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Episode Date: August 25, 2024

Join Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson on their Nightcap Summer Sessions: LIVE from Atlanta. Unc & Ocho are joined by Carolina Panthers legend Cam Newton, LSU star Flau'jae Johnson, NFL legend Sterling Sharpe, and Atlanta Falcons head coach Raheem Morris.03:53 - Cam Newton45:22 - Sex or Next01:01:00 - Sterling Sharpe(Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.)#Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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URL, that's ro.co slash nightcap. Okay, Ocho, it's time to introduce our next guest. He's an Atlanta native, went to Westlake High School, won the Heisman Trophy at Auburn University. Let's put some hands together. Y'all know it. My nephew, Cal Newton Pudd. Hold on, hold on. I'm going to let y'all offend it, but this is my city, man.

ACL, what's good? Yeah. Do what you do, nephew. I'm home. I smell, uh, what, uh, black and miles and baccarat from the hot. Hi, baby. Good to see you. I'm good. Good, nephew.

You good? Yeah. What's happening? Yeah. Boy, you clean, you boy. You clean, you boy. Good, man. Y'all look good tonight. Yeah. Yeah. Cal!

Make yourself at home. Make yourself at home. You know, when you're playing football, you know what I'm talking about. When you make a play, you get to looking in the crowd. It's so dark out there, I can't really make eye contact with nobody. You know what I mean? But when you make a play, score a touchdown, you look in the crowd and be like, hey,

tight enough. Y'all saw that? Tight enough. What's good in the city? Everything. Everything. I don't even know the floor I just got here, man, but I'll tell you this in front of the people.

Appreciate you. Appreciate front of the people. Appreciate you. Appreciate that. No lie. Because where I'm at in my life, I look at you as a vessel of hope. And you give me the hope to be able to talk how I want to talk, dress how I want to dress, and speak my mind, and that Atlanta going to come out every single time.

Yeah, absolutely. So when people say or they have their opinions about me, I look at Shannon, Uncle Shannon, Uncle Shay as that person that said he's doing it, so why can't I? So thank you, bro. Appreciate that. Appreciate that. Go ahead.

We're good to see you, bro. Hi. Hey, I got to call you out on some shit, too, Ocho. Call him out. Don't what you do. Ocho been acting brand new, bro. You acting light-skinned, bro. You know what I'm saying?

You acting light-skinned. Me? You acting light-skinned. You getting some good manians over there, man. Some good who? Manian. Manian? What that mean?

Okay. Okay, let's play a game. What What that mean? Okay, let's play a game. What does that mean? Listen, we ain't never rehearsed this. On the count of three, what does Man Yan mean? One, two, three. Oh, yeah, I'm getting that. I'm getting that. I'm getting that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, listen. I'm getting it, I'm getting that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But listen, listen. I'm getting it, right? But I ain't spinning it. So ain't nothing changed. It's still coming in, but I'm still pretending like I'm broke. I swear for God. Because this shit ain't real.

That's cap. He capping, y'all. I ain't gonna lie to you. But this ain't real. But see, I told you, listen. See, you think. Well, you a good finesse, boy. I would have thought, if I ain't know any better, I That's cap. But see, I told you, listen. Cap. See, you think. Well, you a good finesser, boy. I would have thought, if I ain't know any better, I would have thought you were from Atlanta.

I would have thought. Because there's some chuggers, there's some finessers, there's some scammers. All we need is an opportunity and some time. Hold on, hold on, hold on. We'll talk our way out of anything. Speaking of that, I still be scamming now. Yeah. I ain't gonna lie to you.

I still. I know, because the lights hitting it, it look good, don't it? Yeah. Shit, this ain't just from the lab, nigga. Nah. You fix the cone, that fool's gone. Straight from the lab. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

Where did this Cam Newton? The Cam Newton with the hat, the bow ties, the ascots, the look every day. I asked this man, he did my podcast about three months ago. I said, Cam, you the look every day. I asked this man he did my podcast about three months ago. I said Cam you do this every day? He's like Unc, every day. I said hold on what if you're not going nowhere

important? Every day. Yeah. You tell me listen it's in you. It ain't on you. You see what I'm saying? Come on, man. When you got that expectation for yourself, and I'm open about, you know, every night I lay my clothes out.

Yeah. That's just if I got something to do. Now, if I'm going to my son's game, I still got to, you know what I'm saying? I got to step. I mean, I still got to, you know what I'm saying? You got to put on. I got to step. I mean, I ain't never played today. I played as me fight me, but other than that, I got to step. I'm talking about big boots, steel toe, porn star step.

So at the same time, when I'm dressing up, it's nothing that I don't feel like I could not make go. And then this is what they're going to say. But he doing too much. That's cool, baby. You just ain't doing enough. You see what I'm saying? While I'm going through my clothes and I'm saying oh that's gonna go with that that's gonna do it this never ever ever ever ever did it ever register in my mind to say today I'm just gonna

blend in right right oh I'm just gonna just be a backup dancer right oh I'm putting this together because somebody might like it I like it I don't give a damn what y'. Or I'm putting this together because somebody might like it. I like it. I don't give a damn what y'all like. I'm still waiting on a day that somebody dressed just like me on the same outfit. I was watching a Receiver documentary in Las Vegas. Devontae? Devontae Adams and Mad Max, Max Crosby, wore the same outfit.

Twice. Twice. He saw it. Two times. And Mad Max, Max Crosby wore the same outfit twice. He saw it. Two times. He was disappointed. He said twice. But when you're talking about clothes, it's so many clothes that exist for us to all say we're wear the same thing and I'm like bro just because you got money and your outfit is expensive that don't mean you got style come on now come on now it just it just don't

now you know you gotta just you gotta be able to put it on now let Let me just stop right there. Y'all go. You good. Listen. You, the thing about you is you're unique in everything that you do. Your style and your creativity is your vision and your eyes.

That's what separates you from everybody else and it's been that way for a very, very long time. So you can do it and you can get away with it because of the way

you carry yourself. Like you always say, it's not what's on you it's what's in you everybody can't do what cam newton do you have the confidence to be able to pull that shit off everybody got everybody else most of the time 90 of the time they gotta look like the mannequin they ain't got no choice they gotta look like the mannequin they just care too much they care what people think about. They just care too much. They care what people think about them. They just care too much. See, this is the thing.

When I pray to my God, as long as me and him good, what I got to... Please don't. I'm locked in with him. So, it's so many people that just they try to feel like I don't need nobody but you caring about how many

likes you got. I don't care. I don't care if you like it. I don't care if you comment but y'all need to go subscribe to my YouTube. But the reality of it all is like bro I've always idolized the thinking of these two individuals.

Old people and babies. Because they're going to keep it a buck with you. If your breath's stinking, oh, baby, come here real quick. Let me get you a peppermint. It's humming a little bit, honey. You know, if something is a defect with you, my son going to say, excuse me, sir, why you don't have, it's just in him. And he doesn't, we are taught to care. Once we unteach that from ourselves, that's the thing about life. We all are uniquely

our own version of our best selves. So why should somebody else dictate how you should do what you do? I know you heard what Brady said. Brady said the quarterback play has been subpar because they dumbed it down. What's Cam Newton's take? Because you know

if you'd have said that, it'd have been trending and they'd have been coming at you. He better give it up. Why he hating? This, that, and the third. Like, man, it's truth, but we pick and choose who we want to take advice from. True.

Hey. I'm going to let that marinate. It depends on, sometimes they hate the message depending on the messenger. So when I say what I say, it's how I feel. I've really been good at

football. God has blessed me to be good at football since the ovaries. You see what I'm saying? Yes. And at Wesley, I was good at football. Right. When I went to Florida, I was a five-star athlete. When I went to Juco,

I was a five-star athlete. When I went to Auburn, when I went to Auburn when I went to Auburn she didn't get it we ain't on the same Wi-Fi you were supposed to every single time

I said that you were supposed to work you did when I went to it's two pieces go on now and then when I went

to the NFL like bro like I've really been good at football for a long time so my insight and my take is something that is always in question. I'm like, how?

You know why. Tell me why. Here's the thing. Tell me why. The thing is what you do is that you tell it how you see it. Tom even said, he was on Stephen A's podcast, and he said he can't always be as honest as he would like to be because they have family.

And plus, Cam, let me tell you the reason why. When you do what Tom does, if you're too honest, they won't do press, they won't do production meetings with you. It's hard to get information and talk about what's going to happen if they don't sit down with you. Well, I'm glad you said that. this year you said across a person that said in 2024 the truth gonna be exposed so i don't care it's no right way and for anybody who has somebody going through

this i'm just trying to make a point here there's no right way to tell a person you got cancer. Right. The truth is the truth. And if you're telling me what I think and I know it to be the truth, I got to tell it how it is. I'm not going to sit up here. You want the job or not? What job? The job that's paying Tom Brady $37 million a year. You want that job? I want the truth.

Okay. Well, Cam, I'm going to be honest with you. You're not going to get that job. That's cool. I got to be honest with you. You're not going to get that job. That's cool. I got to be honest with you. Okay. Now, also be honest. It ain't a lot of us that's really getting that type of money in the first place.

What about $10 million? Huh? What about $10 million? It never was ever presented. Who's making that? But I'm saying, I mean, you know, Troy makes that kind of money. What you call him? They took his money down.

You got Greg Olson. He was making $10. In the intro. Hold on. You forgot Tony Romo. Oh, Tony Romo making $19. Making $17. $20. You forgot Tony Romo. Oh, Tony Romo making 19. Making 17. It's flying over y'all. I know what you said.

Well, say it then. Who is us? It's me. It's me. Because when I sit up here and I say this saying right here. I love the Buckhead Theater. This is really nice. But the truth of the matter is why I grew my

hair the way I grew my hair and the way I stand up for what I stand for it's like I want to impact not just bucket but bank head too yeah so when I look at the water boys giving me money and they sit up here telling me a bit bro help me out bit bro I'm gonna take the time to let them know you don't pass the seven to eight other cars just to get to my car. Now, if you was a real businessman, that five dollars or that two dollars or that eight dollars or that two dollars or that 50 cent would probably add it up to the same twenty dollars that you're trying to scruffle for me. And I'm the seventh car. But when I keep it a big buck oh Cam is bitter again and I'm like no Cam is just an individual

that has understood I know exactly who I am and I know exactly what you're trying to do I'm just not going to allow you to do that so you can make the money and still be who you are they just I heard a quote the other day that said you can make the money and still be who you are. They just, I heard a quote the other day that said, Keep it above. I'm trying to filter it because now you got me thinking. Everybody knows who they are. filter it because now you got me thinking. Everybody

knows who they are. But in any type of negotiation, they don't expect you to know who you are. Hold on, nigga. Hold on. Hold on. Now bring that to me again slow. Everybody knows who they are.

All right, stop right there. Okay, come on. But in any type of negotiation, they hope that you don't know who you are because if you know your worth you already know you're trying to give me three hundred thousand dollars to cover sports and i know i'm gonna bring a whole different outlook to it and i'm gonna make y'all ratings soar through the roof and do all this and do all that and you're still trying to play me, and it's hard to watch the person who you're paying more than me,

and you're trying to get, come on, bro. I'm good. That's what y'all... I got a question for you. When you hear people say, I know my value, or you hear people say,

I know my worth. So whatever you believe your worth of value is is only as good as what someone is willing to pay for it so what do you do when it comes to that knowing your worth and knowing your value but how do you get someone to buy into

what that is they're not used to seeing me in this space so this i'm saying so this is the thing this is why you impact and inspire me so much see the espn shannon sharp is a whole different shannon sharp than what you see on club shea shea and definitely from nightcap and then let me get there yeah let me i'm trying, bro. I'm just trying to drive. You know what I mean?

You feel me? You know what I mean? I'm trying to drive, and that person is extremely different. Yes. Sitting from blue screen to blue screen with Chad Martavius Johnson. Ocho.

No. You feel what I'm saying yeah for sure like those three people are different yeah so for me I've mimicked to the best of

I know I know how so I see okay Funky Friday is Club Shea Shea okay right

yeah you got Nightcap what me and my dog Peggy do on fourth and one that's nightcap okay i just ain't got no espn deal yet but see that's my see that's where you gotta have to pivot remember what i said no but no no no no no no no listen linda you don't want to be on tv no you don't want to be on TV. No. You don't want to be on TV. No, no, no, no, no, no. See, this is the thing.

Okay. I'll put it like this. So when I do my stream, I just been streaming within the last 30 days. Right. I beat you to that. But bro, I stream and there's 30,000 people watching my stream. Yes. So I'm going to dumb it down again for you.

Like you asked, like knowing your value, it's not that I don't know. It's just I haven't been able to prove to y'all I know who I am. I know who he is too, man. Just trust and believe. Once that volume of content gets the three to five times a week. Hold on. We talked about that, didn't we? Come on, now.

We talked about that. I'm trying to tell you it's a plan. It's a means to the madness. I'm trying to tell you it's a plan it's a means to the madness I'm not you can't treat me like a backup singer when it's giving Justin Timberlake you know I'm saying it's giving Beyonce knows you dig it's giving David Ruffin I'm like you see what I'm saying yeah and. And when you talk like that, they be like, see, there you go. He trying to be. But listen, I never wanted to blend in.

Right. I know who I am. And I know how to connect with people. See, the thing that they don't want to tell you is I got a degree. You see what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Like, sociology is something that the study of people, like I really am intrigued.

So when I'm talking to a person, I'm really trying to get into understanding that person. See, I don't go off all the branches of the tree, even though they may be green, they be red, or burgundy, or orange. Oh, that's cool. I want to get to the root. But that's a skill. So you have to the root, but that's a skill.

So you have to look at the Dan Patrick's of the world. You have to look at the Oprah Winfrey's of the world. You have to look at the David Letterman's of the world, the Shannon Sharpe's of the world and take all these different styles of, of, of the art of conversating and apply it to your own. Because now, for me, I've always tried to be the modern-day Arsenio Hall. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And just bringing it with a twist. So I look at streaming now, where I have 30-plus thousand people

in a two- to three-hour span, and I'm saying, like, yo, all this is is a radio show. Yeah. hour span and I'm saying like yo all this is is a radio show yeah but you when you look at it like that it's like okay I have a more direct to consumer yeah body of work rather than that so once whoever it doesn't matter what platform sees the value in that? We'll cut the check then. I heard you saw you, you said it, and I want to know what your thinking was. You said you were disappointed that your former coach was there when you got there. Y'all came in together, if I'm not mistaken, Ron Rivera, didn't call you when he was in Washington.

Why did that upset you so much? That was my dog. Like, we've been through so much. I always hear his voice in my head. Yeah, kiddo. You know, man, this, that, like. I say this respectfully. He raised me, and I raised him

he was a rookie head coach I was a rookie player I was not going to allow him to fail in Carolina not under my watch because there's the oath and as it's it's just in us as athletes that when somebody takes a chance on you, no matter what round it is, you feel obligated to give. Because no matter what you want to say, they've allowed you the opportunity to take care of your bloodline. So, when what was happening, or what had happened in Carolina with me and Coach Rivera, we had numerous talks and discussions about the game of football and about life. So, when I was going through the transition of being out of Carolina, I was like, yo, I was damn coach. And it wasn't just him. See, that's the thing I can't blame a head coach because he

may not have picking power but Marty Herney the same thing he was he drafted me right he was in DC and he said no it's I'm gonna take it a step further. The head trainer that they had, Ryan Vermillion, was there. Nobody. So me going through this whole resurgence, like, yo, like, damn. I kept asking my agent. I'm like, yo, they ain't called? Washington ain't called? I don't know what's going on.

So maybe you weren't as close as you previously thought man I'm an action person bro I'm an action person and I teach my children this man I could tell you anything but if I don't prove on a day to day basis that I love what I showed you that don't mean nothing to me

have you had a conversation with him have you spoken to him no sir it's not no beef. And I don't want nobody to kind of take what I'm saying is that I'm angry. Because there was a business decision that has to be made. And I knew I was coming off a shoulder injury. It's that.

That's all it was. That was like for me to just say, hey, kiddo, how you doing? Hey, how you feeling, though? Let's come up here for a physical. Let me really do a deep dive. That's the relationship we had. And it was the things. And I told Coach Rivera, I was like, yo, this was in Carolina.

I was like, in any short yardage situation, Coach, give me the fucking ball. Is that why it hurts so much, Cam? Because if you think about it, Cam, a lot of them damn injuries came because you stood on that hill and you fell on that sword. And you say, man, look here, after everything that I've done,

at least bring your boy in. Give me a look over and see if I'm a good fit. Bro, I'll give you a golden nugget, bro. And I put this on Hattie Lou Newton. That's my heavenly angel or that's my earthly angel. That's my grandmother. The biggest misconception about Cam Newton was that he took a lot of hits.

I didn't take a lot of hits. I delivered a lot of hits. That's not the point though. Anytime you see me hitting somebody, I knew I was going to win that battle. Me too. As a quarterback. As a quarterback, we

have the opportunity to slide. I slid. That's not how I. Right. I slid. That's not how I got hurt. I got hurt, and I'm keeping a big buck. I got hurt in the year 2016. That year, the year before we went to the Super Bowl. Correct.

I caught so much flat, so much, and rightfully so still to this day. Cam, why didn't you jump on the phone right it was an effort thing because that's what my dad taught me he didn't teach me skill he just taught me effort god give you that he ain't gonna he not gonna beat you that that's f that's the mentality that's something that's just engraved in you at a young age it's like i don't care how are. I don't give a damn how fast you are. You're just not better than me, bro. That lion mentality.

That's what my dad taught me. And that clip, that viral clip that people see, like Cam not jumping on a fumble, that was pussy. And my dad didn't teach me that. So I was disappointed. The following year, we was playing the San Diego Chargers, not the L.A. Chargers, the San Diego Chargers. It was a contentious play, but it was an interception.

And the effort in me said, I have to go make this tackle. This is not in the pocket. This is not me running the football. This is not me. Other than saying, it was triggering, okay, let me show the world, right, that I'm really going to make a tackle. The guy, it was just me and the DB,

and he had a person, but I was trying to push him to the sideline. What happened was, when I was trying to push him to the sideline. Right. What happened was when I was trying to push him to his sideline, my arm had extended. Ah. And I fell on my own. That's where I. Subluxed your shoulder.

My shoulder. When I got up, I was like, hold up. I thought, because Melvin Ingram. Mm-hmm. Mel. Mel. No. Yeah. He was. Melvin. He was. Linebackgram. Mel. No. Yeah. He was.

He was. Linebacker. Yes. He was blocking me. And that's my dog. We gambled. You know what I'm saying? Every time he come to Atlanta, he had to.

My brother's good friend was his account, like account of CPA or money man, whatever. So I was very familiar and i was like bro after the play they were celebrating i was like dog you damn you my shoulder like i felt it instantly but i'll go back to it it wasn't in the pocket i wasn't running this was me in my mind saying to myself i have to go make this tackle in any any other situation, I would have just said, you know what, bro? Hell with it. It is what it is. But that play is the reason

why my career went downhill after that. And nobody really knew. It was like Cam after injury. The J.J. Watt or the T.J. Watt hit, that didn't make it any better either. But it was on that same shoulder that it wasn't in a pocket.

It wasn't me running. It was an effort play. And this is the thing. It got called back. You got injured on a play It didn't even count. So the moral of the story is, don't give a damn what a person may think, because if you think too much about it, shit, it'll just fuck your whole life up in the first place.

So that's where I was. So when anybody says the things about it, it's like, bro, it's documented. Well, you can go back, and I can tell you the play. Lovely. I'm going to tell you why. New England's experience made me the businessman that I am today. Because everything is a business there.

It ain't nothing but business. At all. It ain't no friendship. It ain't no love. It ain't personal. It ain't no friendship. It ain't no love. It ain't no commitment. Oh, you was there too. Top to bottom. Straight business.

Tom Brady left. Coach Belichick left. It's business. But no, it's different though. It's the real thing when they say the Patriot way. And this is the thing about Coach Belichick that we know, but to experience it firsthand, I felt like I was in a 365-day internship.

It really wasn't 365. It was like I was there. I was like a lab rat. They wanted to see if it was going to work. It didn't work. But it was just like, yo, what I learned there, my challenge every morning was trying to beat Belichick into work. Right? And then when he was going on his treadmill, he would still be walking and he would still be watching film.

He would have that iconic yellow pencil still taking notes. I would see how he would bring different emotions out. And he was a teacher of the game see that's the thing that people don't understand about people in positions of pastors coaches teachers or anybody you're still a teacher teach he taught the game find myself in a couple team meeting rooms that bro he really had if he had to give an almanac of how many players that he coached we were watching in modern day was that 2020 we was watching lawrence taylor film like he's it he's that type of person like he showed john elway film just to be able to appreciate where the game has come from and i appreciated that so I'm not gonna let nobody say man

Yeah, New England was a while like no, bro How I run my business now and anybody knows who work alongside me? No, bro. It's all about accountability This is right foot what you Chad I fuck what you uh, but it's like if you're not doing what you're supposed to do Yeah you're supposed to do is yeah hey we can be we can be friends we still be friends but he's heard me say this on nightcap yeah it's a simple way to do things we don't get it done we got got accountability. We go on vacation. We go on vacation. Now,

you don't want to work on it. That time, that time, Frank, that's fine. I'll find somebody that will. For sure. And guess what?

Everybody want to work on that. Like real talk. Like you, I've never, see, this is the thing too, when you're talking about being great, sometimes you have to understand being great is boring.

It is. It's very monotonous. It's like every day I got to wake up. Same thing. Every day I got to go to work. Every day I got to wake up. Every day I got to go to work. Every day I got to wake up.

Every day I got to go to work. Every day I got to wake up. Every day I got to go. And it's like, hey. But if I would have kept going for 10 minutes, everybody would have be like, man, all right, bro, we get it. But that's that's what being great is. It's like every single day. So you can't sit up there and do any shortcuts to the top. But the thing when you think about anybody great that has ever did anything and sustain their greatness.

Oh, for sure. Let's say Jordan ah that's not a good example for what I'm about to say yeah Tiger Serena um I would say Peyton um Brady no not not for this point. Okay. I wouldn't say LeBron for this, but anybody great, let's say Michael Jackson. They had a person to direct them whether they wanted to do it or not. Or do you talk about the driving force of their dad? Their father, their family, they understood. Serena, daddy, I don't want to go serve that man. Listen, baby, I got plans for us to get

out of Compton, and it's going to take you swinging this racket. Make sense to you? Tiger was a phenom at five. Daddy, I don't want to hit plus today. Baby, I got a plan to get us up out of California. Yep.

And it's going to take you par. Yeah. You still going to say it? Cam, par. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles,

break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain. This is the struggle.

This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength that's inside of us all.

So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on good company.

The podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next. In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content, the term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media,

marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide and hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir? No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second.

I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafak, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran-Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see. Muhammad Ali was never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly and stays true to form in Ali and Me, an eight-part Audible original. Guided by his own words, this series explores Ali's life and legacy through never-before-heard audio recordings and discussions with those who knew him best. Muhammad had this real sense of his own personal values and principles, things he believed in, his own sense of conviction. Those convictions never wavered. Hosted by Muhammad's wife, Lani Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster, John Ramsey, Ali and Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply into Ali's extraordinary life through conversations with Billy Crystal, Mike Tyson, Rosie Perez, Common, Will Smith,

and Bob Costas. It created a North Star for me of how I want to be in the world, you know. As a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime. Listen to Ali and Me me now on Audible. Cam, you had a viral moment, and we'll get you out of this. You've been doing these camps probably since you... Before you, you and your dad have been putting on these campss and I remember calling your dad and your dad probably told you

I said no I ain't doing that no more because your dad went to Savannah State his dad's a couple years older than me went to Savannah State I said man I'm telling my cam he's like man cam love them kids man cam they gonna give that up

have you done anything different? What have you learned from that situation that happened? Exactly. It got handled, you know what I'm saying? No, no, no, no, no. I ain't going to do that. I ain't going to do that. No, but check this out, though.

Those weren't kids. Yes. Those were grown men. And even with that, we had history. See, that's what people don't understand. So they coached with you before? They was under my program. Oh, okay.

So when things spiraled, and I'm like, bro, you know me, but you ain't never really seen that side. They didn't know that side. They'd never seen that. They see the laughing and the happy go loving. But I'm saying when I flip that switch, we gonna move some fucking furniture in here. And it's gonna take a lot of people to come get me up off you. That's just the reality of it. But I was disappointed at how he was coming at me. And I didn't see the other person who also was under my program that I was like, bro, what's happening here? You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't about the kids. Because anybody who knows me understands, I can't stop.

Because when I stop, I may appease to Buckhead. But what about Bankhead? These kids have to understand. Because when I grew up, Pac-Man, Amar Carroll, Batman, these guys was the only people that I saw come from where I came from that made it to the league. Eric Berry was a person who was in the same trajectory. I'm like, bro, this is my way out. I've never seen where I'm from a doctor ride around in a Rolls Royce.

Right. Pac-Man came to my school in a Rolls Royce. So I'm like, what does he do? Oh, he play football? Bet. I seen some other Rolls Royces, and we're not going to tell you what the profession that they did. And me growing up in church, I was like, you got to do what? Nah, I do that. But that is what was the whole thing.

So my whole allegiance of who I am as a person, say what you want, but I'm going to be out there with them kids. I have to, because when I was growing up in Atlanta, and still to this day, say this with all due respect, but Michael Vick was a god to me. Yeah. You still live in Atlanta. No, not like, no.

You don't know Baby D. You don't know Michael Vick. I know Michael Vick. I literally Michael Vick I literally and I told Vick this I was like bro I spent my last 50 cent my we had 50 cent and it was 10 cent for lunch my mama would give me 50 cent to get at the lunch lady right I spent my last. I didn't eat for a week because of the book fair. It costs 50 cents to get his poster. So I had to finesse my way to eat. But I could finesse. But they had like cybersecurity at that. You know, you can finesse that poster. I spent my last 50 cents on that Michael Vick poster. And I would see every day, visualizing myself to how that, and for him to be in Atlanta, if he would have threw a camp, if he would have made himself accessible, not to say he didn't.

I just never had that opportunity to touch a person. But just to be around a person and to ask real questions, that's needed. And for the people who do give back, giving back and philanthropy comes in many different forms. Mine is being with these kids and when they ask questions like, man, coach, like man Colt what's the first thing you bought like real talk like man twin Colt hey you ever been to Magic City what the more money you ever spent

in there or spent in there like that's what spent you know it's the lingo you know what I'm saying but it's one of them things that That's it. Spank. It's the lingo. You know what I'm saying? But it's one of them things that I can't, I don't know nobody that's doing what I'm doing. And if you are, man, my hat goes off to you.

I spend a lot of money. If I were to take this business plan and gave it to my financial advisor, he would have been like, bro, what are you doing? You're losing too much money on something that you're not getting back. It's like a return on your investment. You're not getting no ROI. Right. No, but what I am getting is like every person who's came through the C1N Cam Newton Foundation,

they know, bro, I seen Cam there. Like, bro, he ride his Ferrari, his Lamborghini, his Rolls Royce, his family van. He ride all his old schools. Coach, why do you do that? Because I want y'all, I know what y'all boys like. I got to look like it for y'all. Because you ain't got to rob and steal and sell drugs, bro. You ain't got to do that. You can have a podcast. That's it. Like me. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? So it's so much purpose in me. And so for somebody to say what they want to say, it's like, bro, you ain't from where I'm from, bro.

Because if you was, you would understand, bro. There's some trenches out here. And these kids, they got no hope. So for you to see that, for you to give them that, that's of its utmost importance for the growth of our ecosystem. Thank you. I like it. Ladies and gentlemen, your very own Atlanta native, Cam Newton.

Thank you guys. Give it up for Cam Newton. Man, I've been waiting on this segment all night. Okay. Roe wants to help couples have great sex. Sometimes that means using Roe Sparks, their fast-acting ED treatment that dissolves under your tongue. But sometimes it means asking your partner the right questions.

So what we're gonna do is a little game called sex or next. So ladies, Ochoa and I want you to know that it's your turn on men. So if you have some sexy ideas, step up to these mics and we will grade those ideas. We'll say sex or next so ladies I think we got them lined up to the mic single file line give us your best ideas what you do to entice your mate to let's get busy where the bikes where are they hold on what's wrong with you okay there's the mic. Okay. We got the ladies? Okay, okay. Somebody's up here.

Can you see up there with y'all? Huh? Okay. Ladies, come on. Step to the mic. What y'all do to get to a, you know? Everybody, oh, they shy. Y'all scared?

It's cold as hell in here. Shit. Hey, I want your amen. Take the red pill. Oh, she's stepping to the mic? You stepping? Okay, okay, okay, okay. They call it sparks for a reason.

Not fire from them. I ain't had to spite about you. All right, let's go. Let's go. All right, this coming from the Mod Squad, so we had to get out here. Okay. All right, this is Michonne. And Dr. Frankie, I had to do the dare. Okay.

So we call this Ice Cream Sunday. Ooh. Look at Ocho. Look how you looking. Ocho, I know you're going to like this. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.

I need a pen. I need a pen and paper. Just get your phone and press voice record. Go ahead. I'm listening. What you're going to do, you're going to take the whipped cream, put it around. Oh, I use that. I use that too.

Put a little Hershey's syrup on it. And then you're going to put the cherry on top. And then you're going to let your mouth do what it do. Damn! Okay. Sex! Sex! Sex. Sex. top and then you're gonna let your mouth do what it do okay sex sex sex sex but we got it oh we got to get you there though man yeah because long time ago I told you about using a whipped cream you were like nah I ain't doing it I ain't doing I don't do that but see you was talking about putting the whipped cream

somewhere else yes they do all that. Yes, she did. You've been doing too much. No, hold up. Where do you think the cherry goes? She talked about the cherry. The cherry sit on the goddamn. The cherry on top.

He had one of them on Rose Park, so it's on top. Oh. Oh, I was thinking about. Yeah, you know. Okay, okay, okay. I was thinking about that. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. I would think about that. Yeah See I told you I'll be doing too much I mean, I mean you I'm a user. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that was a good one there. Oh

They're top. Okay. Come on. Come on Okay Okay. Okay. Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You got the car for them. Yeah. And you know what they eat and don't eat. Right.

And what we doing after? Ooh, what'd you think, Ocho? Next. Next. Okay. Get that shit out of here, man. What the fuck you talking about, man? Boy, hey, the women were quick with that.

They're like, next. I mean, it was cute. Hey, she set me up. It was cute. She set me up. It was cute. It was thoughtful, but come on. That shit ain't finna work in 2024. Next. All right. We got one right here, Ocho. Black hat.

Black hat. Okay. I'm going to speak for the ladies and the men, okay? Okay. All right. So, y'all, is there like a code red or I can't speak too provocative? You ain't never seen our show. Yeah. We grown up in here.

We grown up in here. Okay, okay. Provocative. So, if you a lady, right? Yeah. And you like anal, please raise your hand. Woo! Lord!

Oh, they shy. They shy. They shy. They shy. like anal please raise your hand I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. I told you. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Come on. Come on. I see no. But I see no ladies.

Yeah. Go ahead. I'm listening. But I see no hands. I see no hands. I'm so upset again. If you're a lady and you like anal, raise your hand. Nobody?

You ain't by yourself. You ain't by yourself. I know you ain't by yourself. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. Okay. So the name of the segment is?

Sex or Next. Okay. There's no ladies. So I'm going to speak for the men. Okay. Come on. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want to hear the lady one. Go do the lady one. Go ahead. But I have no. There's nobody. Don't I'm going to speak for the men. Okay, come on. No, no, no, no, no, no. I want to hear the lady one.

Go do the lady one. Go ahead. But I have no... Go ahead. Don't worry about them. They shy. You know how black folk is. Yeah, yeah.

You real. Yeah, yeah. I'm really liking you. I'm digging you. But I have no ladies to stand for me. Ladies, come on. What am I doing? Okay, okay. I have a lady. Okay. Come on Yeah, thank you, thank you

Okay, so I'm gonna speak for the ladies in the man. Okay, so when you are I'm gonna speak like I say, I'm gonna speak for the me and the ladies So when you are giving anal. Okay. Right? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. How do we get to the anal part first?

How do we start? You got to take me to the start. Yeah. How do we coach that out of you? Yeah. I need instructions. Yeah. I mean, there's different ways.

We can do spit. We can do lube. Spit. Yeah. Talk to it. I got to talk to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.'s a thing. Yeah. Talk to it. I guess talk to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. Listen, let me get to it. Okay. Hey, do we got to, I mean, do we got to like promise you something? We got to promise you a bracelet, a necklace, money, a trip? You know, when a lady like. Hey, Shelly, give me my bag.

When a lady like, when a lady like, she like, what do you like? Okay, so, when a man is giving anal... Okay, okay. When a lady is getting anal... Uh-huh. So, you know, everybody don't like anal like that, but you know... Yes! But, but, but, hold on, hold on, hold on.

But no, listen, listen, listen, listen. Oh, hold on. Listen. Hold on, hold on, she gonna help you. Let her help you. She gonna help you. It's not always easy. So when you getting anal, it's always easier when there's something on the click.

Right. Okay. Right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. So you can tell the difference between getting and giving anal when there's something on the click. Yes or no? Yes or no?

Yes or no? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know the difference between just giving anal and the between... Now y'all, now they wanna talk! Now they wanna talk! Now y'all, now they want to talk. Now they want to talk. Now y'all know.

Now y'all know. You going to help her? Now y'all know. Now, now. Okay, hold on. Let her help you.

She got, come on. Excuse, what's your name? What's your name? My name is Lyric. I have a sex podcast called Coochie Cocktails.

Oh, Coochie. And I specialize in it. So, honestly, I consider myself a sexpert. And I don't know. I like anal, but I feel like when you stimulate the clit, you know it's easier when you relax so the booty hole open up.

Or you can get something called... You can go to Tokyo Valentino, and there's a thing called Rush. And if you smell it Wait, wait, wait. What is it called? It's called Rush. Where you get it? What's the website? Tokyo Valentino up the street. Hold on. Let me type. Hold on. Write this down.

Right up the street. How close? Seven minutes. What time they close? They're 24 hours and they got a sex club at the bottom. Oh, bitch. What? They do. Hold on. They got a glory hole in there? They're 24 hours and they got a sex club at the bottom. Oh, bitch. What? They do. Hold up. They got a glory hole in there?

They do. Oh! Bye. Why are we still sitting here? Did you hear what she said? 24-hour sex club glory hole. Why you trying to get me in trouble, boy? Oh, I don't know what to tell you.

Didn't Cam say he can't worry about what nobody else say? I came here by myself. But guys, no, listen. We didn't get the sex or not because I didn't... Sex, sex, sex. Sex. Sex, sex, sex. Yeah, yeah, sex.

We got anybody else up top? Hey, what was the name of your show? What? Coochie, coochie what? Coochie Cocktail. Coochie Cocktail. Coochie Cocktail. I'm going to subscribe. For sure. Coochie cocktail I'll be I'm a subscribe

For sure you gotta you got a subscriber you got a friend Law have mercy. Hello. What's the name of the place? Who's your cock? Oh, I don't know What she said coochie cocktail. I love I went blank Tokyo What she said, coochie cocktail, I lost. I went blank. Tokyo. Tokyo what? Tokyo Valentino? 24 hours? Oh, you know about it, huh?

Hit up, huh? Several minutes away. It ain't no traffic. Might be fire, Ocho. Don't worry about it. I'm going to stock up right after this. How y'all doing tonight? Y'all good? Y'all enjoying this show so far?

Okay, you got something, my man? Yeah, I got something for you. I got something for you. All right, so this is for self-pleasure. So I'm gonna teach you. I already don't go in my bag of tricks, but if you sit on your hands, wait for them to get numb, and beat your your meat and feel like somebody else doing it. What a coochie.

Hey, Jordan. I put y'all on game now. That one of them is secret. Get up to the coochie cocktail later. I done forgot her, babe. Come on, let me get a bottle. Like, that was a good joke. That was a good one.

That was a good one. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Oh, Joe. Pass her. Yeah. Right here in the front row.

Right there. Yeah. All right. We got anybody else up top? Yeah, I got something to say. Okay, come on. Say it. I said for the Cy cocktail lady hey baby

make sure you take your shower and the brothers that's in there too make sure you clean it real good yeah can I say one more thing because I didn't really want you can say as much as you want okay so a lot of women are in here and and I want to give a dick-sucking tip. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait, wait. A visual. Visual? Are you visual?

A visual? Yeah, my man in here. I don't mind. Oh, well, come on, come on, come on. No? You said a man in here? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he in here.

He love y'all, so I came to support. Okay, well, thank you. But no, my tip is for all the women that have a hard time deep throating, if you put your left thumb, it has to be your left, but you put your left thumb in your palm and you squeeze it, your gag reflex deactivates, so you can put it all the way down there. Wait a minute. You capping.

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Try it and see. Wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Try it and see. Wait. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I learned this from my dentist. Hey, can you hear me? I can. What's your name again? Lyrics. I need you to

say that while I re-voice record it so I can send it to Rel. Alright, you ready? Not Rel, bro. Hold on. Hold on. Don't send it to Rel, Ocho. Shit. You Not Rel, bro. Hold on, hold on. Don't send it to Rel, Ocho. Shit. You ready? Okay, say it again. Go ahead.

When you are giving head and you have a gag reflex, put your left thumb and your left hand and squeeze, and your gag reflex will deactivate, and it'll go all the way down to your throat. Just immediately goes away. And that's a tip from me to y'all. Coochie Cocktails, y'all. Yeah, go subscribe to that podcast.

I like it. I like it. Okay, ladies and gentlemen, our last guest of the night. I have one more. I got one more. I got one more. I got one more. Jordan, we got to go.

We got to go, Jordan. Made for This Mountain is a podcast that exists to empower listeners to rise above their struggles, break free from the chains of trauma, and silence the negative voices that have kept them small. Through raw conversations, real stories, and actionable guidance, you can learn to face the mountain that is in front of you. You will never be able to change or grow through the thing that you refuse to identify. The thing that you refuse to say, hey, this is my mountain.

This is the struggle. This is the thing that's in front of me. You can't make that mountain move without actually diving into that. May is Mental Health Awareness Month, a time to conquer the things that once felt impossible and step boldly into the best version of yourself to awaken the unstoppable strength

that's inside of us all. So tune into the podcast, focus on your emotional well-being, and climb your personal mountain. Because it's impossible for you to be the most authentic you. It's impossible for you to love you fully if all you're doing is living to please people. Your mountain is that. Listen to Made for This Mountain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Michael Kassin, founder and CEO of 3C Ventures and your guide on Good Company, the podcast where I sit down with the boldest innovators shaping what's next.

In this episode, I'm joined by Anjali Sood, CEO of Tubi, for a conversation that's anything but ordinary. We dive into the competitive world of streaming, how she's turning so-called niche into mainstream gold, connecting audiences with stories that truly make them feel seen. What others dismiss as niche, we embrace as core. It's this idea that there are so many stories out there, and if you can find a way to curate and help the right person discover the right content.

The term that we always hear from our audience is that they feel seen. Get a front row seat to where media, marketing, technology, entertainment, and sports collide. And hear how leaders like Anjali are carving out space and shaking things up a bit in the most crowded of markets. Listen to Good Company on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In the fall of 1986, Ronald Reagan found himself at the center of a massive scandal that looked like it might bring down his presidency. Did you make a mistake in sending arms to Tehran, sir?

No. It became known as the Iran-Contra affair. And I'm not taking any more questions in just a second. I'm going to ask... I'm Leon Nafok, co-creator of Slow Burn. In my podcast, Fiasco, Iran Contra, you'll hear all the unbelievable details of a scandal that captivated the nation nearly 40 years ago, but which few of us still remember today. The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you.

Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, your hands can't hit what your eyes can't see. Muhammad Ali was never afraid to express himself loudly and boldly and stays true to form in Ali and Me, an eight-part Audible original.

Guided by his own words, this series explores Ali's life and legacy through never-before-heard audio recordings and discussions with those who knew him best. Muhammad had this real sense of his own personal values and principles, things he believed in, his own sense of conviction. Those convictions never wavered.

Hosted by Muhammad's wife, Lani Ali, and his close friend, award-winning broadcaster, John Ramsey, Ali and Me goes beyond the boxing ring to delve deeply

into Ali's extraordinary life through conversations with Billy Crystal, Mike Tyson, Rosie Perez, Common, Will Smith, and Bob Costas. It created a North Star for me of how I want to be in the world, you know. As a child, as a young person, he gave credence to my audacity. There's no debate that this is the greatest global sports figure of our lifetime. Listen to Ali and me now on Audible. Our last guest of the night, guys, he really doesn't need any introduction. You've heard me mention him on several occasions.

He was the guy that raised me. He was the guy that I wanted to be the most like. My brother, Sterling Sharp. That's what we do. Yo, y'all can hear me? Do me a favor, man. Please give Sterling, man, another round of applause. Please, man. Real shit. Legend. Legend.

Legend. Legend. I was a big fan of the show. Oh. I was a big fan of the show. With my, I was a real big fan of the show until I had to follow the discussion about Angel. My religion wanted me to be around people bad,

but I'm glad to be here do you realize I grew up with him but tonight was the first time I met him yeah yeah and I've always been a big fan and we say that a lot but you know guys that have a passion for what they do. It ain't about money. It's not about cars or diamonds, although we have them. I enjoyed watching you play and do what you did. Now, the antics I probably could have did without, but I really did enjoy you as a player. I really appreciate the way you play.

Thank you. I appreciate that coming coming from and this is this is one of the things if you if you for those of you that watch when i played obviously i was vilified through the mainstream media because of my style of play with the antics and having the fun but to get the credit from my peers and those that came before me you don't know how much that means definitely one of the best ever thank you means. Definitely one of the best to ever do. Thank you, I appreciate it. Definitely one of the best to ever do. A lot of times people ask us, ask me, they ask you, man, how much of what you'll say,

how much of what your brothers say about your grandparents, what your grandfather said, what your grandmother said, how much of what he's saying did they actually say? I'm going to do it this way. For those of you who have grown up in a I'm gonna say a black church you know uh when they talk about Christians and Jesus the shepherd and the sheep smell alike whatever he says he got it from somewhere he didn't come up with it on his own. So when he says, my grandma used to say, doesn't so, she actually did say it. When he said, you know, my grandfather used to say this, definitely used to say it.

So Cam and I had a moment backstage, and I was sitting in the audience listening to Cam and he said something that I've been saying for years that I never thought anybody heard, but obviously he felt the same way. And if you look at Tiger Woods and Venus and Serena and Shannon Sharp and Sterling Sharp, and I don't know Chad's background, so I gonna leave him out but the successful people that came from nowhere were told what to do. What does Richard Williams know about playing tennis? But we have Venus and Serena. What in the world did Earl Woods ever know about playing golf? But he gave us Tiger Woods. I will say this. My brother and I have never had a fight. Now, he used to cheat, and I used to beat him down, but we never had a fight. The only time

my brother told me what he wasn't going to do was that he wasn't going to go to Savannah State College. And I said, that's good, because I'm on the way. I'm leaving Columbia. I was in school in South Carolina. I'm leaving. Bro, you're not going to the Army. That's not going to happen. The only time he and I ever had a disagreement,

I have never in my 59 years on this earth tried to be his father. But we were always taught that if you have to look past your own dinner table to find a role model, there's something going on in your home. I only wanted him. Bobby Dandridge. His nickname was Mr. Clutch. We had Franco Harris and Tony Dorsett. I wanted him to look at his own dinner table and be like, remember, it's the shepherd and the sheep thing. I never told him what to do. I never tried to instruct him. I never led him.

I lived my life. But the wonderful thing, and for those of you who have kids, you know this, the wonderful thing is he was watching. And I am so proud. I'm proud of that guy right there because I'm proud of Chad because the perception, the persona, and who he really is, is actually two totally different people. You don't realize how hard it is for him to come out here and do that. That ain't who he is. That is not who he is. I'm ruining it for you. And for him, he didn't go through anything he's led by us by a

higher power that put him where he wanted to be and what he went through on TV he needed to go through that so he could get here and sometimes many many times in a family you go through things that are hurtful. But he had to go through that to get to here. And he had to be here to get him. And those two together are doing some really good stuff. They're fun to watch. They talk about really good things.

Not the anal part. But they talk about really good things. Not the anal part. But they talk about really good things, and I'm very proud of both of them. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Appreciate it. You remember the time we was washing Popeye's truck? Yeah.

Which one? The black and white one. The black and white one. Yeah. And we came up, and we did a half-tail job. And he said, anything is better than nothing. But what did he tell us after that? Well, the thing about doing a half-assed job is it doesn't take any more energy or an ounce of care to do it right.

And we always learned that I'm going to do our job, play football, be a host or have a podcast. I'm going to do that job better than anyone else does anything else. When you have that passion because of how we grew up. Can I tell you this quick story? Sure. Me and this guy were junior deacons and used to lead devotional service i told y'all the junior deacon i'm supposed to be preaching i used to say i used to say now let's go down in prayer with brother shannon shark and brother shark would get on his knees and let it out so it's it's so amazing to be here but it's so far from how we grew up

and what we did Chad is crazy because the thing is is we were taught we never had an opinion. We were never asked what we liked, what we wanted, what we wished for. We were always given an opinion. We never were asked what you want for Christmas. This is what you got. I think we were the only family that got, for Christmas, we got five pair of the same jeans. He and I, one year growing up, our moms for Christmas bought us white suits like we were

John Travolta. But it was so much fun because we didn't know any better. It was what we had. I had him. He had me. Now, the only only fights he was my brother and I'm the only one who could hit him and there was only one time that I almost got in a fight over him do you remember that what's the guy's name Danny Danny Doggett on the bus I kept hearing my brother go quit Danny stop Danny quit Danny I was up at the. So I jumped up and I went back there and I said, do it again. There was no, I need to keep talking to him. Just do it again. But my brother used to, he couldn't beat me.

Now, he would lie and tell you that he has. My brother has never beaten me if the game's to five I would let him score so we could keep playing he would score and run in the house and be like oh my god I beat that old joke I can't believe it and because of that I had to go and beat him down because he cheated but you know we both have families have kids and I just I don't get a chance to do this often because I stay as far away from the public as possible as a football player I never talked to the media although I ended up in media for 21 years I just never never felt comfortable doing it, never wanted to.

And it was part of who I was. But my brother never followed me around. I followed him. The only time in my athletic career I ever been reprimanded was by him. I was in the 10th grade, and he came up to the fence. We were playing Southeast Bulletin. We had never beaten, and he goes, what's the matter, are you scared?

Only time I'd ever been reprimanded, I was a starting quarterback, only time I'd ever been reprimanded as an athlete was reprimanded by him. We both have kids. We both have families. I believe this with all my heart. Our love for each other probably supersedes that than our kids

because of what we've been through. I mean, there's only one person in my life that I know exactly what he went through to get here. And he cried when I told him I would never play another down in the NFL he cried I was actually kind of happy but he cried and I will say you know that if you've seen his hall of fame speech he said that he was the only player in the hall of Fame that could say this, that he was the second best player in his own family. That was true, by the way.

But no, I really do. I don't know Chad and I've never crossed paths with Chad and it was really nice. The thing was when he saw me he made me feel like we had known each other for years. I knew how uncomfortable he was having to come out here and do this. I don't see my

brother nowhere nearly enough. When he said he was doing this I had to be here because I paid for a hat. three hats actually, for your guys. I bought them hats. So I paid the $38 for the swag out front. Don't ask me why, but that's love because I really do love and care about him. And I want to say this.

I'm very proud of you man. I am really proud of the I'm proud of the guy you are man. I am. I'm really proud of you. We love y'all. Thank you. Guys when I say this in all sincerity

the only person I ever wanted to be in my life was this man he was everything I wanted to be it upsets, I wish my sister today is my sister 64th wait a minute I'm 59 she's 5 years older than me no she's 65

64, 5 and 9 she's he can't spell it you can't add so y'all 65. 64. Five and nine. He can't spell and you can't add. So y'all go free. But here's what's funny. He can't spell, I can't add and we still sitting in the same spot.

So you ain't better than us. She would get so upset because he got a shirt that had Mr. Clutch on the back I wouldn't got a shirt that said Mr. Clutch on the back we dressed and people laugh tell them about my college girlfriend

and your first college girlfriend looked identical no you don't understand. Identical. Same hair. Same shape. Same teeth.

Same height. Same height. Identical. Everything was identical. For real? It wasn't the same girl. The hell, nah. It was not the same girl.

Nah. But because I saw, like I said said I saw him every day and I saw the way he carried himself I saw the way he did things he was a more he was always a more serious person than I was I was not very serious at all I was always telling jokes I was always trying to be funny and um that's why you couldn't get in prison with your grave they were bad they were bad uh but I just think the thing is that once i saw because when i see him and that's why i knew i could be i could be with whatever i wanted to be because when he went to college i was like well i'm going to college too hell he could do it i could do it

he eat the same food i eat he sleep where i slept he getting rained on just like me yeah he got to go to the woods to use the bathroom just like me. Here, let's go to college. I'm going, too. That's right. He went to the NFL. I'm like, he going? I'm going, too. And so that's just the way I looked at it, man. It was just unbelievable. Because my grandfather died.

I was eight, about to be nine. He was about to be 12. And he took over. He was the dominant male figure in my life, Ocho. He was the one that I followed. But I would do things as a small child, and he would get in trouble. And my grandmother would ask, Barney, why are you so hard on Spanky? He said, because it's his responsibility to teach Shannon.

He said, because Mary, I ain't going to be here always. And I never understood. But he's not much older than me you make it seem like he's like 10 11 years older than me but he knew even though I didn't that I watched everything that he did I hung on every word that he said and he could get to me he could talk to me when nobody else could like at track meets, something was going on. My coach would call him. He's like, don't say anything to it. I got it. And it was, man, it's an unbelievable feeling to have someone that you know, that you know, sincerely, genuinely loves you, cares about you. And there's nothing that this man wouldn't do for me and it's vice versa

he knows that whatever it ain't no when he made it to the NFL he's like we made it when I went to the Hall of Fame I never said I I said bro we made it we did it man Ocho it's a to have him by my side to know that

he's we don't get to do this. We don't get to do this. And I'm not saying talk about each other. We don't get to sit next to each other often. I'm trying to think the last time we were this close for this long would have been 2011 at my hall of at my grandma's funeral in the hall of fame in 2011 yeah the. What year was that?

2018. Would have been Philly, New England. Philly, New England, yeah. So it's not like we get to spend time. I mean, we talk two or three, four times a week or text two or three, four times a week, but we don't get to do this. And we're old enough now where we can say I love you and not feel weird. Because nobody ever said I love you the way we grew up. That was not something you did because as a man, you never showed.

I love you by what I do. I love you by what I say. I'm not going to love you by telling you. So for us to get here, we're supposed to be here and I hope more people not just black people more people would when you get a chance to give someone flowers give them to them don't be ashamed or afraid to say good morning to somebody who doesn't look like you or how you doing to someone who doesn't look like you and I think I've learned that over the years because when we did the same things

when we both played football we could talk football when we both did TV we could talk TV I play golf he doesn't so we don't have anything in common right now but we can still find out how each one of us, how we're doing.

And I'm very proud of how he handled the Skip situation. He almost lost it. The Afro-American almost came out. I know you saw it when the glasses went on the table. Skip, I'm in the effort all the time. I was like, I said to myself, that is the end of the sharps on TV. Because I knew what was going to come next. And I was like, Skip, I hope you can fight. But no, I say that in jest. I never thought he would lose control.

I was really shocked that he yelled and screamed. But he yelled and screamed not because of what Skip said. He yelled and screamed because he was so hurt that a someone he liked and trusted would say or do that to him and he would never say this I'm not on TV I don't do anyone else's media at all except PGA Tour golf I go on their show but I don't do anybody else's because you can't ask me about him because I'm not going to give you anything about him. Do I like his success? You're going to have to use your own imagination. Do I think he is doing the right thing? You're going to have to use your imagination. I do not talk about him. Everybody goes, when are you going to be on Club shea shea i was like i was first

before it became club shea shea and and chad they were famous i went on then because i was like i see where this train going and this is way before cat way i do not want to be anywhere near where this thing's going. So Club Shea and Nightcap, I can say this. This is probably the last time you'll see me publicly. Because they are going in a totally different stratosphere. And I want to thank Cam Newton. I told Cam backstage, I am very impressed by him because they are a lot alike and and you have to admit Cam is the largest human being you've ever seen

dude is gigantic. Quichol? Man it's an honor for me, obviously someone I watched when I was young, growing up. And it's so surreal hearing all the stories about you through Unc. Yeah. Watching you play, seeing the highlights, and now being able to sit here in person and hear the stories. So the stories that I do hear, now they come into fruition because you're saying the same thing. Because sometimes I think I'm be lying hey sometimes I think you'd be lying and exaggerating but goddamn you regurgitating the same thing that he be saying how about this here I told a story and people like man ain't nobody say that me I cuz me you Arnie, Eugene, Lanny. Three other guys. We all standing around.

They was talking about a girl they had all had sex with except my cousin Lanny. He said he didn't want to have sex with her because she had the crabs. What did she say? Something to say about the elves. No. The lobsters So My religion Will not allow me

To follow these dudes I'm going to heaven They are not stopping me From going to heaven Where my homeboy Bucket at? He's sitting back there Next to where I was sitting. Bucket. Where Bucket?

He's sitting right there. Come here. Come here, Bucket. Hey, Jordan, help. Where's Jordan? Jordan, help Bucket get to the stage. My homeboy, he just had his knee replaced, and he just tore his ACL in the same knee he had replaced. My homeboy got buzzer luck.

Hey, hey, hey. Hey, Buck, come right here. Man, he can't get up there. Ain't no way in hell. He ain't got to get up here. I'm going to give him my mic. Oh, you got to sit down? Okay. Just stand right there, Buck. Hey, homeboy. Yeah.

I told a story. Okay. About the guy that walked in there with the chopper. Yes. You were sitting on the couch. I was. Buggy, go tell the story. I ain't going to say nothing else. I want you to tell the story in its entirety because I left a big piece out at the end.

But you tell the story how you remember it. Reading the Jet magazine, Shannon said, homeboy, hey, I'll be right back. I said, okay. One came in the back door. one came in the front door. And I looked, and then the guy knocked on, walked in on the, in the bedroom on Shannon. Shannon like, man, I know Bucket ain't walking in this house on me. I mean, walking in the room on me.

Then I looked, and the man just stood there. Hey, you sharp? Yeah, there. Hey, you sharp? Yeah, man. Hey, man, ain't got no beef with you. Hey, she just be lying to me and everybody else. So we got in my truck and hauled up. So we was going down the road. By jury.

We was going down the road, and Shannon said, man, I left my Rolex. I said, man, I left my Rolex. I said, man, damn that damn Rolex. And Shannon said, man, I just paid $25,000. Man, I don't give a damn. That man got a sawed off an AK-40. Man, we going back. I said, oh, Lord. So I turned my truck

around. We went back. Old boy gave Shannon his watch and we left. And that was true. True story. What happened when we was pulling off and driving down the road? Driving down the road, the girl ran outside half naked. Stop, stop. I said, Shannon, didn't she go right there? Man, stop this truck.

I said, oh, we finna get killed messing with you. So I stopped the truck. She jumped in. I blacked. I'm glad y'all stopped. He was beating the shit out of us. So that's actually how it happened. I had gone to school with her. I had just come in time for homecoming he got the name but let me tell you i get he got the name bucket i came in time back

this was in 91 i said 91 yeah i said man pick me up from the airport i ain't gonna get no rental car this time pick me up so back then you know you could walk to the you know you could walk to the gate wait till your person come off, and he walked me down. So I was like, okay, we cool. I was like, I know he done got something real nice for you, boy, to ride around in. So, you know, I go to the passenger side. I open the door, get in and sit down, and he's still standing there. I said, what the fuck you doing?

I said, man, get in. He's like, man, the driver's side door won't open. I got to get in through the passenger. I said, man, you come pick me up in this damn bucket. And ever since then, he's been named Bucket.

And it was a five-speed manual, so I had to step across it. you know and and he painted it yellow canary yellow but that's a this is my biological brother me and that man they're as close as me and him there's nothing I wouldn't do for it with With my kids, my daughter was in Jacksonville. He would come see me play. I was playing with the Ravens. I was playing with the Broncos. He would go pick my daughter up.

She refers to him as Uncle Fuzz. He would go pick my daughter up, bring her to the game, hang out. I'd see my daughter. He would take her back home. When I would go places, he would come up here and stay with my daughter, make sure everything was, hey, whatever your daddy said, go. You know what your daddy said. And that would be the end of it.

So, bro, I love you more than life. I appreciate everything you've done to me. And I love you too, brother. And just what he said, he had me watching over his daughter. He trusted me with his daughter. And that meant a lot to me. That put our friendship to a point where it was brotherhood for me to watch over his teenage daughter,

to house sit with her. Ain't too many people going to trust him. Let me save you from yourself. You, hey, you giving out too many family secrets. Man, Ocho. Yeah. We got two more of these. We in Houston on Sunday, and then the following Friday, we're in Dallas.

Bro, this has been an unbelievable experience. Beautiful ride so far. Beautiful ride. I can't think of a better person I would want to share this journey with. Your dedication, your work to get better. You know, I put I ain't the easiest person to

work with because I have a lot of expectations. You ain't the easiest person to grow up with. But bro, what you've done over the last year, how you've gotten better, how you've studied, how you want to get better. You're like, Unc, I want to do this. I want to do this.

And you take coaching very, very well. So, bro, I appreciate this ride that we've been on together. I appreciate it. Thank you. We appreciate you because without you, there is no Unc, there is no Ocho. And there is absolutely no nightcap. So, thank you guys from the bottom of my heart. Ocho, sit us out. We leaving?

We's leaving. Hold on, before we go, I want y'all to do me a favor and wish a friend of mine a happy birthday. Ty Stover, where you at, Ty? Alright, could y'all just wish Ty, Ty, where you at? In the back just wish time

happy birthday for me that's it and the night before y'all leave if you got time we all at Magic City tomorrow every alcohol on me Matt Matt say he got us you don't nobody everybody else y'all'all got to pay cover charge. Wait, Mo. Where you at? Wait, Mo. Hold on. If you got it, what is it? Gold? Gold. Wait, Mo. You got to go. Okay, if you got a gold wristband, let everybody else leave.

And then, because then you'll be able to do the meet and greet with Ochoa and myself. So, let everybody else leave. Guys, if you have a gold wristband, please stay seated. And we'll meet you out front in just a second. Thank you guys for coming out. Nightcap has been a success because of you. Thank you from the bottom of our heart. I'm Heath Ocho.

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