Nightcap - Nightcap - Nick Saban retiring, Pete Carroll's firing, Stephen A. vs Whitlock

Episode Date: January 11, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Nick Saban retiring as the head football coach at the University of Alabama, Pete Carroll getting fired by the Seattle Seahawks, the war of wor...ds between Stephen A. Smith and Jason Whitlock, Aaron Rodgers' latest comments on the Pat McAfee show, and much, much more. 00:00 - Introduction04:00 - Nick Saban retires27:00 - Pete Carroll fired38:00 - Mike Vrabel fired as Tennessee Titans head coach01:00:00 - Pressure on Dak Prescott and Dallas Cowboys01:07:00 - Stephen A Smith vs. Jason Whitlock01:25:00 - Aaron Rodgers off Pat McAfee Show01:32:00 - Erik Spolestra gets mega contract from Miami Heat01:45:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:29 Welcome to a very, very special episode of Nightcap. I know you weren't expecting us on a Wednesday, but we had too much going on in the NFL and around college football in order for Ocho and I not to get on tonight. So here we are. Thank you for joining us. I'm your favorite, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite, number 85. Chad, route runner extraordinaire.
Starting point is 00:02:46 Ocho. Bengals ring of famer. Cinco. Nobody can dance like this man. The entertainer of the decade. Johnson. That's right. That's who he is.
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Starting point is 00:03:52 we had his cigars pinned at the top. The last two shows, you got him out. We're going to bring that back probably Saturday or Sunday. We're going to pin his cigars back to make sure you're showing him some love and support like you've done me from the very beginning. Ocho, let's start with the big news, the bombshell that
Starting point is 00:04:08 happened today. Alabama's coach, the great Nick Saban, who I believe is the greatest college football coach and college football champion in history, six national championships, nine SEC championships, and 17 seasons, a 206-29
Starting point is 00:04:23 record. Let me repeat that again, ladies and gentlemen. In 17 seasons, this man lost 29 games. Since Nick Saban arrived at Alabama, their enrollment has increased. It went from 25,000 to 40,000. That's a 60% jump compared to the 10% national average. This is what Coach Prime said. Wow, college football just lost the goat to retirement.
Starting point is 00:04:48 Wow, I knew it would happen one day, but not this soon. This game has changed so much that it chased the goat away. College football, let's hold up our mirrors and say honestly what you see. I like it. What do you like it? I mean, he spoke nothing but truth. I think he spoke nothing but truth. Nick Saban is probably, you know what? I'm not going What do you like it? I mean, he spoke nothing but truth. I think he spoke nothing but truth.
Starting point is 00:05:06 Nick Saban is probably, you know what? I'm not going to do that. Nick Saban is the greatest collegiate football coach of all time. His record, his resume, it speaks for itself. The players in which he's been able to coach throughout the years, it's unbelievable. Unbelievable. Everybody.
Starting point is 00:05:23 Not to cut you off, Ocho. 44 first-round picks in his tenure, 29 losses. Unbelievable. Everybody. Now to cut you off, Ocho. 44 first round picks in his tenure. 29 losses. Unbelievable. That's unheard of. I think we will never see anything like this probably ever again, especially with one of the reasons
Starting point is 00:05:35 I'm going to bring up in a minute on why I think he probably did retire. I think with the NIL deals, how it's made it very difficult for organizations, not organizations, for schools to compete, because now it becomes a money game. It becomes a booster game. It becomes I'm going to the highest bidder, you know, and it's become a difficult, difficult time, especially for recruiting. And I think Nick Saban really doesn't want anything to do with that.
Starting point is 00:06:03 There was at one point everybody wanted to go to Alabama. Everybody wanted to go to the best school because they were the school to be at. Now it's a money game and it's a different ball game. I don't think Nick Saban doesn't really want to play. Okay. I'm going to pay you. I'm going to pay you. I'm going to pay you just to get you. You want to actually want to come there to play football based on what Alabama stands on and what they stand for. And that's just not the case anymore. It's not, Ocho. It used to be a situation. Let me go.
Starting point is 00:06:35 I want to go to the coach that's going to get me best prepared. Now I'm going to go to the program that's going to give me the most money. We saw that with Jordan Addison at Pitt. He wins the Bolitnikoff Award for Pitt, gets more money he has off the USC. And I think what we're starting to see, Ocho, is that I got to fall in love with the coach. I'm not getting the targets that I think I should get.
Starting point is 00:06:56 I don't have what I need. Okay, let me get into this portal. Okay, what y'all got? Y'all saw me over here. I had 1,500 yards. I had 1,300 yards. I had 1,200 yards over here. That's worth, what, a million, two million dollars?
Starting point is 00:07:07 You heard Matt Rule, the head coach of Nebraska, say a good, great starting quarterback in college is going to cost you one to two million dollars. One to two million. Can you imagine? Just think real quick for me.
Starting point is 00:07:24 Imagine you back in your day at Savannah State. Man, we ain't had no more bread like that. Forget it being an HBCU and forget it not having the money. Just think about you being able to get $1.2 million to play back then
Starting point is 00:07:41 with your skill set. Just imagine. And look here. i tell you what well my brother would have beat me to the punch but i'd have been i'd have had a lot a lot nicer things before i got him and then i tell you what we'd have definitely been we'd have been like the jeffs we'd have moved on up a lot sooner uh granted would have retired a lot sooner than what she was able to retire oh absolutely Ocho I mean but that's that's that's where it is and if you look at it we saw coach K we saw Roy Williams we've seen some of the other coaches get out of it because that's what it's turned into a lot of these guys jumping to the portal I can offer you this we saw Alabama says hey we need our NIL program we need to we need we need to get that up there.
Starting point is 00:08:25 We need $10, $15, $20, $30 million in there because we want to go get some of the best players. And that's what teams are doing because at least in college, Ocho, those guys got tape on them already against college guys. We already know what they are in the classroom as opposed to getting a guy from high school who we think will be good, but we don't know what he's going to be like once he gets into the college environment and get on campus and
Starting point is 00:08:49 things of that nature. So yeah, it's becoming, and I think that had more to do with it. Right. And I think I'm going to need you real quick because you know a little better than me. I don't know much about NIL and how it works as far as the processing goes. Excuse my lack of knowledge on the way it works but is the money coming from the boosters that are part of the part of the schools yeah but it's an image enlightenment okay what image what image they're using you see somebody on the gatorade thing what you see what you see above okay okay that's the hide behind ojo but see you know as
Starting point is 00:09:26 before you got the little briefcase and ain't nobody know about it now you know about it and they said we're using your image and your likeness right okay i i see what you're going i mean when you think when you think about an institution like alabama i mean the boosters should be in in bulk in plentiful so it really shouldn't be a problem as far as a recruiting, excuse me, as far as a recruiting process concerned with attracting, you know, suitors. I'm not sure why. Yeah, but it's hard when you start comparing them jokers to that Texas oil money, that Texas, that Texas A&M. Right. You see, you see, they just gave Jimbo Fisher gave 84 million to get up out of town.
Starting point is 00:10:03 Right. Get up out of town. I mean, don't go for $84 million to get up out of town. Right. Get up out of town. I mean, don't go chofer. Somebody give you $84 million not to coach? Right. Yeah, that's tough. So now, hold on. That's $84 million for him.
Starting point is 00:10:13 What about his staff? You got to pay them. And you got to bring a staff in. And you got to pay them. So you're looking at $100 million, $150 million, maybe even $200 million between the two staffs. And they in the blink of an eye, ain't even think about it. Ain't even bad enough. So they got bread.
Starting point is 00:10:31 That's crazy. You do got bread. Man, you let Sarkeesian win a championship at Texas. And see what man, they build a statue for that man. They hungry for one because they hadn't won one since Vince Young. You know, they were close in the college football playoff. I think in 2008, was it 2008, 2009? 2009
Starting point is 00:10:50 when Colt McCoy lost to Alabama, they lost to Alabama. They got close again. But man, they won it so bad and it seems like the further, since it's been so long, what would they do?
Starting point is 00:11:05 Like Michigan, you got to go back in the last one. They tied in 97. Before that, you got to go back to 48. And as great as Coach Schimbechler was, he never won a national title. Title, yeah. Do you think this hurts the kids? Being able to, I mean, the point of, I'm thinking, the point of going to college, obviously. This is my stepping stool.
Starting point is 00:11:24 This is my stepping stone. This is the pinnacle, the one step before I get to my childhood dream. If you get the money too early, do you think that hurts them as far as the hunger and the drive and the want to and putting in the necessary work to get to the next level if you're already spoiled, getting the cash while you're still in college? You remember I'm a firm believer. Yes, sir. Money doesn't change you.
Starting point is 00:11:51 It makes you more what you already are. So if you're driven, I mean, look at how Peyton Manning grew up. His daddy was the second pick in the draft. He had it. Right, right. You think that changed him? It drove him. He worked harder.
Starting point is 00:12:03 Eli was the same way. So all money does is exacerbate whatever bad habits you have. If you have an eating issue, now you're going to become probably obese. Right. Because you have the money. If you're an alcoholic, now you're going to become full of blown because you have money. You have resources to do what you couldn't do because when you were limited. For me, like I said, I had a brother.
Starting point is 00:12:27 My brother was in the league for two years while I was at Savannah State. Right. Man, I wanted to get there. And you see, here's the thing, Ocho. Once you, there's nothing like, like they say, drug is,
Starting point is 00:12:40 I've heard a lot of people that tried heroin for the very first time. They say what they do is called tracing the dragon. We want that high we felt for the very first time. They say what they do is called tracing the dragon. We want that high we felt for the very first time. Right, right. When my brother gave me $1,000 for, you know, two touchdowns and 100 yards, I wanted that again.
Starting point is 00:12:57 Yeah. And so now I got to go out and try to get two touchdowns, 200 yards and four touchdowns. Right. And so now I'm thinking to myself, I want that for me. I go to his house and he got a three-car garage. He got an upstairs and he got central heating and cooling. He got indoor plumbing.
Starting point is 00:13:14 He got a pool in the backyard. Yeah, Ocho. Wait, what you saying? You say he got indoor plumbing? Man, he got indoor plumbing? Man, I want that. He got a pool in the backyard. He got car in every every carport right man i need that ocho right right i appreciate you bro oh don't thank you now i'm ungrateful but i can be grateful and still desire to have more and have it on my own sometimes people
Starting point is 00:13:38 mistake say oh you're ungrateful no i'm I'm very grateful. I'm very appreciative, but I need this feeling on my own. Yeah. I mean, but see, you're different. You're built different. You cut from a different cloth. A lot of people, a lot of players, when you think about it, when you're at the college level, if you get that kind of money, if you get that kind of money, are you still going to have that same fire up under you? Are you still going to have that same drive, the one to be the best and reach the next level? If you've already got the cushion
Starting point is 00:14:09 that you would get once you made it to the NFL. Listen, I'm all for the players getting NIL money. Obviously because of there should be no reason why they should be going hungry. There should be no reason
Starting point is 00:14:21 why they should not have money to feed themselves, to clothe themselves, to be able to have transportation to and from school, just stuff like that. There've been way too many stories where kids happen to be paid under the table for them to not to be able to get what they deserve. And I just feel just slightly, slightly, it might take away from the fire and the drive and what it takes to want to reach the next level because you get such a huge cushion while you're still in college?
Starting point is 00:14:48 Yeah, I just think the thing is, Ocho, you are what you are with or without money. Right. If you got a good heart and you're broke, when you get money, you'll become very magnanimous. You'll become a benefactor. That's what you are. If you are miserly and you don't
Starting point is 00:15:06 got money, when you get money, you're going to be miserly still because that's who you are. At the end of the day, we are what we repeatedly do. So money doesn't change you. It makes you more of what you already are. I've had a good heart. I've been a good person when I didn't have a dime. My thing was, Ocho, I would go make $30 a week and I'd give my grandmother $10. It wasn't much, but it was something. It could help with something, Granny. That's how I thought. Now when I
Starting point is 00:15:34 got money, I gave more even though she didn't want it. Or my sister or my brother. That's my responsibility now, my kids. And so what I do, what do I tell my kids? Look, I ain't got no problem show me show me just show me that you that you desire to have and i'll help you achieve it now you know this sharp family kiari kayla kaylee this sharp family and me
Starting point is 00:16:01 i said we got room for one lazy mofo. I'm in. I'm in, Ocho. I'm the only lazy mofo here. And I ain't lazy. So I'm not going to let you drag your feet on me. My girlfriend said, you're not going to sit around and drag your feet on me. Right, right, right. You got to do something.
Starting point is 00:16:18 You got to do something. Right. Hey, so that's the way I look at it, Ocho. Yeah, it is. But look at all the money these colleges – how much you think these colleges got for the college football playoffs? And guess what the players got? A T-shirt that said college football playoffs 24.
Starting point is 00:16:34 Yeah. Excuse me. Maybe a what? What they getting out like? They ain't got no more – I think – You get gift bags. You get gift bags.
Starting point is 00:16:43 Yeah. I tell you what. You want to put some money in my gift bag. Put 10. You get gift bags. Yeah. I tell you what, you want to put some money in my gift bag. Put 10 bags in my gift bag. Yeah. And listen, when I saw the numbers,
Starting point is 00:16:51 when I saw the numbers on what the colleges bring in every year, especially during football season, and none of it went to the players. Listen, I was at the forefront. I was at the forefront
Starting point is 00:17:00 of wanting players to have the NIL deals. I love it. I love the idea of just the con, just to me, just the con of it. And even seeing players that are already in the NFL and get their big deals. They would get their big deals and they'd be content. They'd be settled. They're really not the same player no more.
Starting point is 00:17:19 So I'm just thinking to myself, well, damn, what would happen? I think the con, as far as the NIL deal is concerned, is players being content. Okay, I got a nice little cushion. I'm going to just tail off a little bit and just do the bare minimum instead of still having that same hunger and drive and determination
Starting point is 00:17:37 to think about, listen, this ain't enough to get mom out of the situation she's in. This ain't enough to carry me the rest of my life. I mean, you know what I'm trying to say. Yeah, of course. I think the thing, Ocho, for me, I remember when,
Starting point is 00:17:50 like I said, I first got to the NFL, I made 63,000 my first year. I made 73,000 my second year. I went to the Pro Bowl, making 220,000 my third year. I was the first team All-Pro, made 325,000 the next year. First team All-Pro,
Starting point is 00:18:04 led all the tight ends in every statistical category, yards, catches, touchdowns. First team All-Pro, made 325 the next year. First team All-Pro, led all the tight ends in every statistical category, yards, catches, touchdowns. First team All-Pro, my brother and I went to the Pro Bowl, made 325. Got a contract. I said, man, I think I was making, I think they made me like the third or the fourth highest. I said, I ain't satisfied. I said, I want to be the number one.
Starting point is 00:18:22 I'm going to be the highest paid tight end. Yeah. That's what, I said, I want to be the number one. I'm going to be the highest paid tight end. That's what I said. I want to be the highest paid tight end. I ain't worried about what they got. I think Keith Jackson, I mean, there are a couple of guys that made more money. I said, okay, I'm going to be the highest paid.
Starting point is 00:18:35 I'm going to be the highest paid. I said, that's what I got. So now, my thought process, my thought process, Ocho, I'm going to say I want the national media in Denver to say, Shannon Sharpe's underpaid. That's what I want them to say. That's how I'm going to say, I want the national media in Denver to say, Shannon Sharpe's underpaid. That's what I want them to say. That's how I'm going to go get it.
Starting point is 00:18:52 You're going to say, that man, he the fourth highest paid tight end, and he underpaid. Come back to, one time. But it was like, when I redid, I've never ever got a contract extension. One time. One time. Going into my, it was 93 but it was like like maybe like a month before the season was over i just needed some money but ultra like you'd be joking like child support yeah man baby mama debate it's like them lawyer fees were going up
Starting point is 00:19:20 and that 325 wasn't gonna cut it so i went here i was a bad deal because i should have just i could have just waited. Y'all should have came to me before the season. But they didn't know. They thought that was an anomaly. They thought that was an outlier that I went to the Pro Bowl my third year. And now Coach Reeves is gone. We got Wade Phillips in.
Starting point is 00:19:36 So they didn't think I was going to be what I became in 93. But, you know, hey, them child support payments, man, 325, you don't get $300,000 and you got three kids bro hey I say go and give me that money so I can get that heat up off me yeah okay I see I got three kids I got a house
Starting point is 00:19:56 I gotta send money for I gotta send money for my my grandmother my sister my mom yeah I had to get I had to get that I said but that's okay that's a whole nother ball game there too that's a whole nother ball game there too that's a whole nother story bro yeah a lot of fellas
Starting point is 00:20:08 going through that too a lot of fellas going through that and I don't mean to change the topic this fast boy you know how many of in today's game right now yeah it hit me boy how did you do this
Starting point is 00:20:22 how were you able to juggle and maneuver in this way because I know you got so and so and you able to juggle and maneuver in this way because i know you got so and so and you're able to do it i ain't never seen no you ain't had no really had no problem like that man what did you do but like i'm trying to boy you need well you better go make home straight boy yeah you better they will make your life a living hell why are you trying to play ball go make that shit right oh go make that shit right yeah are you Go make that shit right. Yeah. Hey, let me tell you how I did it. You ain't got to be with him, but you got to make that shit right.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Oh, Joe. Let me tell you how your boy did it. Yes, sir. He had your boy eating ketchup with a knitting needle. What? Yeah, I sacrificed a lot of shit. I'm eating egg whites. I'm eating tuna out of the can.
Starting point is 00:21:01 You serious? Yeah, I'm going to say, you damn right. I got to pay child support. I got three kids. And I got a house that I spent $200,000 more than what my agent told me I should. Right, right, right.
Starting point is 00:21:15 But that's okay. But that's okay. I got a $600,000 house. I got a bed, one TV, and a couch. That's all I got. You good.
Starting point is 00:21:26 And I know a lot of people want to see me fail. Yeah, he got all them kids. Yeah, he ain't gonna make it. I said, I'm gonna show you. I said, because what you don't understand, my desire to be great is greater than your desire for me not to be. Right.
Starting point is 00:21:40 So that's how I look at it. And it was no thing. I said said i remember every time i tell my grandma i said granny you know hey your baby messed up again she said hey take care of them kids yeah take care of them kids take care that's all she said now i knew she was upset because she didn't raise me like that right that's on me i eat that but hey i got to get it don't you so you know what i'm gonna deny myself'm going to eat egg whites. I'm going to eat oatmeal. Ain't no nice. Ain't no chicken. I didn't even eat chicken.
Starting point is 00:22:09 I'm eating tuna out of the can. I'm going to Sam's Club and I'm buying three, four, six packs of tuna. Egg whites. I'm buying egg whites. I'm talking about like 50. 50 in a big old, big old, big old thing like this here. I said, but it's okay. Oatmeal. That's what I'm talking about like 50 50 in a in a big old big old big old uh thing like this here
Starting point is 00:22:25 I said but it's okay yeah oatmeal that's what I'm eating Ocho so I denied myself I ain't going on no vacation that's probably what got me out of the vacation thing Ocho because I saw that I wasn't going and I didn't feel like I was missing something or I felt like if I go this might be someone's advantage of getting ahead of me. Right. So for me, oh, I had to get that thing. Oh, Joe, because all I saw, because I know I heard it. But my homeboy would call me, Buck would call me.
Starting point is 00:22:53 The homeboy, man, they talk. I said, homeboy, I got this. I said, I got this. I said, Mary Porter raised. I said, she raised me for this moment. Yes, sir. I said, do you know where I came from? I said, I'm in the catbird seat. I said from? I said, I'm in the catbird seat.
Starting point is 00:23:07 I said, little do they know I'm in the catbird seat. Right, right. Because the first 20 years, I said, these next 20 going to be a breeze because I wasn't supposed to be in this chair. In the first place. No. No. So once I got up on, once I got going, oh, Joe, man, that's what I'm saying. You have to be careful of what you're motivated by because it's addictive. Just like, you know, an addict, whether it's alcohol, whether it's drugs,
Starting point is 00:23:31 whether it's gambling, whether it's women, mine was success. That's what my drug was, success. And the more I got it, the more I craved it, the more I desired, the more I needed it. And I denied some good people in my life, but I'm not here to apologize for that. Right. Because without that, I'm not here, and they're not where they are. But Ocho, man, I'm telling you, Ocho, but see, people don't understand.
Starting point is 00:23:58 See, people don't understand my mindset. And when you hear me say stuff, and they say, Shannon, why are you so like Jameis? I say, you got to understand, Jameis is the backup quarterback. He doesn't have that kind of cachet. Tom Brady makes that call, but see, Tom Brady would never done that. Peyton Manning would have never done
Starting point is 00:24:12 that. Just think of you openly defy your coach. Just imagine I see all you guys that's talking ESPN or Fox or one of these networks tell you not to go on air and say something that you said in production meeting and you go on air and say it that you said in production meeting and you go on air and say it anyway what do you think is going to happen
Starting point is 00:24:27 you already know what's going to happen yeah he did that because oh they don't that's why you got to let Dennis Allen go because he lost control of the locker room any coach that the players respect they would have never done that to they've lost respect for him see now
Starting point is 00:24:43 see I'll do it if I don't that... See, I'll do it. If I don't respect you, Ocho, I'll do anything I want to you. Right. Yeah, I feel you. And what I like most about your story and the people that listen, Chad, make sure you listen to what Unc said, man. He was striving for success.
Starting point is 00:24:57 But think about the sacrifice it took. All the stuff in between that didn't lead up to reaching his end goal, he wasn't doing none of that. He wasn't doing that. And I think that's the difference today. In today's world, today's society, everybody want a quick fix. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:13 They want to find a loophole. They want to take the shortcut in thinking the shortcut is going to lead to success. Success is a long road. Yeah. It's a long road. It takes time. There's a process to it. And in between that process
Starting point is 00:25:25 and the steps in which it takes to get to that point of reaching the pinnacle of success, it takes sacrifice. You got to. Sometimes your homeboys call you. Sometimes your homegirls call you. Man, sometimes you got to say no. Sometimes you got to say no. When they get upset,
Starting point is 00:25:42 they make you friends. They make you friends. Do people realize that it's France no they make it to France okay do you do people realize that it's less crowded on the road to success oh man than the road
Starting point is 00:25:52 to mediocrity if you think of the bumpiest ride on a plane is what when you take it off once you get up to that what did Apollo say he's going to get up
Starting point is 00:26:00 to a comfortable cruising altitude 32,000 feet above all that turbulence. Yeah. And if it's turbulence there, what they do? They go a little higher.
Starting point is 00:26:09 Yeah. You see what that... Now, when people... When they want to be average and mediocre, that's crowded. Yeah. So many people just want to be
Starting point is 00:26:18 average and mediocre. It's crowded. Go be great. It ain't crowded up there. Yeah. Because everybody wanted easy crowded up there. Yeah. Because everybody wanted easy, Ocho. Everybody wanted success. Work.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Only in the dictionary does success come before work. Yeah, most definitely. And you know what the funny thing? In today's world, what people do is they skip the work part, but they put on the clothes and drive the cars. Right. Oh, fake it till you make it. And look like you already made it. Oh, fake it till you make it.
Starting point is 00:26:56 Yeah, without putting the work in. Man. No, I'm going to make it. Ain't no faking. No, what you see is what you get. This is it. Hey, this is it. Ain't nothing fake on me. Okay, I got is what you get. This is it. Hey, this is it. Ain't nothing fake on me.
Starting point is 00:27:07 Okay, I got some, you know. You know, I got a little fake, but hey, this here real. This here, this a Georgia boy. Yeah. Through and through. I'm about it. Yeah. That's it, Ochoa.
Starting point is 00:27:22 I mean, I just wish to get back on track. Yeah, because we were talking about the college kids. Yeah, my bad, my bad, my bad. No, no, no, no. We're good. We're good. This is our show. We talk about what the hell we want to talk about. This is our show. We got a script, but we're not we don't have to adhere to linear television. OK, we got to rap. No, no, no. We talk as long as we want to on a subject as long as we want to. We can go back. So that's the luxury that we have and that's why we did what we did on our way. This is our channel. This is
Starting point is 00:27:52 9cap. I got no joke. This is our issue. So we go as long as we want to as short as we want to on a given topic. Let's go back. Pete Carroll is out as head coach of Seattle. Pete Carroll tenure 137, 89 and 1. 10 playoff appearances in 14 seasons. A Super Bowl championship. Pete Carroll was out as head coach of Seattle. Pete Carroll tenure, 137, 89 and one. 10 playoff appearances in 14 seasons, a Super Bowl championship.
Starting point is 00:28:08 Pete Carroll was very grateful and appreciative during his presser today, but he made it pretty clear that he tried to stay on as Seattle's head coach. He declined to get into detail as to what happened with ownership. Asked about going elsewhere. Well, we'll have to wait and see.
Starting point is 00:28:21 Today is today. Moving to an advisory role has been the respectful way of moving off someone that's helped the organization. The Broncos did the same with John Elway. Ocho,
Starting point is 00:28:35 this is why. Had he run the ball with Marshawn Lynch. Man, talk to me now. We look at Pete Carroll. We look at that Legion of Boom totally different. Sherb and Earl and Bennett and Chance and Russ. Beastmode.
Starting point is 00:28:56 They're supposed to be a two-time champ. Yeah, easily. They're supposed to be a two-time champ. Easily a two-time champ. And let me ask you a question. To go back on what you just said about disrespecting your head coach and not having respect for him making the call as Russell Wilson and with great understanding in the situation you're in in the scenario in and you know you're
Starting point is 00:29:19 on the one and you have B Smoe who is having a good game. Right. You're on the one-yard line. Right. And Pete Carroll, whoever's calling the offensive plays, calls a pass play with a switch route, switch release on the goddamn goal line. Why not take it amongst yourself to change the play and run the ball with Marshawn? Maybe. Is that defiant or disrespectful to you? As similar in the same case,
Starting point is 00:29:47 I know it's apples and oranges in what I'm talking about. I'm just saying because that's the Super Bowl on the line. Right. And you changing that play, I will bet my bottom dollar and I bet my house
Starting point is 00:29:58 that you run that dive with Marshawn Lynch, he getting that one yard to win that game. Well, I'm going to run until he does. I think the thing is, Ocho, the question is, did Russ feel like he had the power to audible out of that play? Peyton Manning has the power.
Starting point is 00:30:16 Drew Brees has the power. Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady has the power. Does Russ, did they empower him? Because I remember a situation, we were in kansas city and it was like fourth and one it was fourth and one we were probably like the 30 yard line right and i remember john uh mike called a time out and mike was going to go for it and john said no mike don't go for it let's punt the ball let's make them beat us right knowing marty the way he's
Starting point is 00:30:44 playing he's playing it like this. No, we're not going to give him anything cheap. Let's put the ball. Mike sent the punt team in. We won the ball game 14-10. Okay. So in a situation like that, now let's just say for the sake of argument, the game is 14-13.
Starting point is 00:30:59 Now instead of trying to throw the ball into the end zone, they need a field goal to kick a field goal to beat us. Right. So in that situation for zone, they need a field goal. They kick a field goal. They beat us. Right. So in that situation, for me, I don't know why. And I understand, if I'm not mistaken, I think the Patriots brought a 53 defense in. Five down, three linebackers. I don't care.
Starting point is 00:31:22 That's the thing that you always talk about, letting somebody dictate what you're going to do. Yeah, I hate that. I hate that. So, in other words, and Steph's like, we're going to throw it. They got them five. They got them bigs on the field. We're going to throw the ball.
Starting point is 00:31:34 But once you see Brandon Brown in the slot and you see him in the press, it's going to be hard as hell because he's standing right there in front of you. Yeah. He's standing right there in front of you. If. He's standing right there in front of you. If he gets his hands on you, there's no way. It's a wrap. Because what's going to happen,
Starting point is 00:31:51 you're going to force the guy to come even flatter, and now you give Malcolm Butler a beeline to come get you. I'm a little surprised by this move. I don't think anybody saw this coming. I don't think anybody saw this move coming. But it was never the same. I remember you go back and look at my podcast.
Starting point is 00:32:10 I did this. I think that was a 2014. That was 2014? What year was that? 2014, Super Bowl? Yeah, 2014. Yeah. Go back and look.
Starting point is 00:32:20 I said it. I said it's never the same. I said it's over. You might as well break this up right now. I said that team will never look's never the same. I said it's over. You might as well break this up right now. I said that team will never look at Pete the same. Yeah. Because it's the one time
Starting point is 00:32:28 that the team is going to look at the head coach and say, you cost us this. And let the players decide the game on the field. Yeah. And we always,
Starting point is 00:32:37 we talk about this, Ocho. Hey, coaches, sometimes coaches get in their own way because they want to think, I'm a genius. I'm so smart. We're going to do this.
Starting point is 00:32:44 No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. Overthinking. Let your players decide the outcome of it. Put them in the best situation. Mm-hmm. And they'll do what they need to do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:55 Listen, I always say the game of football, you don't have to complicate it. It's X's and O's. And I compare it to chess sometimes. I compare it to the game of chess. Your pieces against my pieces. I'm going to put my pieces in the best position to win. Even if your pieces are a little better, more skillful, I'm going to scheme it to where my pieces have an advantage. And I'm going to try to checkmate you each and every time all the way down the field. I think the checkmate for the 2014 Seattle Seahawks on the goal line, don't complicate it.
Starting point is 00:33:32 Even if they have a 53 defense in there, give the ball to Marshawn Lynch. Yes. Man, oh man, I guarantee you they have two Super Bowl rings right now. Ocho, but if you remember, right before the half, what did they do? They threw the ball, they had no timeouts, and they got a touchdown.
Starting point is 00:33:49 So you're feeling good about yourself, Ocho. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? You start to feel good. Like, I got away with one. I get me another one. Hey, get out your own way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:34:00 Get out your own way. But Pete Carroll is out. It's going to be interesting the direction that they go to go in. Jody Allen. I think that's the name. Jody. Jody Allen. She's the sister of Paul Allen, Microsoft guy. He passed away, left everything to her. And she's like, you know, I want to move in a different direction. But this team was supposed to have two championships.
Starting point is 00:34:26 This team would have been thought of a lot different had they had multiple championships the great a lot of teams have won one in a row if you want to be special and be remembered you got to repeat and it's hard very hard i mean you go back to packers in the 60s. The Steelers did it back-to-back. I think, what, 74, 75, or 76, 77? No, 75, 76, 74, 75, and then they did it again in 78, 79, if I'm not mistaken. There's a six-year period, but they won four titles. 78, 79, and I think 74, 75.
Starting point is 00:35:16 I mean, I'm just spitballing that, but Ash said I was correct. But it's hard, Ocho. You go to the 49ers in the 80s, the Cowboys in the 90s. We did it in the 90s. You got the Patriots did it. They won back-to-back. It's hard because what happens, Ocho?
Starting point is 00:35:32 You good. You're free agents. Everybody come raid them. If you got chickens that lay golden eggs, guess what? I'm coming to rob. I'm coming to steal it. Guys want bigger payday. I tell guys, if you win a Super Bowl, hey, man, look here, go get that payday. You can't eat the rings now.
Starting point is 00:35:47 I mean, they nice to have. They nice to look good in your safety deposit box and look at like, ooh, look at that knife. But,
Starting point is 00:35:52 I like to look my, hey, I have my sister, pull up my breaker cap, let me see that. That look nice. Yeah. That's what makes it
Starting point is 00:36:01 so much difficult. You think about the Rams winning the Super Bowl or, let me think, Patriots winning the Super Bowl or, let me think, Patriots winning the Super Bowl. The pieces, the pieces always change. The pieces of the puzzle always change.
Starting point is 00:36:11 So I think that's what makes it so much more difficult to repeat because you want to keep your team together. The more players you can keep, as far as that have won the Super Bowl with experience, veteran experience, bringing some new people through the draft, it's so goddamn hard because once you win,
Starting point is 00:36:28 shoot, man, I'm trying to get paid, man. I'm trying to get paid. Ocho, this is what I've learned. And I've been on two teams that won championships. I won 97-98,
Starting point is 00:36:40 skipped 99, won 2,000 with the Ravens. The thing that you have to be careful of when you win the Super Bowl, everybody starts to believe they're the reason why. Oh. Everybody starts to want more credit than they deserve. See, the grounds crew said, you know what?
Starting point is 00:36:55 You won because the way we cut the grass. The people in the cafeteria said you won because the way we prepared the food. And the people that vacuumed and did the floors and did the laundry, it was was because of us and the videographer said it was because the way we cut the tape and then so everybody starts to think you didn't think like that before we won right but now that we won now see for me I was always look I understood John TD it was a pie let's just say the team was a pie TD and John was going to get the biggest slice even if it wasn't number crumbs that's something that was more
Starting point is 00:37:32 than we were going to get had we not won see people don't look at it like that Ocho see I look at it like this what was we going to get had we not won was I going to get these opportunities no because everybody likes a champion everybody likes a winner so now I'm getting something that had we not won, I wouldn't have got. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:49 People always complain about, well, I ain't get this. I ain't get enough. Enough? Something. 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing. Nothing. Yeah. You know, a lot of times, Ocho, people like to be, I'm the king of nothing.
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Starting point is 00:41:46 went 9-8 they could have been better they were doing well in the beginning of the season and then in as well as they thought it should have obviously so
Starting point is 00:41:54 they felt they need to go in a different direction right Mike Rabel Will Levis first year as a starter or starting I mean you you would think you would give them a little bit more
Starting point is 00:42:06 time, you know, to sink and gel with Will, but they decide they're going in a different direction too. Yeah, Ocho. Man, look here, man. Ocho, that's why it's so hard. When you got in the league,
Starting point is 00:42:22 Ocho, basically, they would... I remember Carson didn't start it. Think about it. Imagine a number one overall draft pick not starting. Carson did not start. John Kitna did. John, John Kitna, yeah.
Starting point is 00:42:35 Oh, John. That's unheard of. Yeah. To think a kid drafted in the first round that high is not going to start. Whoa, first pick, man. Thank you. So, what is that? So, now, O Whoa, first pick, man. Thank you. So what is that? So now, Ocho, I got to three you and win.
Starting point is 00:42:49 I got to make a decision because now I got to pay a guy $200 million, a quarter of a billion. Now, probably in another two years, the going rate for a quarterback is going to be $300 million. Well, you got to be that boy to get $300 million now. Look here. Daniel Jones got $160 million, and got to be that boy to get 300 mil now. Look here. Daniel Jones got 160. He ain't that nothing.
Starting point is 00:43:09 The timing was perfect. You see what happened though, Joe? They had nowhere else to go. Yeah, you're right. I see where you're going. Now, we got free agency because, okay, this is the trade-off. The NFL says, you know what, man? We got Sam Bradford to make it. Sam Bradford is the trade-off. Right. The NFL says, you know what, man?
Starting point is 00:43:25 We got Sam Bradford to make it. Sam Bradford is the highest-paid quarterback of the league. He ain't through NFL football yet. So they went back, put the rookies on a scale. Right. But the trade-off was, okay, team, you can't do anything for the first three years. Then after that, boom.
Starting point is 00:43:45 Yeah. Now, if you good, if you good, if you that boy, or if you are a franchise changing quarterback, and you're going there doing shit like C.J. Stroud,
Starting point is 00:43:56 man, shit, C.J. C.J. might be the one to get that $300 million. There it is. C.J. might be the one to get that $300 million because he's coming up what, 2027 or 2026?
Starting point is 00:44:09 2026. You're going to get 24, 25, 25. Coming into 27, break bread. Man, 300 plus. See, they strive. I said it here first, man. Let me get 2%. How much, boy? 23, 24, one
Starting point is 00:44:23 year. 4, 5, two years five six so in it yeah hey after that third year oh joe yeah they're gonna have to see it yeah at the at the end of 26 27 so the thing is so the thing is oh joe you sped up the process in which i have to evaluate it right and and because of free agency you can't just see you can't just because before i'll just think about it just to think about the steelers how you're going to keep if there's free agency how do you keep joe green defensive player of the year male blunt defensive player of the year jack lambert defensive player of the year how do you keep all them and you got jack ham and you got donnie shell and you got Franco, Terry Bradshaw,
Starting point is 00:45:05 Lance Swan, Mike Webster, John Starworth. How you keep all them, Ocho? You can't. You can't. The only way you can, there's no free agency. So you got 10 Hall of Famers
Starting point is 00:45:17 that basically played their entire career. Now, Mike Webster did end up going to Kansas City. He was in Kansas City my rookie year. Jack is all get out. I mean, he was, whoo! I remember like, because it's funny, Ocho, you know, I got into the league
Starting point is 00:45:29 and I'm seeing all these guys that, I mean, Mike Webster, Joe Ferguson that used to hand the ball off to OJ. I'm like, damn y'all! I'm talking about they in the 70s and here it is the 90s, Ocho. And I'm looking at them. I see Jay Wrights. I see Jay Wright. I see
Starting point is 00:45:45 Joe Montana. I'm like, oh, man, that's cool. That's how I was when I first made it, too. That's how I was. That was a great feeling. That was a funny feeling, man. Seeing the people you used to watch growing up as a kid,
Starting point is 00:46:01 and all of a sudden, you're right there on the field with them. And remember, the Bucs did the same thing with Bruce Arians. Oh, the advisory thing? Send him upstairs? Yes. Go ahead, Ocho. That's all I was saying?
Starting point is 00:46:20 How they send Bruce upstairs? Are they doing Pete Carroll the same way? Is Bruce Ariansans is he still with the Bucks upstairs in their advisory role yes he hasn't been visible at all no what do you think what's the most attractive
Starting point is 00:46:36 coaching gig is it the Seahawks the Falcons the Chargers the Commanders Raiders Titans Patriots or Panthers that's easy That's easy. That's easy for me. Chad, I know you're going to agree with me. If you know the game of football, I think when you look at it with the teams you name,
Starting point is 00:46:53 the teams have pieces. The Falcons have pieces. You know, Pitts, B. John Robinson, Jesse Bates, Drake London. You look at the Raiders, they have nice pieces devante adams yeah josh jacobs josh jacobs they got crosby on the defensive side you look at it you look at the titans uh d hop wasn't on the one year right do you have one year okay well there's probably gonna be going he's gonna leave so that's that's that's really not favorable. You look at the Patriots, I mean, what you working with? Talk to me.
Starting point is 00:47:27 No. Okay, exactly. Panthers, you have Bryce Young. You have a lot of work you need to do. You got a lot of work you need to do. Offensive line, you need some receivers. You need a little bit of everything. Commanders, ugh.
Starting point is 00:47:39 I mean, listen, unbelievable wide receiver trio. Curtis Samuel, Terry McLaurin, Jahan Dotson, that's great. What are you going to do with your quarterback situation? Oh, they're going to the quarterback. They're taking the quarterback at the first. They're taking the quarterback with that. I think they're the third or the fourth pick. They're taking the quarterback.
Starting point is 00:47:55 Ain't going to be no quarterback at the third pick. Oh, you know what? Marvin Harrison Jr. going second, so you probably are right. They probably get Drake May. They probably get Drake May unless somebody overleaps or overlaps him. So the best team that has the most pieces to work with, where it's like, I'm not calling the Warriors. I'm not calling the Warriors. But when Steve Kerr took over Mark Jackson with the Warriors back in the day because he had so much talent around him.
Starting point is 00:48:21 The goddamn Chargers got so much talent offensively, so much talent defensively. I don't know who is going to come in the Coastal Chargers defensively, but you got to be looking at your chops. You got to be looking at your chops, which you got to work with over with the Chargers. Man, they just got to be able to keep Mike Williams healthy for whatever reason. Big, strong,
Starting point is 00:48:40 physical, can hop on the football. He can stay healthy. Oh, Joe. He's nice. He can stay healthy. Oh, Joe. He's nice. He's nice. Keenan. Keenan was having a great season. I think he ended up getting nicked and missed a couple of games
Starting point is 00:48:51 at the end of the season. You got Justin Herbert. Justin Herbert's going to have to find a way to win these close games. I'm tired of all this talent. I mean, yeah, he's super immensely talented. Talented in the attributes that you can see. Big time arm. Change arm angle.
Starting point is 00:49:04 Roll outside of the pocket. Control from different arm angles. Control, yeah, left to right. But, okay. I need to see what's in here. I need to get, hey, when the rubber needs to meet the road, I need you to make it happen for me, bro. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. So, I think they're going to probably, they need a bigger
Starting point is 00:49:20 back. I mean, I like... You know, like, Austin Eckler was on a... He's more of a utility back. Right, right, right. Like Darren Sproles a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I agree with you.
Starting point is 00:49:36 But like I said, if I'm Justin Fields, I say, bro, Atlanta, come get your boy. Atlanta? Atlanta, come get Justin Fields. Yeah, that'd be nice. On that track? That'd be nice. On that track? The fans in Chicago were chanting Fields,
Starting point is 00:49:52 Fields, Fields, Fields. Yeah, they chanted that at the end of this year, but they was also chanting what you heard when they were saying the year before last, the year before that. So they got, I mean, the Chicago fans, I know it get cold up there and maybe it's going to throw some of y'all mind. But we know what you were saying before, too.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Right. So you think it's time for Fields to move on? I would. You think the best destination for him would be? Atlanta. Would be Atlanta. Mike Vick 2.0. He's from the area.
Starting point is 00:50:21 Oh, I didn't know that. Mm-hmm. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. I mean, they just, they got Desmond Ritter. They just drafted Desmond Ritter. Desmond Ritter ain't nothing because Ocho, he turned the ball over entirely too much. Entirely too much, Ocho. Damn. But he not even in year
Starting point is 00:50:35 three yet though, huh? Yeah, Ocho. You giving up on him already? For Justin Fields? Okay. I see where you're going with it. Yeah, man, please. I see where you're going with it. Yeah, man, please. I see where you're going with it. Okay. Yeah, but I mean, that's a no-brainer as far as
Starting point is 00:50:49 which is the most attractive team for coaches. I mean, hell, Bill Belichick, I think, I'm thinking about Bill Belichick. Bill Belichick should go to Alabama. Nah. Nah. Nah. I think his philosophy and way of coaching won't
Starting point is 00:51:07 resonate with these young kids in this era. Hell it don't seem like it's a way of coaching to resonate with this NFL team since Tom Brady left home because you heard what Amendola said Amendola said we work for Belichick we play for Tommy
Starting point is 00:51:21 oh shit I didn't hear that quote. Julian Edelman said, we worked for Coach Belichick. We played for Brady. That was nice. That's a good one. I like that. That's a good one. Hey, can I smoke while I'm on the show?
Starting point is 00:51:38 Yeah, that's your house. Okay, I'm just asking. I don't need to try not. Nah. Raiders, the Patriots. I mean, the Patri I don't need to try to... No. Raiders, Patriots. I mean, the Patriots don't have enough
Starting point is 00:51:48 offensive pieces for me. The defense, but here's the thing. Defense is great. Defense is great, but how far are you going to get with a defense and not having no offense?
Starting point is 00:51:59 Judon got hurt, so he'll come. Judon got hurt. He'll be back. Gonzalez, that DB, that he took the first round, he looked good. Hey, got hurt. He'll be back. Gonzalez, that DB, they took it the first round. He looked good.
Starting point is 00:52:08 Hey, that's the one from UW, right? He from UW, University of Washington? Or I got the wrong story. Oregon. Was he from Washington or Oregon? Gonzalez. It's one of them. It's Pac-12. I think it's Oregon.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Yeah, he was nice. Boy, he the real deal. He nice. He showed injury. Yeah. Showed injury. I was watching him. I was watching him real close. He's from the D deal. He nice. He showed injury. Yeah. Showed injury. I was watching him. I was watching him real close.
Starting point is 00:52:28 He's from the Ducks. He is Oregon? Okay, okay, okay. He nice. Yeah. Amendola said, did I say, I thought I said Edelman.
Starting point is 00:52:37 I said Edelman. Amendola said it. Excuse me. Oh, Amendola? Okay, okay. Amendola said it. Oh, man. That's crazy.
Starting point is 00:52:47 I don't know if what you call... They got some defensive pieces. I like Harold Landry. I like Jeffrey Simons. They got some nice pieces defensively. Jeffrey Simmons is still there,
Starting point is 00:52:57 right? Yeah. He's still there, yeah. Harold Landry? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think Landry got hurt.
Starting point is 00:53:03 Did Landry get hurt? Simmons, Jeffrey Simmons he nice he pronounced it Simmons or Simons Simmons Jeffrey Simmons yeah he nice he nice I like him a lot uh
Starting point is 00:53:21 Titans do you believe in Will Levis yeah I like him now that's the mother that that that joke there Titans. Do you believe in Will Levis? Yeah, I like him. Now, that's some other... That joker there? Well, he got an arm. He got an arm. He spelled his name like Levi's.
Starting point is 00:53:36 Will Levis, yeah. He got an arm. I mean, he can make all the throws. When I think about it, I think of more mobile than Roethlisberger. Does that make sense? Yeah. More mobile,
Starting point is 00:53:49 he can make all the throws. Left hash, right hash. He can do all that. Now, all you got to do is get him something to throw to. You had DeHop. DeHop had a decent season.
Starting point is 00:53:59 You got to get him some animals over there. You got to get him some animals or some dogs and he going to be all right. Yeah. So, we'll see what happens. The NFLPA releases
Starting point is 00:54:08 their second player all-pro team. Kelsey was a tight end. I disagree with this. I think everybody knows what I think of my nephew. But Kittle had a better year. Kittle was the only one that had 1,000 yards this year at the tight end position. I mean, honestly, Kittle had a better year. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Kittle was the only one that had 1,000 yards this year at the tight end position.
Starting point is 00:54:26 I mean, honestly, Kittle or Laporta. Laporta was on fire. He got hurt too, though, right? Yes. Yeah, he got hurt. He got hurt. Yeah. And then you had, for the defensive side,
Starting point is 00:54:39 George Kittle had 65 receptions, 1,020, averaged 15.7, and six touchdowns on 90 targets. Travis Kelsey had 121 targets, 93 receptions, 984 yards. Kudos to Kelsey because he broke a streak. I think he had like eight consecutive thousand-yard seasons.
Starting point is 00:54:59 He only needed 16 yards. They ain't even playing. They ain't even playing. He didn't play. But Sam Laporta had 86 catches, 889 yards, and 10 touchdowns. So for me, Evan Ingram had 114 catches, 963.
Starting point is 00:55:12 But for me, George Kittle should have been for the players. But let me know what you think about this. And for the outside, for the edge rushers, Miles Garrett and Crosby, Max Crosby, double X, Max, were the edge rushers over Micah and TJ. Right, and TJ Watt.
Starting point is 00:55:34 What do you think the metrics were in deciding who to pick? Because obviously it wasn't stat-based. Yeah. Obviously it wasn't stat-based. So exactly what metric system did they use to pick those two over T.J. Watt who led the league in sacks?
Starting point is 00:55:48 I'm sure there had to be something else that they used to decide on who to pick. And that's nothing against Miles Garrett, real deal. Nothing against Max Crosby,
Starting point is 00:55:57 excuse me, young bull got a motor. Yeah, man. Young bull got a motor and never stopped. Yeah, man. This can't be statistically based on how they chose
Starting point is 00:56:07 who to pick. So I'm just sure what metrics they used to pick those two. It was kind of like the Pro Bowl. You can't vote for yourself. You can't vote for your own team. But centers can vote for centers and who you played against. So if I'm
Starting point is 00:56:24 a center, I can vote for if I'm Creed Humphrey, I can vote for sinners and who you played against. So if I'm a sinner, I can vote for... If I'm Creed Humphrey, I can vote for Linderbaum at Baltimore. And for the DTs or the nose tackles, say I got Simmons or I'm voting for Aaron Donald or whomever, you know what I'm saying? So that's how it went. So it seems to me tight ends said that Cros and garrett and guys that play the edge says we think those guys are better now i'm looking at um t.j watt had 19 sacks 19 tackles for losses eight pass defense one interception four fourth
Starting point is 00:57:01 fumbles three fumble recovery recovery and a defensive touchdown he's the only guy that made the list of josh allen i think he's at uh jacksonville allen hendrickson khalil mac danelle hunter max crosby michael parsons miles garrett he's the only guy of that group that recorded a defensive touchdown he had the most fumble recoveries he was one uh uh uh forced fumble behind Khalil Mack. But it just, look, and I don't think Michael made it last year. I don't think, and he's probably scratching his head like, well, hold on, wait a minute, fellas.
Starting point is 00:57:34 What's really going on? Yeah. Ain't no telling. What you think going on? You know, I have no idea. I'm not sure. That's why I said, what metrics do they use to decide on who to put there first as opposed to, you know, you always told me numbers matter. Numbers matter.
Starting point is 00:57:54 So if numbers matter and stats matter, then T.J. Watt would definitely be first. And then after that, hell, Trey Henderson was right behind him when it comes to sacks. So why wasn't he mentioned? Right. Don't know him. So I'm just curious. I don't want to say it's a it's a it's a favoritism contest. I don't want to say it's a popularity contest.
Starting point is 00:58:14 If you're going to do it, you have to have some consistency with it. Right. On why you pick these players. I agree. I agree. I agree. But I'm sure it means a little more to you. Because these are players that you play against, because, you know, the Pro Bowl is players, it's coaches and it's the fans. Right. So anytime your peers, those are the guys that you fight against. And so you think I'm a hell raiser. I like that. I like that.
Starting point is 00:58:42 Right. But I mean, the like that. But, I mean, the list up here, like I said, I only got problems. I think George Kittle deserved to be the tight end. But, here's the thing, Ocho. When you put somebody on, you have to take somebody off. So, if you put Micah on,
Starting point is 00:59:02 you're taking Miles Garrett off, or you're taking Max Crosby off. And that's the problem when they've all played well. Yes. So then you just put the person who is really at the top statistically. So there's no problems. You can't argue it. Then T.J. Watt should be the guy.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Right. And I think T.J. Watt missed a couple of games too, didn't he? I know he got injured the last game, but like I said, my biggest gripe is with the tight end. And that's not a knock on Kelsey because I think he's phenomenal. But this year,
Starting point is 00:59:36 Kittle should have been the all-pro because he catched the ball, he's tremendous run after catch, and he amassed in the run game. He's a second out the catch. And he a monster in the run game. He's a second offensive. He's a second offensive lineman. Oh, yeah. Oh, I mean, he pancake.
Starting point is 00:59:50 He pancaking folk. Oh, yeah. He handle his own D. Ends linebackers save these corners. Oh, he's an animal. You're an animal in the run game. Yeah. Jerry golf.
Starting point is 01:00:04 Jerry golf said chip would never leave me from the rams trade kelly stafford responds like to the lions fan page stafford jersey band on ig well manager manager manager for what for what kelly said um i've met her um what did i go I think I went to the NFC Championship game and I was up there and I got an opportunity to meet her so she's lovely, great she does
Starting point is 01:00:33 she watches Nightcap sometimes, I know she does well this is sad because it's the completely opposite of how I feel about this city but Matthew has always been a bigger person and will continue to be that praying for an incredible game with zero injuries. So,
Starting point is 01:00:49 oh, man. So, they posted, Ocho, I don't know if you can... Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. Come on, Ocho, really? Yeah. Man, listen, it's fans. There ain't no fans? Who did that?
Starting point is 01:01:06 Probably ain't even no real fans. Oh, okay. The fan club, the biggest Lions fan club. You know how they feel. Yeah. You know how they feel. And that's fine.
Starting point is 01:01:16 That's fine. That's okay. That's great. That's how you feel about me. It don't matter. Right. I'm still going to do what I do. Go out there and handle your business.
Starting point is 01:01:25 Because then you can't do nothing about that. And you know, they only love you when you're part of them. When you go about your business, it's a different ballgame. That's just the nature of the business.
Starting point is 01:01:34 No, that ain't true, Ocho. For me, I mean, I got... Well, you know what I mean. That's not true because every fan base loves me. But some it is now. Some it is. I mean, because when I came back
Starting point is 01:01:44 to Denver, they gave me love. When I went back to Baltimore, they gave me love. Now, I'm not a quarterback, and maybe it's a quarterback, maybe it's different. But they always gave, they showed me love. Baltimore and Bronco country gave me love. So I ain't got nothing but respect for the fans in both of those cities.
Starting point is 01:02:00 But this is petty. This petty as hell here. Very, very petty. Very petty. When I think about it, listen. Steelers, Browns, Ravens. When it comes to the fans, there was a true hatred and disdain for each other. But for some reason, for some reason, regards to where I was, especially when we played away, there was always love. Because, one, I had my fun. I did my entertaining stuff. I talked my trash to entertain the fans
Starting point is 01:02:30 to give them believable material and give them something to look forward to before the game. There was always love and there was nothing but respect. Of course, you have your few that want to talk trash from the stands and I entertain it and engage back with it.
Starting point is 01:02:43 But after that, there was nothing but respect. Now, quarterbacks is a different ballgame. Well, they booed, I mean, I think they booed Tom a little bit when he went back to New England from Tampa. I love it. You know, it's always always. You are the enemy, though. I mean, I know we love
Starting point is 01:03:00 you, but you are the enemy. You're the enemy for three hours. Yes. You're the enemy for three hours. You know, your resume, what you've done for us, it will never be forgotten. But once you're gone, you are the enemy. You're the enemy for three hours. Yes. You're the enemy for three hours. You know, your resume, what you've done for us, it will never be forgotten. But once you're gone, you're the enemy in between them lines. But you know what, Ocho? Look, if you want to applaud a guy, when he come out there, introduce him, you applaud.
Starting point is 01:03:15 Yay! Hey, when that Joe try to catch a pass, I'm going to boot the brakes off you. You drop one, I'm going to yell, yes, that's what I'm talking about. Right. A quarterback, knock him out. Get him out I'm going to yell, yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Right. A quarterback, knock him out. Get him out. Oh, hey, that's just, I'm a fan.
Starting point is 01:03:31 I appreciate what you did while you were here, but you're not here now. So you the enemy. Ocho, which quarterback do you think has the most at stake? Out of? Oh, playoff, playoff playoff playoff yes oh Dak of course we know that we know that they haven't won anything since 1995 every year every year since 1996 every year is their year yeah every year is their year obviously Dak you're playing for America's team you understand what that comes with Michael Parsons I don't think it's really
Starting point is 01:04:04 grasped the concept in understanding who he's playing for. You're playing for America's team. That's why all the tension is on you. The Dallas Cowboys moved the needle. Jerry Jones moves the needle. They are the team that is going to make the headlines and move the needle for all broadcasts,
Starting point is 01:04:20 for all stations, for all journalists, for all analysts. The highest stakes are on the Cowboys. And I think they're going to get over the hurdle this year. I think they're going to get over that hurdle this year. At some point, at some point this year, they're going to meet the goddamn San Francisco 49ers in that NFC Championship. And I'm hoping, I'm hoping they handle business.
Starting point is 01:04:43 I ain't. I'm for Kyle. If Kyle made the, if they made the Super Bowl, I'm going. I'm hoping they handle business. I'm for Kyle. If Kyle made the Super Bowl, I'm going to go. Because I already know I'm good. I'd call Mike Shanahan if I didn't have no job. I guarantee I'd call Mike Shanahan. Hey, what's going on, 84?
Starting point is 01:04:59 Mike, I need a job. I mean, what you want to do? I want to do something for the 49ers. You going to coach? You ain do something for the 49ers. Okay. You going to coach? You going to coach? How you going to do something for the 49ers?
Starting point is 01:05:07 You ain't playing for the 49ers? I don't. But I tell you what, my former coach is there in his son. Okay. I see what you're saying. Bet you that.
Starting point is 01:05:18 Well, shit, I'm coming with you then. You come on. Yeah, I agree with you you I think Dak has the most at stake followed closely by Josh Allen Josh Allen's right behind it
Starting point is 01:05:35 that's a good one because remember they were 13 seconds away from advancing to the NFC title game I mean excuse me AFC title game and having mean, excuse me, AFC title game. And having the game in their building. And last year, they got knocked out early.
Starting point is 01:05:54 Cincinnati went there and beat the Brakes off. Yeah. And so, it's time now. It's time. You know, Dak led the league in touchdown passes. CD led the league in touchdown passes. CD led the league in catches. Bro, offensively, you know, you got a solid offensive line. You don't run the ball, but I don't think you put a heavy emphasis on running the football.
Starting point is 01:06:14 To run the football, you got to put an emphasis on it. You got to make sure everybody understands their responsibility. Wire receivers got to get in there and dig out safeties. You got to knock people off them. That's how you get long runs. The offensive line got to be violent. They're a little older now. They've been involved in a lot of collisions.
Starting point is 01:06:31 Zach Martin, he's still a solid player. He's not violent like he's not as violent as he once was. You see Tyron Smith miss games, start to miss three, four games annually. But they're still a solid ball club. They're going to get a game at home. Yeah. Maybe two. Who knows?
Starting point is 01:06:53 Maybe three. Listen, the Cowboys at home. The Cowboys at home? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. They putting up, putting up 24 up 24 28 29 nah they averaging they averaging
Starting point is 01:07:07 37 I think 37.4 37.5 points at home I thought it dropped down a little bit nah hell nah nah
Starting point is 01:07:14 they listen they get two at home mind you mind you after after this weekend it's only two more after that yeah
Starting point is 01:07:22 you got the division around in the NFC title game it's only two it's only two more after that. Yeah. You got the division around in the NFC title game. There's only two more after that before the big dance. Boy, if Dak went to goddamn Super Bowl this year, man, they might as well put the goddamn statue
Starting point is 01:07:33 outside of goddamn AT&T Stadium or whatever the name of the goddamn stadium is. Jerry's World, no, it's going to be Dak's World. Ain't going to be no goddamn Jerry's World.
Starting point is 01:07:43 Let me ask you a question. You know Dak win the playoff, the Super Bowl you know the contract up right CD's already said I want to be the highest paid what you think Michael want to be now what's the likelihood of you having the three highest paid players on one team somebody got to sacrifice Ocho that ain't gonna work
Starting point is 01:08:01 that ain't gonna work and I'm not sure I wouldn't be the one to do it I don't want to be the one doing the number crunching I wouldn't even want to be Jerry at that point I do I want to be Jerry
Starting point is 01:08:10 I think it's a good it's a good problem to have it's a great problem to have but it's only so much you can do the salary cap is still the salary cap is going up that ain't got nothing to do with me
Starting point is 01:08:18 but it's not going up enough to where you're able to pay back what he's owed and what he's deserved especially especially excuse me if you go deep into the playoffs. Yeah. And, oh, hell yeah, you win a Super Bowl, you might as well just back up the brink truck.
Starting point is 01:08:32 You might as well back up. Matter of fact, you know what you could do? Back up two of them. They do it in college before the NIL money. Well, listen, Dak, we're going to give you this, and we're going to stack a little something under the table. I don't know they would like that. You don't want to be like, they might, Roger Goodell might put the death penalty on Jerry.
Starting point is 01:08:47 Take my cellmate, grab him. Ain't nobody got to know. Ain't nobody got to know. Ain't nobody got to know. Ocho, what did I tell you? More than one person knows something. Somebody got to be dead. Okay.
Starting point is 01:08:59 That's the only way they can keep that hush hush. Ocho, Jerry said, and if I'm the old agent, they say, Jerry, I heard you say you have no idea
Starting point is 01:09:09 the size of the check I'd be willing to write for one more Super Bowl when you got it. Now, how big a check you gonna write for that? How big a check
Starting point is 01:09:17 you gonna write for CD? How big a check you gonna write for Micah? Well, shit, listen, the game of football is 11 on 11 you can't play 3 on 11
Starting point is 01:09:27 that ain't got nothing to do with me you told me my job you told me my job is to play so don't come to me and help us out on the cap give us a hometown discount oh no ain't no discount man I ain't even from Dallas
Starting point is 01:09:41 I give my hometown a discount I give Glenville a discount I ain't giving you ish cause I ain't from Dallas and the Cowboys ain't even from Dallas. I give my hometown a discount. You're right. I give Glenville a discount. I ain't giving you ish because I ain't from Dallas. And the Cowboys ain't my team. Yeah. Hey, listen, I'm hoping for Dak's sake. I'm not a Cowboy fan. I'm a fan of players.
Starting point is 01:10:00 I'm a fan of individuals. I'm a fan of individuals that I want to see get over the hump. I'm a fan of individuals that I want to see get over the hump. I'm a fan of individuals that I want to see succeed. If there's one player that has constantly been bombarded and harassed, rightfully so. Let me state that.
Starting point is 01:10:13 Rightfully so for not being able to get his team to where they're deservingly should be. I really want to see Dak do it. I really want to see him do it. Right.
Starting point is 01:10:24 This is what I think what everybody's been in the chat. How many people got in the chat, Ash? I think this is what the people have been waiting for. Yeah. Us, our commentary, what we're going to say. Stephen A unloads on Jason Whitlock.
Starting point is 01:10:37 Oh, Stephen A will come with them hate makers, what? Stephen A, Whitlock calls Stephen A's book farcical, saying he had an issue with the claim that he was recruited by Winston-Salem State to play basketball despite only playing one year in high school. Whitlock said
Starting point is 01:10:53 Stephen A was lying about going to an open try at Winston-Salem and hitting 17 three-pointers and getting a scholarship offer after that's right on the spot. Stephen A says he contacted ESPN leaders just to warn them about his segment on Jason Whitlock.
Starting point is 01:11:09 I don't know if you watched the show, but I told Stephen, I said, Stephen A, will you please stop lending people your audience? Yeah. Sometimes, listen, sometimes you got to put people in your place. Sometimes you got to put people in your place because Sometimes you got to put people in your place.
Starting point is 01:11:27 Because what happens is, if you don't say nothing, they're going to keep on coming at you and they're going to keep on coming for you. Normally, when you're in school and there's a bully and he's bullying you, he's going to keep on bullying Stephen A has fed up because Mr. Whitlock has always been going at him and going at him and going at him and going at him and taking shots at him. And now he's finally fed up. You got to stand up for yourself. But Ocho, this is what Stephen has said. Stephen has said, I'm a very forgiving person. Not with him. I hate this, you know, B-A-S-T-A-R-D far more than a little bit.
Starting point is 01:12:04 He's the worst human being of any you'll ever meet. You get with a mile of his presence, wrap your arms around him and protect your soul. He's king. He's the devil. The worst. That's all I have to say. Ocho. I get it. You gotta stand up for yourself
Starting point is 01:12:20 sometime, Uncle. You can't do that. Sometime you gotta stand up for yourself. That's like your mama seeing you to school. Boy, if somebody hit you, you can't do that. Sometime you got to stand up for yourself. That's like your mama sending you to school. Boy, if somebody hits you, you better hit them back. And if you don't hit them back and you come home,
Starting point is 01:12:32 I'm going to march your ass right back down to that school so you get your lick back. At some point in the Bible, God said, if somebody slap you, turn the other cheek. No, that's in the Bible.
Starting point is 01:12:43 See, I ain't in there. Okay. See, I'm right here. Right there, turn the other cheek. I, that's in the Bible. See, I ain't in there. Okay. I'm right here. Right there, turn the other cheek. I ain't in there. He was talking about people that was in the Bible. But think about it. Stephen A. Smith, I'm
Starting point is 01:12:55 assuming, has been turning the other cheek for a very long time and now he's at the point where he's fed up. Yeah. So therefore, to me, listen, I like to see this side. I like to see a different side of Stephen A. Smith. I think all journalists that have a problem with somebody that is sick of people always picking on them or taking shots or saying something. I think they all should.
Starting point is 01:13:17 You know what? I think everybody, chat, all journalists that are going to see this, regardless of what platform you're on. If you have a problem with somebody, I think you should take the Stephen A. Smith route. Let somebody know. It's so refreshing. It's so refreshing to see somebody be their authentic, organic
Starting point is 01:13:35 self when they have a problem with somebody instead of that same politically correct bullshit that we always spew. I like it. Ocho. You don't like it? You gotta like it. For me, Ocho, look, guys are starting to take shots
Starting point is 01:13:52 at me that never took shots at me before. And you and I know it. You did it on the last show. See, you just did the same thing. But no, Ocho. No, I didn't mention no name. I remember people knew who I was talking about. I still don't know who you're talking about. I was just going along. But here's the thing. This is what I'm trying to tell.
Starting point is 01:14:06 Look. Yes, sir. If you look at career-wise, you look at where Stephen A is, and you look at the guy that he was talking about. Stephen A is up here. He's here. Or even lower. So, in other words, see, Ocho, you remember, like,
Starting point is 01:14:22 when we were growing up and somebody be going, hey, man, you going to town? And let me catch a ride. See, the only way he can get up if he's attached himself to Stephen A or somebody that's hired that's going up. I leave him alone. Right. I don't, I don't, look, I don't mess with him. I don't mess with him.
Starting point is 01:14:42 He knows I don't mess with him. He likes to bring my name you know Fox tried to feed him some information about this and that and he threatened I don't get into all that I just look I know who I am I know what I am
Starting point is 01:14:53 okay y'all say all y'all little stuff because see the problem the problem that he has with me see and this is what a lot of people have that are journalists you see I can sit at a desk on ESPN or I did it at Fox,
Starting point is 01:15:08 and I can do what they do. They could never live in my world. They could never play pro sports. So now not only could I play sports and I was damn good, I can sit across and I'm more entertaining. I'm more informative. I'm more educational than you and see those that can do
Starting point is 01:15:28 those that can't talk you see all they can do is talk I can do that irks them it irks them that somebody from rural South Georgia with a list that overcame that can do this it
Starting point is 01:15:44 bother them that Complex voted me most entertaining. Come on, guy. It bothered them. It bothered them that I got the interview with Cat Williams. The second most viewed
Starting point is 01:15:59 interview in YouTube history. 42 million. 42 million, my dad. Come on, now. They mad about that Ocho. And they, oh, this and that. Why y'all bothering me? I've never said anything about anybody because I don't care about you.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Stephen A and I have always been cool. Obviously, we're a lot cooler now. He was always cordial to me. I think there was a fondness there because he went to HBCU and so did I. So I know the plights of people that go now. I don't know what it's like now. It's probably
Starting point is 01:16:33 a lot better than when Stephen A and I was in school. I'm almost certain of it. But I don't know why so many of these guys got to put my name in the mouth. It seems to be the only way they can get clicks. You never hear me come on.
Starting point is 01:16:50 I've never, unless somebody has said something about me, you don't hear me mention anybody's name. I've never gone on my podcast and talk about a former reporter. When I talk about players, I'm critiquing their play. Right. I said,
Starting point is 01:17:04 I don't just go out and just start. And I, and I'm paidiquing their play. What's that? I don't just go out and I'm paid for that. But they mad. They see, I got 2.35 million subs on Club Shay Shay. We're about to hit in another two weeks, we're going to hit 800,000 subs in a podcast that's
Starting point is 01:17:19 three and a half months old. And so now, the fact that somebody might throw the bag up. Man, that show might get you know, somebody might throw the bag at, oh, man, that show might get picked up. Somebody might throw the bag at Nightcap. Not even mad.
Starting point is 01:17:30 Everybody got so, oh, he was a loose cannon. Oh, he was this. And if he keeps doing, bro, I ain't saying nothing.
Starting point is 01:17:37 I ain't never said nothing. Right. I don't bother nobody. But I tell you what, just leave me alone. Right. Just, just leave me alone. Whatever you you got going on why you mentioning my name i don't mention your name i don't care about you and so look that's crazy look me and clay travis we don't have anything in common clay
Starting point is 01:18:02 travis don't f with the dude that Stephen A was talking about. That should tell you everything you need to know. Klay Travis, don't rock with it. And I had my issue with Klay Travis. Y'all can go look up, y'all can go dig up the tweet.
Starting point is 01:18:19 All I said was, bro, I don't know you and you don't know me. But don't make me lose my job. Enjoy the rest of your day. I left it at that. You hit it with that on? That's all I did. You can pull up the tweet.
Starting point is 01:18:33 That's all I said. I mean, I don't, I don't, all that back and forth. I ain't about that. I had one issue with the guy that, uh, with Steven, they got into it with, I told my bosses, I said, hey, just keep me just trying to keep my, hey, I won't be here long because I don't play. I don't do all that back and forth. Leave me the F alone. I don't bother nobody. Right.
Starting point is 01:18:56 But boy, I'm telling you, he don't want any problem. Just leave me. I don't know why he feels such a need to keep my name. Okay, whatever you got going on with Stephen A., that's it. Okay, y'all both working at ESPN. You're both journalists. Maybe there's competition there. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:19:12 Leave me the F alone. I'm not what you want. I'm not. So that's why I say, Ocho, if you see me nine times out of team, if I'm not in the airport, if I'm not like working, Shannon by himself. Right. You see me in Whole Foods.
Starting point is 01:19:29 You see me in Target. You see me. I'm by myself. I'm home 90% of the time with my dogs because I don't fool with people. And what I've started to see, and I didn't see it at first, everybody saw what was going on with Shannon before Shannon actually saw it himself. Right. As you used to tell me, Shannon, you don't understand what you are. I said, Ash, I'm just she said, no, Shannon, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:19:56 You're not you're not. No, you're not. You're not the same, Shannon, that you walked in here in 2016. You're a different Shannon now. I said, but Ash, she said, no, Shannon. Everybody saw what was happening before I did. Ocho, think about it. Not all of a sudden I'm funny. Not all of a sudden I got takes. I've always had them.
Starting point is 01:20:22 But now I'm free. Yeah. Stephen A is Stephen A. There's nothing like, I've never been jealous of a teammate. When Ron Smith started to come on, I gladly, hey, I'm still trying to get my thing,
Starting point is 01:20:34 but I'm giving him information. Ask Ron. His locker was right across from mine. Yeah. I remember when he first walked in there, he said, I want to be like you. I said, what you mean? He said, I want the love and respect the fans give you.
Starting point is 01:20:43 I want the way the team, the way they treat you. That's what I want to be. I said, well, this is what you need. He said, I want the love and respect the fans give you. I want the way the team, the way they treat you. That's what I want to be. I said, well, this is what you need to do. Rod started coming on. Hey, come on, Fuzz. Let's get this. That's how I am. I don't bother. Ask anybody
Starting point is 01:20:59 at CBS. Ask anybody at Fox. I ain't talking about the high ups. Because all the stuff, you never heard anything about Shannon Sharp for six and a half years until all of a sudden the news broke that Shannon Sharp was parting ways with Fox. And then all of a sudden, Shannon Sharp is the worst person ever. Never heard a peep. Go ask ESP.
Starting point is 01:21:20 I don't bother nobody. They call me and say, can you do this? Hey, I'm done. I'm there. What do you think about it? I'm good. Stephen A wants to know if you... Okay, I'm cool. That's how I am. I don't bother people because I don't want nobody
Starting point is 01:21:34 to bother me. But somehow, my name, whatever you got going on with Stephen A, I just wish Stephen A would let it go. I really do. I like it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it because sometimes
Starting point is 01:21:50 when you don't address stuff, like I told you before, when you don't address stuff, man, they will continue to try to bully you. They will continue to keep your name in their mouth. That's just life. That's the nature of the business. To see what Stephen A. Smith did, which you don't see very often from journalists,
Starting point is 01:22:06 I mean, it's refreshing. It's refreshing. And he said he's not going to address it anymore. And that's it. That's it. I mean... Ocho, check this out. I was in the airport.
Starting point is 01:22:18 And the guy tried to prop me up. He's like, man, hey, man, you're great. You're a great addition to the show. But I'm trying to put Stephen A. Downs in my mind. Don't do that. I said, you can give me prop without trying to stand on him. Don't do that.
Starting point is 01:22:34 Right. Hey, I appreciate you giving me kudos. I appreciate you saying I'm this. We can do that without saying something negative about him. I'm not going to stand for that. Nah, we ain't going to do that. Think about it now.
Starting point is 01:22:49 I got a ginormous personality. I'm a big presence. Ain't a whole lot of people in Stephen A. position would have brought me on. Ain't no way in hell. Ain't no way in hell. Because had I been this in 2016 you think they'd have brought me on in Fox
Starting point is 01:23:09 me being what I am as I sit in this chair Ojo you think they'd have brought me on in Fox hell no hell nah and I'm okay with it I understand that I pay I do my pay I come to work I show up I punch the clock I go home ain't cause nobody no problem.
Starting point is 01:23:26 Right. Damn. Hey, listen. And the great words of I don't even know who said the quote can't we all just get along? Yeah, we could. Can't we all just get along? But, I mean...
Starting point is 01:23:41 They gonna take your shots. It come with the territory. You gotta be ready for it. It come with the territory you got to be ready for it it come with the territory I don't mind people that don't know me taking shots at me because you don't know me but how you going to be pretend like we were cool
Starting point is 01:23:56 and now you try to take a subtle shot but I saw it coming but it's starting to come with greater frequency and regularity what I gave you kudos when you was doing your thing coming, but it's starting to come with greater frequency and regularity. What? I gave you kudos when you was doing your thing. Right. I just don't get it.
Starting point is 01:24:14 I don't, but little do they know, what's for me, God going to give it to me. They can't take it. You're going to get it regardless. What's for you? Whatever it is. If a bowling ball is supposed to drop on your head get it regardless what's for you whatever it is if a bowling ball supposed to drop on your head that's what's gonna happen if you're supposed to win the lottery of 100 million that's what's gonna happen you're gonna get what's intended for you oh yeah so what's intended for me
Starting point is 01:24:40 but they make it seem like what i what, Ocho, is that people seem like if I start to get a little success and they think money's going to come along with it, that the money is their money. All that money the government printed $3, $4, $5 trillion during the pandemic.
Starting point is 01:24:59 They're not going to run out of money. It's enough for everybody, too. It's enough for everybody.. It's enough for everybody. Enough for everybody. But somebody might talk, might say, call Shannon name a little more than they call theirs.
Starting point is 01:25:13 They might say, I like Shannon take on said subject more than they like theirs. I don't think, I've always thought like this. And this is what my gran and my grandfather instilled in us. You're not better than someone else
Starting point is 01:25:29 you just can do a job better than they can I believe I can do this better than anyone right that's what I believe and I ain't gotta bang my chest I ain't gotta do all this and no I ain't no columnist I ain't no investigative reporter and I ain't got to bang my chest. I ain't got to do all this.
Starting point is 01:25:46 And no, I ain't no columnist. I ain't no investigative reporter. And I ain't no new... No, no. And see, that's what... Ocho, I mean, it's kind of like how actors feel when somebody didn't go to Juilliard or they're not trained
Starting point is 01:25:57 and all of a sudden they come on to the house and they have success. They look at them... They look at them sideways. I mean, bro, you still got your role. You still getting your money. Yeah. Whatever. They look at them sideways. I mean, bro, you still got your role. You still get your money.
Starting point is 01:26:11 That's just the way I am. But everybody, like you said, Ocho, everybody is like that. And I'm starting to understand it. And that's one thing my sister said. She said, Shannon, you're going to get that. Yeah. I got a that. Yeah. I got a question. Yes. Have you ever thought about
Starting point is 01:26:27 the individuals that are saying anything or just having a reason to point out something you're doing and keeping your name in their mouth? Have you thought about reaching out and asking them what the problem is? No.
Starting point is 01:26:39 They got my number. Oh, they already got your contact too. So they could have came to you first. Of course. Oh, okay, okay, okay too, so they could have came to you first. Of course. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Of course they could have. Alright. They come to me with other stuff. Alright, I see where you're going. I hear where you're going.
Starting point is 01:26:55 Damn. But it's all good. I'm going to keep doing me. I'm going to keep doing me. Oh, we got to. We got to. I'm going to make sure you do. Shit. But they're going to be mad here shortly. Trust me. They, we got to. We got to. I'm going to make sure you do. Shit. But they're going to be mad here shortly. Trust me. They're going to be mad. They're going to be mad
Starting point is 01:27:11 at us, Ocho. They're going to be real mad. And then what? Y'all make sure you hit that subscribe button, guys. Help us out. We're trying to get to 800,000. Help us get to 800,000 in 10 days. Nah. Where we at, Ash? Let's get to a million before we go to Super Bowl. Man, that would be lovely.
Starting point is 01:27:28 Ocho, we asking an awful lot, a million by the Super Bowl. Listen, if we can get to a million. That's a month. If we can get to a million before Super Bowl. Wait, wait, I have a question. Yes. We doing a live show in Super Bowl? Yes, no?
Starting point is 01:27:42 What'd you think? Thursday. Thank you. If we can get to a million before the last Super Bowl show in Super Bowl? Yes? No? What'd you think? Thank you. If we can get to a million before the last Super Bowl show in Vegas, in which I will drink La Portia in front of the whole bottle.
Starting point is 01:27:54 You ain't gonna drink the whole bottle? Huh? Nah, because I'll be doing the show about 10 minutes in. I'll be doing the show by myself. Yeah, I can't wait. I can't. Oh, I forgot. Hey, chat, chat, if y'all watching, we got 32,000. I think we got about 32,000 in the chat. I told y'all, I tweeted before the show started. If you can guess the team jersey I'm wearing and the name, the play I'm wearing, the team jersey and the person jersey I'm wearing. If you can guess in the chat, whoever get it right the first time, I'm reading the chat. Whoever get it right the first time, I'm sending you $1,000 now.
Starting point is 01:28:39 You got to get it right? Yeah, the team jersey and the name on the back. Well, damn. Well, you sure not trying to get away that money. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain
Starting point is 01:29:06 that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move
Starting point is 01:29:18 without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength that's inside of us all. So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,
Starting point is 01:29:49 or wherever you get your podcasts. what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide, and hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency.
Starting point is 01:31:12 Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General. I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane,
Starting point is 01:31:46 I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Pat McAfee today announced that Aaron Rodgers is done as a guest for the NFL season. After he made the announcement that the weekly segment Aaron Rodgers Tuesday was done for the season, and he and his staff applauded. McAfee then explained that Rodgers had become too much of a distraction.
Starting point is 01:32:21 McAfee said, so Rodgers Tuesday's season four is done. There's going to be a lot of people that are happy,ee said, so Rogers Tuesday season four is done. There's going to be a lot of people that are happy, myself included, to be honest. He continued to say the way it ended, it got really loud, really,
Starting point is 01:32:32 really loud. I'm happy that if I'm, I'm, I'm happy that it's going to be my mentions going forward, which news. McAfee made the call. He has creative control of guest booking. Obviously, I'm certain ASPN I'm sure ASPN helped aid that decision also. You can't take...
Starting point is 01:32:59 Man, come on, Ocho. I already know. And the stuff that he's talking about. That's way above my pay grade. It's okay to toe the line. It's okay to push the envelope. But there's certain things you just don't touch. Especially with A-Rod mentioned
Starting point is 01:33:17 and even implicating that that individual was a part of that. Boy, you can't play like that, boy. And he keeps talking about stuff that happened in 2020. Man, nobody care about Fauci. Nobody care about that COVID vaccine. Okay, you took an alternative. That's fine. But you try to keep it.
Starting point is 01:33:35 Well, first of all, it's just like, oh, I'm going to have to fast recover. A-Rod, he loved to hear his name mentioned. That's why he kept talking about, oh, I'm going to come back. I'm going to come back. And then he came back and then they activated for what?
Starting point is 01:33:47 He took a roster spot. Well, I told him I told him not to do that. Oh, so they didn't listen to you this time. But when you told him you wanted Alan Lazard, they didn't listen. They listened to you. When you told him you wanted Randall Cobb, they listened to you. But when you told him, don't activate you, don't put you on the active roster, they didn't listen
Starting point is 01:34:04 to a man that had Achilles surgery. So they didn't listen to you then, but they listened to you all the other time. See, the thing is – go ahead, okay. Go ahead, go ahead. No, I was going to say – I was going to say, he know you weren't going to play. You know you weren't going to play. You're going to get the headlines anyway.
Starting point is 01:34:17 You're going to get the headlines anyway. No, not when you're injured. You know how it is. You've never been injured. But when you're injured, you see guys who talk about them when they're injured. You know how it is. You've never been injured. But when you're injured, you see guys who talk about them when they're injured. The coaches ain't talking about them.
Starting point is 01:34:30 They not in the game playing. The media not mention them. When's the last time you heard somebody mention Joe Burrow since he got injured? Okay, I see you going with it. That's what he couldn't stand. That's why he kept
Starting point is 01:34:43 that bull job going every week trying to take a shot at travis kelsey talk about the vaccine you didn't get the vaccine okay that's fine bro that's three four years ago move it alone but see oh you hear what a rod said i'm surprised they let it go on as long as they did because he keeps these conspiracy theories because he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. That's his thing. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.
Starting point is 01:35:11 But I guarantee you, let me ask you a question. So did they do alternative medicine on that Achilles? Did he take, what are you saying? That drug, that hallucinogenic ayahuasca? Ayahuasca. Did he take that to have him put him under?
Starting point is 01:35:27 Or did he take the regular medicine like everybody else took? You see, he pick and choose the type of medicine that he believes in. A-Rod full of what the elephant left on the showground. That's what he full of. Everybody knows it. But a lot of people are afraid to say it. So I'm glad because you can't keep coming on somebody's platform and then talking about their ball and making
Starting point is 01:35:48 those kind of accusations. Those conspiracy theories. Oh Fauci. Oh the vaccine. Oh I want to debate Travis Kelsey. Nobody care about that damn vaccine. People got it. They wanted to have it. And they didn't. They didn't get it. Move on. Why are you still talking
Starting point is 01:36:04 about some stuff from 2020? I mean, 2020. Ah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Listen, I just know some of the... Boy, you understand the privilege you got to have to be able to say some of the stuff he was saying?
Starting point is 01:36:23 Of course. Oh, you're not understanding me. Do you understand the privilege you got to have to be able to say some of the stuff he was saying? Shit. Wow, I would have never
Starting point is 01:36:38 saw the light of day. I wish I would have said shit like that. Never. Never. No, sir. First of all, if you'd have been on a program and you said that, you'd have never been back on that program. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 01:36:52 Absolutely not. And it would only take one time. Yeah. They're not bringing me back so I could re-explain myself again. Oh, no. No, no. To further advance your conspiracy theories. But I like PMAC.
Starting point is 01:37:06 I'm glad he made this decision. He's been great. He's been great to me. He's the model that we're trying to capture because we saw what he did. So that tells us, I mean, he did it. That means it's possible to be done. So therefore, it can be done again. Yeah, most definitely.
Starting point is 01:37:23 So that's how we look at it. That's how you and I approach it, Ocho. So kudos to PMAC for finally taking a stand. Whether ESPN helped with that decision, I think that's the right decision that you made, PMAC, and congratulations. The Miami Heat waited. Go ahead. You want to answer?
Starting point is 01:37:40 Before you finish? No. The person, the first person to answer right on the name, the team and the name. I. You see the name, yeah, yeah, Batista. Yeah. Somebody get somebody got it right. Phil, man, you'll see. Phil, man, you'll see. I'm sure you follow me on Instagram or Twitter. Send me your Zelle. Send me your Cash App.
Starting point is 01:38:10 Philmon Yosef. You are the first person to answer right with the team and the player's name. Send me your Zelle, your Instagram, your PayPal, your Venmo, whatever it is you use, your Cash App, and I'm going to send you $1,000. I'm going to do this every night from now on. I'm going to have you $1,000. I'm going to do this every night from now on. I'm going to have on a different jersey. If you're able to guess the player's name on the back and the team name, I got you with $1,000.
Starting point is 01:38:30 Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Miami Heat waited until Eric Spolstra's divorce was finalized and they gave him a record breaking contract. I think it's eight years $120 million. Spol and Nicky, a former heat dancer, announced their divorce November 23rd
Starting point is 01:38:48 after seven years of marriage. The thing got finalized. Pat Riley and Mickey Harrison broke bread. Wait, seven years, huh? Well, you know that saying, huh? My grandma used to say all the time, the seven-year itch, it gets you every time, huh?
Starting point is 01:39:04 Yeah, I don't know what happened to me. Listen, seven-year itch, it gets you every time, huh? Yeah. I don't know what happened to me. Listen, seven-year itch, it gets you every time. Hold on. If something's about hitting seven years in anything, either you're going up here or you're going down here. Ain't no in-between. I thought it was no fraternization with the cheerleaders
Starting point is 01:39:24 and the dancers and the coaches and players. We couldn'tization with the cheerleaders and the dancers and the coaches and players. We couldn't mess with the cheerleaders. Wait, who listened to them rules? Man. Me. Wait, who messed with the cheerleader? She was a dancer. She was?
Starting point is 01:39:41 That's what I said, Ocho. Oh, my bad. I didn't know that But listen Sometimes love Sometimes love Is In places Where you're not supposed To be looking
Starting point is 01:39:51 And that's what happens Sometimes you find love In places you're not Supposed to be looking Normally Your mama told you These are the type of boys You don't want to have
Starting point is 01:40:00 And you better not bring Nothing like this home And guess what you bring home Exactly what she told you Not to motherfucking bring Don't we all want What we can't have But we're not supposed to have and you better not bring nothing like this home and guess what you bring home exactly what she told you not to motherfucking bring don't we all want what we can't have but we're not supposed to have and why does it feel that much better than the things they want us to have what did adam do what was what was he what was it what was he not supposed to do oh joe there's an archer to treat an archer yeah yeah just can't eat up this one no and it was he not supposed to do Ocho there's an archer to treat an archer you just can't eat off this one he was the only one
Starting point is 01:40:29 he didn't say nothing about Eve Eve could have ate that whole damn tree you couldn't eat it yeah what she did no what he did you right you right
Starting point is 01:40:43 the things that are not What he did. Oh, what he did. You right. You right. You right. Hey, listen. That started it. The things that are not good for you feel so... Wait, what's the word? I forgot. I forgot. I forgot the saying. The things that are bad for you feel so good.
Starting point is 01:41:00 The things that are bad for you. The things that your mama or your daddy told you to stay away from as a woman don't mess with the bad boys don't mess with the bad boys what you want Ocho you want something that's good for you or good to you
Starting point is 01:41:17 that's the problem that's what you're running into Ocho cause see what's good for you might not be good to you and what's good to you might not be good for you so which you want Ocho I'm what's good for you might not be good to you, and what's good to you might not be good for you. So which do you want, Ocho? I'm going to break it down. I'm going to make it real simplistic, because I get what
Starting point is 01:41:29 you was trying to say, so I'm going to give it to you in a very simple term. You want what's good for you or good to you? Because what's good to you ain't good for you always. Now, what you want, Ocho? Listen. I want what's good for me. I want what's good for me I want what's good Baby Baby
Starting point is 01:41:49 Are you good for me? Are you going to be good to me? Yes, we still working Are you good for me? Are you going to be good to me? Answer me Ooh She can't hear, she's drunk to me. Answer me. Ooh.
Starting point is 01:42:09 She can't hear. She's drunk. Again. Really, Draco? Yeah, I mean, look, Ojo, we don't know why. I don't try to profess when people like, oh, they look so happy. Man, that's for the cameras. Oh, yeah, it's always the cameras.
Starting point is 01:42:25 What, they supposed to be arguing in front of the camera? They supposed to be frowning at each other in front of the camera? I don't know what's going on in someone's home. So I don't profess to know. So I don't know. Seven years of marriage, the last two years,
Starting point is 01:42:39 the last year might have been hell for Spoke and Nikki. Right. Right. But something led them to go away, to be wanting to go their separate ways. Forget them going their separate ways.
Starting point is 01:42:52 Why is the divorce rate so motherfucking high? Why is everybody breaking up? Why do things never seem to work out? The marriage ain't... See, people don't look at marriage as a job. Because I quit. I quit it.
Starting point is 01:43:07 Quick. Quick in a hurry, huh? I quit it. I quit. Quick in a hurry. Any day, any time. Listen. Hey, you ask a couple, right?
Starting point is 01:43:21 You ask a couple who's been married for years. Always. Nice to do this randomly. Obviously, just to prove a point. Do this randomly. Ask a couple that's been married for a very long time. Everybody say the same thing. It's hard.
Starting point is 01:43:32 It's a lot of work. Yeah, for sure. It's hard. It's a lot of work. Same answer. So are people getting to the point where, you know what, I don't feel like working on it no more? Yeah. Have we gotten to the point where we don't want to grow together?
Starting point is 01:43:44 We're not evolving as one? I don't feel like working on it no more? Yeah. Have we gotten to the point where we don't want to grow together? We're not evolving as one? I don't know. It's easier to grow apart than it is to grow together because it takes work to grow together. It don't take nothing to grow apart. No. Just do what you normally do
Starting point is 01:44:00 and watch because a lot of times, Ocho, people will plant a seed and think that it's just going to grow. But no, you got to water it. You got to fertilize it. Yeah. Look, I've never been married. But I do know
Starting point is 01:44:13 the reason why a lot of my relationships didn't work because I didn't water it. I didn't fertilize it. But I was watering and fertilizing my career. That's on me. See, I'm not naive enough to sit here and say it was the woman's fault.
Starting point is 01:44:30 Sometimes it was, but 90% of the time it was mine. Come on, preacher. I own that. Yeah. I own my mistakes. I like that. See, the thing,
Starting point is 01:44:42 Ocho, a lot of times when I was growing up, people used to say things, you know, I had a lisp and it was, you know, a lot of times when I was growing up, people used to say things, you know, I had a lisp and it was, you know, hard for me to enunciate certain words. Uh-huh.
Starting point is 01:44:52 And my grandmother, I tell my grandmother, you know, people make fun of me and say things. And she said, boy, it ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to. Mm.
Starting point is 01:45:01 So I learned early on, if I take ownership Mm- inferior, my insecurities, you couldn't make me feel bad about them. I know I talk with a lisp. I know I don't speak grammatically correct. Okay, I'm cool with that. Once I took ownership of that, people couldn't make me feel bad about that. Right. And that's what you have to do.
Starting point is 01:45:30 Take ownership of your insecurities so when people say, oh, you, okay, big nose, you black, you know, I was dark. Okay, yeah, okay.
Starting point is 01:45:39 Call me smut. Call me chimney. Call me dirt. Call me all that crow. God damn. I'm cool with all that. They call you all that shit
Starting point is 01:45:46 you good now though huh I remember back in the day you had to be light skinned you had to be like El DeMar Chico DeMar you know I ain't no one want no dark skin, man, no. Man, them boys bruise too easy, man.
Starting point is 01:46:07 You hit them upside the head, they bruise. They turn red, black and blue. Nah, man. You know, Michael Jordan
Starting point is 01:46:13 came along and Wesley Spank. Yeah. I've been popping since. Ever since. Mm-hmm. I've been popping ever since.
Starting point is 01:46:21 Everybody know from the side, you know exactly what I'm talking about. People in the chat, they know what I'm talking about. Everybody wanted the light, they know what I'm talking about. Everybody wanted
Starting point is 01:46:26 the light-skinned guys with the light eyes. They had the wavy hair like Chico DeBarge, El DeBarge. With a little oil sheen in it. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:46:34 they wanted them guys. They didn't want nobody all dark. No, they didn't want me there. Oh, Lord. That's funny.
Starting point is 01:46:42 But now, ever since Michael Jordan and Wesley Snipes, I've been popping since the 80s. Mid-80s, I started popping. Ain't dropped off since. Ain't gonna never drop off. Oh, no, no.
Starting point is 01:46:53 Black in. Fine. Listen, boy, we've been in. We've been in for a minute. Yeah. We've been in for a minute. They didn't want no dark skin gotten. He too dark.
Starting point is 01:47:01 He's black. Okay. All right. Listen, you know what they say now. The black of the juice is sweeter than the berry. No, I think it's the black of the berry that's sweeter than the juice, but I get where you're going. Wait, I said it wrong?
Starting point is 01:47:13 Yeah. Baby! The black of the juice is sweeter than the berry? The black of the berry that's sweeter than the juice. How you know? You say she love her some blackberries, honey. Yeah. Yeah, talk your shit now.
Starting point is 01:47:30 But, oh, you know, you know, I played it. Hold on, Ocho, you say the black of the berry, the sweet of the juice? Yeah. She's about to get diabetes messing with me. Because I'm black in the both of them. You know what I said, Ocho? They get diabetes with O'Shea. You better get on this old sugar train.
Starting point is 01:47:47 Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm real, I'm bad, please. They already know. I like that. Damn, man. Hey, well, we had some good-ass topics tonight, bro. Well, we had some great topics tonight, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:48:00 Hey, I like that goddamn Stephen A goddamn Jason Whitlock. That shit was good. Why do you like that? You like you see you like conflict. No, I don't know. I don't like conflict because I'm not I'm not conflicting. I'm not. I don't like problems.
Starting point is 01:48:15 I don't like problems. I like to find a solution to them. But it's interesting because I'm glad to see Stephen A outside of his form, outside of his norm. I got a solution to the problem. Someone always jabbing at you, jabbing at you, jabbing at you, jabbing at you, or taking shots at you. It's okay to defend yourself. It's okay to finally stand up. Because if you don't stand up to the bully, he's going to continue to bully you over and over and over.
Starting point is 01:48:39 And that goes for anybody. In your workplace, at home, might be a relationship, might be a friendship. Sometimes you have friends, you don't even know they bullying you. Sometimes at some point you got to stand up for yourself. My thing is the way I look at it, Ocho, I'm a rocket ship.
Starting point is 01:48:54 I'm taking off and I ain't letting nobody hit the ride. I like it. That's the way I'm looking at it, Ocho. I choose who to pick up and give a ride to the destination that I'm going which is to the top and I don't choose them shit I'm going to
Starting point is 01:49:14 hey absolutely Lady Ray said I got a good one for you guys what's the hardest thing for you to say I need help I love you or I'm sorry it's easy say which is which is what is the hardest thing for you to say i need help i love you or i'm sorry well shit boy ain't none ain't none of them three hard for me to say obviously
Starting point is 01:49:43 i say i love you every goddamn day. I need help. There may be one or two people I can go to when I do need help. I'm not in situations where I really need help that often, but when I do, especially when it's something that I don't know about and I'm not knowledgeable about, I have no problem saying I need help. And I'm sorry. Well, I've been apologizing since 1983. I've been apologizing
Starting point is 01:50:10 since 1983 for many mistakes because if life came with an instruction booklet, I wouldn't have made no mistakes. And it just don't. It just don't work like that. So I've been apologizing
Starting point is 01:50:20 for a very long time. No, I'm sorry. It's definitely the easiest. Right. Yeah. Because I've never been too big, too proud to say no matter what, whether I was, you know,
Starting point is 01:50:33 five, six years old, whether I was this or whether I was, you know, early in my career or where I am now, I've just never, I've always been if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and I'm mad enough
Starting point is 01:50:41 to say I'm wrong. But I'm also mad enough to tell you when you wrong also. And that's the problem that people have. People don't mind saying, oh, man, you need to say you're wrong, but they don't want to hear they're wrong. So that's
Starting point is 01:50:53 definitely the easiest. I need help. It depends on what it is. The extent of help in what? The extent of help in actually what? Sometimes you might be running a little low on money. You might need money. I need help, relationship advice, marriage counseling, putting people in your business.
Starting point is 01:51:16 No, you got to do that. No, you can't have people in your business. Yeah, but when you say I need help, sometimes you have to figure it out. You got to go to other people. Sometimes everybody else is always able to guide you and help you when they're not in your situation. Yeah, because you get to offer. See, for me, like when I talk to guys about football stuff, a lot of the stuff I'm speaking from firsthand knowledge. Right.
Starting point is 01:51:45 And I'm a very practical, very common sense type of a guy. And I just believe in right and wrong. I believe there's a right way. The way you do some things is the way you do all things. And that's just the way I've always been. And you know, if we had to do this,
Starting point is 01:51:59 we're going to do this. I'm not going to let you do that. Once I became a leader. And I think that's the thing that that's why it was very easy for me to leave because guys knew I wasn't asking them what I wasn't willing to give them. Right. And so I just think, like I said, I'm sorry, I need help. I don't have a problem asking for that. I. It all depends because I found myself because I think early on
Starting point is 01:52:28 in my life I didn't tell my kids nearly enough I love them and now I won't get off the phone without telling them I love them I think it's easier for girls but I noticed my son,
Starting point is 01:52:46 since he became a dad, he always, I love you, dad, since he became a father. Right. So I was like, I love,
Starting point is 01:52:54 you know, I'm like, I remember the first time he said that, you know, after, you know, getting up some age, I'm like,
Starting point is 01:52:59 okay. I said, I love you too, bro. Yeah. Um, yeah, but I love,
Starting point is 01:53:04 I don't have, I don't have a problem the hardest would probably be I need help for you? yeah you better than me boy I need help I got two people
Starting point is 01:53:18 I got two people I can call and I need help God willing I'm never in a situation and I need help. Now, like God willing, I'm never in a situation where I need help. But if any, in any unfortunate circumstance, I'm calling
Starting point is 01:53:33 and I don't even care. Because all them phone calls I get when others need help throughout these years. Well, see, that's the thing. Most of the time people need help. They need money. That's easy for me. I can help them out easy. Oh, yeah. Most of the time, people need help. They need money. That's easy for me.
Starting point is 01:53:46 I can help them out easy. Oh, yeah. And I already know I ain't going to get it back, so I'm good. But I'm never going to give you more than I can stomach lose. Right, right. You know, you ask. I'm not expecting it back.
Starting point is 01:53:58 Right. So. That's a good goddamn question, too. That's a good one right there. Yeah. That's a good goddamn question too. I'm, that's a good one right there. Yeah, that's a good one. Uh, great show as always fellas.
Starting point is 01:54:11 Happy belated 56th birthday. That's what Lanny Ray said. Great show as always fellas and happy belated 56th birthday. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Yeah. I'm sorry. You know,
Starting point is 01:54:22 you saw, yeah, you are sorry. You sorry. You know what Adele baby I said I was sorry oh I remember them days
Starting point is 01:54:33 yeah now you gonna make me take it back I ain't sorry no more I was sorry about five minutes ago after you done talked I ain't sorry no more I should have stayed out later I was never gonna stay out type of guy. Oh, Joe. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:50 A 71-year-old serial bank robber who spent over 40 years in federal prison has been arrested again for allegedly robbing another bank and got away with $64,000 in cash. Bruce Edward Bell has four prior bank robber convictions and spent more than four decades
Starting point is 01:55:06 in the Federal Department of Corrections for his crimes. He was released from prison in July of 2021. That's his home. That's what he knows. Not only that, listen, you're a felon. You come out as a felon. What option do you
Starting point is 01:55:24 have to do anything as far as work and concern? Think about it. Who's hiring you after if you've already robbed three banks previously? You've done 40 years in the feds. You come home. Who's hiring you?
Starting point is 01:55:40 Think about it. I ain't hiring him. No, we got anything that got to do with money. If there's any money on the premises, he ain't getting no job. So he can do construction. He can do sanitation. He can do subway.
Starting point is 01:55:52 Ain't no money involved. Because all of a sudden, anytime he's around, money following him out the store or it follows him out the bank. I ain't saying he stole it, but somehow the money followed him out the bank.
Starting point is 01:56:04 Listen, I'm not saying he stole it, but somehow the money followed him out the bank. Listen, I'm not saying he's right. Chad, stay with me. I'm not saying he's right. But what option do you have if you're a three-time bank robber and you've already spent 40 years behind jail, you get out at 71,
Starting point is 01:56:21 what are you doing at 71 years old and you out of jail but go back and resort to what you already know how to do? How about this? Do what you did while you was in jail. You work for that man behind jail. They get your ass up in the wee hours of the morning,
Starting point is 01:56:36 put your ass out there in them fields, and you work. But you work with no freedom, but you won't work when you got freedom. So that's what you do. Yes. Do they make you work in jail if you're that old at 71 got freedom so that's what you do yes do you do they do they make you work in jail if you're that old at 71. hell yeah they put you to work if they put
Starting point is 01:56:51 your ass in jail at 71 they'll put your ass to work at 71. you talk about hey buddy buddy crazy man buddy crazy hey buddy is crazy mate three Three times and you get out after 40-something years of going back and forth? 40 years? Yeah. I mean, everybody that he knows, everything that he knows is tied to being incarcerated. I mean, you get structured, you get scheduled.
Starting point is 01:57:19 But that's what I don't get. My grandma used to always tell me, they'd say, you listen to me on the outside or you listen to somebody on the inside. But you're going to listen. So they don't want to listen. Oh, you're not going to tell me what to do. You ain't the boss of me. Go to that place.
Starting point is 01:57:37 Go to juvie. Go to any place. State prison, federal prison, doesn't matter. They tell you what to do and you gladly do it you better your ass end up in the hole they put your ass in solitary at your will
Starting point is 01:57:51 it's a different world man that's what I'm saying that's what I don't get I love I mean I mean the pandemic didn't really bother me because I ain't a person that go anywhere anyway so I was cool it had no
Starting point is 01:58:07 I mean honestly it had no impact on me whatsoever none and then guess what I just got to roll up out of bed throw on some
Starting point is 01:58:16 some athleisure and then it's like you know you need to look like you're a professional so I had to put on a shirt and tie not a shirt and tie but not a shirt and tie,
Starting point is 01:58:25 but a college shirt and a jacket, which is cool, but it had no impact on me. But Ocho, when you've done something for such a long time, how do you break that? You can't. It's impossible.
Starting point is 01:58:36 It's impossible. It only takes 30 days to create a habit. Well, hell, he's been in jail for 40 years. So he, yeah. It takes 30 days. It takes 30 days to create a habit and a lifetime to break it yeah 40 years
Starting point is 01:58:54 he just like hey I need to get out of that but he got out he don't got no options there's one thing I know I got to go get some money and there's only one way I know how to do it I mean but there's one there's one thing I know I got to go get some money and there's only one way I know how to do it. I mean, but oh, Joe, he said he was how fast was he running? How fast did he get? I don't know. He had 40 years to come up with a plan to make sure he don't go back like the last three times. And it obviously didn't work.
Starting point is 01:59:23 He should have watched Ocean's 11. Man, look here. I had a homeboy used to work. He used to work in the prison system. And the prisoners would say, look. He said, man, you work an eight hour shift to keep me in here. I get 24 hours a day to think of a way to hurt you. He said, I can do anything I want to anybody I want in here and to y'all guards. So think about that.
Starting point is 01:59:51 Will y'all work those three eight hour shifts or y'all work those two 12 hour shifts to try to find a way to get me to comply? I have 24 hours to think of ways I don't want to comply and what I want to do to hurt y'all. I said, yeah, that ain't the place for me. Not only to work in there. But what he did tell me is it's all about respect. He said, if you think because you're the correctional officer
Starting point is 02:00:17 and they're in there, mm-mm. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. No, sir. No, sir. Respect is the no sir no sir respect is it's the currency in there right respect is everything that's that's that jungle mentality that's that street mentality respect oh you'll give it to me i'll take it one of the the other. One way or another. So, all right, bro. I'm still not here on my side.
Starting point is 02:00:50 Okay, no joke. How y'all not mention Lamar Musk with the most to prove? He just got big bread. He's the league MVP with a one in three record. You're right. You're right. I agree with that, number one. But Lamar, yeah, because he was unanimous MVP in 2019, lost in the first round to
Starting point is 02:01:07 the Titans, had a monster day throwing the ball. I think he had over 500 yards of total offense, but the turnovers kind of doomed him. And so you're absolutely right. You know what? You're right. Lamar and Dak might be 1A and 1B while you're boo-jabbing.
Starting point is 02:01:23 Yeah, but Yonk, you know all the pressures on Dak. Just because of the team he plays for. Just because he's a star on his helmet. Obviously, Lamar also has a pressure. No, I think it's Lamar. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm going to let you finish yours.
Starting point is 02:01:36 Being a previous MVP, I understand what comes with that. He's judged on a much different level because he's already won the award and probably going to win it again but even without that having that mvp under his belt the pressure is is a little bit more it's a little bit more uh leaning leaning towards towards deck i mean what you just said about about lamar it just it's different man it's different, man. It's different, man. If you're wearing that star on your helmet, it's different. Ocho, two MVPs. The number one scoring defense
Starting point is 02:02:14 led the league in sacks, led the league in takeaways, and you got the MVP. So you got the best player on the best team with the number one defense. How many teams can say they've ever had that? You led the team in points allowed, takeaways, sacks with the MVP. Not many.
Starting point is 02:02:37 He's up against it. You got to win. Because think about it. There's only two guys in the playoff that have MVPs. He and Pat Mahomes. Well, Pat Mahomes has two and two Super Bowls. So he's peachy. There's only two guys in the playoff that have MVPs. He and Pat Mahomes. Well, Pat Mahomes has two and two Super Bowls. So he peachy.
Starting point is 02:02:48 He gravy. Anything, anything Patrick Mahomes gets after this is icing. Icing on the cake. You're right. Lamar with the expectations. I think it's Lamar.
Starting point is 02:03:03 All right. All right. The only ID said, Uncle Nocho. I think it's Lamar alright alright the only ID said Uncle Ocho would you give up five would you give up a Super Bowl for five more prime years
Starting point is 02:03:14 of football and Ocho would you give up five years of your prime prime Ocho would you give up five years of your prime for a Super Bowl hell no
Starting point is 02:03:23 I ain't giving up my goddamn prime years for that goddamn I can't eat Hell no, I ain't giving up my goddamn prime years. I can't eat that trophy and I can't eat that ring. No. Absolutely not. Five more? No. In today's game, not
Starting point is 02:03:37 back then. Oh, today's game. Yeah, I want to be now. I want to be hot on IG. I want to be hot. That's what I want to do. Hey, I want to get dressed up for the game. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:04 I want to be want to be drip. Yeah, I would listen. I would go into games back then and Dickie outfits and different colors. Shoot, I'm trying to get me a stylist. Yeah. Post on IG going to
Starting point is 02:04:14 everybody pull up. They got their culling in. They got their Mercedes the my box and the Ferrari. I'm not the Lambo trucks. What you gonna pull up in? Now? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:36 I'm trying to think. That's a good question, Ocho. Listen, I'm going to get me a stylist stylist I'm going to get me one of them big Man bags Yeah Go yard I'm going to get one of them Get me a big go yard Get me a stylist
Starting point is 02:04:56 What else I'm going to probably grow my hair out Cut me a fade and have some waves I changed my mind Nope I don't want no more five years. I don't want to be here. No? Man, I'd be like Nick Cannon in the future. I have 20 kids. And today, you think
Starting point is 02:05:13 so? Ocho, with the access that these guys have, you got access to some... You in Dallas, Texas, you got access in Florida. You ain't step one foot in Florida. You remember that when you and I played, you had to be in the location to see the woman. Okay, I see you.
Starting point is 02:05:29 If you was in Atlanta, to see people in California, you had to literally be in California. California, right. Now, it's different. You're right. No, I'm good. No, no, no. I don't want no more years. I don't want to play no more football. I want to sit my old ass down.
Starting point is 02:05:46 That's what I'm going to do. I'm going to sit down. Right. Take my trophies. Take whatever accolades I have. I'm good. I'm going to leave it to the young boys. It's a young man's game.
Starting point is 02:05:54 Young man. That it is. Ali Afashar says, Ocho, you're 90. Laurentian, New Jersey. Is it good? GD, you're 90, Laurentian, New Jersey. Is it good? GD Immaculate, bro. You should speak about footy more, man. There's a huge global audience waiting for you.
Starting point is 02:06:16 Love it. Love from Toronto. I mean, I would love to do it. I would love to speak footy. I mean, at some point, maybe we can squeeze it in with Unk. We could teach Unk a few things about the beautiful game. But that would be dope. That would be dope.
Starting point is 02:06:35 Maybe I should do something separate. Maybe I should do something separate, strictly soccer-related. Thank you for putting that little bug in me here. That's a good one. Nikki Grant said, damn it, Shanna. I hate that you could easily talk me out of my panties. The passion, the drive, the mindset. Stop playing and come get my number.
Starting point is 02:06:56 Oh. Lord, have mercy. Damn. I mean, do I speak with that much passion? Do I speak with that much ferocity and love and authenticity? Damn. She say, are you going to get the number or not? Come on, Ocho, man.
Starting point is 02:07:14 Ocho, I'm 55, man. I'm just out here just trying to make an honest loss. Ocho? I understand you, but she told you she asked you to come get a number. I want to know. Are you going to get the number? No, Ocho. I'm not going to get the number? No, Joe, I'm not going to get the number.
Starting point is 02:07:26 No. Is that okay? Man, slide in his DM and send the number anyway. He'll hit you. Ain't fooling me. He just saying that
Starting point is 02:07:35 because it's people watching. Nah, I mean, my DM, you can't DM me because it's blocked. It is? I mean,
Starting point is 02:07:42 you can DM me, but I don't, it's like, if you're not like blue checkmark or something, for some reason, they don't come through, and I don't go searching for them. Well, you could buy a checkmark and then send them a DM.
Starting point is 02:07:59 I need a solid. I'm trying to shake the sheets. I told the girl, we family. Shout me out so I can clip it. Send it to her. My name is John. Her name is Mary. Hey, hey, hey, John. Man, hey, check this out. Hey, Mary,
Starting point is 02:08:13 go on and do John the solid, man. I mean, he good people. Yeah. Good people. He good people, man. I've been knowing John for about, shee, about three, four minutes. Yeah. Yeah, John, make sure you got the whipped cream, boy. Grab the whipped cream, John. Nah, don't do that, John.
Starting point is 02:08:28 Don't do that. Don't listen to Ocho. Listen. First time, you got to have a lasting impression. Grab the whipped cream and don't forget the toes. Hey. Hey. Going to get one of them old diamonds in your system.
Starting point is 02:08:42 All them diamonds on me. She'll mess with you now. Going to get them diamonds on you. Hey them diamonds on me she'll mess with you now gonna get them diamonds on you and hold the old blade you gotta get that diamond on you gonna put that diamond in your system about 30-45 minutes don't eat nothing cause you want that thing you want all of it
Starting point is 02:08:58 you want the whole 100 milligrams in your system I don't know if you cooked the turkey before put that diamond on you boy can't cook the turkey before. Put that damn on you, boy. You got to light the turkey. Put it in the oven, 350. Get it ready.
Starting point is 02:09:10 Y'all know what I'm talking about. That thing be harder than prime wood. You know you went to the prime and you about to get that wet. Wow. Yeah, man, Ocho. I'm telling you, man. I'm telling you, Ocho. Put that prime wood on the...
Starting point is 02:09:21 Hey, John. Hey. Hey, man. I don't know... Hey,'m telling listen to me now don't be fun to Ocho You put what that diamond in your system? Yeah 3045 minutes I'll be a Anytime don't you don't want to waste it so you get a good thing so I kind of had a nice going Cuz you know, I mean, you know, hey, let me tell you,
Starting point is 02:09:45 let me tell you, you know, I had to think of a pocket right here. Every right here, you know, we talking, hey, you know, get a little kiss. Oh, this thing might... I don't want to think of that. It's over, Ocho. Ocho, it's over. It's over, Ocho. I don't know how to... Hold on. Hold on. Hey, sneak it, sneak it, and put it in. I had to I don't know how to put that bag in there hold on
Starting point is 02:10:05 hey sneak it sneak it and put it in you know that little pocket that little G pocket you know you got that little pocket right right right I had that thing
Starting point is 02:10:13 sitting up in there yeah how you put it in hey girl how you doing you know that sort of thing I look at where that bag on Joe man man I look away that thing on choke.
Starting point is 02:10:25 Man. She's about to get the arm. She's about to get the, Hey, you know that baking soda, the arm and hammer. Yeah. I had to get the hammer.
Starting point is 02:10:38 Oh, no black hammer. Man. That don't buy no black hammer. Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. That thing on the whole show? That's a good one, boy.
Starting point is 02:10:52 That black, that boy, you ever heard of that, that, that, that, that rhino pill from the gas station? Yeah, I heard about it. I ain't try, I ain't about you to try that on.
Starting point is 02:11:01 Well, listen now. Because you know rhinoceros, you know that's why they cut the horn. Because it's been, they said know rhinoceros, you know that's why they cut the horn. Because it's been, they said the rhinoceros can have sex up to five hours.
Starting point is 02:11:09 Yeah. So the Asian, they take the horn, they blend it, and man, I don't know who want to have, man, look here.
Starting point is 02:11:15 I know me. I don't know if there, I don't think there's a woman out there that want to have sex for no five hours. Listen, she might not want to, but she done been through it.
Starting point is 02:11:25 Huh? Ain't nobody take that kind of pounding. Ain't nobody take that kind of pounding out there that want to have sex for no five hours. Listen, she might not want to, but she done been through it. Huh? Ain't nobody take that kind of pounding. Ain't nobody take that kind of pounding no five hours, Ocho. What? Who? Five hours? Man, listen.
Starting point is 02:11:34 Listen, two-minute intervals. No, no. The rhinos, I'm talking about, here's the thing. Oh, you're talking about the rhino. Oh, I'm talking about me. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Starting point is 02:11:44 Oh, yeah. Five hours, two-minute intervals at 99 miles an hour. Pressure. God dang, Jack Rabbit. Yeah, I don't play. I don't play. I ain't got no time.
Starting point is 02:11:54 I don't got no time. I ain't got no time to play. About three hours at 99 miles an hour. Two-minute intervals. Had the time of life. Baby. Ain't nothing but that spade.
Starting point is 02:12:05 Baby! Ojo. You remember that? Yeah, yeah. She know. She remember. I got that spade. Hey, Ojo.
Starting point is 02:12:13 I got spade wood. I got two in a possible. In a 24-hour span, that's all I got for you. Two in a possible. Two in a possible? Two in a possible. Don't hold me to that
Starting point is 02:12:23 because it might get cut. After the first one, I might get cut, Ocho, and I'm done. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. That's all I'm saying. I mean, and let me tell you about Ocho, I mean, come on, huh? Yeah. Let me tell you about Ocho.
Starting point is 02:12:44 Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Ocho, I mean, come on, nah? Yeah. Let me talk about, oh, shit. Oh, that's, let me ask you a question. Ladies, let me ask you a question. Ocho, if you put a hot dog in the microwave for two minutes, what's going to happen to it? It's going to explode, ain't it? Okay. That's what I did. I was in there for two minutes, the hot dog exploded.
Starting point is 02:13:02 Boom, there it is. That's what I did, Ocho. I mean, come on. That's what you want from me. You mad at me? I'm faking you. You got that. I mean, come on now, Ocho.
Starting point is 02:13:17 I mean, they mad at me. Hey. What's about to happen? Hey, come on. Come on now. Work with me. Hey, come on. Hold on. Work with me. I'll never tell you wrong when you're right. Listen, you got to redeem yourself.
Starting point is 02:13:33 You can't go out like that. Listen, you can't go out like that because you're going to end up in the group chat. You don't want to end up in the group chat. You want everything said about you? They ain't going to tell nobody. They ain't going to tell nobody in the group chat going to tell nobody the group chat by Black Hammer. God, they don't want to keep that on the ramp for themselves. I bet that.
Starting point is 02:13:51 I bet that. All right. Okay, I'm just making a show. Listen, I don't want you with no bad reviews like Yelp. I don't want you with no bad reviews. You ain't even talk about my goddamn co-hosts like that. Hey, not only, hey, my stars, not only are they logos, they're ratings. You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
Starting point is 02:14:14 You better stop playing with those shit. Mm-hmm. Shit. But I mean, Ocho, you should be happy. Yeah. A man trampolining you for 45 minutes Oh, something wrong with you That ain't it
Starting point is 02:14:29 Something wrong with you Man, come on now Now I can understand that As long as you go If you go in multiple rounds Obviously, you know It's going to take a little longer But I'm saying
Starting point is 02:14:38 Something wrong with you Excited I ain't going to lie I'm excited Something wrong 45 minutes? Manited. I ain't going to lie. I'm excited. I'm, hey. Mm-hmm. Something wrong. 45 minutes? Man, look here.
Starting point is 02:14:48 Who the hell? Unless you clocking out at 5 o'clock and you work for Bane Brothers? What you doing? What you trying to prove? You know, I turn to the side like this. You already know where I'm going to go. If you want to see, hey, I'm sitting on the couch. Yeah. And I turn to the side like this.
Starting point is 02:15:06 Once I turned back around at that point in time. Yeah. Ain't no turning back now. But I mean, I mean, but Ocho, a woman should, if a man,
Starting point is 02:15:21 if a man, look, I mean, sometimes you get excited and you have premature, you know what? Right. Right. Right. If you got that, if you got that, sometimes you get excited and you have premature, you know what. Right, right, right. If you got that, if you got that, if you got that Sega. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:15:30 That's what's supposed to happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Most of the time I do. That's why, that's why you got to double back. You got to double back. They give you five minutes.
Starting point is 02:15:41 Give you five minutes to recover. Ocho, i promise you with that with that diamond on me yeah nothing that's that real that bad look here oh joe what that made it real that made it real i'm talking hey i'm talking about i'm talking about car proper hard you're going to do an old car that old dad, that steel. Back in the day, I ain't talking about that rubber bumper. Yeah, I got, you know,
Starting point is 02:16:08 baby, I need to get one of them blue diamonds. Man, look here, man. You ain't real. Don't let him do you like that real. Nah, I'm going to try that.
Starting point is 02:16:18 I'm going to try that. I mean, I got to. I got to know so I could be able to talk about it with you. So I'm listening to you and your experiences.
Starting point is 02:16:25 I want to know what that's like. I can't be left out. I got to. I got to know so I could be able to talk about it with you. So I'm listening to you and your experiences. I want to know what that's like. I can't be left out. I got to know. I'm going to figure it out, though. Where I get it from? CVS or Walgreens? You can have your doctor write you a script. Oh, I need a prescription.
Starting point is 02:16:37 Yeah. Okay, I got something I can get. Hey, man, they hot now. They about $800 for you. Who? They about $800 for you. Who? They're about $800 for you. No, I'm good. I'm good.
Starting point is 02:16:49 That's all you had to tell me. I'm good. Ocho. Ocho. Hey. They pass ID when you put that diamond on them. They pass ID right here, Ocho. You get that and grab it.
Starting point is 02:16:59 I got to grab an Oscar out of Tony. That's what they pass out when you put that diamond on them. I ain't lying to you, Ocho. I don't want to go out there and get you that right now. They're giving out of Tony. That's what they pass out when you put that diamond on them. I ain't lying to you, Cho. I don't want to go out there and get you that right now. They're giving out trophies. I'm going to get me one because I ain't never won shit. I'm going to get me something. Man.
Starting point is 02:17:14 I'm going to get me something. In this corner. Black diamond. Let me ask you a question in MMA 5 minutes title fights yeah
Starting point is 02:17:29 5 rounds boxing 3 minutes 3 minutes 4 rounds hey Ocho I ain't gonna lie to you I schedule it for 12
Starting point is 02:17:39 probably gonna make it out to 3rd probably gonna make it out to 3rd somebody getting KO'd O. Somebody getting KO'd, Ocho. Somebody getting KO'd. Somebody getting KO'd, Ocho. I'm just telling like it is. I'm coming in hot. Everybody bad, Ocho.
Starting point is 02:17:59 Hey. Hell nah. Bad, please. Hell nah. Hey, you get one of those, Ocho. Bad please. Hell nah. Hey, you get what I know, though, Joe, you straight. Hey, hold on. We'll be back on Saturday after the playoffs, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:13 We're out tomorrow, right? Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. You and I are back on Saturday. Yeah. On Saturday. You know what? Saturday, I'm going to get that blue diamond. Saturday saturday i'm gonna tell you how it went once we finished talking about the game okay yeah i got you hey oh you're gonna think i look bad i could i i
Starting point is 02:18:34 man i was like i was like a drug i couldn't you without it right i was right i see i don't want to get addicted now i just i just want i just want to be able to no she's gonna get us she's gonna get addicted yeah yeah all just want to be able to... No, she going to get addicted. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We going to work on that. I'll try to build.
Starting point is 02:18:52 Yeah, we're going to work on that. You know, I'm a heavyweight. I lay heavy. I ain't going to lie to you, Ocho. I lay heavy. Good luck, John. Mary, you in trouble. Now, if you would have donated $50, Big Daddy is mine. Chocolate teddy bear. Ocho, I, you in trouble. Now you have to donate a $50. Big Daddy is mine.
Starting point is 02:19:06 Chocolate teddy bear. Ocho, I DM you my number. Hook me up with Shannon. Two minutes is good. See, that's what I'm talking about right there. See? Don't judge me. Don't judge me.
Starting point is 02:19:17 Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You go to Six Flags. You go to Universal Studio. How long do rides last? Two minutes. Give you the thrill of your life. I long the ride last? Two minutes. Give you the thrill of your life. I'm with you when you're right. Now you're making sense.
Starting point is 02:19:31 You hear me? Now you're making sense. Now you're making sense. So I ain't got no reason to be in there all goddamn day. No. You just gave me an analogy I could use. Yes.
Starting point is 02:19:47 I like that. Yes. Matter of fact, you fact you know what i ain't got no pen but i'm gonna put that in my notes in my phone let me put that in my notes because next time she talked trash about me oh that was three minutes what you expect me to do well hello you ever seen a boxing match i've seen people get knocked out in the first round and in one round only three minutes I got it baby I ain't gonna lie to you I got it scheduled for 30 or you don't fight 36 minute 12 three minute round I got it scheduled for the whole 12 now it might go to the cards
Starting point is 02:20:14 we might go to the judges card right baby based on my history somebody get knocked out by the third by eight on my history, somebody getting knocked out. By the third? That's all I got for you. I'm sorry, baby. I'm sorry.
Starting point is 02:20:33 Bro Antonio Roberts said, Uncle 84, the man above says, we need to find a woman with a meek, quiet spirit. You gotta leave these superficial, loud chicks alone. She out there. I know. I mean, I can get to the quiet, but the ones be yelling so loud I mean by the I do I'm
Starting point is 02:20:50 but that's look I just over here chewing the fat with y'all I used to be like that I ain't like that no more right ain't like that no less either man I'm just looking at Ash over here laughing. Nah, man, look here.
Starting point is 02:21:09 I know it's right out there. It's out there for you, now. It's out there for you. Sometimes you got to find it. Sometimes you got to let it find you. Okay. As long as you know it's out there. As long as you know it's out there.
Starting point is 02:21:25 As long as you know I'm on them diamonds. Just like, you know, sometimes you go into a relationship, baby, I smoke a little weed. Okay, you know, I like to go with the boys. I drink a little bit.
Starting point is 02:21:33 Right. Okay, baby, just so you know. Okay. We cool, you cool with that? Hey, wait, one round fight. we cool you cool with that hey week one ralph i i mean no i got a schedule i got a schedule to go to distance to 12 or to the or to the train i trained i did my cardio i got my lifting in. I've been eating healthy. I got it scheduled to go to full 12. There's a 90% chance
Starting point is 02:22:09 it's not going to go past three. And as you enjoy all you want to. And you know. So. I like it. I wish I could tell him something different uncle i've heard you say that you should date someone who likes you more than you like them
Starting point is 02:22:30 is there a story behind that yes um for me at the end of the day i want somebody that really loves themselves gotta love themselves and because I can't be a hype man. I can't tell you every day, 50 times a day, how fine you are, how great you look, how sexy you are, how fortunate I am to have you. At some point
Starting point is 02:22:58 in time, you're going to have to have that within yourself to know you're attractive, to know you're smart, to know you're funny, and to know all the things that you want reassurances for. But you need to know that even if I don't tell you that on a given day,
Starting point is 02:23:11 you know it. God damn. So, I think the thing is, if a woman, because here's the thing, normally the women that you like don't like you as much as the women that like you.
Starting point is 02:23:31 Yeah. Normally, that's 99% of the time. That's it. So that's my story behind that. I'm sure somebody else have a different story, but that's mine. Uncle Nocho, big fan of y'all. Got a date coming up. Every time I go out with a girl, we have fun, but I fail to take her home.
Starting point is 02:23:53 Any advice? I mean, damn, that's what you're trying to do? I mean, they used to be like, you date. I mean, I guess today everybody hears this story about trying to get, you know, trying to, you know, hit the ball at the park on the first night. Yeah. I guess if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, I don't lose no sleep. But I don't go in with the attention.
Starting point is 02:24:17 Me, honestly, I don't go with the intentions of that. Who? I don't. Shit. Nah. Ain't got no time to waste. My antenna, my antenna too far. My antenna up. I just can't. Shit. Nah. Ain't got no time to waste. My antenna, my antenna too far.
Starting point is 02:24:26 My antenna up. I just can't, nah. No means no. Maybe means no. Yes means no tomorrow. Nah. I got to get to know you.
Starting point is 02:24:36 Cause the last thing, nah, I can't even put myself in that situation, don't you? So. Boy, that went in and out Man I ain't got time
Starting point is 02:24:47 Baby too What's happening Okay Straight to dinner Straight to the room You ain't wear that Bad God dang
Starting point is 02:24:56 Real You mother did Yeah but see See you doing all that See you a full service Glover Toes Elbows
Starting point is 02:25:04 And all in between Everything So i mean so she ain't never been detailed like that yeah okay when you go when you go get you when you go your your bmw ev when you take it to the car wash you want to detail don't you yeah okay but i mean that's that's exactly what she got oh she got detail. But everybody, I mean, the 1984 Pinto, you know, it's not a Pinto, but you know what I'm saying. It don't get the same service.
Starting point is 02:25:35 So, I mean, you got to save some of that, Ocho. Save it for who? Save it for what? Everybody shouldn't be able to get the Baby D. You can't put that tone on everybody, Ocho. We ain't talking about that already. I ain't been with everybody but I'm just saying I'm talking
Starting point is 02:25:47 I'm speaking on one specific but I'm but I'm saying you can't do that from the dough I mean you coming in from the jump yeah you got to come in from the jump what you waiting for what you waiting
Starting point is 02:25:59 what you waiting for you wasting time you wasting time boy life is short man life is short, man. Life is short. Tomorrow ain't even guaranteed. Tomorrow ain't guaranteed. You might as well if it's right there in front of you.
Starting point is 02:26:13 Look here. Hi, Ocho. Hi, Shannon. Hola, Ocho. This is Faith. My birthday wish for you is that you get a shot to appear on First Take. We're proud of your growth and pray you keep growing. Remember God doesn't call the qualified. He qualifies the
Starting point is 02:26:30 call. Let him use you Shanna. Hashtag 85 love. No. Ocho said he didn't want to be on first take no more. So listen, I'm going to be on. I'm going to be on there anyway. Y'all ain't going to have no choice but to bring me on because what's going to happen is at some, I'm going to be on there anyway. Y'all ain't going to have
Starting point is 02:26:46 no choice but to bring me on because what's going to happen is at some point I'm going to get fed up. And I know the people at ESPN. I know how to get in the doors. They're going to let me in the doors. I will have on a suit and I will just come plop myself up in a seat and sit down there and talk football with y'all
Starting point is 02:27:02 or whatever season we in. And listen, I don't even want to come on there all the time. I just want to come on there once. You just told me the other day. Y'all remember when Ocho said he didn't want to come on first take? I said that? Yep. You said you didn't want to change.
Starting point is 02:27:17 How you all in our business? Yeah, tell it real. She said that real though. She wasn't even here. She was here. She wasn't here? Yeah, she was here. Oh, she said that real, no? She wasn't even here. She was here. She wasn't here? Yeah, she was here. Oh, she said she was watching live.
Starting point is 02:27:30 So, you know, sometimes I say things I don't mean. Just one time. One time ain't going to hurt. But let me tell you what the ratings are going to look like that day, though. Hey, make sure you hit that subscribe button make sure you hit the like button guys we're doing an unbelievable job uh the the the episode with cat williams is now at 42 million my goal is i want to be one of the first two one of the few guys to have a 50 million viewed uh video so guys thank you for liking it. Thank you for sharing it.
Starting point is 02:28:05 Hey, do your boy a favor. Go watch it again. I mean, I'm sure there's some things that you missed. Because I really want that record. I want to pass Joe Rogan. I think I could get to 50. I really do.
Starting point is 02:28:20 And that would be a huge honor. Hell, I didn't think I'd get to 20. I didn't think I'd get to 30. Damn sure I didn't think I'd get to 40. But 50, you start'd get to 30. Damn sure I didn't think I'd get to 40. But 50, you start getting 50 million, you know, they're going to have to come see you, boy, because your boy got some good interviewer skills. Howard Stern was talking about it, boy.
Starting point is 02:28:33 They talked about you today. They was talking about it on MSNBC. They said Joe Biden should go sit down with Shannon Sharpe on Club Shea Shea. Why did I get that? That's a good one. Joe Biden is not as exciting and controversial. But people are going to watch it.
Starting point is 02:28:49 Think about it. That's the sitting president. That's President Joe Biden sitting down. Come on now. Yeah. Just make sure he don't trip over nothing. No, I got it. I got it.
Starting point is 02:29:01 I got it. I got it. That would be a good one. Young Willie Will, what's up? Shout out to Ocho. Can you give me a birthday shout out even though my birthday was yesterday tonight? God damn, Willie, you should have called in yesterday then. Young Willie, happy birthday.
Starting point is 02:29:15 Happy belated birthday. Happy belated birthday. Yeah, Young Willie. Hey, keep up the great work, man. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Hey, Uncle Ocho, love the show. Ocho, do you and Rae work out together? If yes, what's her routine? She looks amazing. Yeah, we work out together. Matter of fact, we work out together in the morning at eight o'clock. She has a different routine than I do. She has a personal trainer that's working on some of the
Starting point is 02:29:40 things that she wants to perfect and work on. As far as me, I just, I free flow. I free flow for myself based on what I want to look like and what I feel like working on that day. Now, obviously two days I do legs, two days I do, two days I do arms. No. Yeah. Two days I do arm. One day I do chest. And weekends I take off. Yeah. They working out. I'm working out too. I work out, you know, she working out of the out. I'm working out too. You know, I work out,
Starting point is 02:30:07 you know, she working out in the back and I'm working out behind her. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah, I feel you. One day you'll look like this, huh? But we the same size, man. Ocho,
Starting point is 02:30:18 look at that right there, Ocho. We the same size. That 55, had to walk 56, Lord spare my life, and the sun don't, and the river don't rise. We the same size. If you think about it. That's what I hold him. I had to walk 56. Lord spare my life. And the sun don't, and the river don't rise. We're the same size.
Starting point is 02:30:27 If you think about it. That's what I hold them. See, Ocho, you see how that thing peak like that? That's what I'm holding them on 180 and up. That's what you get
Starting point is 02:30:34 when you hold them 180 and up. All right. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. Wait till you see what I look like in March. Man, I don't want to get too fine, Ocho, I don't want to get too fine, though, Joe.
Starting point is 02:30:47 I don't want to get too fine. You know what I'm saying? Michael McClaren, San Broncos fan, 1990, 30 years old. Please write a book. Bless you. Every quote your beautiful grandmother parents gave you through it
Starting point is 02:30:57 gives us through you. Man, I thought about it. I mean, I've had a lot of opportunities. A lot of people have reached out and said I should write a book. My, my sister ain't gonna let that happen. So right now she's the, uh, she handles everything. She's the matriarch. Um, and so whatever she say, go, I listened to her. Um, she's been, she's been my angel, my guardian angel. She's always been there. As a matter of fact, she just left the, uh, as a matter of fact she just left the uh as a matter
Starting point is 02:31:25 of fact she just left this morning what the hell she left this morning she was uh she was out here so uh no to the book no to the book no to the book no to the book no to the book you don't say it on your back you know it's all about timing it's all about timing that's it all these diamonds on me i ain't got no diamonds on me i ain't got no diamonds on me where are we where are we now subs okay please make y'all make sure you hit that like button make sure you hit the subscribe button thank you ladies and gentlemen for joining us a not tonight we are now at 739,000 subscribers Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us tonight. We are now at 739,000 subscribers.
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Starting point is 02:32:55 And go on and get you a bottle. Hey, please, make sure you get your boy the 50 million. Because they ain't talking enough about me. I mean, they started talking about me when they got to 20 and 30. Can you imagine what they're going to be talking about in chat when that thing get to 50? Go to help your boy get that thing to 50 million. I know y'all can do it. Because y'all like to see Unc win. Because Unc
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Starting point is 02:33:29 See, I told y'all, this all dunks. I ain't doing nothing but dunks for the next week. Yeah, what's that right there? Yeah. That's Tiffany, Tiffany color, Tiffany blue and black. Yeah, and get us tonight. Go and hit that subscription button to make sure y'all get nightcap to a million. Ocho, on the low load, they upset about that.
Starting point is 02:34:01 Because they've been at this thing, some of these people have been at this thing three, four years, and we tracking them down. Right. Oh, yeah, yeah, we coming four years and we're tracking them down. Right. Oh yeah, yeah, we're coming. We're coming. We're tracking them down, Ocho. Are we coming? We're tracking them down, Ocho. Hey, this is like when you had to track me and somebody, they're coming to get you and the crowd be like, woo, woo,
Starting point is 02:34:20 woo. Yeah, we're coming now. But we told them we were coming. Ain't nothing you can do about it. See, the thing is, a lot of times, Ocho, people like to sneak up on you. Nah, we told you we coming. We came in banging on cans,
Starting point is 02:34:33 on anything to let you know we're here. Oh, yeah. That's how confident we was in our material. That's how confident we are in our content. That's how confident we are
Starting point is 02:34:43 in our own ability. It's not what you do it's what we do we do yeah and no no disrespect to nobody else no we don't got to disrespect anybody we just got to do what we do and we'll let we'll let the we'll let the viewing and listening audience decide that's all we do yeah uh let's spin around the horn Coach Saban retires Pete Carroll is out as Seattle head coach Mike Vrabel is out as the Tennessee Titans head coach NFL releases
Starting point is 02:35:13 their second all-pro team we're going to have that up in the link Jared Goff said there's a chip that chip will never leave him for what the Rams did with the trade hold on what else we got Stephen A Stephen A for what the Rams did with the trade. Hold on. What else we got? Stephen A.
Starting point is 02:35:29 Stephen A. You my dog. Okay, you got that off your chest. Let it go now. Put it to bed. Put it to bed. Let it go. Let it go.
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Starting point is 02:35:54 I'm going to a track meet this Friday, baby. I'm going to see you in Louisville this Friday. Daddy going to be there. I'm going to have the blow horn. I don't mean to be ghetto, but I'm sorry. I apologize. You're going to hear the blow horn. I don't mean to be ghetto, but I'm sorry. I apologize. You're going to hit me in the stands. Pat McAfee announced today that Aaron Rodgers will be done as a guest for the NFL season.
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