Nightcap - Nightcap - NFL Week 2 SNF Reaction

Episode Date: September 18, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson discuss Deion Sanders and the Colorado Buffaloes hanging on for the win over Colorado State, the Dallas Cowboys beating the New York Jets, Joe Burrow’s continued struggles causing Cincinnati Bengals’ 0-2 start, the Denver Broncos not winning with Russell Wilson, and Stephen A. Smith's beef with Terrell Owens.  #Volume #Club #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Last night, one of the best college games, Ocho, that I've seen in a very, very long time. In-state rivals. There was a lot said. Jay Norvell took his shot. And, you know, my mom taught me that when I'm in a room, I take off my sunglasses, I take off my hat, basically implying or inferringring or you can make reference to

that Deion Sanders' mom didn't raise him the correct way. But there was a lot to be said, and so we knew the game was going to be a lot of pushing and a shoving, and I thought they'll let the emotions get away from them for too long. I understand that, you know, look, you can't take no shot at my coach today. You can't take a shot at my family because I'm going to take my shots back at you. And so for me, Ocho, I thought it, I thought the coaches, both coaches should have got a hold of their team a lot sooner.

Thatwithstanding, it was an outstanding ball game. What was your takeaway? Listen, it was a beautiful ball game. It was a great ball game. Penalties, in fact, are the reason why Colorado State didn't win that game. 17 for a buck 82. For a buck 82. If you take away some of those penalties and had a little bit more discipline,

if the coaching was better. Yeah. Did his mom teach him that? His mom ain't teaching that. He wouldn't have been able to stand on that hat and glasses comment. But obviously, it didn't go in his favor. But that was one hell of a goddamn game. All jokes aside, that was a great game.

One of the best collegiate games I've seen this year so far. Oh, it's the best game I've seen this year thus far. One of the best games that I've seen in a very long time. You know, you say 17 penalties for 18, for 182 yards. One of two things is going on here, Ocho. Either you're coaching it or you're condoning it. Which is it, Jay Norvell? There's one, coach players take on their coach's attitude.

Attitude, yeah. So either you coach that or you condone that. There were two cheap shots and it almost put out, they put out one of their best players out they put out one of their best players to put out one of their best players travis hunter i don't know why that's not a targeting call because the safety waited till his guy got out of the way and then lowered a cheap shot on travis hunter and then we saw the defensive end kamara basically bear a hug after the ball is thrown pin him so now he can't get his arms out to protect himself yeah

and drop all of his body weight on top of him and jay novella is talking about after the game well i don't know how we doubled him up in penalties because you were playing dumb football you're coaching dumb football that wasn't even coaching dumb football that was it's okay i'm gonna take that one that's what that coach said and i can tell by the he condoned that you can tell by the safety's mannerisms after you get after you made the hit he relaxed he's not even chilling he knew it was okay to take that shot right and he knew said if you get a flag don't worry about it coach that one's on me i guarantee you you could you could just tell you could tell yeah they were trying they were trying to send a message because there were a lot. If I'm not mistaken, I think the Buffaloes were favored by 24 points.

Obviously, they didn't win by 24. And the game was in the balance. You have an 11-point lead in the fourth quarter. And if you play smart football, you play disciplined football, as you mentioned earlier, you're probably going to get out of Colorado, out of CU, out of Boulder out of boulder with a dub with a w with a dub and now you get bragging rights now you get to go in front of espn you get to go in your soapbox and you know yeah this is why i take my glasses off and this is why i

take my hat off now you got to take your hat off your sunglasses off with your tail between your leg and go right back up to fort collins you caught that L. Shador Sanders. I don't know if you saw this, Ocho, but I tweeted. I said, you know what? He has a single-digit number like Elway. Let's see if he can put a drive together. Make it reference to the drive that Elway had in 86 in Cleveland.

He goes 98 yards. Down the field. Right. They go into overtime, kick the game, winning field goal. Shador Sanders goes 98 yards, gets a the touchdown but he has to go for two get the two and coach prime did something i don't think i've ever seen a college coach do going into overtime win the toss right take the ball because i want to know what i need do i need a field goal to win? Do I need a touchdown? Or do I get the touchdown? Do I go for two?

Right. He says, you know what? I got a hot quarterback. It should do what I trust. You know, on money they got in God I trust. Trust. Coach Prime says, with the football game, it should do what I trust. He put the ball in his hands and said I want to put pressure on them.

It ain't no pressure on us because I got the best player on both teams. And I want him with the ball in his hands. Listen, when Prime made that decision to take the ball first, that is the ultimate trust in his son. The ultimate trust in his offense. The ultimate trust in everything that he talks about and believing in everything that they have in that locker room. The fact that he did that, which is almost frowned upon as a coach yes always wanted to you you don't want the ball

first because you're letting them know what they need to do bingo and plus you give them an opportunity because i also tweeted i'd like i believe they go for two and try to win it here right because now you got them on their heels you just scored a touchdown and he didn't do that so now he left the door open for them to come back and play and and to play on but i'm not so sure in that situation i really don't have anything to lose right because i was expected to lose anyway anyway i think i think i'm going for two ocho i don't know how you feel about it but i think i'm gonna go for two in that situation. Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely.

I'm trying to get up out of there, get him up out of there. I don't want no more pressure. I don't want no more pressure on my back, and I'm trying to get up out of there with that W at all costs. Going to kitchen sink at him. Man, I'm looking at Shador, and he had a slow start, but he ended the game 38 of 47, 348 yards, four touchdowns. He did have that pick that carried him off of his receiver's hand.

The question was, Ocho, is that you heard and I heard all last year. Yeah, he's putting up those numbers, but look at the level of competition he's putting those numbers up against. And so now what's your argument? There is none. There is none. And I will will always i will constantly say this this is a testament to players that feel that they have to be at big power five schools in order to get notice if you can play the game it doesn't matter where you go they will find you yeah you

could listen you could be if you was a nun and you was playing with the sisters of the North at a Catholic church in the North pole and you good, they will find you. It's not where you go is what you do. Once you get there. I don't care who you are. You know what? Understand that you don't have to go to no school and sit down for three years.

No, you don't have to go sit down and wait till you're seen you to play. You can go somewhere. And if you really like that, if you really him, let me really him let me yeah quick story when i was in you know when i was in high school right right let me tell you something real real small real real real just about being in high school my head coach you know my first name was what i am you are what i am you are no no i am you know my last name was what him yeah yeah it don't matter they say you didn't start to your outro they say you didn't start to your senior year don't don't do me like that that doesn't like that if it's a lie they told it in the barbershop

but you know that barbershop i don't know what's true and what don't do me like that listen you know who was on my high school team you want to listen to me samari roll duane stalks that's why i know you want no db because see if you see what you keep telling me you told me i wanted to be a db but this is what i know about but players about athletes right rise to the top i don't care how crowded that db was. If you like that, guess what? I go in there and clear it out. Oh, no. Mr. Brown wasn't having that.

Mr. Brown wasn't having that. No, your skills wasn't having that. Let's get back on top. But that game last night, the Buffaloes had every reason to say you know what man we just don't have it tonight we had some penalties and costly situations uh uh how many times did they allow them to run the drag or what we call a shallow cross ocho ocho over and over and over and it was in man every time i'm like to myself i'm like what we just goes on just pass that off and pass it off what we doing oh who number i can't even remember number 14 name

i don't know how many drags he caught and he caught by 16 passes screaming uh he caught he caught uh 16 he had 17 targets 18 targets caught 16 passes but basically all he was catching was shallows yeah the shallows over and over and over and they they didn't want to make the adjustments they didn't want to make the adjustments but everything panned out the way it was supposed to the way it's not the way i thought listen i'm gonna be honest with you i'm not gonna sit here and lie i I love Prime to Death. I love Prime to Death. I thought that game was going to get away from me.

Yes, I did too. Honestly, I really thought the game was going to get away from me. I was rooting for him. I thought he had his guys too amped. I thought they were too amped. I thought they were too... Here's the thing. You can take something personal, but not make it personal.

I thought they had started to make it personal personal i i i thought that they had started to get out of who they were in order to get at them once he was able to get them in at halftime settle them down and let them know hey hey calm down calm down at the end of the day it's not whether or not a only the 24 points it matters the draft kings yeah it doesn't matter to us as long as we win the game i'm good right i believe i believe in all of you guys and the one thing i love most about coach brian is that good or bad he's always encouraging his players he's hugging you okay maybe maybe coaching over because i remember and you grew up probably a little you're a little younger than i am ocho but i remember when coach you used to grab you by your face mask pull you put oh yeah kick in your

butt wait maybe coach maybe maybe because coach prime doesn't do that, he's not coach material. Because he's so encouraging, because he's so loving, so he's so complimentary, and he treats every one of those kids like they're his actual kids. Right, right. I mean, Coach Prime is different. Coach Prime is different. He is. He's one that the players can relate to.

I think a lot of coaches envy that. Envy that. He doesn't have the typical style of saying all the right things or going into your home and having to lie to your family and telling you things just to get you to come there. And once you get there, they really don't treat you the same once they got you in-house. Things change all of a sudden.

But Prime is very authentic. He's original. He's original. One of the things that very many coaches at the collegiate level aren't from day one they have to be someone that they're not and i think that that upsets him prime he took the position one of the most powerful positions in collegiate football that not many of us are afforded the opportunity to do to lead men black white men, bringing everybody together and changing a program like this and a snap of a finger. Right.

That's unheard of, man. It is. You got people taking shots at you that have nothing to do with the game of football. Right. Nothing to do with football. My blessing ain't got nothing to do with your blessing. At all. At all.

How many times have we seen Coach Prime give interviews with his sunglasses on, with his hat on? It wasn't like he just started this when he did it this week. Oh, I'm playing Colorado State. Well, let me see if I can get up under their coach's skin by doing an interview like this. He's done this before. So this is not out of character for him.

He's been doing it since the 80s since the 90s you know it's just him it's always always been it's always been him but the fact that his makeup and dna isn't similar to theirs right okay something ain't right okay we don't like it right they find a reason you know what i'm most excited about? Why I wanted them to win. Obviously, I want them to win because I believe in Coach Prime. He's a good friend of mine. But I wanted these naysayers and these haters to wait another week before they got something negative to say. That's all. That's really the reason. You know, hey, yeah, I want to coach prime to go three and oh. But I just wanted the haters to have another week. They got to bite their tongue because, you you know as soon as they lose a game,

everybody's going to spill out. Yeah, they are. They are. And that's a part of life. Everybody waiting on that downfall. Everybody's waiting on that downfall. What it makes me think about is think about some of the best players ever that have done it.

Your Tom Brady's. Your Floydyd mayweathers you're serena williams yes it gets to a point where you're so good at something you're so good at something you do it your way you got people watching and tuning in just to see you fail that's the thing they're not watching they're not watching they just want to say, you know what? I was there or I watched when Floyd got beat. I watched when Deion lost his first game or when Tom Brady did. But see, they wanted to be in dramatic fashion. See, they don't just want you to lose. They wanted Floyd to get knocked out.

They didn't want to go to a decision. They wanted to get knocked out. They wanted Serena to lose in straight sets. Six one and six love. So that's what's most disappointing. And a lot of people, yeah, there's some for the other side, but it's a lot of people in our community that's rooting against time. And that's what's most disappointing. You think so?

Listen, I mean, you would know better than me, the landscape for you and your moral compass and your antennas is out there a little bit more than I am but everybody on my end we loving it, I'm sure you probably on the other side of the spectrum I just ain't seen none of us really not root for, how could you not

root for that? How could you not root for that? Because it's not your success I want my success and i if i'm not successful when they say misery loves company uh-huh why would i want why would i cheer for you when i'm over here sad and i'm disappointed and my life isn't going well like the reason why your life isn't going well is because coach prime is doing good at boulder that's that's why your life isn't well that's why things are not going well for you.

And that's what I told. That's what I just told you last week. That's what I just told you last week when we just talked a few days ago, not too long ago. If you focus on what's on your plate, if you focus on what you got to eat and you lock in on what you got to eat and what you need to do to prepare your meal and stop worrying about everybody else's recipe, you're going to be all right. But we always in everybody else's food trying to see what they're eating. And you wonder why our shit don't taste right. Ain't got no goddamn season or flavor.

Man, it ain't even Sunday. It's Sunday too. Don't make me preach today now. The Cowboys beat the Jets 30 to 10. I try to tell you, but your head hard head hard but you're gonna learn sooner or later turn the ball over four times three picks a fumble as dominating as the cowboys have been and i think the thing is is that because they've outscored their opponents 70 to 10 70 their offensive struggles have gone unnoticed right they've been in the red zone 10 times they've scored five touchdowns they're 21st in red zone

touchdown percentage they've had 10 drives in the red zone they've only scored touchdowns on five of them that is only responsible for 14 of those 70 points two touchdown drives so i don't think this is a good a good test or a good testament to who the jets really are this is not a good this is not a good testament not at all because if you're going if you're going to base testing the jets off a plan against the best the best right now statistically d for the team in the NFL that is unfair that is just unjust I'm not I'm not I'm not basing there I'm not basing off that

I'm looking at the body of work that Zach Wilson has drawn from me you talking about the past man you talking about the past everything everything resets everything it's a new season it's a new season. It's a new season.

Theoretically, since you say everything is the past, 425 today is the past. But I'm just talking about what I saw today. Now, how many games do you think they'll win with that quarterback playing like he played? Okay, well, one of the things that they don't have to do is they don't have to face that goddamn Cowboys defense every goddamn week. They don't have to face that. So I think defensively, offensivelyly they'll be in better situations you can game plan a little better because other teams are going to have weaknesses and other things that you can manipulate offensively and help zach wilson out being

able to put other being able to put can you help him read defenses can you help him not throw the ball to the other team well it's hard to read the defense when number 11 hitting you every time you drop back. Whoa, whoa. It's hard to read the defense when Makai Parsons hitting you upside the head every play you drop back. Hold on. I need a red flag. I want to challenge something.

Because when I told you on Monday night about Josh Allen turning the ball over, you say that's a part of the game. Now, all of a sudden, defense ain't a part of the game the other team is not to have not allowed to have a good defense if we got a crappy quarterback they need to have a crappy defense to match that crappy quarterback no no what we're not going to do is we're not going to call the quarterback crappy if you have an engine right you listen to me if you have an engine when you put your key in your ignition right yeah you When you crank the car, in order for that engine to work, don't every

part inside that engine have to be working in unison, right? For that engine to go? But you already see that. Well, there we go. So we can't, that's, we gotta do the entire jets off. Thank you. I know how we do. You know what? You know what, Ocho? I do see you and I come from basically

same kind of upbringing. We wait till the car put us down side the road before we get rid of it. Now, if them fail to crank, you'd have to have your comb boy, your auntie to come pick you up and take you to work. You know that car gonna put you down side the road one day.

But you know what? You said, nah, I'm good, cuz I just need a spark plug, you know, a voltage regulator. nah, I'm good, cuz I just need a spark plug, you know, an alternator, a voltage regulator. A new battery. Matter of fact, just for context purposes, for people watching, Honda 2006.

All day. And when it puts you down side the road, you like, and they're like, man, that look like Ocho Cinco side the road. Man, I know that there Ocho. Hey, now everybody about to get that thing and go live. It's got you walking side of the road because it's going to put you down. So you're going to wait till Zach Wilson actually put you down side of the road. He's not going to put me down.

I understand, understand the analogy I just use. It's a, it's a team game yeah when things go when things go well most of the time the quarterback gets the credit when things don't go well offensively as they did today again again you're going against the best defense in the nfl like it's not fair it's really not fair to judge them off of this game today and then being thrown into the fire and then being thrown into the fire, and then being thrown into the fire with Aaron Rodgers going down. All I ask from you and the people, the people, the Jess Nation, and even you, Shannon, a little patience.

It's only week two. I ask you just give me just give Zach Wilson another week, another week. That's all I'm asking. We're not trying to teach kids how to potty over here. We're grown-ups. I know we're grown, but you have to understand the situation at hand.

Understand the situation at hand. Have some type of sympathy and compassion. How about this here? You've heard people say this a lot. You can never out-exercise a bad diet. No team can overcome bad quarterback play.

Not in today's game because they've made it so restrictive. That's why the running back is not as valuable as he once was because of what they used to say. Bring your run game and your defense and you can go places well now they've devalued they put so much emphasis on think about it the defensive receiver the incidental contact the holding the quarterback you basically only hit the quarterback between his letters his numbers that's the only target you got You can't hit him in his head. You can't hit him below his waist and you can't touch anything.

You cannot protect. You cannot hide him. There used to be a time you could hide your quarterback. I can hide every other player on the offensive side of football. I can slide the line one way or another. I can leave a back end to chip his way through.

You have your receivers. You can stack them up. You put them in motion if they can't get over. I cannot hide that quarterback. You can't hide him. Peekaboo, they see you. They're going to make him play. Because once upon a time, you could

make your quarterback a cheerleader. Now they made him a participant in the game. No longer a cheerleader. He's going him a participant in the game. Oh, yeah. No longer a cheerleader. Right. He's going to have to get exponentially better, Ocho, in order for them to go places. Because Miami, I don't know if you noticed, but Miami looked real good.

But very good. Very good. I think, but listen, I always believe in Tua. And I think for a little bit is the same way everyone was doubting Tua is the same way they're doing Zach. It's the same way. I mean, it's a little bit is the same way everyone was doubting Tua. It's the same way they're doing Zach. It's the same way. I mean, it's a little bit different because the supporting cast in Miami is a little bit different than that in New York.

Here's the thing. This is what kind of – and we're going to talk about Cincinnati a little bit, but Joe Burrow. I'm always a little leery when guys just have that one year. But we saw T of over a span right well we saw zach wilson for one year and it was like the jets were sold on him like they didn't have they had their mind made up okay joe burrow's going number one they identify zach wilson without even looking at any of the other quarterbacks and he had one year he had one year go look at the

year before at byu right i mean the talent speaks for itself because when you turn the film on that's what it's all about it's about i mean obviously scouts what they look at they do their homework and they see the film and when you see the film it it jumps out on you based on what no what jumps out was his ability to throw the football. He threw the ball on one leg. He was on one knee and threw the ball 60 yards. How many times is he going to do that in the NFL? How many times?

How many quarterbacks are you up to do that? Not many, but there are other variables to him that makes him a special, a good quarterback. It just hasn't panned out there. Obviously, he has multiple angles that he can throw the ball from. And when he was coming out in the draft, I said he is Patrick Mahomes-ish. I didn't say he was Patrick Mahomes. So people don't run with, oh, Chad said he was Patrick.

I said Patrick Mahomes-ish, you know, the ability to throw the ball, throw a sidearm, throw it over the top. He can throw it with his left. He can do all that pretty stuff too. He just hasn't been able to do it. I think right now one of the problems, playing in that goddamn New York media can really hurt your confidence. Having games like today where you turn the ball over

and one of the picks is a goddamn running back fault, but I'm not going to get into that because I don't have a presentation to show to people that it ain't always Zach Wilson that's messing these mistakes, but who do they blame it on? I mean, you know what, Ocho? If I was in the courtroom, I would really like you to be my defense attorney because you're trying to put up a formidable case. No, I'm not trying to put up a case.

I got your video. I got your video. I got your video going in the store and coming out with the TV. That's you, Ocho. Is that you, Ocho? So I got all this film on Zach Wilson staking up the joint. I got it on tape. Ocho, when you got into the league, what did they tell you?

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and sports collide, and hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Again, today's game is really, it does, it's just, does no, no justice, no justice for that team offensively, no justice for that, for the quarterback's confidence to have to play the best defense in the NFL right now at all. That's just unfair, especially coming off what just happened last week. What do you think about the Cowboys? Because I think the Cowboys offense is going unnoticed because the defense has been so outstanding.

It's playing so well. You know what? The tides are gonna turn now yeah tides are gonna turn when when when you first start off i i still remember this day defenses all they got to do is read and react and just go yes they fly into the ball just read and react all fences take a little time to jail the chemistry to build up i say by the time the cowboy gets about week three or four and all they turning on all cylinders, then you'll see a different ball game. And the good thing about it is if the defense can continue to play well.

Right. If the defense can continue to play well and that offense starts to catch up and the identity is showing on both sides, man, shit. But also, we're going to get four game tapes on that defense, and we're going to see what they like to consistently run to formations and what they like to do in certain areas of the field. So we're going to get some more intel on things that they're doing. Right now, they're relentless at getting at your quarterback.

Yeah. Because what they've done is that they're tackling the running back on the way to the quarterback. Dan Quinn said to hell with the running back. Go to Michael. Diggy Zua. Go get D-Law. Go get the quarterback.

Yeah. Yeah. Damn the running back. We'll let Wolf Hunter. We'll let those other guys worry about the running back. Attack the quarterback. Yeah. And they're doing a hell of a job what they've got

like 12 13 sacks in two games already digs they digs them locking up everything yeah because the notice ball gotta come out quick i mean all you gotta do it all you all you gotta do is sit there you ain't got to move read three step for what i ain't budging throw it let me get that you got a double move digs because digs biting everything he looking he looking to get cheap pieces you ain't even got no time to do no double move you got no time you got no time uh so the jets uh aaron rogers had surgery um shortly after dr neil elletrosh of the Curling Joe Clinic out here. I know Dr. Eletrosh. I'm not surprised that he did the surgery.

He's a world-renowned top athlete. Around the world come, get their knee done, repaired by him, get their Achilles. He did what they call a speed bridge. And Rodgers is hoping to be able to return during the playoffs. So basically, in four months. Now, I don't like that, especially with the advancement of medicine and the technology that they have. These surgeons are great.

Medicine and technology is great. But T.O., we pushing the upper threshold. Hold on. I need to put on a name tag because you just called me T.O. Did I? I mean, Ocho, my bad. Man, you got me up here sweating. Four months, four months, four months four months four months old joe is yeah that

that's that's un that's unheard of for something that takes what six six to eight to recover six to eight that's a six to nine month injury easy easy because i think you i think you non-weight bearing for at least the first six to eight weeks no time right there right right i listen i i'm i'm not a i'm not a doctor i'm not a doctor i don't really know i mean where'd you stay at so pretend to be one right now pretend to be one well if you're gonna have a surgery and i'm not sure what a bridge is but technology actually is at a point in 2023 where it is at advance where him actually coming for the playoffs logically can happen it can it can happen it can happen but i just that's scary it's scary it's scary with that two things there are two things you don't play with there are two things

in life you don't play with them come to playing sports that scare me even though i admit thank god i've never had those injuries your achilles you don't want to play with that groin you don't want to play with yeah yeah you don't want to play with anything soft tissue because any sudden movement any sudden movement is going to irritate it you don't know what's going to happen they They said it's an internal brace and a speed bridge. So basically, it helps. It says the speed bridge, protect and repair, and opens up the possibility of an earlier return. That's what I'm reading here in my notes.

Four months, though, Ocho? That's insane. Ocho, four months? Think about it now. October, November, December, January. That's four months. That's four months.

I don't know. Maybe it's something else going on we don't know about. Maybe it's something else. You swapping out something and placing something else in there, man. I don't know. Well, I don't know if they could do that with within the key leads now i have heard of them using cadavers for acls now you remember ap came back up and i think he tore his uh acl in december yeah and he came back and finished about eight

yards nine yards short short breaking ed's record rushing yards in the season he won the mvp rushed for 2097 yards on a very bad team that was i've never seen anything like it and ever that was that was like december january that's so january february march april may june july august september that's nine months you're talking about half the time with a more serious injury. Injury, yeah. I don't know. That's scary. That's scary to me. And he's late 30s. AP probably was in his late 20s when that happened.

So you add 10 years. Does age really play a factor when it comes to injuries in the healing process though do you you really believe in that yes yes yes it's a proven fact the older you are the longer it takes you to heal the older you are the longer it takes you to heal yes i ain't never really i ain't never really believe yes i'm just saying i just just honestly just honestly i'm never really believing that everybody's body's different everybody's body different they have everybody's body reacts different to different things i think people hear faster than others regardless of yes it's just it's your dna it's your makeup and just the way we are i'm not saying i'm not saying yes some older people what i'm saying but as we age

right you know it takes longer to heal you right you remember remember how when you first came into the league, you could play a game that if somebody say, hey, Ocho, we need you to play a Thursday night game. You're like, man, I'm ready. By year five, you're like, nah, man, I think I'm going to go and push that thing to Sunday. And then by the time you got to year eight or nine, you're like, yeah, a Monday night game would be even better. That body, the recoverability that

the body had when we were younger, that thing don't function like it once did, T. You called me T again, but it's okay. No, I did not. You just said T. You know what? Hey, listen, I know you ain't trying to say we

look alike, because I'm handsome. I look good because I'm handsome. I look good. T.O., T.O., T.O., so you're trying to say T.O. not handsome? T.O. facing the challenge, man. Man, I'm going to let you have that one. Man, you know what it was? T.O., I love you, baby.

You know what it is? You know what it is, O'Shea? That man been trending on my social media all my time. Yeah, man. Listen. Listen. Listen. You talk to him? I need you.

I talk to him. I talk to him. I was going to reach out to him tomorrow. I talked to him in length yesterday. I talked to him in length yesterday. I said, T, T told me the issues that they had. I'm not going to share him here because that's not the place to share him. I also talked with Stephen A. Smith. I talked with Stephen A. Smith. I said, Steve, man, listen here, man. I'm not going to share them here because that's not the place to share them. I also talk with Stephen A. Smith.

I talk with Stephen A. Smith and I say, Steve, man, listen here, man. I love y'all. I love both of y'all. Man, both of y'all are inspirational and very motivating to me in different ways. I look up to y'all in different ways. I don't need to tell you that all the time.

Just know I admire the shit y'all got going on and what y'all have done. T, been watching T all my life. Stephen A, I've been watching you even when I was playing and actually couldn't wait to hear you at times. You know, this ain't what y'all need to be doing. Not us. Not us. Not us.

Not giving them something to talk about. Oh, here go these. And again, look at the, you, that's why we can't have nice things because y'all go tear it up between. I'm not even trying to say it,

but I'm, I'm trying to find a way to facilitate all each other. We could call each other, man. Listen, I'm a firm believer. And talk about it. I'm a firm believer. Call each other. We could call each other, man. Listen, I'm a firm believer. And talk about it. I'm a firm believer.

We can disagree. You got your opinion. I got mine. You see something one way. I see something another way. But for me, if I got something to say, I'm going to call him. You and I are going to discuss it. Right.

And it's not going to be for the world to hear. Right, right, right, right. So that's just, look, people attack me all the time. Because a lot of times, this is what I found out, Ocho. Yes, sir. A lot of times, if you can do something that they can do, but they can't do what you do. You see, I sit up here, and I was the first athlete. Skip Bayless and Fox gave me an opportunity as an athlete

to sit across from a journalist and talk about not only the sport that I played, but basketball, baseball, social issues, golf, hockey, whatever the case may be. I was the first athlete to do that full time. Now, there are others that have come since me. But now a lot of times people look at me because I didn't come from a journalistic background. I'm sitting across from a journalist and doing what he does. He could never live in my arena. And that breeds envy that breeds jealousy that

believe that bleeds a situation where i've got to try to what i know just as much as you right but you know why you why you especially if it's like me and you yeah why would i why would i why would i feel a need to say oh i'm gonna tell tell y'all what Ocho really like behind the scenes. I got this tea on Ocho and I can't wait to spill it. What? Even if I knew it, I wouldn't tell it. Right. And I ain't really got no tea because I live my life publicly.

But listen, they're both individuals that took different paths. know steven they steven they might not have played he might not have played maybe he had a dream of playing but he wasn't able to so he went a different route right he did play you feel me but both of them climbed that mountain with obstacles in the way yeah they both made it to the top and the pinnacle of their childhood dreams whatever it may be there is no reason There's no reason why they are at that top to be going back and forth with each other when they're the only ones that can hit themselves screaming. Because that's where everybody else trying to get to. We all trying to get where y'all at. Ocho, one climb one side of the mountain, the other climb the other side of the mountain,

but they're both at the peak. Screaming at each other. You both, think about it, you're both great in your chosen profession. Exactly. Exactly. You know, look, I've known Stephen A. I've known T.O., I've always been a T.O. supporter

and I thought he got some bad rap or bad press at times. I think some of the things that he did bring upon himself. I've known Stephen A for the better part of a decade, have gotten to know him a little better over the last year. And so I have nothing but love and respect for both guys. But I agree with you.

This is something that I believe that we can handle behind closed doors. I don't know what the issues are. I don't really care to know. But I think both of – knowing Stephen A, the way I know him, he's done with it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, knowing T, as much as I know T, he's done with it. He's done with it. You both? I'm glad. I had to pause for a minute and think about it a little bit because I love him. That's my brother. I'm talking about I love him. Like, ain't nothing, ain't none of that.

But I think I talked to him, you know, and I think things are going to be okay. I want them two gentlemen, man, to sit down and hash out their differences and just let bygones be bygones and just keep doing what they do in their respective worlds. Yeah, I'm all for that, bro, because like I said, I ain't out here trying to bash. I'm not going to bash. Look, when I'm on television and I talk about somebody, I'm just talking about someone from our community that plays a professional sport i'm talking about you in that arena i'm not talking about you personally i'm not talking about your family i'm not talking now if you get yourself in trouble you get a dui

you do something crazy i've got to address that right but normally when i speak i'm speaking about your performance or lack of. Right. And when a lot of times the new telling the truth is labeled hate and jealousy. Yeah. No, bro, I'm just telling you, you didn't play well. Right. And that's something that I'm going to need you. And I'm glad I'm so glad you said that.

Now that I'm in that space, there's one of the few things that I have a hard time doing. If you follow me throughout the years, if you follow me on Twitter for people that are watching, I have a hard time critiquing people. I have a hard time being critical of people because there is no harsher critic to these athletes that are playing in those arenas today than themselves. And it, to me, I feel it does, it doesn't do them justice or me justice to sit on any platform and say well so and so didn't do this based on whatever regard or standard i i i hold them to if that makes sense i have to get a little bit more savvy with it the way you are or the way steven a does to where i can be critical of an athlete's performance without him being upset or be considered hating for that matter

he's gonna be upset first of all ocho let me tell you let me tell you what what coach prime and he and i used to talk all the time he said the reason why they get upset with you is that the argument that they used to use is that you didn't play the game and if you did play the game you weren't very good okay i'm a three-time Super Bowl champ. Right, right, right. A four-time first-team All-Pro, and I got something. I was number 267. I'm in a room with less than 400 busts.

So now what's your argument? You can't say I didn't play because I played 14 years. You can't say I didn't win anything because I won three chips. You can't say I wasn't that good because I got a gold jacket. So it cuts a little deeper when I say it. but just take it and say you know what instead of saying that man is hating that man got an eye because i heard he was a student of the game and i know where he came from and how hard he worked to get to where he got so instead of taking it as a i'm gonna take it as constructive criticism criticism this man is this man is trying to give me something that's going to help me,

not hurt me. And so if they were to look at that, because you have to understand, they put you up there because you played the game at a high level and you see the game through a lens that the person at home is watching can never see through. So you can offer insight. That's what you're giving. the person at home is watching can never see through. So you can offer an insight. That's what you're giving.

If somebody, like I'm telling you the coverage that the defense is in and where the ball should have gone or what the route the receiver should have run, you can't get mad at me because I'm telling you. But they take it like, man, you try. And they always hear the thing, man, you know you bringing a black man down. Bro, I'm not you. Bro, I ain't trying to bring no black man down. All I'm saying is I'm critiquing your game. I'm saying in that game, I'm not trying to take away anything that you've done in the past.

So whatever you've done, the All Pros, the Pro Bowls, the DPOYs, the MVPs, that's yours. But today, Sunday, Monday, or Thursday, you didn't play well. That's all I'm saying. Okay. I got you. I got you. That's something I have to learn to navigate and get a little bit more comfortable with. Get a little bit more comfortable with doing it in the right way because I just –

you ever have players come up to you yes yeah but you know what i look the best the thing that they come a lot of them like they like they're gonna beat you they're gonna beat you up no okay that ain't gonna happen we're gonna have a we're gonna have a healthy discussion but that ain't going that ain't going down that ain't gonna happen like that but you know what You know what they tell me? They'll know what they tell me on the show? Real talk. Real talk.

They say, man, you hard. But you fair. But you fair. And at the end of the day, that's all I can do. As you get further and further away from the game, you'll have less and less guys that you played with and played against. It gets easier. But I never had a problem telling the truth. Less and less guys that you played with and played against. It gets easier.

But I never had a problem telling the truth because I would tell the truth when I played bad or I would call up my own teammates when they didn't play good. So for me, just tell the truth. I'm never going to ask a man more than I'm willing to give. So just take it like, man, man, Shanna Sharp, man. I mean, look at what that man accomplished. He must know something. Right, right.

You can't accidentally. You can't accidentally. You just don't accidentally stumble up in the Hall of Fame. You don't fall your way in the three Super Bowls, Ocho. You right. You right. Well, shoot, let me see. I ain't got no jacket.

I made my own jacket, so I'm kind of qualified. I inducted myself. But you are qualified because you played the game at a high level. You were a student of the game. I was good too, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And because you offered opinion. Right. Right. Right. You know what? This is what I saw. It's just unfamiliar territory for me. It's unfamiliar.

I'm just going to be honest. You might not have followed me closely throughout my career, but people that do, it's one thing I always do. I'm going to lift up and pump up any and everybody. If there's something negative going around an individual, who will be the first one on Twitter to find the littlest positive?

The littlest. Just having to critique and analyze anybody in a negative... I know what it's like to analyze anybody in a negative i know what it's like to have a bad game i know what it's like to drop a ball a ball that matters i know what it's like yeah i've been there in my mind in my mind i'm thinking like who in the fuck i think i am to be not be playing and be criticized and do that i plan that are going through the same thing i went through when i was playing. It's hard. It's part of the game, but it's just hard.

But because you offer a critique of someone, that doesn't mean you're criticizing him. You're criticizing his performance or the play in that particular game. They can't separate the two. That's a big problem. That's not

a you problem. So's not a you problem. So let me ask you a question. Who cut the checks? Draft Kings or they? What you mean? For me? Yeah. Or you mean in general?

No, right now. Okay, well, it's two separate checks being cut. Draft Kings and then my old lady cut the check. I'm going to stay at home, Dad. I got a little allowance. What? Yeah, that's another story. When we finish football, we'll get on that.

I want to talk to you real quick. The revisit is something back from January, but go ahead. Okay. Yeah, so that's the thing. And I think once guys understand that, because I'm not going to take a personal shot at you. I'm just going to say, you know, this is what transpired. You shouldn't have let this happen. Okay, you know zero coverage.

Why would you let the guy inside of your DB? Okay, you know you see the blitz coming. Okay, why would you let the guy beat you inside? Okay, you got to step with you. You got to be strong with your inside foot because you see the guy is going to come inside. Right, right, right. The guy, if I see the safety down, if I see the safety down, where do you think the guy in front of me is going?

He's going to cross my face because he has to because the safety is down. Down, yeah. And if you study take, they're going to tell you what they're going to do. Now, you know what, Ocho? They get to practice too. Now, they're going to give you a look or two that you haven't studied. Seen, yeah. But more times than not, they're're gonna be true to who they are

down in distance area of the field yeah not not much changes to a game plan a wrinkle here a wrinkle there it'd be the same plays you watched on film just different formations and different salad dressing as i called it but what you're gonna do you're gonna react improvisation the really great players have great improvisational skills. Why did you do that? I said, because let me tell you what happened. I said, see, when y'all drew them X's and O's on the boards, they didn't move.

I knew some game time he was going to move. That's why I did what I did. Right, right. Oh, we got to talk about this. Your Bengals,, Bengals. Yo, Bengals. Who they? When they?

Going to get a win. When they? Joe Burrow. Hey, Joe Burrow not looking good, Ocho. He not looking good. Listen, we started 0-2 last year. He wasn't looking good then either. We started 0-2 last year.

We wasn't looking good either. The cream always rise to the crop. Have you ever made Pillsbury croissants in the oven? Have you ever made them? Nope. You know how they start out? They start out flat. They start out flat. And over time when you put the oven on 350, they start to plump up.

All I know is croissants don't start as a pancake mix. So all I know is that when your guy came into the season with a calf injury and he said after the day he aggravated that injury. Now let me tell you something how my thought process was and when I went. Normally when you limp into the season, you limp out of the season. Isn't that true, Ocho? Normally when you come into the season with an injury, how do you get healthy?

How do you get healthy when you got to go out there and practice and you got to play every Sunday? So how do you get healthy how you get healthy when you go out you got to go out there and practice and you got to play every sunday so how do you get healthy because when you have surgery when you're a normal person what you do ocho you have an injury they give you they say rest rest rest eye compression elevate now how you do that in the nfl listen this is the nfl right yeah not for long if you don't get it right not for long if you don't get it right. Not for long if you don't get it right. But, you know, even though it's week two, it's about 80% of players that are not healthy. Everybody ain't fresh. That's a part of the game. Everybody ain't fresh.

People got hurt in the preseason. People get hurt in practice. Nobody, nobody is 100%. And it's only week two. That's a part of the game. It's going to always be like that. And it's going to continue to stay like that. No matter how much they try to protect the players, you're going to get hurt. You're going to have Knicks and Knacks.

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We scored 24 points today. You see which direction we're going? Are you with me? Are you with me? We didn't win the game. But let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

Does this offense, how does it look to you? How does he look? How does Jamar Chase look? Do you see the frustration building on Jamar Chase? Okay, it's only week two. It's only week two. We are going to be fine. We are going to be fine. Listen, I remember being frustrated too in week two when things

weren't going well with Carson and I. I wasn't getting that ball like I felt I should be getting it. Listen, and then wait a minute. We got to about week three. We got to about week three. I probably had, after two games, I probably had about 45 yards. I'm mad.

I'm upset. I'm side-eyeing Carson on the sideline. You know? But I ain't saying nothing. I'm not saying that. Well, we get to week three, and they go for 180. You know But I ain't saying nothing You know I'm not saying that Okay Well we get the week three And I go for 180

We get the week four I go for 260 What? You had a 260 in there? What? Well you ain't never seen me play You better Google me Oh man

Yeah And then it all It all just start to fall It all just start Listen God got favor On them Bengals We gonna be alright Yeah. And then it all it all it all just started to fall. It all just started. Listen, God got favor on them Bengals. We're going to be all right. Jamar Chase is going to have a hell of a season regardless of what's going on right now. It's never how you start. And I know Jamar, I know you're going to see this. It's never how you start. It's how you finish. And I guarantee you this.

You will still finish top five and targets and receiving yards when it's all said and done this season. Guarantee you. And they still got the Dolphins, the Chiefs, Packers, and the Bills. Win, win, win. What was working against you for the division, you're 0-2 in your division. Huh? You're 0-2 in your division huh are you owing to in your division

let me talk to you real quick stay with me right it's sunday huh yeah you know mary yeah you know what mary had what yeah a lamb yeah she had a little lamb you know you know what they do to little lambs? Lamb chops. Lollipops. I like mine a little on the rare side. I don't know how you like yours. Listen, on a serious note, we're going to get it together. For some reason, all seriousness, all jokes aside, on a serious note, for some reason, the Bengals, we always have a slow start.

We always have a slow start. It's happened now three years in a row with us having a serious note, for some reason, the Bengals, we always have a slow start. We always have a slow start. It's happened now three years in a row with us having a slow start and these same questions always happen to the media. Oh, what's wrong with the Bengals? Oh, what's wrong with Joe Burrow? Man, we gonna be alright. We gonna be alright.

What y'all gonna do with that O-line? The O-line has been the same problem when we went to the Super Bowl. The O-line was the same problem when we went to the AFC Championship and we can't even think about the O-line we are going to be okay we're going to be alright you can't keep taking those

you see what that you see Andrew Luck they forced Andrew Luck to retire at 30 nah what you not finna do is say our offensive line is bad as that offensive line thatrew luck had don't do that don't do me like that don't do that don't do that the devil the devil is alive because burrow was so historically great in that playoff run that man got sacked 19 times in four games that's unheard of in a playoff run. He got sacked nine times

and still won a game. That's unheard of. You know what is heard of? That is a testament to how great Joe Burrow is. Yes. Yes, how great he is. But you can't consistently overcome poor offensive

line play. You are right. Listen, the adjustments will be made. Those adjustments will be made in-house. I think he has an opportunity to be his accuracy, his ability to throw the football with Higgins and Chase. He has Boyd.

They got a decent running game with Mixon. Great running game, but go ahead. I say good. Yeah. great running game but go ahead I said good so you've lost no confidence in you you good see sometimes in relationships right sometimes in relationships

uh oh here we go ups and downs ups and downs just like the band right now how many ups and how many downs well shoot it's only been two downs Ups and downs. Ups and downs. Just like the band right now. How many ups and how many downs? Well, shoot, it's only been two downs. It's only been two downs. It's been two downs.

Y'all had two arguments and it looked like you ready to jump ship. You ready to jump ship after two arguments. Did she talk about my mama? Because I got to go. She talked about my mama. Granted, I got to go. nah okay well i'll work it out i'll work it out you can work it out you can work it out the broncos they had an 18 point lead they were 21 to 3 and we heard this talk about this new culture you got a coach that's making probably somewhere between 18 and 20 million dollars you got a coach that's making probably somewhere between $18 and $20 million. You got a quarterback making north of

$45 million. And I mean, what's going on, Ochoa? We put up the point. Who put up the points today? Offensively. The Broncos had a 21-3 lead. Russ started out doing great. On Arizona? No, no, no.

They played the Commanders. Yeah, I mean, Command. No, no, no. They played the Commanders. I mean, the Commanders. Yeah, yeah. My bad, my bad. They played the Commanders. Got out to a 21-3 lead. And, you know, a couple of turnovers. You know, the quickest way to get yourself out of a game and get the other team back in is to turn the ball over.

Give him the ball. Yeah, man. Every time. What's going on with Russ? What's going on with Russ? I like Russ. Is football still number one to him? Who else would it be? He promotes nothing else outside of just football.

He promotes nothing else. He lives, eats, you know what, football. He's a quarterback. He had no choice but to. But what happened? I've never seen a guy without an injury You know what? Football. Always had. He's a quarterback. He had no choice but to. But what happened? Have you seen? I've never seen a guy without an injury look like he's looked the last year and a half. The last part of when he was in Seattle last year.

Okay, we can blame that on Nathaniel Hackett said, okay, maybe Nathaniel Hackett was over his head. Maybe he didn't deserve to be a head coach right but you got to look at russ the last the last half of when he was in seattle and look at denver last year now something something ain't right ocho we got it nah ain't nothing wrong ain't nothing wrong with him ain't nothing wrong with him it's just i think what we have to do is is we have expectations for players we have expectations for players and in partnership you make 45 million dollars yes when certain partnerships come together oh we got sean payton we got russell wilson sean payton comes in with the iron fist that's the way he's gonna rule so we expect with sean payton coming in with the iron fist telling russell wilson well this is how things are gonna go this is the thing is gonna be and we're gonna get you back to this way and playing football the way i want you to play

football as a quarterback of my team it just it hasn't panned out in the way it should but is it the time to hit the panic button in week two no no, no. I think the thing that made Russ sensational, his legs. His legs? Yeah, his legs. The defense? The defense and his legs. He can still run? Ain't that okay?

Man, I saw them do it. Look, I saw a play today. Russ would have been out of bounds, grabbed him a cup of water on the sideline, drank it, and got back in the game. They ran him down and time ran up the clock. They had to kill the clock. He's not

the same. And I think he's a phenomenal man. I think he's a phenomenal husband. And I'm just basing that on what I see. I don't know what goes on in that man's household behind closed doors. It could all be a lie. I don't believe it is.

Nah. I think that's it. But I'm not judging him on that. I'm judging him. I believe blue and orange. All that other stuff, he can have 33 kids. I don't care. Right.

I need you to play quarterback. Quarterback for my Broncos. At a high level. at a high level level and right now it's not getting done now you've lost your first think about it ocho you've lost your first two games at home you got to go on the road on the road yeah yeah well listen if there's one person who's gonna make it happen you get you're paying one person 40 40 what how much russell making 40 what 40 45 46 48 what they paying the coast that they just brought in probably somewhere probably 18 20 that magic gonna happen that magic is gonna happen it's gonna happen it had no choice to

it had no choice but to turn around just based on the work that they put in i hope it does man i'm tired i'm tired i'm tired of jumping on everybody else's bandwagon because my team not good, and everybody else's team in the playoffs and mine not. Listen, life, football, ups and downs, peaks and valleys. We just had an anniversary, our 25th anniversary of our second Super Bowl that unfortunately I wasn't able to attend. That's what Broncos fans are used to.

They're used to winning. We ain't been to the playoffs since Hamill was a hatchet. Wait, y'all just won a Super Bowl not long ago now. Come on now. You know how long ago? That wasn't even that long ago now. Don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't be selfish now. This is what we're used to. This is what we're used to, Ocho. You see this? If you're not... I'm just saying I ain't never had one of them. That's pretty, though. Well, I helped get three of these.

That's what we're used to, Ocho. You see what I'm saying? That's what we're used to in Denver. I want a few of them on Madden though I'm just being honest I wanted to bring one of them to Cincinnati too I tried, I did everything I could I mean

That's what I'm used to Do you know how many teams Got one of these My homeboy got two of these Since the Broncos won their last one in 15. The Patriots, Tampa. Yeah. I don't know.

What you want, Brady? You want Brady to come and play for Denver? I'll take him. Hey, I'll take him. I'll take him. I'll take him. Your answer is Russell Wilson will always be Russell Wilson. Give me Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr.

Your answer is Russell Wilson. Trust me. Listen to me. Okay, what's the question? Sierra's husband? Yes. Is that a question you're asking? No, I'm telling you that's the answer.

Trust me. Trust me. Trust me. Hold on. I dropped my little MPs. Go ahead. Grab it right quick. Well, what's the next topic? Did you see Gardner Johnson?

He came to the game with the ski mask on. I mean, he was decked out. He had a nice little outfit. He had a nice little outfit. He had a nice little ensemble. He wasn't bawdy, though, Cho. He just did like, oh, yeah, man, I'm just going to wear this. He's like, man, hey, this thing will be like that. This thing will be fire.

He told the fans to wear masks, too. Yeah. And then when the Seahawks beat him, now they got masks on. Listen, that's the lay of the land. That's the nature of the beast. That's the nature of the beast. But again, but listen, this is what I like, though. What?

This is a different Lions team, man. Yeah, for sure. This is a different Lions team, offensively and defensively. This is a different Lions team. And I have every year, every year, the same, it's always the same teams in contention. And every year there's always one team that comes out the blue and has a phenomenal season and surprises everybody and makes the

playoff run and guess who and guess who that's going to be this year you like the lions i like the lions i like the lions i don't know what the hell dan campbell feeding them boys over there he gotta believe it he believing just like prime he got him believing but not only are they believing it's showing up on the field of play when you turn on the film when you watch the games they competing they compete with teams normally that they couldn't compete with and of course people of course people be like well so and so didn't play that's a part of the game injuries is part of the game sometimes you're gonna play somebody and they won't have a certain player playing you still got to go out there next man up next man up i'm telling you the lions got something

special brewing over there and i don't know what it is but i like cj gardner man he leading that defense man with a certain type of attitude he walk a certain way he talk a certain way they gonna be all right were you petty i mean did you did you ever do – I mean, you're in the same division as Ray. Ray had the coldest intro in the history of the NFL. Yeah, he did. Did you ever think about when you scored a touchdown on the Ravens doing his dance? No, no, no.

Because they made fun of me. I think they made fun of me, and they would steal some of the stuff I did. But I never mocked any of them. You know what's funny? As entertaining and fun as I was, I was very respectful to my opponents. Right. Very respectful, even though I talked trash.

You thought sending them pep to a biz mall was possible. Yeah, but see, the stuff I did wasn't malicious. It was more of an intent to, it's time to compete because here I come, but I'm going to do it in a fun way but here's the thing intent only matters to you right because the difference between manslaughter and murder is intent one is malice one is accidental the victim is still dead right so whether you intended to be a thought jovial he's still just as offended right Well, that ain't got nothing to do with it.

That ain't got nothing to do with you, though. It ain't had nothing to do with me because when it was time to line up, you already knew it was coming. You was going to get that work. Listen, there's a reason we... You know there's a reason games are played on Sunday, huh? Yes. Yeah. So I could bless you. Oh, listen.

I want to... You know what I want to know I want to know can you tell the people at home what you was thinking when you tried to crack back on Ray oh I you tried to sneaky I tried to sneaky but this is the funny part about it a lot of people don't if you if you look at the film right and this is what people fail to realize you know

let me talk let me listen to me now I lie for you before I lie to you baby you know that. Sometimes you just lie, but go ahead. If you look at the film and replay it again, as I'm going, you'll notice my shoestring on my left shoe is untied. So when I'm getting ready to go into Ray, you understand physics, common sense, physics. You learn this when you're in elementary. man wins it's about having leverage right i ain't had a leverage because my trajectory was thrown off because as i was finna hit ray boom i stepped on my shoestring and it caused me to to raise up a little bit and

so when i raised up and ray went through me i had no leverage to go through him that's why i fell back that's that's. That's all. I don't like the physics of that. That's all physics. Normally, when you step on your shoestring, you fall down. So, I ain't never seen nobody step on their shoestring and it raise up. No, no, no. Listen, I'm going forward.

Right. And, you know, you got to go through him. Yeah. So, I stepped on my shoestring on contact. So, it was easy for me to go up that way. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to think 250 coming this way 185 going that way it don't it ain't about that it's about this right here it's about this right here a lot of people ain't got this oh you can't see my heart you see my

heart it's about that that that in there listen i played rate for a decade straight a decade straight and every time i seen him i tried to knock his head off. Ask me how many times I won. None. None. I didn't care. I get your A for every time you kept coming back. It takes a special type of person.

Every day. Every day. If I see him right now, I'm going to run into him again. We ain't see him right now, I'm going to run into him again. We ain't got no pads on, but they run into him every day. But I love Ray, man. This is, you know, you know, the funny story. A lot of people don't know that a lot of you don't know, man.

Ray and I, this is a funny thing, man. For 10 years straight before every game, Ray and I read a scripture. Every, every game, even if I was playing away, I'd never forget at 10 o'clock, we'd always get that Bible. He'd get that scripture and we'd read it together before I go out there and play. And the damnedest thing, even the games when we would play, the fact that you would sit there and read a scripture with me and talk to me about the man upstairs and then permit to try to hurt me

on that field when that would blow, it's mind-boggling how the switch just goes completely off, and it's about football. Yeah. That's my dude, man. I love him to death, man. Good memories, good stories. I'm up.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Where we going? Where we going? I'm not finished because I ain't. We back tomorrow. No, we got to change. We got to double-handle tomorrow. We do? What you want to talk

about? What you want to talk about? We talk about whatever you want to talk about. You want to save it? No, go ahead. I just want, this would be like the extended version for the people at home. Now we talked about we all football now. We talk about life. Okay, we talk about life. Go ahead. Yeah. I talked

about you a long time ago. You said you didn't have no partner. You were single. So I found somebody for you. That's what I want you to know. I found somebody for you. Man, I look desperate. No, I'm not saying you desperate, but you look a little.

You got people out here thinking I'm thirsty. I didn't say you thirsty, but I'm trying to make sure you quenched. Nah, nah, nah. If you got anything to do with it, I don't want no parts of it. Because I already know you want some bull jive. Listen,

listen, I want you happy and smiling like me. You see how I'm smiling? I'm happy. You think you happy. Listen, God said when a man findeth a wife, God said when a man findeth a wife, he findeth

a good thing. You got a girlfriend? When a man findeth a wife, he's assured headaches. See, that's the problem. You find the wrong one. No, no, no. I got you.

I already gave you a number. I already gave you a number. I already gave you a number. I already gave you a number. What did I tell you? What did I tell you? What? If you date in private, you can break up in private. But if you date publicly, you have to break up publicly.

If you got the hatter. No, no, no. If you got the hatter, you ain't going to get behind her. No, don't do that. Don't do that. I didn't know you. If you got the hatter, don ain't going to get behind her. No, don't do that. If you got the hatter, don't try to get behind her. Don't do that. I need you to scream.

I need you to love her out loud, brother. I need you to profess your love for her. See, hold on. This relationship between her and I. Right. Yes. No, between you and her and that man upstairs yes he see even if even if i even if y'all don't see he sees okay he's omnipotent i want you in a position like i'm in i got i got one problem you know i found a good i found a good one but i'm having a small issue what's the

issue she talked about we get married next year right right that's what you told me stay with me stay with me though okay had the nerve to bring me papers to sign a prenup oh yeah you supposed to uh-uh uh-uh oh yeah you hey listen i'm trying i see what women I see that feeling women have Because this woman has Provided me with The ability to be a stay at home dad I ain't got to do nothing But take care of the kids I get to play video games all day

I ain't got to go to work You know what that feel like You know to have somebody The roles are reversed now So now I see how women be feeling when they be like going crazy over dude when they got when dudes got money oh i get oh boo i get it now you get the chill and you ain't gotta do oh oh joe i'm i'm a guy and that's what i tell my my friends and even guys that don't have money yes i say sign a pre they say well

shaw why should i sign a prenup i ain't got nothing i say because therefore when you leave you take all your nothing and not half of it you see because see what happens in divorce they take half the money and all the hoo-ha that's not a fair trade-off to me ocho see you hear what you just said that's why i ain't signing nothing because you like this lifestyle that she has provided me, you know how women are. Women are fickle. Women are fickle. One day, one day.

I'm fickle too. One day, she going to love me. She love me. But let me tell you. Let me tell you. What happened when I wake up one day and be like, I don't love you no more. Whatever. Listen.

If I had a guy, if I had to marry my college, if everything had gone according to plan, I married my college sweetheart. Let's just say for the sake of argument i'm worth nine figures did you did we did i lose your ocho yeah oh you back now yeah i was i was i was saying that if if if i would work if i'm worth nine figures and she was with me in college and i I get to that number. Yeah. Maybe you take half. I appreciate everything. I'm good. But I'm not going to,

I'm not going to let you come in and I'm on standing on top of the mountain and you ain't help get me there. And you think you're going to get half. Oh, that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. I like it.

I like it. Whatever, whatever we said in the pre-nup, that's why we have a contract. You know, back in the day, you know what a contract was? Uh-huh. Ocho.

It was a meeting of the minds. Right. Okay, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to give you my calf. You give me some of your grain. Or you give me some of your produce. But somehow along the way, somebody started backing out. And so now we had to get one of these.

We had to get that thing on paper. Because there was no longer meeting of the minds. So now, I ain't got no problem. I'm a very generous person. I'm a very generous person. To a fault. Me too. To a fault.

You can tell my mom, my sister, my kids. I help my kids. i don't do all for them now i say y'all at an age i paid for you to go get educated and you can do for yourself but as long as you're doing for yourself if you need that i'm willing i'm here i'm i got you i'm not your first choice i'm your last option because i sent you to school and i gave you great tools to try to figure it out for yourself before you came. Now, I'm not going to let you go under unless you're doing some bull jive. Now, if you're doing some bull jive, yeah.

Young, young. Yeah. But, nah, nah, I'm good, Ocho. I'm good. I'm good. You know, I got a guy by eye. Old Colby, Snake Eye, I got by eye on something. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. We ain't going to do that. We ain't going to do that. Listen, you done had, listen Colby, Snake Eye, I got my eye on something. No, no, no, no.

We ain't going to do that. We ain't going to do that. Listen. You done had, listen. Listen, Snake Eye. You done had your eye on many for many of years. Why? You done had your eye on many for many of years, but it hadn't panned out. Listen,

I need you next year. I need a plus one. I need you to stay with this plus one. Listen to me now. I ain't going to steal you wrong. When you next year. I need a plus one. I need you to stay with this plus one. Listen to me now. I ain't going to steal your own. When you get married. Listen, I'm trying to get out of signing this prenup, man, because if she leave, I need half. No, don't do that, Ocho.

I want to sustain the same lifestyle. Man, you got bread. Don't do that, Ocho. I ain't spending it, though. Don't do that. I ain't spending it, though. Who sides you on, man? I'm on this. Look,

I just, for me, I don't know. Even, like I said, whatever we agree to, if I say I'm going to give you $15 million at the prenup, take your $15 and go. If I say I'm going to give you $5, take your $5 and go.

I'm going to be fair. I'm going to give you $5, take your $5 and go. I'm going to be fair. I'm going to be fair because I think your time and having... Because I'm not an easy person. I'll be the first to admit it. I'm not an easy person to live with or to be with. See, that's the problem right there. It all starts with you. It all starts with you. So you talk about what you got

your eye on, but we need to work on you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Let's work on you. owe you that's why i got somebody for you so i'm trying i'm right now right right now right now right now this empire is that i'm trying to i'm trying to assemble okay so we that's what we we what we i'm trying to assemble with you oh well you know i'm trying to assemble the empire i'm trying to assemble with you. Well, you know, I'm trying to assemble the empire. I'm trying to build Legos. OK, well, we're going to do this thing together.

Yeah. And that's what I told you from day one. We sat down and had a conversation. Yes. We're going to get it done. But I need that. I need that plus one, though. Yeah.

Next year. Next year in the Bahamas. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Her name is her name, Matilda. getting mad in 24? Yeah, yeah. Her name Matilda. So she probably going to text you tomorrow.

Man, look here, man. Yeah. Hey, y'all. Ocho playing. He ain't serious. Shit. I told you now. I lied for you before I lied to you.

Don't do me like that. Man, hey. Ladies and gentlemen, sometimes he say he'll lie for me, he wouldn't lie to me, but sometimes he just be lying. He's Chad Ocho Seco Johnson. I'm Ocho Shattersharp. Thank you for tuning in to another episode of Nightcap with Ocho. We'll see you

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