Nightcap - Nightcap - Ravens-49ers, Raiders shock Chiefs, Eagles beat Giants

Episode Date: December 26, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Baltimore Ravens taking on the San Francisco 49ers, the Raiders shocking upset of Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs, Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles beating the New York Giants, and much more on this Christmas episode of Nightcap! 00:00 - Introduction01:00 - Ravens beat 49ers18:00 - Shannon on his previous Lamar criticism28:30 - Raiders beat Chiefs41:00 - The Belichick coaching tree stinks48:30 - Why we have ads1:19:00 - Training camp stories1:35:00 - Overcoming self doubt1:45:00 - Much more Nightcap #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Make sure you hit that subscribe button. Ocho, we're now officially at 544,000 subscribers. And I want to take the time now because I know it's Christmas and you've been unwrapping packages and you've been surrounded by family, loved ones, and friends. And you took time out of your busy schedule to join me and Ocho tonight.

So we greatly appreciate that. Make sure you subscribe and get the feed you can uh i see a lot of you guys are still getting the feed through club shea shea but you can also get the feed through nightcap podcast so we greatly appreciate that we've also pinned shea by laporte link at the top of the chat uh christmas is here it's about to pass us but you have new years and you have president's day so there's always a chance to go get a bottle for someone that you love or yourself let's get right into the game tonight there was a beat down in the bay and it wasn't and it wasn't rendered by the 49ers right it was the ravens that brought that brought their show on the road the first team with five picks in

the game this season their defense overwhelmed the front runner at first team with five picks in the game this season, their defense overwhelmed. The front runner at the start of the game, MVP Brock Purdy, picked him off what looked like a very promising drive to start the opening possession, Ocho. Kyle Hamilton made a great play on the ball. He intercepted it. And they really never looked back from that point. The offense scored seven points and scored points on seven straight possessions.

The Ravens offense scored points on seven straight possessions and led by as many as 21, and I know the final score was 33-19, but the score, it wasn't indicative of how what a

demolition job the Ravens did on the 49ers. The Baltimore Ravens have won five straight games and can clinch the number one seed next week with a win against the Miami Dolphins. Ocho, when you look at this game, what was a couple of your big takeaways? Listen, obviously, when I had picked,

thinking about it, I had picked the Ravens to win the game. But then I thought about how could the Ravens win this game with a high-powered offense, a juggernaut offense that is a to win the game. But then I thought about how could the Ravens win this game with a high-powered offense, a juggernaut offense that is a 49ers. And the first thing I thought about, and when it comes to NFL games, it's all about matchups. It's all about matchups and schemes. And how well do the Ravens defense match up against the 49ers offense? It's all about personnel.

It's all about personnel and the players you have at each position and how does each position match up individually. And they match up really well really well but what scared me about this game is they had the turnovers early they had the turnovers early they got one touchdown the turnovers but they had two field goals they had two figures and i just kept i kept thinking to myself well if he gets getting field goals that, that'll still get you beat because the offense of the 49ers is very high-powered. And they had three interceptions, 49ers went down and scored,

and all of a sudden, it was a one-point game. You hadn't capitalized at all, so that kind of scared me a little bit about it. And I had tweeted it out. I said, listen, DeRay, if you're going to get these turnovers, you're going to have to score points.

Not no goddamn field goals. Let's make it a barn burner and run away with the game so defensively you can force the 49ers to make mistakes and get outside of their game plan

on what they really like to do. And listen, they ended up winning Lamar. Now Lamar is 21-1 versus the NFC teams in his career. Yep. Best in staff.

I think it's best in stabler. Yeah. Just the merger. Yeah. He was 23 for 35, a 252, two TDs. Zay Flowers. Man, Zay Flowers is nice, man. Yeah.

But the thing was, you mentioned the 22-35, Ocho, 252, and zero touchdowns. Yeah. But it was a clean game. Clean. No35, Ocho, 252 and zero touchdowns, but it was a clean game. No picks. No interceptions, no picks. Zay was 9 for 72 in the TD. The Ravens have won 9 of the last 10 games. 9 of the last 10 games, plus they had 4 sacks on

Purdy. Listen, the remaining schedule for the Ravens, obviously, they had a gauntlet of games to play the last 4. They got the Dolphins and the Steelers coming up. Right. The Dolphins, that's another test. Another playoff atmosphere type game against the Dolphins, which has another

high-powered offense, just like the 49ers. The Dolphins want that number one seed also. They want everything to come through Miami. Yep. You're right. They want everything to come through Miami. Yep. Yep. You're right.

You're absolutely right. The Ravens get five turnovers, four sacks, two on Purdy, two on Sam Darnold. But I thought the thing, Ocho, when you look at it, for like the last five weeks, I think everybody had come to the conclusion the two best teams in the NFL were the Baltimore Ravens and the San Francisco 49 49ers right okay we're i said i said we're gonna find out who what you got going on come christmas right now when you got two teams and we're right here what's the one thing that can put the other

team way up on top of you turnovers turnovers yeah you look at look at what the uh uh the 49ers the 49ers had been beating people the Ravens did to them what they had been doing to other teams when you turn the ball over that many times oh yeah right it's hard for you to win I don't care how great your offense is and I don't care how great your defense is the likelihood of you keeping them to kick field goals that's great but the likelihood when you got a guy that's won the mvp he's in the mvp discussion right now and now he's probably in the lead considering the guy that i mean and and and uh purdy was a substantial was in substantial lead in front of lamar yeah but considering how bad he looked and how good

lamar looked it's hard for me to see a scenario that he's not the favorite. And I believe Christian McCaffrey, who was in third, is now in second. Considering that he looked good and Purdy looked so bad. But Lamar deservingly so, deserved to be in the MVP discussion because he was

good with it. He didn't turn the ball all over. He made plays. You see the thing is oh joe when i when i watched the 49ers and i watched them very closely they're a team that like to jump off the ball and go get the quarterback oh yeah but if you see how they rush they rush right down the man they didn't want to give him lane that he can take off running right well you make the offensive line job very easy if you don't get on edges. So now all they do is anchor, let you walk them back step by step, and now Lamar has time to survey the field.

Because the one thing it seemed like they didn't want to do is give him a lane and let him jump out the window and take off. Right. And this is what I liked about Lamar tonight, though. This is what I like about Lamar because coming out, they say, oh, he's a running back. He's a running back. But now his game has evolved to the point where now I'm a drop back passer and I'm not running the ball unless I have to.

Unless I have no goddamn hell in choice. Hell, high water. I got to take off and run it. And then he's acting like Houdini with it. Not only is he escaping the pocket. So the 49ers had their game plan. Can I ask you a question? What was Bosa tonight?

They rented the offensive line because Bosa likes to be in the edge. Yeah. Everybody wants to be in the edge. In the edge, right. Ocho, if I run up field, what you think LeVar going to do? He going to step up in one of the lanes

and he gone. So now, it's like Ocho is going to be one of those games. Ocho, we're not going to, you know, that pass rush. So everything's going to be quick. We're going to try to run the ball. And then everybody look up and say, man, look at Ocho's numbers. Ocho ain't have no chance to get the ball because the offensive line wasn't going to be able to hold up.

And see, that's the thing. At the end of the day, you got, and I understand what Steve Wilks, the defensive coordinator, was trying coordinator was trying to do he's like guys we don't want to give him an edge we don't want to give him lanes we don't give it we just want you know but at some point in time you said look guys we tried it this way and we can't get him on the ground at some point in time we got to change it up ocho right right right i mean they say oh hey ocho you got to go to the coach coach the dude sitting outside i can't run the out. He's playing outside leverage. Right, right, right, right.

He ain't cut. Give me a dig. Give me something that I'm breaking away because he's playing outside leverage because he don't want me to run by him and he don't want me to run this speed out. Well, at some point in time, you got to say, hey, go get the quarterback.

And if he gets the lane, he gets the lane. Lane, yeah. And that's on me if he does do if he's on me he does yeah because how many times did he buy time finds a flower by time find bateman by time found likely likely yeah so i mean so so what what are we what are we doing at this point and give him credit i mean you see the sidearm throws he was making plays and he didn't put the ball in harm's way right the didn't put the ball in harm's way. The 49ers put the ball in harm's way, and the game got away from him.

Like we've seen. The Eagles put the ball in harm's way. 49ers ran away from him. The Cowboys didn't have that many turnovers, but they – Seattle, look at the teams they beat. Right. Normally, they win the turnover battle. You can't turn the ball over five times against a good football team.

And the Ravens are – team and the Ravens are I believe the Ravens are the best team in the AFC I believe they were the second best team in the NFL, well I don't think anybody's going to doubt now they're the best team in the NFL considering they've just beat what many thought was the best team in the NFL

and they went on the road to do it that's fact, they went and leave our stadium to do it I think they are the best team in the NFL, but what I think it is is about hitting your stride at the right time. I also wouldn't count out the goddamn Rams who are playing really good football at the right time. They're catching their stride at the right time.

The 49ers won't be playing a defense like that of the 49ers. I think they... Like the Ravens, you mean. I'm sorry, like the Ravens. I think other teams that they will match up with, they can dominate based on personnel, based on what they do from a schematic standpoint. They can have an advantage.

But the Ravens, for some reason, match up against them very, very well. Very well. And that's, I always say, it's one thing to look at the teams that are playing, but then you look at the personnel, and if you understand the personnel and the players that they have, you know that they match up with that team very well.

Ocho, if you look at the first interception, it's quarters coverage. There's nothing to hold the front side safety. There's nothing at all. Nothing at all. Why would he? I understand he's like, okay, Debo's crossed the backside safety space, but what's holding the frontside safety? Nothing.

They had nothing there. Nothing. They had nothing there, yeah. And so I'm looking. I'm like, bro, what are you seeing? First of all, we get a game plan, Ocho. We come in a situation, okay, at this area of the field, this down in distance, this area of the field,

this is the coverage they like to play. Right. Okay? Against this formation against this formation they like to play this coverage so you have a general idea of kind of the coverage that they're going to play based on down in distance yeah down in distance an area of the field bro you drop back it's quarters the safety basically go drop straight back i get it you're trying to hold the back side you flare one side and you run uh i think it's george kittle you run him like a square out now the only way you can hold him is that if you have him push up higher yeah but if

you notice the corner sunk on the back side yeah so there's really nothing and now the safety doesn't have to do anything he just see it yeah and And Kyle Hampton's like, thank you. And then the other two interceptions. Bro, Stevens come. They run double slot blitz. Stevens comes from one side. Marlon Humphrey comes from the other. He gets his hands up.

He bats the ball up in the air. Purdy tries to locate it. Well, by this time, Marlon Humphrey's done jumped. No, he already got it. Yep. And then the other one, Kyle Hampton's on the ground. He gets up off the ground,

off a carom. You see how hustle? You see what hustle? You see what hustle does. And being in the right place at the right time. Being in the right place at the right time. But did you watch those 49ers receivers? Did you see them going to George Kittle catch that ball?

Did you see IU? Yeah. Did you see Debo? Did you see those guys? Those guys. We're going to talk about this later. But did you see Zaccheaus on Devontae Smith runs? Yeah.

Did you see how he hit him on the DB on the 10 and pancaked him in the end zone? Yeah. Hey, but in this game, kudos to the Baltimore Ravens. You're right now the best team in football, regardless of conference. Lamar Jackson is the MVP front runner, I believe. That's what I was going to ask you. I mean, basically, you can actually give it to him.

We got two games left in the season, and obviously, you know, MVP is based on what you've done throughout the regular season. They got the Dolphins and the Steelers next. I think the showing against the Dolphins at home at M&T Bank Center, whatever it's called where they play. M&T Stadium, yeah.

I think he's going to have a good game. So if based on his showing these next two games, wouldn't you say Lamar Jackson would be the NFL's MVP regardless of statistics? But you know, hold on. So you're telling me Jackson would be the NFL's MVP, regardless of statistics. But you know what? Hold on. So are you telling me

if he has a game like Brock Purdy, he's still the MVP? Well, I mean, he's not going to have it. He's not. Did you think Brock Purdy would? Listen, offensively,

offensively, the Ravens aren't a volume passing team like the 49ers are. The 49ers aren't. The chances of having a game like that is slim to none.

You know Brock Purdy throw the 26 most passes in the NFL, even though he was second in passing yards? For real? They're a running team. And the pass, think about the passes that they throw, Ocho. They're swing passes.

Quick, quick, quick, quick, quick, quick. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I see you going with it. I see you going with it. But you got two games to go. A lot of things can happen in two games. Right. But right now, as they're getting,

they're showering and feeling good about themselves, and rightfully so, Lamar Jackson is your MVP right now. Okay, okay. He's your MVP, like, right now. I got Christian McCaffrey. It's second. It's second.

I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to go out on a limb. I'm going to go out on a limb. And knowing with it only being two games left, the momentum, the confidence, the morale that the team has right now, I have a good feeling that that momentum is going to continue into next week. And obviously it's going to continue on to the Steelers.

And he probably will be the MVP for the second time. It's just something about the hair of the thing. You know the Ravens and the Steelers don't like each other. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a division rival. Yeah, I know about that. I know about that, yeah. Now, you, look,

you know how division rival games go. Yes, I do. But there is nothing, I mean, this is like Michigan-Ohio State. This is North Carolina, this is North Carolina Duke. Right, right. They despise,

this is the Hatfield-McCoy. Yeah. They despise each other. Yeah, literally. Literally, they do. And if you think the Steelers, because the Steelers are going to probably need to win that game to make the playoffs. Right. So.

Oh, shit. For real. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right.

Because the Ravens clinched the division. Mm-hmm. So now they need this to make the playoffs. Mm-hmm. That make the implications of that game even that much more serious but it still is and if I get a chance to let's see not only can I clinch the division I can make sure somebody else have home field instead of you

but it's going to be great. Congratulations to the Baltimore Ravens. Go on the road. Three time zones. That's a long way to travel, Ocho. Hey, listen, it's going to be a beautiful flight home. I know that. It's going to be a beautiful flight home. If you had lost, you got to take

that five-hour flight from the west to the east. It ain't going to be pretty. And then getting home, I mean, it's already midnight on the east. It ain't going to be pretty. And then getting home. I mean, it's already midnight on the east. They haven't even left the stadium yet. Nah, not at all. Not at all. They ain't going to take off until maybe, let me see, team, 53 players, staff, got to unload all the equipment.

They probably ain't going to take off until about 1 o'clock. Yeah, yeah, yeah. About 1, 1, 1, 1, 15, 1, 30, Ocho. Yeah, about that. East Coast time. It'll be 10, 10, 30, West Coast time. Right, right, yeah. But we took, because they traveling east.

So that's a, they ain't going to get home until about 6, 30, 7 a.m. Easily, easily. Because that's what happened. We got back, we played Miami on a Monday night. And we had to come back to Denver. Ocho, I was like, and Mike's like, okay, you know, you got off. And I normally come in.

Hell, I just started. I worked out. I got my stuff. I changed out of my clothes. I got me a workout. I see y'all on Wednesday. Right, right, right, right. Hey, brother's already 530, 6 o'clock.

I'm just going to get my workout get it get it get it out the way get and be done with it congratulations ravens uh gut check let the 49ers know hey bro there's some things we need to work on because at the end of the day no matter how good we are if we turn that ball over we become very average no team has ever been good enough to overcome five turnover especially when you're dealing with dealing with a Baltimore Ravens on the other side. So congratulations, Ravens. They're the AFC North champs and currently still the number one seed and Lamar Jackson, NFL front runner for the MVP.

Ocho, we've already got 40,000 in the chat. What? Yes, 40,000. Hey, 40,000 people. I love y'all. I appreciate you. I love you. Make sure you subscribe.

Make sure you subscribe. Hey, guess what? 39,916 of my Baltimore Ravens fans. For real? Zachy. Zachy says, much love and respect both Unk and Ocho.

Lamar Jackson is the MVP of the league. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Several times tonight, he's shown the MVP of the league. The numbers don't tell the whole story. Several times tonight, he's shown himself to be the champion. Zach, nobody, we said this, no quarterback is asked to carry

a load like Lamar Jackson. He's, for the most part, we already know he's the quarterback, so we know he's their passing game. But he's also the engine of their running game. And even though, what did he have tonight? He only had 45 yards.

They only had, I mean, you look at Ocho, they only had 26 carries. They had 26 carries for basically 102 yards. And a lot of that was a scramble. You remember he had that long 30-yard run right before the house. He ended up getting him in field goal range.

And so, but yeah, we understand what's asked of Lamar on a weekly basis. Very few, because no other quarterback, I mean, can run like, of the top quarterback, obviously Justin Fields has legs

like he has. But Justin Fields, you know, that situation is what it is. But Of the top quarterback, the Burrows, the Mahomes, the Herberts, the Dat, Tua, none of them is asked to shoulder a load like Lamar.

And the funny thing, what I really like what they've done for Lamar and they can even improve it more is the supporting cast that they put around him to take the onus and the load off of his shoulders on not having to run which is why i like the fact that he's now becoming what i like to consider more of a complete passer because you have receivers that can get open actually get open in 1v1 situations you ain't got to scheme everybody because you ain't gonna be able to scheme people open all the damn time and we're gonna talk about this a little later with the other team that we talked about.

And what did I tell you, Ocho? Yeah. Them Chiefs. Oh, listen. Did you see an offside today? I'm just asking you. Did you see an offside offensive today? Got one more question.

Did you see a drop ball today? Yes. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

But, hey, you know the NFL. You see what happened, O Ocho is that all the teams started sending the offside plays in right Ocho they've called most or more offsides on offensive wide receivers this year than I can recall I don't remember that many calls in my 14 year playing career do you remember no honestly no and the fact that it was brought to our attention when the Chiefs had Kadarius lining up offsides, not everybody, they opened the floodgates for the call every single time. And you know what I like to do?

You know it's funny. You know what I like to do? And I can say it now because I'm not playing no more. I like to cheat the ball a little bit. Of course you do. You call it. I like to cheat the ball a little bit. Just a tad bit because I know the refs are not going to call it.

It's not like egregious, completely offside, but I like to get a little air, just a little bit. Maybe my face mask is over the ball. Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to block his view. You just can't block his view. His face mask, he still can look down the line and see the ball. I can see it, yeah.

Yes. And hold up, Red Hood, you disappoint me thinking Brock Purdy is as good as Lamar Jackson and thinking he's elite. Lord have mercy. I don't like what, you know, before you even answer that, before you even ask him, I hate the comparison of quarterbacks. I hate the comparison of quarterback for the simple fact everything is stat based for one, rightfully so, as you always tell me, because numbers don't lie. They don't tell the whole story the whole story but the skill sets between Brock Purdy and Lamar Jackson are completely different completely different oh Joe remember when they was having this early on when

he beat the Cowboys I was one of the only analysts that said Brock Purdy is an elite right right right they was on your head they was on your head about that too. Yes. Yes. But here's the thing. They got a... See, they don't want to listen to what I have to say. They just want to take snippets

of he said this over here. He said that over there. I never said Brock Purdy was elite. As a matter of fact, I was one of the few that said he wasn't elite. Second of all,

just because someone is playing good, that doesn't make them better. You can have a better year than a quarterback and not be a better player. What is so hard to understand about that, Ocho? Right. There are a lot of people that won MVP during Michael Jordan's

tenure. Does that mean they were better players or they had a better year? That's okay. Same thing with LeBron. Same thing with Kobe. Y'all got to stop this. See, y'all trying to paint this picture now. None of y'all jumped and said, Shannon, thanks for supporting Lamar

because when everybody else was telling him to switch positions and go play wide receiver, I was the one that said, I saw the man win the Heisman Trophy, throwing the ball and running it. At the quarterback position, right? At the quarterback position. I believe he can do that in the NFL.

When he was for the MVP, I remember his first playoff game against the Chargers. They were still in San Diego then. And they lost. And he didn't play well. I said, the guy's a rookie. And he's not, right now, able to throw the ball well enough in order to win. And what did he do? He came back, and from start to finish, he was the MVP.

36-6. 36 touchdowns, six interceptions. I roll with it, but they disregard all that. But see, what y'all want, Bart, and I'm going to go ahead and say it. See, y'all got a problem with me. Y'all don't want me to critique black players. As long as I'm critiquing the white players, because when I was at Baker Mayfield and Tony Romo

and all those white guys next, y'all didn't say H-I-T. But now, if Lamar Jackson plays good, I got no problem. If Dak plays good, I got no problem. But I cannot in good conscience know the game like I know it, played it 14 years, and now study it as if I'm a coach. Right. See something that's going on. I told y'all from day one, the Cowboys concerned because of red zone offense.

And what happens when the defense don't get pick fixes? Oh, now all of a sudden, man, Art was right. But that's not what you said at the time. You said I was a hater. Right. When I told you from day one about the Chiefs' offense, the skill position, and the offensive line. Oh, Ong, shut up.

And what did I say, Ocho, remember? Man, if Valdel Scantley had to hold that ball, I said, Ocho, you got to be careful. Because, see, if you base somebody's offense on one play, look at it at its totality. Look how many times they dropped the ball. Look how many times Patrick Mahomes had to run for his life just to find somebody that was open or take off running.

Man, y'all stop this. I ain't got no agenda against Lamar. Yes, I played for the Ravens. This is how it works. I played for the Ravens. I played my ass off for the Ravens. I was fortunate enough, kept and won a Super Bowl. Now I'm an analyst.

What is so hard to understand about that? Just like I critiqued the Broncos. Played 12 years for them. I'm not going to stop, guys. I don't care what y'all say. How many times y'all said, I hate Lamar. I got an agenda. I do have an agenda to be the best at what I do.

And none of y'all, nobody that's in this chat, know more football and can break it down and analyze the game like I can. So y'all use y'all criteria to how y'all critique and grade players. And I'm going to use mine. Take off, Ocho.

It's hard to follow up behind a sermon like that. It's hard to follow up behind a sermon like that. It's hard to follow up behind a sermon like that. But listen, I understand where people are coming from. I see I'm on both sides of the coin, obviously. I think people think more emotion. They think more with emotion. Feelings aren't facts, though.

Emotions and being a fan of obviously the team and the player. So they want it to be one way. They want your views to be aligned with theirs. And when they don't align with theirs, then there's a problem. Oh, you don't like this person or you're hating on this person. But again, you have a job to do. The criteria in which you judge and critique people is much different than those who are actually fans of the player and fans of the team. People have to understand that.

Yes. Marcus Hose understand that. Yes. Marcus Hosea, calm down. I'm a Raven fan. You've been fair with your critique. Appreciate that, Marcus. I like to think I'm always fair. But I just got to call it like I see it. It is.

And I know it's hard to understand. I was the first one to say about the Eagles. Y'all didn't want to hear me. Y'all called me a hater. Eagle fans called me a hater. I say you don't run the ball. Jalen Hurst is turning the ball over too much and your defense don't get to the quarterback

and you don't take the ball away. So if you give it away and you don't take it away and you can't possess the ball to keep your defense off the field, you're going to be in trouble and you're not going to look as powerful and as potent as you did last year. Last year, yeah. We're the best team in the NFL, but never fully healthy.

J.K.'s been gone. Mark is gone. Staley is part-time left tackle. And we still find ways. That's because of Harbaugh. That's because the Ravens don't make excuses. I mean, when I went there in 2000, you play like a Raven. It doesn't matter who's in the ballgame.

You play hard. And that's what John Harbaugh, I can honestly say, those guys are going to play hard. Think about the great players that's come and gone from Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis, Suggs, Ed Reed.

Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who's in the lineup. It's what you have, the uniform that you have on. You have on that purple and black. Or you have on that white and black yeah you have on that white and purple well we know who we are we know what we represent the standard is the standard you play to a level no matter who's in the game no matter who you play and that's why the Ravens have been

able to find success no matter who's in the ball game they don't always win you're not going to win them all but if you play hard and you play for the man next to you, you're not going to have a problem. Right. Dan Boyd said, did people miss when Unc was lobbying for Lamar to get paid? Nah, they, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Dan, stop. You make too much sense.

I've been saying this to you, but I'm saying, hold on. How you not going to pay the man? Y'all going to let the ink drown his contract and then talk about why he not there. Y'all know why I not there. Everybody else got contracts after their third year.

Every other quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, Deshaun Watson, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, all of them guys. Yeah. Yeah, they even did,

they did, Jalen Hurst is solid. This man got to play the contract completely and play on the franchise tag. Yeahalen Hurst is solid. This man got to play the contract completely out and play on the franchise tag. Yeah. Come on, man. Man, please.

Let's get into this other game. Which one? Which one? Which one? Going to the Chiefs. Yeah. Hey, Jack Jones. Jack Jones, I know you in the chat watching, boy.

I know you watching. I need a jersey, baby. Kansas City Chiefs opened the game with back-to-back three and i drive and the chief did not get a first down without a penalty until their fourth possession yeah she's finished the first first quarter with minus 18 yards the worst quarter by a team since the bears had minus 20 week 15 of four uh week 15 2004 2004. We saw Mahomes laying into his offensive line on the sideline. We saw Travis Kelsey get so up, he slung

his helmet. And the equipment guy tried to go get his helmet, and Andy Reese said, nah, don't give him his helmet. And he bumped him. He's like, come on now. You our leader. We can't have you like that. I understand the frustration. And that's what's hard, Ocho. Everybody's watching. Everybody's watching. And they got more cameras when you and I understand the frustration. And that's what's hard, Ocho. Everybody's watching.

Everybody's watching. And they got more cameras when you and I play because everybody want to catch everything. That's why you got to cover your mouth on the side, Ocho, because they're going to read your lips. But you see the Chiefs had an opportunity to clinch the division

for the eighth straight time. And the Raiders, I think Antonio Pierce deserves that job with the way he's coaching this team and the way they're playing hard for him. I think he deserves that. I think he deserves that job, but you watch the chiefs and we've been talking about the chiefs and you thought they were going to get,

you thought it was going, they're going to get this thing together. When you look at the chiefs and we're going to touch on the Raiders also because we need to get them to fly was also when you look at the chiefs, what do you see? I see a team struggling. I see a team struggling similar to how Lamar has to carry the load, but actually not as much anymore because of the

supporting cast that he put around Lamar with the Ravens. I see Patrick Mahomes having to do more. Having to do more with teams now. Okay, listen. We playing the Chiefs. What do we do? We're going to lock in on Kelsey.

We're going to lock in on Kelsey. We're going to line up all alignments based on him when we break this huddle. And we're going to force everyone else to beat us. We're going to force everyone else to beat us. Because what do we have to do? What do they have to do offensively? They have to scheme ways to get their players open. Who do they have to do offensively? They have to scheme ways to get their players open. Who do they have with the DNA or I call it the fortitude to be able to do 1v1 matchups?

Consistently. Consistently. Come hell or high water. They don't have that. They don't have that. So it puts the onus and the pressure on Patrick Mahomes to have to create miracles first down, create a miracle second down, create a miracle third down, and it's just not possible. And now you're seeing the frustration boil over because everything is on his shoulders. And Kelsey can't do it all. He can't do it all. It's only so many times what you put on film is going to work. At some point, the NFL catches up

to you. At some point, the NFL catches up to you. At some point, the NFL catches up to the offense that you're running and your tendencies, and that is what we're seeing now. Because there's nobody over there. There's no Tyreek Hill. There's no Tyreek Hill. There's no security blanket for him right now. Because the security blanket is Travis Kelsey.

Oh, well, we take Travis Kelsey out the game. What else you got? That's no disrespect to anybody else on that team offensively, but I'm just calling a spade a spade. There has to be another outlet that is a threat, that poses some type of threat, and they just don't have that. No, they do not have that. And you and I both know this.

There's only so many formations you can run. There's only so many times you can punch it or stack it. There's only so many formations you can run. There's only so many times you can punch it or stack it. There's only so many times you can motion. There's only so many times you can get a three by one or two by two or three by two. There's only so many formations. And at some point in time, you got to have a guy that says,

you know what? Just go get open. Yeah. Just go get open. And they don't have that. You see, I'm watching DBs now. DBs don't even get out of their back panel.'re not even moving they're not even moving you got a guy that you know can throw the ball over your head yeah he said but y'all not gonna go down y'all not gonna run no

routes to go get it so i'm sitting on everything that's why the guy you was talking about how he picked it now my home did throw it off his back foot. That too. Oh, and you didn't see the receiver falling away from the ball? That's Scott Moore. Yes, he did. He fell away from the ball. You got to attack the ball. Oh, Lord. See?

See, you and I here. See, it's little stuff like that, Ojo, that allows a DB to undercut and to make a play on the ball. And because Patrick Mahomes is – because now he feels, man, I got to make every play. And he's taking unnecessary risk. Do you know the Raiders scored 17 points and never completed a pass within those 17 points?

Look, Patrick Mahomes, he's accomplished what he's accomplished. He's a two-time league MVP, a two-time Super Bowl winner with Super Bowl MVPs, but right now he's pressing and he's not playing well. And it's exacerbated

because he doesn't have anybody that can bail him out. He doesn't have anybody that he can just dump the ball to or just hand the ball to. May happen. Like a Christian McCaffrey. Yeah. I mean, Brock Purdy was struggling. Christian McCaffrey still ended up with over 100 yards.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mahomes doesn't have that. No, they're going to have to address that. They're going to have to address that in the offseason. They could have addressed it. They had an opportunity to get DeHop.

DeHop. I don't think the money was right. I don't think the money was right for DeHop. I'm just saying, I don't think the money was right. And I think they feel like, you know what? No, it wasn't. I'm saying, but you got to make the money right. Make the money right.

I see what you're saying. But they don't want to make the money right because they feel Patrick Mahomes can get it done because he did it without Tyreek before. So if we didn't have a dynamic player in Tyreek and he left but we still won a Super Bowl I think we can get it done with the group we have in here now but now as you see this season now you have to address it you have no choice but to get a dog in there you have no choice nothing is more burdensome burdensome but tedious than expectations. See, when Tyreek left,

they didn't have no expectations. I don't think Mahomes can do it because, lookit, he got a Scott Moore and they had this guy and they had that guy. There wasn't the expectations to get to and win the Super Bowl like it is this year because Scott Moore is in his second season.

Kadarius Toney has a full season in this system. MBS has another year in this system. So the expectations this year were different than they were last year. And so now you see Scott Moore is bad. He's regressed.

Kadarius Toney has an injury and he's not even dressing Justin uh Ross I remember uh Ross he was a freshman at Clemson and did a demolition job on Alabama yeah and you know he had had a injury that caused him to miss I think an entire season and he had some issues off the field this year that caused him to miss five or six games. But like you said, they take Kelsey away. And because even Kelsey has been bitten by the drop bug. He had a ball.

He had a ball. He jumped to catch it with one hand. All he needed to do was this. Just reach up. Yeah. That's all he had to do. But all of a sudden, it's contagious. And everybody's dropping the ball. Nobody's

playing. The offensive line. I saw that the first game of the season. You sign a guy in free agency from Jacksonville who was just a guy. You get Donovan Smith who's Asian, who was old, and hurt last year in Tampa. Yeah. And you bring him in, and guess what?

He's old, and he's hurt now. And so you bring the backup in and he's getting blown by by Coop every play. Max Crosby is a different animal. Completely. I ain't seen nobody with a motor like he is.

Completely different animal. You know who you remind me of? Who that? Remember Jared Allen? Yes. Yes. Yeah. You remind me of Jared Allen.

You know, Allen used to be in Kansas City. I think I might have called one year him. I'm be a Jared Allen. You know, Allen used to be in Kansas City. I think I might have called one year him. I'm not certain. But, you know, he ended up going to Minnesota. Minnesota. But I saw Max Crosby line up on the offensive right side. They run a quick screen to Kelsey on the left side.

Left side. And he make the tackle. Tackle. And I'm thinking to myself, I know Max Crosby just didn't make the tackle because I knew where he lined up at. On the opposite side of the goddamn field. He made the tackle, hit Kelsey dead in his face. Yeah.

I'm like, what the hell? Now, back to the Raiders I still think they need a quarterback because they're wasting Devontae I was just wasting Devontae Josh Jacob I mean white red I think that's hold on let me see hold on a bit of stats here you know I like money you know I got new guys you know I feel like I'm I feel like I'm a Tom Cruise and minority report you know, I like money. You know, I got new gas. You know, I feel like I'm, I feel like I'm a Tom Cruise in Minority Report. You know, I'll be hitting that screen. I'll be hitting the screen. You be,

yeah, yeah, that's what I'll be doing. Zay, Z White, 22 rushes, a buck 45, 43 long. Remember Ocho, Kansas City was trying

to get the ball back. He's like, I ain't giving y'all this ball back. Hold on, let's take this thing over. He ran the air out of the ball, ended up taking the kneel down. So 22 for a buck, 45 for him, 29 carries, 157.

Aiden O'Connor was 9 of 21 for 62 yards. That just goes to show you turned the ball over. Yeah. They fumbled for a touchdown, threw a, what, a pick six for a touchdown, had another interception that led to a field goal. That's 14 points. Yeah. So, you scored 14. Again, it's

getting very difficult for the... Ocho, man, you know Kansas City. You already know you had to score 28 to 31 to beat them in there. Oh, yeah. And this is just last year, now. This is just last year. The funny thing about it is Mahomes has been that great. He's been that great where it's almost as if he's damn near immortal at the quarterback position.

That's the way he's made it look so far in a short amount of time. To be able to win two Super Bowls, he's in what, fifth year? Fifth year or sixth year? 2016 was his rookie season, right? Mahomes. 2017 was his rookie season. He won the MVP in 18 because Lamar was a rookie in 18, won the MVP in 19. And so, yeah.

You're right. So what he's been able to accomplish in such a short amount of time, how good he is, how good he is with all the throws. And, you know, we're enamored by some of the things that he can do on the field, winning two Super Bowls in such a short amount of time. It's almost become a thought that, well, we can have lesser talent around him because he is so great. Yes. But now at some point, like I said earlier, teams, they study you, they watch film, they understand your tendencies

and we say, well, you know what? The only weapon they do have is 87. So all we got to do is lock in on him and there's only so much creativity you can do. Listen, when they were rolling offensively, they were doing all type of ring around the road stuff outside the huddle. You can be creative, but nobody knows what the hell you're getting ready to do.

Now everyone else is caught up. Everyone else is caught up. And now you have to have those boys in there where you can't scheme anybody together. You got to be able to line up and say, you got to win for me. They just don't have that. Right. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ong, you better have the same smoke from my homeboy like you have for Lamar and he won the MVP without receivers I mean if you look at it I mean look I think uh Mark Andrews was there when um Lamar won the MVP last year uh Travis Kelsey was there with uh Mahomes when he won the MVP the other years I think he had uh he obviously had Tyreek I think Sammy Watkins was there also the year he won the MVP. Sammy! But at some point in time, that catches up with you. Yeah. It catches up with you. See, you know what happened, Ocho, is that

people had convinced themselves that Edelman and Amendola and Wes Welker, they were just guys. They're not. They were really good. See, now we base receivers on, if you're not Tyreek or you're not A.J. Brown or you're not Chase or you're not J.J.

Justin Jefferson, you're not any good. No. For that system and for what they need, they weren't good. They were great. Welker was great. I mean, go back and look at Welker's numbers when he got there. He was getting 122, 125 catches.

Yeah, a lot. Go back and look at Edelman. Go back and look at Amendola. Amendola, yeah. Those guys were really, really good given what they were asked to do. They were not outside the number guys. They were everything they did was in were not outside the number guys. They were, everything they did was in the middle of the field.

And you got to take, go ahead. That's basically, when you think about the makeup of the New England offense during that Tom Brady era, if you think about it, they wanted a few teams in NFL where everything was run from the inside out. Yes.

Think about that. Everything was run from the inside out. So your number ones is, your number one, your reads start from here as opposed to other teams where you got dominant wide receivers on the outside

and your reads start from one and your process from there on out. But when it came to them, you know, your Amendolas, your West Welkers, your Aaron Hernandez, you had your Gronks, where everything went from the inside out

as opposed to how other teams operated but go ahead and finish finish your uh yeah and so you're absolutely right and what they would do is that then they catch you sneaking in like oh i'm gonna jump this inside route and now they throw the ball to the outside yeah think about when they had randy they didn't win the super bowl with the head randy hey they went undefeated until what, that last game? Last game against the Giants in the Super Bowl. And so that's the thing is that

just because a guy isn't first team all pro and he's not a perennial Pro Bowl player, that doesn't mean that he's not good. We've got to stop this notion where he ain't Tyreek. Who else? Yeah, nobody. nobody you have to understand remember it was all fine and good when Randy was catching passes the moment Randy

started complaining what happened Ocho you got to go that's why you have to understand what you man JJ and Chase and all those guys man they're not finna go no three four games and catch two three passes so coach Belichick understands he's like man look everybody ain't built for the cold loco what I mean by that everybody's not

built to play just because you're a football player and you're a great one that doesn't mean you're built to play in New England. Everybody can't play in New England. And unless you've been there or talked to people like I have that have been there,

then you can properly assess and understand that it's more than just talent to play in that system. But congratulations to the Raiders. The Raiders played. The Raiders did what they needed to do. I'm happy for the Raiders because I really want AP to get that job.

I think he deserves it. What do you mean? You want him to get it. I mean, it's a no-brainer. It's a no-brainer. What is management going to do? Ocho, we saw the same thing in Carolina with Steve Wilks when he took over for Matt Rule.

Had him playing extremely well. He won a bunch of ballgames once Matt Rule left. And the team, the players wanted him. What did he do? Now, was it Matt Rule? No, who got fired that he came in for? Steve Wilks. And they ended up hiring Matt Rule. Who got fired? he came in for? Steve Wiltz. And they ended up hiring Matt Rule.

Who got fired? Was it Matt Rule? Matt Rule got fired and Steve Wiltz filled in. Okay. Yes. And the team played well and the players wanted him. This is different. The players need to voice their opinion.

I'm sure they can. I'm sure they can. Listen, look what Pierce has done since McDaniels has been fired. They're 4-3. They're 4-3. It's the first time the Raiders winning KC since week five in 2020. So if you have your players responding to a certain coach and playing at a high level without a consistent quarterback, a franchise-changing quarterback, why wouldn't you bring him back? You got a player's coach, a player that knows the game,

that played the game. It only makes sense. Who are you going to hire? Who are you going to go get that can do a better job than what Antonio Pearson is doing with a team that doesn't have an elite quarterback at the helm? Remember, you remember when they went and gave John Gruden $100 million for 10 years?

You remember when they just gave Josh Mc Gruden $100 million for 10 years? You remember when they just gave Josh McDaniel all that money? Okay. The Raiders are about to splash. They always wanted names. They probably had more Heisman Trophy winners on their roster. That's what Al. Al loved Heisman Trophy winners. He loved big names.

He loved big name coaches. Right. You don't give a 10-year deal Ocho we've never heard of that no player has ever had a 10-year deal no coach has ever had a 10-year deal he gave a guy 10 years he just gave Joshua McDaniel like seven years so unless they're not they're still going to arbitration trying to sort this thing out with John Gruden. Right. But you might have to pay John Gruden $60 million. You got at least $60 million tied up in Josh McDaniel. Right.

Damn. He like names. He thinks that wins. Nah. Doesn't. But the Patriot way. Ain't no Patriot way. The Patriot way was Tom Brady.

The Patriot way only works in New England. Look at all the coaches that's from Belichick Tree. And it's a lot of them. Tell me the one that's won outside of New England. Charlie Wise, Romeo Cornell, Bill O'Brien, Josh McDaniels. Josh McDaniels had two jobs. And got fired halfway through the second year in both of them.

One for cheating and one because he couldn't coach. In Denver? Yes. He tried to do what they was doing in New England. Yeah, that ain't gonna work. No, Mr. Mosley, nah, nah. You're not finna tarnish my reputation. That ain't finna happen.

Right. That's crazy. Alan Shepard donated $50, and he wanted to ask, what's up, 85? Speaking of defenses, did you see the Raiders pillage? Need a quarterback

to work on the O-line, but that defense has been a problem since they dropped the Patriot way. Yeah. The Patriot way doesn't work. He doesn't have, see, here's the thing also. Coach Belichick has been able to get by because you know oh joe once you win you kind of it's kind of like if i own a

business that i'm you know the business is doing you know sometime the executives talk to the workers a certain type of way right and then you take it like well we are getting nice paychecks and we are the top company. Right. Josh McDaniels thought he could go to Denver, probably thought he could take that same thing to Oakland, talk to people, demean players, talk down to his coaches,

give people his butt, the kids, and think, no, that ain't going to work, bro. Nobody going to want to play for you. Definitely not. And it definitely ain't going to work if you don't have the quarterback in place. that could be slack for the areas that are weak you can have you had a lot of stuff and you got a great quarterback tom was different man where we're 43 we're 43 000 in the chair oh joe 43 43 000 people i love you let's get a 50

call somebody call a family member call two family members of the friend we try to get in the chat, Ocho. 43,000 people. I love you. Let's get to 50. Call somebody. Call a family member. Call two family members and a friend. We're trying to get to 50. Tell them to get in that thing real quick. Hey, people,

I see some of y'all complaining about these ads. Bro, how you think we make money? Wait, what are they complaining about? We're putting ads in the chat.

How you think we make money? Let me ask you a question. Watch the ad. O you think we make money? Let me ask you a question. Watch the ad. Hold on. Ocho. Ocho. How you think these networks make money? They don't have... You don't have non-stop football. You don't say nothing when they score a touchdown or when they get an interception and they cut to a commercial.

Them commercials pay the bills. Now you got two poor hustlers on Ocho trying to make an honest hustle and y'all put the ads up. How the hell are we supposed to make money? I'm just trying to catch up on child support, man. That's all. Well, I done got off child support,

but I need a little money. Guys, I'm sorry that we have to put ads in here, but that's the only way. You know, it takes, you know, Ocho got a staff, I got a staff, the volume who I co-partner with. Right. They got staff to have to cut this stuff up.

It's doing this stuff with YouTube. Come on, guys. Yeah. Cut us some slack. Stall us out. Work with us now. Yeah, work with us. See, you can always buy that YouTube premium.

They don't have no ads on YouTube premium. Hey, you have much youtube premium cost you think don't start me to lie hell i don't even know how much youtube cost let alone the premium i know premium gas is higher than regular gas that hot kids gas yeah uh okay wait wait before you finish you talk about gas i'm i'm'm lost. What kind of car you drive? I got an EV from BMW. M70. So, premium is like 98?

Yeah. Oh, premium is back in the South. We call it the high test gas, that white gas. You know, I think it's 23 octane. It's 93 octane, right? 93 octane. So, you know, you might have gas. Let's just say you get gas that's 450, 479, 499. It's that high octane so you know you might have gas let's just say you get gas that's 450 479 499 is that hard thing now out here in california i think it's six dollars a gallon maybe six thousand

gallon for who if you drive if you drive a premium uh car that requires premium let it your car that's why i got me an EV my money jumped on it yeah and you wonder why I've been driving a small car since 2006 I go fill up right now $14 55 miles at a gallon park anywhere 55 miles at a gallon

I mean it's going to take you two days to get somewhere nah what you mean my my odometer speed I hit about, I hit about 105. Man, you ain't hit no 105 of that. Yeah.

Man, that Fred Flintstone car. Hey, don't talk about my car like that. Don't do that. That's disrespectful. I ain't say nobody's a BMW. I ain't say nobody's a BMW. That EV though. That M, that thing nice.

What EV stand for? Electric vehicle My bad I guess I should have said electric vehicle But I thought I thought everybody knew what it was Okay Man you know I ain't into cars man Listen I got my little smart car. What I got, Ocho?

I got an EV. I don't know what EV is. I never heard of that. You should have said I have a BMW, but it's electric. Okay, I got a BMW EV. Yeah, no, listen. That's what it means. It means I have a BMW and it's an electric vehicle.

My bad. I thought you knew. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm not in the cars. I apologize. I know what it means. It means I have a BMW and it's an electric vehicle. I don't know. My bad. I thought you knew. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm not in the cause. I apologize. I know what it is now. YouTube premium is $15.99 a month.

Man, come on, Chad. That's a lot. Bro, all y'all got to do, can y'all watch like 10, 15 seconds of the ad? Come on. Hold on. You know what we should do? Let's make a commercial

where it's a commercial for Nightcap and we are the ad. Can they do that or no? I mean, I kind of did that. Like in the lead and leading up to it, I had a read for

a DraftKings who's one of the big sponsors. Okay. I think normally as we move forward, we're going to'm gonna we're gonna have i mean if you want to do some reads you can but uh yeah i know how to i know how to read too i know how to read out the problem yeah oh yeah real good i'm real good i'm real good okay i'm

real good but uh yeah but that's uh uh the chat calling you fred flintstone but you team youtube premium is 15.99 a month. I don't know how much regular YouTube is. I don't really know anything about that. But that is free. It's free. But that's the price that you, I mean, I mean, guys, all the years

that y'all been watching sporting events, name the time that the game goes 12 minutes, the quarter is 12 minutes, and it goes nonstop. Don't take no time out and they don't show you no... They just keep it on the game. In football, any change of possession for the most part, they cut

the commercial. You got to. They got to pay them bills. You got to pay them bills every time. I got to pay Ash. I got to pay Jordan. I got to pay Ocho. I got to pay... I mean, damn! Y'all want me to pay the bills every time. I got to pay Ash. I got to pay Jordan. I got to pay Ocho. I got to pay... I mean, damn! Y'all want me to pay the money out of my pocket, huh? Hey, but speaking of paying,

I'm finna act a fool on my birthday. When's your birthday? My birthday is January 9th and I'm finna do something a little different that I never done before and I'm just thanking you ahead of time because what you make it, what you have been able to

bestow upon me and allow my cup to runneth over, I'm going to go ahead and bless myself and act a fool on my birthday. You going to buy yourself something

or you just going to have a party? No, I'm going to buy myself something. I'm going to act a fool. What you going to get, Joe? What you going to get, Joe? What you going to get? I can't tell you. I can't tell you, but I'm goingna act up. What you gonna get, though, what you gonna get, Joe? What you gonna get? I can't tell you. I can't tell you,

but I'm finna cut up. Because, you know, you've been a blessing to me and I thank you, so I'm gonna go outside my box for a little bit. Ain't nothing wrong with that. Yeah.

Hey, bro, this has been a blessing for both of us. I couldn't have done it without you. It works. It works because of who you are. It works because of who you are. It works because of who I am.

Yeah. We're different in a lot of ways, but in a lot of ways that we're similar. So I appreciate you being a part of this. And I appreciate the fans for embracing us and giving us the opportunity to, to, to share some of the stories and some of our analysis on three nights a week. The giants,

the Eagles beat the giantsants 33-25. Tommy DeVito was replaced by Tyrod Taylor in the third quarter. Giants entered the half trailing 20-3, and Tyrod nearly brought the Giants all the way back. After tossing 133 yards at a touchdown, the Eagles intercepted his final pass attempt into the end zone and the Eagles were able to hang on to a victory.

I like Tyrod. I mean, Tyrod was a starting quarterback. He took Buffalo to the playoffs. They lost the hardball game in the playoffs too. I think it was a 9-6 ball game or a 10-6 ball game to Jacksonville. The year Jacksonville almost beat New England in New England. Yeah.

So he's always been a very good backup. He was a backup to Joe Flacco in Baltimore the year they won the Super Bowl in 2012, if I'm not mistaken. So I've always had a lot of respect and admiration for Tyrod. And he's, you know, he got bad luck because he was pegged to be the starting quarterback for the Chargers. Yeah. He had a rib injury. He gets an injection and they punctured his lungs.

Lungs. Doctor. He should. You can't sue for that, huh? Hell yeah, you can. That's malpractice. Hell yeah, he probably did. Hell yeah, you can't sue.

Did you say? You think he did? Hell yeah. Yes. Damn. Cost him a starting job. That's crazy. And potentially cost him because he was a free agent.

So it potentially cost him greater earnings. Right. Right. That's crazy. We won't get into that. Yeah. Okay, OJ, you kind of redeemed yourself. I remember you did say all that about Lamar.

Damn, I hate to admit it. Thank you, sir. Thank you. You're one of the ones that will admit it. All the other ones, they won't admit it, even though they know I said it, because they got a narrative going, and so we want to keep the narrative

that Shannon hates Lamar. When all y'all seen me stand up, y'all remember when Colin Kaepernick? Hmm? Y'all remember when Colin Kaepernick? Hmm? Y'all remember when George Floyd? Hmm? When everybody else was shying away from it? How Skip and FS1 let me stand on that platform and talk about it?

Y'all forgot about that, huh? But now all of a sudden, after I spoke so outgoing about it, now all of a sudden I'm against my own people. Really? Really? So that's what y'all want to get going. Wow. Of all the things y'all can say, I mean, I'm sure there are some things out there that you can say. Oh, man, he talk.

He make me sick. He think he knows everything. I told you I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything that's different i like come on but you know what it is i'm gonna be okay though damn uh he asked another question day and then actually unbelievable we're at this point people make things up uncle's always one who says purdy is an elite yeah i said that to do do try to he oh he's elite. Has a quarterback

and this is what he said. Has a quarterback ever won the MVP not being elite? I said, uh, yeah, Rich Gannon won the MVP. Was he elite? No. There's another one. Matt Ryan won the MVP. Was he elite? Brian Sike won the MVP

for the Bengals, the Cardiac kids. No. Ken Anderson. No. So just because you win the MVP for the Bengals, the Cardiac kids. No. Ken Anderson. No. So just because you win the MVP, that doesn't make you elite. We need to see a body of work. It's a body of work that makes you elite. Right.

So this notion we see a lot of guys, great receivers have one great year. Or running back. Or DB. And then what? So no, one season doesn't make you elite. I'm a firm believer in that. I'm going to stand on that. So I'm not saying Brock Purdy isn't a good player.

I didn't even say that he couldn't become elite. I'm saying as I'm giving you my analysis of it, he's not elite. Yeah. I mean, the body of work is what comes into play when we talk about elite players, regardless of it. He's not elite. The body of work is what comes into play when we talk about elite players, regardless of position. I'm going to go for the onus of talking about receivers. Receivers are elite.

You can do it your first year, but can you do it when they know it's coming? Can you do it year two? Can you do it the third year? Can you do it when they game plan and they're stopping you and you still get it going? That's when you know you elite yes yes when when the deep coordinator get up there and they break it down and they circle now we got to watch 85 now right right he's great in transition he can get in and out of breaks yes tremendous run after the catch now he ain't gonna block that much back so you

don't try to rough him up in the blocking game, in the running game. And try to push him into the pile. But you know, when you're explaining a receiver, you explain it. Okay, he'll go over the middle. He's tough. He's wiry. He's not the most physically gifted guy, but he will catch. He's

tough in traffic. He's tremendous transitioning. Getting in and out of break is what his specialty is. Yes. He has great hands and he's tremendous run after the catch. Yeah. He got a little scoot in him now. He got a little scoot in him.

So that's, I mean, that's how we look at it. Same thing. We look at a DB. Okay. He's very handsy. We can get, I mean, you know, hey, he's strong. He's long arm. Yeah.

He's going to try to ride you. So you're going to have to, you know, we're going to start, we're going to throw some balls at him. We're going to double move him because he will bite. He's long arm. Yeah. He's going to try to ride you. So you're going to have to, you know, we're going to start, we're going to throw some balls at him. We're going to double move him because he will bite. He aggressive. Yeah. And if somebody's like,

oh, he wants to sit on routes. Okay. We're going to, hey, this is not about, we don't care if we catch it. We just want to know

we will throw this over your head. Yeah. Yeah. We just want to plant that seed. Right in his mind. Make you think throw this over your head. Yeah, yeah. We just want to plant that seed. Right in his mind. Make you think twice about Sid next time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. TJ the Stunner said, man, I got my uncle that LaPortier from Christmas.

He took one sip and now he's stepping in the name of love all day. Step. I ain't going to take it, but okay. Hey, TJ, I really appreciate it appreciate it man thank you for the support Mr. Sharpe said Ocho my incredible wife got me 85 cigar gift cards should I get the Boivita

or the El Patron to go with my La Portia Cognac for New Year's get that Boivita get that Boivita man it represents obviously the good life for a reason when you smoke it, you're going to enjoy it. It's very smooth.

If you're not an experienced cigar smoker, obviously, it's for the novice. It's smooth, not too spicy. You mean novice? Novice? I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry. You got me on my pronunciation. You been drinking tonight? You on the La Portia? Yeah, just my little red bull real quick. I'm trying to stay up. I got to fight it. I got to fight it. I got to fight it at 5 a.m., so I'm trying to make sure I stay up.

Okay. It's not too spicy. It's not too peppery. It's very smooth if you're not a connoisseur of cigars. So you're going to enjoy it. Enjoy it. Ben said, will you give Baker any praise? 3,500 plus yards, 26 touchdowns, 8 interceptions, 96.2 QBR.

Baker Mayfield has played really well. I think Baker needs to be the starting quarterback moving forward for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Long-term deal. He has a great connection. Now, I don't know what's going to happen with Mike Evans. Mike Evans was very frustrated because he wanted a long-term deal at the beginning of the season. It didn't get worked out. You know how they play games now.

Mike Evans might be having the best season of the season. It didn't get worked out. You know how they play games, man. Mike Evans is having the best. Mike Evans might be having the best career of his best season of his career. Right. And he couldn't pick the better time to have it. But to think, oh, Joe, you know how it gets. You start to get to be 30. They think you can't play no more. They're going to play with you every time.

They're going to play with you every time. Listen, that's the nature of the business. Not only are they going to play with you when you get 30, you know what they also do? They also find a way to work you out the system. Not only are they going to play with you when you hit 30, you know what they also do? They also find a way to work you out the system. The opportunities, for some reason,

all of a sudden, you hit 30, the opportunities start to decrease. Well, what the hell is going on? I was the focal point of the offense. Now, if you look at across the league for years of all the great receivers

that have never gotten hurt, just notice how they, the opportunities decrease and the first thing they come and say to you at the end of the season where you know uh your production is starting starting not to look the same it seemed like you lost a step you ain't never know those targets too i know them targets didn't come away like it was exactly exactly and they do it every time but this is what they do to your show they said uh you know, you're kind of getting a little older and

you're not making the plays you once did. We were thinking about reducing your salary. I said, oh, but y'all want to reduce my salary, but y'all want me to make the plays like I did when y'all were playing me a lot of money. Now, you're going to make it go make sense, Ocho. So you're going to cut my pay, but I need

you to make them same plays. Oh, okay. Listen, hey, boy, the business is a dirty game now. It's a dirty game, and they love to play it, and they play it very well. And how you think – hey, listen, if you don't understand the game, they'll have you thinking there's something wrong with you. Yes. Yeah.

I had a homeboy. He told – hey, they wouldn't give him a contract extension. He said, for what y'all paying me, I'm going to give you – that's the kind of work I'm going to give you. They ended up trading him. They traded him? Yeah, they got to. He said, y'all pay me $500,000.

I make $500,000 worth of plays. I don't give y'all no million dollars worth of plays when y'all give me half a million. Shannon, the thing that makes Raven fans upset is the fact that when Lamar plays great, Allen steals. What does analysts say to me? What makes you upset with me? I'm me. I'm Shannon

Sharp. There are probably a lot of other analysts that analyze, but when you say other analysts, talk to them. I ain't got no problem. If I said something, if I misspoke, I'll own up to that. Y''t got no problem. If I said something, if I misspoke, I'll own up to that. Y'all know me by now.

When I'm wrong, I ain't got no problem. I've never been too big. I've never been too prideful. I've never been too great to say, I'm sorry, I was wrong. But y'all got to miss me with other analysts.

What did I say? If it's something that I said that I misspoke, I was wrong about, okay, I can live with that. Especially when you said that I misspoke or I was wrong about, okay. I can live with that. Especially when you said the Ravens aren't getting their money's worth. You thought they was getting their money.

Listen, when we ask a question, you do realize it's on a game-to-game basis. So you think Purdy, based on tonight, you think Purdy should get a $40 million contract? Because if you just looking at it like that, okay, fine, we take it game to game. Right. Lamar is playing. They won nine of the 10. Of their first six games,

how many did they win out of their first six? I don't know. I mean, that's the thing that you have to look at, Ocho, is that when Lamar didn't play well against the Steelers, right, it was 4-6, when he didn't play well against the Steelers, they lost the game. He had a fumble. He threw a pick in the end zone. I said Lamar threw a pick in the end zone. He fumbled the ball.

They had a lead. Oh, why you didn't say that about Mahomes? Because Mahomes didn't do that. You see, it's always like when you critique at one player, well, what about that player? Okay. It's my time to critique. Because you do realize, like, Ocho and I,

when we come on here, we can talk about whatever we want to. But when I go on ESPN, I'll talk about what we talk about. That's not my show. This is our show. This is Uncle Ocho's show. So we get to talk about it.

But if I talk about it and I don't say what you want me to say or you don't like what I say then I'm a hater well I'm sure at some point in time that people thought I hated on Peyton they thought I hated on Rodgers they thought I hated on Brady they don't thought I hated on everybody wait did you say anything

bad about me when I played I'm sure I did I can't remember Ocho you got real chat y'all look at chat y'all look at chat anything bad about me when I played? I'm sure I did. I can't remember. Ocho, you got a real... Hey, chat. Y'all look that up, chat. Let me know if Unc said something so we can address that. Yeah, I probably said something about them penalties you was getting for a celebration. Oh,

them was worth it. Ocho, you got to realize, man, you've been retired. You've been retired a decade, bro. I ain't been retired. What you talking about? No, I haven't. When was your last game?

2014. Somebody tell him that's a decade. 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I'm just playing. Listen, I've been retired, what? Maybe 12, 12, 13 years?

The last time you played was 2012, which is 12 years. It was? Yes. For real? Yeah. It feel like I just played like two weeks ago. I don't know what it feel like.

I'm just telling you what it is. I'm just saying how I feel. It feel like I just played. It feel like I'm not too far removed from the game. You are. You are far removed. It don't feel like it, though. I can still play, though.

Highlight Creation 1 said, does Tua have a chance to win for the MVP if he beats Lamar Jackson and the Baltimore Ravens on the road next week and get the number one seed? That's a good question. That's a great question. Especially with the way Lamar looked against the 49ers. What happened if Tua and that offense comes in and does what

the 49ers couldn't do offensively? Well, you said, well, you told me there ain't no way Lamar Jackson gonna look like Brock Purdy did tonight, so that's a moot point. Yeah, you're right. I mean, that's why I didn't say Lamar Jackson to have a game like that why that's why I didn't say that's why I didn't say Lamar Jackson to have a game like that's why I said if the offense if the rate the Dolphins offense can

do what Brock Purdy didn't do again well first of all they're not gonna get that opportunity without those turnovers yeah yeah you have you have the fact that you have the factor that in also. But the Raiders get the win today on the road. The Ravens get the win on the road. The Eagles were the only home team that won on Christmas Day. All the other home teams tasted defeat. Patrick Woolley said, Uncle Nocho, Merry Christmas. A day one. Thank you, Patrick.

Niners are 1-3 against the AFC North this year. What's in the water in that division since y'all both played there? And what's disrespectful with the title Game Manager? Because people... Let me take the last part first. Because when people say Game Manager, it's almost like they're saying they're winning in spite of you. That you're not asked to do anything.

You just manage. Or not do much. It's kind of like you're a game manager. It's almost like a manager. You ain't pitching. You ain't hitting. You ain't catching the ball. So what are you actually doing?

So they're saying to quarterback, you're limited in what you're asked to do. And so I'm sure the quarterbacks, the guys that get called game manager, they view it as disrespectful. You think so? So when they call Alex Smith the game manager when he played with the Chiefs, do you think that was disrespectful for him?

They called him that, yes. Look, I called him check down Alex. Think about it, Ocho. Think about the numbers that they were putting up and they still moved heaven and earth. They traded up 17 spots to get Patrick Mahomes. Because Andy

believed this offense could go to another level if they had a guy with a stronger arm and that was willing to take risk. And we see, like I said, Travis Kelsey was getting a thousand yards a season. Tyreek was Tyreek. Now Tyreek later blossomed

and became a true wide receiver and not a gadget guy because he could run the entire route tree. So that's the difference. And it's like so they view it as it's kind of like a it's like, so they view it as, as, uh,

it's kind of like a wide receiver. What did it come? Most white guys, they call possession. Bro. That's a good one. They call them a receiver. Whoa,

whoa. Well, Steve larger was a possession receiver and he retired with the most catches in the most yards at the time in NFL history. Mm-hmm. So, but you said, I don't, it's nothing in the water. It's nothing in the water.

The AFC North is a physical team. Very. You look at the turnovers. Brock Purdy had three. Didn't he have, like, two or three against Cleveland? He had a couple, if I'm not mistaken mistaken he had a couple against Cincinnati turn the ball over I don't care I don't care how great you are because I've said it before when you turn them if you're a better football team if you're here and team B is here you turn the ball over whether you go down or you raise them up you you you bring them on your level

poacher so now and the more you turn it over the more you go and look at the separation you see where that goes and that's and that's what happened and now you look see when you play cleveland you know you missed a field goal that would i think won the game or even tied the game you turn the ball over against the ravens afar a team that's all but that's basically on your level you look like you look tonight they run away with the game that's that's the difference go ahead what's your takeaway what you think happened to the afc north why they won in three against the afc north and why do quarterbacks view game manager as disrespectful? Well, I think just like you said, when you are a game manager at the quarterback position,

I heard Cam actually say that too. They don't ask much of you. They don't ask you to do much. They ask you to facilitate the ball, to take what you see. They ask you not to take the chances that most would take, where they allow you, depending on your skill set and your talent level and your arm talent, then those are players that they ask to take those chances. I think those that are game managers are not minimized, but their skill set is not up to par as opposed to those who have the arm talent to do more offensively. I don't really see it as a disrespectful thing

because if you're a game manager, you're just not losing the game or making the mistakes that other quarterbacks make. You always give your team a chance. How is that a bad thing? I don't see why it's a bad thing. Because they're saying, don't you F the game up. Because we're not going to put you in a situation

where we allow you to take risks. So don't you take risks on your own. We're going to run the football. We're going to make it real easy for you. Okay? We're going to call this coverage. We're going to call this play. We think it's going to be this coverage.

Go there with the football. Or like Patrick Mahomes, you're like, okay, okay, Pat, go do what you do you're like okay Pat go do what you do okay Brady go do what you do okay Payton well you know Payton calling his own game anyway his own plays so guys like that Joe Burrow guys like that

that you're like okay but there are times that you need to manage the game even the greats have been game managers at one point in time or another. But it's knowing when to do it. Knowing when to do it. Oh, this is the type of game. Oh, I see what type of game

this is going to be. This is a game that could possibly be 14-13, 13-10. I can't take the unnecessary risk. I can't put our defense in harm's way. It's knowing. So I agree with you. Faith donated $200. How Ocho and Shannon. It ran. Damn. 200?

She says by 2053, the net worth of African Americans is predicted to be zero. Damn. There's angst in the chat over donation like subs and shares are just as crucial. Nightcap accepts all support.

So don't count my coins and count your blessings. Let's win together. Shout out, Ash. Man, by 2053, I think, hold on. I think I saw somewhere, you can look this up, Ash, that I saw the average black net worth

is $17,000, while the average white net worth is 17,000, while the average white net worth is 171,000. Hmm. You think that's true? And when they do these statistics, how many people do they, how do they even do these statistics anyway? I always thought about that. Where does the theory come from in general? Sometimes they're surveys. Sometimes they're questionnaires. They're brochures. They always thought about that. Where does the theory come from in general? Sometimes they're surveys, sometimes

they're questionnaires, they're brochures, they get the census report. Hey, think about this. When it comes to surveys and brochures and all this stuff, when the last time somebody come up to you with a survey and you actually sat there and filled it out? I don't fill it out, Ocho. Exactly, that's why... You know the IRS know how much you make, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, but you really think it comes from the IRS know how much you make, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, but you really think it comes from the IRS? Hey, look here. I don't trust nobody. All right, you're right. Average black household,

44,900. Average white, 285. Yeah. Huh? Is that really the difference? average white 285 yeah huh is that really the difference Asian is 536 so you got black at 449 white 236 Asian 535

I wonder why that is because a lot of times those two other demographics, they come up with, they come to have ideas and create things that make money. Black people spend money. Oh, somebody created that Louis Vuitton that the black person buys,

but he ain't got no money to put in it. He or she doesn't have money to put in it. You see the difference? Come on now. Come on. That is on. That's a whole, difference? Come on, man. To each his own. That's a whole other discussion. That's a whole other discussion.

Hispanic is 61. So we're the lowest. 44.9, 61 for Hispanic, 285 for white, 44.9 61 for Hispanic 242 which is a 285 for white 535 for Asian That's I mean well I'm not

Going to say that because obviously Me being the financial dude that I am We on social media Who on social media flashing the big old files of money Who got the money held up to their ears? The rappers? Who pretended they getting on the jets? I ain't telling you.

I don't tell anybody how to spend their money. You earn it. You do with it as you choose. Because have I flown private yet? Yes. You got that. I ain't got no money, Ocho. I ain't got no money.

But I'm going to work my ass off. I'm going to get it. If it's out there. Listen, once I saw the U.S. government print money during the pandemic. OK, so y'all got a surplus of it. Because if you don't have enough, guess what? You'll print some more. Yeah, it's out there.

It's out there. Let me find my niche. Let me find something that I can do, that I can make money from. Legally. It's enough for everybody. Yes. Yes. It's enough for everybody. Yes. Yes. It's enough for everybody.

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on your plate. It's just like, and you got to get it because once we go install, ain't no, hey, you go install Monday, install Tuesday, install Wednesday, install Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday before you go back to Monday. So if you don't get Monday, we on the Tuesday. If you didn't get Tuesday, now you behind on Monday and Tuesday,

we on the Wednesday. So it's more of a mental game. In college, the three-hour practices you young too you young you run all day i don't know what the call i mean you think about it i went to college damn near 40 years ago but the playbook the playbook wasn't as as complex and complicated like it is now i mean i'm sure some of some of these college playbooks is off the charts. But, you know, we was out there practicing doing training

camp in college. We was out there probably about six hours a day. Thud. Well, there ain't no thud. We was tackling. We was tackling. And even in the NFL, early on, I mean, we tackled. We put people on the ground. It wasn't no, oh, just wrap him up. Uh-uh, put his ass on the dirt.

Yeah. And so I think that for me, Ocho, the NFL is more of a mental. Because, man, they own you. Mistakes cost people jobs. Especially during training camp. Yeah. People get know, especially during training camp. Yeah. People get cut. Especially during training camp.

People get cut. They're cutting you. Look, if I'm on scholarship, they got to keep me for at least one year. They ain't working in the field. They don't have to keep you. No. And I had a coach used to say that. This ain't college, son.

We don't have to keep you. Ooh. You don't? No. No, we don't. So you understand very early on that the NFL is an absolute business. And they're going to keep the players that they think can help them win or in the future.

Like, you know what? With a little season, I think this kid could be good. He gonna be alright. Because I believe Ochoa, I believe that's why they kept me. Yeah, I played well so I could play all the special teams. I was a very good blocker because I was a big wide receiver. But, you know, Dan,

I mean, Dan Reeves, Coach Reeves rested, so he told me, he said, son, you're too big, too fast, too strong not to make a living in the NFL. So, kept me around. Hey, I'm playing. Ocho, we playing some wide receiver. Hey, I'm Tim Brown.

I'm, hey, I want to go with the ball going. Hey. Were you scouting? Ocho, you know what? They hold that thing up and say, hey. They hold that thing up. Ocho, you see that right there? That's you. Hey, let me get that jersey.

Let me get that jersey. You don't know what to do. Let me get that jersey. Let me get that jersey. Taking all the scouting reps. Tight end? Hey, I'm going to tight end. If they got a tight end like a Jay Novacek, a starving Marvin Cook used to play for the New England Patriots. But if they had a tight

end, I'm cooking. I'm cooking. And Wade, the defensive coordinator, said, don't worry about it. They tight end can't move like that. He won't be open like that. I'm cooking, though. I'm cooking. So Wade, he blow the whistle. He said, Dan,

put his ass in the game and see if they can cover him because we can't. Right. Right. Next week, they moving to tight end. I'm in the game. Ain't look back. Ain't look back, Ocho. But I was cooking.

I was cooking. I was cooking out there, Ocho, and talking to. Can't check me. Can't check me. Can't check me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Oh, they take a cheap shot. Oh, I'm talking. I'm talking. Oh, I'm. Oh, yeah. Spiking the ball, putting the ball in the wood. Man. Hey.

Man. Man. I know Mike would. But then, you know, Dan didn't really care. He's like, okay, I know Mike would, but then, you know, Dan didn't really care. He's like, okay,

okay, that's, that's enough. I said, nah, I'll be cold. Look at him talking to me. Yeah.

I remembered everyone because, oh, they would count, like blocking, because Ocho, at that point in time, I'm probably like 215.

I done lost 12 pounds because I was like 227. So now I'm 215 playing tight end in the NFL. Feeling good. But Ocho, man, they throwing me like a rag doll. I said, okay. Guess what happened come one-on-one?

I said, now who want some of this smoke? Who want this now? Yeah. Right, right, right, right. Getting the touchdown, hold the ball up. I got the ball back in their face they reach it for it oh i was a stone cold fool with it oh i had to get it back michael 92116 says harder task in your prime stopper ronaldo messy from scoring a penalty kick stopping mj from

scoring a basket uh tackling barrett sand, or getting a hit off Randy Johnson? First of all... That's a good list of difficult feats to do. Name the person that you ever saw tackle Barry one-on-one. Nobody? That was going to be my answer anyway.

That was going to be my answer anyway. Yeah, you're not stopping nobody. In the open field? You got no chance. At all. You couldn't tackle the man on the phone booth. How the hell would you? In the middle of the field, you think? I ain't never

seen nobody come to balance like that and get up out of there. Get a hit off Randy Johnson, 95 mile an hour slider. That's not happening either Johnson, 95-mile-an-hour slider. That's not happening either. You're not tackling Barry in the open field, stopping the MJ from scoring a bucket. Well, he might miss the bucket.

He might miss it. But Ocho, Randy Johnson, 6'10 1⁄2". Now, he lefty. So that ball, you ain't hitting that. How many people, you got to think about it, professional hitters ain't hitting that.

Don't even hit that. And first of all, that ball go, by the time you swing the bat, the catcher throwing it back to the pitcher. Because all you hear, pop, you swing. Bro, this is in the glove.

Honestly, I'd probably say, I'd probably... That's tough. I've talked to a lot of guys that play broke. I've talked to Prime. I've talked to Bo. Brian Jordan. They say the hardest thing to do.

Now, Brian Jordan played safety... hardest thing to do now Brian Jordan played safety in a baseball oh yeah most definitely do you know the percentage the percentage for sluggers or Hall of Famers that have made it into the baseball Hall of Fame how low the percentage is you know how hard it is

you know how hard it is in baseball just imagine if you caught 3 out of 10 passes that they threw percentage is. Ocho, you know how hard it is? You know how hard it is to hit baseball? Just imagine, if you caught three out of ten passes that they threw to you, they throw your ass up by the lead. If you made three out of ten shots, I ain't talking about threes, I'm talking about regular shots, they get your ass up by the lead. If you hit a baseball

three out of ten times, you go into the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame. There you go. I put it in context for you. Yeah, that's crazy. Because any other sport, three or ten, you're going to be at home on the couch. Yes. Luka had a 50-piece in the Mavs

win. Man, Luka. Hey, how come... I know I don't watch basketball much, but how come it look like he be moving in slow motion and still be cooking people? Because he won't let you speed him up. He kind of like Lambert. His moves are very...

It's herky-jerky. Very methodical. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It ain't quick. Like, you know, Kyrie is like... He handles it all. With intent. I don't know.

It's weird. And his moves, it be working. Do they? He's the second fastest to score 10,000 points since Michael Jordan. I don't know. Something right.

And the league just better hope he does just what he's doing. That because if he ever took training, I'm talking about training serious and got in shape. Right.

You don't think he's in shape? Not the way he should be. Okay. I see what you mean. I see what you mean. But here's the thing. Like you said, look at the success.

The manager's dropped a 50 piece. Mm-hmm. When you have that level of success, Ocho, how do you say, this working for me? It's like a man, it, this is working for me. It's like a man, like, drinking.

He drinks before the game. And he's like, man, if you didn't drink, he's like, but I just rushed for 200. Right. I just dropped 45. I mean, why would I need to stop? That's the hard thing. I wasn't like that, Ocho.

I was willing to try something. I mean, if it might help, I'm going to try it. Right. If it can help me get better legally, I'm on it. Mr. 504 donated $100. He said, my guts tells me the Ravens

will play for the AFC Championship. However, my question is this. Who's the toughest person to block? Ocho, who's your toughest corner to compete against? Man, dude, think about it. I'm 228. I got to try to block Reggie, Bruce Mill, Michael Strahan. Come on, man.

Well, you had your hands full. Man, give me a corner. Give me a safety. Let me whip his ass. I get doubted for flinging me out the way. I mean... And now they don't even really put the backers on the ball. Every once in a while, you'll see them lying to

Sam on the ball. Right now, mainly I'm giving a little football one-on-one. They play what we call an over-front. An over-front is four down linemen. End, tackle, tackle, end. An under-front is what we call where they have four down linemen

and a linebacker on the ball. That's what we call an under-front. Over, four down linemen, just down linemen, Sam, Will, Mike, off the ball. That's what we call an under front. Over, four down linemen, just down linemen, Sam, Will, Mike, off the ball. A 43 defense. Under, what we call a 25 front. Now, you go to a 34 defense

is what the Pittsburgh Steelers play. Two backers, Sam and Will on the ball, three down linemen, a nose, and two D-ends. And now, you got Mike and plug. So three, four,

two linebackers, three down linemen, Mike plug under front, four down linemen, linebacker on the ball, over front or down linemen. And so it was a combination. Um,

three, four used to be really popular. The Steelers. I've never known the Steelers not to have a 3-4 defense but there are a lot of under fronts Kansas City played under front a lot and then they moved exclusively

to a 43 defense and had DT with his hand in the dirt but good thing I didn't have to block see I look at guys that were in my division thing I didn't have to block. See, I look at guys that were in my division because I didn't see Brucie a lot. I didn't see Stray a lot. I think I

only played against Stray. Played against him in the Super Bowl. And I think one other time, I think we played him in 98. But Stray was a hell raiser, man. What? Stray was a hell raiser, man. What? Straight was a hell, man. They was strong, long ass arms.

Strong as hell. And man, look here. He's setting the edge now. And he ain't gonna let you hook him. You ain't gonna reach him now. Yeah, he gonna stay outside. Yeah, man. He could turn you. Yeah, man. Prop.

Good thing they didn't ever think I was going to be blocking him when I was over there. They always thought it was a pass. He's sitting light. You know, they call that he's sitting light. Yeah, you're right. I'm out. I'm out like a scout on a new route.

Yeah. Hey, handle them tackles. The hardest to block. I'll say Reggie. Rest his soul. You know the funny thing? This is funny. Sometimes, I mean, for me, those that are difficult to block,

I didn't even have to block them. All you got to do is just take them down. I'm just saying. All you got to do is just run them off. I ain't got to waste no energy. And I run them clear. I'm talking about clear off. Now they can just turn back, and I'm like, oh, they made the tackle. You know, I was in shape-shape.

You know, I run 10, 15 yards just for the hell of it. Just for the hell of it. Just because I'm in tip-top shape and not have to touch a soul. And if anybody going to make the tackle, it's a safety coming from way, way deep that he going to have to come downhill and make it. But McCorn is not going to make it. You know, I ain't want to waste no energy sitting there, you know,

wrestling with you and trying to show who been in the weight room. For what? You know what I used to like, Ocho? When I had that safety and I push up and I see that safety come down the alley. And you go crack him because he don't see you coming because his eyes in the backfield.

No. But you can't do that now. You know you can't do that. No, no, no, no. No, you can't do that. You can't do that. If anything, you just get in the way and help put your arms up like this. I'm like, that's what Armond St. Brown did.

That's what he got it because he tried to crack. You know, he pushed up and then you come on the safety that's looking to fill the alley. He didn't even hit him off. He just thumped him up a little bit. Just thumped him up a little bit. And they still found 47,000. A linebacker I think against the Colts.

He hit a running back. The Colts played the Falcons. He hit a running back on the sideline and they threw an under roughness on him. So he's running, the guy, and he's going like this and he came

and he hit it. Unnecessary roughness as they went helmet to helmet. Well, how the hell am I going to get it? Yeah, hey, that's what the game has come to.

That's what the game has come to, so you're going to have to find a way to adapt. And like I said before, with the way to adapt, people are going to start changing up the way they tackle so you're going to have to find a way to adapt. And like I said before, with the way to adapt, people are going to start changing up the way they tackle, and they're going to mess around and hurt themselves.

They're going to be out of the league because they're going to be missing a bunch of tackles. Renato Hernandez says, Uncle Nocho, do you guys have any supernatural stories? And, Uncle, were you on American Dad? Much love. Happy holidays. Your last question first. Yes, I was on American Dad, and I. Happy holidays. Your last question first. Yes, I was on American Dad and I was able to play myself. I was a bounty hunter.

Sharpened my spaghetti. I mean, sharpened my machete. About to eat some spaghetti. No, I don't have any supernatural stories. You, Ocho? What's supernatural? When you say supernatural, give me better context now

supernatural like ghost stories or chairs moving or ghosts or oh nah nah nah nah nah i know one thing i wish my mama and my grandma you know proved me proved me wrong that there is an afterlife because ain't nobody gave me a sign they ain't came back and hollered at me. Don't tell me you love me all the years you're on earth. And then when you transition, I don't even hear from you. Show me something. Let me know that there is life after death.

So I'm hoping at some point, you know, you can ask me this a few years from now or a few months from now and you ask me about that supernatural story again. And I can say, you know what?

My mama and my grandma, they came to visit me. I asked for a sign and this was a sign that they showed me. My routine has always been the same. A lot of people say, well, if you pay attention,

you'll see it. Well, I've been waiting. You've been waiting for it? I've been waiting. My grandma passed in 2018. I've been waiting. My mama passed in 2021. I'm still waiting on something.

My routine and what I do day to day has not changed. They said they're busy working for the Lord. They said they're busy working for the Lord. Well, I'm working for them too. They said they're busy. I'm working for them too. Just give me something. Let me know everything good.

Jared says, Shannon Ocho, how do you deal with self-doubt? I'm in college and I feel like i'm i'm not smart enough but i also don't want to be filled with regret later in life i need words of wisdom you want to take off first ojo john i'm gonna let you have that one because self-doubt that come from within and i ain't really nothing i ain't letting nothing on the outside make me feel crazy on the inside that would have me self-doubting myself. That's why I just said earlier about the opportunities with the business of the NFL. They had you thinking something wrong with you. Same thing. College will have you question yourself. Relationships and dealing with women sometimes and things don't work out. That also had you question. There are so many different

factors in life that will have you question yourself. You can't do that. Self-doubt. You can't allow anything outside to deter how you feel about yourself. You got to keep going. You got to keep pushing by all means necessary. Ocho,

I never had self-doubt like, could I, could I not do something? Right. But when you get relief, you're like, well, damn. I had the second most catches in the NFL for a tight end. Had the second most yards. Right.

Damn. Then you go and, you know, you think you're doing good and you think you're getting better in your craft at CBS. And they say, well, you know, we want to move in a different direction. And then the same thing happened at Fox. And you're like, in your craft at CBS and they say, well, you know, we want to move in a different direction. And then the same thing happened at Fox and you're like, well, damn. Everybody telling me

I'm good. Everybody on the outside is telling me that I'm good and that I'm man. Like, man, you the best at this. Man, you, man. I'm talking about,

I ain't just talking about people just talking. I'm talking about NFL players that I critique. I'm talking about NBA players that I critique. I'm talking about NBA coaches, NFL coaches. I'm talking about people just talking. I'm talking about NFL players that I've critiqued. I'm talking about NBA players that I've critiqued. I'm talking about NBA coaches, NFL coaches telling me I'm good. I'm the best

at what I do. I mean, if y'all see that, why the networks? But my sister, and I told you, my sister is very religious. She said, Shannon, God moved you. They didn't.

He did. Because he wanted you to be somewhere better. She said, now, just trust in him. Just trust in him. I did. When I got let go from CBS, I took money out of my own pocket, did a Facebook,

it's called Milding Off, where I would go take two or three games, I would break it down, and I did it every week. It cost me about $13,000 to shoot it, to get it edited, put it up out of my own pocket. I ain't got no money coming in, Ocho.

But I'm just putting it out there to let people know, hey, man, you know, they leave comments, good, I like this commentary, blah, blah, blah, so forth and so on. Then I get an opportunity to go on first take.

Did that, took off. Then with what transpired over the summer, like, man, just need an opportunity. Stephen A. had already put the bug in my ear. He's like, look,

he said, I don't do the hiring over here, but I've already told my bosses that I want you, big boy. Yeah. So now I'm like, I mean, that ain't going to happen. Ain't no way. Ain't no way to go break me. Talk to Dave Roberts. Just so happened, I'm going to be in Atlanta. He's getting married. He's going to be in Atlanta at the St. Regis. We go have breakfast.

We done done our research. We done our homework. We know we getting. What you want to do? I said, man, I want to work. That's what I do. I work. That's my purpose. I work. Like, okay.

So by this time, I'm trying to find an agency. I'm interviewing all the agencies because I want someone to represent me. I want to take my career. I want to see it now. I really want to see how far I can go. I want to push the envelope. I want to see what I can do. Got that resolved. Called my sister. I said, I think I'm on. She said, just give God the glory. Every time she called me, I talked to her every day. She said, Shannon, you say your prayers? You're thanking for waking you up this morning? You know it's going to be all right, right?

I said, yeah, it's going to be okay. She said, nah. She said, you don't sound like you think it's going to be okay. He moved it now. He said, watch it. Watch it work. Oh, Joe. I'm not just saying this because I'm on ESPN.

My mind is so at ease. My mind is so at ease. My mind is so at ease. So at ease. I wake up every day like, man. And when I, look, when I went on, when I was like, okay, I got to find a new job. I got the podcast. I'm going to do that. CJ has been by my side.

He's been producing Club Shay Shay. CJ, what you going to say? I'll go. But Ash, so I like, because I already told her. Once she started working with me at Fox, I said, you know, if I ever get my own show, you know I'm going to take you. She's like, okay, I'll go.

I mean, no hands on tap. I'm like, hold on. She's like, okay, I'll go. I mean, no hands or tabs. I'm like, hold on. She's like, I'll go. I'm like, okay. I'm for real. She's like, okay. So transpired this summer. I don't know what I'm going to do.

I hit her up. I said, what you doing? She's like, nothing, worker, blah, blah, blah. I say, what you want to do? You want to come with me? She's like, yeah, you, blah, blah. I say, what you want to do? You want to come with me? She's like, yeah, you know where you're going? I say, no. She's like, okay. I said, okay.

Now, she had no idea what I was going to do because at this point in time, ESPN hadn't even happened. So, even if I don't do ESPN, I'm going to have to pay her out of my pocket. So, she put in her, you know, she's going to leave. Hey, what's your account number?

I wired the money to her account because I want her to know, look, I said this is what I'm going to do. And even if it doesn't happen, you know, monthly, you're going to get money. Right. happen you know monthly you're gonna get money right and nightcap is she does a lot of the legwork i mean we got the we got the easy part ocho because talking is what we do analyzing the game is what we do but the format right and and all the questions and how we're gonna you know how are we how are we going to formulate this? That's her. That's her. And so now I look back, I say, you know what? My sister was right.

My sister was right. But I've never had doubt. Like, when I played football, Ojo, I was like, I'm him. I know I'm him. I mean, ain't nobody do what I do and have I'm him. I know I'm him. I mean, ain't nobody do what I do and have fun doing it.

But it's like when everybody else is telling you, but everybody else is not the bosses at these networks. So although I appreciate the praise and the adulation that you're giving me and you're saying I'm doing a good job, I need some jokers that got these suits and ties on, the praise and the adulation that you're giving me and you're saying i'm doing a good job i need some jokers that that's that that got these suits and ties on that's doing the hiring and the firing to believe that i'm doing a good job and i can do a good job and so and i think that's that's what meant to meant because i don't know how much and i'm sure they probably look but i was i'm on when

steven a's on so it's not like he gets an opportunity to see what i'm doing i'm sure somebody people have told him about what i'm doing or how i'll say how i go about my business but he doesn't get a chance to watch nor do i get a chance to watch him because he's on when i'm on right but bro you gotta believe Because if you don't believe in you, who else will? You got to. I mean, it all comes down to the key component, not allowing things on the outside to deter you on how you feel. You can't.

Ocho, they say your grandma gave you a sign. It's real. Real, you'll sign. Who said that? Don't worry about it. I like that. They say rail. I like that. They say rail it.

That's a good one. Yeah, that's a nice little foundation there. Nice little structure. It's funny when that, you know what, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't.

D-Lat said, my girl and I broke up a month later. Hold on. My girlfriend and I broke up. I asked to get back together. I slept with someone else while broken up, and she says she doesn't know if she can get over it.

Any advice to change her mind? No. Absolutely not. Bro, y'all broken up. You don't get to hold my feelings hostage. And she probably slept with someone else and didn't tell you. Yep, sure did. Yes, she did.

I've been in that very situation. I've been in the situation, D-Lat. Bro, we have broken up. So I'm just supposed to sit around while you go do your thing. You out. You out.

You out. Crazy game. Ask yourself this. Why do you guys break up? Was it infidelity to begin with? Was it a lack of respect to begin with? Was it a family issue to begin with? Was it a lack of respect to begin with?

Was it a family issue to begin with? Was it boredom? Yeah. I mean, you have to ask yourself, do you want to be with her or is it the fault of her? Those are two different things now. Do you really want to be with her or is it the thought of her? Or do you not, you don't want to see to be with her or is it a thought of her

or do you not you don't want to see somebody else with her with her yeah you really don't want to you just don't want to see nobody else with her we've all been there we've all been there like I don't really

I don't really want to be with you but I'm going to apply a little pressure because I don't want to don't really want to be with you But I'm going to apply a little pressure Because I don't want to see nobody else with you Yeah Yeah Yeah I remember I had a day like

I had a time like that Back in 1993 I'll never forget Yeah The old Bonquisha I wonder what she doing She probably waiting on you She probably waiting on you

What shit? That's all he is. It's too late now. It's too late. Too late now. Yeah, boy, I'm good. You good? Ridge Bear says,

I plan on proposing to my girlfriend in the coming weeks. What are the chances I get Uncle Ocho to attend a wedding shooting my shot with you guys like I am with her? Much love.

Don't invite us. Just give me the address and let me crash it. Oh, Lord. Because me and Uncle, we're going to come through and we're going to sing Catalina Wine Mixer

like they did in Step Brothers. I'm ready. I'm performing. We're going to perform. Since they won't let us sing on YouTube, we can't sing here. We're going to sing at the wedding. You're going to sing at the wedding.

Yeah, you remember Step Brothers when they sang... Boats and Hoes. Catalina White. Yeah, man. Shit, we're going to be at that bitch turned up. Why do you like crashing people's weddings, Ocho? Because it don't feel the same when they invite you.

It ain't the same when they invite you when you show up. It feels so much better when you just like just walk in that bitch out of nowhere. Like you're not supposed to be there. It did. It hit different. It hit different like that. I don't know. All I know is this.

I'm trying to make it through the NBA season to the NBA finals and I'm going to need me about six to eight weeks. I'm going somewhere. I'm getting to make it through the NBA season to the NBA finals and I'm going to need me about six to eight weeks I'm going somewhere I'm getting off the grid wait where NBA season in the NBA finals probably like that Sunday which will be around Father's Day

I mean what month June oh boy you got a long way to go boy you got a long way to go we boy. Oh, you got a long way to go. We ain't even hit the new year yet. Hey, but one person's going to know where I'm at. He ain't going to be able to tell nobody.

That's the man upstairs. Hey, that's the only person going to know where I'm at. Wait, wait, hold on. Who you going with? You going by yourself? Ain't no telling. Did I just tell you ain't nobody going to know? Yeah, I know nobody going to know where you going to be at,

but I just want to know if if it's gonna be a plus one you know big daddy gonna tear it up big daddy gonna tear it up and big daddy will tear it up that's all I'm gonna say old chump that's all I got for that I'm going somewhere

I don't know I might go to Bollywood go live on the get on one of them old huts live on one of them huts on the water. But that's fine. That's okay. That's a long, that's a long flight, man. And they say they got them old, they got them curtains around the seat.

Yeah. My high, here I come. And I ain't talking about Colorado. It's nice over there. Ain't talking about Colorado. It's nice over there. I ain't talking about Colorado. Yeah. You ain't like me, though, Ocho.

You all nice and you know. O'Shea. Who nice? I ain't nice. You ain't nice. You ain't adventurous. Who ain't adventurous? What you?

Boy, you forgot. I'm not like O Boy you forgot I touch it from north Hold on now You forgot now I touch it from north to south I make you hit every corner of the world Don't do that Nah you hit every corner And crevice

You on your own You got me there now You got me You got me I'm just I'm just reminding you. Maybe you forgot who I was. Yeah, I did.

Yeah. Don't forget my history now. Yes, sir. The chat says, they have an onk tracker like they do for Elon and Taylor Swift playing. They ain't going to know.

They ain't going to know where I go on choke. They don't need gonna know. They ain't gonna know where I go on show. They don't need to know. I'm ready. I just want to see you happy, man. I want to see you smile. I just want to, like, you know, when you have a puzzle,

like, all the pieces to your puzzle are perfect. It's almost together. But there's one piece of that puzzle that really hasn't completed. It's not complete. That one piece, and that's the misses. You need a misses in your life, man. You need a misses to complete

everything, to complete the journey. You know, and one that understands all you have going on and understands the sacrifices that you are making based on the vision and the journey that you want. That's the thing, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And I'm telling you,. Well, they're going to have to make sacrifices. That's the thing, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. And I'm telling you, that's what I'm trying to find you, but you won't listen.

You're hard-headed. You're stubborn. Sometimes. Yeah, I know you heard that before. This ain't the first time. A.B. said, how do you identify your purpose? If I was your son, what would you tell me? I'm the first in my family to break many cycles.

I need some guidance. I didn't tell my son anything. I allowed him to be what he wanted to be. Because at the end of the day, that's his life. I've lived my life. You've heard me say it before. I didn't want any of my... And I just told him, I told him I was talking to my daughter today.

Her and I had a very heart-to-heart moment today. She was kind of in her feelings about some things. And I just had to explain some things to her. So it was great. Is that I never wanted my kids, Ocho, my kids are a lot older than yours, to get to a point in their life

and say, Dad, I only did this because of you. That was probably my greatest fear. Because you know how you do something, Ocho, and you're like, I only did it. my greatest fear because you know you know how you do some hotel and you're like i only did i'll i only came because you invited me well i only did this right right nah nah that's a yeah so in other words you would have wasted 20 25 30 years of your life doing something that you didn't want to do only to appease your dad? Nah, nah.

And so that's what I told my son. You know, people like, your son didn't play sport? That wasn't what he wanted to do. That's what I wanted to do. That's what his uncle wanted to do. He wanted to go to school, get a degree.

There are a lot of things. He wanted to be a pharmacist. He wanted to do something with medicine. He did that. And, you know, he found his mate and he got married. He got my grandson and he's happy.

I think he's happier right now than had he done something that I wanted him to do. Right. So. Yeah, I'm kind of the same way with my kids. Obviously, my son, with both of my sons, I would never force the issue.

I'm not one of those that try to live vicariously through my kids. I'm a supportive dad. And whatever it is that you want to do, you can do. Whatever you choose to do, you can do. Obviously anything that puts you in harm's way, I'm not really supportive of that. Oh, hell no. But I'm, yeah, I'm blessing you in whatever feet, whatever journey you take, I'm going to be with you a hundred steps away.

You don't have to play football. If you want to play football, cool, that's fine and dandy. If you don't want to play football, whatever it is you have to do, understand in life, you're going to have to earn a living. You're going to have to do something.

You just can't do nothing. Now, you got to do something. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You got to be passionate about something in life and have that same drive and that same worth ethic

that I did to be successful at whatever it is that you choose to do. But whatever it may be, I'm all for it. I would never force. And I think, you know,

growing up when you have kids, you never want to force them to do something because when they get to an age where they can kind of be rebellious and then not fight back literally but like say, you know what, this ain't what I want to do. I don't want to do this because you forced

me to do it. They tend to resent that and they grow up hating whatever sport that is that you're forcing on them because maybe you weren't successful at it or maybe because you want to force them to do it because you didn't make it so you want to make sure they do. Live your life for your kids.

And don't you know, it's just not a sport. Anything. A partner, I've never looked. I tell my kids all the time, if you like them, I love them. Hell, I ain't got to spend one night with them. You do. So if that's who makes you happy,

my son, hey, don't you put your hand, hey, you got a kid now. That's not your child. You don't discipline her. You talk to her. You treat her with respect., you got a kid now. That's not your child. You don't discipline her. You talk to her. You treat her with respect. I tell her the same thing. That's my son. I love him. I want you to treat him with respect. My daughters

say, hey, if you love him, by all means, I don't care what he does. They say, hey, don't you want to do? I want my daughter to be happy. If she finds somebody that makes 10 million, that makes her happy. I'm cool. She finds somebody that makes 50,000. As long as that 50,000 can support them. I'm good. Cause at the end of the day, I want my daughter to be loved because I know,

I know they love my son. I want him to find somebody that loved him because I know I know they love my son I want him to find somebody that loved him because I know he loves so all that other stuff at the end of the day if they find somebody that loves them that's all I ask and give me some grandkids you see my son

my grandson got this look at this that's what I got that's the t-shirt he got he got a football up on his arm and everything yeah yeah KJ got that for his papa that's what he gonna call me

I told him to say well my son said daddy what you want him to call he said dad what you want him to call you I said he can, what you want him to call you? I said, he can call me papa or he can call me papa shake. Yeah. Either one. I say, and when y'all come back,

we're going to be at Magic eating chicken tenders. Magic? I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready for that. I want to see what that one is. I want to see what that's.

Oh, that bad. Oh, magic already got it. I'm ready I'm ready for that I want to see what that I want to see what that Oh that man Oh Woo Oh Magic already got it Just let me Just give me the way Just let us get Hey let me get to like Towards the end

You know Let's get out Let's get out of January Let's get out of the Let's get out of the The football thing Right Let's get past the Super Bowl

So like the middle of The middle of February, March. I'm going to be in there like swimwear. You know how that be? You see them girls on IG how that swimwear be fitting? That's how I'm going to be lodged up in there. I'm going.

I'm going. I got to see what the food is like and I want to use my peripheral vision as well. I want to see what the food is like and I wanna use my peripheral vision as well okay I wanna see what the food look like but I wanna use my peripheral vision as well alright now

stay with me now Ojo you know what a man push the glass up like that right now when he push the glass up like that he saw something he saw something I'm getting a chicken when he puts his hands up like that? Yeah. Oh, he mean business. He sauce up. I'm getting a chicken tikka, the fried catfish strips,

nuggets. Oh. That's what I'm going to get. Magic City. That's going to be nice. That's going to be real nice. I can see it now. Man.

I can see it now. Coming to the stage, Coco. Woo! Ooh. I bet she fine, too. Hey, Coco. Ferrari. You know, they got the car name.

You know, they got the car name, the Ferrari. Yeah. Yeah. What's up, Lexus? I like it. I like it. I got a practice throwing my wands you throw your wands

I ain't been in so long I ain't been in there so long man it's been a while I gotta practice I gotta practice I know you gotta lick your finger I mean you know Ocho I might have to save up I might have to make a hail on him throw some coins you know it Ocho, you know, I might have to, you know, might have to save up. I might have to make a hail

on them, throw some coins. You know, it'd be hailing in the club too. It's raining. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I can't compete. I can't compete.

I can't compete with that. I probably get $100 in ones and I throw $5 at a time and make it look like it's a lot. But ain't gonna... You gotta throw it in. We gotta go in there. We gotta spend at least...

We gotta spend at least five between us. Five who? Five bands. Man, oh, but I'm sorry. My bad. I almost, you know, God forgive me. I almost backslid.

Well, you said somebody got to spend five bands. No, between us, 25 a piece. Oh, oh, okay. Oh, okay. I could do that. I thought you were saying we got to spend five a piece. I'm all about that. I'm going to keep on tipping and sipping.

Come on now. Okay. I could do 25. I could do 25. I could do that. Ain't no pressure. I could do 12. I could do that. Ain't no pressure. Ain't no pressure. Yeah. Cause I could,

I could do, I could do 12. I could do 12, five and get 12. Give me 12, five. That's tied. You know?

Yeah. Yeah. I like that. I like that. God damn. I know that thing will be nice too. Coming to the stage. Ocho, you recently tweeted saying

closed mouth don't get fed. Shooting my shots again for photographing your wedding for free. I DM the Mrs. on IG and Twitter. Yeah. Oh, I'm going to hit and let her know.

She might be in the chat, baby. Baby, if you're in the chat. Well, you know what? She ain't saying that, so she probably ain't in here. But I'm going to let her know. know. She might be in the chat, baby. Baby, if you're in the chat. Well, you know what? She ain't said nothing, so she probably ain't in here. But I'm going to let her know. You know what I want to ask you before I take any more questions?

What you get for... I don't control none of that. What you get for Christmas? Before I ask her, ask her any more of your questions, what you get? Boy, stop. Man, stop playing.

Listen, and what did I tell you when you asked me what can she get that I would really like? What's the first thing I said? I think you said perfume, cologne? No, no. I do it every day. I do it every day.

No, that too, but what I smoke every day. Man, this woman bought me a brand new box of Daniel Marshall cigars, man. 24 karat, yeah. 24 karat gold cigars. Wow. A box of them things.

What else? Man, got me some nice cologne. Got me some nice cologne. My baby, my baby, my daughter got me a McDonald's gift card with $1,000 on there. Man. Yeah. Yeah, man. Man. Yeah. Yeah, man. Oh, listen.

I got the new McDonald's. You seen the McDonald's Uggs? Uh-uh. You ain't seen the McDonald's? I got to get you a pair. No, I'm good. I got, come on. I got to get you a pair of McDonald's Uggs.

Like Uggs, like the Ugg boots that the women be wearing in the mall? I mean, not Uggs. Crocs. Oh, I was going to say. I ain't with no damn Uggs. Yeah, yougg boots that the women be wearing in the mall? Not Uggs, Crocs. Oh, I was going to say. I ain't wearing no damn Uggs. You know I'm old. You know I'm old. I be mixing up the name

all type of stuff. I be making them name all type of stuff. But man, today was beautiful. Today was beautiful. I really enjoyed it. Watching the faces, man.

The faces of the kids when they light up. Obviously, they older now. You already know what you're getting. Just to see their faces light up like that, man. The faces of the kids when they light up. Obviously, they're older now. You already know what you're getting. Just to see their faces light up like that, man. And French Fry. Watching French Fry, I don't know what the hell going on. She don't know what's going on, but she got her little present.

She opened them up, and she tearing off piece by piece. Like, girl, let me show you how you do this. You got to rip into that thing. What you doing, man? So next year, I'm sure she'll probably get the hang of it. But I thought that that's I like Christmas time, man.

My kids, they don't really ask for nothing throughout the year. They don't really ask for nothing. It just be small stuff. It be small stuff. And I remember I tweeted out one of my one of my daughter's lists and people like, oh my goodness, that's expensive. Man, listen, if you understood how well they're doing in school,

how well they're doing in school and when they're out of school, just the way they move and everything is... I don't want to take credit. I've done a good job. The moms have done a good job. So when Christmas time comes,

I want to reward them with everything they asked for. So that's a good thing. Elijah Balto, hey Uncle Ocho, when Christmas time come, I want to reward them with everything, you know, they asked for. So, that's a good feeling. Elijah Balto, hey Uncle Ocho, we recently had to put our beloved pet chocolate lab down

and it's really hurting my family, especially my father. Our dog was his little boy. How did you cope with the passing of your dog? Appreciate it. Okay,

don't you, man, don't have me on here crying again like we did last time you were talking about dogs. It's tough. I ain't gonna lie Ocho, it's tough. you man don't have me on here crying again like we did last time you were talking about dog i ain't gonna lie with you it's tough and you don't get over you just deal with it better with time you know you you you get to deal with it but you spend so much time with them and you know the thing is with me ocho i've always said i mean and i've i've seen people keep dogs alive or animals alive for themselves and not for the animal.

The animal's hurting. He can't, he or she can't, it can't tell you it's hurting, but it's hurting, you know. Yeah. And so, you know. But man, it's tough, bro. It's going to take you, it's going to take you a while. It'll take you a while. You're going to cry because you're going to think about the time that, you know, how many times it met you at the door and how excited it was to eat and how excited was you to pet you for you to pet it on its head

but as time passed it gets a little easier for you to deal with you don't get over it i remember all my dogs i remember all of them where i put them where they was at when i had them put down and held up held them in my arm when i had the uh the vet come over there and administered the uh the solution yeah man it's it not easy, but I understand what you're going through, Elijah, Daniel, Kaylee, Hey, Uncle Nocho, what advice would you give to a man finding the right woman to have kids with the right traits in a woman or motherly personality traits? Merry Christmas, bro. That's something only you know. Yep, that's it. Mine, I just look for athletic ability.

Can you run, jump, how high? Let me see your ankles. If we go, you know what I like to do? This is so funny. With Real, when me and Real first met, obviously, you know, the first date had to be something where I had to see if she had

any type of athleticism. And she has a background being in the Army, you know, being first date had to be something where I had to see if she had any type of athleticism. And she has a background being in the Army, you know, being a paratrooper, obviously knowing how to shoot a gun. And ready for war and all this training that she did. So since you like that and you're supposed to be a shooter like that. We go to the ring. Let's go play paintball. Oh, you would. Yeah, we went to play paintball one-on-one.

We went to play paintball one-on-one we went to play paintball one-on-one and we did we did the course and we tried to see who could who could win she got you i need i need to see you operate under pressure because they want they're going to come times in our relationship where they're going to we're going to be put in certain circumstances that are going to be similar to that of paintball. That was fun. That was fun. How do you operate under pressure? Pyro, what a fan said.

Oh, can you give Ash a formal shout out? What's her name? She deserves public recognition from us, the fans. She's cool with it. She's not. She's not. She does not. Man, look here. Anytime I'm taking a picture, I'm like, hey, Jordan, take this picture.

I'm like, where Ash go? Man, Ash on the plane, Ash in the car, Ash done gone to the bathroom. Look here. If you see, you're're not gonna know Ash with me Ash be walking like 15 steps ahead or 25 steps

behind and you think she just like a passenger in the airport going so she does not want any

she's over here sitting in the chair laughing she's sitting over here in the chair laughing Ash man

Ash does not want she is hey she don't want any attention she ain't get oh the first oh look here the first thing with Jordan take a picture did you get me did you did you get me Jordan

let me see I was just like nah I didn't get you let me see she gonna get she gonna get Jordan cut that nah, I didn't get you, let me see. She gonna get, she gonna get Jordan to cut that bitch out. She ain't get no picture of Ash, man. But,

she's amazing. She's, she's unbelievable. She's an unbelievable hard worker. She's extremely dedicated. She's here today. So is Jordan.

You know, they got a little time off. They didn't have to come as early as they normally do. Huh? You didn't have to come as early as they normally do. Huh? You didn't have to come to the house, Ash. Oh, my God.

You did, Ash. You did. But you sleep, Tim. I ain't never seen nobody sleep like Ash. You swear she's a child. I'm talking about she sleep. No, she can literally sleep 14 hours a day. 14 hours a day. I mean, I'll call Ash sometime's a child. I'm talking about she sleeps. No, she can literally sleep 14 hours a day. 14 hours a day.

I mean, I'll call Ash sometime in the day. She's like, hello. I'm like, Ash, it's 1.30. You'd be knocked out. She's like, how did you know I would sleep, Ash? Everybody can tell when somebody, I woke you up. I'm like, bro, like, dude, what's going on? I'm like, Ash, ain, dude, what's going on?

She's over here. I'm like, Ash, ain't that much sleep in the world. But no, she's unbelievable. She's unbelievable. A lot of the success that I've been able to enjoy, that we've been able to enjoy with Nightcap, is directly tied to Ash. So where are we at now with subs, Ash?

Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We started at 544,000 subs Yeah We just hit 548 I love y'all I appreciate y'all Ocho, Ocho, dude Outside chat

You know what I go What I say I go to 600,000 600K, right? 600K by the end of the year I told you I told you, man We gonna Man,000, right? $600,000 by the end of the year. I told you, man, we're going to surpass that. I told you that. I told you that when you mentioned it the first time.

Today is the 25th, so the end of the year, Sunday will be the first, right? Or Monday? Chat. I love y'all. Monday is the first. We got to try to get 56,000 subs between now and Sunday at midnight. Oh get 56,000 subs between now and Sunday midnight. Oh, 56,000?

You know, I'm hollering at my partner. I'm hollering at my partner. Man, we're going to get there. Please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We're now officially at 548,000 subs. Please make sure you subscribe to the podcast,

the feed. You can get it at Nightcap Podcast Feed. You make sure you subscribe to the podcast, the feed. You can get it at nightcap podcast feed. You can also get it through the club. Shea Shea feed. Thank you for supporting us. What we also have done, we pin Shea by LaPortia at the top of the chat. Christmas is gone,

but you know what? Go ahead and get your bottle for New Year's, Valentine's Day or President's Day for a special bottle for you or someone that you love and your favorite uncle would greatly appreciate that. The Ravens do a demolition job on the 49ers, 33-13. They pick Brock Purdy off five times and score on seven straight possessions. They win 33-19.

Who else? the 19 um who else kansas city lose uh unable to secure the afc west uh 20 to 14 to the raiders two back-to-back possessions of a scooping score and a pick six doom the chiefs and right now they need another victory in order to secure the division and then the giants uh... See, I like doing... Hello. You like that little contraption, huh? I'm going to get me one. Baby, if you in the chat,

baby, I need one of them contraptions. I'm using, please. Come on up here. Oh, Wi-Fi real slow right now. What was it? 33-25. The Giants win 33-25,

right? Because they won by eight. They won 33-25. Yep. 33-25. Jalen Hurst is the first quarterback to go back-to-back season with at least 20 touchdown passes and 10 touchdown rushing. He's also set an NFL record for the most rushing touchdowns

in a season by a quarterback with 15. So congratulations to the Ravens, win 33-19. Congratulations to the Eagles, 33-25. And the Raiders went on the road 2014 over the Chiefs. And so, with that being said, I'll see you again. Nightcap with Gil and Shea. What are these? And then, you know, I don't do the retro.

I don't do the retro. Bumblebees. Do you know what I don't do the retro. I don't do the retro. Bumblebees. Do you know what this is, Ojo? What shoe model? Give me 11s. No, 11 is me. I don't, man. If it ain't Jordan 1s, I don't know, man.

What number is that? That's a four. Four. On four and them. On four and them. Okay. So, again, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Please make sure you hit that like button.

Make sure you hit that subscribe button. We hit a record of 43,000 in the chat tonight. Thank you for all for tuning in, for joining us on your Christmas. We greatly appreciate that. Ocho will be back Thursday night. I'll be back Wednesday night with Gil. Thank you again. Hopefully you had a very Merry Christmas, a joyous Christmas celebrated with family, friends, and loved ones alike. Thank you and good night. I love y'all. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company. The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators

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