Nightcap - Nightcap - Sliding Lakers and Rising Clippers, All-Stars, Future of the Warriors

Episode Date: January 4, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Gilbert Arenas react to the Lakers' continued struggles, the star-loaded Clippers, the NBA All-Star race, the Draymond Green situation, and much more. #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So go buy yourself a bottle or someone that you love and help support your favorite on. Then you go right into it, Gail. The Lakers beat, excuse me, the Heat beat the Lakers 110 to 96. And I think this is unforgivable because they're playing without their best player or second best player in Jimmy Butler. Whether it's Bam or Jimmy, but they're right there. 1A, 1B. You can't lose by 14 to a team that doesn't have their best,

one of their two best players. No, that's facts. I mean, it's embarrassing at this point. I mean, you know, how many games are you going to go win? The same two people are not giving you any offensive production. Right? You know, both. The same two people we're talking about,

you know. Vando and Cam Reddish. Cam and Prince, they're 0-0. Yes. So unless you're the guy you were guarding scored 0-0, someone has to make up that point differential. And I do.

Huh? Go ahead, go ahead. You're you're right you and that's the problem like you know you guys combine for zero the guys your garden combined for 37 so that means someone has to take on that responsibility and that's what ends up happening with team when you do when you have lineups like this yeah i'm looking they had one two three four five six seven eight they had eight guys in double figure the heat did and the lakers anthony davis has been great i saw him at an event the other night over the last five games he's averaging 30 13 five assists three and a half blocks or almost two steals shooting 58 from the floor and the Lakers are 1-5 in those ballgames. LeBron did not

have it tonight, played 38 minutes, he was 6-18, all six from the three-point line, and he didn't attempt a free throw. That tells me he wasn't as aggressive as he needed to be. He did have six rebounds, six assists,

but he was minus 20 tonight. That's very unlike him for him to play that many minutes and shoot that poorly from the field. Go ahead, Gil. What ends up happening, Unk, is the whole thing of what I've always been

saying. If you have two guys on there that's not meant for offense, meant for defense, that means we're going to sit and net LeBron. So we're not going to allow him to come. So you're going to guard. You're guarding LeBron. I'm right behind you. My other guy's right behind you. So he's seeing three people all

the time, and we're like passing to the guys. Now this guy takes one shot. Why am I ever going to leave? Guard. Why am I going to stop guarding LeBron with you? He takes one shot like he's not a threat. You're playing

three on five. It's easy to keep LeBron James out of the lane if he has to run through three people. He's forced to shoot jumpers. It's like playing his own. You can't play that many minutes. Torian Prince played 29 minutes. He gave you zero points. Camian Prince played 29 minutes. He gave you zero points.

Cam Reddish played 19 minutes. He gave you zero points. Jerry Vanderbilt played 16 minutes. He gave you four points. So those are guys that you were counting on. And between the three of them, they gave you four points. And that's what happens, Gil. Let's just say in this, when you look at it, when you look at a team, if my superstars, one of my superstars isn't having a good day, where else can I get offense from?

Can I get some of my role players to go give me 20? Can I get two of my role players, one give me 20 and the other give me 15? Because AD, the likelihood of both of those guys being off isn't very likely. One of those guys is going to have it going. And so I know I'm going to get somewhere between 20 and 32 from one of those guys being off isn't very likely. One of those guys is going to have it going. And so I know I'm going to get somewhere between 20 and 32 from one of those guys. Now, both of those guys, they normally give me around 50 and 20 rebounds a game a night.

LeBron didn't have it tonight. Austin Reeves played great. 7-12, 8-9 from the free throw line. He was sensational. But I'm counting on Jerry Vanderbilt. I'm counting on Torian Prince. I'm counting on Torian Prince. I'm counting on Cam Reddish. I'm counting on them to do what? What exactly am

I counting on them for, and what am I counting on them to do? You're counting on them to have a nice cardio day, is what you're counting on. There's a problem when Kevin Love, when Kevin Love plays 28 minutes, you know there's a problem when Kevin Love when Kevin Love plays 28 minutes

you know there's a problem 28 from Love 35 oh my god when I seen he was playing at least go at him he had 10 points and 14 rebounds

he couldn't even play in the Denver series nope nope and the thing is the Lakers he couldn't even play in the Denver series nope nope and the thing is the Lakers out rebounded them by 11 the Lakers out rebounded them by 11 and you lose the Lakers

they got to get better three point shooting they got outshot from the three point line 16 made to only the Lakers were 430 from the three-point line you're not going to win very many games even if your two superstars go off you shoot that poorly from the three-point line and you allow the other team to plus 13 you from the three points so they got 39 more points from that line than what you got the likelihood of you winning and the lakers was 22 they were 22 or 24 from the free throw line.

So they were aggressive, but you're getting ones and twos, they're getting threes. It's like if we translated to football, it's like having Lamar Jackson, but he has no receivers at all. There's no receiver. So it's easy to set the defense knowing that you can only run. You cannot pass the ball because there's nobody here to catch it. Right.

It makes it harder. And that becomes the problem with LeBron and AD. It makes it harder when you have nobody who can shoot the long ball. Right? We're just going to sit in here and wait for you guys to come to us. Where do the Lakers go from here? Now they're under 500. At one point in time, they were great. I mean, we saw them in the

in-season tournament. They go 7-0 in the in-season tournament game. They win that last game against Indiana by double digits. I think 15, 20 points. And we're like, okay, they're on to something. Guys are playing really, really well. It hadn't correlated coming out of the in-season tournament

as well as many thought it would, especially myself. I think you thought that same way also. Where do the Lakers go from here? What do they need to do? It kind of looks like they're doing it in real time. We're still judging them, right? I think they're getting ready to trade because the fact that you didn't play Rui tonight or D'Lo lets us know you're shelving them to probably make a move, right? And I think they're trying to make some type of trade to get some shooters here because they are benching players that should be playing.

Right. So, you know, that's what it really looks like now. This is that move when you're like, all right, I ain't playing today. All right, cool, coach. But Gil, I thought if you get ready to trade, be like, if I'm getting ready to trade my car, sell my car, I'm going to clean it up.

I'm going to put a new set of wax on that thing. I'm going to get a detail inside and out. I'm going to make sure the tire's nice and neat. I'm going to do everything. I thought to add value or maybe increase the value of Rui or increase the value of D'Lo. Wouldn't you like get these guys and say, come on,

guys, y'all going to give us something? No, I think the value of Rui and D'Lo has already been set. I think that's where Van came in, right? Like, where the hell he comes from? Because I think they're trying to show that he's healthy, his foot is healthy, and we can probably move him and try to see if we can, you know, get some type of blockbuster trade.

Yeah, the thing about the Lakers, they have very tradable contracts. Vanderbilt contracts, very friendly. D'Lo contracts, friendly.ilt contracts very friendly uh uh d-low contracts friendly ruins is is is friendly i think torian prince is on a one-year deal if you want to decide to move him um yeah it's just for whatever reason and i remember when they made the move last year and the guys like okay you got another you got a year under your system you play with ad AD. You play with LeBron. You play with Austin Reeves. I really thought it was going to be a lot better. And it started off better,

considering where they started off last year. But you were saying that because they didn't have what they ended up getting. Now they start the season with that. And for whatever reason, it just has not materialized like many thought it would. I mean,

the summer looked good. It was decent. You just signed your players back. You didn't upgrade really in any position while everyone else was making moves. So, you know, signing your players back sounds great if you had a great

team. Right. With the Lakers, you really needed a third star. Landing Kyrie would have been amazing, especially if you didn't have to lose AD or LeBron. So that would have been a great pick for a free agency. And the fact that he was a free agent, you telling me you couldn't write no checks under the table?

What's the point of being a billionaire if you can't write no checks under the table? Yeah. Nah, you know, the last team that wrote a check up under the table, it almost ruined their franchise. That was Minnesota with the Joe Smith situation. You remember what it did to the Minnesota Timberwolves when David Stern found out? They had an under the table agreement. It was almost the equivalent of the death penalty that SMU got placed on them when they were playing players in the 80s. Not a fact. It didn't take that long. I mean, listen, they're still hunting them now.

They're still hunting them now. But, I mean, sometimes you just got to make a move, right? When you, you know, this is about sacrificing the chances, right? You know what happened? Let's make a long story short. Long story short, the Lakers advanced

to the Western Conference Finals last year and they lost to the eventual champs in the Denver Nuggets. And they thought if they had been healthy, healthier, or with another year of these guys playing together, they would be better served. They thought they had a team. It was fool's gold because you got LeBron

and you got LeBron playing out of his mind for someone that age with those many minutes. AD gave you tremendous. Austin Reeves played his way into the contract that he rightfully earned. But no one else,

they didn't think, but what happens, see you only think forward thinking, man, we're going to get better. What happens if those guys don't? What happens if those guys regress? Which is just as good a chance or possibility or likelihood as them getting better based on their history and what we've seen from each individual guy and their tenure in the NBA? You look at D'Lo, you look at Rui, you look at Vando, you look at Torian Prince. What has their history shown you so if you look at it like that we probably because you were

hoping I'm not worried about LeBron I'm not worried about I wasn't worried about AD the only thing you're worried about can AD stay healthy and he's played all the games with the exception of two. Austin Reed you could see from the first year to the second year you could see leaps and bounds that he had

gotten better the other guys in their career in their history what have they shown you you could see from the first year to the second year, you could see leaps and bounds that he had gotten better. The other guys in their career, in their history, what have they shown you? Nothing. Slow movement. But that's the thing with franchises themselves, right? You're happy with success. You're not building to think this is chess, right?

What if Denver made a move? Where would that put us? What if Clippers made a move, which they did? What if Suns made a move, which they did, right? You got to go on it. What if Boston made a move? They did. What if Bucks made a move?

And they did. Yeah. Bucks made a move and they did. Right. So every all the competitors that you would be fighting for a championship with actually upgraded. Yeah. But you didn't. Right. They got exponentially better. You had to be thinking that, hey, when we go into the summer, these guys are going to be looking to make moves to jump in front of Denver.

Because as of now, we're not as good or we would have won. So we have to get a piece to get in front of them. So if you know everyone has to at least get a piece, you should have been going after that too. I agree. Let's move on. The Clippers beat the Suns 131-122. Paul George 33 points on 57%

field goal shooting, 7 rebounds 3 assists. Kawhi chipped in George 33 points on 57% field goal shooting. 7 rebounds 3 assists. Kawhi chipped in with 30 points on 56% field goal shooting. 8 rebounds 3 assists. And James Harden 22 points on over 50%. 5 rebounds 11 assists. Clippers look good.

Ty Lue got them playing. And it's not... Yeah. And plus when you bring Russ who's high energy off the bench, you bring Norman Powell off the bench, you got a nice backup to Zubat with Daniel Tice. They got a nice unit. No, I mean, when it first happened, you know, you're thinking in hindsight, how can they all mesh?

And the game itself will play itself out. You're thinking in hindsight, how can they all mesh in? The game itself will play itself out. These guys are friends. These guys are home, right? So the ego is not as high as you would think because they're all actually grown up around each other. So sacrificing for each other here no one expected but as on paper you're saying if this team gets hot ah they're gonna be dangerous and that's what we're seeing now it is and i think the biggest thing was that russ being the unselfish player that he was said you know what i head to the bench because i don't know if they could have had this kind of success if russ stays in the starting

lineup so now russ goes to the bench he says i'll be the shot i'll be the leader of the shock troops because I don't know if they could have had this kind of success if Russ stays in the starting lineup. So now Russ goes to the bench. He says, I'll be the leader of the shock troops. And, hey, whatever you guys need, if you need me in there, in the closing lineup in the fourth quarter, I'm there. But let me run the shock troops. Harden, PG, Kawhi, y'all handle that. And if y'all need Norman Powell and myself late down the stretch, we're there.

Terrence Mann, you know Terrence Mann's going to give you every guy. He's streaky. He can get hot. He's going to play outstanding defense. He's going to get you a lot of loose balls. And Ty Lue has them playing very, very well. The only thing that concerns you is how healthy will Kawhi be down the stretch into the playoffs.

Same thing with Paul George. And that's the funny thing. They have so many superstars on one team. If one is not healthy, they still have three mega guys. Right? This lets you know

the difference between coaches. Right? And, you know, no knock against Ham. We've seen how Ham dealt with LeBron. I mean, dealt with Russell, right? We see how Ham's dealing with D'Lo and, you know, Reeves, right? Yes. Right?

And now we see how Ty Lue, he let the player himself look at the situation and say, hey, I'll come off the bench. Which means because he is choosing to do it, he's accepted that role, which makes it funner. If you put him on a bench and he wasn't ready to accept it, now you have a bitter guy on the bench, which means your second unit is horrible, like the Lakers. These guys are being benched, and you're not giving them no chance. Smart

players, players who really want to win, they can look and see the writing on the wall, but for there to be a smooth sailing, you have to let them put themselves on the bench you can't do it so that's why

the Clippers is successful right now because the guy looked around and said you know what, I'll come off the bench I'll run the second unit and we're going to be good do y'all thing it doesn't hurt that ty lue is a damn good coach he was a player uh he was on he was on championship winning teams he can flat out coach and the mistake that they made even

though they won a championship with frank bogle is that the lakers didn't sign t lu yeah yeah i mean even when frank was here, it's like, I mean, he ain't better than T. Lou. Yeah, you played Miami in the championship. I mean, come on. Yeah. They should have been questioning, why did you lose two games, to be honest?

Right. You should have lost two games to that team. We're going to talk about the Devin Booker-Paul George, but KD missed tonight's, with a hamstring injury. And, you know, last season he missed 35 games. Let me, let's go back over the last five seasons. KV is missed an average of 29 games a season. Uh, in 2021, 22, he missed 27 in 2021, 2021.

He missed 37 out of 72, 19, 21, he missed 37 out of 72. 19, 20, he missed the entire season, 72 games. At some point in time, we give Paul George a hard time by missing games. We give Kawhi a hard time by missing games. We give Anthony Davis a hard time by missing games. It's right there. It's right there. It's right there. And now you traded for KD knowing his history.

You traded for Bradley Beal knowing his history. So should anybody be surprised that these guys have missed? And I know this is only KD's, I think, second or third game that he's missed. But you look at the minutes. Because they're so challenged, he having to play 43 minutes. He's having to play 41 minutes. He's playing 39 minutes. He's playing 40 minutes.

With 30 games into the regular season, he's playing those kind of minutes. Those are playoff minutes that you play. Huh? Facts. Facts. Okay. This is six. Excuse me, Gil. This is the sixth game that he's played. Oh, facts. Facts. Okay, this is six. Excuse me, Gil.

This is the sixth game that he's missed. Even with that, I mean, you're still in the beginning of the season where you're trying to get a certain type of rhythm. Bill's been out, so he's been doing all the heavy lifting. You know, that's a toll on him. You know, just like Ron. It's a toll on these older guys for doing all the heavy lifting. That's a toll on them. Just like Ron. It's a toll on these older guys for doing all the heavy lifting.

We can say it's hamstring, but this might be one of those we can take a day off, let Bill get some run, get some of the touches. What is it? Load management? This might be a load. This might be a load management time.

You never know really what's behind the curtain. I think we're just all waiting to see when all three of them are playing together and they have 10, 15 games into their system together. What do they look like? And I think our frustration is we can't judge them yet. And we don't have a grade for them because as a whole, we don't know what they all look like. Are we sure they're going to be able to get a 15-game stretch together based on their history?

I mean, let's just be honest, Gil. Look at Bill's history. Look at KD's history. Book's been pretty healthy. Now, his hamstring, he kind of got a bulky wheel also. But what's the likelihood that we're going to see a stretch where these guys play somewhere 15, 20 games together?

After All-Star break? Right? The way it's looking now, I'm assuming after All-Star break because when KD comes back, I'm pretty sure Booker's going to probably take a little break. You know what I mean? Like, this is chess, son.

Like, you know, Booker taking a break and then after all-star break, you know, there's 32 games left, round of 32, 33. Let's move. Right? Well, it's going to be

very interesting because that all-star game, ain't no guarantee Book's going to get selected. With the way Shea's playing, you still got Steph Curry, who's a fan favorite, and you got Luca.

Man, we're not doing that to book every year. We're not doing that to book every year. Gil, Gil, all honesty. You put them in over Shea, you put them in over Steph or you put them in over Luca. I ain't mentioned De'Aaron Fox who's giving you 30 a night. Hey, listen. No, because there's going to be

a power forward in there that don't. Because there's going to be a power forward in there that don't belong. There's going to be a power forward that don't belong. And they do that every year. They do that every year. It ain't a whole lot because you think about it. You got Bron, KD,

AD. You got Sabonis. Those are really only bigs. Him, right? Come on. He's not. He's not. He's really a five. Let's just say he's a five. They don't really have... I mean, come on now. I understand Gobert, but come on now.

What are we going to do with Gobert? The whole thing about the All-Star game is this. When you're doing reserves, you're voting. They tell you to vote for the best seven or the best eight. You vote

for the best eight and then someone puts them in position. In reality, Book can have the third most votes as a starter, but because they have two guards in front of him, now they got to fill the roster up with power forwards and wing

guys, and it's like, that's unfair. Because you know Steph. Steph is probably going to win the fan vote. He's Steph Curry. Jock came back, so we don't know what the fans going to do for Jock himself. He ain't beating Steph, because

Steph has been a captain. You know how many votes you got to be to be a captain. No, no, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. Now, okay, Ja's back. So now you got Ja,

you got Shea, you got Luka, you got Steph, you got D-Fox, and you got Book. You can't take fixed guard. But you should. But what I'm saying

is think about it. If those six guards are all averaging 30 and they're in the top eight in scoring, that is horrible to say these ain't all stars. They aren't all stars. They shouldn't be competing against each other.

They should be competing against the people that's being selected to. So if it's me versus Rudy, whose numbers is better? Mine's. I'll get the rebound, goddammit. I think what's going to happen is that some of these guards are going to get left because they're going to have to have some bigs. And there's a chance that Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns,

because those are the biggest guys. AD and LeBron's going to make it. KD's going to make it. And you got some bonus. I mean, you got Joker. Yeah, Yoke's going to make it. So the starting two guards,

I mean, the two guards, so it makes it tough because Luka and Steph will be starting. Now you have Shea, who's the MVP candidate coming off the guard. Yes. And you look at it.

And Dee Fox is giving you what? What he's giving you. And you got Ja. I think Ja coming back late, that might hurt him. Especially with the reporters. I think the coming back late, that might hurt him, especially with the reporters. I think the players and the fans, it's all contingent. But I think it's going to hurt him with the reporters. The players, they love Ja, and rightfully so,

because he's watching him being at a game and watching him, how he elevates and how he can get toward his body. And he's not a big man. As far as thin frame frame to go take that pounding because it's like every time he's elevating, he's landing on the floor. Yeah. But it's going to be a very, very tough situation.

I don't envy the guys that having to make that decision because somebody's going to miss an all-star game because they happen to play a position. And it sucks because you've already changed the format, right? When you got scared that Petrula, was it Petrula who almost made it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The very next year, you changed it up, right? So you change it for when you want to.

If six guards in the West are the top six players in the West Coast, right? You have to change it for them. You can't say, Booker, you're not an all-star, which you're not an all-star, but you're going to be an all-NBA player. That's the downside of it. He doesn't make top 24, but he becomes top 15. And then the guy who you put as a top 24 is not even going to make any of those lists. That's the horrible part about that. And you look, it happens in all sports.

Every year there's a receiver or there's a running back or there's a lineman, offense, defense that someone thinks that should have made it and didn't make it. And, oh, we forgot Ant-Man. With Ant-Man, they're going to put him as a wing. So he gets to make it. Oh, they're going to list him as a wing? Yeah, they're going to list him as a wing and he gets to make it. Yeah, it's gonna be very...

Hey, oh! So where they gonna list Kawhi and PG as? See? Yo, you forget? And James Harden. What you gonna list him as? That's what I said. If Book is gonna have troubles making it average and damn

28-8-8. See, they got Ant-Man as a guard in the All-Star voting. So if they got him as a guard, then they'll take they'll probably take Ant-Man and they'll probably take Ant-Man and

where's Fox's record at? Where are they record? Did they hold on to beat Orlando tonight? Hold on. They in double OT is 4.2 seconds. Sacramento's up 138, 135.

So they're 19 and 13. 18 and 16. I mean, it'd be close between Fox and Booker that'd be with Ant-Man. Yeah. De'Aaron Fox is not having a good night tonight. So bonus is 22, 23, and 12. Yeah, see, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

So it's him, Cat. They're going to sneak in. But Kawhi, they're going to sneak up. Kawhi, they're going to sneak up. They're going to find a way to put the players that they want in, but it's usually a guard that gets messed up because the guard nows are the more dominant players. I'm looking at Luka Doncic is averaging 33. Shea Gilgis is averaging 31.

Darren Fox is averaging 30. Steph Curry is averaging 28. Anthony Simons is averaging 27. Ant-is is averaging 31. Darren Fox is averaging 30. Steph Curry is averaging 28. Anthony Simons is averaging 27. Ant-Man is averaging 27. Devin Booker is averaging 26. Jaws is averaging 26. Oh, I left out Kyrie too. I mean, see, they'll keep him out because, oh, you ain't playing enough games.

So, you know, they'll try to make an excuse. You know, some years it's just very difficult. you ain't playing enough games. They'll try to make an excuse. Some years it's just very difficult. When Steve Nash was MVP, he came off the bench in the All-Star game. He had T-Mac and Kobe

at the goal. Nobody's surprised by that. I'm old enough to remember when they voted Magic, Magic wasn't even playing and they voted him into the All-Star game. And he started and won the MVP

down in Orlando because I win. So, you voted in. Yeah, you're absolutely right. If they want to get you in, they can get you into that ballgame. Yeah.

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you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn.

In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. to hear the whole story listen to fiasco iran contra on the iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts there was something that happened uh devin booker on paul george v on beat they asked him uh before the game he says it's just hoops. Do you think fans care more about players' beef than players actually care about the beef?

Yeah, when it comes to beef in the NBA, like, it really has to be something personal. Yeah. Us, like, jibber-jabbing on the court. You know, I'm winning. I'm talking, you can't guard me. Yeah, I got four. You know, like what Klay did to Book.

I got four. Klay was in his feelings. He was in his feelings. Yeah, I got four to Like what Klay did to Book. I got four. Klay was in his feelings. He was in his feelings. I got four to you. But they ain't got nobody. That has nothing to do with me busting your ass right now. The Reeves can't help me. The Reeves can't help me today. But that's it. That's where we leave it at. So I think

sometimes when the players go back on, when they go back and forth on Twitter or social media, I think the fan base themselves really take on to it like it's a real thing. This is just court stuff.

Yeah, I think the fans like it because the fans like to know that players genuinely dislike each other. Because the old guard, they didn't fraternize as much as the guys currently do, but I think it had a lot to do. A lot of these guys played on the same AAU team.

A lot of these guys grew up playing against each other. It's not like, oh, the first time I meet you is at the McDonald's All-American game, or we met one time at an AAU tournament my senior year. These guys start growing up, traveling, and playing against each other. They're 10, 12 years of age.

So from that point on, they see each other every summer. They see each other. And if they fortunately have to go to college, they see each other. And then so they built up a friendship. It's like LeBron and Melo. Bro, they started playing against each other when they were juniors in high school. So they built up a friendship. And a lot of these guys like Ja

and Zion, they was on the same team. But friendship, listen, usually our best friend is the person we go to war with the most. From video games to sports

to really anything. That's who we compete with the most. So the competition on the court is competition. The friends that are on the court are going to go at each other the most. Charles Barkley and Jordan were friends. We're going to go all night, right? Jordan going to try to get him so drunk that he can't play tomorrow. Right.

They're friends, right? Yeah. Isaiah Thomas and play tomorrow. Right. They're friends, right? Yeah. Isaiah Thomas and Magic. But what happens when that game starts? Yeah. When's that game start? It's livelihood, period. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't want you to have bragging rights because I already know you talk ish, so you ain't going to be talking

to someone when you're playing golf or we're playing something. Nah, no. You're not going to have that. Because the thing, and I had Magic and I had Isaiah on my podcast club, Shae Shae. Magic said his teammates wanted to know, man, you all buddy-buddy with Isaiah. What you going to do? Isaiah came

down the lane. They saw what he was going to do. Like, okay. Okay, okay. I'm going to say the word is butt. That's what I'm going to do. And that's how it is. It's like you rarely have like the Jordan Isaiah Thomas, right? Where in the senses, Jordan probably

thought the way he was being hit was personal and not the game. Are y'all doing this on purpose? This ain't bad. Yeah, they did, but they beat the hell out of everybody like that. There's a reason why they adopted the bad boys. They had Raiders jerseys on because they had that mentality

because that's how the Raiders were outlaws. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything went. They'd close line you. They'd rip your head off. They kicked it. They didn't matter. And so they adopted that style, that physical style,

in the Knicks and Miami. But if you go back and look at it, the Boston and L.A. was playing like that. at it, the Boston and LA was playing like that before the Pistons were. No facts. Go look when Kevin McHale snatched Kurt Ramsey outside Scott. That's what I said back then.

That's how they played. I guess it's like this. If Isaiah and Jordan had some type of friendship because if Isaiah basically was running Chicago and Jordan's some type of friendship, because if Isaiah basically was running Chicago and Jordan's coming in, so he's protected. And now your team

is doing this to me when we're playing basketball. I can see how it can kind of rub you the wrong way. You're not shaking my hand. We shake y'all hands. It became more personal than on court stuff. Gil, I'm a little older than you, but I'm

old enough to remember this. Isaiah and them didn't start walking off the court. Go back and look at the Celtics. When the Pistons beat the Celtics, go look and see who walked off the court. Celtics. Yes. But everybody forgot that. It's about Isaiah Winship. But ain't nobody mentioned. Go back and

look it up. If y'all think I'm lying. Go back and look it up when the Pistons finally broke through and beat the Celtics. And watch what the Celtics did. Listen, I get it, but this is between me and you. Y'all beat us last year. We shook your hands.

We beat you this year. We don't get the same respect, but that's the same thing that Isaiah was saying about the Celtics. When y'all beat us all of the year we shook y'all hand.

Now we finally get the upper hand but they make but see everybody made it seem like this was the first time that it actually happened and Isaiah was the orchestrator

of it. No, the Celtics they did it a couple years before. The Celtics did it a couple years before. But, you know, they like the Celtics. They like Isaiah. They like Isaiah.

It ain't like... Nah, hell nah. The Pacers beat the Bucs 142-130. The Pacers are now 4-1 against Milwaukee this season. It got, you know, the game got a little chippy because remember what happened after the ball incident. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Yonah's got I'm saying? Giannis scored 62, 63 points. 64 points. And one guy had one point, and he got the game ball. And Giannis said, they say I got the game ball, but it don't feel like the game ball. Tyrese Halliburton, another monster night, 31 points, 12 assists, three blocks, zero turnover. He became the second player in NBA history with a 30-10-3-0.

30 points, at least 30 points, at least 12 assists with 3 blocks and 0 turnovers. Now remember, he put together back-to-back 20 points. One was a 20 assists, 0 turnovers, and the other was a 23-2 turnover.

What's going on with the Pacers? Having watched the Pacers, I've watched the Pacers a little bit because I like to get up and down, but I watched them at the end-season tournament at the NBA Finals. They're looking to run at any chance. Make or miss. They'll get it off the rim and run or they'll take it out the net and run.

But you better get back. Now, they ain't going to play no defense. They're not playing no defense. And even Rick Carlisle said, even your girlfriend at some point in time is going to leave you if you're not playing defense. They're not going to play no defense. But I tell you what, you better get back.

Because if you don't, they'll run you out the gym. It reminds me of like that early 2000 J-Kid. You know, you got J-Kid, Kerry Kittles. You got RJ. New Jersey Net. And that New Jersey Net team, where as soon as you scored, they coming down the line. There was no time for celebration

because it was coming back at you, mixed with the shooting of when Sons and Steve Nash got there. Where it's the perfect team for Hallie. You have a bunch of guys who can make shots. Correct.

All he has to do is just find you. Mm-hmm. And when you have guys like this, this is, what's so funny, this is like the type of players Braun needs. These, the Smith, Brown, Turner, he needs those type of players Braun needs. These, the Smith,

Brown, Turner, he needs those type of guys who can hit the open shot, take the open shot, so he can, the court is open. Yeah.

But it's, you know, scoring, I mean, making 20 assists in today's game, right, seems easy,

but it's not. Not, hell no. Because you're depending on somebody making a shot. So, right? Seems easy, but it's not. Not, hell no. Because you're dependent on somebody making a shot. And it's not like laying the ball up. Like with Magic, I think when Magic had that 20 assist, he had Kareem. Kareem throwing the sky hook,

which is a very high-procent shot. If you look at the Pacers, man, they got a, wow. They were 25 or 34 from three. Well, you're going to win a lot of games you shoot you miss nine threes and you make over 20 you're gonna win that ball yeah you're gonna win that ball game they dropped a 47.3 quarter on on milwaukee head and that's the thing that they can do you look at they got one two three four five six they got seven guys in double figures they got two guys with nine so they're looking to push the ball so all that missing and you know you you looking looking for a foul

the moment you shoot a shot or you miss a layup and you look at the official they got that ball off the rim they gone and so you talking to the official just stay right there they're gonna get you the ball back again they don't lay it in the hoop or they don't made a shot they they get the ball up and halliburton man he is good man because he i saw him making some passes it's like he jumps in the air and you're like oh man he better pass the ball to the corner now he bounced past it to the guy right up under the basket and he dunks in the hoop but the's so funny is I seen him in Vegas working out for Golden State. So when he was coming into the draft, I'm in Vegas, he's working out for Golden State,

and I remember he was trying to stand on his tippy toes to be a little bit taller, right? Right. He didn't want to be 6'4". He wanted to be a little bit of 6'5". And he asked me a question, like, you're watching my game, and I'm looking at his shot, and I'm like, man, his shot is sweet.

And I said, it reminds me of Kevin Martin, right? Yeah. And I said, if you create a pump fake with your mechanics, you will destroy, because it all looks the same, because you have to wind it up. So if you hit the wind up, everyone's going to jump. Once you realize the same mechanics as your shot and your pump fake, trust me, you're going to eat in this league. And to see that same player who was nervous about his height, working out, trying to see if he can make it in the NBA, destroying it right now, is like, wow. I'm looking at the Bucs.

Giannis gave you 26 and 11. Dame gave you 23, 9 and 10 from free throw. Didn't shoot the ball from three. Didn't shoot overall for whether he was 6-18, 2-8 from three. Have we seen enough? Are we still holding out judgment on the Milwaukee? What do we need to see? What are we missing?

A growl? It's like, where is your horns? What, the Dome Bucks got some shit? Where is it? Because no one is scared of you. No one is scared of this team. You're supposed to be a champion. When Dane got there, everybody was like, oh, this is,

no one's paying attention to you guys. And that's the bad part. Yana's 64 and you're doing and you average what? 38, 40 against this team before. But they're not afraid of you. And since you don't have no fear factor

coming into the game, as long as the game is close, teams feel they have a chance. Right? And that's what made the Bulls great. Right? People were's what made the Bulls great. Right? People were afraid of them.

When Golden was popping, people were afraid of them. But you know, as great as the Bulls were offensively because of Mike, they locked you down defense. They locked you down. They went Scottie Pipp,

they went Jordan, they went Hart, they went Rodman. Where the hell you going? Nowhere. And they just took turns picking you up 94. They went Hart. They went Rodman. Where are you going? Nowhere. And they just took turns picking you up 94. Okay, Pip, you got him the first quarter. Okay, Hart, you got him the second quarter.

Okay, Jordan, hey, you got him. When you have got, and you think, you look at Milwaukee. Giannis is an all-defensive player. Brooke Lopez is an all-defensive player. Brooke Lopez is an all-defensive player. Bobby Portis plays great interior defense. You got Beasley. Beasley's supposed to be a defender. Middleton?

Middleton, that knee injury or the foot injury, whatever he is, he's not the same. I know, but it's not enough. Listen, you have enough defense. Oh, you should have more than enough. You, you have enough defense. You don't have... Oh, you should have more than enough. You should have more than enough. You don't have Indiana defense.

No, no, no, no, no. You got two all-NBA defensive players and Lopez and Giannis. But you can't stop nobody. Yes. It's just they don't... It's something going on within themselves. And I don't know it's something going on like within themselves,

and I don't know if they're – they're not – they haven't turned it on destroy mode yet. Yeah, but Brooke Lopez at 7'2", got to give me more than five rebounds. Oh, no, no. That's it. That's it. You know what he does? What he does great is he boxes, his man,

he boxes out everybody. That's the old school ball. Let the ball hit the floor and somebody else comes get it. Yeah, and that's what he does. I was wondering because I'm like, wait, what are you doing down there? And I'm just watching him because I made little plays here and there.

I only need like six rebounds. Right. I'm watching him and he's just, he's boxing out everyone. He's making sure every, no one else gets this ball. And it's hard for him to get rebounds because he's hovering out around the three point line. So like when he's,

when he's down there on the defensive end, yeah, he can grab the rebound, but it's hard because he's looking to shoot threes. Yeah. And so guy that's shooting threes, you're not going to expect him to get, you know, 13, 14 rebounds. Although he should give me more than five at seven foot tall.

Gil, we got to dress this elephant in the room. I don't know if you saw it today, but I saw it today. He ginormous. And he been causing the stir since I had Cat Williams on my podcast. Oh, man. Man, Gil. And the thing is that when he came, I had reached out to Cat last year. And he said he was going to get to him.

But in the meantime, I've had Steve Harvey on the pod. I've had Cedric D'Antertain on the pod. I've had Michael Blackston on the pod. Ricky Smiley on the pod. And so everybody's got, with the exception of Steve, Steve didn't really tell any stories about the comedy thing. He just told how he started out in comedy and ended up branching. You know, Steve is really positive now. No matter what

you think of him, I like Steve. I talk to Steve from time to time. He's been great to me, and I can only judge someone by the experience that I have dealing with said person. But when... We make a little small chit-it chat we're both getting mic'd up

and so i'm thinking to myself you know i got questions i always send questions so i said questions for anywhere between three hours i'd say three hours if they got that kind of time good but i'm thinking can't wait if they're gonna you know because he don't really do a whole lot he doesn't do a whole lot of posting and he doesn't do a whole lot of sit down. And like he said, you know, I got to feel like I want to, I ain't telling a product. I'm not selling a book.

I don't, I don't promote my shows. I got to feel like I want to come talk to said individual, individual, even though I'm not selling anything. And he told me, he said, now you got a great platform. He said, I love how you let the, the guests talk, let them share their story.

You don't interrupt, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, cool. Well, you know, well, actually, I sit the interview for about an hour and a half. That's what I go. But I always have a couple of cards that if we need to go a little longer, I can get some stuff in. So the interview goes 246. Now, mind you, I I got another I still got questions for another 20-30 minutes so we really

could have gone over three hours but at that point in time I'm exhausted so you know I do my interview hey welcome to another edition of Club Shea Shea I'm your host also a proprietor blah blah blah and then I read around his accolades what he or she has done

and so we take I I say, when you come on, we take a, he took a shot. Gil, before I ask one question, he went 30 minutes. So now as the interview he, interview, excuse me, as the interviewer,

I'm going in my head, do I cut him off and get to the line of questioning or do I let him go? You like to let him go. Yeah. God, you in control. Take the wheel.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he went, I heard, I see he, he went and that little liquor hit his body. Shook him.

No, but, but like he said, like he said, he said, I don't need to be motivated. The truth doesn't move. He says, I just, I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to set the record straight. And he's asking me, say, well, why did you, he said, I don't need to be motivated. The truth doesn't matter. He says,

I just, I'm going to tell the truth. I'm going to set the record straight. And he's asking me, say, well, why did you, I say,

Kat, I'm assuming when someone comes on my show and they're telling me something that no one else has heard, I'm assuming they're telling me the truth because only said individual was there with no. Yeah. So you're asking me, well,

why didn't you correct this? Hell, I wasn't on the set, so I couldn't, you know what I'm saying? I can't correct it. This is your opportunity to set the record straight. What's so funny, that happens in a lot of interviewers when they say, you know, why didn't you ask them this? How the fuck am I supposed to know? You should have called in and, you know, rebuttaled. But, you know, and I've done as much research as I possibly can.

We do our due diligence. We make sure we find as much as we possibly can. And sometimes we're able to find nuggets in their heads. Like, who told you this? How did you find this? Because we do a deep dive. And so my team, CJ, mainly CJ, he does as great a job as he possibly can.

And I was like, well, CJ, did you hear about this? And there are some things that I've heard over the years that we ask and people, they ask. They're like, well, how did you hear this? Where did you get this from? I said, I got my sources too. So we try to make sure that we cover everything and we're as thorough as possible.

But my thing is, Gil, is that, look, you come to my platform, you talk. I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not trying to be, I had no idea where Cab was going to go. I had some, the only thing that I really, that he, like I said, he went 30 minutes and I didn't even get a question in. I didn't ask him where he was going to go. I had some... The only thing that I really... Like I said, he went 30 minutes

and I didn't even get a question in. I didn't ask him where he was from, how old he was, how many brothers and sisters he had. I didn't ask him anything. He just says, this is what's on my mind.

Yeah. But that's what makes for a great interview sometimes. You know what I mean? Because, you know, he probably listened to that interview and felt some type of way, obviously did.

But it's like you have the ball in your hand, right? Yes, yes. He had the ball in his hand. Yes. Right? He's making the call. They're coming to him. Like he said, I'm getting all these things things and I'm I'm trying to change it.

I'm saying I'm not going to do this. I don't want this. I don't want that. Well. How long before they stop asking you to do stuff, if you're going to keep denying and trying to change something right before they just move on? So I think the problem is, is the balls you didn't want. Someone else picked them up and became a star with it. Right. Before they just move on. So I think the problem is, is the balls you didn't want. Someone else picked them up and became a star with it. Right. Right. Now you want to try to diminish the person's stardom. Right. He's a plant. No. He probably was a plant. Now he's a fucking tree. He's a tree. Right. He's done got his roots into ground, and he's stabilized. Right.

Right? And I think that's the problem. When he had the ball, I don't think he capitalized the way he wanted to. Genius. What he does is great. His movie roles, excellent. He plays the hell out of them. Yeah.

You know, some of the roles he dodged that he rightfully so. Some of the roles he should have took. Right. But that's his decision. He made the decision. Somebody else said, I'll do it. Right. And they took off.

You can't blame a man for taking a job that you didn't want to take. No, absolutely not. And I think the thing is that when i told people i was like look i out the gate in 24 i said i'm we're gonna break the internet i said the guy that i that i got last and the person that got teed up i gill you know like a lot of times and i've done over 100 of these just for club shea shea much more because i used to do a lot of interviews when i was cbs and so um and you're like, I think this is going to be really, really,

really good. But you don't know. You don't know. Because there have been some that I thought I did an excellent job, and it didn't get the views, the likes, the mention, and didn't go viral like I thought it would. And I did some I thought it was okay, but it just took off. But this one I had a sense.

And I remember asking, talking to Jordan, talking to CJ and the makeup, and they was like, what you think? And everybody was just, they was just shaking their head. I was like, what? They was like, you don't

get, they're like, Shannon, this is going to go crazy. Yeah. I don't know, because you know, I'm trying to stay in my role as the interviewer and not pick a side.

You know, he says something funny, I'm going to laugh, but I'm trying to stay as straight and narrow as I possibly can. I'm not trying to push him in any direction. You just go. You just do you, and I'm going to try to push him in any direction. You just go. You just do you, A. And I'm going to try to follow you wherever you go. But if there's something that I think that the audience is going to want to follow up to,

I'm going to try to get that in there. Yeah. But, Gil, I mean, I remember walking out and CJ, the producer of the show, he called. He's like, Shannon, this is going to blow up the internet. I said, you think so? I said, I think it was good. He's like, no, you haven't done anything like this. And it's gone crazy.

It's because you have, because there's a history and the guests you had already laid the dominoes up for someone who's saying, wait, hold on. you had already laid the dominoes up for someone who's saying, wait, hold on, I got the ace cards on all y'all. Hold on, uh-uh. That's not how this played out. He gets to show his Trump.

And that's what that was. There were some episodes that I did and not like this one where someone is getting to Trump and make himself like, no, that's not what happened. That's not what happened. I had some that after we finished, I said, yo, we're going to blow. But how does he look at me

after this? Because sometimes when you're doing an interview and the guy gets so comfortable, he starts saying some things that I mean, because that's the thing, Gil. I'm cool with Steve Harvey. I'm cool with Ricky Smiley. I'm cool with Sad Dental Tanner. I'm cool with Kevin Hart.

I know Michael Blackson a little bit, but I don't know him. I don't have his number, but a lot of the people that he... Earthquake. Earthquake, my dog. I talk to Earthquake all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Now, he's the guy that I talk to more than any of those guys, but do I have conversations with Steve Harvey? Absolutely. Have I talked to Kevin Hart? Yeah, been to Kev's house, checked his car collection

and just saw him at an event the other night. So I have a personable relationship. I'm not saying we boys, they come to my house and I go to their house, but we have a friendly relationship that we cool. And so my thing is, I'm like, well, that's the hardest part. Because he's talking, he's saying things about people. And I'm like,

man, I say the best thing for me to just to be Switzerland, stay neutral, ask the questions. And then I'm going to let the view, view an audience. I'm not taking a side. I'm gonna let the view and audience take their side.

Cedric has already responded. Michael Blackson has responded. I don't think, I don't think, I don't know if Cat's going to respond. But it wasn't our faith. One of our faithful said, that damn Laporte is true, sir. Cat took one sip. Nah.

Hey, what? No, actually, we got, Jordan can tell you, we could have, should have had the cameras rolling when he walked in. Oh, he was gone already. And I don't think a lot of people really understand.

When you're coming from the athletic side, you have more integrity, right? Than just a beat writer, right? Who's trying to make their name off of interviews. There's some where I had to erase a whole 20, 30 minutes of rants. I'm like, oh, nah. If you want to do this on your own, do it on your own, but I'm not going to put this

out and then you look at me and like, why did you protect me? Yes. That's the thing. I'm like, wow. I just yeah, and that's the thing. I'm like, wow. And so I just hope, and from the looks of it, fans have really liked it. That was our goal was to try.

Look, my goal is always the same, Gil. I try to do the best content I possibly can. I try to get people that I believe, people that subscribe, listen, view, watch, download Club Shay Shay want to hear from. Yeah. And for the most part, I can't get one or two stories that they haven't told or they haven't told in a long time. And if they have told people don't remember. And so what Cat did, I mean, he did he did me a solid. I mean, because, you know, I didn't think I was going to be able to get him as soon as I did. I didn't. And and at the end of the day and what I've decided to do, I'm still Club Shea Shea's best booking agent. Yes, I have a company. I got two companies that help, but I'm the best booking agent. So I'm just going to go back to, you know, hey, get on my phone.

Hey, bro. Hey, or go to people's DMs. Listen, it was a good it was a good interview. I mean, there's nothing there's, you know, you know, this is between them. They all said their piece and he got to say his right that's how this was this this is just having to be last you know the man's having to be last the the person that laughed the loudest laugh last that's the last laugh that you heard yeah right and and and and because i follow because i follow comedy so much I know all these guys joke.

I know their material. I know, like, I sound like this guy's, right? You know, I used to BET. Oh, yeah, Comedy View and Deaf Comedy Jam, absolutely. And Apollo, yeah. That's why my humor sounds like the 90s. Yeah. Right? It sounds like the 90s,

that rough, rugged, Corey Holcomb straight at you type of humor. You know what I mean? So guys were like, man, you should have blown. What happened? Right? You know, so this has been a war

for a long time. Yeah. With this group. Right. With this group. So it's one of those things where because there's only allowed right now, only a few

comedians that can be at the top when you get that spot. The only thing you really can do is try to give parts to everyone else. I think where Kevin has thrived for himself is when he can't do something, he puts someone else on.

Yeah. Right? If he can't do something, he puts someone else on. Right. When you was in that position, if you didn't think of that, you can't get mad that he's doing it. Right. Right? You know what I mean?

Because him, you know, Cat and Mike Epps, they both beefing with the same person. You know, he's just a man on the top and he's smarter not to let it go now. Yeah. That's how I am with my podcast is that I'm in a position now having a media company and I get an opportunity to try to help someone that want to help themselves that want that want to work because my whole thing is predicated on hard work and discipline now if you don't bring those things to the table it's not going to work for you and I so let's not waste any you know let's not waste your time and more importantly not let's not waste mine if you want

to work if you're disciplined if you want to grow this thing yes i'm probably a guy that can help you yeah and if i can't hey i'll point you in a different direction maybe we want different things maybe you want x and i can only give you t but that's okay but uh it was a great interview i'm glad you guys have received it very, very well. It's doing very well, very, very well on social media.

So thank you guys. I want to get that out because you guys were, you guys were, uh, blowing the chat up. The warriors doesn't seem like Draymond is even close to coming back. Ask, ask if he's been in contact with Draymond.

Steve Kerr said a little bit, we text, but we're giving him his space and he's giving us ours. Is he going to be back before the All-Star game, Gil? The thing is, if you're the Warriors, if you're Kerr, do you want him back before the All-Star game, right? Or do you want him back at all? You know, that's, I think that's the question, Gil.

It all depends on how Kaminga's playing, right? You know, my decision is going to be off Kaminga. What am I trying to do with the rest of the season? Am I trying to savor it? Am I trying to, you know, are we trying to make the playoffs? If not, hey, Draymond, you know, take as much time as you want.

You're not in a rush. You know, I'm looking... Your mental health is more important than you coming in here, you know, trying to win looking for your mental health is more important than you coming in here winning you know trying to win games so right now it's more about you know relax take a break recalibrate and think about what you want to do with the next four years or five years of your career it's tough yeah it's really tough g Gil, because Draymond has meant so much to this organization. And when you mean so much, it's hard to let go.

Mm-hmm. And the question that I asked, and I had this conversation with Perk, I said, well, Perk, let me pitch it to you like this. It seems to me, anytime someone tried to challenge Draymond for that big three, he lashed out.

If you look at him with Kevin Durant, because all of a sudden KD comes in there. I mean, look, I understand you guys have been there. You had won before KD, but I don't think that was the time or the place and KD's like, give me that rock, give me that rock.

And Draymond was like, hey, bro, I was making plays before you got here. Get down there and I'm going to get you the ball. So that. You see Jordan Poole. Now all of a sudden, Jordan Poole coming off a great season. They mentioned Jordan Poole. He's a new member of the Big Three. Kaminga.

So it seems like Draymond didn't want to give up that spot as a member of the big three or his spot as the member. Maybe he now all of a sudden is four, but you're not three. And it seems like he lashes out when he feels that onslaught coming on. What do you think?

Is there any validity, any truth to what I'm saying? What do you think is going on with Draymond? That's the real thing. It's like if anybody's a pet lover and you have a dog, right? You had a dog for years, been loyal to you, and you're bringing a new dog, right? Yeah. That old dog is jealous. Yes, absolutely. And it's going to nitpick, it's going to

bar, it's going to do whatever it takes to get rid of it, right? We know that, right? The same thing in locker rooms, right? He devoted himself to this team, these players, and just like anything, you got to upgrade. You being

a psycho-fascial lamb, I don't think he was ready for it. When KD came on, KD's name was KD, and he's like, I'm not no fourth-wheel member of him. I'm not the one out. Like, when you put the billboard, I'm there.

And they're like, ah, it's the big three. It's the big three billboard, right? Yeah. It's the big three billboard, right? And it probably did hurt his pride a little bit. If it wasn't going to change the way he played, it would probably change some of the outbursts towards teammates. Right, right, right.

That's the difference between a Dennis Rodman, a UD, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason's them. They didn't do it to their teammates. No. Right. That's the thing. Look, I understand

that that's the problem, is that you lashing out of the teammate. And it's tough. It's tough when you bend that dog and it's like, nah, bro, you ain't finna come up here. It's like kids. A kid is the only kid for a while. And you bring a new kid in there and see what happens if you don't pay attention to it. Usually, we talk about pets. talk about we talk about kids yes it's just natural

i think the thing is for for for me i the way i looked at it gives like look there is enough pie for all of us to eat now we might not get the same slice. I understood that John Elway and Terrell Davis was going to get the bigger slice of the pie or cake or whatever dessert it was. But we won. I don't get to eat. I might not have got three schools like they did, but that one school was going to be well, plenty. And I don't think enough guys think like that. It's like, but it's not the three scoops that I'm normally getting. And that's what it is.

I was getting three scoops. Now you say you want to give two scoops, two of my scoops to him. I don't know him like that. Right. He got two of my scoops. I'm stuck with one. Nah. And time comes. You get replaced. You get moved.

And you got to understand the pecking order of just the game itself. When you was the third option, you did your job. We would not have four rings without you. You have done it. You've done

what you've done. You put us in a position to keep moving forward. And I don't think sometimes we you've done what you've done you put us in a position to keep moving forward right right and that's and i don't think sometimes we understand that part um the decision is going to be hard and i think that's why you know the main guy stepped down and gave it a done leaving you make this move yeah right i don't want to make this because I'm attached to it. I just like trying to tell one of your kids, hey, you got to go. You can't go back here.

And sometimes you can't do that. And I wouldn't be able to. You won four championships with me. I don't know if I can let you go like that. I would probably just be on the thing like, hey, I'm going to pay you, but I'm not going to play. I don't want to trade you because I want you to retire here. There's just so much

when it comes to the loyalty part that it's going to be hard. You know what I mean? Because it is. But you know what? The way I looked at it in every situation is that I looked at it like I left it better

than I found it. And if you are what you believe you are, you will never be forgotten. I haven't played football in 20 years, but I tell you what, in Baltimore, they remember what I did with the Ravens. They remember what I did in Denver.

That's all I can do. I can come there and give you everything I possibly got. I'm going to lay it all on the line for you. But when it's my time, when you say, Shannon, it's your time to leave. Got to go. I appreciate the two years you gave me. I appreciate the 12 years you gave me. That's it.

Hey, you know, I hope he's in good spirit. I hope he's taking his time to read, you know, not reflect on why you were suspended. Reflect on the great things you have done for the game. Right. You know, I think sometimes when we're penalized, we, we try to figure out, you know, why are we in this position? Right. And, you know, what could I have done to? Sit back and think about your rookie season and how you won your four championship, right?

Think about the good things you did because in real time, we don't look at our life. We don't look into your life until you're done and you get to go over plays that you forgot because you were a machine-like player. Right now, he gets to sit back and reflect on the greatness he's done. Think about Gil. The man was a second-round draft pick. If somebody would have told him, say, you know what?

We're going to let you play a decade plus. You win four titles. You'll win Defensive Player of the Year. You'll win defensive player of the year. You'll be an all NBA player. Man, he'd have jumped on that with both feet. What? Yes. Yes, sir.

And I think that's what he needs to think about. All of us. When Katie heard his Achilles, I said, think about how great you played up until now. Yes. Reflect on what you've done great so you know where you're going later. When you get back healthy, you have a clear path in where you're going. And I said, take it from me, I was so into the moment of trying to get my place back that I didn't even enjoy the process.

I put so much stress on myself to try to get back my game that I didn't realize that I wasn't healthy. Right. Right? Yeah, I wasn't healthy. I'm sitting here. I had three knee surgeries in 14 months. And it was never the same.

You can't keep going. You can't keep going into the body and think you're going to be the same. I don't care. Oh, and you know the thing, if Gil, oh, he having minor surgery. Minor surgery only happens

to someone else. It's major when it happens to you. He having minor surgery. Hold on. You had the same surgery and said it was major. Yeah. face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say,

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No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask Attorney General. I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today.

The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Clay said something very interesting. Clay seemed to have accepted

that he's not the same player he used to be. Last night, he revealed he had a conversation with Steve Kerr about the need to improve negative energy, be a better mentor, enjoy the last chapter of his career, rather than obsess over stats and performance. It's tough. How tough is it for a player to know they've got no? It seems like Steve Kerr could tell him something that he called us.

You don't know what you're talking about. I know what I can see. I see better than I know. It seems like Steve Kirk could tell him something that he called us. You don't know what you're talking about. I know what I can see. I see better than I hear. I know what you're saying, that you're the same guy, but that ain't what I see. Reality takes a while to catch up with us. When you get old, reality

takes a while. It takes a good ass whooping in the game to realize, oh, we ain't the same player no more. Right. And I think that's where the problem lies is he knows deep down inside he's not

the same player. And he was hoping that them four rings paid him. It gave him the extension to reflect versus going out the way he's going out. He should have took that two year 48. He should have took that two year 48, Gil. And that's the problem. In his mind, I know I'm not worth 43, 44, but I'm not worth 20.

I'm not worth 20 something. I'm a reason. I'm 35 at least. Yeah. Right. And you're worth what you get. Yes. You're only worth what somebody is willing to pay.

People like, man, I wouldn't pay 20 million for no house. Okay. But somebody else did. I wouldn't pay 2 million for a car, but somebody else will. Worth is only determined by what someone is willing to pay for it. That's what worth is. You don't get to determine your worth because you don't get to pay yourself. Hey, I'm at EMP.

Hey, give me $ EMP. Hey, give me $40 million a year. Hey, that sounds like ladies on IG. Hey, know yourself worth, girl. Girl, you ain't worth. I'm worth this. I'm worth that. Not if a dude ain't willing to give it to you. You're not.

That sounds funny. I understand you know you're worth it. You think you're worth a Birkin bag and a Cullinan and a private jet. I get that you think you're supposed to get all of that. But that ain't how I value you. Yes. So, unless, look, I had a situation. I was talking to this young lady and she says, I want to watch.

So, you know, I'm thinking, you know, what you want? I want an AP. Gil, I only got one AP. Now, I got one AP after playing 14 years in the NFL, being a Hall of Famer, and having a 17-year career in TV. I got

one AP. And you come in and say you want an AP? An AP. But I say, hey, Gil, I see. And she said, if you don't get it, we can't see each other no more. Cool. I walk right downstairs. She already, Gil, right here before God,

she already knew I wasn't going to get it. Because as I'm walking down the stairs, she had an Uber out there waiting. She already knew I wasn't going to get it. I saw Gil. I saw her three days later. Guess what she had on IG? An AP.

Somebody got it. O'Shea Sharp wasn't going to get it. I saw her three days later. Guess what she had on? On IG. A AP. Ooh. Somebody got it. Ooh. O'Shea Sharp wasn't going to get it. And she's still single. And that's the problem. You know, dating today, it's different because it's self-worth. And that's not a real thing, right?

You're worth what you bring to the table, right? Yes. If I have a table, you can't say you are the table. I have a table. So that means I'm going to take your table, put it in because my table is going to be more expensive. So I'm going to put your table in a closet. It means you're not worth nothing to me. Are you going to bring food to this table? Are you going to be more expensive. So I'm going to put your table in a closet. I mean, you're not worth nothing to me. Are you going to bring food to this table?

Are you going to bring chairs to this table? Your worth is what someone needs at the time. If I have a quarterback, you can't be a quarterback. Sit on the bench. I got Lamar. I got Patrick Mahomes. I don't need another one of them. Can you play receiver?

Can you block? Can you tackle? And that's, and I don't think women totally understand that. Your value is not the value you think. It's the value they need from you.

Right. Yes. Yes. So don't be telling me what, oh, I got, if you ever tell me oh i know some some n-word some ninjas that'll do this well i'm gonna see it but you got to get up out of here because i'm not i know some girl you tell me what somebody else will do well i'm gonna give you that opportunity to go fulfill your obligation your dream because clearly i'm holding you back. You nothing to hold me hostage and try to make and guilt trip me and oh, my last boy.

Okay. Why are you not with him? I mean, every time I see you in an Uber, so what a color name. Well, you know what I'm saying? So what a Lambo truck. You telling me what all these boyfriends did for you, and you was in Bali, and you in the Maldives,

and you know what I'm saying? You were there, Malfi Coast. Where that at? Mm-hmm. You around me like a bumblebee humming and bumming, and you telling me what they did. Where? I don't see it.

Hold on. You done named some places I've never even heard of. What kind of women you going after? I'm just telling you what they tell you. Now, if it's a lie, they told it. I'm just telling you. And every time I see them, they on vacation. So clearly somebody.

But you know what? I see them, but I don't see the dude. So, and I'm cool. I ain't got no problem with that to each his own but I'm just telling you you can't guilt trip me into doing something okay if I do something I'm going to do it out of the kindness of my heart

not because I'm trying to one up another dude because I don't care what he does he might make $500 million. Him giving you an AP versus me giving you an AP? Nah. Nah. I got other responsibilities.

I got grandkids now. I got kids. I got a mom. I got a sister. I got brothers. I got overhead. But they ain't self-worth. And what you offering ain't worth it ain't no AP ain't no AP I'm just sorry I'm just gonna keep it real

and that's that's the Golden State speech to Clay hey you ain't worth no AP whatever happened to what happened to Aroly I remember when Aroly was the joint now they talking about AP they won't put text they won't Vacheron Constantine.

I don't even know what that is. Yeah! They want Jacob. I want iPhone. They got the time right there on the iPhone. Hey, Gil, man. Hey, man. Hey.

Like I said, look. And I'm more of a guy that I'll give. But when you come to me sideways, I'm a book. It's as simple as that. I'm a book. I ain't going to lie to you. Yeah, be honest.

When women do that, I'm putting you in a category. And that category has a short road, right? Either you want these items or you want longevity. You want the ATM or you want the safe, right? It's your choice. If you want the ATM right now, yeah, I'll get you that. But this is the road you want.

Eventually, I'm going to cut this cord, and I'm going to focus on the one who wants to build the bank with me. And the thing about the ATM, you have to put money back in it. Yep. So the safe is unlimited. Unlimited. But they don't.

It's, hey, these don't, hey, I'm sorry, McGill and I got off on this tangent. No, I'm not. We're going to be off on this tangent no i'm not we're gonna be off another tangent next week we're gonna be on the tangent again next week pat bell says joe lmb is on pace to have the greatest season all time if he finished the season the way he's playing now it would be the greatest season of a single player that's ever played a game of basketball he's leading the league in scoring with averaging about 35 points a game. He returned to the lineup on Tuesday for the first time since December 22nd, dropped 31-15-10 on the Bulls.

It's his 15th straight game with at least 30 points and 10 rebounds. He averaged 40 points for the month of December on 61-42-92 splits. The Sixers in a Tuesday outscoring their opponents by about 10 points a game with a B on the floor. Pat Bell, I like Pat Bell. I really do. Got an opportunity to see him around from time to time. Being at the Lakers game last year,

got an opportunity. He come over, he hollered at me. So are we going to say like Wilt's seasons didn't exist? Jordan's season didn't exist? Kobe's season didn't exist? So I'm just trying to say, and I get it. People act like today. Like, whatever you see today, that's the greatest.

That's the best food. That's the best car. That was the best clothes. Bro. So when he does 50-25, when he does 44-27, Wilt never averaged less than 18 rebounds a season. He averaged 30 points

and 23 rebounds for a season. Look at some of Jordan's season. Look at Kobe's season. Look at Harden's season. Harden had like 30 games where he averaged at least 30 points. And I'm not saying Joel Embiid is having a hell of a season.

But bro, just because someone is having a historic season, that doesn't mean we just discount everything that's ever happened up until this point. Oh no, he getting drug tested tomorrow. Oh no. Pat, come on up in this room

real quick. Go ahead, put your shirt up and go ahead and pee in this cup. We're going to have to test you on that statement. Come on. Like, 88. Like, 88 is a season to be remembered. Yes. All the accolades that was won by one man, which probably would never happen again.

No. No. Not win the scoring title, win the scoring title, win MVP, defensive player of the year. Or MVP. Yeah, yeah, defensive player of the year. All-star MVP. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a one-man tangent. That's never going to happen again. For Pat, this might be the best season that he's ever seen.

Been a part of. Been a part of or seen. Yes, yes. Jordan, A.D., we wasn't. We was little. We wasn't watching. Yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? A.D. and you. We didn't get to know, we was little. We wasn't watching. Yeah, you're right. You know what I mean?

We didn't get to understand what that was. So we can read the stats. So for the basketball minds, the 88, they're 81 for me, right? Watching, you know, T-Mac hit the 62 while I'm on the court, right? Those are games like, oh man. So him watching it in real time, that statement is coming from real life experience.

Not history. This ain't a history. This is what he's seen while he's been playing the game of basketball. And Steph winning the MVP unanimous. He's the only guy that's ever won that and he's a guard. And he led the MVP unanimous. He's the only guy that's ever won that, and he's a guard.

And he led the league in scoring. I mean, there have been some great seasons. We'd have to go back and look, but we'll probably got five of them. Yeah, but like, you know, in today's game, you're trying to, you know, with these players, you know, what they're going to remember is, they'll remember Kobe's 81. Yes. Three on the Mavs. You'll remember Russell's triple-double that first year, that triple-double season. Yes, yes.

You're going to remember that. Oscar, yes. That Steph Curry when everybody was on. With that 73-9 that year, you're going to remember that. There's these glimpses in James Harden's tangent. Joker at the beginning of the season last year,

but I think with 35 a game from the big man, the way he's doing it, this could go down within the last 10 years as probably one of the best seasons. You last 10 years. That's probably one of the best. Yeah. You know, and you know,

you're right there. That's your guy. That's your teammate. So yeah, you're going to give them extra little love. Yeah. Yeah. You,

you add a little ease to it. Sort of grow a little more. You want to, you want to make a fellow Simon two more years. Yeah. I tell people all our basketball fans go back and look at that 61-62 season and look at the numbers that those guys put up. Because we'll average 50-25, but that was also the year that Oscar averaged a triple-double.

Yeah. That was also the year that Jerry West was, I think, 30 points, five rebounds, six assists. Walt Bellamy averaged like 31-19. Elgin Baylor was like 30-17. Go back and look at that season, 61-62. Many believe it's the greatest statistical season for

individuals in a basketball season. But that's not to throw shade because Joel Embiid is playing unbelievable. And right now, I think he and Joker have separated themselves from the pack. I think those are clearly the two best players. And there's no knock on Giannis, LeBron, KD, anybody. But those two big guys right there, they're the best at it right now.

Yeah, they're the best at what they're doing. I mean, they're really balling. I mean, you can throw Luka in there. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What Luka's doing is impressive, too. But, you know, the big guys right now are really dominating. And, you know, Jordan Beat is dominating, you know, scoring mostly. And Joker's dominating just overall basketball on how it's played.

Yeah. Westbrook enters the top 25 in scoring. He joins LeBron James and Oscar Robinson as the only two players in the top 25 in scoring, top 10 in assists. How should we remember Russ? As a

first ballot Hall of Famer. Yeah, absolutely. That's what he is. I mean, he's a guy that, you know, came in. He is the ideal player. When you're talking about that speech you got to give in a championship, right? We need to go out and we need to play 110% every possession. He's that guy that you're telling everyone

else to be. He's the guy that you're telling everybody, you don't have to prep him up. He is ready to go every game. We've never looked at a game and said, Russell didn't have it

today. He's giving you 110% every game. He ain't never short-changed me. Never. He ain't never, he never showed up for work without his hard hat and his work boots. You paid him an honest salary, he gave you an honest day's work. Now, was he high turnover? Sure.

Did he take some ill-advised shots? But at the end of the day, I know I can count on Russ. Now, was he high turnover? Sure. Did he take some ill-advised shots? But at the end of the day, I know I can count on Russ. Yep, man. Russ, you'll never. Nobody has played harder game in and game out, year in and year out. And I'm talking about the greats, the Russ. Yep. Not every game.

He played every game. Like, man, I don't even know. not only am I, I might not even be here tomorrow. I might not be in the NBA. I might not be alive. I might be on Mars. I might be on Jupiter. He played every game like it was his last game. Yes.

And that's what we need to remember. Right? You know, it's everything else is is opinion, perception. Right? You know, you're rebounding. That's a hustle. You're knocking a man for hustling now. Right?

You know, like, there's Lopez. Can you get 10 rebounds? God damn. Hell no. He ain't never averaged 10 rebounds in a season. Has he? Has Robert Brook Lopez ever averaged 10 rebounds? Hell no.

Probably like seven or eight. But that's the thing that Russell gets your stat chasing rebounds, and then the big man who's supposed to get it ain't doing it. He needs stat chase too. He gets a rebound. Can he do it? Yeah. 8.6 is Brook Lopez's eye. So, you know, if I have a Lopez,

I need a Russell. Yeah. Get the rebounds he can't get. You know what I mean? So, you know, when you have a guy like that's going to give you your I'm going to write that check to him every time. Because I know as long as he can, as long as he puts on that jersey,

he's going to give me my money's worth. That's all you can ask a man. Does OKC have the best core players in the league? Chandler Parsons says, I think it's not even close that the Thunder have the best core now, and they have the best core moving forward. Core? Is that two players, three

players? Well, they got every Williams that lives in Oklahoma is on the team. They got like seven guys named Williams on the team. So Jalen Williams, one with a Y and the other with an L. Because I mean,

your core right now is Shea Chet. I mean, start of the season, Giddy was part of that core, but he went from averaging 16 to averaging 12 this year, so he's having a down year. He's averaging less than

he did his rookie year. His rookie year was 12, 8, and what? 12, 8, and 6. This year is 12, 6, and 4. Is he part of my core? Really, I got two players. Are those three better than Fox, Sabonis, and Murray? Grizzlies,

Ja, Bain, and Jaron? Raptors, quickly, Barrett, and Jaron. Raptors quickly buried in Barnes. I mean, you know, you got a few teams out there that got a nice little young nucleus. Right. I mean, you want to say they got one of the best young players. Okay, I get that with Shea. Obviously, you know, he's right there. What is he like, 22, 23?

Yep. About 22, 23? Yep. And when you look at it and you know, I don't know if you said this Perk and I was talking about it on our first take and you're talking about the trade is that Doc was

explaining, said like, you know, hey Kawhi, I think you need to give this kid a chance. And he's like, no, if you don't get PG, if I can't get PG, I'm going to have to go to the other team. And Perkin, I was, and I agree. Shea better than Paul George. Right now, Shea better than Kawhi. I mean, I'm not talking about, I'm talking about Kawhi right now.

Now, Kawhi got accolades. Kawhi's a two-time finals champ. He's a two-time finals MVP. There's no denying that. But Shay better right now. Oh, yeah. I mean, Shay was better last year. He better.

And I can count on him. He gonna play. He gonna give me 70 games. Yeah, I mean, that's what I said. They have one guy. They have Chet. And then from there, you know, you got Giddy. I mean, you know, like, Ja Bane and Jaren, you know, you know, you know, you got, you got giddy. I mean, you know, like job Bain and Jaron, you know, seems like a more solid three.

Yeah. It's a three. It's a, you know, it's three, you know, to be honest because they're still young. I mean, Boston, I mean, yeah. I mean, with, with, with, with, with Tatum Brown and Derek and, and, and, and, and why Tatum Brown and White. Yeah, Tatum Brown and White. I mean, and Porzingis. Porzingis. I mean, but, you know, with those two, you still got a solid unit. So, you know, when they make statements like, you know, core, they have a nice core.

Like, how young you're talking so you can cut out some of these numbers. But, you know, Grizzlies, Raptors. Grizzlies, SAC, and OKC. They're right there. I agree. Meadow says Wembley, Wemby Yama, for sure will score 101 points

in the NBA game. Wemby Yama is the closest to Will that we'll ever see. He's going to run into a Detroit Pistons from a year or 20 years ago. He's going to run into a Detroit Pistons from a year, or the Clippers 20 years ago. He's going to get 101. Can we drug test retired players too? Yeah, they should.

He must have been. I've been trying to make sure ain't none of my bottles been open behind me, Gil, because he clearly broke in my house and drank an old bottle. No. I mean, I mean, people just,

they make us, first of all, obviously, he's skilled. He's 7'4", 7'3 1⁄2", 7'4". He's skilled.

He can shoot like no other 7'4 guys that we've ever seen. Got nice handles. But do you know how, I mean, how incredibly efficient you're going to have to be

to get 100 points? Okay. Okay, if we rewind time and go back to the year, there's the Shacks when he lost that scoring title to David Robinson. David Robinson at 71. Yeah, so how he got that 71 is, it could be a possibility for Wimmy, but his team don't like him like that. Where they was force feeding David Robinson so he can beat that scoring title.

Right. Right. Now, if he had teammates like David Robinson, Dennis, hey, you want to score 101? We're just going to give you the ball every single time. And we're just going to see if you can break it. I don't that in ain't today's basketball. Right? It's unlikely.

But when you go look at, look at the, look at how many shots, when Kobe scored 80, when Wilt scored 100, I think he shot like 48 times. He was 28, if I'm not mistaken, he was like 28 or 32 from the free throw line. What's the likelihood of somebody getting up 48 shots in an nba game now colby got up 50 his last game he scored 60 yes it'd be okay so when you talk about something like that like it has to be

one of those days where the team is like okay we're gonna're going to allow you to do this. And the fact that he is 7'6", and most of that, most of those buckets can be right under the basket. Right. It won't happen, but let's say, hey, I need 101 points to break the scoring record. And the teammates be like, all right, bet, let's do this.

But do you really, but not in a competitive game. No, it won't happen in a competitive game and plus you're gonna have to shoot you're gonna probably have to shoot somewhere between 30 and 40 free throws and you're gonna have to make like 95 of them yeah but he gets you free those what what's what's what's wimpy free Will, that was Will's greatest free throw that night. He went 28 of 32. See, it was a man.

It was a man. It was a man. But, and the thing was, they were stalling the ball. They didn't want him to get it. So they just like, he's shooting 78%. So in other words, he got to shoot like 60 free throws and make like 48 of them. I mean, that's what I said. It's unrealistic. It so in other words, he got to shoot like 60 free throws and make like 44, 48. I mean, that's what I said. It's unrealistic.

It's just one of those days. It's just it's going to be one of those days where if, and they're not going to let you do it, Gil. You remember when Book had that streak, I think he had like three games in a row he had averaged like 50. And then he had like 40, like 44 with like five minutes to go.

And they just tripled-teamed him. They're like, no, you're not going to do this. No, no, yeah. You're not going to get 50 on us again. Nope, nope, nope. It ain't going to happen. I mean, pride from the other team is in. But that's where the fouling comes in, too,

where I don't want you to score, so I'm going to foul you. You earn it at the free throw line. Right. You know, so I'm going to foul hard. He need to be drug tested tested too. That's all. Mike, ask you Junior ass. As a 43 year old man,

I appreciate the relationship combo. I knew getting old and dating. I knew I was getting old looking at the dating scene. DC to Virginia Beach. It's wild out here. It's wild out here. It's wild. It is. I'm not even going to lie. it's just, here. It's wild out here. It's wild. It is.

I'm not even going to lie. I guess it's just the expectations that has been set. I tell women this, and it's rough. It is rough. Bring the value you need to bring. I can't outsource it., I can't outsource it.

If I can't outsource your value, then that's the value that you need to bring to me. If I can outsource it, oh, I clean. I can get a maid. I can get a chef. I can give you a little bit of this. Oh, I can pay for that from somebody else. If I can outsource the responsibilities, then you're not worth

what you think you are. I can't outsource love. Bring me peace. The one thing they can't fucking do sometimes. Bring me no distractions. Why are they sitting there, hey? The kids.

I mean, that's what I need. Simple. It's simple. It's simple, right? It's the attention, right? And women don't understand this for men, right? Especially a working man. If we're working and we're doing all of this and our life

is the way it is, right? And we're dating and I just finished my job and I'm going out there to chill. What changes is now I have to entertain you. That's not peace for me. Right. Now I to entertain you. That's not peace for me. Right.

Now I got to entertain you. Hey, you got to show me some affection today. It's easier to remove you and I don't have to do that. Right? Versus now, I just left job. Now I got to entertain you for two hours, but for now I can go to sleep or do this and do that. Like it becomes now a job versus, hey, while I'm at work, you do something. And then, you know, when you're done and I'm done, we come and we can enjoy each other's space versus now I got to entertain you and make you feel important. Which that becomes another chore for a man.

You look at that, that's another job for you. That's another job. Yeah. And I get it, you know, for me, is that I just can't be a hype man. I just can't tell you 20 hours a day how good you look, how fine you are, and how lucky I am to have you. I just can't be your hype man. Not all the time. I don't got no problem telling you, how fine how fine you are and how lucky i am to have i just can't

be your hype man not all the time i don't got no problem telling you that damn baby you fine i am lucky you're smart i appreciate what you do hey you make sure everything blow smoothly but i can't do that all the time i can't i can't because we don't require it the only thing i want to do all the time is breathe. That's the only thing I want to do all the time. It's tough, Gil. Unless you're in this situation, people think just because you got money, everything

is easier. Well, some of the things, but what about the things that money can't buy? Can't buy me peace. Can't buy me love. Can't buy me understanding. Can't buy me compassion. You're talking about all the things that... Honesty.

All the things that money can buy will only suffice temporarily. That new car is only going to make you happy for a short period of time because it's going to get dirty just like all the rest of them. That new watch, hey, man, they only made 15 of these.

Guess what? They're going to make 15 of a different kind next year or going on that vacation. So all the things that money can provide doesn't necessarily make you happy. Yeah, it's, you know, when somebody looks at like, man, and y'all need to find the right ones. And yeah, everyone, that's everyone. It's just not us. It's everyone. Just as a woman, understand from the other side of what a man is doing, right?

We know what you do. Your home, if you're taking care of the house and all that. We get that, right? When he's at work, he's doing his job. Sometimes when that man comes home for peace, he don't want to stay working. And working is

what do you want to do? You want to go to the mall? You want to go do this? How you doing? How you doing? Right? It becomes exhausting to the point where it's like it's easier to not point where it's like, it's easier to not have you. Right? Yeah. Because

one thing I know we're not going to do as men is we're not going to stress ourselves out. No, why would it? Yeah. I mean, my job is stressful enough to come up, you know, we do this, I do nightcap three days a week, I come up with we do, I do this. I do night. I do nightcap three days a week.

I come up with, we do, I do first take twice a week. I do club. Shay, Shay. So to constantly try to come up with fresh content and talk about things that doesn't sound redundant and people haven't heard over and over to break the

monotony of it, to not only edge entertain, but to educate and inform people. It's not an easy task. No. And the last thing I want to do is come home. I mean, so look, I'm a gossip. And the thing is, the people that they see on TV and people ask like, have asked people, what's he really like?

People that have dated me. And they say he's nothing like what you see on television. Quiet. He comes home, he'll eat, he'll interact and he just goes upstairs. Most of the time, if it's not sports on, he doesn't watch TV. I'm a deep

thinker and, you know, I come in, hey, how you doing? How your day was? Good. I'm going to play with the dogs for a little while because they hadn't seen me. They're going to be all you know good I'm going to play the dogs for a little while because they hadn't seen me they're going to be all over me I'm going to play with them get them settled down for about 20 minutes

eat shower talk a little while and that's it I just want to and ask somebody yeah brush your teeth for the eighth time. She always tried to, she asked Jordan,

you see how she tried to get it in? It didn't talk about, why y'all always picking on me? Cause you always looking to get a little jam and don't think nobody notice it. Upgrade, Upgrade King donated. He said, Uncle gill should the winner of the end season tournament get an automatic buy into the playoffs succeed winner takes so much out out of teams it's like

like like it's doing it to the lakers should if you win the end season tournament should you automatically get a playoff beat no because um you know you don't want to win an in-season tournament and then tank it the rest of the season and then becoming in the playoffs. Because if you make the playoffs, let's just say you become last place, right? Now, that

last place gets you damn near top three, four pick. But if you won an in-season tournament, you in the playoffs and you get a sixth seed. You don't want the sixth seed draft pick. Yeah. But if you won an in-season tournament, you in the playoffs and you get a sixth seed, you don't want the sixth seed draft pick. Yeah, no. I won't. I want the number one,

the top three seed. Hopefully I get the top pick. I get a Wimby Yama. Yeah. Or I get a LeBron. Yeah. I think that whoever wins the in-season tournament

should get the 14th pick in the NBA draft. Automatically. Right? Still lottery, but not the high end of the lottery. So if you win it and still become the last place, you got 14th, you might have 6th, and you get the number

one pick. You know what I mean? There has to be some reward for winning. Right. Right. Reward now in sports is the last place team, the bottom end.

We get to get the number one guy. We get to be rewarded with a future. Right. I get to tank, lose to get a future. That doesn't happen in everyday world, in everyday society. You cannot be a loser and be rewarded for being a... Imagine, you at first taking... This person has the worst takes.

He has the worst views. He gets an extra bump on the paycheck. And you're like, what? Or you could be like the Lakers, win the title at 82 gets an extra bump on the paycheck. And you're sitting there like, what? You could be like the Lakers win the title at 82 and they get the number one overall draft pick and it turns out to be James Worthy. But that's, hey, now that's something

to fight for. But that's something to fight for, though. Right now you're building teams because you know what the reward is. Or they used to have the draft where, you know, you could draft a player. The player could go back to school, but you still own his draft rights. That's what the Celtics did to Lambert. Lambert got drafted as a junior.

They drafted him. Now he went back to school and said, we still got you. Yep. And then you can lose that year and still get a number one pick again. And you still got Lambert. You still got Lambert. Vincent R. said, Dwayne The Rock Johnson

returned home to the WWE on Monday and called out his cousin, the tribal chief Roman Reigns. Ungill, who were your favorite wrestlers growing up? Love the show. Were you a big wrestling fan?

Yeah. Oh, baby. Look, I was Jake The Snake, Robinson, Hulk Hogan. It was Jake The Snake, Ultimate Warrior. You got Ultimate Warrior, Jake The Snake. It was Jake the Snake, Ultimate Warrior. You got Ultimate Warrior, Jake the Snake. So that's my way back then.

Yeah, I go back a little further than you. I grew up with Georgia Championship Wrestling with Gordon Soley. So we had Dusty Rhodes, Andre the Giant. We had Bobo Brazil. We had Ox Baker. I mean, we had Mr. Wrestling number one and two. We had Pac Song. Oh, man we had Mr. Wrestling number one and two. We had Pac Song. Oh, man. It was Abdullah the Butcher.

It was just like my grandfather used to just haul us around. You know, we'd go to Savannah. We'd go to Vidalia. We'd go to Baxley. I mean, they would come to wrestle. We'd come to little small towns and wrestle back then. It's not WWE. It's not what it is because everybody had their own like Georgia championship and Florida championship and mid Atlantic championship.

Everybody like regionals had rep had wrestling. So it's not like, yeah, it's not under one roof. Like it was yet. You know? So, uh,

man, I just, man, who Harley race, Nick Bach, Winkle, man, I lose the love,

man. Hey, Hey, Gil, me and my cousin we packed up that car many times in the hotel in Savannah I've never been to one so I've never been to oh you've never been to one just as a kid watching it

what? Ric Flair? yeah Ric Flair yeah man Anderson man y'all know I love I love Sabah. 34 Virgo said, I'm 12 minutes into

the interview and I'm dead. Cat is straight wilding out a hand, straight wilding out with hand grenades, pausing to drink, has me rolling.

He was on one. He had a lot to get. He said, if you heard him, he got a lot to get off his chest. I was just, I was the vehicle and I was the car. Yeah, I was just,

and it's doing extremely well. It's up to 3.3 million views in about 12 hours. 13. 13. In 13 hours, we had 3.3 million views. Ooh, congratulations. I thought conservatively,

maybe we could get to like two and a half, but it looks like it might top out at five million in the first day. Yeah. I knew it was going to be big because there were 121,000 people watching it in the chat today. So I knew I was like, OK, oh, yeah, this might be I say this might be bigger than I thought.

Hmm. So I'm calling. So I call CJ, say, well, CJ, what I mean, he's like normally like if you can if you can get 3,000, 4,000 people, 3,000 to 4,000, we already have 48,000. What you mean 3,000 to 4,000? And it never came down. It never, you know, a lot of times you get in the chat, it'll dip. It never dipped. It just kept going. It was just great. It was great.

Bro, Antonio Robinson, great interview. Cat killed it. Proverbs 1320. He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of a fool will suffer harm. Watch them, great interview. Can't kill it. Proverbs 1320. He who walks with wise men will be wise, but the companion of a fool will suffer harm. Watch them up. Watch them friends up. I like that.

I like that. Lamar Allen said, that can't wait if the interview is going crazy. It is. It is. And so, guys, I really thank you guys for not only supporting Club Shea Shea, but supporting this Nightcap.

And, you know, we took some time off you guys for not only supporting Club Shea Shea, but supporting this nightcap. We took some time off from dropping episodes on Club Shea Shea because we wanted to start 2024 off with a bang. But I got something else in store too.

I got another heater. I got another heater. You came out like John Moran. Yeah in store, too. I got another heater. I got another heater, y'all. You came out like John Moran. Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got some smoke. Please make sure you hit that like button.

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who gave you those man what that's not the chat gonna go crazy with those I'm telling you. What? What are those?

I don't know. Oh, my God. They done sold you a bad pair. No, man. These old, these old. Uh-uh. These hot. Man, I got the last pair. I got the last pair. Those little bar balls, man. They done held out. Maybe I should have took the left shoe off

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