Nightcap - Nightcap - The Bears' Ugly Win, Megan Thee Stallion, Jalen Hurts vs. Lamar Jackson

Episode Date: November 28, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the Chicago Bears beating the Minnesota Vikings, the Carolina Panthers firing first-year head coach Frank Reich and what it means for Bryce Young, Shannon clears up his comments about Megan Thee Stallion, the guys debate whether they would start their franchise with Jalen Hurts or Lamar Jackson and much more! 00:00 - Introduction4:10 - Bears beat Vikings13:15 - Shaq Lawson apologizes20:00 - Frank Reich fired29:00 - Deebo Samuel vs. Eagles45:00 - Megan Thee Stallion Talk1:00:00 - Unc loves to brush his teeth1:25:00 - Hurts or Lamar?1:29:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Club #Volume #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1st. We're giving away a car. Alright, let's get into tonight's action. The Bears beat the Vikes 12-10. Entering tonight, the Chicago Bears have lost 22 straight games in which they trailed at any point in the fourth quarter. Justin Fields, 27-37, 217 yards. Joshua Dobbs was 22-35.

He had a bunch of turnovers, 185 yards. Four picks. Four. Have three, they probably win the game easily. Two, they run away with it. But, what was some of your takeaways tonight?

Listen, I love both teams. I love both quarterbacks. I love Dobbs. I love Justin Fields. But it was the snooze fest. It was the snooze fest. It was the defensive game.

Obviously, the interception didn't make it any better. Drop ball, drop ball, going into other players' hands. Both sides' ball at the half, it was 3-3. Nothing was going on. Nothing, drop ball, going into other players' hands, both sides' ball. At the half, it was 3-3. Nothing was going on.

Nothing, I mean, they were moving the ball somewhat efficient up and down the field, but there was no scoring. Three field goals a night? What, three field goals or four field goals

to win the game? Four. Four field goals on a touchdown. No, actually, it was five field goals on a touchdown. Five field goals on a touchdown. Like, come on. That's not what we signed up for, especially for a primetime goals and a touchdown. Five field goals and a touchdown. Like, come on.

That's not what we signed up for, especially for a primetime game, a Monday night game, something that we all look forward to. Something about the slate of primetime games have been very, very boring, very, very lackluster outside of, was it Thursday night or was it Sunday night with the Beatles and Eagles? Oh, you're talking about Philly? Oh, that was a great game. That was Sunday afternoon. And then have to, oh,

I'm sorry, Sunday afternoon, then have to be succumbed to the game tonight. It was unfortunate. Again, Dobbs, you can't win a game. You can't win a game like that. You can't turn the ball over that many times and overcome it. You preach it and you harp on it all the time about turning the ball over like that. And on the other side of the ball i mean the bears the

bears played phenomenal defense they played great defense especially for them to turn the ball over that for the vikings eternal ball over that many times i would have liked for the bears to have run away with this game it shouldn't have come down to a few at the end it definitely should have came down to a field goal yeah i agree with you but i think the thing was ocho when you look at this game when they set match up for monday night which is a year in advance the bike i'm sure uh esp and telecast the game was expecting to get kurt cousins and they were expecting and justin jefferson and they were expecting to get a much improved Justin Fields and so that's what you're expecting well you don't always get what you expect you know I'm saying sometimes uh and so

I think that was the case Joshua Dobbs has kind of bounced around and I think sometimes you see I mean he can show you flashes but I think tonight shows you why he's bounced around why he's had so many stops in this league but uh you know you're asking an awful lot a guy that's just he's bounced around, why he's had so many stops in this league. But, you know, you're asking an awful lot. A guy that's just, he's been there probably less than a month. Three weeks. So to come in and play extremely well. He had flashes. He had some flashes.

But you've got to protect the football. I mean, you're not that good of a football team to overcome those kinds of mistakes. But give their defense credit. Like you said, he turned the ball over four times, and they only gave up four field goals. So the Vikings, the Nail Hunters, having an unbelievable season. They still, they played hard,

but it's hard for you to overcome those kinds of mistakes. Justin Fields, on the other hand, the turnovers, again, fumbled the ball twice. He allowed them to get back into the game. You've got to protect the ball. You know, the funny thing about it is, I think more so he's protecting the ball. If you see him, you can see him cover up with the ball. But the funny thing, the defensive player laying the hat in the right place at the right time,

and it still came out anyway. It still came out anyway. Them guys are really good. The thing is now, Ocho, I mean, occasionally they did it, but they have drills now. They know how to punch that ball out. They'll put their helmet right on the ball. So even if you

got it nice and tight, guys will come in and punch it out. Or you're trying to cover up, guys will come in and put their helmet on the side and it goes squirting out. So give those guys credit. They found a way to get the ball out from Justin Fields, and it probably wouldn't even have been a game if he could have held on to the ball, but it allowed Minnesota to get the ball and score a touchdown.

So, yeah, it wasn't the most entertaining game, but, you know, somebody, I'm sure the Bears said, hold on. To go on the road and to win a ball game, given their history in the fourth quarter being behind at any point in time and to find a way to win the ball game maybe that gives them some confidence but i i thought also now i know he's been injured with that thumb justin fields but i definitely was expected him to take that next step uh uh and get because his legs you see what happened with Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts had unbelievable legs, but in the off season,

he got better and better and better at throwing the football. So now he's a, a really a dual threat because he can beat you either or. And I think that's the next step in order for Justin Fields to be. And I don't, I don't know. I don't think he's going to be in Chicago. I really don't.

Because it looks like the Carolina Panthers are going to have the number one pick, which means that's going to go to the Chicago Bears. Yeah. But oh, oh, so you think Caleb Caleb Caleb Williams, Caleb Williams has a high. He's have they're saying he's going to have one of the higher grades for a quarterback that's come out in a very long time i don't see how they they passed it up once you know you could have you could have had bright i don't believe they do it again oh joe because guess what you can do oh joe you could really be i can i can hey you want justin fields who could they're like 10, 15 teams that need Justin Fields. Hey, I can get another first round pick. Plus, I'm in the top 10 myself. The Bears got their own

pick. So you mean to tell me I might be able to have three top 10, top 15 picks? Tell me I can't build something with that old joke. You can't. Maybe I take that latter pick for Justin Fields and I traded and get me a

veteran player. I like, I like that. I like that. But again, I'm going to go back to what Caleb Williams said. I don't even know if he really quoted this or did he really mean to say what he said earlier about obviously whatever team draft me,

I'm going to want some type of capital in the team. The NFL is not doing that. They won't allow that. They'll make you divest any part. I mean, they're not giving up a part of the team. They're not going to start that precedent. The NFL is not one for starting precedents. I don't think any professional league will allow a current player to have an ownership state in a team.

Because remember, they made Brady, I mean, Brady had the I think he tried to Oh, the Dolphins. Remember they tried to run that little backboard deal? That's what got everybody in trouble. And Brian Flores, yeah.

They said, oh no, that's not gonna happen. You come Flores, yeah. They said, oh, no, that's not going to happen. You come play quarterback. We'll give you a little percentage of the team. We'll keep that hush hush. No, no, sir. No, you're not. Yeah, but no, you got to remember. He also said, I don't know if it was him talking or maybe his family members talking.

He was saying, depending on the team that would have the number one pick, I will even subject myself to going back to USC for another year if the team is that bad. Football is too dangerous. It's too dangerous as a game. You're going to run the risk of tearing an ACL? You're going to run the risk of breaking a leg? Or you're going to take $40 million in your hands, Ochoa? I just want to know what Ochoa is going to do.

Listen, obviously you know I would come out, but when a player says something like that ahead of time, before it's time to get drafted. They're just talking, trying to scare teams off. They're trying to scare teams off. You think so? Ocho, you know how you be saying, do it again and see what happens.

You don't really want them to do it again. You're really trying to scare them off and deter them from doing said what they did to begin with. And I think that's what Caleb Williams, he's trying to deter. Oh, Joe, you're not going to the Cowboys. You're not going when you're the number one pick. Right.

You're not going to a quality team. That's the reason why they got the number one pick. If they were any good, they wouldn't have the number one pick. This is not like basketball. Basketball, the Lakers won the NBA title one year. Right. And then got James Worthy. Yeah. Yeah. They won title one year and then got James Worthy.

Yeah. Yeah. They won the title in 82 and got James Worthy. How you do that? Right. Yeah, that's totally unfair because then obviously you get situations like Bryce Young. I'm sorry to go off topic right now. No, go ahead.

Go ahead. We can get situations like Bryce Young where a young fella, he's the number one pick in the draft. And I love the Panthers. I love them on both sides of the ball. But there's really nothing for them to work with. Obviously, Frank Wright. We getting on that in a minute anyway.

So I'm going to stop. I'm going to stop because we got that later on. I'm going to stop. Yes. Okay, we saw what transpired. Shaq Lawson apologizes for shoving the Eagle fan. He just got to let it go, knowing his frustration. Both Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips wrote on Instagram

that a fan threatened them and their situation that escalated throughout the game. Lawson later apologized for the shove while saying certain lines should not be crossed. What's your takeaway on that, Ocho? I mean, listen, you know, fans have to remember that

we, as athletes, especially when it comes to our family we don't do that don't do that don't do that don't cross that line there's a certain line that you don't cross a certain line that that you just don't do when it comes to you could heckle you could say what you want don't touch don't get anybody's face don't be disrespectful and then half the time the fans do this stuff purposely simply for money grab simply because if you touch them you do anything to them you shove them you push them oh i'm hurt

oh my neck oh my back simply that's that's all that comes down to it then today right if you're not a fan of a certain player you know enjoy it i mean me me me for example i love the trash talk i love you saying stuff about i love you cursing. I enjoy that. Everybody's not the same, especially when it comes to people's family and people's kids. There's a line you have to draw because they will lose it and forget that they are a part of the NFL or part of the NBA. They will forget that really quick when it comes to family. Yeah, family is a line that you shouldn't cross. You start talking about somebody's wife or somebody's significant other.

Yeah. Somebody's kids. Yeah. That's a green light. They become very protective. And I don't I don't know why you would go to the game and talk about someone's family member in that manner, because you wouldn't want someone to come to your your place of employment and talk to you. Now, I understand, you know, you want to cheer. You want to say I suck. You want to say I boo me. I like that. Because the more you boo me, that tells me the better I am. You don't boo special teams

players. You don't boo guys that that's not dressed out. You boo the really good players. And the louder you boo, you're telling me I must be really good. And I'm okay with that. But when you start calling me a B-I-T-C-A or a moch and all that bro hold up now come on now yeah i didn't i didn't sign up for that and so i i think i think sometimes fans get carried away and it's like well if you're paying me a million dollars i should be able to say whatever i want and i you should be able to take

no no it doesn't work like that guys it really doesn't and i don't know why you would i mean just because your job doesn't subject you to that i mean i wouldn't go to i wouldn't go to somebody's place of work and no matter like i said you know we were talking about tip service but i'm not gonna call nobody out their name i'm not gonna say oh you this or you that that's not what i'm gonna do but hey you know sometimes fans you know and plus oh you gotta realize now a lot of these fans probably showed up an hour, two hours before the game. And they've been probably had a couple of drinks, a couple of beverages along the way. So two hours before the game and now you're going through a threat. So you've been there five hours and you've been throwing a couple of them things back.

Now, all of a sudden, you got that courage. Yeah, you're feeling good. That liquid courage. You're feeling good. You feel invincible. And I think if we were to ask, let's say, if you were to line up 100 people, if you was to line up 100 people and ask fans, how do you feel about heckling of players? They would all probably agree, probably agree, they should be able to take it. They make millions of dollars. That's everybody's first question they lean on is they make all this money.

Yeah. They should be able to withstand, you know, hey, sticks and stones may break my bones, but words don't. But still, you come to somebody's job.

Yeah. You're coming to somebody's job, you know, have fun, enjoy it. Talk your trash. Just don't get disrespectful and cross certain lines

that you know you wouldn't want anybody doing to you. Right. Because you know, Ojo, you know you wouldn't want anybody doing to you. Right. Because you know, Ojo, you probably have to buy five or six beers. You probably look like, man, Jordan Phillips and Shaq Lawson,

they don't look that big. Like, I could take them. I'll be like, hey, Ojo, you know, you start like, hey, he ain't that big. I mean, he got pants on. So probably in real life,

they probably not that big. Yeah. And you start start trying to convince yourself, hey, hey, you. Yeah. Look at me. I'm talking to you. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you be walking up on their ass,

cutting it, don't even know it. But I understand, fans, you want to go and you want to have a good time, and I'm okay with that. But like I said, there are certain lines, no matter what it is, there are certain lines that you shouldn't cross. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Oh, wait.

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after the graphic disappears will also be DQed. Good luck. Frank Wright was fired after going 1-10. Ocho, I kind of think we kind of knew this was coming. What are you supposed to do, man?

What's Frank supposed to do, man? What's Frank supposed to do, man? What you supposed to do? What is Frank Rice supposed to do? You got the number one pick. You draft Bryce Young. Yeah. You draft Bryce Young. He comes to a team, right?

Reports are, you wanted C.J. Stroud. But again, I'm- The owner, David Tepper, wanted Bryce Young. But this is the problem. This is the problem with that. I don't care if you had C.J. Stroud. I don't care if you had Mary Had a Little Lamb. I don't care if you had Bryce Young.

What you see right now are the same results you were going to get, regardless of who you have at the helm, when you don't have the proper players surrounded by that said player. I totally agree on Joe. You know, at no disrespect to anybody that plays for the Panthers. I'm just, I'm just saying what you're seeing as a result of not having the said

product necessary to compete at the level. And they have to build, they have to build. I hope I, God, God forbid. I hope Panthers fans understand it's going to take time. They have to build a team around Bryce Young so we can see the same results we saw from him when he was at Alabama.

Yeah, I think the thing is, Ochoa, what happens is that David Tepper is a guy that doesn't have very much patience. Oh, you got to. You got to. Well, he doesn't seem to understand that because he had Matt Rule on the payroll. And then he had a great situation with Steve Wilks. Steve Wilks came way halfway through the season. They played extremely well. But he wanted names.

He liked names. He's looking to make a splash. And Steve Wilks didn't have the cachet or didn't have the name. Right. So all of a sudden, he wasn't as appealing. Well, appealing, that doesn't work nah you better get somebody that that knows that can relate to these players that has a good system right probably you probably should have got a defensive coordinator so you can run the football

and play to your defense right but like you said Bryce Young doesn't have a Nico Collins he doesn't have a Tank Dale he doesn't have a Laramie Tunsil he doesn't have the Nico Collins. He doesn't have a Tank Dale. He doesn't have a Laramie Tunsil. He doesn't have the pieces around him to be successful like a CJ Stroud. Right. And so with that being said, you shouldn't expect the same level of success. But I think the thing that what really irked the owner, David Tepper, was no offense of improvement. It seems to be like they were regressing as opposed to, I'm not saying Ocho that we go out there and we win

you know, we 5 and they're 1 and 10 let's just say for the sake of argument, they're 5 and 6. But it seems like week after week, the offense regresses. And so when there's no progress, progress, it seems to be regress, so now what seems to be regress.

So now what do we do? Yeah. Well, they fired the head coach. You fired, you fired, you fired Josh McCown. You fired the quarterback coach. So why you didn't fire the offensive coordinator if you won in 10?

Well, well, Frank White wasn't called an officer plays, was he? Yes, probably so. Okay. Okay.

Okay. He was. Yeah. That's it. That's his expertise And probably that's how he was able to get the job Right Because he called the plays

Plays, okay Yeah, so I have a question I have a question You would probably be better suited to answer that for me Because I don't You know, my knowledge across the NFL I don't know

How many head coaches actually call the offensive plays? Or how many head coaches are offensive minded And also call the offensive plays? How many head coaches are offensive-minded and also call the offensive plays? I would say... What percentage do you think? Well, Mike McCarthy let Kellen Moore go, so he calls the plays. Right.

Kyle Shanahan, he calls the plays. Okay, yeah. Sean McVay, he calls the plays. Andy Reid, he calls the plays. Okay, that's three. The guy in Cincinnati, your head coach, he calls the plays. Zach Taylor called the plays? Yeah, Sean Payton calls the plays.

Josh McDaniel was calling the plays. So I would literally have to go. Oh, well, Brian Dayball of the Giants, he gave up the play calling. Right, right, right. Ron Rivera doesn't call the Giants, he gave up the play calling. Right, right, right. Ron Rivera doesn't call the plays. Eric Biennium calls the plays. So let's go to the – Pete Carroll doesn't call the plays.

No. Sean McVay does. Does the guy in Gannon. Gannon's a defensive guy, so he doesn't call the plays in Arizona. You know what the funny thing about it is? Think about all the. Think about all the offensive minded head coaches that you just named. What are all their offenses doing? Very, very well. All of them, all the offenses, all of Shanahan McVay offense on fire.

Zach Taylor offense was on fire. Obviously, we had a slow start. Now, Joe, Joe Burrow being out. Yeah. There was one. There was two more. You see we had a slow start. Now, Joe Burrow being out. Good thing, yeah. There was two more you said. I can't remember the names. I'm talking about here. But you just see what I'm saying.

But all those teams, offensively, they are structured to work and be efficient. In Carolina, they don't have that. They don't have it. But also, Ocho, they have veteran quarterbacks. You got a rookie. Okay, okay. That's right.

That's right. Russ is a veteran. Patrick Mahomes is a veteran. Matthew Stafford is a veteran. Right. I mean, so, come on now. So, even though

Josh McDaniels got fired, Jimmy Garoppolo was a veteran. So, yes, you got veteran quarterbacks and you got offensive-minded guys, although Brock Purdy's in his second year, but he's not a rookie. Right. And he was a starter last year.

Right. So, with that being said, I mean, it takes some grace, but David Tepper seems to be a guy that if it doesn't work right away or immediately, he's willing to, like, OK, boom, tear it up. But I guess when you got eight, nine billion dollars, Ocho, you can do that. Yeah, but listen, I think he has to understand the nature of the business, the nature of the beast when it comes to the NFL. You can't just pull right away like a deck of cards and reshuffle and think you're going to have a hand that you can play.

It don't work like that. You gonna have to have patience you got a rookie quarterback you have to build and put pieces around that quarterback one solid offensive lineman one solid obviously you want you want it to be your left tackle somebody really yes all things unique when you want your left tackle need one solid receiver a security blanket where you can close your eyes and know nine times out of ten, I can come to his ass on first, second, or third goddamn down. Then work your defense. Running backs, you know how they feel about running backs right now.

You can pull and pull in any which way you want and get somebody that's efficient. But that takes time. I could just sit here and call it out on what you need to do, but in order to do it the right way, it takes time. I could just sit here and call it out on what you need to do. But in order to do it the right way, it takes time. Yeah. You look at the Houston Texans and C.J. Stroud.

They got the highest paid left tackle and the highest paid offensive lineman in football, Laramie Tunsil. And probably the best left tackle in the game outside of, what's the young fella over there with the Cowboys? They're with 77. Oh, you like Tyron Smith? And you know you got, hey, you got that big boy out there in San Fran, Trent Williams. Brother Trent Williams.

That's the top three, right? Yeah, for sure. That's the top three. Oh, my goodness. For them boys, them boys good. Yeah, they move some. Them boys good.

Yeah, they move some. I mean, Trent's a 10-time pro bowler. I think Tyron Smith is a 7, 8-time pro bowler, many-time All-Pro. Yeah. But look at the Cowboys. I mean, the Cowboys got an All-Pro, a guy, first ballot Hall of Fame in Zach Martin. Yeah. They got a left guard that they drafted that exceeded everybody's expectations.

He looks like a mini Larry Allen. And you got Tyron Smith. Yeah. But you have to have, you have to give a Bryce Young time. You got to give him protection. And you got to give him weapons. Yeah. But you have to have, you have to give a Bryce Young time. You got to give him protection and you got to give him weapons. Yeah. And he doesn't have any,

he doesn't have any weapons. He doesn't have an offensive line that can protect him. Bryce Young, the Panthers on Sunday scored 15 of fuel points for the fifth straight time, seven times in 11 games. Bryce Young ranks last in QBR.

He's been sacked 40 times. Tied for fifth player through his first 10 starts. Since sacks were an official stat, sacks were first tracked in 1963. They didn't become an official stat until 1982. That's crazy, man.

That's crazy. People have been taking the quarterbacks for a long time and didn't get credit for it. Yeah. He going to be all right, though. He going to be all right there. For one, he's coming from a program where he's used to winning.

He has a winning mentality. All they have to do is put the pieces around him. Obviously, Alabama is stacked. They stacked all across the board. And if he gets in the NFL, it ain't the same. No. It ain't the same. No.

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Debo was asked on Monday, did he regret calling him Bradbury trash? He said, I don't regret anything. I don't regret nothing I say. Debo was upset how the 49ers lost to Philly. Remember, Brock Purdy hurt his elbow, and then Josh Johnson got knocked out of the game with a concussion and the Eagles coasted to a 31-7 victory because they ended up snapping the ball

directly to Christian McCaffrey and a lot of other things but basically the two starting quarterbacks got knocked out of the game and left them limited. Debo said we lost because we played with 10 people. I ain't gonna keep going on about it, what could have happened or what should have happened, but yeah, it was

definitely been a different outcome if we're healthy. So what's your takeaway on Debo? I like it. I like it. This is what we need. This is what the NFL has been missing. We've been missing a little bit. Obviously, you go out there and play. You got the product on the field. You got people celebrating.

You got people having fun. You got people dancing. You got choreography, but we don't have no goddamn trash talk. We don't have no trash talk, we don't got no players going at each other, we don't have no personal arguments like we had when I was playing during my era, where there were certain people that literally didn't like each other, and

really meant it. It's like having food with no goddamn seasoning. What Debo Samuel just did is he added food to the seasoning. So now guess what everybody going to be doing? Guess what everybody going to do when they play? Everybody going to be tuned in because you want to see what Bradbury does. You want to see what Debo does.

It makes the game fun and exciting, even if they are serious from the outside looking in. Now, as a fan of the game, I love this. I love it. This is something that this is a dynamic part of the game that has been missing that was great in the 80s, it was great in the 90s, it was great in the early

2000s, but it's a lost art that players don't do. If there's somebody they don't like, come out, let them know, and then go out there and back up your talk. Well, they're too busy exchanging jerseys after the game. So, I mean, come on, Ocho, man. They took this too far.

I mean, everybody, you want everybody's jersey, bro? You didn't exchange jerseys? When we went to the Pro Bowl. Oh, okay, okay, okay. I mean, back when, you got to realize, bro. And helmets.

Yeah. You know, you would, every once in a while, hey, Sean, let me get that. Okay, fine. But helmets wasn't the thing. But I don't, I don't, I didn't,

I'm trying to think. The only jersey I ever swapped was my last year in Baltimore. But this was after the game. Right. I mean, we were in the tunnel and Ray and I exchanged jerseys. Yeah. But, nah, not on the field and not after every game. Yeah, you're right.

You're right. You're right. I mean, in my basement, I don't want everybody's jersey. Well, you got my jersey in your basement? Man, I ain't got. I'm trying to think. I think I got my Super Bowl jerseys. You had to throw that in there on me, huh?

Yeah, but that's all I got up there. As far as jerseys, I got Rays, and I got Peyton's. Peyton's Bronco jersey. Why ain't you got my jersey? Man, O I got Peyton's. Peyton's Bronco jersey. Why you ain't got my jersey? Hey, man. Oh, sure. I was going. I mean, what you saying?

It don't matter. You should have my jersey hanging up just because. Just because. I'm your boy. I just told you, man. Y'all be, I mean, when the Bengals come to the Pro Bowl, y'all be begging people to take that helmet. Man, as a matter of fact.

Yo, she over here laughing a little too loud, man. As a matter of fact, I got Slim Pickens. Slim Pickens couldn't find nobody. He said, man, Shark, just take it. I said, all right.

I said, because I'm not trained, you know. Because you know the hot helmets the Cowboys and the Raiders. Oh, yeah. Everybody wanted the Cowboys and the Raiders. Especially back then.

Yeah, everybody wanted it. And Emmitt didn't trade his helmet. Time didn't really trade his helmet. No. No, no. Because if I'm not mistaken, I think Emmitt might have worn the same helmet damn near his whole career.

Man, Emmitt didn't really get off nothing. No gloves, no shoes. Emmitt was like, man, Emmitt, you know the dude kept every touchdown ball he scored. And he scored damn near 170 times. You know what dude kept every touchdown ball he scored. And he scored damn near 170 times. You know what's funny? Now that you think about it, man, I think I really messed up. I really messed up.

And when I was playing, as far as keeping memorabilia and having memories, man, I ain't got shit, man. I ain't got no jerseys. I ain't got no footballs. Like, some of the props I use for celebrations, I don't know what my Hall of Fame jacket is

because that's the only one I'm going to get. I would love to have that and frame it and create my own bus and have my own bus made. Like, I don't have nothing. I scored a few touchdowns.

I ain't got one goddamn ball. I went to the Pro Bowl six, seven times. I don't even remember how many times. I ain't got, I ball. I went to the Pro Bowl six, seven times. I don't even remember how many times. I ain't got, I don't even know where my Pro Bowl shit at.

I don't have no memorabilia. And I think that's bad. I think that's bad. If I look back on it and I look at some of the guys that I went to the pro bowl with yeah um one year it was montana was my quarterback i think it was montana elway marino i mean like like two years in a row i had elway marino montana warren moon it didn't get anything

uh bruce smith junior seau dt cortez kennedy you know all the guys obviously the nfc you had It didn't get anything. Bruce Smith, Junior Seau, DT, Cortez, Kennedy. You know, all the guys. Obviously, the NFC, you had rest of this old Reggie White. I mean, you had the dogs over there, man. Man, you shit. But you look like what I'm playing. I mean, you know, I didn't even know. I would have took everybody's stuff.

Do you realize the names you just called off? Yeah, hey. But I remember the first time I went, my brother went, and I was just, I was in the lead, but I was just, he's like, hey, my sister had went the year before. And then I went the next year, and man, I went over there, and I was just looking around, you know, Jerry, I mean, Jerry, Michael, Chris Carter, Herman Moore, my brother,

Reggie, and Bruce, and DT, and Seau. Man, I mean, and the quarterbacks, you know, you had Steve and Troy, Brett Favre. I mean, bro, it didn't really dawn on me until it was too late. My last year at the Pro Bowl, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady was there. Nothing. That's crazy. But at the time, it's not like it is now where guys are understanding

our collectibles and me. Right. It didn't even dawn. Oh, Deion was the corners. Deion, Rod Woodson, Aeneas Williams. Aeneas. Arizona. Yeah. Aeneas. Arizona. Yeah.

Aeneas. You were nice. DG, Daryl Green was on. Yes. I messed up. I messed up. So it's not, you know, 11, 10, 12, whatever years removed I am from the game. Now I wish I should have kept some of that stuff and I don't know what it is. Somebody out there, if you see this and you have my Hall of Fame jacket,

my replica, I would like it back. You know, that's a keepsake for me and if I have some frame, I would like to frame that because that's a one-on-one. Yeah. Barry,

I mean, Barry Emmett was the running back. I mean, we can't... Boy, you had Barry and Emmett was there? Yeah.

You didn't get none from Barry? Nope. Nope. I mean, but here's the thing. Barry barely came down. I mean, you might see Barry once or twice. It was hard because when we first started going, it was at the Hilton Hawaiian. Yeah.

It wasn't secluded like it was at the Iolani. Right. The Iolani was nice. Yeah. The Iolani was nice. The Iolani, it was all basically people over there, it's family or friends of family. At the Hill of the Wine, it could be anybody because it was open. You just go.

And so guys didn't want to be bothered. So they were just like secluded. But no, I didn't even think about it, Ocho. But I agree with you. I like Debo what Debo had to say because it's not like they're going to call the game because he said a little. And it's not like they're going to call the game because he said a little and it's not like they're going to play hard if he said a lot. The game got to be played.

Whether you like me or not, I'm still going to show up. So you don't, oh, we're going to punish you. We're going to make you meet the words. That's what I'm here for. Yeah, most definitely. I hate coaches that say don't give another team bullet toball material.

Don't do anything that's going to make them play better. Play what? Play who? Play how? What you talking about? They put their pants on one leg at a time like me. They bleed the same way I do. So, you know, why not talk trash?

All you got to do is back it up. Ain't nothing wrong with that. And that is what the game is missing. NFL players, if you see this, we got maybe, what, six, seven more weeks to go. Start talking, start talking shit. Call somebody out.

Call somebody out. Hold on, just a second. Baby, you ain't let me get no kiss or nothing. Shake this out. Real, say she's asleep. Nah, she just flew in. Oh she yeah come on baby get some sugar hey um how you doing hey rail

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teddy bear and your instagram handle in the chat so good luck ocho yeah you you saw court side hey i said court side baby i said court side although it wasn't a very good game you got an opportunity to see competition at its highest level, although the Lakers' effort left a lot to be desired. So what was kind of your takeaway from the game? Listen, I had fun. I had fun. Listen, I wasn't worried about the score of the game. I was watching boys.

You know, I was watching the pick and roll. I was watching Maxie. Maxie was hitting threes. Boy, that boy, that boy, they're good. Everybody was hitting threes on Legos. Listen, the young fella, what's the young fella's name? Joel Embiid? Yeah, Embiid, yeah. Embiid, nice.

You know, him and AD was going at it. They was battling. Boy, them boys, trees, boy. You see how tall them boys is that person? Yeah. Yeah. I seen LeBron. I seen, you know, Pat Bev out there playing defense on Austin Reeves.

Austin Reeves, Austin Reeves, nice with it. You know that? For sure, for sure, yes. Austin Reeves, nice with it. You know that? For sure. For sure, yes. Austin Reeves, I know where he grew up. I know he grew up around some of them people because he played like one of these. Oh, yeah, Kobe of the Ozarks. Oh, yeah.

Well, he played like one of them. Oh, he's nice with it. Listen, I'm not a huge, and I can say this, I'm not a huge fan of the game of basketball. But having the opportunity, I go to one heat game a year. This was my first game this year, obviously, and I haven't been to a heat game yet, but being able to sit courtside at a game like that, LeBron, AD, Maxie, Pat Bev, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed the experience. I had fun. And the score line didn't even matter to me I was just happy to be at the game sitting close enough to see the players play and Don't to be the size that some of these dudes are and to be able to move and be as quick and be as efficient

As they are, you know being able to transition and come out come off the pick and and pull up in the mid-range night Oh, it was it was beautiful And I need to I need to get more into it, more in tune to the game of basketball so I can talk about it the way you can or the way Stephen A. Smith can, the same way I can talk about football, soccer, boxing, and tennis.

I'm going to get there, but it's going to take me about three, four years, I think. Yeah, it's... Did any of the guys acknowledge you? Yeah, yeah. LeBron said, what's up? LeBron said, it's, did you, did any of the guys acknowledge you? Yeah, yeah. LeBron said, what's up? LeBron said, what's up? Joel said, hello.

Pat Bev, Pat Bev came over and said something to me. D'Angelo Russell came over and hollered at me. So, AD gave me the ad because he was sitting at the, he was sitting at the free throw line. He couldn't actually come over, but they did acknowledge me. That was, that was that was a pretty dope feeling the the head one of the head coaches the assistant coach i can't remember his name from lakers yeah from the lakers he almost looked like a team catino mobley but it ain't catino mobley because he didn't yeah yeah yeah yeah he came a week we talked for a little

bit do you know how many people in that stadium I was walking through said, man, we love watching you and Ung. What you and Ung do. DeAngelo Russell mentioned the same thing, but what you and Ung doing, man, is special, man. I love watching y'all. As did the coach. Coach said, man, you got to come on down here to L.A. and come check us out. I said, coach, I love you, baby, but have you seen

the prices for the courtside seats in L.A.? He said, you ain't even got to come to a game. Come holidays at practice. Come watch a practice. Come and kick it. But I say, you know what?

When I come out to LA, I'm, I'm, I'm make sure I'm a holy to that. Yeah. Hey, Patrick Woolley asked, Hey,

Uncle Nocho, you guys said you wouldn't mind trying different cuisine, but have y'all had escargot? You know what escargot you know what escargot is who escargot like snails cargo escargot snails you know when you was a kid and they had them in the aquarium yeah those you talk about snails like when it rain and snails be going by the drive-thru when they leave the little slippery little slime. Yeah. Wait. Wait, come back to me now.

You can eat those? Yes, you can. There's a certain type of snail, I'm assuming, because there's so many different species of snails. Yes, yes, yes. No, they can eat those. Huh? They can eat those. I ain't eating no snail. I don't want no snail, man. Whoa, you eat pig feet?

Yeah. Raccoon soup? Yeah. I ain't never had no raccoon soup. The raccoon that I've had was baked. It wasn't no soup, Ojo. It was just baked. It was baked.

Either baked. You eat baked raccoon. That make it any goddamn better? Barbecue too. Does that make it any better? But you won't eat snail? No. I mean, once you cross the line,

you might as well just eat every goddamn thing, honestly. No, no, no, no, no. Whoa, whoa, Ocho. You on your own now. You on your own. You already do. I already know what you would do. You already told me about the toes.

Yeah, daddy, but the toes is the bare goddamn minimum. Hey, Ocho. That's the toes is the bare minimum. Ocho, a slip of the tongue ain't nobody's fault. I'm just saying that ain't got nothing to do with me now. I'm just saying, Ocho, slip of the tongue ain't nobody's fault. You can't do that. Again, I'm not going to say it.

I'm sure that people are tired of me saying it. But right now, you of age, and you're going to have to live a little bit. You ain't living. You alive, but you ain't living. We're going to get you together, though. I'm going to work with you. Ocho, Ocho, I ain't going gonna let you put these batteries in my back you you ain't fit to do that to me you lying to me i ain't going for that but you know what ocho we you know we had a conversation about meg nastaglia last night man no no no no and this

this uh one this one lady, she had something written talking about, you know, you two grown men and y'all are famous and you guys have daughters. How would you feel if somebody said that about them? Well, what was that?

I said, think of how I feel. People gonna say it regardless. Wait. Y'all make it seem like if I don't say something, that means that's gonna shield my daughter or my daughters from men saying things or men approaching them. Wait, you didn't say anything wrong or disrespectful, though, huh?

You were just giving her praises, though, huh? Ocho, you know how people are, Ocho. So she said, do you know that sexual harassment? I'm like, so now I'm sexually harassing Magda Stallion? I said, that's what y'all, that's where we at now. I remember seriously, that's where we at. And you see, Ocho, now you understand why I don't ride the elevator with single women, don't you?

Now you see why I don't hold a door for women. You see? Because the first thing they're going to say, he held a door to look at my butt. The first thing they're going to do, he made me feel uncomfortable. Now you see, joe wait why how wide like i am how in the hell did someone even pull that out the air when it was more so

how do you not understand the analogy and the manner in which and what you said had nothing to do with that and being in a disrespectful way but more giving props to who she is. And like, how do you even mess that up? They was talking about last night when you and I, when I was, I said it in jest. And so, you know, moving forward. Exactly, in jest. Everybody gets that.

Everybody understands that. How could you not? Nah, Eljo. Sometimes, listen, this is what we know. You and I are both heavily involved on social media. A lot of times people come to social media just to get upset. Right. Or to have something to be mad about.

Have something to complain about. So, noted, Ocho and I do a better job of filtering our conversation. Nah, we can't filter, because that's what makes us special, man. That's what makes us special and a little different. Hey, listen. Us being ourselves is what makes us unique.

You know, the chemistry and the fun and the analogies and the jokes and, you know, the pandering and the people that are watching and subscribing and understanding that we are not being, nothing we say is with ill intent.

It's all about fun and entertainment. This is why we're on digital. We're on YouTube. We understand that we couldn't take what we say to linear television, and that's okay. I am completely fine with this platform. This is ours. Yes. This is okay. Right. I am completely fine with this platform. This is ours. Yes.

This is ours. Yeah. And so, and I think the thing is, is that people have waited for so long for someone that's in our position that talks like them, that sounds like them, that looks like them. And so, and a lot of, a lot of of look, when you and I have conversations, Ocho, yeah, they're like, okay, yeah. A lot of times when I tell stories and I use phrases, they've never heard those

before. A lot of these phrases, I heard men say this back when I was a kid. And a lot, a lot of times I'm trying to come up with phrases, but that will resonate and people are like, okay a lot of people that's gone to college

and you know you're not washing laundry on a regular basis, so you throw the laundry in the corner and the laundry is piled hot, so when I say somebody's stacked like dirty laundry in the dorm room, it like I can see that because I remember when I was in school that's what I did, I just threw the laundry in the corner

and it got hot. But you know, like I said, Ocho, everybody is not going to be pleased or happy with the way we talk or the way we say things. And so I'll take note of that. I ain't changing, but I do hear you.

I'm not taking note either, but if you are watching, whether you love us, whether you don't, any celebs or famous people that we talk about, I love you. I love you. Some of you probably don't even like me.

But I tell you what. I love you. I tell you what. If Meg had a problem with anything that I've said, if she feels offended or slighted by anything that I said, let me take the time to say I'm sorry. I apologize. And we love you. Yes. And we love you because I got Dean just I apologize. And we love you. Yes. And we love you because I got needs just like you. Let me show you. Hold on.

Let me show you my Meg needs. Let me show you. I got needs just like Meg. My bad. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. I ain't gonna lie to you. I can't get down there like that because I ain't getting up. The only time I squat like that is to sit in the car.

Ain't no squat down there to get like that. My knees ain't that good. And then with two repaired hips? Oh, no. Walter was Jones ass. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I hurt my knee.

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I hurt my knee. Hold on. Hold on. I hurt my knee. Hold on. Okay. Keep on thinking you young now. You ain't like O'Shea. O'Shea clip a dip quick. See? I'm flexible, Ocho. All right. Okay.

Keep on trying to keep on talking about, I'm old. They be talking about, oh, oh, okay. Ain't nothing, ain't nothing old but old clothes. Nah,

the, the, the chair narrow, the chair narrow. Mm-hmm. Walter is Jones said, Uncle Nocho, love what you're doing.

Keep the dope content rolling. Question for both B-O-A-F. Y'all, if you could have a conversation with your rookie selves, what would you say? That's a good question. If I could have a conversation

with my rookie self, I wouldn't change nothing. Nope. I wouldn't change nothing. No. I'm just being honest. I wouldn't change nothing. I had a time.

I had a great time obviously learning under, at that time, learning under Peter Wark and Darnay Scott, and then getting my opportunity to play in my second year. And from my second year all the way through, it was a ride. It was a beautiful rollercoaster. It was a rollercoaster of fun. It was a rollercoaster of confidence. It was a rollercoaster of ups and downs that I didn't let affect me. As far as the losing goes in Cincinnati, I always promised myself that if it was always

going to be a storm in Cincinnati throughout those bad years, there was going to be one light shining. It was going to be one light shining come hell or high water, and that was me. I was going to make the game entertaining and fun and respectable for fans that were in that city. And I did just that. But my rookie self. I wouldn't take nothing back. I do the exact same way and add some to it. Yeah, I'm not the exact same mojo. I think anybody that that ever that played with me and saw that I was a serious as they come about the game of football. I mean, you see how I live my life now. So you can imagine what it's like because that was my first and foremost goal

was to play in the National Football League. And so, like, nothing else mattered. I wasn't there to meet friends. And if you couldn't help me win, if you weren't going to prepare to win, I ain't have time for you, Ocho. I didn't that's how i am and i'm to this way that's my brand my brand is hard work because that's the way mary and barney porter raised us hard work and i'm not saying hard work hard work doesn't listen

to me people hard work doesn't guarantee you anything, but without it, you got no chance. Yeah. Yeah. You got no chance. That's a good one. And so that was my mindset. I got there and my brother says, I don't know how much you're going to play, but just work hard. And so when John Elway come to you and call your number, be ready.

I was ready. And that's what I tell guys. Hey, coach used to say, hey, don't cut yourself. Let me do that. Know what you're supposed to do. Know what you're supposed to do and give me everything you got. He said, even if you make a mistake, we can't correct the mistake. We can't correct that effort now.

Make sure you make that mistake on full speed. A hundred miles an hour, Ocho. A hundred miles an hour. And I had an old school coach in Dan Reeves who played for Coach Landry who he played for him. He coached up under. Man, Ocho, you know, I made

the Broncos basically because of special teams. I was held. Man, we played the Raiders. Now, obviously, they see all the training camp stuff, the preseason game. Hell, I'm making all the tackles. So what do you think they do to me? They double me.

I knew you were going to say that, double. I bet you split that shit right up, huh? No, Ocho. Ocho. You know, I didn't know any better. Ocho, I thought, okay, once I get double, I can just tell the coaches they doubled me, and it was good. Right.

Coach Reed called me to his office, put the tape on, they doubled me. He said, that's not good enough. That's not good enough. He said, I've seen you beat double teams. He said, you know know we still cut players during the season say no more fam say no more fam

you ain't got to say no more to me he never had he never had that conversation he never had another conversation with me again I tell you what that next that next week

yeah double who what double mint that's about it a conversation with me again. I tell you what, that next week. Yeah. Double who? What? Double mint. That's about it. Ocho, but see, back then, see now,

they don't let you line up. You can't go until the kicker kicks the ball. Right. Back when I played Ocho, I got 15 yards. Mm-hmm.

And when I hit that line, Yeah. by the time that front line turned the block I shoved him to the ground I'm back there Ocho I'm back there I'm back there and all I'm trying to do and it was me

Al Montgomery, Lilo Lang and a dude named Raleigh Halliburton and I just say we know kind of which way the return was going to go I said all I'm asking you to do to make him check his feet because I'm coming with that ear hole shot. Right. Oh, Joe, I'm trying to get...

Look, I ain't trying to put you out for the season, but if I could knock one of them, Mel Gray or Tim Brown or one of them good-ass returners, Eric Metcalf. Eric Metcalf. Or Cleveland. Cleveland. Cleveland at the Falcons or Cleveland? Cleveland.

Cleveland. I got to be Cleveland. You was a real deal. Real deal. And I was a gunner on putt. Hey, they couldn't double me on putt now. They couldn't double me on putt. I put that thing like the Incredible Hulk.

Think about putting him down. Think about putting him down. Yeah. And so that's what made me feel. That's why Ocho, if you notice, I don't make excuses because my grandmother and grandfather

never gave me that opportunity to make an excuse. Yeah. Either you did or you didn't. I don't need to hear why. I just need to know you did it. I like my coaches. Coach Reeves,

Mike never gave me an opportunity to make it. He's like, hey, he's like, 84, do you know who you are? I don't care. I don't care who they put on you. Right. I got my money on you. To hear him say that, to hear number seven say, hey, I'm coming to you.

Man. Yes. Hey, that's a good feeling too. Well, that's a good feeling. Y'all didn't follow? See, Ocho, people won't do right because they're still trying to spam Teddy Bear.

They just won't do right. See, Ocho, I don't know. I don't know how we have a contest without people, you know, they just won't do right. I don't know. What do you mean they spam? You said not the spam. You said teddy bear in the Instagram. And you would they do. But they still doing it. They still doing it. So what? So we're going to have to you know, we're going to probably have to go to YouTube and ask them what's the way that we can have a contest

and actually because it's so many people we can minimize it when it's only five right or maybe ten but when you start getting forty

right you can see the problems that we're running into what if we what if we just make less people? Hold on, hold on. Okay. So what we're going to do,

we're going to go back through the logs and we're going to manually, to avoid another little tank situation, we're going to go back and pick 40 winners from the 60 seconds after the announcement. So, and we'll reach out to the 40 winners tonight and post the final list of the 40 winners tomorrow on Instagram in the morning.

That's what we're going to do. Because y'all won't do right. We try, but y'all won't do right. So since y'all won't do right, we're going to do right. But now you just make it, you just, I mean, when people do stuff like this ocho yeah it

makes you not want to do it anything else yeah i mean i'm i'm i mean it's uh i i can understand obviously i'm trying to i'm putting myself in their shoes i'm seeing it from their lens and understanding and wanting to win and have an opportunity to win but obviously on our end i understand your frustrations obviously and wanting to give back and give people the opportunity to win. But obviously on our end, I understand your frustrations, obviously, and wanting to give back and give people the opportunity to win. But it's hard

because the first thing you said before we even started the giveaway was you said, listen. The key word. Listen. To make it easy. And no spamming. And what a guy,

and what a nigga do. I know it's hard. It's hard. It's hard. I love y'all though. I love y'all. though. I love y'all. Unculture J. That's one thing about Unculture J.

He be asking me questions. He be in here. Hey, Unc, I'm getting Invisalign installed tomorrow. What kind of dinner work did you get done? And what has it done for you physically or mentally? You know your boy. You know, I get to that. Man, look here.

Ocho, I've always said, I said now, if I ever were to come into some money, I'm going to get my teeth fixed. I'm going to get, you know, I ain't finna be all in people's face, cheesing and peesing it,

and they got me out here looking like the Cavity Creek. Right, right. I ain't going to have no the cavity creek I ain't gonna have no rotten teeth I ain't gonna have no teeth missing I'm gonna get my teeth fixed and so I'm very self conscious about my teeth I go through a tube of toothpaste

a week damn a week? a week I brush my teeth on average about somewhere between 7 and 10 times a day. God damn, Unc. That's like the little cartoon characters, man. I brush my teeth two times before I leave the house in the morning to go to do first take.

What? I brush my teeth before I go down to eat breakfast. I go back upstairs and brush my teeth again. As Ash, I get to work, I go to the bathroom and brush my teeth again. So I brush my teeth three times before I go on air. I come home. I get to work, I go to the bathroom and brush my teeth again. So I brush my teeth three times before I go on air. I come home, I eat,

I brush my teeth again. I'll take a 30-minute nap. I get up, I'll brush my teeth before I go to the gym. I come home, I'll brush my teeth again. You're doing,

that's enough goddamn brushing. I got it. How many goddamn toothbrushes you go through now? That's a little too much. I go through, I go through, I many goddamn toothbrushes you go through now? That's a little too much. I go through, I go through, I change my toothbrush

every two weeks. Every? You know how much toothbrush is causing you to go through it every two weeks? I do. Yeah, I go through. Hey, Oral-B,

kick your boy up. I need a deal. Man, listen. I go through Oral-B 60 soft. That's the one I use. I go through, I change my toothbrush every two weeks. Man, you tri use. I go through, I change my toothbrush

every two weeks. Man, you tripping. Baby, how often I change my toothbrush? Man, that thing probably all the way down like you've been scrubbing tires with it.

Shit, probably. Yeah, she changed my toothbrush. I ain't got time for all that. I go through like, I go through a big thing of Listerine

every two weeks. I'm with you on that. Now, through like, I go through a big thing, a Listerine. Yeah. Every two weeks. I'm with you on that. Now, what I do do, what I do do, obviously because I smoke cigars, I don't brush as often as you do. But after I smoke,

then I'll brush. Yeah. I can't come in the house. I can't kiss my kids. I can't kiss my baby. Obviously, I don't have no animals. So, I ain't kissing no animals. But I always brush then.

Yeah. Let me think. What else? What else? That's pretty much it. You are a little bit excessive with yours. I am. Oh, you're a little bit excessive.

Obviously, I do the normal routine. You get up in the morning, you wash your face, you brush your teeth, you eat breakfast. And sometimes, listen, I hate to say this. People might be like, man, you crazy, you tripping. Sometimes when you brush your teeth in the morning before breakfast, the toothpaste, it throws off the taste of your goddamn food. I don't know if anybody agree with me with that. I'm just, it's happened to me a few times where shit don't even taste the same because you got that minty taste in your mouth and the Listerine in your mouth and you're going to eat and shit don't even taste the same. But that's just.

Yeah, it don't taste the same either. When your breath smell like everybody passed gas in the world at once. God damn. That's bad. God damn. But that's my biggest fear. If someone were to tell me my breath stink. Your mind stink?

Yeah, man. Like house party? Like house party? Like dragon? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But I keep,

I keep, I keep, I keep Listerine tablets. I keep, you know, like I said, I brush my teeth probably about,

I say on average about eight times a day. Damn. But you know what's funny? Now that you mentioned it because you know I smoke cigars. I smoke two or three cigars a day damn but you know what's funny now that you mentioned it because you know I smoke cigars I smoke two or three cigars a day now me and this one here

behind me when we first met obviously to your case and point of not wanting anybody to say you know you got a little

you know you're a little tart you know your breast yeah yeah yeah so the fact that I smoke cigars so much what I always did is when we first met in the corners of my mouth i always had two

peppermints i always had two peppermints so even if i am smoking and we're conversing it still smells minty or that that that peppermint you know smell when i do talk nah we four years in i don't even care no more yeah i didn't i didn didn't got you now. I'm good. Yeah, yeah. I can't, I can't. They like, you know, that's what everybody says, the same thing. Right.

You good, you know, I just, it's an obsession now. So now, this is the funny thing. If you have this obsession and it's very, what I consider, and I'm sure other people in the chat would consider very excessive, what about the woman that you're dealing with does she also have to take after

no no no no i let them i let them you know that's just me but i think a part but they do probably brush their teeth a little more than they normally would if they're around me right because like i said i brush my teeth i leave the house at 6 a.m. I brush my teeth twice. Before you even leave? Twice. Before I eat and after I eat. And then I brush my teeth again when I get to work.

God. Well, you ain't... I know my sister. My sister say, Shannon, ain't that much brushing in the world. So you gonna brush, say, say,

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I'm a neat freak. Right. Oh, so you got OCD. You got that. I do. Ocho. Ocho. I vacuum my kitchen. I wipe down. I spray. Ocho. I vacuum my kitchen.

I wipe down my plate. I spray Lysol. You vacuum the kitchen? Vacuum the kitchen. I Lysol wipe. Wait, the vacuum. I know you got tile in the kitchen. Why are you using the vacuum on tile?

You just put them up. But just in case. Just in case. I used to. I used to. I used to. But see, what I used to do, Ocho, I did break this habit. Right.

I used to vacuum, and then I would swiffer it. Ah, yeah. I got to swiffer. So I was like, man, I said, maybe I'm doing too much. But I wiped out all the countertops. I washed the dog's bowls out, make sure they don't have any food left in their bowls. I picked their stuff.

I don't want rats. I don't want bugs. I don't want any of that stuff coming into the house. I hang up all the towels. everything is hung up nice and neat. You know, everything is situated. I know, I know, but I can't help it now. You know, I like that and see, I get to a point where I have to,

where it clicks in or I get into that mood and remember when I had to do chores, you know, we had to do chores when you was a little kid. Yes. I let stuff and I'm going to be honest with, you know, with the people at home, I don't care what you think about me. I got, I let it get bad. You know, I let, I let it get bad before I actually get to the point where, okay, you know what? This is enough. I can't find what I'm looking for. Let me clean this up. Okay. The towels are piled up now. Okay. You know what? It's

time to wash. Oh no. Yeah. I, no. Yeah, I'm the complete opposite. It got to get a little out of hand. I can't leave anything on the floor. I can't leave anything on the floor, Ocho. I can't leave socks on the floor. I can't leave socks on the floor. I can't leave anything. Oh, boy.

Oh, shh. Boy, you're happy. Boy, you're walking my place and be like, man, shit, what the hell you got going? My shit like a dorm room. Oh, yeah. My shit like a goddamn dorm room

until I feel like, you know what? Okay, enough is enough. If one of them Saturdays click in and I get in that mood, I put on some music, I put on some Sinatra,

open the blinds and just get to cleaning up, get to cleaning myself. Oh, I do. I do that. I mean, sometimes I go through, like, I turn on some music, I start listening

to old school stuff and then I'll just, I'll clean by, you know, go through, like, I turn on some music, I start listening to old school stuff, and then I'll just clean by, you know, go through all the drawers, straighten everything up. I'm a clean guy. And anytime you hear, like, okay, he clean it. He clean it. And my kids know.

I'm a senior pitcher. I'm a senior pitcher. I can't even get in my closet. Oh, no. I can't even get in my closet. So when I't even get it i can't even get in my closet so when i open the door i gotta squeeze through the door because there's so many clothes that people have given me and sent for me to wear and i don't go nowhere and it's so much to the point to where everything is hung up in the closet but i can't open the door because there's so much stuff in the middle of my damn closet i i kid you not i I kid you not. And I'm stuck and I just haven't

gotten that mood yet. You know what? I need to sit down on a Saturday start in the morning and go through the whole house. And you know, but to answer your question physically it gives you great confidence that you know that people oh, you have a great smile. Oh, you have pretty teeth. Things like that. I mean, it gives you.

Ocho, I talk for a living. People looking in my mouth two, three hours a day. Yeah. I can't, I mean, and a lot of times I'm in people's face. Man, man, man, ooh. That joke of breath smell like get back. You know what I'm saying? It smell like a bucket of chinstrap.

Right. I can't have that, Ocho. Yeah. So it kind of happened. And look, I remember growing up, we had to cut. Remember how you had to cut the toothpaste, Ocho? Yeah. You just didn't throw the tube away.

You had to cut it in half and stick your toothbrush down in there and get it. Get it out. We run out of toothpaste and Grant ain't going to have no money until payday. We got to use baking soda. So I've always said, man, Ocho, my executive assistant, she'll buy 32, 42 of the toothpaste at a time. God damn. She'll buy 15 of those big things of Listerine. Right.

She'll buy this mouth rinse. She'll buy 20 of those. So you'd be killing Costco. What y'all got, Costco or Sam's idea? Well, they got both of them. I go to Target.

Oh, Target, okay. Right now, I got 25 toothbrushes. Ocho, let me tell you what I did. You know what I did, Ocho? They had a sale on deodorant. Wait, what you use? There's so many different brands.

I've used the same deodorant since 1986. Mitchum. Mitchum? Mitchum. Man, that's the old Mitchum. Remember the movie Cocoon? Yeah, the old man was using Mitchum. Mitchum. Man, that's the old Mitchum. They was, you remember the movie Cocoon? Yeah, the old man was using Mitchum and Cocoon. Boy, that's back in the 80s.

86. I bought, they had it on sale one time, Ocho. Yeah, how many you bought? 35. Oh, Joe, if it's something like I use, and it go on sale, I get it. Yeah. Matter of fact, I can, you know,

I'm sitting here laughing at you. You talk about how you bought 35. You know what I buy a lot of? What at? What I shy with and what I use on my face. If people see me in person and the first line they say, you have no blemishes and your skin is clear.

What's your facial... What's the word? Routine. Routine. I tell them the lie. I ain't got no facial routine. I use fair and white black soap from the beauty supply store in the hood. If the hood runs out of the fair and white black soap that I use fair and white black soap from the beauty supply store in the hood.

If the hood runs out of the fair and white black soap that I use, I have my baby ordered off Amazon. What I shot with, what I've been shot with for years, even when I was in the league, I used dial cranberry bar soap. I don't know what it is. I have an obsession with that

dial cranberry black soap. Matter of fact, hold on, hold on. Baby, do me a favor, baby. Oh, you can't? Okay, don't worry about it. I have my soap right there on me too. Ocho, you know what? I was one of the first ones. I used to I was one of the reasons why they started

like, y'all probably have hand towels now. Right. We had hand towels then. You like the loofah? I hate that loofah shit. No, I used to cut the towels up. Right. We had hand towels then. You like the loofah? I hate that loofah shit. No, I used to cut the towels up. Ocho, I started doing this

in college. Ocho, you remember like you had community showers so the showers right there, you next to each other. Right. Bro, how you gonna hand

somebody the soap, the bar soap, you just took it out your booty cheeks? And think I'm about to wash my face and I'm finna wash my body and you just took the soap out your booty.

Oh, no. Oh, no way, Jose. Hey, but listen. What I did, obviously, I was one of the few players that had bar soap, so nobody was asking to use my soap, but all the rest of my teammates

back then when I was playing, it was some type of peppermint soap in the... Yeah, in the cylinder. The liquid. And when you shower with it, it make your body tingle or some shit. And everybody was using that.

Everybody was using that. Nah, see... Yeah, I don't like that. I brought my own. I like my boss soap. I brought my own. I brought my own. Used my own.

Nobody has to borrow it? I ain't letting no... Ocho, you think I'm finna let you wash your pubic hair and your butt with my soap and you gonna put it back in my soap dish? Oh, so you didn't use the liquid? I brought my own. So your teammates be ask...

Your teammates ask for it? They get it all the time. I'm not letting you use my bar soap and you put it in your butt. Oh, you're saying bar soap. Okay, you have bar soap. I thought you had the liquid. But I ended up getting the shower gel. Yeah, you can use it. I don't care

about the shower gel. But when I had the bar soap, you know, guys back there, they soaping it up and, hey, don't let me get that. No, I'm good, girl. You keep it. Man, you got pubic hair all on the soap, but did you think I was going to put it back in my dish? And I'm going to wash my face and it just came out of my chair. Oh, no, I can't do that, man.

Ocho, you know I'm telling the truth. That's why you laughing. I said, oh, no, dog. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. They like it. Hey, boy. Hey, boy, them's some memories, boy.

Boy, them's some memories. Hey, what about shower shoes? You have anybody ever tried to put on your shower shoes? Oh, boy. Boy, them's some memories. Hey, what about shower shoes? You have anybody ever tried to buy you shower shoes? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I never go in there. Bro, I never understood that, how guys would go in the bathroom. Barefoot. Barefoot.

Guys peeing on the floor. And you watch guys pee in the shower. And you walk in. I said, come on, dude. And y'all really think I'm about to come over to you? I said, man, I put shoes on to go into your house, let alone talk about taking shoes off. Oh, no.

As a matter of fact, I just bought a new pair of Timbs to come to your house. I'm wearing Timbs to your house. Hey, listen, but that locker room man, that shower man is hilarious. Oh, Joe, there shower, man, is hilarious. There was a picture of me. It was today.

It's that like when I broke the record, you know, I had the Gatorade bottle. I saw you. I saw you. I saw you drinking it. You had 12 for 214, something like that, right?

And my lips, and people like, your lips are on the bottle. Ocho, you better tell people we used to drink out the same cup. Yeah.

I mean, hey, dog, let me get a swig of that. And you didn't think anything about it until I found out you better tell people we used to drink out the same cup yeah I mean hey dawg let me get a swig of that and you didn't think anything about it until I found out what y'all was doing behind closed doors

I had to stop that but you ain't know what people was doing behind closed doors not to the extent yeah well but you know cause we came up

we came up in an era and I ain't saying guys didn't do that but guys didn't brag about it right right it's a little different yeah yeah it's a little different you know you listen from from the toe to the rooter to the tutor and you know you don't do that slip of the tongue ain't nobody for you right around the corner might as well drop in oh no oh oh oh no Oh, no. Oh, no, Ocho. Oh, no, no, no, no. Listen, we're going to get you.

It's only been two months. We're going to work on you. We're going to get you. You know, Ocho, you know, back in the day. Hey, bro, let your boy get a bite of that. Okay, here you go. Yeah. Man, I found out what they was doing.

I threw the whole sandwich away. I threw my whole meal away. You done took a bite of that? Oh, no. In the trash, he go, I ain't even hungry no more. Hey, I'm like, who was that in life? No, I don't talk about about no in the trash and go any longer no more. Hey, I'm like I'm like In life now only won't that I had to look at that on long bath time After you know, have you took a bite of mine? Yeah

You got a little bit man, you got a little dude, so that's that was taught me right there Oh Joe Okay, you know back in the day. grew, you know, I grew up with, we drank out of the same, hey Sean, give me a swig of that. Yeah. Here you go, bro.

Yeah. And then I found out what they were doing, Ocho. Nah. That's how my, but see, my grandfather used to do that. He's like,

we buy a soda. He's like, oh, here you go. Hey, let your papa knock the poison off of it. Boom, boom,

boom. And now we get half the soda back. Yeah, that's the poison. He's not knocking the poison. That was that much poison in there? It wasn't that much poison in there, papa. But you know, Ocho, y'all a different breed now. These new cats, they new, they different.

They different. I mean, listen, I mean, what you got to do is you got to understand, Uncle, as we evolve, you know, as technology advances, we have to advance as well as humans. Hey, hold on. Hold on. Before you go, anybody that's DMing Ash about the giveaway will also be discused. God damn. I'm the only person that can DM Ash.

She does everything that she possibly can not to get caught on camera. And we pulled the camera out, I ain't never seen somebody, she could outrun Sha'Carri Richardson. Hey man, you pulled that goddamn camera out on Ash! Joy, don't you do it! Joy!

Ash, go! You know Abby Stein, the fast white girl from America hey boy she could go now I bet you we pull the camera and I bet you Ash beat on a 50 I bet Ash

beat on a 50 so Juliana Howard asked do you think it's hard to get into the NFL now or was it harder to get in

when you guys were there well probably it's a little easier now because here's the thing, Ocho. They got 20 practice squad guys. Oh, yeah. So that's a, even though you might, you're in the NFL, if you're

on the practice squad, you're in the NFL. Yeah. You get the NFL checks. Good money, too. Good money. Ocho, them Jokers making, they making more money on the practice squad than what I made in the league and I was playing. That's good money,

good money. Yeah, good money. I told you, I made 63.5 my rookie year. I remember I got my first check, I cashed the whole check, went to the bank, cashed the whole check,

laid it out on my bed. God, don't make it sticky. Woo, look at that money. I ain't never seen so many hundred dollar bills. Good God, I'm about it. Oh yeah, I cashed that money don't got it I can't but you remember I told you Ocho I used to get my check they sent me my check I got my check you went up there and got it yourself huh yeah dude named Alex I never forget that was the guy in payroll I built that thing early Alex I know you in the

open up let me get that let me get that that well get it went and got my I built that thing early. Alex, I know you in there. Open up. Let me get that. Let me get that. Well, got it. Went and got my check. Cash that thing. Laid it out on the bed. I ain't never seen so much money in my life, Ojo. I'm like, oh, my goodness.

What you did with it? You kept it? Or you just. I just wanted to see. I just wanted to see what like. I think I think I think my check was like. Because we got paid. We got paid in Denver.

We got paid. On the first and the 15th. So we got paid we got paid in denver we got paid on the first and the 15th so we got paid twice a month barbara we got i think we got paid weekly yeah we got paid weekly too in denver we got paid twice a month i think my check because you got to understand 63.5 divided up into into like nine weeks so it was like four thousand forty eight hundred dollars like maybe yeah something like that i'm like i i always thought about i always always thought about speak speaking of checks i always thought about people that take being in the NFL for granted. Sometimes you get second chances.

Sometimes you don't. Sometimes people get three and four and five chances. And then I think back and I look and I try to think of all the jobs that are in the world, all the things that you can do in the world that can bring in that kind of income weekly. That can bring in that kind of income weekly. That can bring in that kind of income weekly. And it's like, I want to talk to some of the dudes sometimes that are continuously

having problems or issues, whether it be on the field, whether it be off the field. Yeah. I just want to sit down and talk to them. I say, bro, you don't understand.

You done worked for this, man, since you was a baby. Your whole life. Your whole life. When you finally get here, this is what you want to do. Sometimes, sometimes some of us don't get no second chance sometimes we don't get no second chance yeah so i see i see some of these dudes sometime like when you plan you plan with you plan with your childhood dream yeah you're taking You're taking shit for granted now.

When it's gone, it's over. It's over. Over. I tell guys the same thing, Ocho. You got an opportunity to make $20, $50, $100, $200 million.

And you're going to mess it up to do what? Why? You know, million and you're gonna mess it up to do what why you know that ain't maybe maybe let that person i hate this is what i hate when people that are not in that situation or don't haven't been in that situation right man let that man live his life do you realize what you're saying do you really sound do you understand how dumb you sound yeah knowing that you wouldn't mess that situation up who said oh let that man live his life and mess up 200 million mess up 300 million dollars really yeah how about this how about get that 300 million once you get that 300 million if you want to act a defu have at it but not before you get that money money right right

so crazy ocho sometimes they they need to let us out sometimes they need to let me come to rookie orientation but that's another story dan perkinson asked hey oh that shade hit differently hey that shade by laporte hey that thing good ain't it ocho what's your favorite cigar love the podcast y'all done took over late night lovecho, what's your favorite cigar? Love the podcast. Y'all done. Took over late night. Love you guys. What's your favorite cigar, Ocho? My favorite cigar is obviously mine.

The Boa Vida. The Boa Vida. Very smooth. Yeah, the Boa Vida would probably be my favorite. My second favorite would probably be Lunatic. Lunatic cigar, 70 gauge. I really like it. It's real short, almost a nub. A little peppery, a little strong, but it's

my second favorite. And my third would be the Andalusian Bull. The Andalusian Bull, I think it might've been Cigar of the Year 2015, maybe. And those are my top three. Obviously, my Cigar is my favorite. And those are my top three. Well, you ain't sent me no cigarsars so i don't know what my favorite is well you know you know what i i've never seen you with a stick before i've never seen you stick i didn't even know you smoke now do you i've never seen you

with a cigar now i know i know you're drinking your cognac yeah your la porte how you say it i want i want to butcher it la portia yeah yeah you got no you How you say it? I want to butcher it. La Portier. Yeah. Yeah, you got to say it. You got to say it like your friend, La Portier. Yeah. That ain't good. Hey, hey, hey.

That La Portier? Yeah. With a stick? Yeah. That thing hit. I don't drink. I ain't never had no alcohol. Tell real.

I'm going to say real about it. Real or tell you about it? Nah, she drank like a fish. Don't do that. Nah. Nah, nah, nah.. Nah, she drain like a fish. Don't do that. Nah, nah, nah, nah. She drain like a fish. Oh, it's smooth? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, because she get to stumbling. She get to stumbling and don't know where she at. I can't deal with that. Ocho, somebody got us a new, ooh, just a great question here. I'm interested to see how you're going to answer this. Okay. Darius Allen asks, Unc and Nocho,

if you guys are starting a new franchise and your quarterback options are Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, who you taking? Holy shit. Oh! God damn, that's a good one. Let me take my goddamn glasses off for this one. Damn, that's a good one.

Ooh. You want me to go first you I mean you can't go wrong either way you go that's like ask me to choose between the musical taste or listen to goddamn Beyonce or listen to Rihanna you know both different styles both phenomenal artists

and what they do but either way you go is it a wrong answer right now you're telling me right now both different styles, both phenomenal artists and what they do. But either way you go, is it a wrong answer? Right now? You're telling me right now? This is my franchise right now. You're changing the question? No, he said, he said,

if you guys are starting a new franchise and your quarterback options are Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson, who you taking? Right. I'm taking Jalen.

But you changed the question and said like right now based on what they're doing right now. I'm taking Lamar. Okay, you starting the franchise. I'm taking Jalen. But you changed the question and said like right now based on what they're doing right now. I'm taking Lamar. Okay, you starting to franchise. You got a franchise before or you got the franchise now?

Right. I'm taking Jalen. I like Lamar. I like Lamar. I mean, I like, God damn, I like both of them. That is a difficult question. I think. That is a difficult question.

That's difficult. And you know what I think it also comes down to? You line up 20 people and you ask them the same question. It's all based on preference and who and what they like. I think for me, Jalen Bilt is a little bit more durable. He's a little bit more sturdy. From the waist down, he's going to be able to take the pounding a little bit more durable. He's a little bit more sturdy. Yeah. From the waist down, he's going to be able to take the pounding a little bit more.

Pause. Obviously. Pause. Okay. A man that can squat 600 pounds, Ojo, you know he's going to be able to. And so for me, and having seen the progression that Jalen has made,

I'm going to go Jalen. Yeah. I would go Jalen. And Eljo and seeing, man, look here. That fourth quarter, if you ain't up by 25, if you ain't up by two, three touchdowns. They coming back and winning. He coming.

He coming. He coming back and winning. I like. He coming. He coming back and winning. I like that. He coming. I like that. I mean, it's not a bad choice, but obviously I would probably lean towards Lamar Jackson. Lamar? Okay.

Yeah, and understanding what he can do. Obviously, he has developed himself into being now a pure pocket passer and only running when he needs to run. Obviously, they do have play designed for him to run and where he can be efficient with both his arm and legs. It makes him that much more dynamic and dangerous, you know, offensively. But again, there's, there's nothing wrong with either, either, either one, either one of you take, you know, it's, there's really no,

no wrong answer is really based on preference. And I love Jalen, but I just, just, I just got, you know, based on the topic at hand and question at hand, I got to go with Lamar. Now, you know we had two choices. You know people are going to say, well, Shannon hating on Lamar again and Ocho hating on Jalen.

Nah, I didn't mean to hate that. That's why I said I love both. I ain't saying I love both. I got a choice. Okay, Ocho, you get burger or you get fried chicken. Just because I chose the burger doesn't mean I hate fried chicken. And just because I chose fried chicken. Now, Ocho, now you know those are my two favorites.

Everybody always wants you to preface it. Bro, just because I like something doesn't mean I hate the other. People, understand, listen to me what I'm saying. Just because I like one doesn't mean I dislike the other. That's why I like to make a disclaimer before I even say anything. So they can't

even say... But now, you put a disclaimer on what? Because of people's feelings. That is what we do. We don't do that, Ocho. You say, hey hey you said you would go with lamar fine i said i'm going with jalen hurts i'm living with that and then whatever ramifications come with that but this notion everybody automatically assumes that if you hey i like the sunshine what you what what is it about the rain that you don't like? Bro, there's a time and a place for that.

I like April showers. Right. But you know that's how it goes. Elijah Basalto. Hey, Uncle Nocho. Y'all are some of the funnest guys I know. Who are some of the funnest guys in your locker room when you guys play? Jordan Palmer.

Me? Check this out, Ocho. You know, I went to school with Red Grant. Oh, Red, Red, funny. Comedian Red? Yeah. Boy, that boy funny. Red, we all knew.

We used to have talent shows. And Red and this other guy named Bernard Mackard matt we call it matt uh rest his soul he uh he passed away several years ago they would do the talent but as far as just joining i'm talking about just see something and just start banging and have everybody could nobody see you boy yeah me it is me uh pastor Ford he was on he was on First State the short guy with the suit he's Ford

we used to call him Big Daddy we had epic battles hey I joined everybody it got so bad they team up on me

they go two three against me but when it comes to just flat I'm talking about just flat out joining couldn't nobody see me at Savannah State. That's funny.

I'm thinking about my teammates that were really funny back then, just naturally funny. Sean Smith. Sean Smith, you know, one of the funniest dudes. Doesn't matter. D. Laman?

Yeah, you know Sean? Yeah. I think he went to the Chiefs. I know him from the Chiefs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Sean. Sean is really funny. Very, very, very funny.

Justin Smith. He was our first round pick. I know him from the Chiefs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Sean. Sean is really funny. Very, very, very funny. Justin Smith. He was our first round pick. I forgot what conference game from. Justin Smith was hilarious. He was very funny. He was a hell of a player, too, though. Yeah, he was very funny. And another person that was very funny that a lot of people wouldn't even know was Carson goddamn Palmer. Really? Carson

had a fucking funny... He was very funny. He had a sense of humor. And it was a little different. And it's not what you expected, especially coming from a quarterback. But him and his brother, Jordan Palmer, were funny. And that was cool. That was cool.

But in Denver, it was kind of like me and Burns. Me and Keith Burns. He's a special teams coach at Tennessee State now. One of my best friends. But he and I was just like, we bagging on everybody else. So everybody always talk about, man, man, why don't y'all ever get on each other?

No, no, no, don't worry about that. Don't worry about us getting on each other. But we gonna get on you. I'm gonna talk about you. Ocho, we would get on guys so bad with the outfit come on, we make them come up out of it. We make them come up out of it. We make them come up out of it we make them come up out of it we make them come up out of it Ocho for sure

when I was in college Ocho I used to run to the bus and you ask a bucket ask anybody that was from 89 to 80 from basically 87, 86 I was my freshman I was a little chill but from 87 to 89 Ocho I'd go get on the bus.

I'd be already dressed because we had to wear shirt and tie, jacket. Hey, I run, get to the bus. I want to see what everybody got on. I'm going to make them come up out of it. Hey, listen, boy,

them was some days. Matter of fact, the early days in Twitter when I was on, the early days on Twitter, me, Lil Duval, Marlon Wayans, and Kevin Hart. Boy, we used to go at it back and forth with the jokes. Man, back and forth. I'm sure the tweets are still there, obviously.

Yeah. And then I used to have ribbon session or Joneson session with New Orleans, the people from New Orleans. Man, me and the people from New Orleans, dude, I love, I love them folks, man, especially my followers on Twitter. We used to go at it for hours, for hours, tweeting insults back and forth. Obviously, now you'd probably get suspended because some of the things we were saying. Oh, yeah. But those were some of the best times on social media when everybody wasn't so sensitive.

Yes. And you could talk trash. You could say what you want to say and understand that it was just jokes. Now, man, everything is messed up. Matter of fact,

speaking of comedians, you ever watch, you remember you remember Messy Maya? Comedian, comedian, very, very, very funny person

from New Orleans. Passed away, passed away a little while ago. Oh, did he? I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, man, he's so funny You know we got all these dudes

We got Druski and Desi And all these guys Oh Desi Banks and Druski You know all those guys Yeah yeah yeah That are funny right now Yeah Listen

A bubble dumb Yeah yeah If Messi Maia was alive That would have been The cream of the crop Country Wayne Yeah yeah Country Wayne yeah

He would have He would have been The cream of the crop As far as you know being funny and creating creating creating content and and going around jonesing and ribbing people oh yeah and he was he was a legend legend but i've had a center entertainment show but i could really do this entertainment i could be a comedian yeah hey you ever been on stage that's it that's it different it is as easy as it sound when

you get up there in front of the crowd it's different right it's it's absolutely i'm more of a like i got jokes right and see what i what a lot of times what i do ocho i would say something right because most of the thing that you're me say, I've said it to my teammates 20, 30 years ago. Right. Right. Right. Rod Smith,

uh, who the wide receiver, and then we call it puts, he's like, y'all know he been saying that same jokes. Y'all just never heard it. Right. We heard,

we heard that 20 plus years ago when I was in, when I was at Savannah State saying the same thing so and what I would do what I do is I try it out I try it out you know

it's easy throw a little something like that okay yeah a little material yeah right right

I said okay I need to add something I need to you know take something back a lot but I remember when I was working at CBS

I'll never forget dude named PK Pat Kerwin when I was working at CBS, I'll never forget. Dude named PK, Pat Kerwin. So I would say things in production meetings. He says, you're not going to be able to say that. And this, he say, but this format is not for you. He says, you need to be somewhere where your full personality can be on display. Right.

I say, he said, what Steve, he said, what Steve and they, and what Bayless does. He said, that's the format you need to be in. Yeah. I say, you think, I say, you think so? He said, yeah. He said, you, he said, with your knowledge, he says, you know everything. You know stats about baseball, basketball, football, track and field, the Olympics, this, that. He say, your knowledge, and then you funny.

He say, you can make anything funny. So, PK, appreciate that because you told me what I should be doing a long time ago even before I thought it was even a possibility. That's live. SM asked, can Nightcap be live at Ocho's wedding? Hey, that's a good...

Baby. Baby. Man, she done fell asleep, man. God! I like that. Man, she's just... She's taking sleep. She's taking sleep in bed.

She be taking night queer. She's probably pregnant. Ain't no telling baby damn oh joe you know what i mean somebody just asked a question and said can we do nightcap live from the wedding yeah she said yeah she liked that you like that yeah she liked that yeah we could do that hey that'd be light that'd be a first, too. Rail must be working the graveyard shift. Every time I turn around, Rail be sleeping. Yeah, baby.

Every time we turn around, you be sleeping. You got to get up early and go to Allentown. Okay, check this out. Push Pine to Gil asks, what's your top five Eddie Murphy movies of all time? Number one. Life for me. Life? Whoa, over Harlem

Nights? I go Life, Harlem Nights, Nutty Professor. I go Norbit. I ain't even got the 48 Hour. I ain't got the Beverly Hills Cop. I go Norbit Eddie got Eddie got the 48 hour Eddie got the Beverly Hills Cop

yeah he got some good ones listen you forgot Golden Child Golden Child you got man Eddie got some good ones man

man look here I could watch Life Harlem Nights uh Nutted Professor the first one the first one you forgot Coming to America.

Coming to America? Oh, yeah. Man, look here. Eddie had them bangers. Yeah, Eddie got some good ones. Yeah, Dreamgirls. Ooh, that's a good one. Dreamgirls, that's a good one. That's a good one.

I would go live, Harlem Nights, Coming to America. Now after that, it's all preference. But I love Norbert too. Hey, Rasmussen.

Rasmussen did Norbert wrong. Rasmussen did it. Rasmussen, you like skinny bitches huh I cry I be crying watching watching Dora but Rashawn Young asked what in life do you appreciate most no matter

not what matters most what aspect of life do you do you appreciate and enjoy the most aspect of life what aspect of life do i enjoy the most you know i i think i wonder can i can I say my freedom? Mm-hmm. My freedom. I think that would be the best aspect that I enjoy the most. My freedom.

My ability to go and do as I please. To be having free reign over my life. Not having to help anybody. You know? My health. Being healthy. Yeah. Because you can't do nothing without that.

Nothing. Nothing without that. That's a good one. Health and my health and my freedom. Really, when it comes down to it, think about it. I saw the guy said, if somebody said, okay, I'll give you $10 million. But you... saw the guy said if somebody said okay i'll give you 10 million dollars but you have to die tomorrow you taking it no for what i'll give you 10 million dollars

but you're gonna be you're gonna lose your health would you take it oh no so when you see when you come down to it everybody think money is the end all be all but think about what you'd be willing to give money up for your health is number one

because no matter how much money someone has they'll spend because even even the Apple guy Steve Jobs

said all the money I got when it comes right down to it, it don't even, what good is it? It doesn't even matter. And so once you start thinking about that, every morning I went,

before I even, before I put my feet on the floor, Ocho, I said, God, thank you for letting me open my eyes, giving me life, health, and strength, the blood running warm in my veins, use of my limbs, and I'm in my right mind. No matter what happens after that,

I can handle it. Yeah. Doesn't matter. All the money in the world don't do you no good if you ain't got no health. At all. What good is that?

What good is that? Nothing. So that's what I appreciate the most. What matters the most, my family and my friends. My kids. Yeah. That's it.

That's it. Yeah. And they know that, too. They take advantage of me, Ocho. They be asking me for, yeah, they be asking me. My youngest daughter talk about, daddy, you on the phone? You know I ain't on no phone. You know damn well I wasn't on no phone. You know, dad, when I

went on the phone, I was sitting in the backyard watching the dog go to the bathroom. Daddy, you on the phone? Nah, I ain't on the phone. What's up? I was wondering, what were you wondering? Well, you know, uh, my car. Yeah. What about it? You know, I had my

car for a while and I was thinking about, you know, I had it since undergrad master's? You know, I had my car for a while and I was thinking about, you know, I had it since undergrad, master's program. Now, I think when I go into residency, I don't think it's going to, I said, oh, you thinking that, huh? So it seems like you're thinking I'm about to get you another one, huh?

Would you? What's in it for me? Am I going to be able to drive it? Am I going to be able to drive it? Am I going to be able to have a key to it? Right. Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, I was like, yeah. I shouldn't have told that story because I'm sure her brother

and her sister are going to be, yeah, they're going to see it. They're going to double back. They're going to double back. Oh, I got a good joke for you. What you got for me? I got a good joke. Chad, I know got for me? I got a good joke. Chad, I know you're all ready.

You know, I'm a comedian now. Yeah, yeah, sure. You all ready? You all listening? Yep. What do you call an ant who likes to be alone? Antelope. No.

Independent. You see what I'm saying, George? That sounds like something George would say. That sounds like something George would say. Ash over your head. Oh, my goodness. Shout out to everyone that commented about the show and has helped us.

Shout out to everyone that commented about the show and has helped us shout out to everyone that's commented about this show and helped us help you all through depression and dark times recently those comments do not go unnoticed guys look when we put this show together we kind of didn't know we kind of knew what we wanted to do we had no idea the kind of direction that it was going to go in we were originally just going

to talk about sports after game because normally when a sporting event ends uh you got to wait 12 14 hours before you actually get an in-depth analysis of what actually transpired and uh i was like okay what if we did something to this you know sitting down with the team said what if we did something like this and so when we started talking about the game, we 30 minutes and we've already talked about the game. Now, what do we talk about? Right now, we found out that talking about life stories,

things that that's relatable to you guys, you guys took a liking to that. And so we want to thank you because it's kind of you that kind of put us on a path to where the show is. Because when Nightcap was originally created, this is not what we envisioned it to be. Not even in the longest. But fortunately for Ocho and myself is that he played the game at a high level. I played the game at a high level. I'm a little older than Ocho. and so I go back a little further,

and I have a few more stories than Ocho, but we're relatable. We're just like the family member, the uncle, the cousin that comes over. I'm the older uncle. He's the young uncle that come over and tell stories. You guys gravitate towards us because you don't know what's true and what's a lie but all of it sounds good so you want to hear it all yeah and everything i say is honest you know it's just life experience that's it it's the guy it's the god on the truth yeah yeah yeah a lot of people oh man you don't realize how many women I see out. And you know what they ask me?

Yeah. Can I order the lobster? I'm like, really? I said, y'all don't want to say, hey, I'm ordering the lobster. That was classic. But that was one for the ages. That was one for the ages. That was one for the ages, Dale Black.

But yes, I think the fans, I mean, look, we're at in less than two months. How long we've had this channel? Two months? Two months. Seven weeks. We've had this seven weeks. Wait, it's only been seven weeks? Seven weeks we've had this seven weeks wait it's only been seven weeks seven weeks we've had this

channel because like the first month we had it it was we was filtering it through club shea shea and i just thought i thought it could be big enough to support itself and i wanted to give it the opportunity to support itself and see and it took off we had 360,000 subs in seven weeks. Wait, we were just at 350. How'd we get to 360 that fast? Yeah, we had 360 now. I think 360. Damn.

Actually, 361. 361, Ocho. Yeah. Oh, but we're going to hit that million now. We're going to hit that million. Oh, we hit a million by January 1st. Well, we got to get off that car. You're paying the taxes. That's fine.

That's fine. If we get, listen, tell your people, tell your family, tell your homies, if we get to a million subs, somebody get in the car. And I got the taxes. One car. We ain't buying no car. We ain't buying no car for five, ten people or forty people. the car. Yeah. And I got the taxes. One car. We ain't buying no car. We ain't buying no car for five, ten people or 40 people.

One car. It's going to be a nice car, too. Practical. Whoa. Oh, yeah. Because I was going to say, let's paraphrase that now. Something simple. Something efficient.

You can get from point A to point B. Yeah. You ain't getting no goddamn bmw and no no audi and nothing like that nah nah it's just something nice you know something real like a kia you know key key is nice you see the new kias no yeah don't worry about it you could google it yeah or h Hyundai Boy Hey the new Hyundai Is nice boy I don't know

I don't know who Is a part of their Creative director program You know what That's what my daughter Asked me for Yeah I gotta check that out

Cause you might be Trying to pull a Okie doke on me No no no She ain't putting A okie doke But god damn I don't know

I don't know what The hell Kia has done And I don't know What the hell Hyundai Has done But god damn They stuff look nice now. Damn, they shit. I'm talking about real good.

You know, I'm a BMW guy myself. BMW? Yeah. And BMW's cool. They cool. Ocho, bro, I'm 55. What you think I should be driving? A Ferrari? Man, at 55, no, a Ferrari is what you did

when you were young. You were in 20s. Exactly. We was playing. Like, at your age, you're supposed to have, like, a Cadillac. You're supposed to have mine. Nah, you're supposed to be driving a Cadillac or a Lincoln or something. I'm driving a BMW, an M70, EV.

Nah, that ain't too long, man. That is me. Get you a Cadillac, get you a Lincoln. What else? If you like a truck, get you a Harley Davidson pickup truck. A F-150, really, bro? Yeah, that's you. I mean, at 55?

A couple of years ago, I almost got a Shelby, though. I almost got that Shelby. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I almost got that Shelby. Yeah, they, okay, okay. I almost got that Shelby. They nice. Yeah, bro. Yeah. No, I got it. Actually, I do. I got an M70 EB. BMW. I think I'm running too.

Hey, all y'all was talking smack. Hey, Marcellus Wiley, Reggie Bush, don't let me catch you on the road with those Teslas. Don't let me catch you on the road. Uh-oh. Okay. So I'm testing you.

Don't let me see you. Yeah. That thing won. I got another joke. What'd you talk about? I got another joke. Tell it. What kind of

aunt is good at adding things up what kind of ant, Ocho? I count ant. Lord have mercy, Ocho. Hey, I thought when you said you could tell you got on stage, I thought you was like telling stuff like, you telling knock-knock jokes on stage? No, I not. Oh, no bullshit. You telling knock-knock jokes on stage? No. When I, oh, no bullshit.

Benji Brown. I don't know if Benji watching, but at the Improv on Tuesdays in Coconut Grove, I tell you no lie, some funny story. I'm sure somebody in the chat probably been there. If you're from Miami, you remember me getting on stage. Whenever the first comic got booed, whenever the first comic got booed, I always finished their set. And the jokes I told were just short stories. And they were always funny. Short stories,

they were always funny. If we got time one time, not tonight, obviously. If we got time, you know, throughout the... You know what? I think I might sit down and write a set.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you know your boy got the joke now. That shit hard, man. That shit hard, man. That shit hard, man. You know, because when you envision your set and your material that you're writing, it has to resonate, and it's all about the delivery.

Yeah. Now, you know I got a delivery now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they got that. Now, you know, I can, hey, the one thing I can do is tell a story, Ocho. Yeah. But see, the thing is, a lot of the stuff, you know, people done got sensitive now. So you can't, see, like, I'm an OC. But see, the thing is, a lot of the stuff, you know, people done got sensitive now. So you can't, see,

like, I'm an OC. That's the hard part. Yeah, man. That's the hard part. Yeah, so I'm just gonna go and keep this to myself. Keep it to myself. It's all good. Like I said, make sure you, hey, thank you guys for clicking that like button. Make sure you click that subscribe button. Make sure you guys

follow the rules. Stay on the lookout for your IG DMs because we'll be reaching out, letting you know if you are the winner. So we'll reach out throughout the night because Ash isn't allowed to sleep. This was her idea. This was her baby. So you know what? You gotta be the midwife and you gotta be the woman that delivered her baby. You gotta stay up

through the night and get this done. And you gotta be to work tomorrow. So she has a lot on her plate over the next 10, 12 hours. Hold on. Oh. But you know what? She get a little reprieve tomorrow because she gets to sleep in. She gets to sleep in on Wednesday. No, she don't. Because we got to leave. We got to go to work. We on the road traveling. So she don't get to sleep in. I'm sorry. She get to sleep in Thursday, though. She can sleep in Thursday. You get to sleep in Thursday. You don't get to sleep in Friday because I know you didn't want the early flight. They're like, six o'clock. Yeah, six.

Get up. I know. You didn't want it. Don't worry. It got back to me. You didn't want to be on the flight. Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Thank you for clicking that like button, that subscribe button.

We're at 361,000. It's all because of you guys. So thank you. Thank you so much for watching another episode of Nightcap. I'm your favorite sports one of your great storytellers and the 12 of us, bro we got more stories than

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