Nightcap - Nightcap - Part 2: Shedeur impressing at Minicamp + Bengals Rookie Leaves Camp

Episode Date: June 15, 2025

Recap the best NFL topics of the week as Shannon Sharpe & Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson reacting to Shedeur Sanders impressing at Browns minicamp, Bengals rookie Shemar Stewart exiting minicamp, and much more!01:41 - Anthony Richardson to get second opinion on shoulder05:13 - Dan Campbell wants real Lion on sideline09:41 - Marvin Harrison Jr. yoked up this offseason15:31 - Rookie Shemar Stewart has left Bengals mandatory minicamp27:12 - Charter debut achievement patches on practice jerseys31:00 - Trent Williams plans to play into his 40s38:00 - Shedeur unbothered by lack of 1st team practice reps(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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your stomach start to hurt, so you stop. Yeah. You see what happened? So Daniel Jones right now is the starting quarterback for that. Absolutely. 1000%. Okay. Daniel Jones isn't the answer either.

Just FYI. It all depends on what's the question. Name the quarterback that went to Duke. He's the answer. When you say he's not the answer, I just need to know the question you're asking first. Listen, Daniel Jones is not the answer. I don't care what people say about Anthony Richardson,

him being heard, he was inconsistent last year, whatever it may be, Daniel Jones isn't the answer either. And that's no disrespect to him. I'm just being honest. We saw a large sample size of what he could do in New York in the biggest market. Yes. Biggest market.

With some decent talent around him. You know, I think from a supporting cast standpoint, it's a lot better in any form. Oh, for sure. Man, they got Jonathan Taylor in the backfield. Look at those receivers, they got Pearson fit and and and and and pivot jr And yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they got some talent over there now Offensive line defense isn't bad. Yeah with no excuse if you know, it can't get it done here

Then you are the problem Damn man, and I was am or Joe. I'm gonna turn around here for Anthony Richardson. Oh Pick the wrong time To have this type of injury cuz like I said, maybe it's a C Jordan something like that. He went to The Kerlin Joel clinic out. No, the Neal Eltrash. Remember, I was telling you about him. Why are we waiting to do it now and not doing it when the season ended? I don't know. Did he have surgery then? Maybe he's throwing because a lot of times, you know, they bring extra quarterbacks in, you know, Joe, because they don't want the quarterback throwing

so much so early, so soon. And sometimes they just get dead arms. And, you know, got to, you know. I don't know how much he threw in the off season, you know, because as a pitcher, you know, you got to throw. Right. He might be overdoing it, man. There's a possibility of that, too. We don't know. We just... Two years ago. Yeah.

Yeah, if he's having, I think it's his AC joint, isn't it? He had surgery after his rookie, well remember he missed? He only played like three or four games as rookie year because he got that shoulder and he had surgery on it. He got him he got here. They're saying that he's experienced soreness in that throwing shoulder that he had surgery on. Damn. Lions head coach Dan Campbell wants to have a live lion on the team sideline at Ford Field,

but the NFL said, hell no, despite owner Sheila Ford, hemp approving it. Sheila said, had no problem with it. But the league apparently frowned upon those types of things. You know what? He'll be a perfect college coach. Cause they definitely let you have anything. They let you have a Clydesdale,

they let you have an elephant, a Panther. Ellis, you got what? A flight out and join like at an Albert Yeah, I'm a told pardon my pardon my take Ocho I mean You want to lie on the sideline yeah, yeah should I like that so listen now all that does it gives me another idea Obviously, I'm not playing but I could have McKinney imagine me playing for Dan Campbell You know back during those days and a lion on the sideline and I got it it gives me another idea. Obviously I'm not playing, but I could have, can you imagine me playing for Dan Campbell? You know, back during those days

and a lion on the sideline. And I got, I get to come up with a celebration after scoring, using the lion, using our mascot. Man, man, yeah. I can see me jumping in the cage. I can see that lion tear your ass up in that cage. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. NFL say, the last thing the NFL won't that if a lion mess around and break up out that cage yo Joe. But don't know listen don't nobody know no part of that when you got on pads and all. Because here's the thing people don't realize like you see a lion on television and you're like, ah, he ain't a... But when you see that po-po in person, up close, yeah, all right. 400 pounds are all muscle. Hey, I want you to think about it for the people in the chat that have cats, right?

Just think about this. Think about the people that have cats and how quick and agile your regular home domestic cat is. Now you take a foal, how much they weigh on? 400, 400, average, a male lion. 400 pound lion that has that same type of agility and Quickness just for some reason they sleep 23 hours a day and can still jump out man. It's dog. They have medicine Unbelievable unbelievable and they so damn lazy

Hey, they sleep half the day to a day hunting night to night, get their little hunt on, get their little aid and just chill. Yeah. What a life. Bro. Nah, like I said, in college, you know college, they let anything go. They have goats and they have rams and they have, you know, even Colorado,

they can have Ralphie running on the field. Yeah. Oh, who was that? Oklahoma got Boomer Schooner, Boomer Sooner, and then the little mini horses. Yeah. NFL said, nah, we good. I like it though, that would be dope.

That would be dope if they could implement mascots that were, that referenced the teens, but had the real mascot outside. Well, we got a, we got, we got mascot fun to run on the field every time they score touchdown. The horse? Yeah. Yeah, see every team, I'm saying every team,

the bangle should have an actual bangle tiger. I mean, I think it would be dope. It'd be fun. You got your damn bye. I'm just being honest. Well, the Cowboys, they do have a Cowboy. I mean. So I'm just being honest with the Cowboys. They do have a cowboy. I mean So I've tried to figure out the Giants how they go get a mascot. How tall he gonna be go be dead. Are you gonna be?

Goliath the Giants. What is the Giants mascot? I'm trying That's it. Yeah Okay, I Like it. I like it. I'm just trying to figure out so. The Seahawks, the Seahawks having a Seahawk? Yeah. The Colts obviously having a horse, I'd assume. The Chiefs, that's easy.

Who else we got? Broncos obviously have the horse. Yeah, we got Thunder. Okay, we got Panthers having a Panther. Oh, that would be dope. A Black Panther coming, oh, that'd be live. I'm trying to think, what, a Ravens? It's easy to get a goddamn Raven.

Yeah. Buffalo Bills, can you imagine if they had a big bison? Oh, you want them to run out and feel like Ralphie, huh? Yeah, yeah, get you a real bison man NFL neither they might as well just you know, try something different thing about the NFL. They do not want to pay no money They make all the money though, I know That's how you keep it you keep you keep it you can you make it and you don't you don't spit away with lawsuits. Yeah Marvin Harrison jr. been hitting the gym, Ocho. Even Kyler Murray couldn't believe

how different Marvin Harrison Jr. looked. When asked about his transformation, Kyler said, hell, I thought it was AI. Yeah, he yoked up, he's more than you, Ocho, he got you. Nah, we about the same size. Nah, Ocho, he got you, Ocho. I'm bigger than Ocho Jr., I'm bigger than Jr. Nah, Ocho, he got you, Ocho. I'm bigger than O'Junior, I'm bigger than Junior. Nah.

Trust me, man. Trust me. What y'all think? Y'all think Ocho bigger than M.H.J.? All they gotta do, look at me, man, look at this. Man, look at him. No, look at me, look at this. This is McDonald's, man.

What you talking about, man? Yeah, Yes. He got real good chicken breast. You know, he probably had some Oh broccoli cauliflower, maybe a little carrots a Caesar salad kale salad Arugula something like that Me what you talking about man, but it's real boy Talk about hey my eight. I I'm a full seat cup like I can't I gotta put I gotta put my tea I gotta get an egg One size smaller t-shirt just to keep my chest down

You're still a small Not what this is a 2x You know it ain't this This is a 2X from H&M. I can show you. Show me. H&M. See it? God damn! Joe send me some uh, some shorts.

What's that? Talk about these with two X. What's that? God damn them things little, huh? That's what I'm saying with two X. Hey send me them. Man, you gonna them reformers? Hey, what kind of shorts them is?

They're supposed to be yoga shorts. Oh, they're supposed to be small, huh? No, they're not, not for me. Nah, you know, hey, yoga, you support, I ain't never did yoga, but I'm supposed to be free, you know, really how about free with those little tiny-ass things And you don't want nothing baggy though. Hey, I gotta have my I have to have a junk strap old bad No, you're supposed to have all baggy stuff in yoga, oh

No, you want you want to be free? Uh, nothing that's free baggy is free not constricted Okay, no, you want to be free. Uh, nothing- That's free, baggy. It's free, not constricted. Okay, I got you. Joe, I don't know, I think you might've mis-sized these. Joe sent a day with Joe. I told Joe to send me some too, man. So we'll see you tomorrow, Joe. Oh Joe, according to Ian Rappaport, James Cook is present at mandatory minicamp and he sets a new deal.

James Cook had his simple response to why. I like my money. That's why I'm here. Cook adds he plans to fully participate in training camp. They gon' take care of him. They gon' take... and listen, at the running back position, you really can't play that game with them boy. No. I'm just being honest, but they do not play that even though I review you. They're also on the outside looking in, we view you as a tier one running back along with Saquon and McCaffrey and the boys, but you really can't play that.

They already don't value the position as it is, as well as you did for the Bills since you've been there, but they will replace your ass quick. And feeling they can find someone else that can do the same stuff you can do. Nah, don't do that, don't play that game. I'm glad it's at Minicamp. I'm glad it's at Minicamp. Yeah, man, three days missed Minicamp,

over 105,000 in fines. And you know, back when you and I played Ocho, if you got fined, signed a new contract, the team could forgive that fine. Now they can't forgive a fine. You can't forgive it. Yeah, you can't forgive it. Yeah, you don't play with that money.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. All show, Shamar Stewart is no longer at the mandatory minicap amid ongoing holdout with the Bengals over language they want to put into its rookie contract. Per Adam Schefter, Stewart left mandatory mandatory many caps due to contract dispute. Stewart, the number 17th overall draft pick, is one of four remaining unsigned first-round selections from the 2025 draft. His situation appears to be the most contentious from that group. Pro Football Talks' Mike Florio reported on May 24th that the issue between the Stuart and the Bengals involved a phrase in which the contract would

allow a default in the current year to trigger a default in all remaining years. Yeah. Hey, hey, Uncle, it's Governor. Just think about it, Uncle, just think. You get a contract. Let's just say for the sake of argument. I get a contract. I got a five year deal, I got a four year deal, the fifth year option, they can pick it up. So let's just say, at my rookie year, I do something. Yeah. Contract detrimental, I get suspended, NFL, whatever, the NFL suspended me. Not only can they take the money back that first year, but year two, year three, year four, they get that guaranteed money too.

Oh, hell no. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And listen, as a player and chat, y'all stay with me real quick. I'm not sure. Again, I asked this, we talked about it the other night.

I asked when it comes to Stewart, what does his background look like? What has he done in the past? What did the Bengals find out? Like, we're gonna take a chance on this young, unknown as young kid, because he's a tremendous talent, but there must've been some red flags that we don't know about.

It has to be, because there's no reason that the Bengals are trying to set a precedent, all of a sudden, out the blue, with this individual, as good as he was in college, wanted you to, and you wanted to draft him this high. I'm not sure what it is. And if, if it's something that other teams knife, if it's something that other teams did, okay, I understand.

I understand that. But the fact that the matter is with that fine language, don't allow it to default money from years down the road. I would be a year to year thing. Like if you mess up this year as a rookie, well, all that guaranteed money, your rookie year, boom, young boy you're not touching that. But all the money to come as guaranteed moving forward on later years, that's a no-no. As much as I love my bangles, I mean I just don't see and I don't understand what the issue is or why they're doing it. Well the NFL

should institute a fine. If a team gets fined for doing something, all the money, the money that you would get in subsequent years would go away. So that the money the money that you would get in subsequent years would go away so that 425 million dollars that you would get in 2026 if you had something that go wrong in 25 you don't get 26 27 or 28 money hmm I wouldn't go for that right exactly why do you expect players why do you think because you're in an advantageous situation that you want to say well look take it or leave it hey take your ass back to the draft young man I was gonna ask you now absolutely now can you opt out and go back into the draft again and be drafted by something else that's something that

the players Association would probably get the lawyers involved with the NFL because look you go back and look normally what happens Ocho quarterbacks are different, but normally you look at what did the player get that was drafted in the same slot in 2024? And normally he gets a 10% raise. So let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, he got 20 million.

Yes, sir. 10%, that's 22 million. Okay, now you work on incentives and things like that how much of the money is guaranteed because now you look at the top five top six guys their entire contracts are guaranteed yes sir the entire contracts is guaranteed you get 25 30 million dollars sign-it bonus at the time and then you know you the rest of it so if it's a 43 million dollar contract you get 30 million guaranteed so you know, the rest of it. So if it's a $43 million contract, you get a 30 million guaranteed.

So, you know, you over the next four years, three, four years, you don't get 13 million, but you got your money. So they pro-rated over the length of the contract. Decided bonus, they spread it out. I, the, the bingo's doing this and I, Ocho, I get it. This is a mom and pop shop. Their dad, Paul Brown, left it to the son mike brown Badocho

Everybody got 300 to 325 million dollars. That's before you sold anything any tickets That's any concession any parking pass local tv local radio local sponsorship So you go the nfl cutting checks for between 300 and 350 million dollars before you do anything locally. Yes sir. And you will try to hard time me, tell me you gonna take some money back if I do something in year one and you will take money from year two, three, four?

Now y'all better get the leap out of here. Yeah, listen, this unfortunate, this unfortunate is frustrating, it's frustrating for me obviously being, being a huge, huge bangle advocate, noise riding for my team, the ups, the downs, and us already having issues on the defense end and knowing that's what we need to focus all our attention on and having a player that you drafted so high

and having these issues and having them not be a part of mandatory mini camp and him actually leaving and there's an opportunity and maybe a chance that he can opt out and go back into It just this yes, it's a distraction. This is interesting to see Ocho How have they done this with other contracts? Well, listen, I told you I told you it was a hold-up, you know I mean a little birdie told me a birdie close enough that they had some wording and verbiage and chasing T. Higgins contract that they held it up just a tad bit. Yeah.

Oh hell no. No not us. So this was lingering a little bit, but because they are who they are, they were able to get that you know what about it there. So now we talk about a rookie who is yet to prove himself. You know, we got two that had already been proven. So man, we're not signing nothing until that's up out of there. So now in this case, they ride with it.

They ride with it. They're trying to draw a line in the sand. And so what that means, if they start, because here's the thing, I'm not gonna let you start the precedent with me. Because what you do, if you put it in that, so in 2025, they put this in this contract, guess what all the rookies that signed

with the Bengals moving forward gonna have in their Contract that language you're not gonna start that precedent with me. Yeah, it's not happening. No, it's unfortunate man It's very frustrating very frustrating. No, very. Oh child. Look you notice this today the new patches for the LA Chargers practice jerseys jerseys We miss something. Oh If a rookie do not sign their contract after being drafted, they can reenter the draft the following year. They can also choose to enter free agency and potentially sign with another team if

the draft team's right, them aren't traded. A player who doesn't sign can either choose to sit out a year or reenter the draft later. So, he got leverage. What would you do? Become a free agent. What would you do? I ain't said that, I need money. I got a plan, I can't go back to college,

I ain't got no eligibility. Cause if I could, I'd go back to college and get an NIL deal. But I'm going, I'm gonna be a free agent. Cause I'm sure Cincinnati was not the only team that had him high on their draft board. Right. Now is it something like, what do they call it?

I think they used to do where you used to draft the guy in the summer. What did they call that draft? Supplemental draft. Supplemental. I don't think they have the supplemental draft anymore. But if you took somebody, Bobby Humphrey got drafted into the supplemental draft in 1989 They took Steve Atwater first, but they have a supplemental draft Bobby Humphrey went number one in the supplemental draft, which means the following year the Broncos didn't have a first-round draft pick

So that's how the supplemental draft work If you took somebody whatever round you took him in that following year you lost that round of a draft pick so that following the year you lost that round of a draft pick. So with Shamar, with Amor, I'm sure others had him as a top, as a, as a first round, had a first round grade on him. Right. Okay. Hey, what y'all got for your boy? I'm not sitting, I'm not sitting out on Joe because like I said, I want money. Yeah. I need that. I need that. Listen, we get the, I mean the money part is obviously, but my childhood dream has finally come true. Yes! I will work all the obstacles. I overcame everything. I finally get drafted. Boom. Mama, I made it.

Thank you. Now I get here. Now that's another issue. Now that's another problem. Something that I can't avoid. It's the business side of things. It's the ugly side of things. I hate it. I know young bull wanted to get out there and play. Yes! I understand if he sits out. I understand if he he opts out to go back in the draft. I get it. I understand that he's frustrated. I'm sure his parents are frustrated. The agent probably frustrated and so are the fans. So listen Joe spoke his piece and Joe spoke his piece but one thing about it you know if you know the Bengals if you know management if you know ownership you're not going to bully them you're not

going to make them do nothing they don't want to do you're not gonna set that precedent as if you were the Joe. I know but that's kind of why the Bengals have been in that situation they wouldn't pay Boomer they wouldn't play a lot of their good players and their good players left that's kind of why they've been in the situation. Now you got an ideal situation. The last thing you want, Ocho, going into a season where you have so much hope and promise is distraction. Joe told you, the Trey Henderson is a distraction because you're not asking how we're getting better. You're asking what should they do? I got to keep asking this. Now I to ask answer another question about my first round draft pick and I'm not getting paid and

Them trying to set a precedent that no other team is setting. Yeah Distraction but the Bengals don't sleep But but here that's the thing to Ocho because see there's really no benefit other than your your ownership warning pride That's the only benefit of winning because guess what Ocho? your ownership, wanting pride, that's the only benefit of winning because guess what, Ocho? Whether you get, whether you win the Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Eagles got the same amount of money. Who's the worst? Who picked first? Oh, Tennessee. They got the same revenue. Everybody got a check for 350. So tell me the incentive. See, we normally have an incentive because you can prize money prize money, old joke, you win the event, you get three million.

You get second, you get two million, so forth and so on. But just imagine, would that be any incentive to win other than your pride? If okay, first prize get with five million, second prize, get five million, third prize, get five million. What incentive is that, old joke? So the Bengals really don't have any incentive to do anything because guess what? The NFL is going to cut them a check for 350 million,

just like they're going to cut the Superbowl champion or the last place team. And that's before they sell anything or they have any event in the stadium. And so that's, that's, that's, that's why I mean, it takes a special type. I mean, some ownership, clearly, Harry Roseman wants to win even though the 49ers haven't won. Hell, That's why I mean, it takes a special type. I mean, some owners, yep, clearly, Harry Roseman wants to win. Even though the 49ers haven't won, hell, they go damn near all in every year.

Stan Cronkite, the owner of the Rams, he wants to win. He damn near shoved chips in the middle of the table all year. If you notice, it's only the Bengals that do things like this to haggle and try to penny-pinch. Bro, you getting a check for 350? 350 million on Joe, damn! Hey, listen, I...

Boy, it's frustrating, boy. It's very frustrating, because like you said, the last thing that you want to have happen on Joe is to have it. Why are we still talking about a rookie not signed, and here we are, we're damn near in July. We're damn near in July. We're going to training camp in a month. Yeah. We're going to training camp in a month. And I got to deal with this bull jive. Ocho, new patches for the LA Chargers practice jersey show both personal and team achievement on East Jersey. This is the first form of professional

This is the first form of professional football team Okay, you like this? So okay got captain. I can't read this Is that water and water bottles? Okay. Yeah, so he got like you got a captain So you got the captain's so you got a captain and then you got a star for one year two year three So forth is all and you got Pro Bowl you got a star for one year two years three so forth and you got pro bowl you got all pro if You you got the franchise record most passing yards in the season, okay Oh Joe you had the record for the most receiving yards you would have a patch now you data I mean that would be you know what it's kind of like I guess now like NASCAR you got

I mean this is strictly for practice, right? Strictly for practice. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like it. Now you can put a patch, you can put your patch on there if you have a sponsor, but they ain't in the family if it let you put all those patches on there. Oh no, not without them monetizing

and making some money off of it. That's just not, that ain't happening. But listen, I think it's dope. It is. Yeah, I like it, I do. It's no different than college. You know, Ohio State Buckeyes, I think FSU, you know, they get the Tomahawks and I think

Yeah, you remember how you did the decal day. You got a tackle, you got a big head score touchdown Hey, you know, hey, you know, I need to bring my helmet cuz I had all the things that they was You know, you're on filled up. Oh, yeah, get filled up. Yeah, we have skulls and crossbows. Right, right, right We have skulls and crossbows, old choke Okay. Okay. I mean, I think it's dope it's cool I'm cool I mean this is I don't think you really need incentivize NFL players and reminding them you know their accolades and what they've done what they've done to date but if they feel having it on the jersey and patches is some type of a motivating

motivating tactic I guess it's cool Think about what what you would do when coach say we win this game We ain't got to come in till Wednesday Well, okay, yeah, let me get money to money and money and Tuesday off man stop Hey, they're jokers going. Hey, man, especially if you home Yeah, man guys try to catch a fight on Sunday night to go somewhere Yeah, thank God try to catch a fight outside tonight to go somewhere Yeah, oh hey, all right, hey have a good practice we off tomorrow, yeah, I'm like really do Really y'all gonna do this one. So y'all so in other words y'all been bulljiving the other practices

But it's little things like that Hey,, we're gonna have a cookout. Often, because we always did things offense against the defense. It was always competition. Whether we bowl, we divided up teams and shot, and it was always, we always competed against each other. Right, right, right. And so, I get it.

But I do like that, Ocho, I like that. I like it. Yeah, it's dope, it's dope, it's dope. Something new. Yeah, it's kind of like the All- like it. Yeah, it's dope, it's dope, it's dope, something new. Yeah, it's kinda like the All-Star, you know, All-Star in basketball, they started putting your accomplishment, four-time league MVP, finals MVP,

how many All-Star teams you made, how many All-NBA teams you made. So I like it. You think other teams gonna adopt this, Ocho? I think they will. I mean, I think they will, It all depends. You think about it when you look at the landscape at NFL, there's only maybe three or four players that's gonna have patches on their stuff now. Because they did it with the Walter Payton. You remember Ocho, if you weren't the Walter Payton award, they put that

decal on there. Yes, I do remember that. I do remember that. Absolutely. But I think other teams may adopt it You know some some teams might not really care for it or or want to To go to that extent of adding patches of accolades and what people have done They do that. Hold on. They do that at this at the Super Bowl now You know how the guys come out there in the tracks who's on Tuesday Yeah, if for the thing and you see the MVPs and stuff Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah, so I like I like this I like this I can get behind it might be something new might be some Joe

Left tackle Trent William says his goal is to play into his 40s He turns 37 in July is one of them things that where I'm going to do everything possible to play as long as I can and to put a good product on the foot on football out there and then when it's going my way Then I'll know but I could play until I'm 41 who knows but that's a goal of mine I definitely not going to retire with some left in the tank. So in other words, he said hey when the wheels fall off, oh Hey call Rose out of sister to drag my ass off the field, but until then, I'm playing. That's it. And one thing about it, someone like Trent, someone of Trent Williams' caliber, as good

as he is, can play well into his 40s as long as he can stay healthy. Yep. Long as he can stay healthy. That's all it comes down to. And he asked, obviously, the older you get, the more technically sound you gotta be. The older you get, the more technically sound you gotta be because I'm young bulls, you know them becoming they screaming off that edge I'm gonna work. What they are coming as great as he is Got you. They got to make sure that kicks there right now. You better anchor down. So

The thing is now oh Joe guys do a better job of taking care of themselves regardless of position And even though they might not have the most aesthetic bodies guys take better care of themselves, right guys take better care So they do they just do because I got to leave guys were still smoking cigarettes I'm gonna call the lane. Well, God was still smoking cigarettes. Hey, we get a break, guys going to their car, they standing outside their car, they smoking. Like I said, the funny thing I see, I saw Greg Towson at the Raiders. I mean, we walking in the first game of the season,

we playing on the road at the old Coliseum. Man, I get out, I'm walking out, walking to the locker room by the time I get there, he's sitting outside on his helmet, smoking. I couldn't believe it. I don't believe it. Oh Joe. Not do did I know guys? Yeah, we had very prominent guys on our team They're smoke but not on Sunday. Yeah, hey, that's funny You know that classic picture of Lynn Dawson? Yes That's exactly how town was sitting on his helmet.

Smoking a cigarette. But you remember that picture there, I think that picture's been black and white. I saw it with my own color eyes. Hey, that's funny, man. It was wild back there. Like some of the stuff, it was wild back there. I didn't heard the story, boy. You ain't got to tell me. Listen, I done sat at Twin Peaks with ALT, and I done got some good stories. I done got to tell me listen. I don't listen. I don't say that twin peaks with LT And I think I didn't got some good stories on I think I some rigors

Yeah, but I don't mean I don't mean to be disrespectful right? But when you play football when you used to fly Airlines domestic was that during the time they could smoke cigarettes on the plane We yes. Yeah, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah Smoking restaurants you got a smoking section or non smoking section Yeah, it's like would you like to sit and smoke in a non? And a lot of people like, well, what's first available? But if you're in a restaurant, what is it about going? You might be back to back with a smoking section dude.

Damn, that's, hey, that's. Yeah. You know what, history always repeats itself, right? No, I don't think that will come in back, Coach O. You don't think so? Hell no, not smoking indoors smoking in door. No now you go to the casino. Oh, yeah Love you know Anything they smoking cigars cigarettes weed all of the club That's what that's what really stopped me from going to the club. Oh Joe. Why me all that smoke man?

You gotta hate you gotta hang your shirt up in the shower and stuff. OK, I understand what you're saying. I didn't know that would deter you from going to the club. Now, I don't like all that smoke. Well, it would deter me from going to the club. I don't like it. Oh, I can't stay up. I ain't no late. I'm an early riser. So I need to be in. Don't forget it. Now, your boy is an early riser too.

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Right, right, right, right. Last call for alcohol. Last call. Last, I ain't trying to be there. Right. I ain't trying to be there. Right. I got it. I ain't trying to... Hey, hey. You still sitting on the stool and the man trying to move the

stool out of the way and trying to clean up and you still there. Bro, take your hat off. Hey, hey, hey, the lights come on. Yeah. And I heard some funny stories like women look different. Women look different. You know, you get a cup of drinks so you know some people that's really not attractive, they look a little different, you get a cup of drinks, so you know some people that's really not attractive, they looking a little different, you get a few drinks in you. And they get them lights on,

and you get to see what you look like, and you know, hey. But what happens when you ain't got no alcohol in your system? Hey, wait, my homeboys say when them lights come on, that's the fourth quarter, you better get what you can. You better get what you can. Nah, I done lost this one. I'll take my chances next time.

As the Cleveland Brown quarterback competition progresses into mandatory mini-camps, Shadour Sanders has often found himself practicing with the backups, while team other passers Flacco, Pickett, and Dylan Gabriel have received first-team reps. Shadour said he's unbothered by practice reps instead of looking to take advantage of every opportunity he gets. Life is just based on how you view different things. Shador said he's unbothered by practice reps instead of looking to take advantage of every opportunity to get Life is just based on how you view different things So you can view things if you're not getting reps in a negative way or you can view it as okay It's my time to get out there. Let's be proactive and let's get warm. Let's get going

So there's no excuses because when you get out there Nobody cares how many reps you got whenever you got in the game. Nobody cares if you took a snap before everybody cares about production. So that's the main thing. When you get out there, you got to be able to produce. Oh Joe. See, I love this response. See now you got me questioning whether or not he was unprepared. When he came to those meetings, I think y'all tried to salt that man up. I've only heard responses like this,

all the press conferences. Yeah, he had to, I mean, when he was in college, you know, he was a little facetious at times, but I didn't never, I never got the inclination that he was unprepared. If the one thing that he was going to be is prepared. Prepared, yeah. His father prepared him, he understands his dad, although he didn't play quarterback,

he understood what comes along with playing the quarterback. I love the way he's answered that question. He's answering the questions perfectly. And the funny thing about it, I got a couple of young bulls out there. I told the Denzel Ward, I told some, but let me say the name. You know, I talked to Denzel Ward, you know. I talked to some, but let me, actually, I'm not gonna say the name. But anyway, I done talked to some people.

He looked different. There's a difference when that young bull is out there spinning that ball, you hear me? Mm-hmm, difference. I'm talking about football. I ain't talking about no media and all that hoopla and all them, you know, on Twitter, they putting up the numbers.

Some of you with 10 for 12 and two touchdowns. I'm talking about when he's at the helm, he looks different whether he go with the first team second team or 13 It don't matter, you know I understand getting drafted in the fifth round all that means nothing when it's time to play football in that whistle blows He looks different than the rest of the competition That's that's what I heard and I'm talking about I'm talking from from from by the word, I'm just talking about from sources that's in that room, that's on that field, that's playing the sport. Man, come on, man.

I tell you. This is something that I can relate to. You can't relate to this. You're a second round draft pick, so you've probably had worse case scenario. You're running with the 2s as soon as you step foot in the camp. But if somebody that was a seventh round draft pick and that was with the third fourth 15 the last guy to get a rep some days Ocho I get one rep. What? I get one rep that's all I got. That's it. Oh I'm gonna cut up. Well you got me man.

I just remember having a conversation with my brother My brother would tell me say man high go I say spring man. I and then oh dang I got like one rep I got like two riffs. I didn't get in today. Hey, is it don't worry about that He say one day John Elway gonna call on you. Yes, sir. Just make sure when he called on you you answer Just make sure you support you where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there That's all the time. He said ah, man, they mess it over. He never said he can't hey, you know what you can do Now you're gonna get your opportunity. It's gonna come. Yeah, and when it comes slowly, but surely I would the threes slowly, but surely I would the twos.

Oh, now, Hey, now all of a sudden, Hey, shark, get in there. I'm in the slot, but I'm running with the ones. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So make the team mainly special teams, but you know, Hey, they call it. He wants somebody. It's a, we ran the ball a bunch.

So, you know, I'm big receiver. I'm blocking, you know, Hey, they called he wants somebody it's a we ran the ball a bunch. So, you know, I'm big receiver I'm blocking, you know, hey didn't matter. I'm blocking for sure Ronnie lot, you know Eddie Anderson all the big time big time hitters, but that's the only thing that my brother told me He didn't tell me they messing over me. He didn't say all he said is that you know what Johnny? We're gonna call your number one day Just make sure you answer and I was like, you know, I would go ask John, man, what can I do better, man? I just wanna be, I just wanna be like,

when you call him, I wanna be there. He's like, hey, just make sure you get your head around, make sure you get your depth on your routes, blah, blah, blah, you know, we run certain drills. He's like, hey, I like that, I like that effort. Slowly but surely. So if I could give, I can't give you no advice how to play the quarterback position,

but I'll say, just keep doing that. Yeah. Just keep doing what you're doing. That's all you gotta do. And people are like, man, you always turn it in. I said, no, what I try to do is that in situations where Ocho and I, we try to do is that if we've been in those situations before, we can tell you how we handle it

We can get go inside because you're talking to people that was in the huddle not somebody I didn't cover the game I covered a game now, but you're talking about somebody that was in the huddle know what it's like on fourth and three There's no what it's like when it's first and go and you're down six So I ain't telling what somebody told me to say. I'm telling you through firsthand knowledge. Yeah. Firsthand knowledge, being in the locker room, being in those meeting rooms.

I love what Shudor said. I love the way he's handling it. I don't know when that time gonna come, Ocho. Yeah. Cause the man say, you don't know when I'm coming. He said you best make sure you be right when I return. Shador doesn't know when the opportunity will present itself.

We gonna be ready. Hey, I wanna get back to this one rep, man. Now that's stuck with me out of everything you done said cause, but they what? Bout to raise hell, you hear me? O everything, you know said cuz but they what about a raise hell You hear me? Oh, I'm a seventh round draft pick. I'm a body. Oh Shit. Okay, my bad. I know yeah about the first round draft pick and I get him with one rep or second round draft pick Yeah, I'm a I'm gonna have some issues too, but I'm a seventh round draft pick And you know the thing is with me I played what I played I played I was the Z receiver

Yeah, so now you don't show you covered the rookie you see you slot you X They throw you in a couple of play the tight row can I learn let me learn one thing right come on now Let me let me let me I'm trying to write cursive and you try to get me to do trigonometry, huh? man One rep and two reps on Joe. That's all we out there for two hours You know, hey Everybody else getting called to get in there and Turner get in there Johnson get in there young get in there everybody get in there Last place sharp get in there. Young, get in there. Everybody get in there. Last place, Sharp, get in there at the Z.

Man, listen. Let me tell you something. Oh, let me take that back. It was called, it was not called a Z, it was called a wing. Right. Sharp, you're at the wing. Hey, you gotta think. And two thousand, man, TJ was on here with us. Remember he told you?

Yeah. I take, I was taking scout, I'm talking about 2005, 2006, I'm talking about my whole career. I ran our plays and I ran scout team. Right. I would purposely the gun on special teams. I would purposefully go on special teams just to keep myself running through the whole practice. And I purposefully took the scout team, whoever the number one receiver based on who we plan. Let's say we plan the Jags. You know we plan the Jags. I'm Jimmy Smith on the scout team. And I take every rep because now I get to work with the number one DB on our team and give him good work so he'd be ready for Jimmy or Keenan McCar there on Sunday.

Yep. And I'm, man, Marvin and Hugh Jackson would have to pull me the F out of practice. But you know, Ochoa Training Camp, it ain't really no scout team. It's ones versus ones. Ones, yes, yes. You don't really get to the scout team

until like that first preseason game. Oh yeah. Because now, okay, offense, you going against the twos, defense going against the two offense, things like that. And then obviously when you get into the regular season, the scout team, you know, go to give that. So yeah, that was, once the regular season came, yeah, I was, that's me. I followed the ball. Right. Whoever the best receiver, I was, that's me, I followed the ball. Right.

Whoever the best receiver, it was Tim Brown. I'm Tim Brown, I'm Slim Brown. Yeah. And you know what I'm saying? Oh, Timmy, man. Timmy was great. That's the same thing, Rod Smith came in, he said, man, he was walking right across from mine.

And he absorbed everything, of everybody that was under the office that I've ever been around. Ross Smith probably was probably my greatest student because he absorbed everything. He said, man, I just want to say, he said, man, I won't, I won't that. I said, what'd you, what? He said, man, the way the crowd cheer you, the way everybody respects you. He said, I want that.

I said, I tell you what, when the scout team come, whoever the best receiver is, you get that Jersey? Hmm, I don't care for your ex. I don't care if you'll see you get that Jersey and you go out there when they say a man Look, you bust their ass Hmm. I like that part. Okay First time foots got in the game. We played in Washington in Denver Three by one, we down.

Hold on, where he at? He the ex receiver. They put him to the side by himself. By yourself. He got Darryl Green matched up on him. Don't throw him to football. He jump over Darryl Green and catch it. We win the game.

Oh, Ron, what Ron? You talk to Ron lately? Yeah, yeah. I talk to Foots all the time. Yeah. Yeah. We ain't him. You know, I still, it's a few guys I stay in touch with a lot. Obviously Burns. I talked to House, who was my backup tight end. Chalk guy was another backup tight end Foots, but I, you know, it's a few guys I still keep in touch with. Yeah. But that's what I tell guys. And a lot of, you know, they say there are conspiracy theories circling that cleveland trying to force the early pigs Yeah, they're gonna do everything they possibly can because they dress they don't want to look bad. Oh Joe

If I draft gilin gabriel higher than I drafted should do it should do it out play them, but that make me look bad If she gets in there, I signed Kenny Pickett as a free agent if he gets in there He outplay performs Kenny Pickett that makes me look bad. So I'm going to give these guys every opportunity to succeed Because I don't want y'all to make me look bad. Now you can say oh, yeah, we didn't have this grade on him Don't matter the grade, because at the end of the day, you got to play. You can get that guy A plus or B, whatever the case may be. But when we get in there,

something got to give. Oh, I've got him some good days, boy. Oh yeah. Oh, yes we did. But I love the way Shadour answer the question. He's like look First team second team 13 when they call my name. I'll be ready Cuz they don't nobody care didn't nobody care that a all the tight ends got hurt and they put a seventh round draft pick In there from the from Savannah State ain't nobody care about that at all

All these songs number 81 sharp, man, that's Sterling brother I wonder if he's as good as his brother hell if I was they'd better have to they took me to South around I'm just as good as my brother somebody do some hell I'm some poor-ass captain but I thought I was oh Joe you couldn't tell that one is good as my brother I broke all his records I did everything that he did everything he did not was he more physically like I was more talented Right. He was a harder worker. Right. So what's like once I got to college? I like man I'm like man

Scott say really come because he was telling me man We had all the scouts from every team I think, the time was like 2018, 2017. Every Scout was here today. I said, oh yeah, y'all have your Scouts? Like, nah, we ain't have no Scouts down here. So I know the opportunity, so I got to do something to make the Scouts come.

Right. That's it, should do or keep doing what you're doing, bro. I love it. I know your dad dealing with some health problems right now, but you've gone through adversity before. When you did Jackson State and your dad had those blood clots, you built for this. You are absolutely 1000% built for this.

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