Nightcap - Nightcap - Raiders Beat Packers & a Dak Prescott Debate

Episode Date: October 10, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson discuss Raiders over Packers, how good is Dak Prescott, kickers, and more.  #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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for eligibility and deposit restrictions, terms, and responsible gaming resources. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. We're a live nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. He's your favorite number 85, one of the greatest rock runners in NFL history. Chad, Ocho, Cinco, Johnson. We're on live, Ocho.

We back in biz. We back in biz, bro. I love it. We got to work on that introduction, man. We got to work on that introduction. You need to get the introduction right. Nope. Nope.

Ocho Cinco, Chad Johnson, the greatest, the greatest route runner of all time. One of the few. Come on, man. We got to do something about that. Okay. We're going to work on it. We're going to work on it. Well, if you go out there and not run a better route than Devontae Adams,

right now, I'll give you that title. All right. You say age ain't nothing but a number. It ain't nothing but. You say age ain't nothing but a number. It ain't nothing but a number. It ain't nothing but a number. It's not. It ain't 32 teams I can't make right now at 55 years old. Guarantee you that.

Bet that. 32 NIA teams. The Raiders beat the Packers 17-13. Jordan Love throws a game-sealing pick in the Packers 17-13. Jordan Love throws a game-sealing pick in the end zone with 45 seconds left in the ballgame. He finishes 16-30, 182 yards, zero touchdowns, three picks.

This game was very, very winnable for the Packers. Jordan Love played bad tonight. There's no way around it. He cost his team tonight. He did. It was a defensive he did it was a defensive game it was a defensive game and if you watch the first half

the first half you might have dozed off a little bit you might have dozed off in the first half a little bit they didn't hit Jordan Lovedon

have a deep ball a deep pass completion into the third quarter about seven minutes ago to Christian Watson I think it might have been a blown coverage he hit Christian Watson

down the sideline and the game itself didn't get exciting until what what, the last two minutes, if you want to be honest? Right. If you want to be honest, it was almost a snooze fest. And I was upset. I'm going to get back to the game in a minute.

I was upset. I thought about the matchup between Devontae Adams and Jair Alexander. That's all I was worried about. I put the tweet up. I put the popcorn. And this is going to be worth the price of admission. What did they do to Devontae Adams the entire game? They bracketed him. They bracketed

him whether he was on the inside or whether he was on the outside. I was really excited to see the matchup between Jai Alexander, Rasul Douglas, and Devontae Adams and I didn't get that because Jacoby Myers went slap ass off. He went slap ass off. And that's what you need.

Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. You got it. Go ahead. No, go ahead. I said, you got to have somebody to pick up the slack. If they're going to say, you know what? The Packers said Devontae Adams is not going to win or beat us tonight.

And that's exactly what they did. And Jacoby Myers stepped up and played a hell of a goddamn game. And that's what you have to have. You have to have a guy on the opposite side that when they take the number one away, when the defense say, you know what? We refuse to let 17. We don't believe anybody else can beat us. We know 17 because he has a resume that says he's one of the,

he's one of the best in the game and has an opportunity to be one of the best in NFL history. So we know what he's capable of. Jacoby Myers, if you can beat us, oh, well, we walk to the center of the field at the end of the game and we tip our hat to you. The thing that I like about,

I think one of the greatest things that I learned about Tom Brady and watching him over 20 years, he understood early on what type of game it was going to be. If it was going to be an offensive game, he's like, I need to be on my best behavior. I need to make sure I'm throwing. I got to stay nip and tuck right there with Peyton Manning,

right there with Tom Brady, Ben Roethlisberger, whoever the case may be. Excuse me, Patrick Mahomes or whoever the case may be. But if it was a defensive battle, he also understood that. I can't take unnecessary risk. I can't put my defense on short fields. I can't make their job tougher than what it needs to be. Jordan Love, I think

as he matures in this league, he'll understand early on what type of game this is going to be. And points are going to be at a premium. And the last thing you need to do is to put your defense on short fields. Yeah, most definitely. And the fact of the matter is, coming to this game,

the Raiders only had one interception in four games since the season started. Hell, they had three tonight. And because it was a defensive game, Jordan Love has to understand and know, I have to protect the ball. I got to protect the ball because it's hard for us to score. We're getting close to the red zone, but the Raiders' was a bend but don't break type of defense tonight. And the opportunities that you do get, just facilitate the ball and whatever the Raiders allow you to have. Then, if you got to dink and duck the whole night, then so be it. Dylan had a decent game, moving the ball up and down the field. And, you know, take what they give you. But then some of the deep shots, letting

some of the balls go, not reading the defense, staring down your receiver. Yeah, that second interception, I don't know what he was looking at because had Spillane not picked it, hey, it looked like Crosby. I think that was Crosby behind it. Anybody was going to pick it or at least knock it down. So I don't know what he was looking at because like you said,

he was staring the receiver down the entire way. So Spillane just followed his eyes yeah but he's gonna have to understand is that the type of ball game that he's in the last thing because points are at a premium nobody's really moving the ball the last thing that i want to do is set my defense up on a short field because the raiders offense was struggling to move the ball also so you just don't want to give them short field position because at worst case scenario, they walk on the field, kick a field goal. And now you've gifted them three points. Jimmy G was 22 or 31, two Oh eight, one touchdown, one bad interception.

But the one thing about Jimmy G is that he, he like, they took Devante away early, but when they got in that red zone, they started working him. Yeah. I'm just trying to figure out why you walked to Sam Backer. Why would you put Smith in that situation? Why would you do that? Listen, I

don't know what they were doing, but I'm glad they did. I don't know what they were doing, but I'm glad they did. At some point in that game, I was angry. I was sitting there angry that the fact that the Raiders are allowing the Packers to dictate whether he can get the ball or not. So we going through a whole game. We went to we almost got to the third quarter. I'm like, wait a minute, man, he got one catch at the half. So you allowing another team to dictate what we're allowed to do or what we're going to do offensively.

Sometimes you got to be the aggressor. i don't i don't like that even though jacoby was able to get off john jacob was able to do what he did and trying to keep the chain moving and jacoby myers obviously had a hell of a game but come on offensively we can't allow a team to take away our number one threat you can't you can't do that can't. Let me tell you why I'm going to disagree. If I got a Patrick Mahomes, if I got a Tom Brady, a Peyton Manning, one of those elite-level quarterbacks,

what is Jimmy G known to do? Turn the ball over. So you really want Jimmy G forcing the ball in bracket coverage? I mean, not forcing the ball, but we just, wait a minute, there's film on somebody

by the name of Puka Nakua. Puka Nakua? Did I say it the right way? Sorry for butchering your name, brother. I know you're going to see this. I love you anyway. But do you see what they do with him as a rookie? Yeah.

As a rookie being able to come in? This is the copycat league. What do we do? Copy what they're doing with some of the stuff that the Rams are doing and implement it into your offense for Devontae Adams because he can do the same goddamn shit. Unless you come in with a big name, they're not respecting Puka Nakua.

That's just, I'm sorry, Ochoa, now he's having an outstanding season and he had 39 catches for over 500 yards in his first four games, but he's not coming in with the cachet of, say, a Randy Moss. And so they're not going to pay him the kind of attention that they pay a Devontae Adams. So now we got Devontae. I'm not letting Devontae get off.

Okay. And Jimmy G, the last thing I want Jimmy G is forcing anything. Right. Take the swing, take the check down, take the wide open. Right. But when you – because he's turnover you already know he's turnover prone. They call him Jimmy Gag for a reason. Don't do that.

His name is Porn Star Jimmy. I ain't never heard of Jimmy Gag. That's a new one. Porn Star Jimmy. So the Raiders get a much-needed win. The Packers, man, they're going to be kicking themselves because this game was very, very winnable for them. Jordan Love's going to have to understand the type of game that he's in.

It might be a game that he needs to throw for 300 yards and three or four touchdowns, but this wasn't the night. This wasn't the night that he needed to dress up. He needed to bring work boots, a hard hat. This was the type of game. This was going to be not an up-and-down down a race car type of ball game. But I think this is the first season starting. It was third or fourth year in the league.

So that's going to come with time. And I think the coach will get him in there. He'll say, look, son, these type of games happen. But you need to understand earlier what type of game that we're going to be in and play and play football accordingly. And this is the funny thing about it. Jordan Love is having a good year. He's not having a bad year. He's not having a bad year. He's not having a down year.

But the fact that the shoes that he has to feel, he's playing exceptionally well to this point outside of tonight. I mean, outside of tonight and a few other games and a few other mistakes that he's made. Obviously, it's his first time starting. And once you get your feet wet and you get your gears grinding, mistakes and nights like this, you will learn from when you watch film and you won't make them later on in the future yes uh going back

michael called out uh george kittle for wearing the f dallas t-shirt said kittle shirt made the game way more personal he also said the 49ers will laugh not not cry later. He also said, I don't think the 49ers are at a higher level than us. I think we're the same caliber playoff team, same talent, same standards. I just feel like we need to reconsider and fix some things. The score doesn't really show what happened out there. Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. Oh, Joe, I don't know.

Maybe because I don't watch TV with the sound when I'm watching sporting events so maybe but was he at the game it was 42-0 yeah he was there

he was there but that's how he feel about his team I like it too for one listen Makai can you lie to yourself

Micah Makai I be butchering everybody's name Micah but he's not lying to himself because he feels that team is that caliber, especially defensively.

They just didn't show up that night. They just didn't show up. You have nights like that. You know that, right? Nights like this, I wish that rain drops. Yeah. I had the same conversation with Ray Lewis and Rod Woodson early in the 2000 season.

I said, you do realize they don't take defenses to the Super Bowl. They take teams. So it don't matter how good you are. So he keeps saying, oh, I'm good. We're good. We're good. But you can't go anywhere without that offense. Did he see that they didn't get scooping scores? They didn't get pick-sixes.

They didn't run a punt back. They dropped 42 on y'all. Can I ask you a question? I'm raising my hand. They didn't run a punt back. They dropped 42 on y'all. Yeah. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Can I ask you a question? I'm raising my hand. So do you think that Cowboys offense, with all the weapons that they had,

Brandon Cook, CeeDee Lamb, Tony Pollard, do you think they're going to continue to play like that offensively throughout the rest of the year? I'm just curious. You know things are going to turn around. At some point, that offense is going to be hitting on all cylinders, and then the tides are going to turn, and then you're going to have to praise them at some point.

You do know that, right? It's not going to stay like this. It's only week five. It's only week five. Okay, week five. So I'm going to take week five of the 2023 season. Yes, sir. What about the seven-year history we got of Dak Prescott

leading this Cowboys offense? Wait a minute. Is that a large enough sample size? Hold on. Last time I checked, every time the Cowboys have played the last time with Dak Prescott at the helm, they've been in the playoffs. So that's what that is.

And what happens? You're basing everything off the past. The fact that you have a chance, the fact that the Cowboys are always in contention each and every year, that's step one. Are they really in contention? Yeah, they're in contention. If you're making the playoffs, you're three games away from the Super Bowl.

No, you're not. You're three games away from the Super Bowl. Hell, I'm 5,000 miles from China. I ain't trying to walk there. Wait a minute. Wait, stay with me now because there are 32 teams, right? There are 32 teams in the NFL. Yes. There are certain teams in the NFL. Yes.

There are certain teams that have hopes of being in a position to actually even have an opportunity to play in the playoffs, but they know good and goddamn well they ain't going to be there. At least the Cowboys can go into every season knowing with Dak at the helm, okay, we're going to be in playoff contention. Let's fix what we need to fix to make sure we can get past the goddamn first round. The Cowboys are the team that dresses up, put on their Sunday, put on their, you know,

they dress to the nines, they got on their ninth designer, and they go out and don't get one number. The Cowboys do this every year. You already know how it's going to end. They're going to make the playoffs, and they lose it in the first round. When was the last time? You know, Ocho, I mean. They're going to make the playoffs, and they lose it in the first round. When was the last time?

You know, Ocho, I mean, I'm trying to think last time. In 90, in 96? So, no, the last time they went into the championship game was 95. So, they went to the Super Bowl and won in January of 96. How old were you in 95? Me? 95. 14, 15? No, no, no.

I was 25. I was 26. Think about that. Yeah 25 i was 20 26 think about that yeah that's crazy that's crazy exactly but but but again obviously the brand itself america's team jerry jones i mean at some point the ties are going to turn for the cowboys when when will it will it be this season so let me ask you so is the star good or is it just the rating? Because I'm trying to figure out. Yeah, the brand. You can't talk about the brand.

Forget the brand. All right, you know what? Forget the brand. The product on the field is good. The product on the field is good. It hasn't been great. No, listen to me, Nat. The product is good.

Dak Prescott, stay with me. I want you to do me a favor. I want you to compare Dak Prescott stats to Patrick Holmes so far this season and watch how identical they are. I know you got somebody right there in front of you. I know you. I know you. I know you.

Ocho. Ocho. Ocho. Let me stop you. I know good damn well you just didn't compare Dak Prescott to No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not comparing them as quarterbacks. Listen to me. I said statistically to this point, the quarter poll in the season,

where we are right now, let's do a side-by-side comparison of the stats so you can see how close they are in comparison to where we are right now at the quarter poll in week five. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to – listen, I'm being respectful to everybody. I'm just saying compare them where they are right now at the quarter poll in week five. That's all I'm saying. I'm not trying to – listen, I'm being respectful to everybody. I'm just saying compare them where they are right now. I know what you're going to say. I know what you want to say, but just stay with me a little bit.

Do the comparison statistically. Bro, I mean, for you – I mean, do you understand? I mean, you don't like criticizing players. I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing. I'm criticizing. Do you understand how disrespectful you are to Patrick Mahomes? By just saying, talking about stats. Patrick Mahomes is 4-1.

Patrick Mahomes is a two-time league MVP, a two-time Super Bowl MVP, two 5,000-yard seasons. And you said, you know what you just said? You say, compare Dak's stats. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm talking about this season. You talking about what Patrick Mahomes did in the past. I'm not worried about the past. We focus

on the now. The only season you should be comparing is paprika, pepper, salt, basil, all that other stuff Patrick Mahomes and Dak Prescott do not blame. They don't even blame Blown in the same book. I don't like when you do that. I don't like

because that's really... Now, what you just did is disrespectful. Listen, Dak Prescott is... You know, you have your tier one quarterbacks, right? The quarterbacks come in tiers, right? You got your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, your Jalen Hurts, your Lamar Jacksons, your Josh Allens. Like, what you're not going to do

is you're not going to sit here and tell me that Dak Prescott is not in that tier. Let not going to sit here and tell me that Dak Prescott is not in that tier. Let me ask you a question. Would you take Dak Prescott over Trevor Lawrence? You talking about me personally? I'm asking.

Are you asking me personally? Yeah, I'm not. Your name Ocho. Would you take Dak Prescott over Trevor Lawrence right now? If I said you got one quarterback to go

start a game with tomorrow, you get Trevor Lawrence or Dak Prescott, which one you taking? It don't matter. Either one. Either one. It don't matter. Give me either one.

It don't matter. You get a quarterback. Pick one. Stop this waffling. You ain't Switzerland. Pick one. I'm going with Dak. I'm going with Dak.

You got your damn mind. I'm going with Dak. Justin Herbert or Dak Prescott? I'm going with Dak again. I'm going with Dak again. I'm going with Dak again. I'm just saying. Why am I out of my mind? What you just saying?

What you just saying? What you just saying? Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? Yes. With all due respect to Justin Herbert and Trevor Lawrence, what do they do that much goddamn better than Dak Prescott? What do they do that much goddamn better than Dak Prescott? Let's be do that much? Goddamn better than Dak Prescott.

Let's be real. Throw touchdowns, not interceptions. So if, hold on. Everybody throw interceptions. What are we doing? Do you realize that led the league in interceptions after missing five games?

That was last year. We still talk about last year. How many interceptions he had yesterday? Oh, he had three, but he had one up until that point. That was, they were in a situation. He was forced to throw the ball.

That is why that happened. Hold on. I want you to say you said he was in a situation he was forced to throw the ball. Forced to throw the ball because of the score. Yes, because of the score. So in other words, when he wasn't up 40 to nothing or 38 to three or 27 to nothing. Yes, sir. He couldn't hurt the Cowboy.

Think about what you just said. Listen, we, listen, we, we have to understand situational football. Understand situational football and understand the position that they were in at the time where you're forced to throw the ball and all the goddamn, the great, probably the best defense outside of the goddamn Philadelphia Eagles, all they had to do was have a goddamn umbrella and play shell and it's easy to

pick the ball off. Based on the predicament that the Cowboys were in. Let me ask you a question. They weren't playing shell to start the game. Who played shell to start the game? Who opened the game up playing shell covering? Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. So now, again, now I got to see, you talk about this year're right. You're right. So now again, now I got to see you talk about this year.

Let's go this year. I've got a seven year sample size. Right now, is seven years long enough? Because normally in medical studies, they do studies like this. They study diseases for the length of time that Dak Prescott's been in the league and they can give you some really good data. And what does the data show you about Dak Prescott? Okay, you know what the data shows you? The data shows you also that Dak Prescott gives you a better chance than everybody else out there that is available.

Because there's a reason that they're available and Dak Prescott is in the position that he's in. There's a reason that Dak Prescott got his goddamn money from Jerry Jones for a reason. There's a reason that Dak Prescott got his goddamn money from Jerry Jones for a reason. There's a reason because he gives them their

best chance to win. Things aren't going the way they should right now. Right now. We only in week five. We can't hit the panic button just yet. First of all, and you said something that was factually incorrect. Patrick Mahomes has

10 touchdowns. Dak Prescott has five. Okay. 10 to five, so two to one in the same amount of game. So you want to rephrase what you said earlier? I'll give you an opportunity. No, I don't want to rephrase anything. I just meant the totality of all statistics that come with the quarterback in general.

But we don't need to get into that right now. We don't need to get into that. We just put a poll up because we're doing live on YouTube and they said, who would you rather have? Justin Herbert or Dak Prescott? Right now Justin Herbert is winning 90% of the votes. Dak got 10. Wait, huh?

They what? You sure? We put a poll up live. We can put it. You want Trevor Lawrence? Can we put another poll up to put Trevor Lawrence? No, no, no. Listen. Them people that play football?

Them people that's polling, do they play football? I don't play football. Who don't play? I'm just telling you for me. For me. Everybody has an opinion. Everybody has an opinion. Some people go Trevor Lawrence. I'm not going to let you hide behind. Let me ask you a question.

I'm not hiding. I take 32 general managers and I give them a pick. You get Dak Prescott or Trevor Lawrence. How many GMs taking Dak Prescott over Trevor Lawrence? We don't know.

We don't know how we know. That's a hypothetical question. That's what you do because when they ask you to pick the game, you pick it hypothetically because you don't know. You do realize that's why you're here. So you think all 32 GMs going to go with Trevor Lawrence over Dak?

I didn't say all 32. I bet you Trevor Lawrence get more votes than Dak Prescott. Based off what? Based off what? I'm just asking. Based off what? What are we basing it off of?

What are we basing it off of? Stop it, Ocho. Hey, listen. I'm saying Dak Prescott's resume is better than Trevor Lawrence. So how the hell everybody picking how he leapfrogging over Dak already? What are we doing?

Come on. Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence is in year three. You know that, right? And team, Trevor Lawrence went down 27-0 in a playoff game

and walked somebody. Do you realize Trevor Lawrence is getting more bows than Dak? He had 91%. Okay. You know what? Something wrong with your meter. Something wrong with your grading scale. Something wrong with your grading system over meter. Something wrong with your grading scale.

Something wrong with your grading system over there. Something wrong with your grading system. Because you know what? People see better than they hear. See, my grandfather used to tell me and my brother, he'd tell us to take the trash out. Yeah. But when he'd come back home, guess where the trash was?

Still in the corner. He'd say, now y'all told me y'all was going to take the trash out. I see better than I hear because I see the trash, but I heard what y'all said. I hear what you're saying, but I see what these votes are telling me. 91% of the vote. You know what I think?

You know what I think? Where people are swayed and swindled because of the media and the love for the Cowboys and the attention that they get as the team. I think they're happy when things aren't going well. So when we do small things like this, just very small things like a simple voting on who people would rather, a Trevor Lawrence or a Dak Prescott, they automatically just go with the opposing player

because they just sick of anything Cowboys related. I bet you Jerry Jones would take Trevor Lawrence or Justin Herbert right now over Dak Prescott. I bet you. And I bet some. I bet you he would. Because I know you know Jerry, and I know he answered the question

because he liked the attention and he liked the show he ain't going to answer that question because he ain't going to answer that question nor should he but you know I do know some things you don't even ask

because you already know the answer never that my grandma said my grandma always said a question that's not asked it have you looking like a fool no you don't

you don't even have to ask you don't have to ask is water wet that's how you feel are you asking is water wet are you asking is fire hot yeah fire is hot. Okay, so you don't even have to ask, do you? No.

Okay, I'm going to say it. Now, hold on. But I'm looking. What makes – listen, I can see if the 49ers won on a walk-off field goal. I can see if they put a last-minute drive. How can you say you close to someone that stomps you out, that beats you 42-10? Oh, you're talking about what Micah said.

What Micah said. Yeah. He has to feel that way. What is he supposed to say? And obviously the disrespect, well, I don't want to say disrespect because I'm all for the engagement and the fun. Also, that's what it took. It took a shirt.

Now, they kicked your ass out of the playoff the last two years. Now, they did that. It should have been personal. It should have been personal. Right, right, right, right. Hold on. Did you see Greenlaw haul it up off his feet and dump him on his head? That wasn't personal to you.

But George Kittle hauling up his shirt saying, F the Cowboys. Now you teed off. That's what got you, man? Listen, we have to understand, understand the landscape of what the Cowboys had to deal with.

Arguably the best, the best statistically and the product on the field, offensively and defensively. I thought the Cowboys statistically was the best. Their defense is good. Their defense is good now.

Come on now. Don't do that. I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. I couldn't tell. Sometimes you get games like that. You got some games your quarterback can throw for 400, 500 yards. You got some games you throw for 180, 200. They just happen to be one of those games.

Remember I just told you I see better than I hear? Now I hear what you're telling me about that defense, but what did you see? Yeah, I saw they didn't have a good game. I saw that. Based on the juggernaut they had to go against. The juggernaut of Debo Samuels. The juggernaut of Brandon Ayoub. The juggernaut of Brock Purdy that lives with a roommate.

Hold on. You just told me the Cowboys were a juggernaut. You named them. Dak Prescott, Tony Paula, C.D. Lamb. Wait, whoa. The Cowboys have been a juggernaut defensively outside a Dak Prescott, Tony Paula, C.D. Lamb. Wait, whoa. The Cowboys have been a juggernaut defensively outside of two mishap games.

The Arizona Cardinals and the one against the 49ers. Are we taking that away from them? Are the Cowboys a team or are they just a defense? Because I'm confused right now. Because all you keep talking about the defense. What is their identity? Every team has their identity.

Where's the Cowboys' identity? When are you going to mention their offense? That's not their identity right now. Their identity is defensively. But that's not what you just told me. You just told me. You mentioned Dak. You mentioned Pollard.

You mentioned CeeDee Lamb. You mentioned Brandon Cook. You mentioned Gallup. Gallup, yeah. You mentioned all those guys. Now, all of a sudden, you ain't mentioned none of them. You're talking about the defense. And the defense just got 42 dropped on them.

I know. And I was trying to explain to you game to game. Explain it to me something. Listen, game to game, things are going to change. This is one. Both sides of the ball was flat. The offense and defense was flat. Can I ask you a question?

Yes, sir. How young is your youngest child one okay what's the next age after that 13 okay i want you to explain it to me like i'm 13 the cowboy situation so your 13 year old he comes in it comes he or she comes and sit down to you and to ask you a question i want you to explain the dallas cowboys in that situation that demolition job that they got put on them last night. Explain it to me as if I'm 13. Well,

if you 13 years old and you, my son, I'm going to tell you, son, they got their ass kicked. Now move on. Just like that. Go outside and play with your friends.

I ain't going to curse, but just like, just like that. Just like that. That's a good, that's a good one. But listen, the funny thing you ain't,

Shannon, you know, the NFL, you, you understand how it works. But listen, the funny thing, Shannon, you know the NFL. You understand how it works. One week, you look horrible. One week, you look horrible. And next week, man, they're going to be flying colors and looking like America's team.

That's just the way the game works. They play the Jets. They play the Patriots. They play the Commanders, somebody like that. They have an in-up offense. Sure they will. But what happens when they play someone that has a comparable offense, that has a comparable play caller?

What have we seen? Yeah, you're right. All right, you're right. I can't argue with that. Most of the 49ers rosters have played in three of the last four NFC title games. Something to get Cowboys. Half the Cowboys

was in elementary school the last time they played or junior high at the latest the last time they was in the NFC title game. Because I'm trying to think the oldest player on that roster might be Tyron Smith.

Tyron Smith is probably 34. So I'm, so at 95, he probably was about 11 years old. Yeah. That's crazy. Do you realize the last time they played the NFC title game, Tony Pollard

wasn't even born? But the last NFC title game was what, 96 or 95? It was the 95 season, but you know it rolled into the... Hold on, let's just say it rolled into 96 and Tony Pollard still wasn't born.

Hey, so you ain't gonna get a cowboy, no type of grace, huh? No type of grace? No type of leniency, no nothing. C nothing cd lamb wasn't even born i mean so you keep on talking about what the cowboy see you basing on and the cowboy fans are living in the past you say we're trying to come to this year i'm coming to this year yeah the cat the cat was The Cowboys three and two, right?

Cowboys three and two, right? Cowboys above 500, right? Yes. Okay, ain't no need to hit no panic button. Ain't no need to hit no panic. C.D. Lamb was born in 99. That man was born in 99. That's crazy, man.

We getting old. Yeah, we're craving. man we getting old the Cowboys been living on 95 and beyond they been living on the triplets for a long time the triplets old men the triplets granddads Michael a granddad hell Emmett might be a granddad for all I know I ain't talk to him in a minute

Troy might be that's crazy like when you put the numbers behind it, when people were born that are playing now, we getting old, man. No. Some teams have a standard. The Chiefs, the standard is

division, AFC title, Super Bowl. The 49ers, division, NFC title, Super Bowl. The Cowboys, we got the most views. We got the most rabid fans. Oh, we love, we sell more t-shirts and paraphernalia than anybody. That's the all standard.

Jerry, all Jerry cares about, look at the brand. You even mentioned the brand. What about the brand? It is. It is the strongest brand of all 32 teams. It just is. It's the way it is. I'm sure Jerry wanted to win some titles too. No, he don't. He wants to win his way.

He wants to win his way. That's why he has fucking coaches. His way worked before, didn't it? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, with Jimmy? See, the difference is, see, he wasn't able to swallow his pride. Do realize, the last time

they won a Super Bowl, Michael Irvin was 28 years of age. Emmitt Smith was 26. Troy Aikman was 28. They were in their absolute prime. And Jerry ruined it because of his ego. You see what ego do? You see what that'll do to you? Think about it. They had a young Larry Allen. Larry Allen

might be the greatest offensive lineman ever. Was probably 24. Real deal. 25. And Jerry Ego. And they had pride. Huh? You think Ego got in the way,

or that just the business, the nature of the business, or the nature of the beast in this business? Jerry got upset with Jimmy because he couldn't get credit. Because it was Jimmy that was doing everything. And Jerry wanted some of the credit. And see, that's what happened.

So Jimmy, Jimmy, I mean, not Jimmy. Jerry Jones is getting in his own way. Mr. Kraft said, I don't care. Y'all ain't got to give me none. I'll sign the checks. But I tell you what, guess what? I ain't got one, not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, six.

I got six of these things. OK, I see what you think about it. Yeah, you're right. You're right. Sometimes, you know, I never thought about it like that, though. I never I never thought I tell people all the time. They're like, well, my grandmother basically raised me. She got on a train and came and got me at three months. My daddy came back and got me at seven months. And I was with my grandmother for two years, since I was two years of age. And people were like, well, you know, your mom.

I was like, no. I said, because sometimes the best decisions don't involve you. My mama could have felt some type of way. Talking about them, you know what kids. I gave birth to them. No, they come with me. She said, nah, my kids would be better situated instead of being on the south side of Chicago

and rural South Georgia. But Jerry couldn't see past that. He would rather blow it up and get credit as opposed to sit back, keep his mouth shut, and keep winning those titles. But hey, that's neither here nor there because young Emmitt, young Troy, young Mike Irvin,

and that team ain't walking through that door again. Right. You're right. You know what you got to do now? Did you see the 49ers? What? Make the most of what you got. Make the most of what you got. Look here. Jerry is releasing injury reports.

Who's going to play? He's talking to the team. Man, can you imagine? I couldn't even imagine. And I look, Mr. B, I only had two owners, Mr. B and Art Modell. I couldn't imagine Mr. B addressing us before Mike talking to us. I can't even imagine Mr. B talking to us before we go out.

I have a question. Is that a bad thing, having an owner that truly involves in the team where most owners just upstairs and that's as far as it goes? Where do you think Jerry at? Is Jerry looking at film? Is Jerry watching film? Is Jerry at practice?

No. They're telling Jerry what's going on. Stop it, Ocho. Oh, no, I don't know. I don't know. I never played for the Cowboys. I just look. I'm from the outside looking in like you.

You a little bit more, you know more on the inside as opposed to what's going on in that dude. I know owners ain't watching no game film. Yeah. Okay. I got you. I got you. He's getting told what Mike McCarthy and he goes all that and regurgitates it. And then everybody, man, you see Jerry.

Man, Jerry ain't watching not one tape. Jerry ain't watching nothing. He's got one college player, one free agent. He get the report written up and that's fine. I got no problem with that. Right, right, right. But this notion that Jerry is doing all this. No, one free agent. He get the report written up and that's fine. I got no problem with that. But this notion that Jerry is doing all this. No, Jerry ain't crazy. Listen, honestly, I didn't know because he speaks so much on the team and his involvement

and what's going on. I really thought he was really like day to day, like really in the trenches like that. I'm just being honest. He ain't watching. Did you see the 49er fan proposed to the Cowboys fan? Nah. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Who proposed?

Did she say yes? She did say yes. She said, yeah. Well, that's going to be a crazy household, man. But no, it's not as crazy as you think. It's not like an Eagles fan or a Cowboys fan proposing to somebody in the other, you know, that's a division. So I'm thinking like, okay, a 49, a Cowboys proposing to an Eagle or a Washington football team proposing to a Cowboy or a Giants proposing to an Eagle.

Now I'm like now or an Alabama proposing to an Auburn. Now I'm going to say, man, that's going to be a mess. Yeah. That's going to be a messed up house there. Because I don't know. I mean, Ocho, could you date or marry someone when the rival is as intense as that because, you know, they stand on their side, you stand on your side?

Yeah, definitely. I definitely could because you got to remember that's only six months out the year. Football season is only six months out the year. So am I able to compartmentalize and remember and think, I am marrying this woman in front of the man upstairs. For goodness and in health, I forgot the words to the thing. But for them three hours, when that game is on, man,

I don't even see you. We in this. No, she better not bring it up. God, the in this. No, she better not bring it up. God, the man upstairs know she better not bring it up if my whole team beat mine. That's what the man upstairs know that because he know how I'm wired. I ain't going to even lie. You going to be upset?

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We played a 21. I beat him. I beat him 21-17. Man, LeBron. No, I ain't. Listen, listen. I can tell the way you look. You can't shoot no hoop.

Man, listen. I wouldn't lie to you. That's why I took my glasses off. I want you to see my eyes. Like, I'm really like that on the court. On the court, I'm really like that. I beat LeBron 21-17. Have you ever heard the song Lying Eyes? Nah.

Nah, but man, listen, you know me. I think you heard the term lazy. Man, trust me. I lied for you before I lied to you, man. You lying to me, too. I'm not, man. I beat him 21-17 for $1,000. Like, I'm like that on the court. And he didn't know that until we played. He was like, god damn, Ocho, you quick as hell. I beat him 21-17 for $1,000. Like, I'm like that on the court. And he didn't know that until we played.

He was like, God damn, Ocho, you quick as hell. I caught him off the dribble and he fell. Like, yeah, I'm like that. I just chose not to play basketball. I like soccer. You played the sport you was supposed to play. You wasn't going to be able to play any other sport. Ooh, I'm a hooper first.

I'm a soccer player, then I'm a hooper. Listen, ask him. First of all, you never saw a soccer player, then I'm a Hooper. You did, would you? First of all, you never saw a soccer ball until you got to college. You was born in Liberty City. Yeah, I know, I know. I never said I did, but I'm just saying. Listen, I ain't trying to name drop nothing. Ask Carmelo, ask D. Wade, and ask Westbrook what I did to them

when we played 101, when they was prepping for the season. They came to me to get ready for the season. What? On NBA 2K? No, I'm talking about real life. Working on transition. Working on footwork. Man, they came to me.

Man, I used to do them boys in, man. I could come off the bench for the Heat right now. Sixth man of the year. Right now. No games. I'm like that, man. You just think because I'm old. Age ain't nothing but a number, man.

And your number is old. That's your number, old. Let it go, Ocho. We all got chef lives. We all got chef lives. And mine different than everybody else's. No, it ain't. Something is going on in New England because the guy that used to never make

excuses, Coach Belichick, blamed the rookie kicker struggles on the new video board. And I'm trying to figure out because here's where his argument is flawed. Because he never kicked without the video board. So all he knows is the video board. To say the wind has changed the trajectory in the stadium, well, that's all he knows. Now, if that was Vinatieri or that was Gostkowski, if that was Nick Folk, you would have a legitimate argument because they kicked before the video board was up. But since he has no history, no prehistory, we're kicking without the video board.

How is that an argument? Wait, can you help me? Give me a little bit more context and understanding. How is a video board affecting the kicks in any way? He said because the stadium, it used to be there was no board. And so the win, the kickers took into effect, took into account the win. But this kicker is a rookie. He never kicked without the video board.

So what is he taking into account? Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. He's struggling. I think he's missed four of his eight field goal attempts. And so he's struggling. And so when you have the longevity that you have with Ben Terry,

who's one of the two best, I think Tuck, he and Tuck are right there neck and neck. He's just had more opportunities in bigger moments. Right, right, right, right. You know, the Tuck rule game in bigger moments right right right you know the uh uh uh the tunk rule game he kicked the game with you know the game time uh uh field goal in the game winner and the super bowl he he's walked off to super bowl clutch but yes so with that being said to to i'm just trying to figure out what kind of uh adjustment is he making right the

kicker needs to make when he never kicked in the old state the stadium without the board we know that's that's funny that you do say that i'm i'm sure obviously in new england in new england that wind is is gusty at times especially this time of year actually from this time of year all the way up until up until january it's going to be windy so what does a kicker need to? What does he need to do in adjustments that he needs to make? As a kicker myself, you do know I can't kick so I can make a testament to this. Kick rocks with a bull jive.

That's what you can kick. Kick rocks. I want you to go outside tomorrow. When you go outside to get in your car, I want you to take your shoe off and the first rock you see, I want you to kick it. With your big toe. Are you really... So you don't know nothing about my resume? You don't know I was a backup?

I know your resume. So you know I was a backup kicker for Cincinnati for 11 years, right? You do know that, right? If I kicked it and got hurt, I was a backup? Good thing he never got hurt. So you don't act like you ain't seen me kick a field goal in the game and kick off when he pulled his groin? I can kick off.

Who can kick off? Everybody kicked off in high school. Let me state this one more time. So you've never seen me kick in a game and we won the game based on one of the field goals I kicked, one of the extra points. No, no, no.

I saw that in the preseason. So, wait. What preseason? Regular season? What does that matter? It's still in the game. It's in the game, right? Really, Ocho? Really It's still in the game. It's in the game, right? Really, Ocho? It's in the game. Are we doing that? But let me tell you what the kicker needs to do.

What he needs to do is understand the wind, understand the trajectory and which is coming off that scoreboard because it's going to always be the same no matter what when you're kicking that way facing the scoreboard. All you got to do is adjust your steps. Adjust your steps, your alignment. Take your finger. Do it like this. Put it in the air. Understand where it's coming from and make

the proper adjustments that's necessary and always kick away from the wind three to five inches when you kick and it will always veer back to the middle. Boom. Problem solved. Why would he take advice from you?

Would you take advice from him if he tell you how to run a D? Why wouldn't he tell you? Why wouldn't he? Okay, go ahead. If he was telling you how to run a speed out or a bang eight, would you take advice from him? I listened to him, but let me, can I finish? Let me tell you something. Why wouldn't he take advice from me? Cause I'm, I play let me, can I finish? Let me tell you something. Why wouldn't he take advice from me? Because I'm, I played, I was a kick in NFL and I'm perfect.

I'm perfect. I had perfect execution. I was Justin Tucker before, I was Justin Tucker before Justin Tucker. Take my hand. I was Robbie Gold before Robbie Gold. Lead me on. Let me stand. No. Let me stand.

No. I am trying. I'm taking advice from people that did this or coached this for a living. That's not what you do. I did it for a living. I did it in a precious situation and I was clutch. Don't take that away from me. Don't take that precious moment away from me.

That meant a lot. That meant a lot to me. You drove a car with a clutch. So you had a manual. So you had a manual car. Okay, okay. So did you grind the clutch? I mean, do you know how to drive a stick? It might not be important to you,

but the fact that my number was called to come out and kick a field goal to win a game, whether it was preseason or not, it could have been maddened. I don't care. I was clutch and I'm one for one in life. What does that make me? A goat. How much how much longer is this situation with Coach Belichick and Mr. Kraft going to go on? Well, because remember, we talked about this last night. Right. Pro sports aren't like college sports.

Coach K had a lifetime contract. He could have went on and on. They were never going to get rid of Coach K. Coach Smith in North Carolina, Pat Summitt, they had lifetime contracts. Pro sports doesn't work like that. Wait, so you don't think Bill Belichick has a lifetime contract based on what he's done for that organization?

No. No coach has ever had that. Whoa, whoa. Ain't no coach ever done what Belichick has done. Ever. Now, what we need to do is talk about the elephant in the room. What is it that Belichick needs to continue that reign of success that he had with Tom Brady?

Start drafting players. Start drafting players. Wait, he's been drafting beautifully all these years, so all of a sudden now he's the problem. All you need, this is the NFL, right? You understand, you know the NFL. Yeah, not for long, right? When you look at the landscape of all the top teams in the NFL right now, they all have a great what?

A great what? What do the Eagles have? What do the Chiefs have? What do the Cowboys have? Quarterbacks. The Jaguars. Exactly. Hold on.

Guess who's picking the quarterbacks? Guess who's picking the roster? Who? Who picked the roster? Who picked Matt Jones? the roster? Who? Who picked the roster? Who picked Matt Jones? Who picked Tom Brady? Who picked those receivers? I'm just saying, who picked Tom Brady, though?

Oh, Allah. Who picked Tom Brady? Have you looked at Coach Belichick's record without Tom Brady? Yeah, but again, you're not, again, this is the difficulty. This is the difficulty with people. The casual fans don't understand on how hard it is. They find a quality quarterback. Who knew Tom Brady would turn into the greatest of all time?

You never know. You never know. Because if coach Belichick thought he was going to be that, they'd have drafted him in the first round. Now, wouldn't he? They wouldn't have waited until the sixth round. now, but see,

here's the thing with Tom, but Tom Brady allowed coach Belichick for all those Bethel Johnson's. That was a miss. All those Chad Johnsons, that was a miss. All those Chad Jacksons, that was a miss. All of those Kimbrell Tompkins, that was a miss. Brady erased that. All those running backs that were a miss, Brady erased that. All those DBs that were a miss, Brady erased that.

Yes, he hit with a Richard Seymour and a Vince Woolfolk and a Gronk. Yeah. But look at all those misses that he got in free agency. Remember now, he drafted two tight ends and ended up cutting them and going out and signing two in free agency. Look at, look at, hold on. What was that receiver that he took number one

that ended up going to Chicago? What was his name? Wait, recently? Oh yeah, Nakia Harry. Nakia Harry? Okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Okay. Brady.

Look what Brady did. Brady got no production. He still went to the playoffs. It's tough, though. It's tough. It gives people a perspective on how important the quarterback position is and how hard it is to succeed and actually compete week to week without a quarterback.

And finding a really good one is very, very difficult. Hold on. But you told me. What? If I go back and search my memory and I'm going back to my data, Oh, Ochoa told me playing quarterback is harder than playing quarterback. Playing DB is much more difficult. It's a much more difficult position than playing quarterback. Playing DB is much more difficult, is a much more difficult position than playing quarterback.

It is. I mean, everybody knows that. I mean, I'm telling you as a former DB myself, that was for the play receiver. So let me ask you a question. How many teams have won the Super Bowl because of a DB? How many teams? Oh, I can tell you how many teams with a great db on the opposing side

shutting down the half field made it very easy for their defense to be able to function and operate and be able to do more because of how great a db was prime durell durell revis asante samuels hold on you do hold on have i don't know if you noticed but did you look at the quarterback that that that time was winning super bowls with one was the first ballot hall of fame and Steve Young who was a two-time league MVP and the other was Troy Eggman who was a Super Bowl MVP yeah he had a first ballot hall of fame in the all-time Russian leader Emmitt Smith he also had Michael Irvin he also had Jerry Rice he also had uh uh and that's not to take away Prime because I saw Prime. Prime was a year older than me,

so I saw Prime. I know what he is. Yeah. So, but that quarterback position. Right. That's why it's the most difficult, it's the most important position in sports.

Okay, I like that. There's no other position like it. I like what you just said. I like the way you changed the narrative, though. Did you hear the word? You hear the key word you said? The most important. It's the most important position.

It's the most difficult to play. No, most important. The most difficult to play is defensive back. I'm telling you, we can get into a debate. We can sit here and argue that. How many guys in high school and college have moved from quarterback to play DB? Now,

how many guys have moved from DB to play quarterback? Well, at what level? At what level are you talking? Because you're not doing it. You're not doing it at the highest level. That's impossible. If you that do, you should be able to do it. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on. See, come on now.

Come on now. You told me it's not. You said DB is harder. So you should be able to transition from DB to go to quarterback. Do you understand? Do you see how difficult it is to find a decent quarterback to play? Because if quarterback was so easy to play, all 32 teams would be in contention for the playoffs every single year. If that's the case.

Everybody would have $250 million contracts if that's the case. So is it harder to find a DB or a quarterback? It's hard to find a DB. Again, let's talk about the quality DBs in the NFL. It ain't that many of them. Huh? It's hard. How many quality quarterbacks are there? It ain't

that many of them either. So they're in the same boat. Listen to me. Shannon, come on, man. You know this. How many DBs are there in the NFL? Listen to me. How many DBs do we have in the, this, how, how many DBS are the NFL? Listen to me. How many DBS do we have in NFL right now? A defense coordinator can say,

you know what? I need you to take care of him so I can be extravagant with my defense, the play calls and do whatever, do whatever else I want to do on the field. How many DBS we got like that? Okay. What? Maybe five. Okay.

What DB? You say, I want you to take Tyreek or I want you to take Devontae or I want you to take Justin Jefferson or I want you to take Jabbar Chase

and I want you to lock him down. How many DBs you got doing that one-on-one? You got them all over the field. Wait a minute. When you say lockdown, now we can't lockdown in this era

because the game is handicapped based on what DBs can do. Now, come on now. Whoa. Come on now. You're coming up with all these excuses. It's not an excuse. The rules have changed.

The rules have changed. That makes the position of DB even that much more difficult. That's why it's the hardest to play. I'm trying to tell you. Ocho. Ain't nobody saying DB is harder to play than quarterback, bro. Bro, you not listening, man. You got to listen to me.

You out of touch because you ain't played in 30 years. I'm only five years removed from the game, so I have a better understanding on what's more difficult to play. It's not, Ocho. Okay. So I tell you what, since it's more difficult to play. How about Megapole? Megapole.

Megapole and ask NFL players that's playing right now. What's the most difficult? What's more difficult to play, How about make a poll? Make a poll and ask NFL players that's playing right now. What's more difficult to play? Cornerback or quarterback? So I'll tell you what. Who's the best corner in the league? Right now? Yeah. I mean, Jair, Jalen Ramsey,

Lattimore, AJ Terrell, we got Darius Slay. I can keep going. I'll take Patrick Mahomes. What? I'll take Pat Mahomes. Okay, I'll take Joe Burrow. Okay, I'll take Justin Herbert.

Okay, I'll take Trevor Lawrence. And so I just named those top five I just named, and I'm going to put them on the number one receiver. And then we're going to see what happens. And I'm going to light you, and I take Patrick, and do those guys, my receiver going to have 300 yards. Okay. Boy, did you just hear who I named? Did you just hear who I named?

Okay. Jalen Ramsey, Darius Slay, Jair Alexander, A.J. Terrell, Marshawn Lattimore, my dude, Tredavious White, man. Get healthy. Okay. Wait, let me keep going. Wait, let me think. I'm thinking of man to man.

I'm talking about man to man. Get it off the muscle in your face. What you want to do? We going to work. We going to get busy. I ain't just talking about no plan, no zone. I ain't talking about plan, no zone or plan. I'm talking about in your mouth, in your grill.

They like that. And for the people at home, Ocho kicked the PAT with 155 remaining in the second quarter. It was not the winner game. It's not clutch. Hold on, can I ask you a question?

Yeah, you can ask whatever you want. Listen, you heard what you just said? Did anybody score after that? Did the Patriots score after that? Right now, quarterback 52%. Okay.

Now you just put, you know, these people, you can tell people ain't playing football. You do realize we're live. You do realize we're live, Ocho. They don't know what they talking about, man. These people don't know what they talking about, bro. Like, I played the game. They don't know what they talking about, bro.

They don't know what they talking about. You got, man. You do, Ella. You do realize know what they're talking about, bro. They don't know what they're talking about. You got, man. You do, Ella. You do realize that live work, right? If we live right now, I know we have a comment. We have a chat. I know Darius, Jalen, one of y'all boys got to be watching me. Y'all got to back me on this because people won't understand

until y'all vouch for me, man. Y'all got to vouch for me, man. I know they don't see this. Okay, how about this here? California will ban the sale of Skittles in 2027. They'll ban food for products that contain red dye 3. Red dye 3 is found in Skittles, Pez, hot tamales, and double bubble bubble gum. Oh, you remember double bubble?

I do. Oh, double bubble used to be the thing. What? So what's your favorite candy? What? My favorite candy? Growing up. Listen to me. Y'all had the Candy Lady House where you from? I was in the country, but no, I know what you're talking about. We had the Candy Lady House, man.

I used to get a dollar. Get a dollar from my grandma. I get a dollar to go to the Candy Lady House. Get some baked beans. You know about baked beans? I know about baked beans. Yeah. Lemon Heads. You know about Lemon Heads? I know about Lemon Heads. Listen, I get it all I go to the candy lady house Get some baked beans You know about baked beans? I know about baked beans Yeah, lemon heads You know about lemon heads? I know about lemon heads Listen

I get a I get a pickle egg You probably don't know What a pickle egg is, huh? Double egg, yeah But okay They put it in the vinegar Yeah, in hot sauces

With the fruit pump With the chocolate With the jungle juice Jungle juice But lemon head Lemon head and jar breakers And baked beans That's my go-to

With the little pixie sticks. Remember the little pixie sticks off the ice cream truck? Man, stop playing, boy. Yeah. Stop playing. Boy, you brought back memories. You know what? I do.

Actually, my favorite candy bar is not, you can't find them very often. It's called a Zero Bar. Huh? It's blue and silver. Blue and silver wrapper. Zero Bar was my favorite candy bar. I ain't, you can't find them very often. It's called a zero bar. Huh? It's got, it's blue and silver. Blue and silver wrapper. Zero bar was my favorite candy bar. I ain't never heard of that. I know. I'm from the country.

You gotta, they're nice like that. But, uh, I mean, they're gonna have people, you know what? Now you know how bad it's getting in California. They're gonna have people smuggling Skittles and hot tamales like it's marijuana or some illegal drug. I have aales yeah like it's marijuana yeah or some juice some illegal drug i have i have a question if it's so bad the red dye and whatever whatever uh ingredients

are in it that that are that are harmful and for us to consume why are they waiting to ban it till 2027 so they want everybody it's okay for everybody to keep on munching on this i know marshawn lynch going to be mad. Fucking with his skills. Exactly. But here's the thing. We know what's in tobacco products, nicotine, and they ain't banned them yet. Yeah.

I remember when I was a kid, I remember when cigarettes were 50 cents a pack. And you know what everybody said? If they go to a dollar, I'm going to stop tomorrow. Cigarettes damn near $7 a pack and they're still smoking. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, there's an angle. I got my mama to stop cold turkey. I bet my mom $25,000 she couldn't stop smoking.

She say, you're going to give me $25,000. She say, baby, I just bought two packs. I just bought two cartons yesterday. Let me finish these and I'm going to get that money. My mama stopped cold turkey. For real? My mom been smoking since she was 13.

My grandma's sister, my aunt, used to give my mama cigarettes. My mom and my uncle, Thurnell. Cigarette. Don't y'all tell y'all mama, because you know granny was going to raise you. Right, right, right. Raise him.

Yeah, but my mama stopped cold turkey. That's dope. That's dope. That's 25 grand. My mama said, I want cash too, baby. So she won? She won? My mom was born in 43. She's been smoking since. So she started smoking in 56.

And in 2001, my mama quit just like that. Quit just like that. Ah, that's dope. That's dope. That's 2001, my mama quit just like that. Ah, that's dope. That's dope. That's live. My mama quit just like that. So what food that if they ban, you be like, man, they all messing up. Like for real? Like a food?

Yeah. Yeah. Boy, cheeseburgers, boy. Yeah, you banning cheeseburgers, but you gonna have to see by me. What's your favorite cheeseburger? From McDonald's. Number one, extra cheese with no onions. Coke with no ice. Or

depending on how I'm feeling, if I'm on a date, like if I'm my old lady, then I get the number seven. Because I get the number seven, they give you two cheeseburgers. So boom, she get one, I get one. Then you know you got your fries. You get your nutter coat and you get two straws. So you ain't got to buy extra soda. Yeah.

I mean, if I were to get something from McDonald's, I'm more of a McNugget guy. I remember when I was in college, I had a, I had a, she would be a captain of the cheerleading squad and she and I was really cool. And I would go there. She was the manager. What kind of, what kind of cool? No, no, no, no, no, no. I was really cool and I would go there. She was the manager. What kind of cool? No, no, no, no, no, no. I dated a homegirl.

I dated a homegirl. I dated a homegirl. Well, you know, that don't mean nothing. That don't mean nothing. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No friends and sisters off limits for the old kid.

No, no, no, no, no. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I'm just checking. I ain't dipping and dapping and that ain't happening. So with that being said, so I would go get, I would eat two Big Macs, a 20-piece nugget, super-sized fry, and a large drink, and two apple pies. I could eat that every Friday.

Yeah. All right, wait, how big, what you about, what, 300 back then? No, nah. Probably like two, this was my junior senior it's a lot 220 225 yeah yeah but i had the same weight that's crazy i could eat back then yeah okay okay but see but you were like if i go to like if i go to like south beverly grill if you out here in la you'll know what i'm talking about. South Beverly Grill or Hillstones, somewhere like that. I'll just get a burger plain with just ketchup, medium, and fries.

That's it. I don't want no cheese. I don't get no cheese on it, no. Nope. Just burger plain, medium, fries, and ginger ale. Ginger ale? Yeah, that's what I'll be drinking. Ginger ale is a remedy for when we

when we're sick. a remedy for when we sick you not supposed to eat that with no meal what you doing you can't oh man we be drinking what y'all drink all my ginger ale what I'm about to have to drink with my stomach hurt

oh no but no I'm very simple when it comes to my palate. I don't like to get, I don't like spicy. I don't eat all that stuff. My palate is very, very simple. Yeah. Yeah. I've always been the same way.

Right now, I mean. I've always been the same way. Quarterback's winning. Ocho, I just want you to know, quarterback's winning. 500 votes so far. What's the percentage? 54% says quarterback. 54-46, quarterbacks winning. Ocho, I just want you to know quarterbacks winning. 500 votes so far. What's the percentage? What's the percentage? 54-46 quarterback to DB.

See, you understand. You see how close that is? You see how close that is? I don't think people understand the difficulty. I know the difficulty of playing a position of quarterback. I understand how important that quarterback position is. But you'd have to understand how difficult it is also to play

defensive back, especially in today's game. It's the most difficult, is what I'm trying to tell you. But think about it, Ocho. It's DB and then quarterback is right underneath. Think about it. I gotta hit a moving target, moving

away from me, while dodging T.J. Watt, Michael Parsons, or Bosa. Now, I gotta hit this moving target as he's moving away, and he's covered. And I got this much of separation, and I gotta fit that ball in there.

And I gotta do it, Ocho, and I gotta do it with 30 seconds, and we down three. Yeah, let me give you one worse. Let me give you one worse let me. And I got to do it, Ocho. And I got to do it with 30 seconds. And we down three. Yeah, let me give you one worse. Let me give you one worse. It's third and two. Coach just called zero blitz. Yeah.

It's man to man. Or I'm off at seven yards trying to read three-step. I'm a full shade inside. I got Tyreek Hill in front of me. I got Devontae Adams in front of me. I got Keenan Allen in front of me. I got Mike Evans in front of me. The whole Devontae Adams in front of me. I got Keenan Allen in front of me. I got Mike Evans in front of me. The whole world watching at the

snap of the ball. Oh, I'm playing man to man. What I got to do? What's happening? That situation is much more worse than what you just said because I got somebody coming off the ball. Got some dogs. I don't know which way they going. They running full speed at me.

Well, I'm not going to let him cross my face. First and foremost, I'm not going to let him have an easy throw. And so I'm going to make him throw the ball. I'm going to make him throw the ball over my head. Yeah. It's different. Yeah. Closure hasn't put yourself in that scenario.

Tyreek Hill, third and two. They done called cover zero. Zero blitz. You man to man. Stop playing. So in other words, when they call zero blitz, that means they're bringing more defenders than we have blockers, right? And the ball coming out.

And the ball coming out, what you gonna do? And what I gotta do? So I gotta make sure I gotta drop this ball in the bucket on a guy that's running 20 plus miles an hour that's gonna be 40 yards down the field. And I gotta drop it in his arms. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What about a DB? What about a DB that got to deal with that? Ocho, I'm not saying that a DB job isn't hard. It's the hardness is what I'm trying to get you to understand. No. It's the process. He has a process he has to go through just as well as a quarterback.

Let me ask you a question. You think the DB know what that under tackle doing? No. He doesn't. Patrick Mahomes got to know what everybody's doing. He got to know what the line, are they going rip for Liz? Are they going to molly it? Yeah.

Or also, I got to know what all five receivers are going to do. What routes? And plus, by the way, I got to know what that defense is. Are they in cover five? Are they in cover six? Are they kicking it? Are they in quarters? Are they in three shell?

Whoa, wait a minute. So, hold on. I dropped me a pad. My earbud. Hold on. You got one here. Let's talk about DBs. You breaking the huddle.

Boom. We marking the defense based on what Chidi lined up, or what Devontae Adams lined up, or what Keenan Allen lined up. You're playing single high? Or what Stephon Diggs lined up. Check, check, check, check, check. What formation we got? Are they in bunch? Are they in three by one, two by two?

Double tight? Wait a minute. What are we playing? Are we playing quarters? Are we playing three? Are we playing one? Are we playing three? Are we playing one? Are we playing six? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. What coverage are we playing?

See, you trying to complicate and convolute it. You're complicating it for the quarterback, too. That's what he has to do. We got to do the same thing. Ocho, all I need to know what are we playing? are we playing single high? are we playing quarters? are we playing cover

six? are we playing 22 man which is cover five? no, no, no no 55, no two man we ain't no help, we on the island by ourself man to man, in your face. Let's get the work.

Normally when they stack it like that, you try to get out of that and you probably play an area because guys don't disperse. Yeah, you're right. You don't want guys to get confused and bumping into each other. Right, right. So with that being said, I'm still going to say quarterback is the toughest. Okay. But I will say DB is the second toughest position to play.

Okay. All right. I will concede that. We can agree to disagree on that one. Okay. But see, you know your boy, you know, I was a safety. You know, you're back in the day. Safety what? Safety what? Safety pin?

Safety. Safety pin to hold your pants together? Or your shirt? Whatever. You know, they call your boy graveyard. Because when I left the field, there were bodies everywhere. You better start playing with me, Joe. You better start playing with your boy Graveyard. Because when I left the field, there were bodies everywhere. You better start playing with me, Ocho. Boy, Graveyard, get it done. You better stop playing with me.

Man, you wouldn't hit a soul. You wouldn't. Ocho, I was what? Man, you wouldn't hit a soul. Stop playing. Come on, man. Ocho. Listen, I mean no disrespect.

I was a linebacker. D-end. Whatever. You need tight end. Ocho, you better stop playing with me. Look at the film. Google me in high school. Google me in high school. Ocho, I didn't give a number on you.

Ocho, I didn't give a number on you. What position you played in high school? I was a quarterback and I played safety, like everybody, and I was a punter. I'd have put you out of the game. I ain't gonna lie. We'd have do the number on you. What position you played in high school? I was a quarterback and I played safety, like everybody. And I was a punter. I'd have put you out the game. I ain't going to lie. We'd have put a bounty on you. We'd have put you out the game.

We'd have put a bounty on you. Listen, listen. I'm from Dade County, man. That bounty, that bounty talking all that, talking trash and all that, that shit don't work here. We did it. I'm built different. Been like that.

We put a bounty on you. Always. But you know, back then, we really put a bounty. Man, that don't scare me. That don't scare me. Y'all don't pump no fear. I'd put you out of the game, Mocho. No, you wouldn't.

I would have talked y'all out of y'all game anyway before the game even started. Do you realize I'm a professional? I talk for a living? No. I just think I get to be a talker for a living. You don't talk more than I do. Not on the field you don't. You're not finna say and thank you, out-talk me, not on that field.

Don't do that. Don't do your homework. Do your homework now. Ocho. Do your homework now. Let me ask you a question. How many penalties did you draw? What?

How many penalties did you get DBs taking shots at you? All the time. What is you talking about? I did my trash talking through the media on Wednesday. So, boom, already on Sunday they ready. I talked to them. I send the DBs gifts. You ain't send no gifts. I send

the secondary gifts. What you talking about? I'm the gift that kept on giving. I kept giving it too. I tell you, wait a minute, check my resume. Ain't nobody did it like I did it. I mean, your resume on VHS. They can check mine. Mine on YouTube.

Download, stream it. They let you stream stuff now. You better go back and check about Shea and the way he talk to folk. Yeah. I was talking before it got real sensitive and the stuff that I was saying, you can't say now.

Yeah, they tripping now. This era we in now is different, man. It's different. Unfortunate. It's unfortunate. Baby, we had a great time. I love going live. I love going live.

You get an opportunity for the fans to engage. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What we doing? Where we going? Where we going? Where we going? I'm about to go to bed. I don't know where you going.

Nah, I ain't. Well, you can leave me on here. I'm going to talk to the people because I want to make sure they understand some of the things that we talked about, some of the discrepancies that we didn't agree on. I want to make sure they stay in tune and know that I'm right. Who is number one? They say a

trash-talking list ranked me the fifth greatest trash-talker of all time. Where do Ocho rank? I'm definitely number one. Anybody that doesn't say I'm number one, they lying. Probably Johnny Randall. No, no, no, no, no. Johnny was out of his mind.

Yeah, Johnny was funny, but man, nobody, nobody, Johnny, hey, listen, John was a trip. Warren Satter was up there too. Who was one? Me.

Steve Smith. Smitty. What? Yeah, Smitty was good though. Yeah, Smitty was good. Smitty. What? Yeah, Smitty was good, though. Smitty was malicious, and he don't care, man. Smitty going to talk about your mama, your daddy, and he going to fight with you. Smitty went on the field not to catch passes, to fight.

And then he was going to catch passes. Man, I love Smitty, man. That was my dog. Yeah, you know we played together at Santa Monica. We played together at Santa Monica College. Good doing. You rolled the bench. Stop playing, man.

It was a lie. He told it. He didn't say that. He went to Utah. He went to Uni University. Then he went to Santa Monica. Then he went to Utah. Yeah, he went to Uni University. Then he went to Santa Monica. Then he went to Utah. Yeah. Ocho, they got you number

18. Stop playing. You ain't even playing the top 10. You're not playing with me. I'm the OG. That ain't number propaganda. Hey, listen. Ain't nobody living on this earth will say I'm not the number one

trash talker that has ever played in the best entertainment they ever played. You lying. You lying. You lying right now. Put that on Django. Put that on Django. I'm 18.

18. What's that? Your stats. Somebody lying. Your stats. That ain't nothing but the devil. That's the devil. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's the devil. I don't know who working, but they're saying you're 18. The lying? I don't know who working. The only 18 I know is A.J. Green. Peg Manning was the first 18. Okay, that's a good one. That's a good comeback.

It's okay though. Hey, Ocho, it's okay. I mean, as we go along, you're going to finish behind me in a lot of other statistical categories too. But it's okay. Listen, you will never be able to out-talk me on the field. I am the greatest entertainer to ever put on a pair of cleats.

Ever. Ever. But I'm just, hey. I don't care what the, I don't know who, whoever made that. That wasn't, that wasn't, they out of touch. For me to even be 18, they don't even need to be judging that type of shit. Now you got me hot. I'm bad.

USA Today. USA Today. Now you know they don't know nothing about no goddamn football they know no they don't know what they know that ain't no propaganda propaganda I tell you what go look up the Monday Night Meltdown

that's all I'm gonna say 1998 Monday Night Meltdown read about it read about it read about it Read about it. What's that, WWE? Read about it. What's that, WWF? Read about it. WWF?

Read about it. I'm a professional talker. No, I'm a professional talker. And one thing, when I talk it, I walk it too. Sometimes barefoot. I'm the lip-spawn champ. I'm 500 and 0. Against who?

Anybody. Hey, you 501 now. 500 and 0. 500 and 1. You better check the tapes. All right. All right. Ocho. Man, listen.

Ocho, I was talking before you was a phone. Not. You better talk about it. What you talking about? Yeah. Make up about it what I just said. Wait, wait, wait. Listen, I was doing the trash talking back in 83 now what I just said wait wait wait listen I was doing

the trash talking back in 83 now I just happened to continue doing it once I got to the league this ain't nothing new I've been doing this I was doing it

before you did it Ocho I was trash talking before you was a thot no no you ain't start talking to me

you ain't start talking until you made it to the league no you better stop playing. Yeah, I'm just telling you. I know. I know about your background.

I know about your background. You was born in probably 78, 79. I was born in 68 now at Jackson Memorial Hospital at 3.50 a.m. Don't do that. No, you born in 78, 79 at the earliest. Go back and check the tape third grade. When I said Johnny can't read, you better check the tape with me. You better check the tape with me, Ochoa.

Man, stop this. Listen, I am the greatest talker of all time. I'm the greatest showman of all time. I am the greatest entertainer of all time to put on a pair of cleats. And that's no disrespect to none of my brothers. That's including you. You did your thing when you played, but you wasn't like me. But you know what, Ochoa?

It ain't nothing to be, I mean, hey, you might be the greatest talker of all time. I walk it too now. Don't do that. I don't just talk it. I walk it too now. Don't do that. Stay with me. OJ, I'll get your props. I mean, you're a six-time pro bowler. It should have been seven. Matter

of fact, it should have been eight. It could have been nine. It could have been ten. But you know what? It's all good because I'm still him. I like that. That was a good one right there. I should have been a rapper. You rap presents.

What rapper? On Christmas. No, I should have been a rapper. Like rapper. Like a rapper. Oh, boy. Now you trick daddy. Now you trick daddy. You tricking at it. Now you tricked at it.

You tricking off at it. No, I'm right. No, you know, I ain't tricking shit now. Don't, don't do that.

But Hey, listen, speaking of rappers, you know, I talked to Ross. I hollered at Rick Ross. He said, anytime,

anytime I saw you with club Shay saying, you know, flying private, boy, anytime you need to use my jet, boy, you good. Now that's love. You see?

That's why everybody needs rich friends. Everybody needs rich friends because he understands my journey. He understands where I'm going in life and what I'm trying to do. That's why everybody needs rich friends. Ross, if I have the fact that he's

even there for me when I'm in need and I want to stunt, I can use the jet. That's what I'm talking about. Real friends. Real good people. Real good people. You can pick up the phone. You can pick up the phone.

Yeah. And if he out of town, he's a big homie. I'm out of town. I hit you when I get back. When he touch back in the States, he gonna hit you back. He gonna hit you back.

Every time. He gonna hit you back. That's one thing about that dude. If he, hey, he's a big homie. I'm tied up right now. I'm gonna hit you tomorrow. He gonna hit you back. Every time. He gonna hit you back. That's one thing about that dude. If he, hey, he's that big homie. I'm tired of right now. I'm gonna hit you tomorrow. Mm-hmm. Hey, expect a call.

Big homie. What's good with it? So, Ocho, it was great tonight. I love, like I said, I love this block. You trying to leave? You trying to leave again? Oh, they got the greatest. They got Steve Smith as one.

Suggs, two. Sherm, three. What? Hold up. Here's the thing. Time didn't really talk. Time ain't talk. Who is making up these lists, man?

Lawrence Taylor. 0-18. these lists, man. Lawrence Taylor. Ocho 18. I mean, some of these people, man, I ain't even know talk. Like I said, I... My point. My point. Proving my point. Propaganda. That's all that is. All I know well,

the propaganda got me in front of you. They trying to... We get the right Matter of fact Ask the people Ask the people tomorrow Let's make a poll Make a poll for Twitter

Ask people tomorrow People that actually Watch the game And not the people voting That wear suit and ties That they never step foot On the goddamn field And before y'all

Before y'all Make any more Votes Y'all make any more votes, y'all go read up on the Monday Night Meltdown. That's all I'm going to say. Read up on my Monday Night Meltdown, too. Read up on my Monday Night Meltdown. I don't even know how to read, honestly.

I ain't going to lie to you. I don't read that well either, but I can count. Well, that's a good one. I can count. Man, I got to go to bed. I got to go to work tomorrow. I got to get ready for Stephen A. I ain't got no job. Hey, you going on Stephen A,

man. What's up, man? You're going to bring me on the show, man. What's the play? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I thought you were going to bring me on the show. It's called First Take, not Shannon Take. I just got there. Man, get a brother on the show. Your foot already in the dough, man. Get a brother on the show, man. I just got there. Man, get a brother on the show. Your foot already in the door.

Get a brother on the show, man. Y'all two think y'all can talk? Can I get the rest of my body in the door? It's in there. You done been on like four or five shows. You done been on four or five shows. Can I get my ass in the door too? You done been on four or five shows. I just need to get the rest of me in the door.

Listen, y'all want to make great TV or not? Do y'all want to make great TV or not? Get me on the show five shows. I just need to get the rest of me in the door. Listen, y'all want to make great TV or not? Do y'all want to make great TV or not? Get me on the show, man. I can talk with the best of them. I can debate with the best of them. Get me on the show, man. No, because you're going to say, I'll take either one. No, no, no.

I'm going to be at your head. I'm going to be at your head. I need to see that. And once I see that on a consistent basis on here, I'm going to get you on the show. I done gave it to you already. Listen, that puts me in a different setting. That puts me in a different setting. And then I got to hit the switch. I got to hit the switch.

You do realize you get paid to do this over here, right? You know, you go first, take the A-pay, and you're okay. I don't need that money. I'm rich. I'm good. Oh, you don't need no money? I don't need their money. Oh, okay. I don't need their money. I'm rich. I'm good. You don't need no money? I don't need their money. Hey, listen.

You keep me up past my bedtime. Normally, I'm asleep by 9.30. The fact that I'm up, this is why I don't want to get off. That's why I don't want to get off. I got to work tomorrow, too. I got to do Inside the NFL with Ryan Clark. At noon. I got to prep. I got to prep. I got to prep.

All this here, what you see, this take time. This one overnight. I'm finna go prep. I'm finna change up out of this and put my pajamas on and I'm going to sleep. I'm finna prep. I'm finna prep for in the morning. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you.

I'm going to catch you. That's the prep you talking about? That's the only prep you about to do? Oh, nah, nah, nah. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. That's the prep you're talking about? That's the only prep you about to do? Oh, no, no, no. I'm talking about prep for real. I got to do my face. I got to do my facial.

I got to do my brows. I got to do my lashes. I got to put my mask on. I got to do all types of shit, man, to get ready for TV, man. I don't, I don't, listen, what you see right here, this is work. This is work. This ain't, this ain't. I can tell.

Yeah. A little nip talk. I know, this is. I can tell. Yeah. A little nip talk. I know a dog in Columbia that can help that. Yeah. That's why. Where you think I went to? This ain't no mistake. This wasn't no mistake by the lake.

Ocho. It's paid for. Ocho. I'll see you Thursday. Okay? Wait, don't hang up on me. That's rude. Don't hang up on me. Ocho rude. Don't hang up on me.

Ocho. I'm not sleepy. I'm not sleepy. I don't want to go. Well, put somebody else on. When you get out of the chair, put somebody else on, puppy. Ocho. They finna get up out of my house, too.

You think I finna get off this phone and leave them? They finna go, too. They got to go to work, too, because my producer's over here. She going to be at work in the bowling. All right. I'm going to let you go. I'm going to let you go. Until Thursday.

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