Nightcap - Nightcap - Seahawks-Eagles, Micah on Cowboys haters, the Anthony Edwards situation

Episode Date: December 19, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Seattle Seahawks upsetting Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles, Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters, Damontae Kazee suspended for rest of 2023 NFL season after illegal hit on Michael Pittman Jr., and much more! 00:00 - Introduction02:50 - Seahawks beat Eagles29:30 - Micah Parsons calls out Cowboys haters42:00 - Cowboys Super Bowl drought01:05:00 - Tommy DeVito upped his appearance fee01:10:15 - Anthony Edwards situation1:29:30 - Unc & Ocho's Family Feud teams1:45:00 - Much More Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's jump right into it. Oh, sure. We got a lot to cover the night. The Seahawks beat the Eagles 20 to 17. The Seahawks were 412 on third downs entering the final drive. They trailed all game, but with two fill-in starters, they came in when they needed to. Two interceptions by Julian Love, a 92-yard game-winning drive by backup Julek. Capped off by JSN, Jackson, Smith, and Jigba.

And Nigba. Jigba. Yeah, and Jigba. His second game-winning touchdown score of the season. Jalen Hurst was 17-31, 143, no touchdowns, two interceptions. Osher, let me start this off. Yes, sir. In a situation like this, you know the number one thing we say,

nothing cheap, nothing deep. Nothing cheap, nothing deep. Brad Baird, you got one responsibility. God dang it, you had just got beat up the rail by DK. So you didn't learn your lesson on that one. I'm going to press again. I'm going to do it again. I'm going to show you.

And now you give up a game winning touchdown. Yeah. They need it. The only way you lose that game, Ocho, a touchdown. A field goal does them no good. Why are you up there trying to press? I think, okay, before you finish,

I'm going to let you finish. Go ahead. In Bradbury's case, I think Bradbury's a little bit more comfortable In situational football like that Or maybe just in general Being up And pressing and being able to get hands on Being able to get hands on the receiver

And trying to find leverage that way Okay, it just so happened In this instance, it didn't work out in his favor But go ahead and finish your point. Ocho, do you realize that you have a lead? The only way you lose that game if you get him up a touchdown. You got a touchdown, you're right. Ocho, you

can't say because I'm more comfortable what is in the best interest of the team. At that point in time, you throw what is most comfortable for you out of the window. Second of all, why are you playing single high? I'm glad you said that. I'm glad you said that because obviously the defensive coordinator made a certain call.

The defensive coordinator made a call based on the situation and what he felt the players he had out there were most comfortable in, and that would be single high and Bradbury. Excuse me. Let me slow down because I'm talking too damn fast. And Bradbury playing bump and run, me slow down because I'm talking too damn fast, and Bradbury playing bump and run, which is why they went single high, because he trusted them. Because if

he felt there was a weakness, if he felt there was a weakness in that certain coverage, then he wouldn't have a minute. You got beat at the most unopportune time. Yes. Yeah, man. And the thing is, is that slaves on the other side.

They're picking on you. What does that tell you? If a team was willing to go at supposedly your best corner, now your other corner, your all other pro bowl, all pro corner, he's out. And they say, you know what? We don't care. We don't want the guy on the other side that's filling in. We don't want the backup.

Right. What does that say about you, Ocho? Let that sink in. I want people at home that's hearing me. I'm going to do like you, Ocho. I'm going to slow down. Yeah. They didn't pick on the guy that replaced Darius Slate.

Yes, sir. They went and picked on the guy that supposedly is their best corner. You have one job, nothing cheap, nothing deep. Nothing deep. Yes, sir. You gave up DK up the rail. Okay, you gave that up you said well damn

maybe I should back off on this situation that was a good catch now that was a hell of a catch that was a hell of a catch that was a hell of a catch yeah nothing cheap

nothing deep so in other words nothing should be behind you right yeah especially in that situation thank you Ocho

this is not the first quarter. There's less than a minute in the ballgame. The only way you lose this game is if you give up a touchdown. Right. It does them no good to try and get in field goal range. They need seven in order to beat you. And you give that up. Yeah.

So do you put the onus of this loss on the defensive coordinator? Or is it strictly Brad Bear? Because obviously there's a play call that comes in. The linebacker sets the call, makes the call for the defense, and they just line up

and execute what is called from the defensive coordinator sitting up in the sky. So who you put it on? You remember I've been telling y'all, I said, Elcho, that secondary can be had. How long have I been telling you

that secondary can be had? How many times I been telling you that secondary can be had? How many times have I told you I watched Sam Howell throw for 394 and four touchdowns? I watched Dak Prescott light their ass up. I watched Brock Purdy light their ass up. Everybody has lit him up. So what does the defensive coordinator know that I don't? Right.

He's right there. He's taking it up on tape. They're terrible on the back end. Yeah. And now you're one of your best guys. He's out. And you still want to, even when you're at full strength, your secondary is getting toasted.

So you mean to tell me with a couple of guys out, you're willing to play that same coverage? Look, I don't know Dre, but when I watch Bradbury, I've never been impressed with his coverage skills. I don't look at him as a – I don't look at him as a Ram, Jalen Ramsey. I don't look at him as a – I don't look at him as those guys. I think he opens the gate too much.

I don't think he's nearly physical enough. He's up in press coverage, but he ain't putting hands on people. I mean, in this situation, you cannot give that up. Right, right. But I mean, and another thing. I don't want to make no excuses for him. I don't want to make no excuses for him. Because we saw what happened.

Again, playing defense, playing corner, which I think, and I've said it multiple times, I think playing defensive back is the most difficult position on the field outside of playing the quarterback position. And in an unfortunate opportune time, you give up a TD when it mattered most to get a goddamn

stop. With a minute left to go on the goddamn clock. If anything, listen, if anything, if I was Bradbury and I was a little uncomfortable and it was a little unsettling for me to be in bump and run in that setting, you know what?

I would have walked my ass right on off and played S7, read my keys, read the three-step, and then get my ass back on the receiver. And then,

if he's going deep, then you're already in position to make a play on the ball. Right, right. But then you got to in position to make a play on the ball right right but then you gotta worry about getting chewed out for not following instructions of the god damn defensive coordinator and the play that he defensive play that he did call

and then they put the other guy on him they said nah DK go on over there you done had your fool of him hey JSN you take it I mean don't say it like that. I'm just being honest. I mean,

and I've been in situations where I've had coaches to tell us, you make sure the starter doesn't get hurt because his backup is better than he is. So what we would do, that's your get around the pile, Ocho, we put him on. I don't want you to get rolled up because the guy that's backing you up, he's going to tear my ass up when he comes here. So I'm going to make sure, I'm going to get you for my arm. I don't want you to get rolled up because the guy that's backing you up, he going to tear my ass up when he come here.

So I'm going to make sure I'm going to get you for four quarters. I ain't dealing with that joke on the sideline. And so for them to bring to, for DK beating him, that's no problem. DK is a Pro Bowl wide receiver. He's a veteran wide receiver, a big body guy. And here, why the hell are you trying to press DK? You know he wants to play through contact anyway. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. But another thing, again, in the case of Bradbury, bigger receivers struggle when you can attack them at the line first. You get a little bit of an advantage if they can't get off. If they can't get their hands off you, then you can win. You can win that battle. A bigger target. Slow him down a little bit. Maybe get a little advantage. It didn't work in that case. On the slant,

it didn't work with the PI. It didn't work. And it didn't work on the deep ball. Ocho, that's good if you technically sound like a long arm Rebus. Yes. Rebus was technically sound. Rebus was never going for the first move.

Oh, no. He wasn't biting on it. All that you dancing, Rebus said, you ain't left the line screaming. And this is the thing about Rebus. That 2009 season was so special, and I don't think people understand

how special it was. I always talk about it. That's one of the first things I talk about when I talk about Rebus. Listen, you know, Salome, you know how many people owe Salome? Yeah. You know how many people owe Sally Mae? You know how patient

Sally Mae has to be? Because she ain't never getting the motherfucking loans back. She ain't nobody paying them shit. That's the kind of patience Rivas had. There's only one player. There's only one player I've ever seen in the history of Rivas' career that I've ever seen actually

get him, and that was the great Stevie Johnson. Consistent. Well, you got to be quick, fast, Twitch. A big receiver, he's going to eat him up. A big receiver, he's

going to eat him up. Every time. This man was so motherfucking strong. Oh, shit, I curse. My bad. God forgive me. He was so strong and

he had an arm bar. He had an arm bar. His ball skills was elite. Yeah. Everything about him was elite. It was great so

the chance of us seeing anything like that again it's going to be a long time coming it's going to be a very long time coming he was great at riding you to the sideline he going to bar you and then all of a sudden he going to look out but he going to be riding you to the sideline the next thing you know you out of bounds

he going to play that ball now he had elite ball skills. He was elite in bump and run. It's just everything pure quality. That 2009 season was special. That'll never ever be replicated or duplicated. And let's go to the other side.

Jalen Hurts. I'm a firm believer. Now, I've been telling y'all, they turn the ball. Shannon, they win it. You a hater I said remember Ocho what's my favorite saying you never accept anything in a win you win the loss okay if you if you didn't have problems when they was winning you shouldn't have problems with the turnovers right now but you do and when I was trying to explain to you there are things that I see in Jalen Hurts he's turning the ball over more than we've ever seen bro we're winning we're

this and that. You didn't want to hear what I got to say. But guess what? I bet I got your undivided attention now, don't I? I got your Philly fans. I got your full and undivided attention. I bet I do now, don't I? Oh, what you know?

Loud mouth, what you know? I know more than you think. I don't know everything. I know a little bit about everything, though. And I know there are certain things. And what I try to do is that I point things out. So when it happens, you're not surprised. You're not surprised by it.

Jalen Hurst was turning the ball. Now, I'm not saying that he's not injured. But he doesn't look the same to me. And he had looked the same since he injured that leg. But the ball, he's turning it over, interceptions. He's fumbling the football. That's increased. Now when that increases, your probability of winning decreases.

Now on the other side, your defense isn't what they were last year. They're not attacking the quarterback like they once did. They're not turning teams over like they could last year. Now all of a sudden when the turnovers was down you guys was taking the ball away and sacking the quarterback that's what you got you got a team that looked was very impressive from start to finish got all the way to the super bowl it was in a couple of minutes of winning the super bowl yeah now basically the same team now you could say oh we got this guy no no it's not it's not your turnovers aren't the same team now you can say oh we got this no no

it's not it's not your turnovers aren't the same and each year that's why you have so that's why it's so hard to repeat

that's why they've been so few repeat Super Bowl winners and even teams that lose the Super Bowl to get back that's why it's so impressive what Buffalo did

Buffalo got back four times, four consecutive times. Was it three, three, or four? It was four, right? Four. Yeah, it was four. Yes. 91, 90, 91, 92, 93. And lost all four.

And lost all four. You will never see that again. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. But, you know, Jalen was 17 for 31, 143, obviously two turnovers. And with the back end of the defense playing as bad as it is and not being able to take away the ball as much as they should. You can't turn it over. Listen, that too, and the offense not clicking on all cylinders like they should.

Listen, the Philly we used to seeing, scoring 21, 28, sometimes 30, but they're not putting up the points like that. And when the defense ain't taking the ball away from you, those possessions that you do have on offense matter that much more. You got to maximize them. You got to maximize them. So if your defense isn't taking it away, what can't you do on offense? You can't give it away.

No, you can't. You can't. And so that's the problem they have. Hey, I want y'all to know I hit that parlay. Y'all been killing me. I want y'all to know, I hit that parlay. Y'all been killing me. I want y'all to jump in this chat right now and say, hey, I appreciate that good looking out, because I hit that parlay. Swift got them yards.

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for the Philly fans or for the Eagles team in general? Their remaining schedule. I think they're going to be all right. Their remaining schedule is the Giants, the Giants, the Cardinals.

They got the Giants twice? Or they got the Giants commanders? I think they got the Giants, Cardinals, commanders. Oh yeah, Giants, Cardinals, commanders. Is that right? Or is it the commanders? I thought they played the commanders. They didn't play the commanders twice already?

Or am I tripping? I don't know. Either way. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. They got the Commanders twice already? Or am I tripping? I don't know. Either way. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. They got the Giants twice. Giants, Cardinals, Giants. Well, there you go.

You definitely can go into the playoffs with some momentum and being able to fix those issues with the three teams you got to play next. Well, two. Two teams you got to play next. But let me ask you a question. Yes, sir. What you think those teams playing the Eagles thinking? Hey, we can get us a win to close out the season.

We might not be going nowhere, but misery loves company. All I know is that when I was going to make the playoffs on show, I'm trying to knock your ass out. Knock your ass out, yeah. Exactly. Right, right. I'm going to be done on Monday. Guess who else is going to get a healthy trash bag?

You. Because you're going to be cleaning out your SHIT too. Yeah. I ain't going to be the only one going home. They're not going to fall that bad, man. They're not going to fall that bad. Right now, they fall to the fifth seed right now. They will be in the playoffs. They're not

going to fall that bad. But again, mistakes that need to be corrected. These next two games, I'm going to just say two because they played the Giants twice. You're playing teams for those mistakes to be corrected and you're going to have to. these next two games, I'm going to just say two because they played the Giants twice, you're playing teams for those mistakes to be corrected and you're going to have to. And that back end, they got to be able to do something. And it all starts with that front end. That front end got to pick up

the slack. The front end got to pick up the slack to make it easier for the back end. Because if the front end don't get there, the back end going to keep getting exposed every time. Bro, you do realize they got beat by Drew Locke.

You don't like Drew Locke? Drew Locke was in Denver slaying that thing, man. I know what you're going to say. Alright, alright. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm talking about from Philly's standpoint. I mean, on that last drive, he was sensational. Yeah.

On the last drive, he got a big arm. Did you see the ball placement? Yes. On that throw to the JSN. Yes. And the one to DK. Yeah. He had to get that up and down before the safety got on.

It wasn't nobody going to catch that ball except the football, the person it was thrown to, or Moses. That's it. DK had an unbelievable game. Sir Big Snow said, Ocho, Debo said Bradbury was trash. He did. Oh, that's right. That was them going at it, huh?

Yeah, but you know, Ocho, when one player said that, I try to take that with a grain of salt because I know a lot of it's game and sometimes, but sometimes a player will tell you how he really feels about another player. Yeah. I don't think they like each other. That's very seldom.

That's very seldom that happens. But you know, Ocho, I don't let what one player says about another player, I don't let that sway me on what I think about that player. I'm going to watch him, and I'm going to critique based on what I see and my intimate knowledge of the game. Now, if somebody says he's trash, I mean, I don't really like to say that, but I'm like, you know what I'm saying to myself? Yeah, he ain't very good.

He might not be trash, but he pretty close. He recyclable. He's trash. He's recyclable he recyclable Clifton Gordon said Brad Bear is definitely overrated can't stand him anymore however much blame should go to the OC

Brian Johnson with the horrible play call with the first seven minutes of the fourth quarter and plus I don't know why Russ had to take that chance on that first interception he didn't need to take that chance on that first interception. He didn't need to take that chance. That guy was covered. Yeah.

That's not A.J. Brown. You don't give your third. I understand that there was a situation. I think they played somebody. Who was that? They played somebody and the third receiver made a play for him. Yeah, a good play. Yeah, you know Zaccheaus. You know exactly what I'm talking about. Zaccheaus made a play for him.

But more times than not, you give your number one receiver, AJ, that opportunity. Or maybe a Devontae Smith. But the third and fourth receiver, you're going to give them that opportunity? Nah, I don't know. Look, I trust them, but there's a reason why they traded what they traded and they paid A.J. Brown. There's a reason why you drafted Devontae within the top ten of the draft. There's a reason why.

I just don't understand why he took that chance. And plus that last throw. Did they have any timeouts? Because they got a kicker that we remember, Ocho. They had two left, if I'm not mistaken. The deep ball. The deep ball that I intercepted by Love. Why would he do that?

Because he got a kicker that can kick it 60 yards. I don't know. I was thinking about that because they had timeouts left, maybe a dig, some short. The middle of the field. You don't have to worry about the sidelines. You can throw the ball to the middle of the field because you have timeouts. Timeouts.

You had two at that. I mean, it was only 13 seconds. You had one play and a timeout. That's it. Yes. All you need, probably, you probably needed about 10, 15 yards. Okay. I get up up there call my time out i got one two seconds let me see if my field goal can get my field goal kicker can get me into

overtime right watch them kick a 60 61 yard or 59 yard just a week ago yeah he got a big leg got a big leg yeah so uh tj ellsworth asked oh uncle shea shea do you believe on both hertz interception there was pi and if so does that stand as an interception when that's an obvious penalty i don't i don't think it was a pi i don't i think it was a poor i think both of them with poor decisions i think the ball was thrown poorly that's just me i mean maybe you saw pi but i didn't know Joe I mean that's tough and with the way the refs are making the calls now where they're calling every goddamn thing they're throwing flags like

yellow handkerchiefs right now they're calling everything and that's what I don't like is the fact that the focal point is now on holding and roughing the passers and and offsides and offsides is now on holding and roughing the passers. And offside. And offside.

It's watering down the flow of the game. It's watering down the flow of the game where they just call, they just nitpicking. So if you want to nitpick, obviously, depending on if you run 100 plays, honestly, you can call some type of penalty on every single play. Every time.

Every time. And I hope the game doesn't come to that where they nitpick on every single play and it just disrupts the flow of a game. But that's the route we're going. Friendly Neighborhood Kid said, as a Hawks fan, we came out with the win, but I think we still need to move on from Pete. What do you guys think? I don't think Pete's going anywhere. I think they hitched their wagon to Pete for the most part. You see all the Legion of Boom with the exception they brought Bobby Wagner back,

but with the exception of B-Wag, the Legion of Boom is no more. Russell is out of there. So now Seattle is basically known for Pete Carroll and so I think the Allen Paul Allen sister who owns the who runs the who owns it and John Schneider and those guys I think I think they're Pete's not I don't believe Pete's going anywhere that's just me personally I mean why do you think why why why would he leave? No. I think he said he thinks they should move on from Pete. And my question is, what do you think you're going to get better than Pete?

That too. That too. That's the thing. I missed one. Jose Castro Rios did tonight show the weakness in the second day of the Eagles what you mean tonight what have you been for four months

I've been telling y'all this but y'all don't think I know what I'm talking about so you know what Ocho what used to irks me especially when I was on CBS is that people don't think if you didn't play the quarterback position they don't think you know anything about football. Only the quarterback studied film.

Only the quarterback practiced. Only the quarterback knew all. What the hell you thought I was doing? You thought I just went to get, you know, I went to get candy bars. I was just, I mean, what the hell you think I was doing there? I watched tape. I studied the game.

I mean, people that played with me and my coaches, they would tell you that I'm a student of the game. I understand the game. Yeah, that that played with me and my coaches they would tell you that i'm a student of the game yeah i understand the game yeah you had to be i mean i try to keep it as simple as i possibly can i don't like to get into the intricacies of it you know i'm saying a nine technique a wide nine yeah yeah yeah a seven i five a three a tilt now you know i'm saying i'm getting all that you know you start talking about okay yeah then then cover six six

kicks cover four. Okay, they're seven, they ain't cloud. Come on, man. Y'all not gonna understand that. Basically, what y'all understand is it's cover two. Right. Shale high.

Look at the two safety. Well, single high safety. Safety in the middle of the field. All that, you know, robber, lurk. Come on. Banjo, you know, I see a signal. Okay. You know what that means?

That's a banjo. That means we bracketing somebody. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh, we passing it off. One or the other. Yeah. Pass it off. Hey, if he comes in there, you got it. If he comes back, I'm here.

Yeah. Yeah. Listen, that shit get exotic now. That shit get exotic and complicated. Yes. And I'm kidding. And this is the funny thing. This is what I like about defense too.

Okay. No, go ahead. I want you to finish this up. I said this is what I like about personnel. And the better your personnel, the more skilled players that you do have, the more exotic and the deeper your playbook

gets defensively. Listen, some of that stuff the Ravens used to run in the 2000s, some of that stuff the Ravens used to run in the 2000s, some of the stuff the Steelers used to run in the 2000s, only they could run that stuff based on the personnel they had. Listen, I saw a defense one time with Paula Malu and Ryan Clark. Before the snap of the ball, I tell you no lie. I tell you no lie.

If I'm lying, I'm flying. Everybody was at the line of scrimmage before the snap of the ball, I tell you no lie. I tell you no lie. If I'm lying, I'm flying. Everybody was at the line of scrimmage before the snap of the ball. Before the snap of the ball, everybody was at the line of scrimmage. And it was some type of exotic bluff. Right before the ball snapped, everybody shot up out of there so fast. They get to wherever their responsibilities were. I'm like, who in the hell? Mm-hmm.

Man, I ain't never seen nothing like that. You talk about- And the thing is, but the thing is, Ocho, that, but here's the thing. Whether you're offense or defense, when you go on the road, you can be less creative because now the communication is a lot harder. And so when we went on the road,

we only had a handful of plays. We either know we running handoff road, we only had a handful of plays. We either know, we running handoff weak or we running toss weak. We ain't got all these plays. We going to check the this and check the that. And everybody's like,

huh? Well, I thought it was this. No, handoff weak, handoff strong. I mean, handoff weak, toss strong. That's what we running. Right.

You know, with you guys, with you guys, you always ran that stretch play too. Yeah. That stretch play, like the goddamn Colts. Like they always used to do it with Edgy James and Joe and the guy. Yes. Y'all love that damn play.

And, hey, listen, TD will hold it. He'll hold it. He'll hold it. And bend that bitch right on back. I had one with him a lot of times. Him and Portis. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

But if you notice, look at all the guys we had. Him and Portis. Yeah, oh yeah. But if you notice, look at all the guys we had. We had Portis, rookie of the year, 1,500 yards back-to-back season. Mike Anderson, rookie of the year, 1,500 yards. That's right, that's right. Yeah, all them guys leave. Reuben Drones, who was the fullback, they put him at I-back.

He goes for 1,250, get paid. TD gets hurt in 99. They put ais gary in there we call him bird so we call him they said man why you calling bird i said that joke is so pigeon-toed i don't know where to throw bird see or say what's up bro i mean hey but bird be housing that thing yeah and so but td all td had to know mike i had one responsibility when td cut back TD had to know. Mike, I had one responsibility. When TD cut back, he had to know that defensive end wasn't going to put his helmet in his hip. Right. That was my sole responsibility. That's not going to happen on my watch.

Now, he would ask me, hey, 84, what you got backside? I said, hold up, TD, keep your front side. Right, right, right, right, right. I said, you come back here right now, bad thing is going to happen. Give me an opportunity. Give me a bad thing going's going to happen to you. Let you wear him down a little bit? I say, I got to cut

him a few more times. Let me cut him a few more times. You know, hey, I had him like cockroach feet up in the air. Hey, Diddy, come see your boy. And now all of a sudden he hit that thing. Yeah. He out the gate. But, you know, I had to soften him up.

I had to soften him up, though. The first two quarters, keep the front side of the house, keep it to the strong side. Don't come back here weak side. I like that. Michael called out Cowboys haters. What I don't understand is

everybody just waits for the Cowboys to lose. I saw multiple analysts, people who are fake analysts who somehow got jobs on TV saying there goes your boy. It's almost to the point where it's like almost sick. Some of these people are like mentally sick. They're waiting for former players or former players are waiting for current players to fail so that they can have something to talk about. I don't I don't think I don't think Micah really understands who he's playing for yet. I don't think Michael really understands who he's playing for yet.

I don't think he understands. Yeah, he does because he talks. I don't think he understands. You remember at the beginning of the year, he talked about historical defense? He said that. He said they got a historical defense. Now, this is what I don't know.

This is what I don't know. I never heard Michael Parsons because I was one of the first ones that ran out. I said, this is the best player in the draft. Even though he did not play his senior year, based on what I had seen him play his junior year and based on what I saw at the combine, it fit. You can see the way he timed, the way he jumped,

he's explosive, he's sudden. So whatever you saw on tape, he confirmed it at the combine. I didn't hear him say one time, these so-called fake analysts saying I'm going to be great. I didn't hear him say one time, these so-called fake analysts saying I'm going to be great. I didn't hear him say that one time these analysts said I should be rookie of the year. He never said, he never

said anything when they said it's bad LT. He's the closest thing I've seen to LT. That's what I don't get. Why don't you say it's too much praise when guys are heaping that praise on you when you wrecking shop he never says them former players waiting on me they talk hey hey hey shannon man that's too much man don't be saying i'm gonna be this good don't say i'm gonna be running rookie

of the year don't say i'm gonna win rookie of the year and defensive player of the year come on man that ain't right why you why? Oh, he don't mind when they root for him. Even though I don't believe players are rooting against him, but he don't mind when they're cheering him on. It's just that when you go out there and you didn't have the type of game,

and they found ways, and we saw this 49ers give you a great blueprint. Make him use his eyes. Hey, instead of making him swim, make him catch. Put that tight end on him and say, okay, stand up in here now. We're going to want you to stand up because you said you wanted to play with your hand in the dirt. And the Buffalo Bills put them tight ends on him.

They put them big guys on him. And all of a sudden, he didn't have the same type of game. Bro, I can imagine Reggie White, LT, DT, and all the greats complaining. And he talk about the media. What the hell you think you in? Where did you say this at? On your show? On your podcast?

Do you realize you're part of the media also? Yeah. Yeah. I think he has to understand what comes with playing for the Dallas Cowboys. I still don't think he understands. I still don't think he understands that the Dallas Cowboys move the needle.

The Dallas Cowboys, the Los Angeles Lakers, and the New York Yankees, they move the needle. They will always be talked about, criticized, and analyzed different than any other team. That's just the way it is. It's the lay of the land.

It will always be that way. But what they got to do, what they got to do, all they have to do in order to shut up the analysts, in order to shut up the haters, the so-called fake analysts that never play the game,

is you got to go out there and execute week in and week out. Ocho, but that was the problem. It's a simple fix. Remember, Ocho, that was just saying. He ain't even never played a game. Now you got guys playing the game. Oh, now they're fake analysts. Now you said at first you had a problem with guys criticizing you or critiquing your game that

never played now all the networks a lot of most of the networks have guys that played the game critiquing your game now that's a problem oh then you say well what have he done y'all sure y'all want to answer me that question are you sure are you sure, I know I've been away from the game, and a lot of people don't, and I don't really care. I'm going to say what I'm going to say based on what I see. Now, y'all know y'all can't BS me now. Y'all need to stop playing. I'm too big of a cat to be played with like a kitten.

Now, I keep telling y'all that. So when your owner's out there running his yap about how historically great this defense is, when everybody is writing about you in Dallas, talking about this team is so close and this team seems different, you ain't got no problem with that. But the moment that y'all, all you got to do is show up against one of these, against the 49ers, all you got to do is show up. Against the Eagles on the road, all you got to do is show up. All you had to do was show up against Buffalo.

Because everybody just wait. I told you do is show up. All you had to do was show up against Buffalo. Because everybody's just waiting. I told you this team feels different. Really? Well, I don't know what y'all want to beat. I want y'all to beat somebody. Go on the road and beat somebody. Yeah. Now that I think about it, let me see.

They lost to the Bills 31-10. The remaining, the rest of the, I'm going to call it the gauntlet. The rest of the gauntlet for them. They got beat 42-10 by the 49ers. Got beat 28-16 by the Cardinals, minus Kyler Murray. Yeah. Listen, they got the Dolphins,

the Lions, and the Commanders. But them two, them two next ones, that tells the whole story. That tells the whole story. Them Dolphins, you already know what's happened.

Tyreek back next week. But here's the thing, Ocho. That tells a whole story. That tells a whole story. Them Dolphins, you already know what's happened. Tyreek back next week. But here's the thing, Ocho, and what I've been trying to tell people, and people all, you know, I say the Cowboys are different. They're deep. This is a defense.

I understand that Dak is playing unbelievable MVP-type football. Oh, yeah. But you see what happens when they don't get turnovers? When you see what happens, how they look when they don't get big fixes and scooping scores or put their offense on the short field? You see how

they look? You tell me that's the same team when they didn't get the turnovers against the 49ers or they didn't create turnovers. They didn't create. I think they might have had one against Arizona. I think they might have had one on the road against Philly. They got none against Buffalo. See,

they're not losing a field goal game they're getting demolished demolished yeah you know i think the problem is and i and i talked to you about this too before i said do you really think it's an advantage when you play when you're playing at home as opposed to playing on the road yeah the cowboys scoring 40 points a game when they playing at home and 21 points a game on the road. So that's basically three touchdowns, Ocho. That's three touchdowns different. That's not, okay, we scored 28 points on the road.

I mean, at home, we scored 24 on the road. Bro, do you understand that's three touchdowns? Three? Oh my good, that's you know, I won't. Look at the takeaways at home. I think they're plus 10. On the road, they're minus.

Minus, yeah. That's crazy. That's crazy. Predicated on defense, getting scooping scores, pick six in short fields. And this is what we're talking about. But, Micah, you have to understand, as a preeminent player, you have to show up in moments like this, bro. You take these guys, it doesn't matter.

And remember, we talked to Coach Prime. And Prime, I want to thank you for coming on last night. Everybody say how much they loved the episode. It's our highest episode thus far. I think we had a tick. Ocho, we had a tick up under 45,000. I think we had 44,932. Yes, sir.

So we had a tick under 45,000. So we want to thank Coach Prime for coming on, gracing us with his presence, and dropping some knowledge on us. But can you imagine when people say, oh, Prime ain't show up. Reggie White ain't show up. Bruce Smith ain't show up. Reggie White ain't show up.

Bruce Smith ain't show up. Ray Lewis, 15 ran for 600, 15 ran for 240 yards on the Baltimore Ravens defense. Imagine if Ray came out and said, hey, man, these so-called fake analysts and haters. Really? Do you understand the company that people

have already put you in, and you ain't have no problem with that. If you shouldn't have a problem with criticism, see, and this is what happens. If you live for, T.I. said it, if you live for the applause, you will die by the criticism. You see? Whoa, whoa, whoa. You see? Hold on now, hold on.

I think T.I. said that. Hold on, let me get my pen. Hold on. I'm in a hotel. I like that one. I left my notepad in Miami. Boy, give me that one again, boy. Yeah, if you live for the praise,

you die by the criticism. Yeah, I'm going to use that on real. I'm going to use that. Why you use everything on real? going to use that on real. I'm going to use that. Why you use everything on real? Don't use that on real. Because that's the only person I get into it with. So I got the Hatties in my pocket now. Yeah, that's a good one, boy.

But that's the thing. But Micah needs to understand, because of his level of greatness, there's a greater expectation facing him. Yeah. And because he doesn't get to have an off game and not to say that look and but you have to understand there's a cycle now like when those other great plays there was no 24-hour news cycle you had your local reporter and the group of reporters but now everything they can go back at every plate yeah a guy can pull up every plate somebody can pull it up on their computer and show it look at michael michael ain't working here look

at this guy put michael on his back look at this look at that they didn't have that before so i'm not going to sit here and tell you because i know i break it broken down all the greats all the greats have been blocked all the greats have been pancak. All the greats have had games in which they didn't play their best. So do you think it's okay? It's okay to say, okay, you know what? The Cowboys can have a game like this as opposed to... They've had too many of them.

But Cowboys, they tend to fold. Yeah, but look who they're beating. We're asking them when you step up in competition and play a bully like you somebody that can look you in your eye man don't don't don't pick on him hey right you know how the other old joe with some people cracking jokes they don't get mad at the people telling the joke they get mad at the people that's laughing oh yeah but what you laughing at he told a joke that's what

i'm laughing at so the cowboys they pick picking on the commanders. They picking on the Giants. They picking on the Jets, the Panthers. Okay, here come the 49ers. Okay, right, right. Oh, there come Buffalo. The teams you're going to see in the playoffs, basically. Yes. Show me.

Show me what y'all what y'all say y'all are. If you're tired of people saying that you're not this, all you do, you just repeat it. And that's what I said. Look, all I said, I need to see. I need to see. Faith is believing

in the unknown. God said that. God said, if you have faith, I'll show you. Well, I'm a man. I need you to show me to have faith. And I ain't seen it. You've seen it. Remember two years ago when Dak had that great season? Almost

4,000 yards. And guess what happened when the 49ers came in? And what did the 49ers do to him? Got him put his foot up in him, got him right on the powder there. Last year, even though he missed five games, he tied for the league in interceptions. Go on the road to the 40, that's what they do.

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To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What if this is their year, though? What if this is their year when they get that first round of the playoffs and they get past that first round? We've seen them get past the first round. We haven't seen them get past the second round. They get past that divis round? We've seen them get past the first round. We haven't seen them get past the second round. They get past that divisional round. Okay. Have you seen it? Now, you do realize they haven't been past that first round. So, how

old were you in 95? 95, I was 22. You weren't 22. 79, you were 16. So, think about that. You weren't 22. 79, 60, you were 16. So think about that.

You were 16. Wait a minute. Let me give him a calculator. Hold on. You don't need no calculator. I calculated for you. Okay. You were 16.

And you're not 32. You're not even 36. So let that sink in for just a second. Yeah. Yeah. That's how long it's been since they've been past the second round. Wait, it's been that long? Yeah.

When they won the Super Bowl in Arizona. 95. And they still get the type of media attention and criticism. Yes. Yes. Yes. That is truly America's team. You do understand that, right?

For you to not have won in so long. Because their fans are delusional. Because Jerry tells them every year and everybody buys into it. This is their year. It's kind of like the kid, the parent to tell the kid,

oh, I'm going to take you tomorrow. And tomorrow never comes. But you still hold out hope that what he said is going to come true. Or that Christmas gift that you were expecting that never came. Yeah. I mean, I remember my grandmother told me. At the beginning of receiving, all 32 teams had that same speech and that same talk from their head coaches.

Nah, but their owners are not out there peddling that. See, nobody else's owner is saying that this team reminds me of those Super Bowl teams when you had those seven, eight Hall of Famers on it. What other owner is saying that? What other owner is telling you who's going to play, who's injured, the injury report? What other owner is telling you who's going to play, who's injured, the injury report? What other owner is doing that?

What other owner is saying after you beat the commanders that this is the happiest that I've been? What other owner after you beat a division rival says, you know what, this is the best we've played? What other owner is doing that? Him. But Jerry Jones, he's always been front and center, though. He's always been that way. Because he wants it about him. No matter how great Dak plays, when you think

of the Cowboys, who do you think about, Ocho? Jerry Jones. Jerry, because he's always front and center. I think he likes that, though. And all the other owners, Patrick Mahomes, Clark Hunt says, I don't need that. Robert Kraft got six championships since he got his last one. Think about that. He's been nine times.

He got six. Damn. And Mr. Kraft's like, hey, Coach Belichick, Tom, y'all, Tommy. He calls him Tommy. He calls both of them Tommy. I mean, Tommy and Billy. That's what he called Coach Belichick, Billy. He calls Tom, Tommy

y'all get that, I don't need that he craves that and that's why he got Jimmy up out of there because he wouldn't get that he wanted that right ah man so do you think maybe if Jerry was to move out

the way, maybe the expectations in the result the one guy that can never lose his job So do you think maybe if Jerry was to move out of the way, maybe the expectations and the results? Okay, okay, okay. The oldest and one guy that can never lose his job. I mean, he can't lose his job. I'm talking about just taking a backseat as far as being the face and the voice of the Cowboys. Let the players do it.

Let Dak do it. You do realize that they got guys that got way more money than Jerry, and we don't know who the hell they are? If Jerry were to move— Who got more money than Jerry and we don't know who the hell they are? If Jerry were to move... Who got more money than Jerry? Man, Jerry probably the 1300th or 1400th richest person in the world. There are a lot of people

that got more money. I mean, I know there is. I was speaking on... I thought you meant with the Cowboys. But why not? Because they don't own the Cowboys. Okay, I see what you're saying.

I see where you're going. That's why you think those rich people tried to get those teams. That's a level that, and some rich people don't want that. Some people are like, hey, I got my 30, 40, 50, 100, 200 billion. I'm cool.

I'm cool. I love my anonymity i'm gonna go get on my you know my 300 400 foot yacht remember mega yacht not just any yacht mega yacht oh joe you know what to say it is ain't no crying on the yacht ain't no crying on the yacht it ain't no crying 35 000 feet up on the air on the G6. They cool with that. But Jerry is so tied to the Cowboys. I mean, that's his baby. That's his baby.

That's our man. That's your guy. So who can tell Jerry? How about, you know what? I think things will change for us as a team, as an organization. If you kind of took a backseat a little bit, if you didn't be the voice, if you didn't say some of the things

that puts a strain on the team to have to go out there and perform by saying things like, this is one of the best defenses or this is the Super Bowl contending team. Who can talk to him and he can actually listen and be like, you know what?

Maybe you're right. Steven is a right-hand man. Steven is the guy that most of the time when you see Jerry sitting up at the podium or the desk, is Steven next to him. Also, now, he does have a—Jerry's name is Gerald. He does have a junior, and he has a daughter, Charlotte. And I think his wife is named Jean. So,

probably probably Steven. Probably Steven. I mean, this would be a good time at some point. I mean, I'm just saying, after all these years, I'm not sure how Cowboys fans feel about it, but I think maybe the direction of the team

will go where it needs to go if Jerry took a backseat and then tried to take all the attention and put the onus and the pressure on the players to go out and perform and just allow them to play the game like the other 31 teams do that don't have their owners putting the pressure on them to go out there and succeed.

Well, you know, Ocho, when I was in Baltimore, Brian Billick did a lot of talking. So he was essentially writing checks that we had to cash. Yeah. And we had a defense that could cash those checks. Or steal it. Either one. Y'all could steal it too.

Shit. So now the thing is, now, if Jerry was talking like he's talking right now in the 90s, when he had Playmaker and Emmitt and Troy and he had all those guys. He had Nate Newton. He had Tuanay. He had Gogan and Stepnowski and Big Easy. And then you had Leon Letton. You had all those guys Tobert and Chasley

and Darren Woodson and all those guys. You could do that. You could do that. Could you? Yeah, you could do that. Could you? But everybody said they want to see my shirt. This is what I do right here. It's all I got for you, Joe. I gave 100% of that work.

10% Monday, 30% Friday. Friday, you ain't getting nothing. Friday, you already know. It's already the weekend. Yeah. So, 49th and King donated 50 bucks

and he asked, Uncle Ocho, do you think the Cowboys are better at home because of the speed of the field versus the natural turf outdoor style?

No. I think the thing is that when they go on the road, teams run the ball at them. They're a light football team. They're built on speed. And so they're predicated on having a lead. Look at the games they've lost.

They had no lead. It's hard to get after the quarterback when you dial 14 and they run in the ball down your throat. You can't sack the quarterback if he ain't got the ball. Yeah. So that's what teams are doing. Teams are putting them in a deficit. So now you got to sit in there because they're an undersized team.

They're all about getting, hey, it's like Floyd, I think Floyd Peters, the famous says, hey, we're going to stop the run on the way to the quarterback. And so that's how the Cowboys think. Everybody's trying to attack the quarterback, attack the running game on the way to the quarterback. Well, when you got guys firing off on you, hey, you remember what D-Law said? Oh, you hit a mofo in the mouth, you hit him over and again and again

and again and again and again. So when a mofo line up and they hit you in your mouth again and again and again and again, and when you try to make a pile, they lift your butt up and get hit you in your mouth again and again and again and again and when you try to make a pile they lift your butt up and get you up out of there again and again and again yeah then you got 266 yards josh allen threw the ball 15 times yesterday he completed five and in the conditions like that what the hell you think they're gonna do ocho they got to run you got to run you ain't got no choice you ain't got no choice. You ain't got no choice. I don't know what they thought was going to happen.

At that point in time, and we see James Cook, we see Joe Brady relying a lot more on the run game with James Cook. Not only running the football, they're throwing the ball to him, allowing him to get down the field. We see him, we caught that touchdown. And see,

they like to play with those undersized and third down and nickel. They like to play with undersized linebackers. You remember what Deion Dawkins did to number 33? He walked him down the field about 20 yards, choked him on his head, and they had to come get him. Yeah, he was hurt. That's a whole lot of weight on you.

I don't care how big, how bad you are, but them 300 pounds will start leaning on your ass, and you 220, you 230, bad things gonna happen, Ocho. Bad things gonna happen. This is ballgame. Listen, physics is undefeated. Physics is undefeated.

Slim from the sticks said, ass doing live stream is crazy. Ocho, I'm bad looking, man. Slim, Slim. Man, you know the old pool hustler tried to get paid, man. Ocho, I'm looking, man. Slim. Slim. Man, you know the old pool hustler trying to get paid, man. Ocho and I got miles to feed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ocho got like eight, nine miles. I got like seven, eight miles to feed, bro. Help a pool hustler. 11. You got 11? 11. I got 11, man.

We're working on one more. 11 in the possible. Listen, listen. 11 in the possible. I don't even play space. Damn. Yeah, man. And the key is expensive now.

Ocho, you remember I told you we was having a conversation the other day and we was talking about finance about people and somebody asked us what did

we, you and I and our kid's mother argue about and I said, you know, money about private school. And people say, 15,000? Man, that ain't no money.

I'm paying that now. You do realize that was 25-plus years ago. You do realize that was 25-plus years ago. Right. Again, you do realize that was 25-plus years ago. And you do realize I had three kids. So you sure that we're on the same level of playing field? Okay.

Now you get my point. I hope like when you're talking about this, when we're talking about our kids, all my kids are grown. Yeah. My baby's in her last year is about to go to residency. I'm a granddad. So clearly I ain't got no teenagers.

I mean, I could theoretically, but I don't. All my kids have graduated undergrad. My youngest daughter went undergrad. She got a master's. Now she's about to get a doctorate. So come on, people. That's loud. And I'm not saying that to say comparison.

I understand that having a child now, and you have to work and you have to put the kid in daycare, it's expensive. That's the number one cause to eat at finances of a family is daycare for a child. Because it's expensive. And you got to have somebody, and you

need to have somebody that you trust to watch your child. And I get it. And it's not cheap. And that's why, you know, you have a couple of kids, man, you need to be making damn near half a million dollars to have a couple of kids. Not Ocho. It ain't like it was when

we were growing up. People had kids like my mom and my grandma when they were born. That was free labor. You had work. They put your ass to work. That's what that was for. They had a bunch of kids. kids you know my grandma had nine kids yeah and all of them had to hit the fields man look here oh joe i remember this had to be how was i said this had to be 73 74 i'm gonna say 73 74 right right right My granddaddy came home. He said, I want everything big enough to

sop syrup to hit that field tomorrow. Everything. Now, you know you ain't got to be that big to sop syrup. Yeah. You sure don't. So everybody had to. Mr. Joe Tatum, I talk about him a lot because he would come by and pick us up. Now, I was at the time now, he met the older kids.

I was the youngest by three years. I'm three years younger than my brother. My sister is eight years older than me. Now, I got an aunt that's nine years older than me. And then I got a couple of them that was 11, 12, 13 years old. Right, right. He's eight. And so when Mr. Joe pulls up, I'm sitting

on the porch. Like I said, I'm five or six years of age. He said, Barney, what about that little fella? He said, Joe, he pretty little. He said, Barney, we can find something for him to do. I'm like, what the hell you mean? You find something for me to do? I'm like, what the what?

Yeah. Guess what? Walked behind the tobacco pickerer i had to pick the lead that hit the ground right i had to pick him up and take him to the guy yeah and then now we said i had to carry a rope now the roads probably was about 200 yards long i carry a rope by myself saying look now people in north carolina south carolina, and Georgia, I don't know the other states, or maybe Alabama, Mississippi, but the first picking is called sand lugging. That means the leaves

are closest to the ground, and they're on the sand. So that's called sand lugging. Backbreaking work. But you know, you're young. Hey, man, I'm 5'7", 8'8". I'm out there with my cousins. Hey, I'm trying to win. I bet I could beat y'all. I'm racing there with my cousins hey I'm trying to win I bet I could beat y'all I'm racing the big kids

I'm trying to win but the key to what he did Mr. Joe what he would do we would get up and the truck was back there so we'd have to pull the truck up and the older kids they had to got smart that means they had to run back to get the truck

and they didn't want to do it he's like Pee Wee Sundown why don had to run back to get the truck, and they didn't want to do it. He's like, Pee Wee Sundown, why don't y'all go get the truck? We five. Landy is two years older than me. We five. We five and seven, six and eight. He letting us drive.

Took off. Yeah, we letting us drive. You know what I'm saying? I was like, yo. I could barely see what I was dealing with. Wait, you could reach the gas? You could reach the pedal? That's what I'm saying. I'm up here like this here. Oh, you're standing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm barely go to steel you can reach the gas you can reach the pedal that's what I'm saying I'm up here like this here I'm barely

barely but the fact that he trust enough to drive the truck in the field so that's what we learn how to drive drive the track just drive all that stuff but man hold on retired senior chief US Navy said man I'm going to tell y'all, I would pay for Bishop Gorman.

I would pay. Look, man, I ain't going to tell y'all what I would pay for Bishop Gorman here in Vegas. Would he go to school? He wants to go to school there. Bishop Gorman? For his kids to go there. Oh. Oh, yeah.

Oh, that's in Vegas. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, if I'm not mistaken, Randall Cunningham kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't going to tell y'all what I would pay. Man, please. If it was left up to me, I ain't paying for no school, man.

I ain't paying for no school. No? Unless now, it's just like, we're the area that we live. Because you know, Ocho, back in the day, you had to go into school

to the district where you went. You couldn't go across town if you lived. Oh, no, no. Yeah, it was the same thing in Miami. It was the same thing like that in Miami. It's based on address. Based on your address,

it tell you what school you're supposed to go to. Obviously, I grew up in Liberty City. And for me, I was upset. It all worked out for me on the back end. At the end, my past was a little different. I lived in Liberty City. I grew up in the 40s. Miami Northwestern is on 71st Street.

Miami Jackson Senior High is on 36th Street. I'm supposed to be at Jackson, but Miami Northwestern was close enough for me to actually go there as well. My grandma, counselor and teacher at Nautilus Middle School on Miami Beach. It's time for high school. I'm hype. I'm thinking I'm getting ready to go. I'm going to go to school with my homeboys right here in the hood. Either I'm going to go to the West or I'm going to go to Jackson. It's time to go to high school. This woman, baby, I know you want to go to the West or I'm going to go to Jackson. It's time to go to high school. Baby, I know you want to go

to school with your fellas and your boys, but I got to keep an eye on you. And I really can't see you all the way from Miami Beach over here. So I'm going to make you go over here to Miami Beach Senior High right down the street from me just in case there's an emergency. Ain't no emergency.

Ain't no emergency. I want to go play football with my dogs. I want to go play football with my dogs. I want to play football with my homeboys. But then in hindsight, on the back end, instead of getting lost in the wash of talent,

playing against them was that much better. Right. I mean, it hurt my feelings not to be able to play with the people I grew up with. But playing against a fan,

that was one of the greatest feelings. Man, high school was a dope experience. I wish I could experience it again. And now, Ocho, high school they give out scholarships, because a lot of these high schools that you know you are, it costs money to go there, man, I wasn't

first of all, we ain't got no money to go it costs money to go, high school says yeah, yeah you talking about like IMG or something? I'm talking about like Valor. Like in Colorado, Valor, that's where the McCaffrey brothers went. Right, right, right. Oh, yeah, that's probably $25,000, $25,000 a year.

Whoa, come on, come on, man. Come on, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back, bring it back. $25,000 a year? IMG Academy is like $60,000 a year. But, oh, scholarships take care of the funding? Yes. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Because my next question was like, well, where the hell they getting their goddamn money from? Okay. But a lot of parents, a lot of people play to get their kids in there. Because the IMG Academy, you know, they got tennis. That's a rest your soul, Nick Boletarian. I've met him a couple of times,

and he wanted me uh uh wanted me to come down there uh this bishop gorman cunningham demarco murray dtr ronnie staley brevin jordan all went to that high school okay okay well they got some dogs came out of there now yeah yeah yeah but you know uh you know oh joe a lot of times um, and I don't have a problem with that. Sometimes people will remove their kids to duck competition. I mean, I had a neighbor that he said that he was moving because he wanted to move to a smaller town to give his kid a better opportunity to play. He said, because being in Atlanta, the competition is too great. Very high.

That's a good thing, though. That's a good thing. I ain't ducking no competition. Yeah, you want. I ain't ducking no competition. Yeah great. Very high. That's a good thing though. That's a good thing. I ain't talking no competition. Yeah, you want... I ain't talking no competition. You got... That's the air we in that too, man. The fact that we have

participation trophies and we praising mediocrity, it's going to be tough. And all that reclassifying and holding your kid back so he can be a year older. Nah, uh-uh. No, let me go. Let me go.

What is meant to be going to be? Be, yeah. Most definitely. And playing against better competition, at some point, you have no choice but to get better. No choice but to get better. That's what helped me, Ocho. Think about it. I'm playing against my brother, three years older than me, my cousin, two years older than me.

Most of them, like Arnell, was seven years older than me. Eugene, six years older. Robbie was eight years older, seven years older. Bernard was four years older. So I ain't had no choice. I'm the youngest one. And them jokers call it, you know what I'm saying? I'm the last one picked.

You know, I'm trying to play basketball. Oh, travel. Oh, he walk. I'm like, ah, bro, y'all do realize, man, I'm the last one picked you know I'm trying to play basketball or travel or he walk I'm like god bro y'all do realize man I'm the youngest one out here ain't cutting no slack at all man them jokers tackling me throwing me down hey but that's okay but when I got to school with kids my

age yeah they got no chance no chance of tackling me no chance of beating me in basketball none of of that. That ain't going to happen. Ochoa, I know you saw this. Demonte Kazee was suspended. The NFL brought the hammer down on Pittsburgh Steelers

safety Demonte Kazee after his helmet helmet hit on Michael Pittman, Jumer, and Steelers 30-13 loss on the road in week 15. The league announced it's suspending Kazee for the rest of the 2023 season and possibly, impossible, playoff game should the 77 Steelers reach the postseason.

I saw the hit. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do? Especially with that throw. What are you supposed to do? What are you supposed to do as a defender? I talked to you when Kareem Jackson got suspended for a second time. What are you supposed to do as a defender?

I talked to you about the NFL and the competition committee obviously wanting to protect the players, but also handicapping the game and it becoming watered down. What are you supposed to do in that situation outside of play two and touch? What are you supposed to do in that situation outside of play two and hand touch? What do you do? I guess the NFL said, nah, we don't

want you to hit him in that situation. Because if you hit him, we're going to drop the hammer on you. Because that's what they did. What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together? What's going to happen when all the defensive players come together and every time someone is in a vulnerable position where they can get a flag, they actually just tap the player.

Just tap the player. Like, just two-hand touch on purpose. Just two-hand touch him on purpose. That's what you might as well do. That's what it's going to come to. Yeah, Ocho, I think the thing is, because the NFL has said, look, if there was ever such a thing as a vulnerable position, he was in it. But I'm like, no. That was a throw, too, now. That was a throw.

So the quarterback hung him out to dry. Yeah. And, you know, I understand the quarterback hug him out the drive. Yeah. And, you know, I understand the quarterback and our nature is that I'm trying to catch everything on trying a lot.

Even though I know I'm going to get, I'm going to get level every time. But I want to, I always want the quarterback to believe that he can throw it to me

and good things are going to happen. And either I'm going to come down with it or it's going to hit the turn. But I'm not going to get intercepted. But that's the tough. And I feel

bad for Kazee because it's not like the guy's making, you know, like he made $30 million, $40 million. Right, right. And even before, I mean, you know, it's not like he got another six, seven years in the NFL or Joe either. Right. And so you're taking, you know, $30,000, $40,000,

$50,000 paycheck from this man. Maybe more. Yeah. Come on, man. It's crazy. Ocho? What do you do? A piece of parlor cancels Tommy DeVito's appearance at the double appearance price. Tommy DeVito had a

bad day on Sunday on and off the field. A piece of place in Morristown, New Jersey hired DeVito for a meet and greet. Took to Instagram to explain the abrupt cancellation. Tommy DeVito will not be here this Tuesday as

originally planned. After last week's win, we received word from his agent that the appearance fee would be doubling. It went from $10,000 to $20,000. We're a small family-run business and decided that the appearance fee would be doubling. It went from $10,000 to $20,000. That's right. We're a small family-run business and decided that $20,000 was a little too steep for two hours.

The post came after the Giants lost 24-6 to the Saints. The restaurants added, sorry about the loss today, Giants fan, but we're Italian and we don't like when someone says one thing and does another. Listen, Tommy DeVito is the quarterback

for the New York Giants. Football Giants. He is the face now of that franchise right now. Yesterday's price is not today's price. Now, if he was still the backup, then that $10,000 appearance fee,

I understand. Ocho. I get it. But they had a deal. They screenshotted text communication that said he had agreed to $10,000. Was there a document? Was there a signed contract, a signed document?

Ocho, that's what I'm telling you. There was text conversation that said, okay, we'll do it for 10,000. Oh, you just said text conversation. That ain't going to work in court. That ain't going to work in court. Actually, it will. We need documentation. No, it's not a documentation, Ocho.

I tell you what, Ocho. I tell you what you do. Tell me you're going to tell me you're going to give me $100,000 if this show takes off. And then all of a sudden the show takes off and I don't give it to you. And we got text conversation

that will absolutely hold up in court. I don't know. All I can say about Tommy DeVito is he is the quarterback for the New York football giants. And yesterday's price is not today's price. So I have a better understanding of what he's doing and why he's doing it. Because the value has increased because you are now the starter. Ocho, if you give some Ocho. I get it.

I know what you're saying though. I know what you're saying. Let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho. What an appearance fee for Shannon Sharp in 2023 is different than it was in 2024. But if I had agreed to it and the price in 2024 is going to be a difference in 2023. Right. I've agreed to some appearances in 2024. But I signed them. I agreed agreed to some appearances in 2024, but I signed them. I agreed to them in 2023.

I gave them people. I gave them people my word. OK, I will do it for that for that number. Now, think about it. Think about now we got this was before nightcap. This was before I had the ESPN deal. This was before I was voted complex personality. Number one.

I gave them people my word. I would do it for that. Now, I could, man, hey, man, look at all of what I done got now. So, the price. It goes up. Your value, your value has of what I done got now. So the price. It goes up. Your value, your value has increased. And that's okay.

That's okay. My word is everything. If you ain't got your word, you ain't got nothing, Ocho. Oh, your word. Oh, wait a minute. Because now I got you in the pickle. Because if your word is everything, I would have been on first take by now. I told you once I get in good, I ain't in good.

It's been goddamn seven months. Ocho, you do realize I'm on a date. I got days. I ain't got no year contract. I got days. Okay, we're going to work on a full-time contract.

We're going to work on that. Let me know. Matter of fact, if the bosses come to you or Steve and Nate come to you about doing full-time, make sure we have package deal. What kind of package?

Like a package shop? A package. Nah, there ain't no package. La Portia and Cigar? Yeah, because if you going, if you hiring me, you got to bring Ocho with you. You know, Ocho,

you know I was going to be a what you call him because you do know, have you ever heard of a gonna be a what you call him because you do not have you ever heard of a thing of a verbal contract right right right right yeah yeah it doesn't need everything doesn't need to be on this you think them text messages that really hold up in a quarter long not saying it's going to that magnitude but you think that'll really hold up

absolutely do you know how many businesses have been split on a verbal contract or text email yeah that's the first thing they said.

Be careful. Anthony Edwards got himself into a situation. That's my dog. He has a girlfriend. Yeah. And I guess another female. And both of them is pregnant. And what happened, I think the girlfriend.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on, lad. Come back to me. Come on back home, baby. Wait. He got a girlfriend. Okay. He got a girlfriend. Slow down for me. And a side piece. Okay, okay, okay. If I'm not mistaken,

if I'm correct, the girlfriend posted that she's pregnant. Okay. Anthony, I was... I'm lost. I'm too old for this shit. What do you mean you lost? Because you said he got his girlfriend and she's pregnant. You got real.

Real post on IG, she's pregnant. The next thing you know, the side piece you messing with, she posted, she's pregnant too. Oh, no, I don't like that. Okay. I don't even like that hypothetical. I don't like that. You know even like that hypothetical I don't like that You know what God

Hold on Hold on You need to Wish that God damn devil Devil Don't play Baby I know you in the chat

Baby don't pay him no mind honey No But now I'm with you now though I'm with you now Baby, I know you in the chat, baby. Don't pay him no mind, honey. No. But now I'm with you now, though. I'm with you now. Anthony Edwards gave a statement today after a woman released screenshots of texting showing him pressuring her to get an abortion.

She also posted a screenshot of an alleged wire transfer of $100K. He said, he said, I made comments in the heat of the moment that are not me, and that I'm not aligned with.

I believe who I am and who I want to be as a man. All women should be supported and empowered to make their own decisions about their bodies and what is best for them. I'm handling my personal matters privately and will not be commenting on them any further at this time.

OK, hold on. Let me jot that down real quick. Yeah, because I like I like the wordplay he used right there. I like that wordplay. Yes. OK. I like that. And so I'm assuming this this young that is the peace side, she purposely put everything out to put the pressure back on him because she had already made the decision up in her mind. Because if she was for him in understanding the situation that he was in, even though he put himself in that situation, she sees the dollar signs. And I don't think, I'm sure maybe he did understand, Brother Anthony Edwards, that she was in it not for you, but what you can do. And she had an end goal.

Most of them always have an end goal. And she reached that end goal. Anthony Edwards made a mistake. Anthony Edwards is young. We all make those mistakes. I think we're the best. I think you and I. You have to live with it.

You got to live with this one. Ocho, I think you and I are very, very well equipped because you and I both have kids from multiple women. Oh, yeah. Very close proximity. And I'm not so sure that the situation had this been social social media back there right i'm not so sure they might not have put us on blast right but that's okay i don't have no problems i don't have i have very few problems my foundation is together my founder

we all work as one unit it's a good thing but here's the thing And this is what I always tell guys. Be careful how you talk because everything is screenshotted. Everything is saved. And so the moment you make someone mad, it takes a special type of person not to damage the brand, not to blow up the spot when they get upset. Now, she might come around and say, I'm sorry, but your damage is done. The damage is done. It's the difference in understanding the individuals

that you deal with or understanding the dynamic of the type of individual you're dealing with based on who you are and what they have going on. If you're dealing with women, listen to me chat, stay with me baby. If you're dealing with women, if you're, listen to me chat, stay with me, baby. If you're dealing with women

that have something to lose, understand when things don't go their way and situations aren't beneficial and the opportunity that presents itself based on the end goal and the vision

that they have in mind, then everything turns for the worse. Yes. Because you're no longer, you're no for the worse. Yes. Because you, you, you, you're no longer, you're no longer the escape, not the scapegoat. What's the word I'm looking for? What's the word I'm looking for, Chad? Come on, search, search, search, search, search.

The opportunity is gone. Right. They don't want to, you don't want to lose your gold, man. No, no. What you want to, what you want to say, you the meal ticket. Oh, God damn it. There you go, boy. I'm glad, boy.

You, you pull, you pulled it right off my, I couldn i couldn't even get it you pulled it right out right off my tongue but yeah it's it's important and i i preach it every blue moon assets and liabilities assets and liabilities based on who you're dealing with you know if it's somebody you should take serious or somebody for fun okay you know what understand what you're dealing with before you even talk to her right that's for fun enjoy your fun in a respectful way and that's okay there's nothing wrong with that okay based on what she got going on oh yeah we could take we could take this serious this is serious this is something i can build i i i just hate i just hate that because no matter what you keep the child you do what you like you said it's her decision yeah always yeah but at the end of the day this should have been handled between you and

aunt if you chose to keep it that's between you and aunt you chose to do what you wanted to do that's between you and aunt the world should know about it because you got upset because it was never about and in the first place you know that it was never about and in the first place you know that it was never about and in the first place if it was based on what and has going on then the rest of the world wouldn't even know about it i agree we wouldn't know about it no no but you know feelings got involved you know because no no no no no no no no no ain't no feelings you know what time it is understand the play the game is the game the game has always been the game the game hasn't changed ever it always been that you know what the end goal is you understand the

dynamic of the type of women you're dealing with and you know what the end goal is at the end of the day you live with that because you know it you got to play the game the right way it's chess it's not checkers the game hasn't changed and it never has. It will always be the same. Certain types deal with certain type of men for the opportunity and the chance at

if you mess up and you get pregnant, they said I'm good. And what's the first thing they do? They expose you. They put you on blast now the money that's what it comes that's what

that's the end goal at the end of the day always is you know we come out with the sob stories oh my god like stop you know what it is

it's okay it's okay I just feel you know I just hey Ant just keep your head up it is gonna be the sun's gonna come up tomorrow

you're still gonna be Anthony Edwards you're still gonna be, the sun's going to come up tomorrow. You're still going to be Anthony Edwards. You're still going to be called the Ant-Man. Just go out there and play your game. It doesn't, hey, bro, we human. We human. Yeah, we all make mistakes. And I've been in a very similar situation.

Yeah, them ain't mistakes, though. Them angels, them blessings. I'm talking about him. I'm talking about him Not protecting himself Yeah yeah yeah Yeah too But I'm just saying in general Based on how you might see it Or based how

Based on how People The chat Or people in the world Might see it Oh you got this so and so Fuck that Fuck that part

That part's done I'm talking about that little one I'm talking about that little angel That's on the way Right That's a blessing Right That's a blessing

That's a whole new chapter I like that part But that's on the way. Right. That's a blessing. Right. That's a blessing. That's a whole new chapter. I like that part. But here's the thing, though, Ocho. Once you screenshot it there, that's there forever. Now, somebody's going to come back and show that. Your daddy didn't even want you.

Oh, shit. You got to think, see, you got to think long term. Everybody thinks just right now, instantaneous. But I'm telling you how you got to think. This is a child.

Everything is now saved on the internet for perpetuity. Right. So you have to be mindful of what you say, how you say it, because at the end of the day, you think you might be talking to that individual?

Them little ears gonna see. Them little ears going to hear them little eyes going to see then what yeah you know you know i ain't telling you i ain't telling you something somebody told me i'm telling you what i know no yeah you know it's important you know it's important too especially for those when you get a little money and you want to leave off the front porch you Mm-hmm. You know, I think one of the most important things that we can do and one of the most important things that we should do, and this is for athletes coming up, those that might make it to the NBA or might make it to the NFL, I think it would behoove you to always get serious with someone that was there in your corner, in your corner before you made it.

Mm-hmm. In your corner before you made it. In your corner before you made it. I think that's very important. I think that's very imperative. Because those that you meet, once you've already made it in general, I'm not sure they have your best interest at heart. I just don't think so. I don't think so. No matter how much you may think they do Those that were in your corner

When you have shit When you had a pot to piss in Or a window to throw it out of Yeah That's who I think Athletes NBA players Entertainers

Should deal with And marry And want to build An empire and foundation with Ocho That's what I think But here's the thing How many times have we seen this story? Think about it We see it often Ocho and foundation with. That's what I think. But here's the thing.

How many times have we seen this story? We see it often, Ocho. But you know what I tell people? I mean, you think the moth wants to go to the flame? He can't help what he's attracted to, even though it's going to end up killing him. Say that again. He likes what he likes.

He cannot help it. He cannot control it. Where you be getting this shit from? Say that one more time about that he likes. He cannot help it. He cannot control it. Where you be getting this shit from? Say that one more time about that moth. Come on, nigga. Bring that back to me. Do you actually think the moth really wants to go to the flame? He cannot help himself.

Individuals, they like what they like. You see, Ocho, I mean, just like, I don't know't know like for me I wanted a Rolex yeah I wanted a Ferrari because that was a symbolism that I had made it yeah okay yeah some people want to get the girl that they never would have had an opportunity to get that's a good one I want to get the big house that's the big house that I would never been had an opportunity to get oh I want to get the car can't help it yeah like what you like I have a question even understanding knowing what you like and liking what you like and once you get the money and knowing you have access to what most would view

as better would be prettier you know is there an understanding as well and understanding that these individuals that you're going to and you're able to have access to and attain, is there a great understanding in knowing that they are not with you for you, but what you can do? Do they know that? I'm just asking. Does common sense set in and understand the game?

I don't want to. I don't want to generalize or stereotype and say everybody is like that because i'm a firm believer we tied this conversation oh joe well we we've been we've been in this lifestyle way too long now don't you do that to me come on now yes yes so you believe you believe real with you because of who you are what you have real well god shit what did that's the hard one this motherfucker oh we're almost cursed again excuse me excuse my language this motherfucker making more than me right now so that can't be

right now but what you have already made you've already got a nice little bankroll you said no no joe come on now i got i got hey listen i got i got i got nice listen i got nice little nest egg yeah yeah yeah okay but go ahead it but you know what? I just, like I said, I just want, I want what's best for Ant-Man. Yeah. He'll get over this.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you're embarrassed. The biggest thing is the embarrassment that you feel right now. Right. Because you, what we say,

you got caught with your pants down. Yeah. Because nobody knew, nobody knows unless it comes to the light and she brought it to the light mm-hmm why because she's upset with you and because your girlfriend is you like oh what about me yeah well she wants you to hurt like you hurt her yeah you know what and you think about it I

mean the situation is not he can't lose a job over this But you think about Dealing with people That have something to lose And people That have nothing to lose Yeah Will ruin everything

For those that do Yep Sometimes They will They will burn They'll burn your whole Your whole empire down Because they're upset

and they don't think logically they're stuck in the now and not the long-term effect of, well, you know, if I hit sin, you know, it could affect a whole lot of people. People don't think about that. You know some people will sink your boat

just because you won't let them drive it. Oh, shit. Oh, man. I'm in the middle of the ocean and you won't sink the whole thing because I won't let them drive it. Oh, shit. Oh, man. I'm in the middle of the ocean, and you won't say the whole thing because I won't let you drive, and we all drown. We all perish. You willing to do that? You on fire tonight, bro.

I just, look, I just think that, for me, personally, I just believe there's a better way to handle every situation. No matter what it is, everything doesn't have to go through the public. Right. So why couldn't you go to him? Okay, I'm going to keep the child. But this is the funny thing.

Sometimes, sometimes it's women, and I can be on their side. They can have a viewpoint on something and a man could be forcing the issue and they really can't get through to him and getting him to understand, well, I'm giving you the hint on what I really want to do. Don't piss me off. Now, if I can't get through to you, well, I'm going to get through to you this way and put everybody else in our business. And that's the way to get your attention. But on the back end, maybe not in this situation, it ends up hurting most in the long run

or sometimes in the short term because certain things like that can ruin opportunities. It can ruin chances. It can ruin the relationship in the beginning. And eventually, you know, when you're young

and somebody do some stuff like that, you like forget you and that child. Yeah, yeah. But the thing is, and hopefully as he matures and like I said, he grows up and he understands. That's my offspring and I want what's best for him or her. I want a healthy child and I'm going to love that child, even though the child was not conceived or born under ideal circumstances is here now yeah my job is to love cherish and to make sure it's protected and have the best of what i can provide yeah listen the funny thing about it everybody love you everybody love you when opportunity presents itself and it's convenient and it's beneficial and i had beneficial. And I had this wonderful

saying from a dude, a dude on Twitter, man, Trill AC, he always said loyalty. Loyalty. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary. Loyalty is nothing but a word in a dictionary between opportunity

and convenience. As long as dictionary between opportunity and convenience. As long as there's opportunity and it's convenience, oh, we all loyal. We all loyal when it's beneficial. But the minute it's not beneficial, shit. You know how many women behave themselves

based on the individual that they're dealing with? Because the situation and opportunity that presents itself, well, the chances of me finding this again are slim to none. So you got damn right I'm going to act right. Until it's not convenient for the time for me to act right. Oh, you're talking about flip? And then I'm going to flip the script?

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Jose Casca Real jumped back in and said, Ocho, you're sharing a personality that's genuine, making me laugh. The stories on top of the sports talk are clutch. If TV were to limit this great duo don't do it uh we we definitely thought about that and so we're definitely going to be who we are uncultured jay said uncle ocho what are some of the things people don't think don't think you like but you actually do movies tv shows music food etc also ocho tried out this new game called the finals i think you would enjoy it the finals okay okay hey that's a good question about things that I would like

that people would know I think my taste in music my taste my taste in the arts no no no listen my taste in arts I know the chat anybody in the chat know about Alvin Ailey I love dance I love know about Alvin Ailey? I love dance. I love theater. Alvin Ailey theater. I love Alvin Ailey theater. Obviously, my favorite piece from Alvin Ailey, Revelations. I can do Revelations on my, well, obviously, you know, I have a background in ballet and dance anyway. But that's neither here nor there.

But, yo, Miss Judith Jameson and Mr. robert battle i have been a fan of ailey since 1988 i was able to see alvin ailey at the gussman theater in miami in 1988 my grandma forced me to go why are you making me go watch dance i don't want to go see no dance i don't want to go see it now that kind of dance anyway no absolutely in, do you know how young I was? I am not. Come on, man. Boy, she took me to see Alvin Ailey at the Gustman Theater in 88, man.

Oh my fucking God. You hooked? Hooked. When I just told you I can do every piece of Revelations by heart. Shh, man. Love him to death. My musical choice.

They hate me when I was playing with the Bengals. Whoever gets to the stadium first gets to the speaker and has a surround sound, gets to play what they want to play because you're first and obviously seniority rules based on how long you've been there. You walk in there, one day I'm playing Sinatra. One day I'm playing Andrea Pacelli,

playing goddamn, one day I'm playing jazz. One day I'm playing andrea pachelli playing goddamn one day i'm playing jazz one day i'm playing beethoven they hated that because i got ready for football games in a different way i couldn't listen to rap i needed to be very calm because i talked shit all goddamn week now i got to go out there and back it up and the last thing i need to be is rah, rah, rah, rah, rah. Oh, no. Oh, no. Shit, boy. Yeah. What's your favorite TV show? Oh, Sanford and Son, Good Times,

Martin, Cosby Show, especially Cosby Show, the episode when Blasio Domingo was on there. I don't know if you remember any saying

Bessie Mamucho to Claire Huxtable. Yeah. Chad, if you see that, just go the mucho declare huxtable yeah chat if you see that you got just go to youtube and watch that part placido domingo sings best in the mucho declare huxtable and colombo if you look at you know you notice on my twitter my twitter avi is a picture of colombo yeah with my face colombo is my favorite Favorite TV series of all time Favorite Well I mean obviously I liked all the good That was when all the

All in the Family and the Jeffersons and the Good Times All those great shows If I go I mean I love Ozark Snowfall Lincoln Lawyer I love the Lincoln Lawyer

Snowfall I'm, sorry. Lincoln Lawyer. I love the Lincoln Lawyer. Snowfall. I'm watching this right now. I think it's called The Family on BET. It's good? Man. Sasha in Paris. Yeah. Wait, The Family? Is this a family-oriented type show?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Ernie Hudson. Who, it's Ernie Hudson. Who is it? Ernie Hudson, Tammy Rowan, Lisa Rae just came on, Michael J. White. I mean, man, look, I only watch it when I go see, hey, Tasha, I know you watch it. When I go get my nails done at Tasha's. And so she told me I can't watch it. I can't watch it at home.

So I only watch it. So it's going to take me probably like three years to watch a season because I only watch it for the hour and a half that I bear. But it's a great show. I really like that show. But I really don't watch a whole lot of TV, Ocho. If it's not sports, I don't really watch it if it's not sports. Oh, man.

You got to get into it. Listen, when the pandemic hit, when the pandemic hit, when the pandemic hit, I used Twitter to get a little bit more well-cultured with some things that I hadn't seen. I'm not going to say a lot to you. I saw the wire when the pandemic hit. I sat there and beans watched the wire

and tweeted throughout the whole wire, me not realizing, why the fuck has everybody got them clothes so baggy? This shit was filmed way back in the day when I was when I was playing. Yes. And I never saw it until the pandemic hit. I use Twitter with some good things. I could watch Ozark. Ozark was Ozark.

That's my. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Langmore. Well, Ruth was the real deal. Boy, darling. She was got that real. Ozark was Ozark that's my Oh Ruth Langmore And Darlene Well Ruth was the real deal Boy And Darlene She was the real deal

Ruth Langmore And Darlene What about What about Queen of the South Did you watch Queen of the South I did Queen of the South was good That's another one

What else I saw on Netflix I've watched a little bit I got into a little bit Of Queen Charlotte too Oh Queen Charlotte I ain't never heard that one Yeah

Queen Charlotte Hey did you see beef you saw beef i didn't i didn't okay well you got to see beef it's funny a little little comedic you know a little fun yeah hey beef is really good very very very good very funny very funny um i'm just trying i'm trying to think what else good times all in the family hey you remember the all of all in the family episode with Sammy Davis Jr.? I do. Because, you know, Norman Lear...

The stuff they used to say back then? Oh, yeah. They say the N-I-G-G-E-R. Oh, yeah. The hard. I mean, why... Hard. Yeah.

It's crazy. They call you the hump and the cracker. They call you all that. I'm like... Everything. And we you all that. I'm like. Everything. And we didn't know any better. Yeah. But the times have bothered.

They don't say that anymore. They used to say Negro. Yeah. On television. Or Spick. They say Spick. Yeah. They say all that stuff.

Crazy stuff. But Ocho, here's the thing. You know, all that really spun off of All in the Family. When you look at the Jeffersons and you look at Good Times, because Florida Evans was a off of all in the family when you look at the jeffersons and you look at good times because florida evans was a maid on all of the family you got all you got good times normally started that maude b arthur ma yep all right okay i ain't know that i never saw i never saw mr mr ester roll on um oh yeah i know that. Okay. Okay. Oh, Jared Gaither asks, Uncle Nocho and Family Feud,

which family members are you choosing and who to win? Love the show, fellas. And that's a good one. Family Feud. You know what's not fair? What? My mama not here. Right.

My grandma not here. Man, you not taking them on there. I'm just saying, if they were here, you know, rest in peace, those are the type of people that I would need on Family Feud. My grandma's smart.

Oh, she's sharp. She's sharp. She's sharp. Oh, Joe, you know what, man? They're asking the top bitch, asking these questions about today's time, man. Granny ain't gonna be asking them questions. I ain't even thinking about

taking my granny and mama on there. No. Who you to take? If my sister wants to go, I'll take her, but she probably ain't going to want to go. I know my kids going to want to go. I know the kids going to want to go. That can't crack under pressure. I know my kids going to want to go. Crack under pressure.

Okay. I'm going to take my three kids, so I only got one person left. My brother ain't going to want to go. You know who I'm going to take? I'm going to take my cousin. I'm going to take Mud. I'm going to take Simeon. I'm trying to think.

Okay, now let me get deep into my family. I'm thinking people on Family Feud, family members of mine that have great critical thinking skills in precious situations. Yes. I have a cousin. A cousin.

Lisa Dingle. I know Lisa's going to see this. She's a teacher. Lisa's very smart. Brilliant mind. She's going with me. That's one. Rail.

You got to take Rail. Rail. Brilliant mind. Very smart. she's going with me that's one uh real you gotta take real real brilliant mind very smart very smart teaching me a few things because I thought I knew it all um I need two more I'm taking I'm taking a look I'm taking a look brother Chauncey Chauncey I know you watching this baby I love you I'm taking my little brother Chauncey or the kids gonna be mad

nah wait wait oh you know one of my kids going I know which one's gonna go though yeah but The kid's going to be mad. Wait, you know one of my kids is going. I know which one's going to go though. Yeah, but the other one's going to be mad. They're not going to be mad because they're not going to be able to do it. They're not going to be able to do it in that type of pressure situation and having the critical thinking skills to be able to answer on cue very fast

like that. My oldest daughter, Ja'Kyra. That's her thing. We asked 100 people to top five answer on the board. They'll be coming up. I don't know what you are. I think I might get you.

In what? Family feud. Oh, no, boy. That's what I do. Jeopardy and family feud? Boy, stop playing that. You know good well you're not about to beat me in no Jeopardy. Who do you? Boy, I used to sit there me in no Jeopardy. Who are you?

I used to sit there while I'm Jeopardy with my grandma every day. Ocho, I actually went on Jeopardy and won. Yeah, but, you know, they cheated. Yeah, I actually went on Jeopardy. They gave you the answers ahead of time. They don't give you no answers. And see, here's the thing, though, Ocho. You can't ring in because if you ring in before he finished answering the question,

it locks you out. It locks you out? Oh, for real? It locks you out. Yeah. Okay. That's a good one. I like that. I like that. TJ Ellsworth asks, what's the best take you've heard from another analyst on either of your show or shows? Ocho, I don't know

about you, but I don't really listen to anybody else's take. I listen to all y'all. I listen to all y'all. I listen to all y'all. I do. I like hearing what you say. I like hearing what Stephen A. The funny thing is what I like about it. Everybody take is different.

Yeah. Everybody take is different. The delivery might be the same, but the way it's said. The way it's said is completely different. But everybody's saying the same thing at times. Now, I think the person with the worst takes, I love him to death. I love him to death. That's my guy.

But LaShawn McCoy, LaShawn, hey, but LaShawn funny, boy. LaShawn is so funny and he be dead ass serious, but he gonna go all the way opposite of everybody else every goddamn time. But he funny, man. He is funny. I listen to Richard Sherman. I listen to Skip. I listen to Orlovsky, Ryan Clark, Swagoo. I like Swagoo.

Yeah, Swagoo. Nice with it, boy. He nice with it. Oh, Joe, I ain't gonna lie. I don't listen to anybody. When I come into the room, there's no sound on. When I go to work, ain't no sound on. When I go into the green room, ain't no sound on. When I'm home, ain't no sound on.

I don't hear what anybody says. I don't know what they say. Whatever you say, your first thought is always exactly how you feel based on what you see. Based on what I see. Nobody's gonna influence me or change. I might agree. I might always exactly how you feel based on what you've seen okay based on what i see right nobody's going to influence me or change i might agree i might disagree we might be close like you said we might be close in a lot of what we say maybe my wording and how i get to my point is different but i don't

i don't really listen to anybody now yeah having been at espn and having met the guys and having gone up against it, you know, Ryan, RC and D.O. I've been on once with Swagoo, Pat McAfee, Saturday, Jeff Saturday. But as far as like listening to what anybody else has to say, I don't. Yeah, that's a good one. I want my thoughts to be original. Red line one G says, oh, I'm curious where you get that necklace from? I don't. Yeah. That's a good one. Because I want my thoughts to be original. Right. Red line one G says, oh, I'm curious,

where you get that necklace from? It's, you stay dripped out. Well, what that is, what? What necklace you talking about? I ain't got no necklace on, man. Let me see that. I look like, look at, I saw some rubies.

I saw some rubies. It's a little gemstone, a little something, you know. Well, you can't have money, boy. When it Hey, boy, you can't have money, boy. That's one thing about it. When it's coming in, you can't hide it, boy. I see you. Hey, you look good, now.

You know, this is the only thing. I mean, this and this watch was the only thing I had on when my house got broken into and got robbed of all my stuff. Hey, but you had insurance, though, right? Yeah, for sure. Okay, okay, okay. But you know what it's not about the insurance i hate that man it's the violation right of somebody coming and taking taking your you know ish and you know what happened see you don't move like that but when

it comes to rappers or entertainers or athletes that always that always have entourages whenever somebody house or some type of place it gets broken into, it's always somebody in your camp. It's always the people closest to you that do it. But with you, that's a different, because you don't move like that. I don't move that. I ain't have nobody. I mean, time is right. Time ain't the matter of my house.

They call who did it? Nah, they said there's some gang that's going around. Oh, so it's, okay, okay, yeah, I know what you mean and a lot and a lot of there are several houses in this area that had gotten broken into so right it is what it is uh what else we got oh get ocho winfrey how do you stop being promiscuous and focus on building meaningful relationships i've ended several relationships with a woman who were wife material and how do I work on it? Love y'all.

Let me, I hope y'all can ask, answer the question however he chooses, but for me, and being where I am in life now, it's tough to trust, man. It really is. It really is. And the vetting process

that I could have gone through or I should have gone through when I was in college or my first couple of years in the league before I became what I later became, it's hard, man. It's hard. Yeah. And everybody, and even when things are at their best, when someone gets mad at you, they'll turn. And they'll do things that you like, I never thought. If somebody, I'd have put everything I own that you'd have never did this to me. So when someone said, oh, I wouldn't do that, Ocho, I've been done saying

what a person will or won't do. Because you have no idea under circumstances what a person will or won't do. Trust me. Yeah, you don't. You don't. You never know.

You never know. And that's the scary part. That's the scary part because human nature, human nature is unpredictable. Yes. Human nature is unpredictable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yes.

Human error. Stay with me now. Human error is inevitable. I don't care how much someone says they love you. Yeah. It doesn't matter. We all make mistakes. Yeah. We all make mistakes. Yeah.

We all do. And when someone gets, you get married, you could be married with that person five or six years. Yeah. Divorce is the worst thing because the woman gets half your money

and take all the hoo-ha. That is a good trade-off, Ojo. It ain't. That's why you think I ain't saying that? You ain't saying that, Preta? Real, you ain't decided. No, I ain't signing that freedom You ain't signing that freedom Real game decided Nah I ain't signing nothing I ain't rip

If at any point She may decide You know what baby I don't love you no more I don't feel the same way I did about you Six Seven years ago

Well You know what If you leave You gotta pay me to leave You gotta pay me to leave I need hair I need hair And I want

I want the baby The baby stand with me Oh man You see You just tried to hurt now You just tried to hurt hair. I need hair. And I want the baby. The baby stand with me. Oh, man. You see, you just trying to hurt now. You just trying to hurt Regan. I ain't trying to hurt.

I ain't trying to hurt. Why she can't take the baby, Ocho? No, because I, that's my responsibility. That's my, that's my responsibility. Huh? Because I also want,

I also want spousal support, spousal support. So I want the baby with me. So, so you want child support too, huh? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You want alimonyousal support. Spousal support. So I want the baby with me. So you want child support too? Oh, yeah. You want alimony and child support? Yeah. Man, the lifestyle that she has provided

and the comfortable lifestyle that I get to live now because I have someone, you know, that's doing better than me. I'm enjoying this and I don't want to lose that lifestyle. I mean, they do it to us. They do it to us all the time. Wild Cookie said, Uncle Nocho, yesterday I let

my 16-year-old Bishan Luna go take her rest. She was so special, I'm heartbroken. Bro, you ain't got to tell me. You ain't got to tell me nothing about putting dogs down. Wait, what kind of dog? A Bishan Frise. Oh, man. Beautiful white.

Beautiful white. Yes. Yes. Damn. But you cutting up with Coach Prime last night made me laugh through my tears. Thanks. Up, Luna slept in my bed. No questions asked.

Man, look here. Like I said, Ocho, and I tell this is one of my favorite quotes. Don't do it because you're going to have me crying again. You had me crying last my one of my favorite quotes. Don't don't don't do it because you're gonna make you gonna have me crying again. Now you had me. You had me crying last time you talk about him. Dogs don't do that. Yeah. Oscar Romero once said he said some things can only be seen through the eyes that have cried.

Sometimes a person can cry and you don't understand until those very tears have been in your eyes for a very similar reason. So when he said some things can only be seen through the eyes of Christ, Cesar Romero, he's the,

he was a, he was a archbishop. I think it's Cesar Romero. He's an archbishop. I think it's Cesar Romero. He's an Archbishop. Oh, I need some tissue. Will you fuck me up real quick, boy?

Nah, I mean, Bojo, you know, look. Hold on, I need some tissue for real, man. Y'all messing up my goddamn mascara, man. Oscar Romero? I thought so yeah he's an Archbishop right Central America

Cesar Romero was the guy that played the Joker in the original Batman OG Ocho you remember how do you do stop number 85 I borrowed that in high school how do you stop number 4 and mom wrote it that in high school. How do you stop number four? And mom wrote it on her card. The opposing team sent it, and I felt some type of way.

I told her, you know what up. Mom put you out there. I mean, you're doing all that talking. She said, I want to see what you bought. What happened? I missed that one. I missed that. I had to wipe my tears real quick.

She said, O.G. Ocho, you remember how you do the stop 85? I borrowed that one. I missed that. I had to wipe my tears. I had to wipe my tears real quick. He said, OG Ocho, you remember how you do the stop 85? Yeah. I borrowed that in high school. How do you stop number four? And my mom rode it on her car. The opposing team seen it. I felt some type of way. I tore their, he said, I tore their you know what.

Oh, so he backed it up. He backed it up. There we go. That's all it come down to. If you talk, you got to walk it. Every time. G Firm says,

what they do, Ocho? I'm from the city. 79th and 14th. What's up, Wack? What they do, home team? Wanted to ask, have you ever made amends with Ray Buchanan?

Make amends for what? Well, that's the real deal. I love Ray. He the real deal. I love Ray. He the real deal. I love Ray. You played against Ray. Y'all had problems on the field? Look, in the second Super Bowl,

you know, Ray, you have to understand, Ray was at Indy. So they ain't won jack. So this is the first time that he's been in the media. This is the first time that, you know, he's going to get some attention. So ain't won jack so this is the first time that he's been in the media this is the first time that you know he's going to get some attention so ain't nobody thinking about ray everybody we're the overwhelming favorite we baby i mean we we had just snapped the nf uh the nfc's 14 year reign so the previous 14 superbowl the nfc won and they weren't close with the exception of the 90 Super Bowl in which the Giants,

I think the Giants won 2019. All the rest of them been blowout. 55-10, 45-10, 35-10, you know, Cowboys won 55-19 and all. So the game weren't close. We beat Green Bay 31-24. We're coming back. Repeat. About to make history

because, you know, Mike told us, if you want to be remembered, you got to go back to back. We got to do this thing back to back. So that was on our mind. And you know, he started popping off, getting a little, he came out there with a dog collar, talking about they the underdog. The best thing happened to them, I got

hurt. Because had I not got hurt, I was going to be the MVP. I was going to tell you. You were going to get the boy in that business? Because we had played him the year before. I went for like five for a buck ten on the tub. Right.

Man, we were going to do a number on them because we already knew they was going to gear up to start TD. And so we're going to have to throw the football. John ended up winning MVP. Rod Smith had an 80-yard touchdown. I mean, yeah, we can go do another one. But I ain't got no problem with Ray.

I talked to him. I don't know where he is now. He was in Atlanta a couple of years after this happened. And he and I, we had a conversation. But I ain't got no beat. Michael Rubin says, Ocho, how did you become the GOAT route runner? He didn't That's a good question

That's a good question Man, working on my craft, you know what's funny? Who doesn't get the credit? I'm so glad I can say this, for those that are in the chat the people that might not know I know there are many football players in here that are watching

The person responsible for my success, I know there are many football players in here that are watching. The person responsible for my success, and I'm going to say with my rock running, that helped me out, started in 1997, Charles Collins. If you don't know who Charles Collins is, we started something called Phenom Factory back in the day, back in L.A. When I was in L.A., I lived, you know, obviously back, I lived in the jungles In the third building Right off Coliseum Across from Dorsey Charles Collins Is responsible For my route running

He gave me a formula He gave me a formula With the cones And the ladders And I took that formula And I didn't just work When we had to work And we had to train

Man I did it Over and over And over and over Until it became muscle memory. It became routine. Not only did it become routine, it became a habit and such a habit where I was telling people my route right before the snap of the ball in confidence, knowing that I would still be able to get open because they probably thought I was lying anyway. They probably thought I was lying anyway. So it was a

mind game. It was a mental game, mental gymnastics, like I call it. And it worked every time. Thought my feet had a mind of their own. Sometimes I didn't even know it was wrong. I thought they had a mind of their own. I don't know. It was crazy. But I

honed that craft for years for it to even look like it did once I got to the pinnacle, which I call the NFL. Right, Logan. That was a lot of work, man. Shit, now that I think about it. It is, of course.

Oh my God, that was a lot of work. You know, they say to become great at something, you have to do it for 10,000 hours. Yeah. But you can't stop doing it once you master the craft. Mm-hmm. That's your art.

You know, you know what happened when the engine, the engine get a little old now, that thing don't run like it used to now. You get a little old, get a little old and beat up. Ocho, but see, that's why you probably was able to play

as long as you did play. Because what got me through Ocho is that I understood that my athleticism was going to wane. Yeah. My technique, I wasn't going to be able to be fast.

I wasn't going to be able to outrun everybody. I wasn't going to be as strong as everybody. But if I was technically sound, Yeah. that's going to... How do you think Brady,

how do you think Manning played all these years when they didn't have the athletic because they never relied on athleticism? Yes, I did rely on some athleticism, but

I was technically sound. Dropped the hips in and out. If I'm running the seven route, I'm going to give you two, three steps to the pole. And I'm going to look. Every time. And then you're going to be right there. And then I'm going right here to the seven. Yeah. Oh, man.

There are little things that you do that you get great at and it becomes second nature. Yeah. And you can do it in your sleep. Ryan Logan asks,

Hey, Uncle Nocho, I'm an aspiring sports analyst journalist. I just want to know any advice you guys would have in pursuing this career between the love,

between, between i love the pod uh look i'm not a journalist i don't have a journalist journalistic background so i can't tell you if you were to go that route all i can tell you is this look if you believe it and you got facts to back it up say. Yeah. It's really that simple. It's really that simple. And I really can't answer the question on being an analyst because I have a problem. I love every goddamn body.

I'm too fucking nice. It's hard for me to be critical. So right now I'm not an analyst. I'm just, I don't even know what you call it. I don't even know the word to call it. It's just, I'm so close.

You my homeboy. Yeah. I don't, I think the issue with me is. You you call it. I don't even know the word to call it. It's just, I'm so close. You my homeboy. Yeah. I don't, I think the issue with me is. You get at it. You get, you, you, you get better at it. You know what, you know, I think my problem is, I think the problem is, is I'm not far enough removed from the game and I'm so close and still.

Bro, you a decade. Yeah, but I'm still, I'm still engulfed and submerged. Know what you are. When you see them guys, you I'm still engulfed and submerged. Know what you are. When you see them guys, you like when them guys dapping you up. And hey, Ocho, what are you doing? No, no, no. They going to let me regardless because it's me.

I'm just a loving person. Not when you critique their ass like I do. Huh? Not when you critique their ass like I do. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. They ain't going to say nothing. No, no, no.

Ocho. Because there's an understanding on the way I do. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. They ain't going to say nothing because it's me. No, no, no. Ocho. There's an understanding on the way I do critique, but when you critique, you're not critical. Boy, you be mean, boy. Don't you be mean. Listen, if I was playing today, if I was playing today and you said some of that, the way you deliver

even though you're being critical and it's your job, it's your job to do that, I ain't going to say nothing. But when I see you, I'm going to go upside your head. That's how I wear it. I'm just saying, that's how I wear it. No, I'm just like, hey, Ocho, you need to be better.

You say you're a top five receiver and what you gave us today ain't top five. What you gave us today ain't top five. What you gave us today ain't top 15. Right, right, right. But sometimes in order to be a receiver, you need 10 others to be able to be top five consistently. That's not what you said. You didn't say I was top five contingent on those other 10. That's not what you said.

That's a good one. I like how you be in detail. I love how people like how you be in detail i love how people say i'm this and i'm that in the minute they're not that they say what it's a team game well you didn't mention it was a team game when you was bragging about yourself right right that's very that's very difficult though and you know prime and you know prime told you you know you know, on how difficult. And I told you before, too.

And I was gracious in saying that's something very difficult for me to do. And Prime said it last night. Oh, Chad, wow, that motherfucker ain't finna talk about nobody. No, I'd never have. Ever. But you know why? You know why? You know why?

Because here's the thing. The greater the player, the harsher the criticism stings. So you are a great player. So the criticism is going to sting. I was a great player. I'm in the hall. It's going to sting a little more. So they can't use.

See, they can't use. Well, you didn't do it when you played. You got Pro Bowls and All Pro to back it up. I got Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, Gold Jacket to back it up. So now what's their critique? Right.

So what are they going to say? I don't know what I'm talking about. What did you win? How are you as a player? You better check that All Decade team. Yeah. Shit, I'm on that too.

And if you own it, there it is. So see, and that's the thing. That's what time and I, we talk about, like I said, time and I, you talk all the too. And if I own it, there it is. So see, and that's the thing. That's what Tymon and I, we talk about, like I said, Tymon and I,

we talk all the time. He say, he say, he say, oh, you don't understand. Look at who the criticism is coming from. You're not just some Joe Blow.

See, if you Joe Blow, they can blow that off. Well, you don't know what the hell he talking about. Right. And you know, the good thing I do like is the players

that are being criticized understand you're being criticized because we hold you to a different standard based on who you are that's letting you know you are that boy you just not playing up to the standards that we're used to seeing that's all Uncle Shea been watching

you for years I grew up watching Ocho tear up the field question for you legend I have a small YouTube channel 8,000 subs reviewing tech what advice do you legends I have a small YouTube channel 8,000 subs Reviewing tech What advice do you have To grow my brand and channel Authenticity Be who you are

Hey You got to do something though Listen to me You got to do something To command the eye I don't know what it is You got to do something To command the eye

Don't do nothing crazy Don't do nothing crazy But you got to do something Different to command the eye. Don't do nothing crazy. But you got to do something different to command the eye. That's it. Once you do whatever it is different to command the eye, boom. It goes from there. Getting them is the easy part.

Keeping them is the hard part. Yeah. Yeah. Gotta be interesting. And you're never going to get a second chance to make a first impression. So whatever you do, whatever you roll out, whatever you roll out,

let it be the best. And I'd rather be delayed in delivering something as opposed to be rushed because you're not going to get those, you're not going to get those people back. Right. And say, man, this was some bull jive

or the food didn't taste good. That's not, they're not going to come back. So it was very unique in what we did when we started this channel. But we were all authentic selves. This is who we are. Yeah.

So, bro, just keep plugging away. Just be true to who you are. Whatever your brand is, I don't know what your brand is. I think everybody knows my brand is discipline. My brand is hard work. My brand is dedication, determination. I like to think I'm professional. And whatever your brand is, that needs to be your brand all the time.

My brand is, that needs to be your brand all the time. My brand is shit. Love. I love you. You know, I joke, but I can get serious based on what the topic is at hand. And the only problem I have with my brand is I curse too damn much. That's it. Jordan B. asked, which Jordan sneaker is the best Jordan all time, the 1 or the 11? The 1s, of course.

The 1s. The 11 has actually taken over as the most popular Jordan. I got a little something here for y'all. What's that? I don't know. Oh, that's that Pat Leather joint. That's the OG. Yeah, all you need, you need a New Orleans Saints jersey with that.

Yeah. Yeah. Man, but here's the thing, and let me tell you why the levels went out. Because when Jordan came out with that Concord, that Concord, you remember that black and white Concord? And then he came with the Braids.

And then he came with the cool Grays. Yeah. Even the Artics. Ain the cool grays. Yeah. Even the arctics. Ain't nothing touching that. Yeah. I mean, I love the OGs. You know, the original OGs, the black, white, and red, the brands, the OG ones. Ain't nothing much with them levels now.

Funny thing, I don't have no Jordans outside of Jordan 1s. That's it. That's it. All the basic colors. I don't have nothing else except Jordan 1s. I like the braids, too. I rarely wear them. And you know I hoop in my 1s, right?

Yeah, you should. I hoop in my 1s. I don't like support. And people are like, man, what you doing? You ain't got no ankle braces. I need to feel the floor. I'm weird. no ankle braces. I need to feel the floor. I'm weird. It's weird.

I need to feel the floor. You are weird. If I can't feel the floor, it feel like when I play, right? You know, I was a Reebok. You heard me? Yeah, I heard you. I was a Reebok. And the Reebok made my shoes back then.

I made Reebok take all the lining out of my shoe. I didn't want no support. So all it was was a cleat, the shell, and some shoelaces. So it felt like a track spike. So every step I took, I need to feel the bottom of the floor. Did you tape your ankles? Hell no. Because that would restrict me in stopping

and getting out of my break. Yeah. I don't want nothing restricting me, man. My ankles, I taped directly to my skin. Oh, yeah. I knew some things. I had that mold skin, you know, that brown tape? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I taped directly to my skin. Now, that was just on game day.

During the week, I used pre-wrap, didn't get a tape that tight, but boy, nah, I couldn't do that. Jordan B says the one is the original, the icon. When you say Air Jordan, it's the sneaker that people think of. It is, but it's not the most popular one. Again,

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