Nightcap - Nightcap - NFL Week 1 Reaction

Episode Date: September 11, 2023

In the FIRST-EVER episode of "Nightcap", Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to an incredible NFL Week 1. They discuss if San Francisco 49ers QB Brock Purdy proved he's the real deal, why the Pittsburgh Steelers looked rough in their loss to the Niners, why Jordan Love passed the "test drive" in the Green Bay Packers' win over the Chicago Bears, why Chad isn't bothered at all by his Cincinnati Bengals losing to the Cleveland Browns, and if the Dallas Cowboys exposed the New York Giants' biggest problem. Then they debate the "foolish" mistake that a lot of NFL players make, what would happen if Chad went back into the NFL right now, and a very bold prediction for Tyreek Hill. This first weekend of action illuminated a lot of previously unknowns about every NFL team, but there are still a bunch of questions Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson will ask and answer. There’s a long season ahead, so buckle in and tune into Nightcap as Unc and Ocho provide a guiding light through your night of football. #Volume #Club See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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of Nightcap, Unk and Ocho. I am Unk Shannon Sharp. He is Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson. And thank you. Thank you for joining us. I'm very excited. Ocho, how are you feeling about this? Man, I feel good. I feel good. Listen, I never stay up this late. I never stay up this time of night. But for you, I'm willing to do anything.

Well, I sure appreciate that. Let's jump right into it. Yes, sir. Our first topic, are Brock Purdy and the san francisco 49ers this good or did the steelers just have a bad day listen brock purdy and the 49ers are that good they showed you that last year yes he told you that last year brock purdy mr irrelevant coming in taking garoppolo's place he's very relevant now he's very relevant now and the supporting cast offensively you got brother bosa on the other side his job is so easy brand iuk has emerged as a true number

one receiver with two touchdowns a day devo at some point they're going to get going they're going to get him get him acclimated into the offense and get him get getting his touches and he's gonna do what he's what he's always done they are the real deal they are the real deal i agree with you all brock purdy did today would show you why they were so willing to move on from trey lance when they moved heaven and earth to get him yeah so it he crystallized it if there was any doubt in anybody's mind, why would you give up so much to get a man and move after him after three years? Well, you saw Brock Purdy and the way he orchestrated the offense. You mentioned it. They got Debo. They got Brandon Ayoub.

Kittles didn't get involved. But the biggest acquisition was made last year at the trade deadline when they got Christian McCaffrey. He can do it all. He can run between the tackles. He can get outside. You can put him in the slot you can swing it to him and he can get you a first down as you saw today he can hit his head on the goal post also but a one a signing that went unnoticed is that you mentioned Joe uh Bosa on the outside you got Armstead but they signed jerome hargrove they brought him in to shore up

the middle so now you can't go anywhere you got two guys pushing on the inside you got a guy that's coming off the edge the best middle linebacker in football is fred look award he's a heat-seeking missile they're going to be to deal with a lot of people question well why would you put them number two over the Eagles? I think they answered that question today. They did. They most definitely did. And the funny thing about it is we talk about teams having an identity.

Normally, a team has an identity. Either it's offense, either your identity is offense or your identity is defense. The 49ers are one of the few teams in nfl where their identity is on both sides of the ball there's quality on both sides of the ball yes in all three phases whether it's offense or whether it's defense and how they were able to fit all that under the salary cap is beyond me yes beyond me but if they're going to get it done they're going to have to get it done right now because at some point Brock Purdy is coming to the table and there's no way they're going to be able to keep that team together the way it is right now well one thing I know about Kyle

Shanahan and I've known him for a very long time and he has a lot of similarities to his father there is no rebuilding there's only retooling they're going for it every year and if you look at the roster that they've they've assembled that roster is ready to compete for at least, as you mentioned, the next two years. Now, Brock Purdy is only going into his second year, so they're probably not going to do anything in probably until that third year. So they basically got a two year window because Brock Purdy is going to go from making two million dollars to somewhere around $40 to $50 million within the next 24 months. I have another question, though. I have another question, though. This is the fact that the matter still remains.

Is Brock Purdy as good as he is, or is he only shining because his supporting cast is that great? Well, sometimes, as long as he understands who he is. I played with a guy named Trent Dilfer. Now, was Trent Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? No, but he didn't need to be. And Brock Purdy doesn't need to be Patrick Mahomes. He doesn't need to be one of these franchise quarterbacks. He just needs to be the – look, I got great players.

I got great horn players. I got great percussionists. Hey, bro, all I need you to do is this right here. Just stay on beat. And as long as he stays on beat, they'll be just fine. So what about the Steelers? What didn't you like about the Steelers today? Listen, the Steelers were flat.

They were flat in all three phases, offensively, special teams, defense. Defense was flat. Obviously, when I think about the Steelers, I think of the Steelers of the 2000s. I think of the Steelers of the 2000s. I think of the Steelers of the 2000s. Anytime you play the Steelers, you had to come in the stadium with two chin straps. Yeah, they're going to knock the first one off for you. They're going to knock the first one off for you. That's the way they played.

Identity. I talk about identity every time. And that's something that the Steelers always had. Listen, what Tomlin has been able to do and being above 500, what, 17 years running? I'm not sure. I don't know the numbers correctly, but he's had a winning season almost every, really every season he's been there. He's never been under, he's never had a losing season.

Never had a losing season. But the fact of the matter still remains, they aren't the same Steelers of old. The game has evolved and they don't have identity right now. Offensively, they got to get going. They got to get the picket and pickings train. I was on it. I'm waiting to see it. Obviously, it didn't happen in week one because you did have to play against a phenomenal team like the 49ers to open your season up.

I think they'll rebound next week. But as far as that game against the 49ers? You're definitely going to have to get better play out of the quarterback position. Because I don't care. In today's game, you know, Ocho, back in the day, you brought your running game, you played defense, you could minimize the quarterback. But now, teams will force you to make your quarterback be a participant and not a cheerleader.

So you can't hide it. I can hide every other position on the field i can slide the opposite offensive lines to protect an offensive lineman i can rotate the coverage protect the corner or safety you can't hide that guy because he touches the ball every single time and i'm gonna make you for i'm gonna force him to have to make plays to beat me but you know you know it's really unfair it's really unfair to judge the Steelers week one yeah against a team like the 49ers that is totally unfair totally unfair because it's gonna take them time I got I got I got a better one for number two who had the more impressive day Jordan Love or Tua? Tua was beautiful today Tua was beautiful today. Tua was beautiful.

I can't remember the number, but I know he threw for 466. 466, three touchdowns. And three TDs. Tyreek is responsible for two of those, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yes. Over 200 yards. So Tyreek, he guaranteed he said he wants to be on pace for 2,000 yards. He is on pace to get 2,000 plus and some more.

Yes. But I think the fact that we didn't know what Jordan Love would be, we didn't know what we were going to get. Aaron Rodgers, he sat behind Aaron Rodgers for three years. So you don't know what you get until it's out there and the bullets are flying for real. And you get a small sample size of what you would get. If what we saw today, if what we saw today from Jordan Love is the coming of what he's going to be, well, Packers fans, for another beautiful decade of having a great quarterback at the helm. I agree with you.

I'm going to say Jordan Love for the very reason that you said. Because he's following Aaron Rodgers, a four-time league MVP, a Super Bowl winner, a Super Bowl MVP, arguably the greatest thrower of the football that I've seen. He and Dan Marino, we'll let them get in the room and discuss that, who's the better thrower of the football. But if there's a conversation going on, he's in that conversation, Aaron Rodgers. And the pressure, the expectations, because nothing kills dreams and makes you come back to reality more so than expectations.

There's an expectation that this kid is the real deal. Remember, they traded up to get him. They ticked off Aaron Rodgers because they traded up to get him off. They had to come back in pain to make him happy. And had to make him happy. And he never forgave them for that. So you're on the road. I mean, he started in Kansas City.

But now he knows the ship is his they've removed everything around him the ship is yours you're playing your division is your division rival it's the oldest rivalry in the nfl and it's and he says you know what the faith was well put i know it's one game and i'm like you Ocho. I don't like putting a whole lot of stock in one game. But if you look at the way he threw the football, it reminded you a little of Aaron Rodgers. His release point, the way he jumped it through the ball and Aaron Jones scored a touchdown on it. He threw a ball. He threw a couple of balls to Dobbs. I was like, this kid looked like he has the goods. yeah listen I I had the the opportunity of of going to the joint practice between the Packers and the Bengals earlier earlier in in

the in the preseason and I was able to watch him play obviously watching from TV it doesn't do you no justice you know right listen to the media talk about players you understand that he sat behind Aaron Rodgers for a long time you hear people talk about him being polished and you don't really have an understanding on why they went up to grab him early but then when I get seen in person you know against the Bengals even though it's a joint practice still you can just you can just see it you get his aura his energy and and watching him throw the ball I'm like okay okay okay and today was another small that was a small sample size for me, but then seeing it on display live and in color, when it's time to go and you got to show out,

man, he showed up and he showed out. Oh, Joe, you know what they used to say? You don't want to be the man that follows the man. You want to be the man that followed the man that followed the man. So like, like Aarongers, he followed Brett Favre. Yeah. And I think he says, okay, Brett was great. That was a tall task, man. That was a tall task. So you got, what, 15, 16 years of that.

Okay, here comes Aaron Rodgers. So basically you've had almost 35 years of great play at quarterback. You've got seven MVPs, two Superbowls three superbowl appearances that's what jordan love is following do you understand the no no quarterback in the history of the game has had to follow what this young man is following seven mvps three superbowl appearances two superbowl wins and you're talking about two you can make a case that farb and rogers i believe rogers there's no question but in my book rogers is the top five quarterback uh brett made the all century team so he's a top five quarterback top 10 quarterback at the at the bare minimum right and that's what

jordan love is following now i'm not saying that he's going to go out and throw three touchdowns every game and he's going to be as clean to uh down the road as he was today but i think most people like what they saw today yeah listen and every when you when you go when you go buy a car right when you go to the car lot yes right and you test drive a car yes that's a small sample size of what you gonna get when you spend your money right what i saw from jordan love the day was enough of a small sample size of what's to come throughout the season. We know it's going to be ups and downs. Right.

That's a part of the game. We know it's going to be ups and downs. But as a- How soon are those ups and downs coming? Because when I buy a car, I don't need no ups and downs in the first six months of the first year. I didn't go out there and stick the key in the ignition. Well, there's no more stick the key in the ignition. It's push the button.

Push the button now. By the time you get to week six, now that light gonna come on now you're gonna have to get your oil tank now i i sure hope the oil light don't come on that quick for jordan love but i think he was he was impressive i i think for me and i understand two or three for 466 yards he had three touchdowns they won the shootout with the charges right but i was more impressed with jordan love given the level of expectations right of what what was placed on his shoulders i think the funny part about it is understanding the footsteps that he has to follow behind and breath yes and air rodgers i've seen i've seen two or three for 400 to tyreek

or yeah you know and he didn't laugh what was that last week two week three last year against I've seen Tua throw for 400 to Tyreek already. You know? He didn't land. What was that last week two, week three last year against Baltimore? I've seen him do that before. So seeing Jordan Love live up to the expectations. Oh, so this is why y'all jumped up like this. Oh, so this is why Aaron Rodgers was mad. Yeah.

Now I get it. I have a better understanding. Now you see why those quarterbacks, when they take those quarterbacks, they do everything they possibly can to keep them on the bench. They take all the reps, even the kneel down, even in victory formation. Tom Brady was taking kneel downs. Peyton Manning's taking kneel downs. Drew Brees is taking kneel

downs. I'm going to go back. I'm going to go back not too far. Foxborough. Tom Brady has somebody over his shoulder. Yeah. Hornstarimmy you know what i don't think i don't it doesn't sit well with him being the person behind me and somebody got to get him up out of here right yeah if if you if and i know that they want this kid to play oh yeah oh yeah and i'm getting and they're looking for every reason

i have an off game it's like well maybe he doesn't have it they're looking for a reason to move on because i've already got your heir apparent i've got your replacement already in the building i don't have to look always i'm gonna go we're gonna go to something near and dear to your heart a couple days ago jamar chase says i really don't pay attention to the hype around them because Cleveland is Cleveland. Cleveland. It feels like a regular game to me. It's just them hooping and hollering about the Cleveland Browns.

But, yeah, we call them the elves. But, yeah, the elves put something on you today. The elves put something on you today, Ocho. The elves. Listen, we didn't play good football. We as a whole, and I'm saying we because I'm a part of the team. So anything that happens to them,

it happens to me as well. I watched the game in its entirety. I didn't miss anything. I didn't miss a beat. I didn't blink. But what I'm going to do, offensively, we didn't play well. Defensively, we didn't play well.

Special teams, we didn't play well. Right. We didn't do diddly squat today. I'm going to stand on that. elves comment the elves comment jamar said what he said but you got to stand on it and he did you got to back that you got to back that up though you got to back that up now you know when you say when you talk crazy when you should send the pepto bismol and you send the band-aids because you say i don't know why I sent you band-aids because I can't do anything but the feelings you got you got you got to get those straight you got you got to get those straight before you come

come to the game right but listen he didn't have the game he wanted to nobody did and what what I like about Jamar this is what I love about him. Not only did he say the elves comment, he came back again and hit him with the elves comment again and say he was upset that we lost to the elves. Man. So he stood on it. He did. He stood on it. He did. I'm proud of him.

And this is one thing about the Bengals. For some reason, it happens all the time. We start slow. We start slow. We start slow offensively. And then at some point we hit a groove and we own all cylinders. Ocho, y'all spend all this money. Yes, sir.

Y'all can't do a better job of protecting that man than what y'all. I mean, Orlando Brown was trending. Our offensive line shouldn't be trending unless he's some sauce. Listen to me. Listen to me. And people that are going to see this, let's have a better understanding when you play a divisional game. You're playing an opponent that you're very familiar with. Yeah. Yeah. They know your offense. They know your tendencies.

You can only do so much dressing up. Your offense, the scheme, and game plan doesn't change much. The only thing that changes is really the formations just to fool them based on what you're doing right you know you know it's only so much you could do so they're familiar with you browns bangles is a robbery that's been going on for who knows god how long you know i don't know how long it's been going on but it will always be close it's sometimes it's going to be a shootout today today just wasn't our day and that's okay congratulations to the browns congratulations to the browns but i know when it comes time playoff time i know who won't be in the running ocho i know who running north let me let me let's talk about that i know who running north we are we hooping in holland by week one week one ain't never won nothing ocho i give you 18

million dollars a year. I don't want you to tell me about that DB. We in the same division and he know my tendencies. I pay you $18 million to go get open. And the beat, I don't care if he's in your division. I don't care if he's your neighbor. I don't care if y'all grew up together. Y'all homeboys.

Right. What they got to do with him blocking Miles Garrett? Now we talk about Miles Garrett. Now we ain't just talk about no we didn't talk about no no dude we just got off the corner just playing dm we talk about miles garrett one of the best if one of the best if not the best right behind them right behind bosa and uh and in the watts hello so so what so what we we just so you mean to tell me we just gave up 30 what how much they gave they gave him $40 million guaranteed, fully guaranteed.

Right. And they chipped the man on every play. But listen, we tried to chip the man. We tried to do everything possible to give our tackles help to be able to nullify the rush of Myles Garrett. But it's difficult. It's an attestment to how great and good he is. You know what Mike Brown said? Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

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I don't need no help to pick these checks up. I ain't say, y'all ain't brought, now what, y'all ain't brought one extra person upstairs to pick up these checks. Y'all ain't have no other name on that direct deposit slip. But now all of a sudden,

y'all won't help. So who helping y'all cash them checks? Don't do my bangles like that. You played, listen, you played on offenses. Yes. There was always a wink-lick on the offensive line where you got to bring your back, you got to have your back. There was always a wink-lick on the offensive line

where you got to bring your back. You got to have your back chipped when you got to bring the receiver in a little tighter before you release off the line. Or you got to chip the D in just a little bit before you go off. Don't do that. Don't throw my bangles like that. I was very fortunate.

Two of my left tacklers at the Pro Football Hall of Fame, one of them was on the 100th anniversary team, Jonathan Ogden and Gary Zimmerman. It wasn't a whole lot of chipping. It wasn't a whole lot of chipping going on. We slide the line the other way because if you're saying normally the left tackle

makes the most money on the offensive line. The blind side of the quarterback unless he's left-handed. We slide the line the other way. You one-on-one and he got to brought Bruce. He got to deal with Reggie White. He-one and he gotta brought bruce he gotta deal with reggie white he gotta deal with there he gotta deal with dt he gotta deal with lt that's what he got on his plate now y'all the names that i just named y'all know who they are yeah yeah y'all know who they are yeah so i don't know what y'all got going on but y'all need to get that fixed

it's week one it's week one we don't we don't we don't need that we don't need to hit the panic button we don't need to it's week one but one half of half of them half of 90 of them ain't even played in the preseason so this was this was this one listen this is a good game for us to get acclimated to game tempo game speed build that chemistry and we're going to be right. Watch what happened week two, though. You know what, Ocho? Watch what happened week two. Who they? Don't get me. I think that's why we see a lot of these soft tissue, because a lot of times you're asking a guy to go, okay, we're just going to go 30, 40 miles an hour, and then all of a sudden, come Sunday, we want you to go 100 to 150. And you see a lot of hamstrings.

You see a lot of quads. You see a lot of calf injuries because you're asking the body to do something that it had. I needed to play. I wanted to put my body under the stress of being in the preseason. And then once the regular season came, I'm ready to go. I felt very comfortable. Yeah. Yeah.

You got to put your body through the ringer. You got to put your body through the ringer you gotta put your body through the ringer you gotta shock the body so the body gets used to playing at a high rate of speed high yes in hit yes i enjoy two days i know the cva wanted to to scale back on things to protect the players and protect the body no the players want to be well okay the player the players bargain for petty privileges instead of getting let me ask you a question would you rather go two a days or would you rather have

three quarters or fully guaranteed contracts you see what they bargain for they bargain oh we ain't got to practice but once a day in training camp the other time meeting but you ain't got no guaranteed contracts baseball guaranteed basketball guaranteed soccer guaranteed the other time meeting, but you ain't got no guaranteed contracts. Right. Baseball, guaranteed. Basketball, guaranteed.

Soccer, guaranteed. You play the most physical, grueling sport, and you don't have lifetime benefits. Basketball players, lifetime. Baseball players, lifetime. Once you get vested. You see how they bargain for – we're going to talk about it another day in time. Yeah, that's a good one.

Last topic, Dak and the Cowboys roll all over the Giants. For one, I'm glad the Cowboys won. I'm glad the Cowboys won. I'm glad the Cowboys won because I want everybody to get off that back. It, the defense, the defense. Yeah. They were great. Sensational.

Gave them boys a 14 point lead. Yes. Gave them a 14-point lead offensively. All Dak had to do was just facilitate, control the game, and number one, no turnovers. No turn it over. Don't turn the ball over. Give them nothing to say.

Give them nothing to say. If I'm the Giants fan, y'all mean to tell me y'all gave $40 million, $40-plus million to Daniel Jones for that? That's what y'all paid him for? Wait a minute. You know who they were supposed to pay? You were supposed to pay your running back. You were supposed to pay your running back.

Your running back is the one that deserves the $40 million because the running back is the offense. That is your offense. If you leave the offense in Daniel Jones' hands, you get what you got tonight. Right. You get what you got tonight. Because once he fell back once he fell i agree with you because once you fell behind you took saquon out of the game so now saquon is not a threat so now you get parsons you get uh uh you get armstrong and you get d law you get those guys pinning their

ears back because they don't there's no threat of the run as long as there's threat of the run i just need you to hesitate for a second. I had an old coach just tell me, say, son, he who hesitates beats. All I need you to do is hesitate for a second. But when Parsons and Ziggy Dua is jumping off the rock like they're jumping off the rock with no hesitation because there's no threat of the run. You down 14, you down 26 nothing. You running what? We about to run you out your building

that's the only thing about to get run did you see makai coming off the edge yes i saw micah man micah i'm talking about makai i'm talking about man i ain't i ain't never seen nobody shoot out shoot off the edge like that man because because but ocho you know you can't shoot up if there's a threat of the run because all you're doing is making a you're making a bigger gap for the back to get through but he knows you're down 20 you're down 19 nothing you're down 26 nothing you're not running no football ain't nothing to worry about and even if you do run it so what all you gonna do is run out of time trying to catch up so you pay your quarterback what 40 how much how much they paid him they're playing in 40 we're making 40 million okay making

40 million so if you got a 40 million dollar quarterback you didn't want to pay your running back so you're in a situation you're down 20 and you're losing and you want to be able to put the ball in your 40 million quarter quarterbacks hands that's not what he is and have him do something that's not what he was that's not what he is though oh okay so who who is the one that runs the offense and and makes that offense go with the giant offense their offense is that saquon that thank you know what thank you yeah so why didn't get a man his money understanding the importance and how important he is for let me ask you a question what's the the average length of an nfl player is let's just say for the sake of argument for what we're discussing right now is three years it is it is two to three

okay three years and let's just say a really good player, you're going to play somewhere for a running back. Right. You say you got his peak. He could be somewhere around three to six years. Whoa. Well, before they did the contract with Saquon, he already at four. So if you're telling me I've already paid him,

so you mean to tell me you want me to give him another five-year deal when he only got two more years of peak? Says who? I don't like those numbers i don't i don't like those numbers i don't like that i don't like those everything everything is a numbers game a play a player of saquon's caliber can play he plays the running back position right and he he's a little different than other running backs. I think he can play based on running style, body type, physique. He can play top-level football for about eight or nine to ten years. But here's the thing.

It's like, you know when they give these baseball players these ten-year contracts. Yeah. Okay, the first five years, you're like, oh, boy, you see them numbers? The real deal. The last four years, they're hitting 230, making 43 million. Now, all of a sudden, are you going to tell me

at the end of the contract? Because here's the thing. I already done paid you. I got to pay you based on what I believe you can do, Ocho. Where they pay you? You work your job. Listen, man, you know Ocho showed up every day for 10 years. They're not going to pay you because they believe you're going show up for another 10 years they already paid you for the 10 years that you showed up because now they're gonna say ah man the running back position he done got 300 carries on his body on his legs

I just don't know I'm just telling you how they think we can't do that and that that's what's wrong with the owners now because you're thinking like that. You're trying to be greedy and you get exposed offensively like this because you have nothing. You have nowhere for Daniel Jones to go with the ball. When things aren't going well, you know who I can rely on? Let's get the ball to Saquon. Let's reset mentally. Let's reset offensively.

We can give it to him until we can facilitate and get the running game going. We can throw something short. We can throw something intermediate. Work your play action. If you don't have no running game, the whole offense is dead. Because you see with no threat of running game, now those offensive linemen can't get out of their

stance because the D linemen are running around them. Man, listen. They're putting them ears back. They're all in tail. I mean, when we around them. Man, listen, they putting them ears back and it's, it's, it's, it's they call it tail. I mean, when we, when we jumped on here last, I saw they had, they had, I think six sacks. I don't know what they ended up with. Maybe they started running the ball. If I'm saying, I say I probably was out of the game and he probably started running it. But when you fall behind like that, it's hard. It's, it's,

it's I've been in situations where we fall behind like that and they know we're not going to run the ball because we haven't run it all night and it's hard it's it's it's i've been in situations where we fall behind like that and they know we're not going to run the ball because we haven't run it all night and it's just it's just it's just a bad feeling and there's another team that's going to suffer i hate to go off topic i know we're not talking about this tonight but the indianapolis colts that's another team that's going to suffer for not wanting to pay an elite running back at the position he hurt help that hey let me ask you a question let me ask you a question don't do that you know that yeah sometimes you got to play the game sometimes you got to play the game you know we're not hurt well i'm just i'm just saying let me ask you a question you think let me okay you take you take a medical

leave yeah how many jobs gonna give you a raise doing a medical leave well Yeah. How many jobs going to give you a raise doing a medical leave? Well, depending on how good you are and what you do. Depending on how good you are with me having a great understanding of what I'm getting. That's bad business. On a medical leave?

Oh, I'm telling you. You're a businessman. Somebody, what are your workers? Your worker comes to you and he says oh joe i want to raise but before you give me that raise i'm gonna go on this medical leave for about three four weeks no no hold on hold on i'm not even gonna play the game with him though i'm not gonna

i'm gonna tell you why i'm not whether i'm gonna pay you whether i'm gonna pay you or not it's based on how good you are how good he is is right there you can't take that from him all you have to do is turn the film on you understand how good Jonathan Taylor is for that coach offense not only do you have a rookie quarterback not only do you have a rookie quarterback he has no outlet you know if if if if hell if you know I forgot what my grandma used to say if if he needed somewhere to go if he had a blindfold on if he was wearing a blindfold and he snapped the ball and needed somewhere to go with the ball jonathan taylor is the one person that he can count on on all three downs the one person you can count on on all three downs he is a three down back but i also think

what hurt some of the running backs is that when they paid some of the other running backs that came before them they immediately their production dropped or they got injured you remember when jonathan taylor he came up the 1800 yard season he got hurt last year this is football so what you want me to do you want me to pay you but you but you paying your quarterbacks 40 and 50 million and we talk about using injury as an excuse not to pay a running back? That's what they do because he play a more dangerous position. You know what? But see, if you'd have got the guaranteed contract,

but you ain't got to practice once a day in training camp, Ocho. That's all you got to practice, once a day. You straight. That's a good comeback. That's a good comeback. But if you think about it,o got it seemed and i and i could be wrong because i don't have any data but it damn sure seems like guys get hurt more now and they practice less than they did when we played and we practiced more because i had coach reeves with my coach and he was a coach landry knockoff and we

got it oh yeah we got it in i think one of the reasons that more people are getting having soft soft tissue injuries or they're breaking stuff or the body's falling apart and they're much younger you shouldn't be getting hurt when you're this young is the fact that one you don't practice enough you don't put the body has to go through a ringer yes the body has to be like callous and and and be run not into the ground but just run at high speeds yes until it's time to go because when it's time to go you ready to go and you ain't pulling nothing yeah that also number two nutrition they ain't eating right they not eating right they putting all this green stuff in their body they They're eating all this healthy stuff. Man, go ahead. There you go with your foolishness, man.

Listen, that's not helping the body. That's not helping you be able to go out there and perform at a high level. Shannon Sharp does not approve this message that Ocho is selling right now. I'm just telling you what it is. But I tell you what I do think it is. I don't think these guys give their body enough time to recover. soon as the season of what they're not doing they're not doing nothing what they're recovering from but i'm saying they're recovering from as soon as the season over with the guys are right back doing speed workouts back right back doing oh yeah i'm

back in the lab bro give your body a chance to recover i don't care nfl season even though ocho the rules are a lot different than when i came into the league way that i was trying to transition and it got it's a little different than when you left the league right but you still got to give your body a chance to recover because you still went out there and did what you did over the course of five six months right i don't i don't i don't i don't know i don't know i think i gradually started yes super bowl ended what february i think i gradually started the first week of march yes i built my way into the program yes i went into the off season program in some type of shape and then i went on from there and built my way into getting in and

playing shape or whatever it is I need to do. Right. Yeah. Well, I did my own thing. That's how I was. I took the whole month of February off. I would gradually build each week in March. By the time May rolled around, I was probably 75% of where I needed to be knowing that I had June and July because training camp was going to start somewhere around the end of July. Hey, I was ready to go. I was ready to go. I really want to talk to some of these individuals that continue to get hurt. Okay. What would you tell them? Cooper Cup. Yes. Y'all come on over here to me. Cooper Cup, come on over here to me. Let me talk to you.

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they're not eating right in they're not bad food is not it they're not putting their body through the ringer enough i took every rep scout team first team i ran down on special teams i'm doing all this ocho you do realize that when you play a professional sport especially the sport of football and you don't get injured you know there's a lot of luck in that there's a lot of no no no no no no what brett barb did that don. You know there's a lot of luck in that. There's a lot of luck in what Brett Favre did. There's a lot of luck. It is. It is. There's no luck.

Listen, it's called preparation. It's called preparation. In the summer when I was a little kid, listen to me. Where you grew up at? I grew up in South Georgia. You grew up in South Georgia. I grew up in Liberty City. In the summer in South Georgia. I grew up in Liberty City.

In the summer, I couldn't go in the house. No, of course not. I couldn't go in the house. Grandma, I'm trying to come in and get something to drink. Nah, go to the water holes on the side of the house and drink from the water holes. Yes. Yes, absolutely. That's the way it was.

Yes. Did you get hurt when you were little? If you got hurt, what were you going to do? Did you get hurt when you were little is what I'm asking. Did you get hurt did you get hurt when you were little if you got hurt what were you gonna do get hurt when you were little is what i'm asking did you i'm sure i'm sure i got hurt but you weren't going to the doctor to do what no you did who's gonna take you to the doctor hey did y'all had y'all had the candy lady house where you from did you have the candy lady house in south georgia did y'all have frozen cup did you eat frozen cups no no we didn't i'm from the country i had route I had route.

I had route four bucks, 385. Anybody that know about this in the South, when you have a route number, you're in the country. Okay. Okay. Yes. I'm just trying to give you a better understanding on why they play it. No. Fast food is not the answer, people. Fast food is good in moderation.

But what he's trying to get you to do as a high as a high-powered athlete the high listen the high power athletes keep getting injured year in and year out the numbers continue to increase tom brady didn't get injured what tom brady didn't get injured i he didn't he didn't get hurt he got hurt one time in 23 seasons okay so why do we how many how many how many how many injuries you think you would have had if you'd played 23 seasons none oh you wouldn't none okay stop it i still i haven't got hurt yet i'm 55 i ain't been hurt yet and i'm still acting i'm still playing you you ain't football active go out there go out there catch that three slip i bet you won't go out there and catch that three slips i'm making when i when i caught him when i was playing i

made a business decision i'm not gonna get hurt this is how you hell would be looking you mean the ear hole be right there. Listen, if it came down to it, if push came to shove, I can go out there right now. I can put up 1,400 right now. 1,400 what? 1,400 yards. In the arena?

You must be talking about in that AB league. That league that AB used to be on. No, no, no. Have you not seen the rules? You can't touch. You can't hit nobody. You can't do nothing. They basically playing with flags out there.

You ain't got to be. I'm not getting 1,400 right now. Ocho, you done been away from the game. You done forgot how to fall, bro. Listen, I ain't forgot. I did jujitsu just like Tua. I know how to fall. Okay, jujitsu just like Tua. I know how to fall. Okay. Okay, jujitsu. But you know, you know, even when you leave the game,

you take that time off from the time the season ends until it starts. Your spidey senses have to start tingling because you got to know, okay, I ran this route. It was this coverage. That hit's going to come from this place. Or I ran this route and it can't. So you got to feel that all over again so now you know but bro you don't been away from the game for a decade listen i've been away from the game for a decade but i still remember i still remember coverages i play madden i play madden so madden madden in in real life is

really the same thing it's the same no it's not really the same thing. I'm telling you, it is. You just got, you got to know the game. I know the game. No, no. Listen, Shannon, one thing about it. I lie for you before I lie to you.

I can go to 1400 right now. Well, you lying on me right now. So with this, you mentioned earlier, Tyreek said he wants to be the first guy to eclipse 2000 yards. And he's going to do that. He has 11 for 215. I thought he

was on his way until Tua got hurt. Remember, Tua got hurt last year. Yeah. He got dinged towards the end of the season with a foot injury. Do you believe Tua can go over 2,000? I mean, do you believe Tyreek can go over 2,000, Bishop? Absolutely. Absolutely. He can go over

2,000. For one, what they do offensivelyly they put him in positions and create mismatches yeah yeah with different formations and they have special play designed for him just to give him the ball the funny thing about each play wherever they are on the field Tyreek Hill is a home run hitter he's a threat he's a home he's a threat from anywhere on the field and you make one mistake you take one wrong angle or you or you miss a tackle he's a threat from anywhere on the field and you make one mistake you take one wrong angle or you or you miss a tackle he's gone he's gone to the house one of the few players in the nfl back and do that where he is a threat from anywhere on the field yeah everybody ain't like that so him saying i want to i want to get or reach 2 000 yards it's possible especially after

the day it's week one how you got 215 yards already? Yeah. This ain't no video game. This is real life. I think the thing what makes him so dangerous, because like you said, he's one of the – there's only a handful of guys that can take a five-yard route and turn it into an 85-yard spectacular. There are very few guys.

And because you look – he has track speed, but he's built like a football player. I played with a lot of guys that James Jett was on the gold medal winning team at the Olympics in 92. Sam Grady was the silver medalist in the 100 meters. He won the gold medal in 84 on the relay team. But they were frail. They were thinly, widely built. If you've ever been up close to Tyreekreek he's put together yeah he's a big old

ball of muscle and you can tell that he's explosive very he can he's turned himself into a very good route runner because before when he first got into the league he was a return guy and a gadget guy right but he said you know what he worked on his game. He can run the route tree. And a guy with that kind of speed that can run the route tree, you got hell on your hands, Ocho. You don't want nothing to do with that. Listen, the funny thing about it is most of the time, you get very few

receivers at that size that can play all the way out wide on the outside. Not only that, you can put him in the backfield. Yes. You can put him in the slot. He can play the three. He can play the two. He can be anywhere on the field.

So when I think about what the creativity that they have and what they can do with him offensively, him reaching 2,000 is nothing. Right. It's nothing. And especially when you get him acclimated into the offense and integrated into the offense and you winning and you get results like today.

Yeah. The thing is, he's one of those guys. And that's what happened with the guys like himself. If you get them going early, if you get him going, or if no, you don't have to get him going,

but throw him a few balls, let him let him feel the, let him feel the ball, touch his hands. Then you got it for the rest of the game, the rest of the game. And Mike does a great job. The rest of the game. And Mike does a great job.

He'll throw him a smoke. He'll throw him a speed out. He'll do something to let him feel the ball. And today, I don't know what the Chargers were thinking. I don't know why you would ever single him up. Look, they can talk about whatever they want to. He's the most dangerous man in football, regardless of position. I'm talking about if you're talking about Aaron Donald, I'm talking about if i'm talking about you're talking about tj watt if you're talking about miles

garrett if you're talking about trent williams he is the most feared man in football this is one of the things a lot of people get on me all the time they always they always talk about you know they ask me my top five receivers in the league and one of the things that i i rarely do is i rarely name ty tyreek hill i rarely name tyreek hill because tyreek hill is in a class of his own he's in a category of his own until i can think of a category where it's deserving to put him in you know he stands alone in his own right because of how special he is to the game in the position of playing wide receiver. And I just, it is no,

it's no disrespect to him and just, dude, you different. You different. There, there are no words to describe you when we talking about other receivers, because you're in a class all by yourself. Well, he definitely needs to be 99.

I don't know what y'all, what y'all criteria is 98 right now. He's not, he needs to be not, well, he needs to be a hundred. You go ahead and put him at a hundred. Cause I know that's on criteria is. He's a 98 right now. No, he needs to be 100. You go ahead and put him at 100. Because I know that's on the rating.

He's a 98. I'm the Madden rings adjuster. And what I can do and what I probably will do tomorrow internally, I'll go in myself and I will make him a 99 myself. And if I get fired, I'm okay. And I'm going to stand on that based off what he was able to do today. I mean, consider what he did last year. I mean, first of all, he's had like five years in a row where he's been 14, 1500 yards,

crazy numbers last year. He was eight. Yeah. Last year he was 1700 and he was injured like the last three games. So 2000 is definitely not out of the realm of possibility or probability, but I just, I just love watching him play because I love the enthusiasm and the passion in which he plays with. He's one of the few players, about four of them. But I remember, you remember Peter Wark, right? When Peter Wark was at Florida State? Yeah. Yeah. When I used to watch Peter Wark play, him, Reggie Bush, and Tyreek Hill, when when they get the ball you hold your breath because you don't know what's gonna happen right you know it's a different type of excitement michael vick

dropping back and scrambling right you hold your breath so you don't know what's gonna happen it's it's a certain type of excitement that very few people bring to the game and i'm talking i'm dating back from when football started very few it's a handful like oh my goodness what's gonna happen that's how special tyreek hill is yeah he was like he was like barry i mean you had see watching barry on tv doesn't do him just doesn't do barry sanders justice you had justice you had to see him up close to see i've never seen a man jump start with both feet normally you know they they play but he jumped start with both feet right it would accelerate again ocho congratulations i'm excited yes unk and ocho this was our very first episode we're only going

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