accumulate, not only draft and smart, but paying them ahead of time on purpose? Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant businessmen. It is because guess what Ocho? Now we had bought Bitcoin earlier, it was a little, hey think about it now. We could have bought it when it was $50 a coin or we or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or We saw Odea took his money and some of it in crypto. Trevor Lawrence took some of his signing bonus. Some of the other guys have taken money in crypto.

I don't, I don't. And you can't have it. You gotta write the number down. I just saw one guy had like $270 million in his, what do they call it? His pocketbook or whatever they call it. Hey, and fuck, who got his password? And they only give you so many tracks to get it before it's. So no, I don't

know. I don't I don't I don't know anything about it. Oh, Joe. It's kind of like it's kind of like gambling like you go to the casino and they try to get you to play these games. I said, well, you got some coins you're gonna let me play with because I'll play. I'll learn how to play it with your money, but I ain't learning how to play it with mine. Absolutely not. I'm not learning how to invest with my money. I'm going to go with somebody that, hey, that understands it a lot better

than Shannon that can help Shannon understand it. But no, I don't understand digital currency. I don't understand the computer. I can cut it on. That's that's about all I got. I don't even know. I don't know anything about the computer. If they can't, if they can't just, like on my phone, they got Google. I can hit ESPN, I can hit Google News. That's about all I got.

Or let me type in something. I think like on a computer, you gotta type in like WW something, right? Oh yeah. I know. Yeah. Hey, you know, you don't even have to type in a WW. You just type in whatever you look for.

On a computer. .com and you'll pop up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Little shortcut, little shortcut. I learned that in the WW. You just type in whatever you look for.com and then pop up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A little shortcut. A little shortcut. I learned I learned that in high school. No, I don't know nothing about

the computer. So, I stay off the computer. I got I got a couple of in my house. I ain't been on him. I can't I can honestly tell you I can't interpret the last time. I mean, even like what? Get on Zoom. Jordan come over here. Set that thing up

for me and he. Yeah he take off and leave. A lot of time, it was right there, hung up. I called back on my phone, I was talking to him on my phone. Oh, I tried, I could get, hey, I said, don't worry. I said, I'm sorry. Hey, well try this. I said, y'all doing all this talking,

y'all wasted time. We could be talking right now. So I hey, well, try this. I say y'all doing all this talking. Y'all wasted time. We could be talking right now. Yeah. So, I just called back on my phone but hopefully, like you said, congratulations to Garrett Wilson. 4 years, 130 million dollars. He earned

every dime of it. Rookie of the year had a career year last year, 101 catches, seven touchdowns. He's had a thousand yards every year. He's been in the NFL. Kudos. All right, Ocho, execs, coaches, scouts ranked the top ten quarterbacks entering 2025. No surprise at the top, Mahone Boy. Number two, Josh Allen.

Number three, Joe Burrow. Number four, Lamar Jackson. Number five, Jayden Daniels. Number six, Matthew Staff Jackson. Number five, Jane Daniels. Number six, Matthew Stafford. Number seven, Justin Herbert. Number eight, Jerry Goff. Number nine, Jalen Hurt. Number 10, Baker Mayfield. Ocho, what did the execs get right? What did they get wrong? get right, what did they get wrong? Check out Behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved.

San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need veteran players and we need young players. Like, you're building a team from scratch, and so the succession plan of long-term success needs to be defined. We need to embrace this community. When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier, and we watched Paraguay against Chile, pouring rain, just watching the fans jumping up and down. I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me.

Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow, now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes, and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daly's

top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is into the end zone! Touchdown, Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson?

Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth. Oh, he broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown. He is Houdini. You are going to have to listen to find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, obviously these are the execs. These are the people that sit up top, that watch the game, that understand the game, that know the game.

Sometimes better than casual fans, sometimes they don't. But now when it comes to two to three, two, three, four, two, three and four, that's interchangeable. Boy, you took the words out of my mouth. Master, get out. Hey, two, three, hey, two, three, and four is interchangeable and is based on preference.

Like, number one is number one. Number one is going to be who number one is for a very long time, what he's been able to do in his NFL career in such a short amount of time. Going down is one of the greatest and he's still goddamn playing. But two, three, and four is interchangeable. For me, you know I'm putting Burrow second.

I'm putting Burrow second. For me personally, after Burrow, I'm going Lamar. As much as I love Josh Allen. Love Josh Allen to death. I love him to death. But obviously, after Josh, I mean you can go Jayden Day, you can go CJ, I'm surprised CJ Shroud is not there. Yeah, I think the sophomore slump because then it took this list after his

rookie year. I'm not so sure he's not in the top 10 and then and and and one of the things I do have in Palu is how do we have the Super Bowl winning quarterback not in the top five? How do we not have the Super Bowl winning quarterback? Not in the top question. What are these ex looking at? Okay, if we take it, we put Jayler hurts in the top five. Let me ask you a question. Who are you kicking out? What are the execs looking at? Okay, if we take, if we put Jalen Hurst in the top five, who are you taking out the top five? You already said Mahomes is not going anywhere. I wouldn't have to take him out. He would be five. Okay, so that means you kick Jane Daniels out?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Simply because Hurst is coming off a Super Bowl winning season. I mean that's how I would have put it. So when it comes to the execs and making that decision, I'm not sure what they're basing that off of. Because Jaden Daniels had a hell of a year last year going to the NC Championship. Well hell, CJ Stroud made the playoffs his rookie year and turned that damn program, turned that damn franchise around his first year. People really love Justin Herbert.

I don't see how Justin, I mean coming into the season. Okay, I get it. He got it all. He got it all. Talent Ocho is undeniable. Yes. Yes. But how Jalen Hurts take a step back when he has the, he still has the best offensive

line in football. He has the best running back in football. He has a receiver core. He has the best running back in football. He has a receiver core. He might have a top, well, he might have, he does have a top three receiving duo. So how's he not like ranked? I'm not so sure that I have, I wouldn't put, I get it.

If you're just looking at somebody saying, okay, we're gonna just go have y'all go out there and throw the ball. Oh, he gonna wow you. He can throw the ball probably 60 yards on the dime. He can throw from one hash all the way up to the other. He can throw, he can make all the throws. We're not denying that.

Right. But are we sure? Yeah. Are we sure? Yeah. Hey, he's like that. He, I mean, I'm just saying he's like that based on watching him. He was a.

When when Mike Williams and Kenan Allen were there. Yeah. Herbert was a quarterback, right? Oh, yeah, we're not. Oh, Joe, we're not going to deny that he can't spin the ball because he can. Hey, he can. He can flat out throw it. And Miami's situation might be a lot different had they had him at quarterback and he's throwing the waddle and Tyreek and John New Smith and some of the other guys that had the opportunity.

But here we are. That'd be nasty. I'll tell you what, the thing that what Josh does is that Josh has, he throws like 30 touchdowns, he might rush for 10, 15 touchdowns. That's what you like. Bro, how do we defend this guy? Because if it's 30 and one, he normally is gonna get it.

Except that what, that fourth down when they went for it and they changed the rule. You notice, Buffalo, y'all done got a lot of rules changed. Y'all got the overtime rule changed because my homeboy got the ball and y'all didn't get it. And so they say, now we want everybody to touch the ball in overtime. No, at least everybody get the opportunity.

And now they got instruments that's gonna measure the first down. When they've been having the yard marker for a hundred years since they've had football, they had the yard marker. Now... But this is a good thing. When you bring technology into the game, technology isn't going to get it right every time. Because human error is inevitable. Yes! Human error is inevitable. When it comes to technology, they're not going to get it wrong. A lot of people that love the game of soccer, they don't like D.A.R. Technology, don't get it wrong. How many times we don't see the man, that man

fumble the ball and they said he didn't fumble or that wasn't no fumble and they said he did fumble or that was an incomplete pass and it wasn't an incomplete pass. Right, right, right. Because they still got to call, they still got to call the New Jersey. Oh yeah, oh yeah, most definitely. Hey, speaking of quarterbacks, now that we're on that situation, hey, chat, and I'm sure the chat will probably agree with me as well. One player where we're going to have to have a conversation about him because he was the number one pick.

He has all the tools. And now he has the talent around him to where he should look and be in the same conversation with the upper echelon of quarterbacks especially those top 10 that were just named and that's my young boy Daniel in Jacksonville there are no more excuses oh no hell no there are no more excuses you got trevis atn you got travis hunter now you got brian tommy jr i'm not sure who they have in the slot but this is the year yeah it the slot but this is the year. Yeah, it's either not.

This is either not never. You you you got to live up to your potential. Come on now. Come on sunshine. Yeah. Yeah. It's not never and I think they got a running back. I don't know the running back's name that that's kind of ATN. He he kind of

Tank. Oh yeah. Hey buddy, we're toting that up, right? Yes. Yeah, he was toting that thing. He was toting that thing. So it's gonna be interesting. You're right, Ocho. Question is, can they protect?

How good is the defense gonna be? Cause look, that division, in that division you got Tennessee. Tennessee's going with the rookie. All right, CJ Stroud. We love what they do in Houston. Indy, Indy is kind of unknown. They seem like they're going to be leaning towards Daniel Jones.

That's what it looks like to me, Ocho. Now you could whatever. I don't think you bring a guy, give a guy 14 million for him to be a backup. Listen, that's you know what? That's I can't say what I want to say, Listen, that's you know what? That's I can't say what I want to say because those conversations that I had

were in just for me not to be repeated on here. But what you just said is is what it's looking like. I'm going to say I'm just going to tell you like that. How do you go? Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate. And this is coming from in there reliable source

I'm not Adam Shaffer, but I'm let me take my glass off. So, you know, I ain't bullshit Reliable source come on Oh Joe how they gonna pay how they gonna pay how they gonna come in and pay somebody that works up Under you more than they pay you If they're not bringing that person in there to take your job. You know what they do. Yeah, I know they do when they sign up and take 14 million. Yeah, absolutely.

Absolutely. But again, is he the answer? Is he the answer? Because he wasn't the answer in New York, but you think something changes because you come over here? Okay, tell me the question you're asking. And then I'll tell you if he'd answer? Because he wasn't the answer in New York, but you think something changes because you come over here? Okay, tell me the question you're asking. And then I'll tell you if he'd answer or not. When you talk about an answer, I need a question.

I know, listen, I know one thing. They got goddamn Jonathan Taylor back there, Alec Pierce, Michael Pittman Jr., and goddamn it's one more. Oh, they got a nice little squad over there. I can't remember the name. Yeah, they got a nice little squad now. They got a nice little squad over there. I can't remember the name. Yeah, they got a nice little squad now. They got a nice little squad. And the defense ain't too shabby now.

The defense ain't too shabby. Isaiah Franklin might be one of the best in the NFL. I'm not saying he's not Fred Warner. They got Hunt. They got a nice little D-line. Yeah. Hey, who's the D in? The D in that's real good in indie.

It's the D and he make a whole lot of noise, man. Uh, Petty? Nah, I think he went 99. That's right. He came from San Francisco. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Okay, Ocho, they got Alec Pierce, they got Josh Downs, they got Michael Pittman Jr. Okay, Alec Pierce is the one that went number 10, huh?

He be cooking for me. Hey, boy, hey, that, hey, hey, Alec Pierce, boy, you can go, boy, you hear me? Yeah, he be cooking for me. You can, boy, you can go. He be cooking for me. Every time, listen, every time I turn around, he be hiring somebody, Ocho.

Alec Pierce making a play. Hiring somebody. He be cutting. Oh Joe, after Herbert came in at number seven Jeremy Fowler spoke to an AFC executive who praised his steady play but made an interesting observation about how he's perceived around the league. He's always been a top five top AQB, accurate to all levels, athletic, sound decision maker. The exec said, it's almost like he's underrated now.

In my opinion, he's taken for granted. Huh? All I know is that man had a 27 point lead and they lost. That underrated quarterback that we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know what games like that, if you got a 27 point lead, you know what the number one thing you need to have with a 27 point lead being a game manager.

That the one word that quarterbacks don't want to be called that they, that they think is so bad, you manage the game. You be a game manager. I'm not saying it's simple, it's easier said than done, but your decision making, the way you process information with a 27 point lead, it becomes different. You don't put the ball in harm's way. You don't want three and outs. You want long drives.

Kill the goddamn clock. The greatest game manager and the greatest quarterback, they're the same player, Tom Brady. Look at Tom Brady in that Super Bowl against the Rams. He realized that it was gonna be, hey man, look here, 10, 13 points might win this game. Right, right. Then he said, if you go look at Carolina, he said, man, we, 13 points might win this game. Right, right. Then he says, you go look at Carolina,

he said, man, we're a shootout. We got, hey, we got to score. How many times you see Tom Brady blow up 21 point lead, a 14 point lead, because he understood. The one thing that I admire most about him, and there's a lot of things that you can admire about Tom Brady, is that he understood in the first drive or two what type of game was going to be and what type of game he was going to

need to play. Bro I'm gonna need to throw for 350 400 in this game nah 145 and no Turner was going to win it for us. Sometimes you get so caught up in who we are I'm great I'm great let me show everybody I'm great in all situations when that's not needed. Tom understood that even at like in the beginning, he was a purely a game manager. They played to their defense, but even after he became Tom Brady, the Tom Brady that TB 12, the historically and transcendent figure that he was that he is, he still understood his role. Man, I can't turn the ball over. Yeah. Simple.

Simple. A lot of quarterbacks don't understand that because they get to a certain level. They feel, excuse me, I got to play at this level. Nah, sometimes it doesn't require you to throw 300. Sometimes 150, one touchdown, then no turnovers. Or you could throw for 350, but you have three picks and lose the game. The choice is yours. Yeah.

And Tom has done a great job of that. There have been few and far between games in which you like, what's happening? Hey, yeah, Tom, you know, the turnover there, they hurt us. He understood. And sometimes Ocho, you have to, he fell behind and you have to like throw, throw, throw. Well, hell, if I know there ain't no threat of no running game, hey. But it was hard because he knew, he knew where he was weak. He knew where you

were weak. He stayed to his strength and played to your weakness. Mm-hmm. Check out Behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club. We go behind the scenes and explore the stories of those involved. San Diego coming to MLS is going to be a game changer because this region has been hungry for a men's professional soccer team. We need veteran players and we need young players. Like, you're building a team from scratch, and so the succession plan of long-term success needs to be defined.

We need to embrace this community. When I was 13, my uncle took me to a qualifier, and we watched Paraguay against Chile, pouring rain, just watching the fans jumping up and down. I think that was definitely a watershed moment for me. Not only was that going to be my game, but it was going to be my life. Listen to San Diego FC Behind the Flow, now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Now on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season, NFL Daily is

going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes, and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it. Where's Patrick Mahomes?

Mahomes is into the end zone, touchdown, Kansas City. He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth. Oh, he broke his ankles. And he's got a touchdown.

He is Houdini. You are going to have to listen to find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years, starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh yeah. Yeah, me personally, I don't think Justin Herbert is underrated.

I think he's rated about where he's supposed to be. I think he's a very good quarterback. I think he has some great talent around him. But I don't know, underrated, where, I mean, who you putting him in front of? Yeah, five to eight, okay. And I know people say, well, if you gave him that situation what Jalen Hurts had.

Ooh. Okay. I got, you gotta be, got to be with the situation that you got. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. You can't all the comparison hypotheticals. It makes no sense. It makes no sense. You are where you are. I think you put any of the you put on you put any of the top quarterbacks in daily her situation. I think they wouldn't go. And they went in the Super Bowl.

Yeah. I mean look at offensive line. He got the if you said, okay, give the 10 top offensive linemen, he probably got four of them. Four of them. Four. The two tackles are definitely going to be in the top 10. You can make a case that Lane Johnson is the best. Now when when when uh um. Wait, make a case. Wait, whoa, Lane Johnson is the best. Now when, when, when. Wait, make a case. Wait, whoa, whoa, Lane Johnson is the best right tackle. No, I'm saying when you say, I'm just, Q main tackle.

Now when Big Trent, when Big Trent healthy, Big Trent held that. He's the best left, he's the best left tackle in the game. We can't, we can't forget there, Deion Dawkins, Deion Dawkins played that tackle. He played left, he played left. But you look at Jordan Mylotta, you look at Landon Dixon, you look at the center, I think it's Jergens, right left left left left left left left left left left left

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left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left left He got the right name. His mom, when they named him, they named the right thing. Cause you run to that side, it's a damn lane. Best believe it. So he, he got the right name. But me personally, evaluating, looking at all these quarterbacks and see where they're ranked, I don't think Justin Herbert is,

I'm not taking Justin Herbert over any of these guys that's in front of him. I'm not, I'm not taking them on Matthew Stafford. I'm not taking them over Jalen Hurts. I'm not. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I don't understand. I don't understand what the exec did

or what they were looking at or how they made the assessment where they had Jaden Daniels at fifth and the Super Bowl winning quarterback at eighth or seventh or whatever it might have been. I don't have it happening at ninth at that. I don't understand that. Are they using the talent around them against it?

Yes. And saying they're putting James Daniels at five because he did more with less? Not more, but obviously he didn't win that Pacific game, but still. But even Zubot, they lost and played extremely well. He had those two calls for the turnovers. But if you look at it, he played extremely well. And you know, you can't turn the ball over in a situation like that And he had the one turnover but they overcame it and they forced Mahomes and that team in the more turnovers and they won

The game going away the game wasn't even close. It wasn't even interesting after the first couple of drives Mm-hmm Yeah, but I don't me personally I don't think Justin Herbert it'll be interesting to see what the chat thinks But I don't think Justin Herbert, it'll be interesting to see what the chat thinks, but I don't think Justin Herbert is underrated. Speaking of Hertz, Nick Sarayani went off on critics who say Jalen Hertz was carried to the Super Bowl by his team. Yeah, that's BS.

Anytime I hear that, it's cool. It's like, it's a nice debate thing that people like to have, and I get it. There are a lot of hours on TV and show and radio stations that have to feel it to be able to debate I understand that but we're talking about the ultimate team game There it is and he does whatever he needs to do in order to win each and every game

Oh Joe is the criticism of Jalen hurts. Is it warranted? You know what I don't think because the game is not pretty he's not going for three hundred yards every game. You know, they don't drop back and throw the ball a hundred million times. You know, they don't have to. I like the quarterback that Jalen Hurts plays. I like the way he plays the game. The game of football is not complicated, Unc. It's really simple. I'm going to take what you give me and not going to make any mistakes. I have Saquon Barkley. I'm going to hand it off to him. He's going to make things happen. And when it's time to play the ball, when it's time to throw the ball and we have plays

for AJ Brown, we have played for Devontae Smith, some games, AJ Brown going to be mad. Why? Because they W, but Devontae Smith is going off. Then you have some games where hell, AJ Brown going to go crazy. And Devontae Smith is not off. Then you will have some games where hell, AJ Brown gonna go crazy. And Devontae Smith is not gonna get the ball. That's the way the game is played. It's simple, at times we tend to complicate it because it doesn't look pretty

and it's not aesthetically pleasing the way Josh Allen does or the way Joe Burrow throw for 400 yards. That's not the game that they play over there in Philly, which is probably why they're gonna be back again in the Super Bowl. Let me tell you, Ocho, look, it's, if I like y'all make a case for you.

They held it against Terry Bradshaw. Nobody's ever said Terry Bradshaw was the best because why? He had the best offensive line, he had a Hall of Fame center, he had two Hall of Fame receivers, he had a Hall of Fame running back, and he had five, six Hall of Famers on the defensive side of football. So he never, and he called his own plays so he never got the credit. They didn't hold it against Joe.

Joe just happened, I can make a case. When people talk about the best players to ever play, there are three names that always come up. Tom Brady, Jerry Rice, and Lawrence Taylor. Yes, sir. Sprinkle Jim Brown in there. They never held that, they never held that against Joe. Now I think a lot of that had to do because Joe won two Super Bowls before Jerry ever

set foot in San Francisco. They say, but so Joe was Joe before he got there. Right. But, they, yeah I get it. He had offensive player of the year in Sanquon, the best running back in football. Okay, he got the best offensive lineman football. He has two very good receivers. AJ Brown is a three-time Pro Bowler.

Devontae Smith is, hey, probably the best number two receiver, that's what, you know, one A, one B, whatever you wanna call it. But, yeah. Yeah, one A, one B, one A, one B, yeah. Peyton, they didn't hold that against Peyton. the the the the where people gave the nod to Peyton, I mean to Tom is because Tom didn't have any of that until he got Randy. You look at Wes Welker, undrafted free agent. Julian Edelman was a seventh round quarterback out of Kent State. You look at Danny Amendola, I think he was a undrafted player.

Deon Branch, Troy Brown. Yeah, all those guys. Yeah. What was the number 80? Troy Brown. So it was like he didn't have these big name receivers that you're like, oh, I got to have him. I would take him. You choose enough squads.

You're like, oh, okay, I take him. Look, I can't punish the man. They did a great job of look they had a quarterback in the second round. Howie had the forethought, the foresight to see that yeah we gave this guy a lot of money and you hear a lot of things coming out of it coming out of Philly, and you heard some of the stuff that's coming out, and I don't know what to believe, but allegedly, you know, Carson Wentz

was not the easiest to deal with, and you couldn't tell him anything, and Jaylen snuck right on in there. So you say, you know what? I like this guy, let's build around him. Now, that offensive line was already intact Lane was already there that had Jason Kelsey already there Dixon Because Dixon got there the same time Dixon with the first round pick and Jalen Hurst with the second round pick

Yeah, so they just filled in the spots. They got Devante and Next thing, you know Yeah. So they just filled in the spots. They got Devontae. And next thing you know, they make a trade for AJ Brown. I don't know what the hell Tennessee was thinking. To get rid of AJ Brown and it's like, well, we got a younger AJ Brown than Traylon Burks. What? Yeah, listen, some say he.

I don't know who idea that was. In 15 regular season games last season, Hurt threw for 2,903 yards, 18 touchdowns, five interceptions, his passing touchdowns ranked 20th, his passing yards ranked 26th. Oh Joe, that's what, they're not a throwing team. They're a running team. That's what I said, notice I say a symbol football, they don not a throwing team. They're running teams. That's what I said.

Notice I say a simple football. They don't complicate anything. We're gonna take what you give us. So I did. So what we're gonna do is that we're gonna prove to you that our quarterback can throw the football. So we're gonna mess up this dynamic that we got just to prove something to you.

No. Damn y'all. The object of the game is win and that's exactly what they do. If we gotta run it 50 times, we're gonna run it 50 times. If we gotta throw it 50 times, we'll throw it 50 times. We're gonna

do whatever it takes for us to win the game. That's the objective. Hello? You play to win the game. Win the game. No, is is he going to be with those with those numbers in that system is not predicated for him to be an MVP. It's not right. He's not going to throw for enough touchdowns. He's not going to have enough passing yards. Not when guys are tipping every year, guys are in the mid 40s, the high 30s of the mid 40s as far as passing touchdowns. It's not conducive. What it is conducive for is him to be playing a lot on the last, the last

Sunday or the second Sunday in February. It's conducive for that. And so you have to wait, what are you looking for? What are you trying to accomplish here? Hey, they win them. They win them ugly on they win them ugly. Like I say all the time, the way they do win is not aesthetically pleasing to others, which is why they don't rate why they rank them.

How they make him. Yeah. I mean, if you get to a passing contest, could he throw the ball like some of the guys that know that's not what he does Not what he does He went in Yeah What we got here nine is Jawan Jennings wants a new deal or a trade

He's scheduled to make seven point five million in his final year of his deal. It marks the second great summer. That's it. You got to understand, Ocho, he was the third receiver. Remember, they had Debo there. They had Brandon Ayuk. They gave Debo the deal first. They got Brandon Ayuk last year. So you're the third receiver. You know, hey, you're not going to get that many targets.

Hey, that's pretty good. Seven and a half million for a third receiver. But he said, no, I ain't the third receiver. He's not the third receiver no more. Huh? How about we pay him for all those time, Christian McCaffrey, all them times Christian McCaffrey made some of those long runs.

You know who sprung him open? Oh yeah, Jawan Jennings block. He's one of the best blockers in Royals, he's in football. Yeah. Come on now. Let's reward young bull for all, for the dirty work that people don't get to see.

I agree. It marks the second straight summer, the 49ers are in a situation where a receiver wants to be paid or traded. Last year it was Brandon Ayute. Jennings has approached the 49ers about the request but little progress has been made. If a new deal is not reached by the time training camp starts next week, Jenning plans to request a trade to a team willing to pay him. At this time of year, Ocho, ain't no team willing to trade, ain't no team willing to pay nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You got to be careful too. You got to be careful doing that too. You be fighting yourself on the street, get the minimum contract. Hey, listen, that's no disrespect to him, but you got to be able to pull that off, you know, them type of shenanigans, you got to be that boy. Now, I'm not saying, he's very, very good at what he does. Very, very good at what he does in that system. But you have to understand, look at the landscape of the NFL, look at the other teams and see

where you would fit in, where you'll still be able to contribute the way that you did here in San Fran. Cause everybody else is already set. If you think about it, everybody has their one, two and threes already. You know, we just had a draft. So you have to, you got to be careful and saying, you know what? Okay. You know what?

I don't want to be here no more. I don't want to be no more. Okay. But where am I going? You see what it do? Oh Joe, if I work in a fast food restaurant, wait till the busiest time, the business time between what? 11 and one? Hey, y'all give me a Ocho, if I work at a fast food restaurant, I'm waiting till the busiest time, the busiest time between what, 11 and 1? Hey, y'all give me a razor, I'm up out here, I don't know who gonna cook me fries.

Hey, what? How about y'all make it 13? I need 16 an hour. Right. Y'all, I'm sorry we can't do that, okay. Yeah. Hey, but one thing about it, on that run, on that run, they had that, that, that I'm going to call it historic season because it was to me when they played the Chiefs. Ja'Juan Jennings was phenomenal.

When Brandon Iyuku went out, when Deebo was hurt, you know, who was making those plays and Yeah, that was last year, that was last year, Ocho. I mean, last year, I'm tripping, my bad, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. You know, who was them plays? Joann. Yeah. Had a career year. So he showed. 77 catches. He showed not only can he block. Oh yeah. Not only can he block, he can catch and make plays.

Yeah, for sure. I like it. But I just don't know Ocho with the money they just paid Purdy, the money they got tied up in McCaffrey, the money they got tied up in Kittle, the money they got tied up in Bolsa, the money they got tied up in McCaffrey. The money they got tied up in Kittle. The money they got tied up in Bolsa. The money they got tied up in Fred Warner. Trent Williams.

The money they got tied up in Williams. Big Trent. Yeah. Oh no, you could do something because you ain't paying me no shit. You ain't paying me no shit, me and not them peanuts. No disrespect to those that are watching in the chat. I'm speaking in football NFL terms peanuts

Come on now. Hey, so can you okay? You give us one more year like that? And they won't they gonna play with you again, you know, they gonna play with you again Now they won't they won't play with him on Joe they just know that okay that, okay, we're gonna be able to pay him. And plus the thing is they got Pearsall, right? Isn't that the guy they got? The guy from Florida, he ended up getting shot, and he came back, and he played well down the stretch, Ocho. So I can see a good training camp under his belt.

I like him, I like him. I like Jawan Jennings, too. Yeah, he's gonna be all right. The Steelers are favored in only six of their 17 games I like it. I like it. I like you want to be alright. The Steelers are favored and only six of their seventeen games this upcoming season week one minus three at the Jets week

two Seattle Seahawks at home minus one and a half week six the Browns minus six and a half week nine the Colts minus three and a half week fifteen the Dolphins minus two and a half week 17 at the Browns Minus two and a half should Vegas be giving Aaron Rodgers more respect I mean Vegas is gonna base everything off the Aaron Rodgers. We saw last year

Vegas going to base everything off the Aaron Rodgers. We saw any of your older now Yeah, and what I do know what we're gonna get is we to have games where Aaron Rodgers looks like Aaron Rodgers of old. Then we're going to have games and you'll be like, man, what the hell was that? That's just the nature of the business as you get older as a quarterback. We're going to have flashes of brilliance. We're going to have flashes of, that's why he's a four-time MVP. But then you're going to have some games where you can be like, man, what the hell was that?

And he's not, he's not in a position anymore with this type of quarterback that can elevate the players around him. He's going to need the players around him to elevate him and make his job happen to all of them. And I'm old enough to remember them because the quarterback used to get elevate the players. They say, rise and tide raises all shifts. And that's what the really great quarterback can do. They can elevate everybody around them.

But as they started to get older, they needed the players around them to lift them up. So, cause guess what? Now I need a lot of boat. So in other words, you go back and go back and study history. Look at the guys. Look at Peyton and look at Tom and look at all those guys as they started to get older. Guys that have won multiple MVPs, guys that have won multiple Super Bowls. Look what it took. Look at Tom in Tampa. Look at the defense he had had look at Chris Godwin. Look at Mike Evans. Look at what they had

Let's be real. Look at look at Peyton He got the Denver look what they had they had Decker they had Julius Thomas they had a deMarius Thomas rest your soul They had a Wes Welker, Wes they had Stokely there for a minute Yeah No, Shaman Reno in the backfield West Welker. West. They had what it is and and and I think the, it is what it is. And I think the thing is, is that when you see that you understand it and they're looking at like, yeah, he he don't have that Eagles

offense around him. He doesn't have a safe one. He doesn't have you know, you know, I like DK. And I think what's the other Austin? Calvin Austin III. They got some quality receivers. I like Friar Mute. Yeah, yeah. Offensive line, mostly if they're whatever. I need the offensive line.

But your best defensive player is unhappy with his contract. TJ Y. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you know they got Jaylen Ramsey over there? Joey Porter Jr. Darius Le? And, um, and they're-

Are they going for it? Hey, hey, what that defense gonna be nice, boy. So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna put Jaylen Ramsey in safety? Oh, shoot, that's a good question. No, I, no, no, no, no, no. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn.

I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I think you're gonna have Jay, Jay, damn. I, no, no, no, no, no. I think you're

going to have Jay Jay. Damn. What are they going to do? They put him in safety. So now you got me thinking you got Joey Porter. He's standing on one side. So where's Slade going to go? I think Jalen Ramsey can can transition because I think he can transition to safety better than those other two guys can and then when they go three wides he can hey he can jump down the slide and go out and they can go to the nickel okay okay I like that I like that either way it go when the Steelers play the bangles we know what's's going to happen. They still going to get this work. You think so? They still going to get this work.

Yeah, absolutely. And this, I love Slate. I love Joey Porter Jr. too. I love Jalen Ramsey. But when you play the Bengals, and this is to all my Steelers fans that are watching, as much as I love y'all because I sure love you and you sure love the me, but we going to get- Oh man, you doing a lot of talking.

You doing the kind of talking last year too. We beat we beat the Steelers. Y'all did. Yeah. Okay. I'm just letting you know we're going to beat him again and we're going to start the season five and oh. Have you ever started a

season five and oh when I was playing. Yeah. Yeah. 2005 we started. Oh my bad four and oh yeah, but this year this is the year we start now five and oh so we don't have to rely on no teams at the end of the season sitting

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