Nightcap - Nightcap - Unc & Ocho react to Browns win over Jets, Broncos Benching Russell Wilson

Episode Date: December 29, 2023

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to the New York Jets squaring off against the Cleveland Browns on NFL Thursday Night Football, Sean Payton making headlines by benching Denver Broncos QB Russell Wilson, Lamar Jackson insisting the Baltimore Ravens are written off as underdogs in the AFC, the Green Bay Packers suspending CB Jaire Alexander for crashing the coin toss in their game against the Carolina Panthers and much more!   06:15 - Browns Beat The Jets 14:30 - Aaron Rodgers Wouldn’t Overcome Jets O-line Issues 23:00 - Flacco Better Than Watson? 25:00 - Russell Wilson Benched 27:00 - Players Shouldn’t Take Pay Cuts 38:30 - Where Could Russ Land? 55:30 - Potential QB’s For Broncos? 01:03:00 - Jaire Alexander Suspended By Packers 01:12:00 - Couples Sleeping In Separate Beds 01:18:15 - Lamar Wants The Ravens To Be Underdogs 01:36:30 - Favorite Denzel Movies 01:49:30 - Top 5 Actors/Actresses 02:02:00 - Devin Hester vs Dante Hall For Best Returner (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #Club #HerdSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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So thank you again. Yeah. Oh, let's jump right into the ball game. The Browns beat the Jets 30 to 20. Man, I thought Ocho, I thought Njoku would go get my record. He had four catches for a buck 13 in the first quarter. Yeah. And I was like, oh, man.

Oh, man, he got me me he got me and uh he cooled down substantially he ended the game with uh six receptions 134 yards on eight targets uh but he had an outstanding game going and joe flacco had it going again uh what he finished with 19 to 29 309 three touchdowns one interception considering i mean he cooled off substantial in the second half he had 296 at the half so he only had 30 he only had 13 yards in the second half yeah they didn't need a whole lot they ran the football but it was the turnovers i think ford fumble i think another guy got it punched out so give uh give the jets credit but what the Jets have going on, Ocho, if they think Aaron Rodgers

is going to solve all the ills with what's going on with that team, they're fooling themselves and they're setting him up for failure. Failure, absolutely not. Listen, I've always said that you and I, we've gone back and forth about Zach Wilson being at the helm

and really not being able to do anything. And a lot of the chirping and a lot of the noise on the outside feels that if Aaron Rodgers was to come back, all of a sudden he would be the savior. If you understand the night, if you look at Trevor Simeon behind center, he had 1.9 seconds to throw the ball. 1.9 seconds. That's not enough time to do anything. That's not even enough time to have a step back, Ocho. Somebody's already in your face. So there's really nothing you can do. There are many woes and many problems that need to be addressed in the offseason before Aaron Rodgers even thinks about stepping behind center. But again, on the

other flip side of things, I want to talk about the Browns. The Browns obviously in playoff contention, making the playoff for the first time since 2020. But I don't like the fact that, I don't know, please help me understand, and you know this too, as well as me, as long as we play the game. Why do games like this, Joe Flacco is having the game of his life. Obviously, another 300-yard game. He had 309. He had 296 at the half. But he had 296-something, whatever it was at the half.

But then we get into the second half, and all of a sudden, Stefanski and whoever else is calling the plays, they step off the gas all the way, all the way off the ground. If Chief, I call him Chief, if Cheek and Joko had a first half like that, why not continue? Why not continue that momentum? Why not continue what they were doing in the first half in the second half and have that carry over into the next game and then into the playoffs that is

great momentum for your team that is great confidence for your team especially from an offender standpoint with a quarterback that's only been there for five weeks yeah but why come off the gas i don't understand why a team do that. It makes no sense. It does no show. But you know, the thing is, is that look, they got a decent running game. It's not what it would be had they had Nick Chubb and Ford can run the football. But I think the thing is, is that it's easy to say we should have stepped on it.

But it cost the Falcons the Super Bowl. Remember when they should have been running the ball? They still full speed ahead. And guess what happened? Incomplete, incomplete. Patriots get the ball you have a turnover ball again and the next thing you know had you just run the football you could have just run the football three or four series right and there wouldn't have been enough time but because you kept stopping the clock and you turn the ball over on a short field. Now you give a team an opportunity to get back in the ball game. So I understand. And even though selfishly I would have liked to seen in Joe,

who see what type of game he could have had, had they kept going. Yeah. I understand Stefanski and his rationale and thinking, because you know what we're going to say. You let that team come back after you done had them down like that. And you getting reckless with the ball, throwing it all over the place. When you forward you have kareem hunt people gonna look

at you like what did you do you just cost your team a playoff spot yeah but you have to think about this huh you have to think about how they plan defensively if you only got 1.9 seconds to even throw the ball they were running the ball decent really not not really effective enough to even come back in this game why not continue to pour it on and pour it on dude what that does for your team confidence and that team offensively mentally to go on and win a game like that even if it is the new york jets that carries on to the next game and what happens when it carries on to the next game it carries right on over into the playoffs get the did he just get the touchdown?

Flacco threw a pick, ran it back. How did he get the field goal? Fumble? That was unfortunate, though. The dude tipped the ball. He was trying to throw it to the flat. Okay, you're right. He should have threw it in the ground. He should have threw it in the ground. Hey, think about this. Remember what happened Monday night? How many of those balls got tipped that Brock Purdy

got picked? Three of them. Okay, you're right. All three of them. He had four. The first one in the end zone was clean. All the rest of them got popped up in the air. Right, okay. It snowballs on you. I get what Stefanski said, and like I said,

selfishly, you and I, we see Joe Flacco has 296 at the half, and you say, we step on the game. I mean, we keep the pedal to the metal. What could it have been? But then on the flip side. About 58. 58.

At the rate they was going. Like, it didn't even look like the Browns. Just in general. When I think about the Browns offense and what I saw tonight in that first half, I'm like, who in the hell are they? Who the fuck are these people? With no Amari Cooper. With no Amari Cooper. With no Cooper.

And they didn't miss a beat. They didn't miss a beat. I mean, he had long Joe Flacco and Joe Coo had a long of 43. Elijah Moore had a long of 24. Ford had a long of 50. Atkins had a long of 28. So, I mean, there were deep shots. And we know Joe Flacco has a big time arm.

And the one that he threw to Ford for the 50-yarder, he's rolling to his left, and he sides-arms it. And we know Joe Flacco isn't known for his mobility. So for him to get out of harm's way, change arm angle, and get the ball to forward, and let forward do the rest,

it just shows that this offense is really, really good. The defense was hunting tonight, but I mean, what am I supposed to say? Ocho, I think you and I could have got a sack or at least a hit on the quarterback against that offensive line. That offensive line good and terrible. It's tough.

Do you think, I hate to say this, and I'm not going to say it because I know what it's like being on a losing team. You think they're giving up? Nah, they're just bad. I mean, the offensive linemen, as big as they are, I looked at Makai Becton. Bruh, he's

their best play. He's giving up 11 sacks, most in the NFL. Second most penalty yard. Second most penalties called against. I mean, the dude can't block the sun out of his eyes.'s six seven three hundred and fifty pounds man come on you can't block the sun out of that you should ain't no way you should be that big and that bad and i get that's miles garrett but at some point in time miles garrett ain't just finna keep beating on me i'm gonna win

some of these battles i ain't say you got to win them all because miles garrett is one of the top players in the league and he's played and he's paid a premium but at some point in time damn son yeah i mean i know i know what you mean but again that is miles garrett i mean there's certain players when it comes to it if you if you beat consistently throughout the game it's because you're playing against a premium player like a miles garrett a tj watt or um who else one of the one of the most i don't care if it's miles garrett micah parson tj watt and whoever else one you not been to beat me every single play i mean at some point in time, Ocho, pride got to kick in, regardless of who you're lined up against.

But listen, even think about this. Think about as prideful as he may be, as prideful as he wants to be. There's a skill set gap. No matter what you do in that game, that person across from you will always be better than you. But you got to win one. Pride might kick in. You got to win one. Ocho, my brother was always be better than you. But you got to win one. Pride might kick in. You got to win one. Ocho, my brother was three years older than me.

We fought all the time. I got me a couple of licks here. I got me a couple of licks. Listen, you got you a couple of licks because you win. Here's the thing. That's all I'm saying. You might not win, but you got to stop him on a few plays. Okay.

You're right. You're right. You're right. I like the pride thing because you are playing. If you're not playing for the Jets, you like i like the pride time i like the pride thing because you are playing if you're not playing for the jets you are playing for the name on the back of that goddamn jersey and you got to step up i had a uh i had a college coach said that when he when you go out he was and he told him bill davis my college coach at savannah state he said yes do not recruit offensive linemen he said i don't ever want y'all to go recruit any offensive linemen. He said, I don't ever want y'all to go recruit any offensive linemen. He says, I want

all defensive linemen. He said that we get defensive linemen and they can't play defense. We can move them to offensive line and they can play offense. He said, because if you get an offensive lineman and he can't play, you got a big ass equipment manager on your hand. That's a good one. That's what you got

Ocho. Where can you move him? Tell me where you can move an offensive lineman he can't play defense because he doesn't have the mentality mentality yeah but then obviously there's a certain mentality that you have you have to have to play offensive line especially the left half

especially the black yeah especially the blind side now listen that's the most important position on the offensive line the blind side to the quarterback unless you're left handed that's your money that's your money man that's your chess piece the most important position on the offensive line. The blind side to the quarterback, unless you're left-handed, that's your money. That's your money, man. Yes. That's your chess piece. The most important chess piece.

So you got to be able to play. You got to be nimble. You got to be agile. You got to be able to dance on air. Hey, your footwork, man. Your footwork got to be special. You got to be able to kick. You got to be able to kick and anchor down.

That's why they're putting them boy dogs on the open side. That's why you have those guys over there. That why you see the miles garrett's over there that's what the uh the open side where you saw the derrick thomas lt mainly lined up on that side but it didn't matter what lt lined up this is why you know lt is the greatest defensive player because joe gibbs put an offense in just for him. The H-back position was created. The extra tight end was created for Lawrence Taylor. And everybody in the NFC, he made two positions famous, the left tackle and the edge linebacker,

because everybody went and got him. If you couldn't block LT, you couldn't beat the Giants. So Minnesota, they went and got the Gary Zimmerman. And the 49ers went and got Steve Wallace. And you go look at the teams that went and got somebody, especially to deal with 56. To block LT and nobody succeeded. No.

No. I mean, Washington, you know what they were called. They're the commanders now. they they got uh joe jacoby they went and got they traded for jim lachey i've been talking about two and jacoby i said if i'm not mistaken i think he's on the hall of fame ballot this year or he went in last year but i think he's on the ballot this year uh but you look at the teams in the nfc that went and got drafted or traded for premium left tackle because hey i think jumbo covert the bears because i mean you you had to get there was no way around it you had to deal with it right right and he wasn't a guy and the thing is you know he's gonna be on the edge the difference

between he and reggie reggie i mean reggie's turning the handle he turned him on your center on your guard on on your tackle. And he just did one of these open. And then when he found out it was open, he could wear him out all day. But yeah, at some point in time, you have to have a situation where the pride

kicks in and says, I understand he's a far superior athlete than me, but I can't let this man beat me. I mean, there's 80,000 fans watching and there's another 10 million at home watching. And this man beat me every single play. Every play. Matter of fact, listen, I don't play the left tackle position.

I don't know much about the left tackle position or playing offensive line at all. But when I think about it, if I can't beat him physically, if I can't beat him at his own game, then I got to beat him up here. If I can't beat him physically, if I can't beat him at his own game, then I got to beat him up here. If I can't beat him physically, you got to beat him up here. I don't really know how to explain what you can do at that position, but try to be two steps ahead of him. Try to envision what he might do. Try to beat him to the punch. If it's cheating a little bit, if it's getting out your kick, getting out your,

off the ball a little faster, kicking to a certain point, stabbing him, grabbing him, holding him, any goddamn thing, just do something. Because having 1.9 seconds to throw the ball

in an NFL game where you're supposed to be one of the best in the world, it's unacceptable. It's unacceptable. And guess who gets the blame? The goddamn quarterback. Me personally, I don't think he's athletic enough,

his feet are quick enough to play that position. He's probably better suited for a guard or a right tackle. He seems to me more of a run guy because on that open side, that's where your premium athlete, that's where your Trent Williams reside. That's where your big dogs, that's where your Jonathan Ogden, your your trent williams reside that's where your big dogs that's where your jonathan august and your orlando paces and your anthony munoz that's where those guys resided and so you see mammoth of a man that was slide uh jo uh uh was

a shot putter so you know he had feet to be able to rotate and he was a uh he was a glide thrower so he didn't he didn't spin like we see the big guys now, like Ryan Krauser and all those guys. He was a glide thrower. But they need to hold that. That offensive line isn't very good. And I don't believe Aaron Rodgers, even as great as he is, I don't believe he can come in and instantaneous make them a contending football team.

That's just me personally. Somebody else might see it totally different, but I just don't see that. Yeah mean i'm not i mean what's gonna happen i mean aaron rogers coming back next year and magically everybody's just gonna be playing that much better all of a sudden out the blue that's really not the way that really not the way things work obviously he played four plays at the beginning of the season he got hurt because why he was running for his life he was running he was running for his life. He was running for his life. But anyway, back to the Browns again.

They look good. I just had the, yeah, they look real good. It pains me to say this. This is Cleveland's second playoff appearance in the last 21 years. First team to make the playoff with a four quarterback carousel. Watson, P.J. Walker, Thompson, Robinson, and Flacco. So Kevin Stefanky, this is his second playoff appearance in four seasons. Do you think he should be up for a candidate for Coach of the Year?

Absolutely. I absolutely think he should be up for Coach of the Year. I think D'Amico Ryan should be in that running, considering he's doing this with a rookie quarterback. I think Mike McDaniel, what he's doing in Atlanta, excuse me, Miami, I think he should be in consideration. But for me, if Houston makes the playoff with a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback, you've got to give it to Mikko.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Stan Cloudy asked a question. Ocho said, we've got to talk about why Flacco is moving the offense better than Watson. Wait, I have a question. Ocho said, we got to talk about why Flacco is moving the offense better than Watson. Well, wait, I have a question. Before you say anything, I want people to remember. Let's remember when Watson played, the Browns were 5-1.

The Browns were 5-1. They were winning games, but offensively, statistically, it doesn't look like it does with Flacco at the helm. And that's the question that he asked. He says, we need to ask the question, why does the offense look like this with Flacco and not with Watson? You know, that's funny. You know what's crazy? Remember, what's the first thing I asked you on last week's show? Why does it look like this?

I don't understand. Are the plays different? I mean, the plays can't be that much different. He had Amari Cooper. He had Elijah Rodgers. And Chief Njoko was there. So I can't answer it. I've been watching the games.

I watched the games when Deshaun was playing. I'm not sure what happened. It can't be because Flacco is higher. Deshaun is a little bit more mobile. The arm strength, I wouldn't say is as strong as Flacco. He has way above average arm way above average yeah but it's good enough yeah plenty good enough yeah it's good it's good enough so i'm i'm trying to understand what the difference is are are the are the plays a little

bit different because flacco is in but most in of the, the bulk of the offense would be at Deshaun's walk, Deshaun Watson's service. So why does the offense look different with Flacco the helm? I asked you because I couldn't answer it. And I watched all the games. If you look at the West coast system and that's the system that I spent the bulk of my career. And I think it's probably the system that helped me the most make it into the pro football hall of fame it's a heavy play action so the ability to run the football and you look at the teams that that's that's west coast you look at um Miami you look at the 49ers you look at the Chiefs and even though we don't think the Chiefs as a running team they run they like to play they like to play action if you look at Flacco,

when they play action, he's looking to throw the ball down the field. He's looking to get the ball down the field. If you look at the throws that he hit in Joku on the night, the deep over route, you look at the play that he hit to Rodgers, he's throwing it down the field now. And sometimes

maybe Deshaun is a bit more cautious, don't want to turn the ball over but that's not Joe Flacco's mentality Joe Flacco's mentality is the ripping he's gonna throw the ball down the field he's gonna push the ball down the field he's gonna push the envelope you know that's you know that's a good thing now that you said that do you think Flacco is is more inclined to just play freely because he didn't have the weight of the contract over his shoulder or Deshaun being a little bit more cautious because of the contract

and knowing that I really can't play as free as I'd like to because as soon as I make mistakes, the first thing they bring up is the money they paying. Flacco say, what's the worst thing y'all could do? Send me back to my couch? Hell, I just got here. Okay, so why go back to daddy duties and pick it up and drop it on on my kids it's my five kids at school deshaun he listen

he hears everything that we're saying there are murmurs in cleveland the fans that in the stands and on the radio stations they're saying this claim conversation that you and i are having right now mary k cabot and all those people people in Cleveland are having those same conversations why does the offense look so different with Joe Flacco a guy that was calling teams asking for roster spot can I come in let me throw for you let me do this and everybody told him no right so why how does a guy get off his couch in five weeks look better than a guy that's been there throughout the entirety yeah you know the funny thing is I think I think watching can do it and i think what i just said is might be the issue playing cautious not playing free wanting to play mistake free football instead

of pinning your ears back and letting that motherfucker fly and i think when he does have the opportunity to come back because he will be back and what we've seen from amari what we've seen from elijah moore what we've seen from jer back. And what we've seen from Amari, what we've seen from Elijah Moore, what we've seen from Jerome Ford, what we've seen from Kareem Hunt, they can get the job done. And that West Coast offense should pick up right where it left off once Deshaun is back healthy and ready to run. He's going to have to, Ocho, because the guy we're about to talk about,

Denver Broncos is benching his $242 million contract. The franchise— That's bullshit. The franchise— That's bullshit. The franchise... That's bullshit. Must be traded. Let me finish.

Russ is expected to be cut by the Broncos in March for almost two months. He's been knowing the organization was most likely going to move on for him after the season. Bullshit.

Bunch of bullshit. Listen, a lot of people in the chat those those that are that are listening those that are watching i know there have been a lot of gripes about russell wilson i even talked about it's i'm surprised to see that the maturation of the relationship between him and sean payton have been doing well uh he scrutinized a lot everything is magnified obviously because of the contract reasons um wilson's number this year 26 td passes he ranks sixth in the nfl only behind dac prescott and brock purdy um let me see obviously jared

golf josh allen blah blah whatever he's 33 this season this season alone i think he's ahead of him and Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes and Wilson's numbers are identical. They're identical. So I'm trying to understand the move by the Broncos is simply a money move. It's simply a money move. It's a business move on trying not to pay. Is it $39 million? No, he's already guaranteed $39 million.

He's guaranteed $ 39 next season, but another 30, the 37, if he got hurt and couldn't pass a physical by March 2025 is guaranteed at 37 million. Guaranteed. Right, right, right, right. Just, I mean, it's a money move. I think for him, if he was playing well, I think would there be any way they can come to him and try to restructure? There'll be no way to restructure. i mean he would have to and that's what ocho this is why i tell players why y'all taking pay cuts why y'all giving team discounts you see what they do to you right

you see what they do to you yeah but oh take a and then what the nc the nfl owners have done a great job because they're the only they're the only group of people that can convince the common folk that millionaires are more selfish than the billionaires. And what they frame it as, if a millionaire doesn't give a billionaire

a pay cut, he's selfish. He doesn't want to win. And the fans jump on it with both feet. They buy in with both feet. If I in with both feet. Oh, if I was doing, hold on, if I was doing this, if somebody paid me 30 million,

what if somebody would pay you 30 million, how much do you think they're making? But fans, it's the same, that's why, and I get, I get, look,

I understand both sides because I was a player and I understand when they struck in 82, when they struck in 87, the replacement players came in 87. You know why the people, the players started coming back? Because what they found out that the stadiums will still feel they don't care about the players. All they care about is the logo. Players come and go.

That logo stays the same. So what the players found out is that we got to take what they give us and the fan and the owners know them that's why they do what they do that's why they don't have guaranteed contracts see what you see what baseball did baseball shut their entire season down no world series yeah no playoffs that's what they needed to do to the nfl no playoffs no yeah but you got you you you got to get you got all the players have to be aligned oh together you're not that's what you do you say look here guys we're gonna do this but i need you guys listen no more splururging. I need you to save every dime

for three years because this might take a year. This might take a year. It might take two years. Right before the playoffs, tell us how you get them. Right before the playoffs, lock it down.

Everybody got to be aligned. In 2011, what did the owners do to the players, Ocho? They locked y'all ass out of the building. Out. Out of the building, yeah. Y'all going up there saying, uh-uh. They put chains and locks on the door. That's what they did to y'all.

What did the fans say? Not a damn thing. Now, billionaires locked out millionaires, but if you don't take a pay cut, fans jump in the chat. The first thing they're going to say, you're selfish. He don't want to win. Well, the owners don't want to win because they ain't paying no money.

Look, I can't even... And the funny thing about the fans, the fans will say, oh, a bunch of millionaires crying. Oh, you got all this money. Why are you arguing? Well, you're making this and you're making that, but I don't think people understand, obviously, what it takes to even get to this point. And crying, oh, you got all this money. Why are you arguing? Well, you're making this and you're making that. But I don't think people understand obviously what it takes to even get to this point. And then obviously getting what you feel you're worth. I mean, they already going to cut you short anyway, based on what your value really is. But you got to fight

tooth and nail to get what you deserve or what you feel you deserve, especially once you put the work in. When you put the work in and your resume is shown on the green graph between the white lines, you have to fight tooth and nail to get what you deserve. I'm not even going to say no names, but some quarterbacks, depending on who it is, oh, it's no issues. Things get done

based on who it is. Everybody's going to have a face this day. I remember, why you think Tom Brady out of New England? They wasn't going to give Tom Brady one of that money. They said Bill Belichick's not on my watch. I remember when John Elway made Peyton Manning take a pay cut. So, yeah.

Yeah, sure did. Sure did. Sure did. Yeah. You know. They made Peyton Mananny to the pay cut? They sure did. Absolutely.

1,000%. And the thing is, Ocho, is that they, like I said, the only way they frame it, and fans buy in. I just want to know if anybody know fans. Before the season, but after the season, every NFL team last year got a check for $300 million. Now, ain't no tickets sold. Ain't no concession. Ain't no merchandise.

Ain't no TV deal. That's just a TV deal. That's not for tickets. That's not for concession. That's not for merchandise. That's not for local broadcast rights. That's just TV, national TV. YouTube just spent $2.2 billion a year.

Amazon spent a billion. Netflix wants some of this action, be it football or basketball. And the owners split that, huh? Each owner get 300 million. And that's before a ticket is sold. Ain't no parking. Ain't no concession.

Ain't no merchandise. Ain't no local broadcasting. Ain't no merchandise. Ain't no local broadcasting. And now you got, now let's do local sponsorship. Let's do local advertising. Right. Man, they better stop. You know what, Ocho? I'm sorry.

I'm sorry I got on my soapbox. I'm sorry I got on my soapbox. But I just need, fans need to understand this they need to understand i don't think they'll ever be under they don't understand though i don't think they'll they'll never be able to understand because they're they're looking at it from a different view as a fan and not the actual player they're seeing it is well you're a millionaire you're making millions of dollars think about the opportunity that you have or that you have to make this kind of money

and you're complaining about not making enough. And I think it's really hard for them to understand and get a graph of what we're coming from. But what I tell the fans, let's just say you're making $100,000. You make $150,000 on your job. You know what I'm going to do? You're solid.

I'm going to bump your pay up to $200 two hundred thousand and your boss come to you and say i need you to take a fifty seventy five thousand dollar pay cut because we want to pay somebody else and we want to make sure that we win at whatever we do y'all signing on for that why not see i want you to look at it to a relative scale don't look at making $30 million because you're not making $30 million. I need you to look at it in your terms. You're making $175,000 to $200,000 and your boss come to you and say, take $150,000 pay cut

so we can hire Karen and HR. You good with that? Who good with that? You ain't taking no money from me, but y'all got no problem taking the money from a football player. Why? Because it ain't nobody don't hey you ain't taking no money from me but y'all got no problem taking the money from a football player why because it ain't your money but when i hit your pockets now all of a sudden man oh oh oh and see what harry's the thing think about remember i told you when they ask you to take a pay cut okay you making 13 million they want to take you down to eight right but they want you to make plays just like you're making 13 million you see how they did your own joke yeah i like i like i

like i like i like you still give me 1400 can you still give me 10 touchdowns can you still give me those 90 to 100 catches but i need you to take a $8,000 pay cut but make those same plays. It's crazy how it works. It's crazy how it works. And the funny thing about it is you have to damn near play when your price tag is similar to that of Russell Wilson. You got to damn near almost play mistake-free football and damn near be in contention. You can't have no slip-ups no no no nothing the team has to be damn they're on the way to the goddamn super bowl to warrant the money you're getting and then the owner the new owners the new coach that's not who brought what's the Russell Wilson

right remember I had this conversation I say Sean Payton ain't beholden to Russell Wilson. And I told you early on, I said, Ocho, remember when they was in Detroit and he was yelling? I said, yeah, I get it. But not in public like that. You don't dress down a guy of Russell Wilson. Now, we've seen lesser tier quarterbacks, Coach Parcells and some of the other coaches have dressed down lesser tier quarterbacks. But not Russell Wilson.

No matter how, no matter how poorly you think he's played in Denver, he's a Superbowl winner. He's a multiple time playoff and he has 300 touchdown passes. He has 30, 40,000 passing yards, maybe even 50. So he's earned a level.

I believe me personally, I believe he's earned a certain level of respect on the sideline. Now, if you want to say some things behind closed doors where the public can't hear or see, have at it. But I'm telling you, Ocho, remember, I came on, there were some things going on with the last coach

that Russell was get away with. And when Sean Payton found out about it, he was incensed. Now, I tried to tell people what was going on last year. And everybody was asking, Shannon, how you know? You ain't in the locker room. You heard what his teammate said.

Congratulations, teammate. You're supposed to stand up for Russell Wilson. But I don't give a damn what they said. Everything that I said was going on was factual. And then, now all of a sudden, Shannonannon what you think about the situation no when i tried to tell you told me to shut my mouth because i didn't know what was going on i promise you right if i tell you grass will turn to cheese start hustling crackers that's what i need you to do whatever you're doing

whatever your occupation is if i tell youants will turn to cheese tomorrow, quit your job, start hustling crackers. Now, I told you what was going on, and I told you if Russell Wilson didn't play at an MVP level, the Broncos was going to move on. You know, you ain't in the locker room. You just talking

loudmouth. Now, everything I said has come to fruition. Now what? Yeah. You think they sabotage it on purpose? No. Not saying that it's not possible. They wanted to get out some of that contract. It's really simple, Ocho. So you do think they might

sabotage it purposely? Once they realize they say, look, he's not living up to the contract. We don't want to get him hurt, Ocho. How many times you see this all the time in the preseason? They don't let the guy play because they don't want to pay him. So joe how many times you've seen you see this all the time in the preseason they don't let the guy play because they don't want to pay him so they ain't gonna let his ass get into the last preseason game get hurt right and get that money so he don't play you'll see how many years you've seen that it's yeah a lot but you know you know what would be a

good one jerry stidham jerry stidham i know you're. Jairus, if you see this and you're really a team player, Jairus should get hurt like the first play of the game. So Russell Wilson got to come in and finish the next two weeks. I'm trying. Hold on. Ocho,

do you know how many other teams watching this tape? Russell Wilson done made his money. Okay. Russell Wilson done made his money. I mean, I'm just a little jab back at the Denver Broncos.

Just a little jab back at the Denver Broncos. Oh, since y'all want to play games, huh? You know that ain't how it work, Ocho. Because here's the thing. Here's a guy that's not made a ton of money. 31 other teams going to get this film. Now, granted,

they did the same thing to Derek Carr last year. Jared Stidham started in place of Derek Carr. Remember, Jared Stidham was supposed to be the guy that played for Tom Brady. Now, I don't know how well if Jared Stidham... Now place of Derek Carr remember Jared Stidham was supposed to be the guy that played for Tom Brady now I don't know how well if Jared Stidham now he's had two opportunities New England and the Raiders

now this is his third opportunity so we're going to find out but I know he's going to put his best foot forward because he's playing for a contract Russell Wilson Russell got 39 million guaranteed coming. So even he's going to be able to double dip. Would the Raiders need a starting quarterback?

There are other teams. There are a lot of teams that need a starting quarterback. I think the best place for him to go is the Steelers. I said the Steelers. The Steelers. The Washington football team need a quarterback. I tweeted that earlier today. The Patriots need a quarterback.

No, no, no. Don't send it to the Patriots. Don't send it to the Patriots. Don't do that. I think the Steelers, you have Tomlin, Super Bowl winning coach. You have Russell Wilson, a Super Bowl winning quarterback with a predigree and knowing what it's like to, again, get to the playoffs. The Steelers standard.

The Steelers standard on always winning and being in playoff contention that's the perfect quarterback for your situation you got Pickens you got Deontay Johnson listen being able to hand the ball off the goddamn Najee Harris I can't remember the other running backs name who've been playing really well Jalen

what's Jalen last name I know he's that number 30 for the Steelers I know exactly I think I think I think he's number 30 for the Steelers. I know he's that guy. I think it's a match made in heaven based on the resume of Tomlin, the resume of goddamn Russell Wilson. You don't have to do too much. You have great targets.

You have a great running game. You got a great coach, great scheme. You have a great fucking defense, a good defense. It just makes too much sense to me. Some people say, no, I don't like have a great fucking defense. A good defense. It just makes too much sense to me. Some people say, no, I don't like it. The Falcons. Atlanta Falcons.

Nah. No, don't do that. They got Kyle Pitt. They got the receiver from USC. They got Bajon Robinson. Drake London. He's good. Jalen Warren is the guy that's running back for the Steelers.

Jalen Warren. You just put him on a team. I'm thinking about long-term and actually have him in contention to win a guy's trophy. Bro, the new-be-to-league is down to 13 years, though. So how much long-term do you think he's going to play? Do you think he's going to be… Everybody thought, I'm going to play like Brady. I'm going to play like Brady.

Bro, ain't no… No, if he's not going to play that long, at least put him on a team that is going to make the playoffs and be in contention for a trophy. It ain't going to be the goddamn Falcons and that's no disrespect to them. They got a long way to go. What did I just tell you? Date the girl that wants you, not the girl you won't.

I mean, I don't think I don't think the Steelers would turn their nose up at Russell Wilson now. I don't think so. Oh, he don't want they're still going to turn their nose up at Russell Wilson now. What you think he's going to want? Oh, he don't want much. He just got 39. Hold on. What I made at my last job ain't got nothing to do. Even if they still owe me money, that ain't got nothing to do

with you. Right. How many people, fans in the chat, you earned your job. Your job let you go, but they got to pay you your job. Your job. Let you go. But they got to pay you. They got to pay you your salary. Let's just say it's a hundred thousand, 200,000.

You go to your new, got a new job. Well, you know, your old job still paying you. So we don't go play the hell. You say, I ain't working at the old job.

I'm working at a new job. So I won't new money. Bad. I don't, you know, I don't even think he had the leverage like that anyway yeah i don't think he has the leverage like that and you don't want to come off in bad taste going to a new team demanding anything i want to go and rate what's okay what's the going rate for a starting quarterback 40 mil right now what the cowboy's gonna renegotiate that contract it's gonna be

somewhere between 50 and 60 yeah they need to pay him i don't know what they need to pay him but russell wilson said okay to go and rate for a starting quarterback is 40 mil that ain't got that 39 that i got coming that ain't got nothing to do with y'all y'all ain't paying none of that right right i'm on your clock now look and look i thought russell i thought russ played well i know what they're looking at they say when when the game is is like when the game is reliant on russell being improvisational that's when he's at his best so i don't think sean payton really likes that. He likes things a little bit more structured. If you look at the success he had, Drew Brees is more prototypical

of what Sean Payton is looking for. Although I think that style of quarterback play is archaic. If you look at the quarterbacks that's having success, most of those guys are more athletic. They're more mobile. Now you look, Jared Goff is not the more mobile. He can take off. He has better legs than Brady and Manning ever had.

Eli Manning ever had. But he's not. He's not like, you know, he's not Lamar. Nobody's asking him to be. But we see Patrick Mahomes, how mobile he is. Yeah, we see a Joe Burrow. We'll see these guys. These guys have become much more athletic.

Yes, they can drop back, throw the ball from the pocket. But when you got Miles Garrett and you got Michaels and you got the TJ Watts, those guys have become more athletic. So you need a quarterback that's more athletic to be able, even though they can't outrun them, just buy some time in order to push the ball down the field. Yes, this is all about money. I'm not surprised that they're taking this route

for the simple fact is they don't believe that Russell Wilson is playing up to that contract and he can fulfill the remaining years on that contract. So you know what? We're going to cut bait. We're going to eat 39 million. It's probably going to be somewhere between 60 and $7 million in dead money. Now, do we divvy it up over two years or do we just take this blow to the stomach right now that's that's the only question that the broncos have because the broncos have already made their decision they're moving on in 2024 without russell wilson but then to who to what but and the thing is uh they'll they'll probably go in the draft, maybe in

free agency. I don't know. They're going on without Russ. Because think about what they gave up to get him. A second, a third, a fourth, and three players. A lot. Which is why the fact that they're

getting rid of him so soon is beyond me. The thing that these teams, a lot of these teams, what they will do once they come to, because a lot of times what you do, you're in a relationship and people, y'all hear me talk about relationships a lot. A lot of times in a relationship, you know that shit ain't working. But out of a matter of convenience convenience you stay your ass there instead of just moving on either party i'm not saying he's wrong or her this or that i'm saying people sometimes stay in a relationship when you know it ain't going nowhere the broncos know they're not going anywhere with russell wilson so instead of staying and trying to figure it out let's just move on down the road and guess what and he might be

ocho we've all been in situations that's crazy it didn't work out with us but she has better luck with someone else or you have better luck with someone else it's okay yeah right and you gotta be able to you gotta be able to process that ocho yeah when you use that analogy it makes much more sense it makes much more sense. It makes much more sense, especially when you put it like that. But to me with the money that comes in the play and the fact that it's only been two years, wait, this is year two, right? Yeah. It's only year two. Normally I would think, I would think with a new coach coming in, new regime, new owner, just, you know, you give it some time. But I guess their mind is made up. I think Sean Payton just maybe didn't like Russell Wilson.

Maybe he just didn't like him. And the fact that Russell has known for a long time that they were at least him and get rid of him. And he's still professional and And was still out there professional and winning games, throwing TDs. But, and I think that's why Sean Payton barked at him a little bit. He wanted to get a reaction.

I think he wanted to get a reaction. But that's not really Russell's personality. I'm not surprised. Russell just took it. And like I said, I'm trying to figure just, Russ just took it. Cause I, and like I told you, I said, I was like,

I'm trying to figure out why he was yelling. Unless Russell checked to a play, it was supposed to be quarterback sneak or something. I don't understand how he's yelling at Russ because the damn lineman lined up offside. How the hell is that? Russ is fine. So I was, I was probably,

probably, probably did call some, probably did call some he once pulled the call that's why I was puzzled but Ocho no matter what transpired before Sean Payton got there everybody

was supposed to have a fresh slate so whatever Russ did or didn't do that wasn't under your watch so you shouldn't have felt some type of way about him. I thought we were starting from scratch. Clearly, that wasn't the case. So no matter what you look, I've been critical of Russ, but I don't think Russ, Russ deserved. I shouldn't say he deserved because I hate using that word deserve i just think the thing is the broncos felt that russ wasn't living up

and couldn't fulfill the money that was remaining on the contract instead of trying to make it make it make it work you know what let's just move on let's just let's just move on don't you hey i mean it's really it's really that's it let's just move on don't you hey i mean it's really it's really that simple let's just move on that's tough but then but i think when when owners or they make those type of business decisions do they think about the other players in the locker do we think about do they do they think about the fans what do the fans think because now you're back at square one because as you got 32 teams in the field and you need one, there's one important position that you need to compete week in and week out. And even think about playoffs or got their Lombardi trophy. And that's a quarterback.

And you just let one that is a Super Bowl winner, one that's been to multiple playoffs and one that knows what it takes to win. And because he wasn't playing well, you know what? Because he's making so much money, we're going to let this one go and start over from scratch. You know why the owners don't care what the fans think? Because they're going to buy them tickets

and show their ass up in the stands. And you know what? And the ones that can't afford their tickets, they're going to watch on television. Look at the ratings. Look at the ratings, Ocho. That's what the NFL,

that's what moves the needle. You see, the reason why they wanted the players to stand, because it was affecting the sponsors, the advertisers. That's what moved them. They don't give a damn about them fans. Now, when the fans like, okay, we're not going to watch it. We're not going to boycott it. Like, whatever, we'll see.

But when the sponsors started feeling some type of way, when the people, yeah. See, they figured this out. the fans are going to come regardless when they talk about oh boycott boycott boycott y'all ain't boycotting because those same people that boycotted michael vick when they came back from the eagles guess what as soon as the game started they put those damn signs down and it went in the game they wouldn't watch the game that's what they did and the owners realized that y'all ain't boycotting nothing and you're watching that's why the ratings keep going up and up and the tv money keep going up and up that's why it costs more for everybody trying to get in the live events that's why right youtube youtube doing football games. Amazon go from delivering packages to doing football

games. Come on now. Come on with it. If it makes dollars, it makes sense. One with a C and one with an S. Either way, it makes sense. And you know what I'm talking about. So all that talking,

we're going to boycott. We're going to do this. No, you're not. You're not going to do anything. You're going to show it to the game and pay and you're going to watch on television the owners have figured it out that's crazy we the funny thing about it is is the fans will probably never all join in in unison and say okay we're boycotting even worse than that to get the players all to align with the same moral compass and values of you know what in order for things to work in order for things to turn and switch over in our favor we all gotta say you know what fuck it we ain't doing it it's hard we ain't playing until we get guaranteed contracts or whatever it may be whatever cause it is that you want to fight

for to get all 53 players on all 32 teams to get together and do it, all it takes is one time. To get the change that you want, all it takes is one time. But it'd be damn near impossible. Because when them checks stop coming, and September 9th roll around,

and ain't no checks coming in, man, boy, I don't think it does now. That's why I'm saying you got have a process though you got it you can't say okay we're gonna we're gonna do this you say you got to give the players three years and you got to let them know this is what's happening and hopefully you have enough in the war chest that you can you can withstand a year but ocho look hey that's that hey that's a tough one because them owners

or they could withstand because here's the thing I'm worth a billion dollars I go to the bank and say look I'm not going to be able to make this payment on this building

this month but I catch you next month okay Mr. Jones okay Mr. Kraft okay Mr. This One whoever the owner is of that particular team let a player say that

okay well you got another 30 days, and after that, we're going to start the process. Ocho, I'm just going to keep it a stack with you. So you see, Ocho, there's something going on bigger at play here. And I don't know if the people are realizing it. Because, see, you see what happened?

If you go back and study our history, and I was a history major, so I'm pretty good and I feel very comfortable in what I'm about to say. You see, you remember in the 60s, the government started giving us things. They gave us a little civil rights. They gave us a little voting rights act. They gave us a little fair housing.

And then they... Just a little bit, man. They gave us a little bit. Just a little bit. And you remember in the 70s, Roe v. Wade, they gave us abortion. This is the first generation

that's starting to take that itch back. And people don't even realize it. Look at it. Look at what they're starting to do. They gave and gave and gave. And then they say, you know what? Piece by piece, we'll start taking it back just like we gave it to them and they won't even notice it.

You see, what people do, you don't see. The thing is, you don't steal 300 million you steal a million at a time over a period of time right and before they notice it you see they take a little bit by little bit you see voting rights okay we're gonna make a little bit more difficult over here you see your civil rights yeah you see and i'm not just talking about black people i'm talking about anybody that that won't write you see how to take it you see roe v wade they've been they've been going at it they've been pulling and pulling they've been trying to get it since it was institute i think it was 72 roe v wade happened in 72 if i'm not mistaken

don't quote me on that but i feel pretty confident that it was. And boom, boom, 73 and 73. And so slowly by slowly, but surely, surely, surely, slowly, but slowly. And next thing you know, you look up. So this generation, you better get on your grind now. While you out there, while you out there flossing and doing all this crazy stuff, you better look up. You're going to look up and be up and like damn i ain't got yeah yeah yeah you know i the funny thing about i think a lot of people don't pay attention to it a lot of people don't pay attention to it because it hasn't affected them yet or it's not affecting them at all no no no you, it takes a special type of person. You see, it takes a special type of person to have empathy Ocho. So if you can't see yourself as homeless, how can you feel home?

How can you help? You see, that's why people will give up the cancer, because they know someone that's been afflicted by that deadly disease. So it's easy to get on. OK. When someone that's been brutalized, well, I can't you think Jerry Jones can see somebody in his family being brutalized? Look at when that flood in Texas, look at how much the NFL, how they raised that money. JJ,

what made $30 million? Bless his heart. He was unbelievable. One Walter Payton man of the year, because you see the flood can impact anybody. Water doesn't know if you black or white. Yeah. But you know what?

Let me, let me stop with you. I'm sorry. I'm sorry i now you good you good you good i'm sorry that i got off topic i got off topic that's i just uh tj ellsworth asked is there a quarterback in the upcoming draft that you're hoping your broncos get or a free agent who you believe would fit the team better well look it doesn't matter what i think i think sean payton thinks he can find someone that would fit the team better well look it doesn't matter what i think i think sean payton thinks he can find someone that would fit the team better that's what he thinks they gave a lot of money ocho they gave a lot of money they gave a lot of power i know they want to win i love i love i love sean payton he i don't see him as a quarterback whisperer and i'm not sure what's

out there that he think is going to change because if you think he was screaming at russell wilson two weeks ago or three weeks ago i have a long ago it was he gonna be screaming some more that's him that's his nature he's gonna be screaming he's gonna be screaming bill parcells bill parcells yelled at everybody he yelled at phil silves he yelled at drew blenso tony romo uho. He called Terry Glenn. She was hurt. I mean, you couldn't do that now. He wouldn't refer to T.O. by his name. He said the Bledsoe.

I remember that. I remember that. I remember that. Man. I'm just saying. So that's kind of, and you have to be careful when you learn

because you, I mean, you exhibit a lot of that behavior. If you look at the guys that under Coach Belichick, all of them try to be like Coach Belichick, all of them try to be like Coach Belichick, and only one coach that's ever been

a coordinator under Coach Belichick has had success at really any level. That's Nick Saban. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're right. You're right. What quarterback, though?

What quarterback would you say? I mean, the Broncos aren't picking high enough. The Broncos aren't picking high enough. Uncle Mane said, we the Falcon fans don't want Russ, nor do we need future Sierra Russ drama in our locker room. Man, y'all wild with this, man. I forgot all about that. Stall him out.

I forgot all about that I forgot all about that Ocho I bet look I don't know when the Broncos are gonna draft look the last thing I think they need to do is give up any more draft capital because I think that's it because here's the thing Ocho when you give up that kind of draft capital you give up two first round picks Ocho he gotta make it

he gotta make it because He got to make it. Because that's the foundation piece of the quarterback. That's the position that sits everybody back. That's the position. That's the position. They letting it go too early though.

Year two? Ocho, how long you in a relationship before you realize it's time to break it off two days two weeks two months two years that's that's too long whatever the two is if i know it ain't working it's too long two minutes two hours two days two weeks two months two years it doesn't matter if you oh joe if you know that's the problem a lot of times people stay in situations when you know he or she ain't gonna change are they are they are they pulling the trigger too soon based on him based on his numbers are they pulling the trigger too soon

his numbers are identical to pat patrick mahomes are they pulling the trigger whatever because here's the thing a lot of people say it ain't russ fault they've always blamed the quarterback and you just said in the jets the jets offensive line isn't very good who they blame mojo yeah name a situation in which they i mean hey i remember the same thing now when lamar receivers weren't very good they blamed lamar even though, I remember the same thing. Now, when Lamar receivers weren't very good, they blamed Lamar, even though he was throwing the less than all-star caliber receivers. And we put a lot of that up because Mahomes ain't playing.

Look, if Mahomes was playing like he would normally play, maybe he'd be able to overcome some of the inadequacies that's going on in the receiver core. So guess what? He got blamed again. That's just the way it is, Ocho. You make the most money, you get the blame. You get most of the blame.

I'm not saying it's right. I just understand how it works. It comes with the territory. It does. Because no matter what, Ocho, you can give a kid everything. If the kid doesn't turn out right, theycho, you can give a kid everything. If the kid doesn't turn out right, they're going to blame the parents.

Give him everything. I like that one. They're going to say they gave him too much. If the kid turns out bad, they're going to say the parents didn't love him enough. So you just got to hope for the best. The kid turns out well,

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The things that happened were so bizarre and insane, I can't begin to tell you. Please do. To hear the whole story, listen to Fiasco, Iran Contra, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, the Packers suspended Jahir Alexander. The Packers have placed him on a reserve list, conduct detrimental.

Packers GM said the decision to suspend a player is never easy and not one we take lightly. Unfortunately, Jahir's action prior to the game in Carolina led us to take this step. As an organization, we have an expectation that everyone puts team first. While we are disappointed, we had a good conversation with Jair this morning and fully expect him to learn from this. Ocho, what's my favorite saying, Ocho? You never accept anything in a win.

You win in a loss. Had they lost this game with what he did, it would have been okay. Yes or no, Ocho? No. And that's what I've been telling you. You see, he's one of your better cornerbacks in the league. And the Green Bay Packers said what you did, your behavior is so egregious. We've got to sit you down.

We've got to set a precedent. We've got to set a precedent. We've got to let out the rest of the other 51, excuse me, the other 45 in the practice squad. This type of behavior is never acceptable. And then the cavalierness of it. Ocho, did you know, did you know, understand what he did?

Do you understand what he did, Ocho? Bring it to me one more time. He was not a captain. He went on the field for the coin toss. They won the coin toss. The other team won the coin toss. He deferred. Right. So in other words, Carolina was going to get both possessions to start the game and start the second half.

And he thought it was cool. That's what the smugness and the cavalierness of it. I think I got that right. Am I correct? Is that what happened? Okay. Yes. Hey.

Hey. That's how it went. For real? Yeah, you can't do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. But you know, it makes me upset.

You know why it makes me upset? Because the goddamn Packers are playing the Vikings. You know who plays for the Vikings? Justin Jefferson. Who the hell for the cover of Justin Jefferson? That's what I want to know. Because I want to see that matchup. I want to see the matchup because Justin Jefferson has been hurt.

Jair Alexander and Justin Jefferson is a matchup that we would all want to see. But the fact that he's suspended, it's unfortunate. What he did, totally unacceptable. Totally unacceptable. But why? Come on. He's suspended him for a game.

I don't even know why he did it. He's from Charlotte. I get all that. He's from Charlotte. But, bro, you played for the Packers. Yeah, but even if you're from Charlotte, what is going on for the coin toss? How does that, that doesn't really...

He wanted to give, I guess he thought he what is going on for the coin toss how does that that doesn't really he wanted to give the he I guess he thought he was doing a solid for the Panthers I don't know I don't know I know one thing that's that motherfucking boy though in man to man coverage he's a great corner a very very good corner very good corner play up you know what Packers out of playoff contention huh yeah absolutely not

damn playoff contention is sitting the best corner down yes yes you talking about that's the president they said the president even if they don't win this is what we gotta let this is what we gotta let everybody know you see punishment is just not for the individual that committed said act right it is to deter others for committing said act. That's what punishment is supposed to do. Right. Punishment should be swift. It should be harsh.

Hmm. When we deduce the fact, when we get down to it, he or she did X. Let's not lie like that. Right. What he did. Yeah. I don't think. Unacceptable. I don't think they're going to be the same he did. Yeah. I don't think unacceptable.

I don't think they're going to be the same after this. I don't think they're going to be the next year. Well, he's trying to get out clearly because didn't they suspend him

last year? Didn't he have some kind of I think he had an issue with them last year, Ocho. Yeah. I think this has kind of been going back and forth. I don't know if he wanted

more money, but Jair Alexander has been having some issues with the Packers organization for a while now, if I'm not mistaken. Y'all chime in. Let me know if I'm right or wrong. Yeah, anytime we get to this point, obviously, I understand they want to set a precedent. Anytime they get to the point of spinning one of their best, if not their best corner on the team. And it gets to the point where we're going to suspend them, even with our team being in playoff contention,

especially with the game we have coming up, playing against arguably the best receiver in the NFL who just come back from injury. They're sending a message, not just suspending them for this game, but it's a different kind of message. Not just suspending him for this game, but it's a different kind of message if you look at it from the other side of the coin. I think, was he hurt? Or they said he was hurt or something.

But Jahir Alexander, and they've had issues with him before. I know I didn't miss. I'm not with. Yeah. Maybe it is. Maybe was Jahir hurt or or something and they wanted him to come back and he said he was hurt i know he was injured for a little bit this year i know that i know one thing when he is healthy that motherfucker

boy i'm talking about i'm talking about man to man well you remember you remember last year that john justin jeff Jefferson in Minnesota, he went crazy and Jair said, okay, he got to come see me. He got to come see me. And when he came to Lambeau, it wasn't the same. Yeah, different ball game. Well, if I wrote...

I love matchups. I love matchups like that. But I just... Come on, Jair. Come on to Cincinnati. But I just... Come on, Jair. Come on to Cincinnati, boy. I'm just trying to figure out why would you even put yourself in a...

That Ocho? I don't know. You know what's funny? Him not wanting to be... He might have did it on purpose. Oh, he did! What do you mean he might have? He did!

He might have did it on purpose. Just... He's from Charlotte. You know what? Let me piss him off one more time before the season ends. See if this can help me get out the dope. Maybe. You never know.

Because other ways he might have been trying behind closed doors. Yeah. Look, like I said, I mean, he's one of the highest paid. Had he gotten a contract extension? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I know he's one of the highest paid. And Green Bay has some talent you think about zadaria zadaria smith who's in cleveland right now

played really well remembers uh z went to minnesota played well there so they still have rashawn gary they still have preston smith uh uh jay alexander i mean they had a very talent look yeah they just let rasul Douglas go over the goddamn Buffalo. But the thing was, Ocho, the opportunity that they had when they had home field throughout and they had the championship game on their field and they had all those dogs and they didn't cash it in. And that opportunity don't knock but so often

before it moves on to someone else's door to knock on. And when Green Bay had that opportunity, you know, they had Devontae and they had some of those guys and you look at what they had on the defensive side of the football and they couldn't close it out. Even after they got,

what, they get three interceptions from Tom Brady and they still didn't win that game? They didn't capitalize. So I just hate that Jahir put himself in that situation i really hate that look i just look oh so i believe that even if i don't like my job there's there's something about being a pro and being a professional and although they're they're they're kind of spelled the same they start off the same but they're two different things right a professional is the occupation a pro is who you are they're two different things ocho you see ocho there's a saying that says uh change is inevitable

growth is optional choose wisely yeah you right. But listen, with the way they treat some of those that even act professional and do things like a pro, that business side can make you turn a blind eye. That's another saying, too. I got that from my grandma. Alexander missed week three and four with a back injury. Played through it in week five because he was facing his former t-bait davante adams then missed week game seven against the broncos with the same injury in week nine alexander suffered a shoulder injury diving to break up a pass and missed six consecutive games before returning sudden against the panthers however he was never placed on injury reserve during that span he didn't play any games during that stretch.

Not only that, Alexander didn't travel with the Packers to the Week 14 game against the Giants after making trips to Pittsburgh and Detroit, the first two road destinations after the shoulder injury. You see? You see what's going on here, Ochoa? There's something going on. Something going on. Yeah, something going on internally.

That's why I say he did that on purpose. He did it on purpose. So I think is that we can. He did it on purpose. So I think is that we can see where this thing is headed. It started like, oh, Joe, you know how a couple of them start sleeping in separate beds? Now, that's not something that we talked about, that you start sleeping in separate beds. It's only a matter of time. It's only a matter of time.

That's it. He could come on to Cincinnati, boy. Now, you know, that ain't gonna stop me from trying to go up there and shake the covers up there. That just got you in another room. But, now it get harder and harder for you, boy. You know, I get... You gonna shake the covers, fool, dog.

Listen, if y'all sleeping in separate beds, it's already over. Like you said, it... Ain't no point in shaking the covers no more if you sleep in a separate bed. For what? I'm like TLC. I ain't too proud to bed. What's wrong with you? You want to get

out of my face? In the morning or the evening, I ain't too proud to bed. That ain't TLC song I think it is that's SWV ain't it I ain't too proud to beg

who says I ain't too proud to beg that's Envogue I don't know who it is my music catalog all messed up. I ain't too proud to be. Temptations? The temptations? No, no. Hey, somebody in the chat, who said that?

That is TLC. It is TLC? I'm talking about SWV. We like them too, Ocho. We like them too. Yeah. Look, remember Cameron Diaz says she wants to

normalize sleeping in separate beds. Now, look, if she pregnant, I'm snoring, she can't get a good night's sleep. You know what I'm saying? Okay, I get that you understand it makes sense yeah it makes sense but it I think

normalized sleeping in separate beds I say maybe more so after argument more so after argument you know cooler heads prevail go to separate rooms you never go to bed angry never go to bed angry always find a way to talk talk about you know i'm saying

i'm on makeup makeup guy i ain't talking about the time you put on your face i'm a makeup type of guy you ain't gonna be bad at all yeah so clearly something on your mind you want somewhere else i got you oh take this to bed with you but you know what ojo i think that's an older generation thing because my grandma my grandmother and grandfather didn't sleep in the same bed because remember i told you i slept with my grandmother my brother slept with my grandfather that's right that's right that's right that's an older generation thing i know i know a lot of older people that their parents uh uh when i said older i'm talking about my age and their parents didn't sleep together. Right. So I think that's an older generation thing.

I think now people automatically assume if you're sleeping in separate beds, there's something going on. My grandmother and grandfather didn't have no issues, but they just slept in separate beds. So to each his own. Well, maybe we need to adapt to some of the older ways today maybe we'll eliminate some of the problems that we have in today's era in society that maybe being up under each other 24 7 maybe it's not a good thing well it wasn't over there 24 7 because that man was working and normally a lot of times my grandma was right side and working too or he was you know he was off and my grandmother was doing her thing so it wasn't his 24 hour and there weren't all these other options that were available also to either one

of them now that's not to say that right you know people didn't get around because they did but the options that's available to this generation wasn't available to even my generation when i was coming up and it damn sure wasn't available to my mom and my grandparents generation so things are a lot different now um and yeah much much different much more much more difficult I mean obviously during this this day and age and in time that we're in now one of the key things that you need for one is yes discipline that that's that's the key word that's key keyword in anything especially in this day and age because you have access social media over

exposure to anything and there will always be somebody finer there will always be somebody with more money there will always be someone with prettier feet man why you keep going back to feet damn I'm just throwing out all the different things that you'll be able to find out.

Why you can't say eyes? Why you can't say lips? Why you can't say legs? Why you can't say calves? Okay, there'll always be somebody with bigger lips. What else? There'll always be somebody with a bigger ass. I was trying to hit on all the different characteristics depending on what people like.

And you just, you got to have discipline to understand that if you're locked in, you got to be locked in. And it's difficult for a lot of people. You know, I teach, I have a, you know, I do therapy. You need to be in therapy with these feet. Nah, a lot of people come to me to help them with some of the problems that they're having due to the over exposure of having issues with them trying to be on point. And I've been guiding people in the right way.

That's something that I'm proud of. You probably have rail soaking up feet in vinegar. Have old pickle, old rail pickle feet. Rail got old pickle feet. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. No vinegar, no vinegar. But I do send her to get the fish treatment pedicure,

which is nice. The little fish gnawing all your feet? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about that big fish when she get home that be gnawing on them? You!

Old big old black striped bands. You! Oh, big old black striped bands. You. That's the finish. My bad. I'm about to wake up. Okay. Okay. Okay.

I got to say that. Lamar says the Ravens are underdog. Isn't taking the bait. The Ravens can clinch the number one seed if they beat the Dolphins on Sunday. The Ravens are three and a half point favorite. When it was pointed out to Lamar that the Ravens are no longer the underdogs, he said we're the underdogs. We're the underdogs. It was just the team that

this team is. The Ravens, we don't know about the Ravens. Now it's, oh they're the number one team. So we're playing, we're not paying any mind to that. I feel like it's bait. That's clickbait. Well, Lamar, for the, like the last six weeks,

everybody said that you were the second best. You're the number one team in AFC. You're the second best team in the NFL. You just went to the best team house, kicked kicked them in the ass, and came home. So, you know, and I get it. Embarrassed. Embarrassed them. Let me tell you how we did it.

I know that when I was in Denver, I know what we said publicly. Oh, that team is good. Oh, their defense is like this here. Their offense is so good, they got a lot of good players. Privately, we're going to kick the ish out of them. That's what we said. Oh, yeah. Definitely.

Same in the Super Bowl. Ocho, we played the Packers. Oh, man, they got Brett Favre, MVP. Three-time MVP. Back to back to back. Oh, they just won the Super Bowl last year. They got Reggie White, all pro. They got Leroy Butler. Oh, they just won the Super Bowl last year. They got Reggie White, all pro. They got Leroy Butler.

Oh, they got Brett. They got Antonio Freeman. They got Robert Brooks. They got Mark Chamorro. Oh, we just hyping them up. We're going to kick their shit out of them. Yeah. You know, I think, how come, well, I think it's more frowned upon.

I would like players, I wish players were, there are not very many that are keen on doing so, is giving teams political material and telling people exactly how they feel instead of being politically correct.

They need to bring that back. They need to bring that back. Say what you really feel. I wish players would do that now. Well, I think the player would as a coach. You see how Debo and Brad were going at it a little bit? Say what you really feel. I wish players would do that now. Well, I think the player would. It's the coach's decision. Like, you see how Debo and Brad Bear were going at it a little bit?

Tell people how you really feel about somebody. If you don't think they're good, say it. It's okay. I enjoy the banter back and forth. I love it. I love it. I think we need more of that instead of every answer being. Politically correct. Descripted.

Yeah, everybody. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody. Yeah, man. Just let's have some fun. You know, before we head on to that, the temptation did have a song. Ain't too proud to beg in 1966. And TLC had a song. Ain't too proud to beg in 1991. Oh, so.

TLC, the rendition was the original. The original is the temptations. OK, I like that. I like that. I just learned something. Yeah, I think the thing is, that's the only time Mike has ever said anything about Sheldon just make sure, hey, I know you want to say this, I know,

but just do me this one solid. Don't say anything, just pump him up. I think, Mike, we're going to kick their ass. He said, I know it. He said, I know, 84, I know it. So, you know, I'm pumping him up. Man, Leroy, he the tough. He the best strong safety in the game. Leroy Butler.

If they put him on me, I'm going to be the Super Bowl MVP. All right, that's what I'm thinking to myself. Now, I ain't going to lie to you. I'm saying, if they, man, please. They say, well, what if Leroy? I said, boy, if they put Leroy Butler on me, man to man, if he cover me for the entire game, I'd empty my bank account and

I'd leave the country and never come back. See, that's the type of talk they need today. That's the type of talk they need today. That was my absolute pride. I'm talking about Apex. I'm talking about Zenith.

I'm talking about De Noir. I'm talking about the crescendo. I'm talking about the crescendo. I'm talking about I'm up here. Bad, please. Bad. Hey, you said the crescendo.

You're bad. Look here, but when you're bad, man, they better stop with me, man. Hey, I wasn't able

to be playing weird, now. Former Chiefs All-Pro returner, receiver, calls out Mahomes and Kelsey for spoiled behavior.

When you're screaming and yelling at your player, that permeates negativity. When you have what you have. It's passion. When you have what you have the first five years, that poker face, we know we're going to win at the end. That permeates positivity. Get back to being positive. It's like my little kids running around for Christmas. We got you a Christmas tree full of presents

and you're acting like spoiled brats what's your take on what Dante said the human joystick I understand where Dante Hall is coming from I understand where he's coming from but Dante Hall you're not in their shoes you're not putting in the work

you're not understanding the frustration they're going through you should understand it you should understand why they're screaming. You should understand why Travis Kelsey is upset. You should understand why Patrick Mahomes is upset. Have you seen what he's been having to deal with? I mean, it's common sense. So why even come out saying something

like that? Because you understand the emotions and how it feels to go through practice and practice and practice and to go into games and not and have things not come into fruition the way you work on it. It's tough. It's frustrating. It really is.

I know. I know what that feels like. Dante Hall should know what that feels like. I'm not. I understand what he's saying. You know, saying all the right things. But come on, man. Come on, man.

You play the game. You know why he's screaming. You know why he's frustrated. You know why he's frustrated. And at times, it's passion. It's okay to show it. Don't bottle that shit up. Don't bottle it up. Let that shit out.

It's okay. Yeah, let it out. You know, Dante Hall was the first. I know dads get credit for it. He was the first to throw up the eggs. Guess what team he did against? No, y'all.

Oh, he did another one. They blocked us in the back, man. That was a bull job. You know it too. Nah, man. You ain't played with Al Wilson, huh? I did play with Al. Boy, Al, that one hit my fucking head, bro. Al came in in 99. I left and then I came back 0203

so I played three years with Al okay okay now you talk about some moves yeah man he was back Dante oh yeah it's a human joystick yeah

it was like, OK, when you press two buttons at the same time, whatever you get. Yeah. You don't know where that man that's what he do. That's him.

You're right about that. He was a real Alabama. Jalen Monroe. Melro says former O.C. and current Patriots offensive coordinator Bill O'Brien told him he should not be a quarterback.

He asked the reporter, how would you feel if I told you you suck? Look where I am right now. So who gets the last laugh? Michael Eves teed it. Michael Eves had a great tweet. What Bill O'Brien was really trying to say that he didn't know how to coach such a talent as Jalen Milrow. But instead of addressing his own shortcomings, Bill O'Brien tried to project them onto him, onto the player sometimes. Some things that's been happening for decades, especially when it comes to black quarterbacks. Yeah.

Yeah, most definitely. That's nothing new. It's always been that way. It's always been that way, and it will always continue to be that way. It will never change. Yes, sir. You didn't have people that when you was growing up say you wasn't going to be nothing. So what's different about this?

Exactly. My teacher, my teacher's in high school. Still to this day, I see him still to this day. Yes. I see him. Man, I love you. Man, what you told me back then, I really appreciate that. I really appreciate that

because it lit a fire under my ass. I really like that. I don't see that as some see it as a negative. Some go into the dumps. Some, oh, I feel bad. Or some,

oh, look what he said about me. Me? Me, mentally, I'm built a little different. I'm built a little different mentally. Here's nick saban told trayvon diggs the exact same thing trayvon diggs came to uh alabama as a four-star wide receiver he said son i think you should move to db trayvon diggs is an all-pro db daddy we gotta stop like oh this oh come on yes i get it right but y'all make it seem like only athletes get told that i'm sure they're they're they're musicians i'm sure they're actors

i'm sure they're entertainers in all walks of life i was told i'm not gonna make it i listened to the one person that told me that i was gonna be something and i was gonna make it me yeah because what y'all had y'all couldn't run for me y'all couldn't catch for me y'all couldn't live for me y'all couldn't train for me so how you can tell me what i can be when you not me. And those that do tell you you can't do something, that should be all the motivation you need. I mean, honestly, that shouldn't be a motivation. You should already be motivated to want to do something anyway. But hearing someone say you can do something should be that much more motivating to want to achieve and attain that goal, whatever it may be, and whatever respective craft that it is you do i like i like it look tell me what i can thank you i like it and then

when i do it i like i mean all think about ocho see my job is not to prove see jaylen moreau job shouldn't be to prove him wrong i'm gonna prove me right right because all the people that told me along the way that oh shannon you great high school, but wait till you get to college. Right. And when I got to college, wait till you get to the NFL. All along the way, they got to watch me and say, damn, he said that. Damn. He said he was going to do that.

He said he was going to be this. He said he was going to be that. Yeah. So why am I listening to you? What you say? When you got no, here's the thing, Ocho. you got no control of what I can or can't do. The best thing about it, I'm not computer

generated. So you don't control anything. I control what I become. And I know what God told me. I know what I prayed for. And I didn't pray for you to have an opinion about me because your opinion

don't matter about me. That's crazy. And that's the thing. People get caught up with, he said, I don't care. Hell, I had women told me I ain't going to be nothing, and...

Damn. Okay. Yes. It's okay. Okay, watch. Yes. It's okay, Ocho. Okay, watch. Watch. Hey, boy, listen. But women vicious, man.

Everybody vicious. They don't like to see the process, but they love the finished product. Of course. They don't like the process, but they love the finished product when you're hurt what wouldn't you say what wouldn't you do so you have to look at it from that okay we're about to break up i'm gonna go my way i'm gonna go hurry your way see when you tell me that what what made you say that of all the things that you could have seen because you know i'm going somewhere you try to put doubt in my mind yeah i don't doubt me she's mad she's mad yes you can't contaminate my thoughts because what you say right

now can't undo the 12 15 20 years that i thought that i knew i was going to become something so one one you uttering i ain't gonna be nothing i ain't this i ain't that you know you ain't ish nah well maybe i ain't what ish could have been doo-doo but i ain't with you no more you know what i'm saying don't you die hit him with that right right right y'all can't break me i'm unbreakable you know you know the funny you know what the bad part is a lot of people are full with those words a lot of people are affected so much by words especially in today's era today's society oh he said this or or she said. It bothers, what happened to sticks and stones may break my bones,

but words don't. Everybody's so sensitive. They are. So like, oh my God, you can't say that. Oh my God, what are you doing? Like, so what? It's just words.

If it don't apply, let it motherfucking fly. Exactly. If it don't apply, let it fly. Because my thing is, if Jalen Moreau believed what one man told him and he let it change it let him make creep doubt in his own mind well you weren't meant to do that anyway well maybe it worked though because look at him now maybe he used that as motivation

motivation or extra fuel because look at him now. The play that he made against Auburn? Yeah. The play that he made against number one Georgia and to get his team in the college football playoffs? Yeah. Yeah. So young man, don't worry about what

somebody tell you what you can't do. Believe what you told yourself you could do. And that's all that matters yeah uh that's it the daily hustle said this has been the most passionate ocho i've ever been with the honest critique he's finally get he's finally gave in ocho been on his thing today he's been on his thing what what yeah you've been on your grind today i'm just i've been i've been on your grind today I've been me though I've been me he's saying this is the most passionate Ocho we've ever been

and with honest critiques that's what I've been trying to tell you I ain't been honest before sometimes they feel you misrepresent the truth oh my bad today is Denzel's 69th birthday Sometimes they feel you misrepresent the truth. Oh, my bad.

My bad. Today is Denzel's 69th birthday. It's today. Hey, what? That's my boy. That's my boy. Name? I got a story.

I know I got a story. Go ahead. Tell your story. What you got? Ain't really no story. Nobody can say they got cursed out by denzel washington except me what he cursed you out for acting a fool acting a fool when i was tough when i was uh this well you know how to how to you know how to the nfl team acting disgruntled and trying to get out of cincinnati and the redskins are off of cincinnati two first round picks

and the bangles and Mike Brown was like, you ain't finna set that precedent. Think all you got to do is act a fool and we gonna trade you up out of here? Man, bring your head back down. So he was getting on me. We were sitting courtside and had my son with me. Lil CJ was, I don't know how Lil CJ

was about. Well, damn, mother, you look like you 17. What year was this? Was the internet even available back then? That's what I've been saying on your day. Don't do me like that. Yeah, but... Ojo, what year was this?

Cussed my ass out. I don't remember. I don't remember. I took... Matter of fact, I got tickets from Kobe. Kobe got me course I see because you know

I wouldn't pay him no course I see. Not back then. Shit. But that was a great experience, man. And being able to sit Kobe got me course I see because you know I wouldn't pay him no course I see not back then shit but that was a great experience man and being able to sit next to him and get my ass cussed out my son don't know what's going on

he looking the wrong way yeah he uh I mean I'm looking at it that look like it's about 2009 yeah okay around then maybe 2008 2009 because i remember i was i was in trouble the bank i man i was i was trying to get up out of there we had just had a losing season and i was trying to do behind closed doors and obviously you know they always leak shit somebody always leaks something well you can't keep them behind closed doors because you already be talking about you because

a toll you be on toes and elbows and all kind of holes. Yeah. Ain't nothing wrong. Listen, we're going to get you on some toes now. We're going to get you on some toes. I don't know who. Pig feet.

I'm going to find you somebody. I'm going to be on the pig feet hard. Listen, if you can eat pig feet, if you can eat raccoon, soup, and all the other stuff, and if you can eat roadkill and whatever else you be eating, you can suck on some toes.

But I'm just saying, Ocho, but see, you off the muscle with that, Ocho. Can we work up to that? There is no reason at our big age that we can't meet somebody on the first date and go all in. What are we waiting for?

What are we waiting for? So you want me to shove all my chips, excuse me, all my tongues to the middle of the table? Yes. Yes. Yes. When you play, I don't even play poker.

I ain't even no gambler. You know how you, when you're all in or you put all in. Ocho, normally when they go all in, I mean, sometimes they try to bluff you off a hand, but a lot of times when they go all in,

Ocho, they got, they got, they got, they got it. They got the goods. Nah, nah. Listen, life is short and you never know when it's time to go. They got it. They got the goods. Nah. Nah.

Listen, life is short. And you never know when it's time to go. So whenever you have an opportunity, you need to go all in. Well, I need to see, you know, I need to see the flop. You know, the flop is the first three cards. And hell, I might need to see the turn, which is the next card. Okay. And then the river's on the end.

Okay. So you're speaking terminology that i don't understand i was with you for a minute but i don't gamble so i have no idea what you're talking about i mean i don't know i don't know what you're so you know i've i've known denzel because his son used to train with my trainer uh john david when he went to morehouse and so i met him a couple times and then uh just this year when lebron broke the record, he was at the game and I got an opportunity to talk to him. I hadn't actually I hadn't seen him personally since John David was a student at Morehouse. It's always great to catch up with him. And I got an opportunity to meet his wife, John David's mom, Pauletta.

It was it was it was great talking to her and meeting her. And Denzel has been great. You know, actually, they filmed the movie Glory in Savannah. Hey, man, listen. That was his first role. Best Supporting Actor with Matthew Broderick was the lead. When we talk about movies, and I don't think a lot of people

in the chat have seen Glory. If you would have asked me the name, my favorite denzel movies glory's always been number one it's always been number one because denzel is one of the few actors a lot of people love to say he played the same character well he played the same character to you because you don't watch the rest of his movies glory he, he had range. John Q is a completely different character from who he was in Glory. And then when he's in Fences, Fences is a completely different character from the person in John Q in Glory. That is the range in the Denzel that I've grown to love. And if you

ask people, what's your favorite Denzel movie? They say the same stuff. They say Training Day. Malcolm X. They say Malcolm X. They say Man on. Malcolm X. They say Malcolm X. They say Man on Fire. He's a great method actor. He's one of the method actors. So him playing the role of somebody else is easy because it's art. That's what he does.

He gets in the character. He gets in the character extremely well. When you watch Training Day, that's Denzel. If you sit down and talk with him, that's him. He's not even acting. he's just being himself and you would never understand it until you actually meet him and sit down and have a conversation with him there are a few people on earth and one of your good friends one of my good friends is one of them as well that can command the ear when they talk Denzel is one of them Ray Lewis is another one when they talk. Denzel is one of them.

Ray Lewis is another one. Deion Sanders is another one that can command the air when they talk. I'm talking about it's captivating when they speak. And the way they word things and the dialogue,

it's just, it's unbelievable in a sense. I don't even know, I don't know how to explain it. It's something about Ray, when Ray get to preaching or ray get to talking to you or dion get to talking to you and we talk about in a serious manner not not the dion everybody on the chat got to see i'm talking about something that got to do business or or something they have to do with life or

relationships or something like that though it's unbelievable seeing them get in that mode of serious. Your top five movies was Inside Man. I love that movie with Clive Owens. And Jodie Foster, QATEL, Edge of Four, and Christopher Plummer. Oh, no, these are mine. So I got Training Day, my top five was Training Day,

Malcolm X, Fences, Crimson Tide, Cry Freedom. I don't know if you remember Cry Freedom. You should did your top 10. Okay, we're here. I got Inside Man, Devil in Blue Dress, Harlem Nights,

Man on Fire. Look, I love American Gangster. I love Deja Vu. I love, you know, okay harlem knights man on fire i look i love american gangster i love uh uh uh deja vu i love you know i mean look it's so hard story but yeah so the story that's old school hey listen pelican brief pelican brief all right my my top 10 obviously number one is glory two and john q three is fences four for me is preachers wife. Then I'm going Malcolm X man on fire. Remember the guy. I get down with that inside man.

Then I got flight. Then I have training day. Hey, we didn't even mention American gangster. Think about it. We're back again. That's, but that's, that's,

that's Denzel. That's him. He don't really he didn't have to do much. You know, he's in character. He's pulled. He's he's portraying Frank Lucas, but it's still mobile. I don't know how to explain it. More better.

More better. Blue's boy. People don't remember him. That was really that's the only movie I can remember. He played Devil in Blue Dress, which was a comedy. people don't remember him that was really that's the only movie i can remember uh he played devil in blue dress uh which was a comedy uh with the uh what's the guy's name mouse who uh what's the black guy's name he from denver went to denver east high school oh what's the uh actor uh in uh devil in blue dress that's my guy and don cheeto don cheeto is my that's my that's my man i couldn't think of his name he's from denver i see him i used to see him

all the time went to denver east high school man but then i mean it just goes to show you Denzel how long he's been great. Yeah. It shows you how long he's been great. Not good. Great. Great. Great. And so, you know, I love, like I said, I mean, I've seen just about everything, you know, everything.

Philadelphia. I don't know if you remember the Philadelphia with Tom H uh tom hanks tom hanks is another one that got range i mean big and flat and we you know oh man philadelphia with him and road to perdition uh uh forrest gump i mean look yeah oh listen look those are some of my favorite actors when we talk about reigns tom hanks obviously denzel uh remember you know ever nor yeah primal fear ever norm from prime from primal fear primal fear uh uh what was that movie he was in where he was a gangster had all them tattoos oh my uh history yes man that was a good one that that that was a good one what about um god lee is slipping my mind uh mcavoy um james mcavoy do you saw split oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

absolutely yeah man dude crazy crazy yeah they got i mean guys they got you know another guy that doesn't get the credit for the range and he's passed robin williams who robin williams had crazy rob was a real deal great he was a real yeah look i love him i love samuel jackson missed out fire the pan from samuel jackson when he was what's the one where samuel jackson was holding up mcdowell's he was sweeping the floor from the time he was gator he was a member of Samuel Jackson was holding up McDowell's. He was sweeping the floor. From the time he was Gator, he was in Star Wars. What's the one where he was the teacher?

Coach Carter? A professor? No, no, no. Oh, you're talking about Samuel Jackson. I was talking about Rob. Oh, you're talking about Rob Williams. What was the movie? You're talking about he was Mr. Not Doubtfire. I the movie what you talking about uh he was mr uh i know exactly what you're talking about it was more of a serious movie i know he was a professor i can't remember the name of it i can't oh i can't think of it i know exactly what you're

talking about but uh man oh joe you have 20 minutes, you have 20 minutes for $100 million to survive war. You got to survive a bear, a tiger, a croc, or a hippo. Which one you taking? We all dead. You crazy. We all. Come on, man. For one, hippo you're not you're not first of all the hippos are most

dangerous because they kill more people in africa than any of them in africa than any any other territorialist that's that's why that's why that's why you said that's the first thing i name and i said you're not that's what robin we was in dead poet society somebody just put it up in the chat yeah poor society that's it that's it. That's it. That's it. All right, number two. That chapter was great, too. What was it? What was it? What was it?

Three other animals? A tiger, a croc, or a hippo? Oh, well, croc would be your best bet. I got it. Croc would be your best bet. I got it. I got it, Mojo. I had to hear it.

I just got to get him on his back. All I got to do, hey, see, all of his pressure is doing this. Yeah, in the jaws. Once I keep his mouth closed, I got it. Flip him on his back. Wait, hold on. Do you know how strong? Do you know how strong I am?

I'm going to hunt a meal. Man, you're going to get yourself hurt, man. You're going to have a missing arm. You're going to have a missing leg. I'm going to have a hundred meals. And You're going to have a missing arm. You're going to have a missing leg. I'm going to have gator tail for lunch. I'm going to have gator tail. You're going to have a hundred mil

with one arm. Oh, so I got this. I got this. No, you don't. Please don't underestimate the strength of a animal. I'm going to have gator tail and I'm going to have a gator tail and I'm going to have me some fresh boots.

We talk about animals. I'm an animal. We talk about animals. You do realize the most dangerous animal ever created was a man. They cause more destruction than any animal ever. Yes.

Yes. When we are equipped to destroy everything else. Only rats and mosquitoes have caused more destruction. I'm taking my chance with the croc. Give me the croc. Give me the croc.

You're not going to make it. There's so many different variables that come into play. The size of the crock. Are you in water? Are you on land? I want to go on land. I got him, Ocho.

I got him, Ocho. You know how long 20 minutes? Do you know how long 20 minutes is? Ocho, once I get him on his back, I'm going to say, hey, I'm going to get him on his back. How are you going to get him on his back? Watch. Don't worry about it. I can't tell you. Because they might put you to it and then you'd get my $100 million. How you going to get him on his back? Watch. Don't worry about it. I can't tell you because they might

put you to it and then you'd get my hundred million. I ain't telling you, but you'll see. You'll see. I got it, Mojo. Hey, you sound like the dudes on Twitter talking about, oh, if it was me and a gorilla, you better help the gorilla because I could whoop a gorilla. Not understanding the strength and power that these first of all a chimpanzee is two to three

times the chimpanzee is two to three times as strong as the average man a silverback is eight times time yeah i don't think people understand that they just look at videos and thinking like do you see? All muscle. Man, I don't want no part of the silverback. I don't want no part of the silverback. I don't want no part of no grizzly bear. I don't want no part of no tiger because you have to understand they can take down. I mean, even

a crocodile crocodile is less dangerous. I mean, now we're talking about in the habitat. So I feel comfortable on the ground than I do. The hippo is just as dangerous anywhere. Man, shh. Land or water. I don't want no part of that.

A bear and tiger, they're just as dangerous on either. Land or water. All four can kill you on the land, but I like my chances better against the crocodile on the land as opposed to any of these other animals on land. You got no chance with the hippo, the bear, and plus, like you said, how big is the space? Because you got no chance

against a tiger or I don't care how big the space is because once it sees you, it's a wrap think about this you you i'm you you ever had cats before have you ever seen a cat's reflexes just a regular domesticated cat you see the reflexes now imagine the reflexes of a lion a tiger oh joe you could take a cat even worse you could take a cat and hold it by his legs and you got him.

He's this far and you drop him. That's your land on his feet. Land on his feet. Crazy. Unbelievable. Oh, he got, oh. That's why they say,

oh, he got cat-like reflexes. They don't say any, they don't say dog. They don't say any other animal. They say cat-like. Yeah, that's what they say about me off that line. Jose Cardoza said, Uncle Ocho loved the show. What's your guy's

top five actors or actresses? Top five. I got to go. Ocho, for me, I'm going with the actors and actresses that I've seen. So I can't go Bogart and I can't go, you know, Brando. Oh, you're the only thing I've ever seen. I'm talking about I've seen, you know, what you call them? Godfather movies.

But the last movie that I actually saw him that I that man was the island of Dr. Moreau and it wasn't very good. So anybody that saw Brando in his last movie role, the island of Dr. Moreau and it wasn't very good. So anybody that saw Brando in his last movie role, The Island of Dr. Moreau, it wasn't very good. He had gotten, let himself get out of shape but I'm gonna go with, like I've seen in my

time, I like Denzel, I like Tom Hanks, I like Robin Williams, I like Daniel Day Lewis,. I like Robin Williams. I like Daniel Day-Lewis. Hey, that's my guy. I go Sam Jackson for me. Women, I'm going to go Viola Davis.

I'm going to go...ola Davis. I'm going to go. That's a good one. What's the Viola Davis one for me? What's that lady name? She's been Michelle. Not Michelle. What's the other one name? Meryl Streep.

Going Meryl. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. Going Meryl. I. Go with Meryl. Oh, yeah. Yeah, man. Go with Meryl. I'm going, ooh. Jodie Foster. What you got? Good one.

Good one. Mm-mm-mm. Many women's not nearly as easy yeah for women it's harder alright I forgot I forgot one of the guys that I really like Anthony Hopkins oh yeah

Anthony's good really good really good really good oh man I can't women women women come on now Really good, really good, really good. Oh, man, I can't. Oh, Lord have mercy, Ocho. Women, women, women. Come on now. It's difficult. You know what?

You know who I like, Ocho? Octavia Spencer. Who that? Octavia is good. I love Octavia Spencer. Octavia is good. And you know what? I like Octavia. Octavia is Octavia's

really good. I was going to be snide, but I ain't going to say nothing about that man. I take Angela Bassett. Very nice. It's Tina Turner. She plays some good roles. Especially in Waiting Eggs Hell. naterno she played some good roles especially in um waiting exhale when she burned that no uh yeah good roles well my my five my five uh favorite actors to me obviously number one for

me is daniel day lewis i've said that many of times uh those in the chat you know christoph waltz please tell me who christoph waltz is if you don't please google him uh denzel washington of course daniel day lewis now like you can't have daniel day lewis twice i said i said him already okay okay my bad my bad uh edward edward norton and james mcavoy i know everybody in the chat i know you know who james mcavoy is Okay, my bad, my bad. Edward Norton and James McAvoy. I know everybody in the chat, I know you know who James McAvoy is. He's the real MFF deal.

The real deal. As far as women go, Meryl Streep is my first. My second would be Claire Danes. I'm sure some of you that have seen the movie Temple Grandin. Claire Danes is the real deal. I forgot the sitcom she was on as well. Number three for me. You like Christopher Walton in Glorious Bastards and Django, huh? Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. He's amazing. He's great. Yeah, very good. Very good actor. And The Hateful Eight. I don't know if you saw the hateful eight

christoph walsh's hateful late too with samuel with sam with samuel jackson very good movie um god leave women is hard i got to go with um with angela bassett as well scarlett johansson julia roberts julia is unbelievable. But I don't think people don't realize. I think for me Jodie Foster doesn't get the credit that she deserves because she was nominated for an award I think at like 14 and then in Silence of the Lambs.

Yeah. Anthony Hopkins. Man. That Clarice Starling. Clarice. Oh. Man, that Clarice Starling. Clarice. Oh, what about, it's so many, you know, I gotta

go with Miss Viola Davis. Oh no, oh snap. What about Nnamdi? Nnamdi's wife. Gary Washington. Gary Washington. She's good. I think the roles that they get aren't as

prominent as you know the Claire Danes and the Meryl Streep but I think what has happened now that we see Meryl Streep we already think okay that role is good that's Oscar so we don't really we don't like I said a lot of these you know every role is not but it's just

like it's just something about Meryl because she's been nominated so many times. It's kind of like Denzel, they give such an outstanding performance. We just even though the role might not have been meant for an Oscar, they give you Oscar worthy performances. Oscar worthy, yeah, most definitely. You know,

my boo thing, Regina. You know, Regina Hall. Yeah. Oh, that's your boo thing now. Now let me know if you want me to put a word in for you i don't regina king is another one yeah regina yay regina king yeah that's a good one that's a good one people uh pam greer uh patrick woolery asked oh would you entertain the idea of going on bear grills and ocho Ocho, would you go on Hot Ones? And Ocho, that's a lot of money for the swear jar tonight.

Yeah, you done had some money. You done had a lot of money for that. Wait, money for what? All the curse words. I ain't even cursed tonight. What you talking about? They been keeping count. I ain't been keeping count.

They been keeping count. I guarantee you, I ain't cursed more than twice. Well, don't worry about it. Put it in the jar. That's only $10. Sidney Poitier. People got Sidney Poitier. You know who he left off?

Sidney Poitier was the real deal. You know who he left off? Hillary Swank. Man, what you know about Hillary Swank, man? Million Dollar Baby. But her first Oscar came for Boys Don't Cry about Brandon Tina. I ain't see that one. I remember Million Dollar Baby.

You got to see it, Ocho. You got to see it. What's the first one called? Boys Don't Cry. What's the name of it? You got to see this movie. You got to see this. Boys Don't Cry.

Wait. Hillary Swank? Baby. You seen the movie Boys Don't Cry before? Okay, she ain't seen that. You gave her something to watch. Man.

It was good. It was amazing. It was amazing. It's based on a true story. Wait, do I need tissue? You're going to need tissue at the end. Oh, shit. You're going to need tissue at the end. You know I get emotional now.

You see that? You can't even have me. Yeah. Yeah, you're going to cry. You're going to see it and you're going to cry at the end. And like I said, it's a true story.

Right. Yo, what about Sandra Bullock? I like Sandra Bullock. And like I said, it's a true story. Yo, what about Sandra Bullock? I like Sandra Bullock. I like Sandra Bullock. Yeah. Sandra Bullock. I'm trying to think who else. Yo, what about Monique?

Oh, Monique. But she wasn't in enough roles. But when she played that role. Right. Which one? Precious. Oh, man. but she wasn't in she wasn't enough roles but when she played that role right which one precious oh man that was that was a performance yeah that was a performance that's that's acting uh jane fonda but jane i mean she had some roles nine to five i think nine to five with lily tomlin and all those but she was a little bit before my time. Like I said, I'm kind of staring

to my era that I remember going to see and watching them. Although I'm a little bit older than you. Yeah. Angelina. Michelle Pfeiffer.

Angelina Jolie oh you know what we got Sharon Stone no Sharon Stone Charlize Theron and Monster when she played Ali yeah Big Ali didn't play the drum Big Ali didn't play

she put that 22 on him she put that thing on him. She put that thing on him. A lying ass. That was classic. A lying ass. That was classic. That was the right name because she was a monster. Yeah. That was classic.

Taraji. Meg Ryan. Taraji P. Anderson. Nice. Meg Ryan. We should have went goddamn Charlie's Angels. Taraji P. Anderson. Nice. Meg Ryan. Well, shit, we might have... Meg Ryan, we should have went goddamn... Charlie's Angels. Cameron Diaz.

Hell, Lucy Liu. Nah, Lucy, she ain't better than enough, old chump. Sally Field, yeah. I mean... Sally Field, cool. Oh, yeah. I can go throwback. We forgot O'Farran.

O'Farran's welcome. I can go throwback. We forgot O'Farr. O'Farr is welcome. I go, I go. Last King of Scotland. The last King of Scotland. E.D.R.B. That E.D.R.B. That was a good one. That was a good one.

I can go throwback, too. You know who we forgot? Who? Al Mofo Pacino. Yo. Hell, if we going Al Pacino, we might as well go Robert De Niro too. Yes. We ain't put

Leo in there, Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, shit. See, now you done got my memory. Here's the thing, Ocho. When you limited to five, now you talking about and we just limited to five of people that we watched.

Man, we ain't put Humphrey Bogart. We ain't put none we watched. Man, we ain't put Humphrey Bogart. We ain't put none of those. Yeah, we ain't put none of those. James Cagney, Jimmy Stewart. We ain't put none of them. Man, listen, I can go back. I can go back further. I can go back to the Ethel Waters, the Lena Horne, Cab Calloway,

Fats Domino. Man, don't make me open it. You ever saw Green Pasture? I did not. Stormy Weather? Nope. Cabin in the Sky? I know about a ribbon in the sky. Tell, tell, ask.

These are old school movies. This is what my grandma had me watching. Stormy Weather with Lena Horne. Cabin in the Sky, I think, Ethel Waters and... Ocho. Is it Gabe? Neither one of them mentioned Tom Cruise.

Oh, I forgot all about Tom. Jamie Fong. Oh, hey, Jamie's a ranger, boy. Jamie rangy, boy. Jamie is rangy. Yeah, yeah. Idris Elba, Morgan Freeman. We got to go.

Shawshank Redemption. Wait, listen, we'll be here all day. We'll be here all day. Oh, yeah. Matthew Young, I'm you your LaVarca man, but I just ordered a bottle of La Portier by Shea just to support you. Matthew, I appreciate that.

Thank you very much. And now when you get your bottle and you taste it, I need you to jump back in the chat and let me know what you honestly think. Upper King 8, background looking better, Ocho. Success, nothing less. Nightcap crew worldwide. But it's about my background oh my

camera i finally i finally got my camera fixed i like to apologize for those that have been watching me sometimes and sometimes my camera ain't right it's a little cloudy listen i tried to get the cheapest camera possible as you can see tonight everything is hd 4k uh 1080p or whatever i don't understand all that technology shit but i look good and uh i ain't got no haircut but i look good that's all that no place underscore like home underscore uh underscore homes donated 50 says i i'm i super support the channel just took a shot of laporte while smoking a bomb vita i appreciate the support. I'm sure Ocho appreciate. Is that your cigar? Bomb Vita?

Not boy Vita. Yeah, the good life. Yeah, that's one of my, that's my line. That's my line. Appreciate the support. Now, you want to ask a question. Devin Hester, the King of the Returns specialist, Deion Sanders, primetime of the human joystick, Dante Hall.

As NFL players player who you picking well look Devin Hester Devin Hester now as far as just like shake you up ain't nobody touching Dante Hall Dante Hall was

what Barry Sanders was to a running back at the kick return game and normally you don't teach a returner, but returner. Right, right. And normally you don't teach a returner to do all that herky-jerky, just like hit the hole. But man, that joke with that man.

He put a lot of people on the dirt. Dante Hall, he made moves with a purpose. He wasn't making moves just to make a move. He making moves to go north. He might got to go east and west,

but he making the moves east and west to get north. Harry donated $100. I'm putting $100 on the Browns, Lions, Super Bowl. What's up, Uncle Nocho? Wait, Super Bowl? What you playing, Madden? That man say he,

he must be, he try to retire from work because $100 on one of them, and when them get to the Super Bowl, they one of them winning it. Oh, that's going to pay him some big bucks and no whammies. A lot of money. A lot of money. Yeah. Forgot about Eric Metcalf with a great return of Mel Gray.

Who else we got? Pimp and Sneak. Please answer my question how do you guys feel about fans coming up to players out in public when you're with your family I'm a huge fan of you guys on and off the field I love it if anybody

is in the chat I'm sure it is that have met me before I apologize for invading your space people walk up to me I told you before we talked about it before man I act like I've known people for 30 years. I act like I just got out of jail. Man, I'm hugging it.

Man, don't shake my hand, man. Bring your ass in here, man. But it's weird and it throws people off sometimes because I always greet everybody with a I love you and a hug and we sit there and hold a conversation like I've known their ass all my life.

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Let me find that. Okay, Zasson, coming up. Look, the only thing that I hate is that when people come up and say, hey, you want to take a picture with me or sign this autograph? Damn, like that? Thank you. Thank you. No, bro, can you ask?

Hey. That was aggressive. And that's how people come up. Hey, take a picture with me. Sign the autograph. Oh, you're're gonna sign an autograph for me oh you really don't you think so and please hey i want to call let me call my husband let me call me i don't want to be on you i don't want to be on fac. How about we just take a picture together? Right, right, right.

And listen, I accept. I mean, maybe I'm a little different because I'm not in public much, but when I am, man, I'm all in. I'm FaceTiming people, acting like, man, where you at? We out here having fun. You sitting at fucking home and shit. I just, dude, I'm...

Because it's very seldom that I'm out. So when I am, I be ready for whatever. Hold on. Okay. Hey, Jack said, Hey, Uncle Ocho, love the show. Here since day one. Can you please wish my girl a happy birthday, Whitney?

I wish Ocho could sing Whitney. Hey, Jack. I don't know what his real name is, but that's his. We can't. No, we can't say. And Whitney, he wanted to wish you a happy birthday. We want to wish you a happy birthday. Happy birthday. Enjoy. Hopefully you enjoyed this day or if it's tomorrow. Enjoy the day and many more to come. So happy birthday, Whitney. Happy birthday, Whitney. Turn up. Marvin Bracey Williams Jr. donated

and he's asking, appreciate y'all giving track. I thought that was you, Marvin. And tell Marvin, tell Marvin, stop being scared to race me, man. I do smoke you. Appreciate y'all giving track and feel some love on the podcast. Nah, bro. Hey, look, that's my favorite sport to watch. So I you know the 400 meters you know look i i'm a meter i like the

400 anything 400 200 100 meters the 1500 i like that i like that too but i just love track and field i love the competition yeah i loved i love track obviously you know my daughter's at university you ain't running right now you ain't no hour you can't turn your head all the way around hold on hold on hold on i'd be more i'd be more of a racing in the hundred though ask him ask him in the chat ask him what happened when we raced at uh anson park in miami look blue right by him he didn't know i was that fast. Hold on. Ask Fred Curley what I did to him.

You see, the difference between them, see like 4-3 is fast for us. I'm not 4-3. I run 4-1. I ran 4-1. I ain't run no 4-3. I ran 4-1. I mean, them guys, if they run 4-3 flat, they're going to be disappointed.

Oh, yeah. They they run 4-3 flat, they're going to be disappointed. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're running 4-2. Listen, the 40-yard dash for the boys is they drive phase. That's the 40. Yeah. They might run 3-9, 4-flat, 7. Easy. Yeah.

With a good start. Easy. Marvin, I love you, baby. Hope everything is good have a great year uh how you don't have dan campbell coach of the year when the lines have been bad since i've been alive 30 years without a division one pride you're right dan campbell has been unbelievable when he came in there he said we're gonna bite off kneecaps we go hey we kick it ass and take a name and here here they are, top of the NFC North.

Congratulations. Yeah. I mean, yeah, they've been bad a long time. They've had some good players. Good players. You know, I'm old enough to remember when they drafted Billy Sims, who won the Heisman at Nebraska. Excuse me, Oklahoma. I'm sorry. Barry also

wore that number. A good friend of mine, J- jay ball was a nose tackle uh who did robert porche with the south carolina state they've had some you know obviously megatron and matthew stafford uh uh i know a good friend of mine who's in the hall of fame liam barney he wore 20 it's just something about that 20 unfortunately nobody was gonna be able to get it now because liam wore it uh bill be able to get it now because Liam wore it. Billy Sims wore it and Barry wore it. So they've taken it out of circulation now.

But, yeah, obviously Dan Campbell deserves some Coach of the Year. And he might win it. I mean, it's going to be hard. I mean, you look at they still have an outside chance of getting home field throughout the playoffs. I think that would go a long way marvin hey marvin say oh joe you lying he said you don't want no smoke beat the brakes or herman more yeah herman uh you're younger than me herm hey remember john yeah they had uh uh

brian uh uh no um what's the guy's name oh man, man. Perriman, Brett Perriman. Oh, Brett Perriman. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Marvin said, Ocho, you don't want no smoke. You don't want no smoke. Man, listen, man. Marvin don't want to do nothing with me, man.

Listen, I give Marvin five 10-meter head starts. In what, a mile? Like, I'm like that. A mile? No, in the 60. In the 60 out of 100. Them guys get out too good, Ocho. You ain't spot nothing.

I told you none of them get out the way I get out. Check this out. I told you none of them get out. I do block work with these boys. Listen to me, huh? I do block work with them. They come to me,

they ask me, boy, how you transition like that out in blocks. Ocho, check this out. And I tell them. Check this out. What's up? What's that? The top guys, come to me, they ask me, boy, how you transition like that out in the block? And I'll tell them. Check this out. The top guys won't give any of the other guys a five meter head start in nothing.

Right. A five yard head start in nothing. So what that tell you about me? That's how close it is. Because a tenth of a second. Yeah. That's what i'm trying to get you to realize before i'm willing to give my five meters that's oh my boy lowbrow somebody put my boy lowbrow lowbrow with the left tackle uh uh uh for the uh for the yeah yeah I know man

Wilson I just ordered my third bottle of shade absolutely love it can I get a discount code you know what we're gonna put one in there we're gonna get you a discount code

third is good I ain't gonna lie to you I won't lie all right well when we hit them when we hit that million subs I'm gonna take me a drink

yeah matter of fact I'm gonna drink the whole bottle too. Straight to the head. Baby. Baby. Baby. She say she sleep. She always sleep.

Chris from Vegas. Uncle Nocho, I'm about to turn 40 for the first time in my life. Well, I hope so. Hell, I don't know anybody else that turned 40 twice. But okay, I get where you're going. I'm starting to stare at my mortality in the face. And if I...

Bro, you farted. Yeah. If you're in Vegas, if you're in Vegas, hit the Bunny Ranch. Bro, you farted. You know something we don't know? Boy, hey, if you live in Vegas,

do stuff you've never done before like I did. I went to Vegas and I tried out for the Chippendales. Hey, I'm thinking about doing something I ain't never done, but it don't involve no toes. That for sure. I might do something, you know. Might do something for two something. I got plenty of time.

I like that. Yeah, but Chris, you don't leave me talking like that, bro. You 40 years old. I mean, and you're talking about staying mortality. Mortality? Listen, man, you hit 40, man. That big 40, you got to do stuff you've never done before. You in Vegas, too?

What do you mean 40? I would do that at 25, 30. Hell, I ain't way done 40. Right? But maybe you're living different yeah until you're taking life slow I already told you old show good times my granddad used to say all the time good times they go that boy nothing he right but you only live once do it right that's all you should want well you know what you need to start doing it right I can't do it wrong I don't know how to do it wrong

if you ain't sucking no toes you do it too much I'm just saying you better put some oxtail gravy on it you won't be you don't need all that all you need is some whipped cream

from behind and some toes as long as you're fine. I'm good. I'm pat. Yeah, you heard me right. All you need is some whipped cream from behind and some toes

and she's fine. That's it. You don't need nothing else. I need something else. I might need to drink that whole bottle. Of what? That behind me Eric Hall says

I'm upset with you you only call out certain day ones I've been rocking with you since CBS I'm a truck driver Eric I appreciate that bro you know what if I'm not mistaken I think I used to follow me I think I've responded you a couple of times on Twitter. I'm almost certain because this name sounds very familiar and the way it's felt.

I'm almost certain I responded to you. So I appreciate the support. And that goes back because I started at CBS in 2004. So you've been rocking with way back then, man. I greatly, greatly appreciate that. What else we got, Ash? What you got, Ocho? Anything else? Hold on. Before you go, hold on. Before you go, please make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit that

subscribe button. We're now, let's see where we are. 568, right, Ash? Let's sing a song anyway. No, no, no, no no no no you do realize that's copyright infringement no no we're not doing that well let's sing my song i mean okay we're 30 away from 569 000 subs i was hoping we could get to 570 before we got up here so we're gonna stay on just a little while longer hopefully hey tell your friends tell your friends, tell your wife, your mom, any friends, any cousins, any co-workers, go hit that subscribe button

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Holiday, New Year's, Valentine's Day, President's Day, St. Patrick's Day, right around the corner. You can go get your bottle for you or someone that you love. Okay, we're at 569 now. For a recap, the Browns beat the Jets 37-20. Really wasn't that close of a game. We discussed Russell Wilson getting benched. Seemed like the Broncos are ready to move on, and they benched Russell to make sure he doesn't get hurt,

and they're not on the hook for any more money. The Packers suspend Jahir Alexander for doing something what they deem conduct detrimental to the team. What else we got, Ocho? Lamar says he's not taking the bait. That the Braves are underdog and they're going to approach it like that for the rest of the season. Hey, that's going to be a very good game. Oh, it's going to be a great game. We didn't touch season. Hey, that's going to be a very good game. Oh, it's going to be a great game. We didn't touch on that enough.

That's going to be a very good game. And as good as the Dolphins' offense is, as good as the same thing we thought about Mike Florio was he said, oh, the 49ers are going to kick the Ravens. You know what? Well, you saw what happened, right? You saw what happened? Don't talk about it. Don't do nothing. You got to kick the Ravens. You know what? Well, you saw what happened, right? You got to play this game. Hey,

Tua is going to have to play outstanding football. The last time they played Tua through for 447. They came from behind by 14. I think Tyreek had a monster day. Jalen Waddle had a monster day. They played

a lot of man coverage. Yeah. What's them? Them the bunny rabbits. Am I right? Maybe. I don't know. I don't wear them. I don't wear Jordans. For a nominal fee, I'll sell

them to you, Ocho. I don't wear them. Let me show you what kind of shoes you need to wear. Hold on. Oh, they got the thing in the tongue. They made 2,059 pair. This is number four. This is my first time seeing this. This is a 457.

Oh, man, that's those those stand-by-the-grill 3,000s. That's those that's those that's those grill-it 3,000s. And these my little these my little toga slides.

These my little toga slides. You got to get you some of these. Man. You want to buy these? You want to buy these? What you some of these man you want one of these what you got them I mean hold on they they don't have a they got a buckle and they slide

yeah these my little slides my little toga slides like when I want to be fashionable you know like these I sure hope you got some Vaseline for those heels. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, listen, I get a pedicure, manicure

every Friday. Don't do that. Yeah, that's the... Every Friday. You know, I don't... Listen, I can't be the way I am about a woman's upkeep and maintenance when it comes to her hands and feet and don't have mine together. I'd be on point. That's those gorilla three thighs or those fours. a woman's upkeep and maintenance when it comes to her hands and feet and don't have mine together. Yeah.

You know, I'd be on point. That's those griller, that's those griller 3000, those fours. So thank, I get you. No,

I'm good. I'm a hold off. I'm a hold off. I'm a hold off. You're 13. I'm a hold off on those. I'm a hold off on those for the time being on show. But I,

I really appreciate that. That's fashion, man. That's fair. You can wear them on first date. Oh, no. So, again, make sure you hit that like button. Make sure you hit the subscribe button. We're now officially at

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that page up, but I promise you next Wednesday, I got a banger coming. I got a banger coming, and I'm telling you right now, I promise you you're going to listen, and you're going to listen, and you're going to listen, and you're going to listen. I got a banger coming.

I'm coming out the gate. Listen, I promise you, and I don't like to make promises because promises like pie crust and thin and easily broken. The first month, I'm committed to give y'all nothing but heat. Now, listen to me now. Listen, Ocho, what I tell him,

if I tell you a dunk, smoke cigarettes, check his wing. He got a pack up under there. Yeah. Now I'm telling you. Oh yeah. Next Wednesday.

I'm coming. I'm coming. I got somebody that y'all want to hear. And he went, listen, I had to wrap it, Ocho. I had to wrap it. We went about two and a half hours. I wrapped it. I wrapped it.

He started. He started. He went 30 minutes before I could even ask him a question. He coming. I'm coming. The whole month of January. I'm coming. So tune in.

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