Nightcap - Nightcap - Unc & Ocho react to Chiefs beating Dolphins, CJ Stroud & Texans dominating Browns

Episode Date: January 14, 2024

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson react to Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Kansas City Chiefs beating the Miami Dolphins 26-7 in the NFL Playoffs, CJ Stroud and the Houston Texans dominating the Cleveland Browns in 45-14 win, Jerod Mayo being hired to replace Bill Belichick as Patriots coach, Bulls fans booing widow of Jerry Krause during Bulls Ring of Honor ceremony and much more! 00:00 - Introduction03:00 - Chiefs beat Dolphins14:30 - Can Tua get over the hump?29:00 - CJ Stroud leads Texans over Browns41:00 - Belichick and Patriots break up01:02:00 - DJ Moore loves cigars and Disney World01:27:00 - Why Kelce is the GOAT01:39:00 - Urinals, Do's and don'ts02:00:00 - Much more Nightcap! #Herd #Club #VolumeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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saint patrick's day and i'm sure someone has a birthday that's right around the corner so go out and get yourself a bottle or go out and get someone a bottle that's someone special in your life. Ladies, your man up. Hey, you'll thank me later, ladies and gentlemen. You'll thank me later. Let's get right into it, Ocho. The Chiefs beat the Dolphins 26-7. It was the fourth coldest game to start at kickoff.

I think the wind chill started at minus four, got all the way down to minus eight. And the Chiefs dispatched the the Dolphins 26 to seven. Patrick Mahomes was very, very impressive. 23 of 41, 261, one touchdowns, no interception. Isaiah Pacheco ran the ball extremely hard. And they did a great job of controlling the clock. And the Chiefs dispatched of the Dolphins. When you look at this game, what did you take away from it?

Man, I took away from the game. Listen, I said it before the game even started. I said it throughout the week before the game happened. We have to be able to establish the run. We got to establish the run with A-Chain and Mostert. They get them out of that two-safety shell so they play two-, so they can, they play two man, they play two, two, and they play two man, they play 55. They lock on the outside with the safety up over top. And if we

can't establish the run, they get them to bring a safety downhill so we can, so the run can open up the pass. It's going to be a long day for us. What did they do? They did the same thing all day. They used the front four. They was able to stop the run without the added man in the box. That was the result of what you saw from this game. We couldn't throw the ball well. We weren't able to run the ball effective enough to have any impact on the game.

Basically, that's all it came down to in this game and why the offense, was it not almost the number one offense throughout it was um number one into the number two in points number one in total yards number one in past yards uh average about 5.1 yard per rush which led the nfl i think it was fourth in total rush yards right they had the number one total yardage offense number two in points listen a game like this the game where it

matters most you understand what you have to do You've already played the Chiefs You know what the Chiefs are going to do They don't do anything pretty on defense They don't do anything exotic on defense They line up and they play They're going to bluff a little bit They're going to play around on the defense

They're going to come down But they're going to get back to the same formation At the snap of the ball And do the same thing over and over Until you get them to come out of it. And the only way to do that tonight, and I said it before the game started, we got to be able to run the ball. We got to be able to run the ball effectively in order to be able to throw the ball. And what happens?

Same thing. Same thing again. Yeah. Ocho, I don't know the coldest game that you've played in, but when a game comes like this, it's all mental. There is no physicality. You take the physicalness out of it. Now, how do I convince myself I'm not cold? For the next two and a half hours, Ocho,

how do I turn my mind off and say, look, shut up? Yeah. How do I tell my mind that my body isn't cold? Right. Because I know, Ocho, they probably got thermometers all throughout it. You heard it all throughout the week. When you practice in that 60, 70 degree weather in Miami, you heard how cold it's going to be Saturday night in Kansas City. You hear it's going to be four degrees.

It's going to feel like it's this degree. And you know at night, Ocho, what happens? The temperature drops. So, you know, if it starts at four degrees, you know, it's not going to end there because you're starting and ending two and a half, three hours later. So you now you've heard that all week. It's just like when you tell yourself, I can do this. I can do this. I can do this. It's the same thing. It's going to be cold. It's going to be cold. It's going to be cold. You've heard that over and over and over. So now, how do I convince myself that I'm not cold? Still go out because they got to stay focused. Ocho, you know when you get cold like, god dang! Because you run into the line, you got your hands in your arm, and your warm

hand warmers. You got them behind your back. You go to the side, hey man, let me get that cold. Let me get that cold. Come on, bro, let me get that cold. Normally, you just go to the side, hey, you back in, you run off the field. But I thought Kansas City, because they're used to that, it's tough. Ocho, it's tough when you're a warm weather team and you go. How do you practice that, Ocho?

Tell me how you practice. How do you practice when you is 80 degrees and you make it 20 below zero? Well, listen, there's no way to replicate the weather. There's no way to replicate or duplicate Mother Nature. If it's going to be cold, it's going to be cold. But at the end of the day, the Chiefs had to play in the same exact weather. Do the Chiefs always see this kind of weather week in and week out? No.

Obviously, when it gets November and December, no, it's never this cold. It's never this cold. So both teams are really, nobody's at an advantage. Nobody's at an advantage. Maybe the Chiefs a little bit because they're used to playing in the cold. But at the end of the day, we, it is. No, there's something that we need to do offensively and defensively as the Dolphins. There's something that we need to do. There's a game plan that we need to execute. And what we can do is allow the conditions to affect the end goal.

And what we need to do to win the game. And we didn't do it. We need to win the game. And I'm not going to, well, I'm not saying using the weather as an excuse on why. No, no, no. You're absolutely right, Ocho. Both teams had to play in that weather. But you know Kansas City had an advantage. They had

six days, seven days to practice in that weather. Right. It's kind of like, I remember when we had a bubble, but Mike would never, I mean, I think I probably went in that bubble probably like three times in my entire career when I was in Denver.

And I was like, man, it's cold back here. Mike said, hell, it might be cold Sunday. So you practicing in 60 degree bubble and it's 10 degrees on Sunday. What have that done for you?

So I get it. You're right. But normally warm weather teams don't do well when they have. I mean, there have been certain situations. I remember with Tampa went and went to the NFC championship game and beat and beat. Who is that? Philly. They beat Philly in the cold weather. But normally that doesn't happen very often. But give I thought I thought Kansas City did a very good job. And, you know, Ocho, we've been talking about this all year. Yeah.

The Miami Dolphins beat one team that had a winning record. Right. And what happens when you get to the playoffs, whatever your weakness is, it becomes exacerbated because the team will exploit it. Yeah. And we see the time they did a great job of pressuring to, like you said, they couldn't get them out of that shell.

You've got to be able to make a team. Look, you got to make a team play on your terms. If you let a team play on their terms, you're not going to beat them. Yeah. Because this is where they're comfortable. So I'm trying to get you to fight. I'm trying to get you to fight on my field.

I'm trying to get you to fight a crocodile. He's trying to get you in the water. That's where he has the advantage at. Right, right, right. He gets your ass in the water. He's where he has the advantage at. Right, right, right. He gets your ass in the water, he gonna start flipping, he gonna do that death roll, that's it. Yep, that's it. If you notice, what do the animals try to do, Ocho?

They try to do everything they can to get the land. They scratch, they fight, they claw it. If I can just make it to land, I have somewhat of a fighting chance. You got no chance in that water. He's trying to pull you to the deep. Listen, it's one thing in order to be playing in the cold.

It's one thing in order to be playing in the cold. But if you're the Dolphins, you got to do you got to use your team or your players to their advantage in understanding what the Chiefs are going to do. Hell, goddamn Helen Keller could have saw what they were going to do. You played them already.

You understood what they did the last time you played them. They stifled the pass. They stifled the run. So you already know if you can't get them boys out of that two shell and they're getting pressure

with the front line already without having to do anything exotic or anything extra and they're making too uncomfortable off just base, just your base pressures.

You already know it's going to be a long day. Yeah. It's always going to be a long day. Okay, boom. Okay, they're doing that. We can't get them out of the two-shell. What do we need to do?

We need to get creative. We need to be creative. Find ways to use Tyreek. Move him around. Give him the ball. Tyreek wasn't able to do enough today. Five for what?

62 on the TD? That's not going to win the game. That's not going to win you the game. That's not going to win you the game. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, Rasheed Rice went crazy. He went eight for 130 in TD. Travis Kelsey, despite the drops he had, he was seven for 71. And Pacheco, 24 for 89.

We had no offensive production at all. And relied on the defense too much. We had plenty of opportunities. The defense played well, Ocho. This game's more than it's been over at the half. Listen, all them field goals, all them field goals, we needed field goals to get you beat.

Get you beat. If the offense, if the Dolphins offense that we're used to seeing that we saw throughout the season, in general, throughout the regular season, had played just 50%, gave us at least 50% of what the offensive production

we saw throughout the year, tonight would have been a different ballgame. But guess what, Ocho? We didn't see this offense against winning teams. So we got what we got all year. Against a winning team, we saw what the Dolphins did. We shouldn't be surprised

by the outcome of this ballgame considering what we have seen from the Dolphins did. We shouldn't be surprised by the outcome of this ball game considering what we have seen from the Dolphins since the start of the season. When they play winning teams, they lose. And they don't play particularly well on the road. So now you're playing a team. If you're in a playoff, obviously you've got a winning record. And you're on the road. They don't play particularly well.

And it's sub-zero. So you've got three things working against the Dolphins. Right. And when you look at it, and Patrick Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes in his seventh year, he's a starter six years. Right. He passes Aaron Rodgers, Troy Eggman, Roger Staubach for his 12th career playoff win.

Let that sink in. People don't understand. See, sometimes I don't think people realize, oh, this guy's bad. You don't realize. See, sometimes I don't think people realize, oh, this guy's better. You don't realize just how good this man is. Yeah. Because we take it for granted. I'm talking about in seven years.

Yes, sir. And I think only six years as a starter. Am I correct? Only six years as a starter. Yeah, because Alex Smith started first. 12 career playoff wins with three Super Bowl appearances and two wins on his resume. Early.

Already. Already. Aaron Rodgers has played, what, 18, 19 years. I think Troy came in in 89. Troy retired. We played Troy. So Troy played 12 years. Patrick Mahomes has started six years and has both of those guys

I think Roger played 11 years Roger retired early because of concussion but you know he went to the military so he lost I think he didn't get to the league until he was like 28, 27, 28 so

that cut some years off of his career also but the concussions was what really chased Rodgers-Starback out of the league but Patrick Mahomes 12 career playoff wins past Troy Eggman, Rodgers-Starback and Aaron Rodgers so give him credit I have a question before you

go. Go ahead. What do you think for the Dolphins? What is the answer to get over the hump? What is the answer for the Dolphins to be able to get over the hump? Obviously having a tremendous regular season. Obviously we know not understanding they didn't really beat anybody over 500. I think besides

one team, it might have been the Cowboys if I'm not mistaken. So what do they need to do over the hump so they can contend and get over the hump of the first round of the playoffs and actually be in contention year in, year out? They were without a lot of their guys. Remember, Jalen Phillips is out.

Xavier Howard is out. Bradley Chubb is out. They probably have four or five starters out. Right. The question is, Tua, he has great numbers, but are in big moments in big games. Can you get it done? Right.

That's the question that he's going to have. Only he can answer that. Because in a game like this, you need somebody that can be able to drive the ball. Right. Because that's what happens. Ocho is fine to play in and control. I mean,

I mean, normally you're going to get pretty good weather in Miami. It might rain. Now that's probably, you're not going to get, likelihood of you getting snow is not very good. So you might get a deluge. But the thing is, you go to Buffalo, what's the weather going to be like in Buffalo?

We know they had to postpone the game. New England, you get them late in the season, you know what the weather's going to be. You might get snow, you're going to get wind. So New York, so you have to ask yourself, You get them late in the season, you know what the weather's going to be. You might get snow. You're going to get wind. Right. So, New York. So, you have to ask yourself. I just, I mean, his moments are really, really good.

But there's too much. There's this. You get into the camera. There's this as a ceiling. And this is his floor. There's not enough in between. It's either here or it's here. It needs to be more in between because I think they got enough pieces.

Offensive line, maybe you can add a piece or two there. They can run the football, H.N. Mostert is a pro bowler. 18 rush touchdowns. They got Tyreek. They got Waddle. They got receivers, Kyle Crabb. They got Wilson Jr. They got Waddle. They got receivers, Kyle Crabb. They got Wilson Jr.

They got guys that can make plays. So that's not the issue. The question is, is he the guy long-term that can get you over that hump? Right. So do you think defensively, if some of those guys, Phillips, Xavier Howard was in, Bradley Chubb was healthy, do you think the outcome would have been different? You talk about guys. I mean, those are guys that you pay big dollars to Ocho.

Those are guys that have been to Pro Bowl. I don't know if Phillips has been to the Pro Bowl, but Chubb and Xavier Howard. Xavier Howard didn't one year. Xavier Howard have 10 picks. Oh, yeah. I think that might have been three years ago, three or two years ago. One or the other. And you see they were taking advantage of the middle of the field.

They were working on that third corner. So you see Rice was eating. He was eating number four. He's like, the Krispy Kremes. The hot lights. See the hot light on. Yeah, yeah, they're Krispy. They just took them off. They just took about degrees. Damn, man. That's the question, my man. I think

honestly, honestly, and and people if you're honest with yourself you know i'm telling you the truth probably the weak link is the quarterback that that's so that's so hard to say especially with the numbers to put up put up this year he put up some phenomenal numbers at one point where where he was the mvp candidate that's how that's how well tool was playing it, I don't understand. How do you get to a game of this magnitude and understanding what you have to do, already having film on playing the Chiefs,

you know, previously, early in the season, knowing what they're going to do, and then still coming out and laying a goddamn egg, knowing what you got to do to execute against them, to get them uncomfortable, as opposed to making us uncomfortable, which is what they made, too. What they made, too, extremely uncomfortable and never allowed him to get them uncomfortable as opposed to making us uncomfortable, which is what they made Tua. They made Tua extremely uncomfortable and never allowed him to get in the rhythm.

I tell you what, what you think Miami would look like if Mahomes was the quarterback and he had Waddle, he had Tyreek, he had Wilson Jr., Kyle Kraft, and that running game. What do you think he would look like? That wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. That wouldn't be fair. That would be absolutely unfair. If anything, you might as well just ship the goddamn Lombardi down to Miami already.

Well, we saw they were in the Super Bowl every year when he had Tyreek on the AFC Championship game when he had Tyreek. And he was throwing for damn near five. He threw for 5,000 yards. His first year started with Tyreek. So we know what he can he had Tyreek. And he was throwing for damn near five. He threw for 5,000 yards. His first year started with Tyreek. So we know what he can do with Tyreek.

Now, the thing was, Tyreek didn't have the kind of numbers. He didn't have the 1,700, 1,800 yards when he had 1,799. I think he had 1,707 last year, 1,799 this year because of Travis Kelsey. Right. So that took some of those targets away. But I just think that that's the question. I mean, when you look at what they got, how they can run the football with H and, and, and most are.

And when you look at the wide receivers that they have. Yeah. Yeah. Offensive line, maybe, maybe, maybe add a piece. I don't know who's going to be available in free agency, what they're going to do in the draft. Maybe they can add a piece. I don't know who's going to be available in free agency, what they're going to do in the draft. Maybe they can add a piece, but I need,

I needed my quarterback that I'm going to probably have to pay 45, 50 million. I'm going to need him to give me better than 20 or 39, one 99. I wouldn't need better than no Joe. I need it. Yeah, I need it.

That's what I need. Oh, Joe, this is the look. I don't pay you 45, 50 million for the regular season. I pay you for moments like this and games like this. I can get anybody

with this talent. Anybody should have been able to get them to the playoffs with the talent that the Miami Dolphins have. Now, what am I really paying you for? Moments like this that hurt as a Dolphin fan obviously you know I'm from Miami my allegiance is to the Bulls

but I would love to see them make a run I would love to see them make a run in the AFC and what bigger challenge than you already have film, you already have tape, you've already played them, you know what they're going to do, you know what they do well,

you know how to counter what they do well, and you know what you need to establish in order to be able to run your offense effectively, and we weren't able to do it. Ocho, that's your fault. We weren't able to do it. Guess what? What was week 18?

Where was that game at between Buffalo and Miami? Tell the people that didn't know, that doesn't follow football like you and I, that just jumped into the chat, tell them what? What was week 18? Where was that game at between Buffalo and Miami? Tell the people that didn't know that doesn't follow football like you and I that just jumped into the chat. Tell them what that game was. Yeah. In Miami. Yeah. If you win that game, tell the people at home what happened. If they win that game in Miami against

Buffalo, tell the people at home what happens. We at home. Beautiful. Nice weather. Ta-da! Nice weather. But againda! Nice weather. But again, we played Buffalo already early in the season. You know what you need to do again to win that game. And? And you fold again.

How do you fold back-to-back weeks? And Josh Allen gave it two interceptions. He turned the ball over twice in the end zone. Two interceptions and a fumble. And a fumble. That's three. Yeah. Yeah. That's tough, man. That's tough.

Tonight, they got a couple of unnecessary roughness on the... Guys, you of unnecessary roughness on the, guys, you can't go low on the quarterback anymore. That's the Tom Brady rule. You can't hit the quarterback. You can't hit the quarterback

below his waist. They're going to throw that flag every time. Every time. Every time. Ever since Tom Brady got his knee blue out like that. Excuse me.

I know you say, oh, that you, that's not, I understand. I was in the league when they let you hit the quarterback anywhere you wanted to. The top of his head or the bottom of his feet. That's no longer the case, Ocho.

So you can't say, man, that's just football. That's not football anymore. That used to be football. But they changed that. First of all, they've changed that rule for over a decade, Ocho. So you should have adapted by now. Because most of the guys that's coming in that's playing defense,

they are, especially the guys that committed the foul, you weren't in the league when you could do that anyway. Right, right. So you've been on a different set of rules.

Yeah, for a while. So you already know better. For a while. And you know they're not going to let you shove the quarterback down anymore, Ocho. Once he throws that ball, you best to just fly by. Right. Because if you shove him to the ground, they're going to throw you shove the quarterback down anymore, Ocho. Once he throws that ball, you best to just fly by.

Because if you shove him to the ground, they're going to throw that flag. Tristan Wilkins, bro, I don't know what you're thinking. I mean, you know, he like to do a little poking and stuff, and he do too much of that funny stuff. I mean, I don't know what he did to Josh Allen, but he need to cut that foolishness out. Right.

He a ball player now. Yeah, I ain't got no problem with that ball player but all that stuff he be doing up under the pile I ain't with that I ain't with all that now come on now that's about necessary stuff Ocho right right right right go ahead

now you're gonna say just antagonizing opponent that's all just antagonizing I don't know the way Josh Allen jumped up from there he was doing more than antagonizing that's all I'm saying I don't know the way Josh Allen jumped up from there. He was doing more than antagonizing. That's all. I'm saying I don't know what he was doing up under that pile. Right, right.

I don't know what he was doing under that pile, but the way Josh Allen hopped up from there. Yeah. Whew. Question. For both,

is Miami in the same situation as the Rams a couple years ago? Jared Goff couldn't make them plays. Seems like two isn't the same. Listen, he just asked a question that I wanted you to answer because I don't have answers to it, but you would know better than me. They got all the

goddamn pieces. They got all the pieces. The difference is Jared Goff did get the Rams to the Super Bowl. Now, he only scored three points once he got there, but he did get them there. But they felt, I'll give you a prime example. There's a reason why Andy Reid moved up

17 spots to take Patrick Mahomes. Alex Smith had him in the playoffs every year. Andy Reid believed that he could go much farther with someone with a stronger arm and was willing to push the ball down the field.

Yeah, right. And you saw every year, the Chiefs were in the playoffs. But this offense went to another level and you could say, oh, no, it's not. Because Andy Reid had Donovan

and this offense and it didn't look like what it looks. Because Andy Reid had Donovan and this offense, and it didn't look like what it looks like now. He had Alex Smith, and it didn't look like what it looked like now. Yeah. So that's the question that the Miami Dolphins are going to have to ask themselves. Right. What's the real ceiling for us with Tua as our quarterback? Well, the ceiling looked great all goddamn year.

But like you said, you ain't paying nobody $40, $45 million for the regular season. No, I ain't paying $45 million to beat bad teams. If you want to beat one good team, I beat 17 games. If you want to beat one team with a winning record, Ocho, and you want $50 million? And then you give me seven points. You gave me a seven piece. That's tough, man. That's tough. I like Tua.

Red Hood said, Ocho, please tell the Dolphins they need a new quarterback. Tua isn't the guy. He played himself today. He constantly tried to get Hill killed over his overthrows. He's just not good. I hope they don't fire McDaniel for him. Nah, nah, I don't think Mike McDaniel is going anywhere.

I think he's moving. Yeah, he has a great mind. Like I said, Ocho, but when I look at the Dolphins, and you look at the pieces now, they did have some guys that were out. I thought the defense considering played well because they kept them out of the end zone. the pieces now they did have some guys that were out I thought the defense considering played well because

they kept them out of the end zone and gave their offense a chance it's just their offense didn't do anything today with the exception of that big throw to what a Tyreek that was their entire offense I mean most had had 33 yards. Tua had 25 yards.

A-Chan had nine yards. Waddle had nine. What am I supposed to do with that, Ocho? You're not going to do much with that. You're not going to do much with that stat line playing Madden. If you're playing Madden with that stat line you just named, you're going to lose the game. 11-17.

They had 18 passes 39 uh pass attempts you had ample opportunity you had plenty of time you got the ball back to defense like you said did play well minus all the the injuries that we did have they played well enough all yeah they played absolutely they played unbelievable we gave you the ball back right it was 13-7 we gave the ball back i think maybe three times if I'm not mistaken, before they were able to get an actual field goal and then so we'll start to put the game out of goddamn

reach. Yeah. Man, I don't think I've ever seen that. Did you see when Mahomes took off and he got hit and the piece of his helmet popped out? Yeah, I saw that. I thought the helmet was supposed to be a lot more safer now. Well, I don't know if they really expected it to be out there

at minus 23 degrees, though. Okay, you know what? That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. But you know what? They probably factor stuff like that in.

It just caught the right, it was cold, got caught in the right spot. Very cold. And it snapped. Yeah. That was crazy. I have never seen that before either brandon depo said uncle ocho first time commented should the fans go all out for justin fields ocho that's your that's your team you like the dolphins tell me what you would think they should do i uh i'm you riding with two are you running it back with two or one more year? Yeah, I'm running back with two or one more year. Okay.

I'm running back with two. Matter of fact, is it time? Is it time? You know, I'm not sure contract-wise. Is it time to pay him now or would you run back with one more year? Well, he can't be with Joe Burrow. So, theoretically, this would be his fifth year option, if I'm not mistaken, coming up. Right.

Which I think they picked up. Oh, they picked it up already? Yes. Yes. I would think they run it back. I would think they run it back because it's times like this. You know, you gave us what you gave us in the regular season, but we're not paying you for that. We're paying you for what you can do in the postseason and what you're going to be able to lead us in year, years from now on.

So I think that's what it comes into play. And Justin Fields, I don't, I don't want to see Justin Fields. I want the homie to go to Atlanta, Atlanta. Yeah. He got,

he got some nice stuff to work with over there too. Got some real nice stuff to work with. He's probably the Atlanta area. He's probably crib. He's going to be home. Yeah. Oh yeah. Don't be home.

Damn my dolphins, man. The Texans to be home. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's going to be home. Damn, my Dolphins, man. The Texans do a demolition job on the Browns. C.J. Stroud dissected the number one pass offense. He finished with 274 yards, three touchdowns. Those three touchdowns were before the half. Tied an NFL record for most touchdown passes in a playoff game by a rookie. 274, three touchdowns, zero turnovers. He had 236 of those yards in the first half.

At the age of 22 years, 102 days, he became the youngest quarterback in history to win a playoff game. You saw what the Texans did today? Did you see what the Texans did offensively today? They threw the ball. They ran the ball. Yep.

Listen, I know they played at home. I know they played in the dome. I They threw the ball. They ran the ball. Yep. Listen, I know they played at home. I know they played in the dome. I know it was comfortable. I know the atmosphere of Mother Nature wasn't a factor in the game, but they did exactly what they needed to do

to be one of the best defense in the league. They had some great corners in Newsom, safety, great corner in Denzel Ward. Yeah. They still were able

to get things done with their best weapon And Nico Collins Same thing they should've Same thing the Dolphins Should've done with Tyreek They had And Jay Luato

Like I don't understand CJ Stroud Looks like a Goddamn 10 year vet He does Looks like a damn

10 year vet He does Nothing seems to rattle him Nope Nothing seems to rattle him Nope At all Then I'm CJ Stroud made a play On the screen pass But nothing seemed to rattle him. Nothing seemed to rattle him. Nope. At all.

Then CJ Stroud made a play on the screen pass. And, of course, I tweeted out, ladies and gentlemen, CJ Stroud, take a bow. And everybody, they up and on. Oh, man, it was just a screen pass. I mean, he didn't do the work. All he did was just throw a screen. Hello? Hello? Have you seen the body of work and what C.J. Shroud has put together

throughout the entirety of this season? Throughout the entirety of this season. I understand it was just a screen pass. He came back the very next drive. Did you see the touch ball to the tight end? Did you see the touch where he dropped it in the bucket to the tight end?

Then I had to tweet back again. For all you haters that had something to say, it was just a screen pass. What was that? A handoff. What? You know what we say when a guy dropping in the bucket from 30 yards away.

He walked that door. That's a handoff. That's a deep handoff. Easily. Young brother, man, has changed a franchise around in a matter of months. In a matter of months, he's done changed the franchise around in a matter of months. In a matter of months, he's completely changed that franchise around

and given the fans and the city of Houston hope from now on for the next 10 years. Man, he's sensational. I mean, those slam pass to Nico Collins, that touchdown to Brevin Jordan, who turned on the Jets. He's like, oh, y'all, hey, oh, y'all trying to catch me? Hey, he turned on the Jets, hitting them bowls'all okay oh y'all tried to catch me hey he turned on the jazz hitting them hitting them bowls on them it was a wrap it peaced everybody out it's unbelievable the defense got ocho remember i talked i said hey ocho i like the browns i said but you got

to be careful i say black putting up big numbers i said he's turning the ball over also and i say see what's happening is people are just looking at the positive and don't see, yeah, he threw up at 350 yards. Right. Two picks. Yeah. I said, yeah, he threw for this many. I said, okay. He got 10 touchdowns in this many games.

Okay, but going to that column to the right a little further. How many INTs? I said, and come playoff time, you pay double for turnovers. Yeah. And if you have an issue it gets exacerbated

so what was Flacco's problem in the regular season turnovers back to back game's over game's over game's over I mean they got up to a great start and then the offense bogged down

and you know it was it was a decent game right before they have but i mean uh what you call them score that touchdown right before the half and then they got the ball it didn't do anything that was cleveland's opportunity to try to see that it had something going and then flackers throws that pick they run that back and then they go for it on fourth down great Great defensive. Hey, know the ball's got to come out quick. Yeah. He jumps it to the house. Ball game's over.

You ain't coming in the playoffs. You give up two big sixes, it's over. Nah, it's a wrap. It's a wrap from that. It's a wrap from that point on. Listen, I like what I saw from the Browns. Obviously, defensively, they played well all year long. Yeah.

In a situation like that with playoffs, playoffs at stake, you need better consistent play from your quarterback. Yeah. And not putting the ball, not putting the ball in harm's way.

Obviously, the Browns didn't look like the same Browns they did when they played Houston early in the season when I think was the Case Keenum. Wait,

who was the backup quarterback for the Texans? Case Keenum. Yeah, with a different ballgame. I tweeted that out also before the game. I tweeted it out. Who do y'all think?

Who y'all got today? Now, mind you, keep in mind now, C.J. Stroud didn't play the first game. So this Texans team in the offense is going to look a lot different than it did when they played the Browns the first time. Correct. And look what happens. Lo and behold, C.J. Stroud shows up like he's been in the league. I Correct. And look what happens. Lo and behold, CJ Stroud shows up like he's been in the league

I don't know how many years and is surgical. Yeah. Surgical from the spot. Yeah. They did a number, they did a great job on Miles Garrett

and Z'Darrius Smith. You know, Cleveland had the number one pass defense and they didn't do any damage to CJ. You got to get him off his spot. You got to get him off his spot.

You got to make him uncomfortable as much as you can. I don't care who the quarterback is. You got to get him off his spot. If you let him do what he normally does, most quarterbacks will pick you apart. And that's not, and that's from, I don't care how great,

not a great one really can find ways to win. Even if you get them off their mark, but you got to make it difficult. I mean, you just let him sit back there and throw the ball. Oh, he goes, Oh, he goes drop it in there. find ways to win even if you get them off their mark. But you got to make it difficult. I mean, you just let him sit back there and throw the ball. Oh, he going to drop it in there like Warren Moon. The ball going up and down. I mean, he's unbelievable. I mean, a perfect

tight spiral. I mean, guys catching it in stride. Ain't nobody having to like turn around and open their hips and catch the ball and like, damn, you gave me a better ball. I could have done something with that. Yes, Ojo. He put it in the pocket turn around and open the hips and catch the ball. Like, damn, you gave me a better ball. I could have done something with that. Nothing but accuracy. Yes, Ocho. He put it in the pocket and giving guys opportunity to run after the catch.

That's all you – for a wide receiver tight end, a guy that catches the ball, that's all I'm asking. Give me an opportunity to do something with it. But, Nico, Nico Collins special, man. Oh, you that dude. I don't know if – I don't know if – obviously, it's his third year. It's the year of either you made it or you got dude. I don't know if I don't know if it's obviously it's his third year is the year of either you made it

or you didn't. Your third year is you're making a break here. Yeah, for sure. If I'm not if I'm if I'm not mistaken, I think it's Nico calling third year man. He was six. He had a TD today. He has arrived. He has arrived. No Tang Dale. Man. Who do you think the Texans got to play now? They're going to play. The winner out of. They would have four seed.

So they'll play. They'll be whoever. They'll play. Not the winner out of. No, the lower seed, they would go Baltimore. Oh, shit. Ouch.

Unless Pittsburgh. If Pittsburgh beats Buffalo, Pittsburgh goes to Baltimore. Right. And then Kansas... Yeah, Pittsburgh would go to Baltimore. And then, hold on.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not confused. Yeah, Pittsburgh would go to Baltimore because they're the seventh seed. And then Buffalo would get, no, hold on, Kansas. Yeah, the Bills win. If the Bills win, they play the Chiefs, and then the Texans go to... Right. That's what happens. If Pittsburgh win, Pittsburgh goes to Baltimore,

and then the Texans go to Kansas City. If Buffalo wins, the Texans go to Baltimore, and Kansas City goes to Buffalo. That's what happens. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. And the funny thing about it is with Stroud, I think if they have to face the Chiefs, what we expected or what we needed, I'm not saying expected. Well, obviously, we expected as a Dolphin fan, what we wanted Tua to do is what I think C.J. Stroud will be able to do. Yeah.

And utilizing the weapons. Singletary will be able to do. Yeah. And utilizing the weapons. Singletary will be able to establish a run. They will find ways to be creative, move Inigo Collins around. And the Texans are a team that you don't want to play come playoff time. You know what I'm saying? Three points ain't going to cut it. You know what I'm saying? Not with the scoring. You know what makes the Texans scary? you know the thing is three points ain't finna cut it you know the thing is you know what

what makes the Texans scary what they don't effing know they're not supposed to be here that's the problem yeah somebody forgot to tell them you got a rookie head coach and a rookie quarterback you're not supposed to be this good right now.

Right, right. Now you got a problem on your head because they know we belong. Right. They believe they belong. Belong, right. You got a problem on your head. Mm-hmm. Excuse me.

And if they don't turn the ball over, in which they don't, I mean, C.J. Stroud doesn't turn the ball over. He protects the ball. Man. This is a team for the future. I don't know where else. Look, I understand Stefanski had a

great year. Dan Campbell had a great year. There's a lot of worthy. But if D'Amico arrives, it's not unanimous coach of the year. With a rookie quarterback and CJ Stroud, look, like I said, we talked about this. We understand Puka

broke the record's most catches by a rookie. He broke Jalen Waddle's record. Most receiving yards, Bill Gorman. But it's CJ. CJ's rookie of the year. Different. CJ's rookie of the year.

CJ's rookie of the year. Congratulations to the Texans. 45-14 win over the Browns. Proving that they're not a fluke. This is not an accident. It's not luck. They belong. They deserve.

They earned the right to be in the playoffs, and they earned a victory. Ain't no deserve. At this point in time, you earn it. You don't get it. Deserve? Deserve what? You earn what you get. Right. They earned this opportunity, and you see what they're capable of doing. This is unbelievable.

Congratulations to the Houston Texans. You got a coach, and you got a quarterback. Houston fans, y'all don't have a problem. Y'all don't have a problem. Houston, you got a problem. You don't. Absolutely. For got a problem. You don't. Absolutely. For the next decade.

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taking over that title from Sean McVay. Mayo is a month younger than McVay. Gerard Mayo was a linebacker with the Patriots from 2008 to 2015 after being selected in the first round. Mayo joined Belichick's coaching staff in 2019, serving as the linebacker coach. The Patriots were able to forego the standard hiring process and immediately hire Mayo because it established a succession plan

in the contract extension he signed last offseason. Similar to what the Ravens did with their general manager position, Eric DaCosta, who succeeded Ozzie Newsome. I know Eric, know Ozzie as well. So let's talk about Coach Belichick. Yeah. Because I don't think we were on when the news broke that coach belichick was stepping down but we could we kind of saw this and i kind of felt that when they first started with the self-workership broke the article about coach belichick wanting to move and he

wanted to assert jimmy g and mr craft said no you will get rid rid of Jimmy G. And he basically gave him away for a second round pick to Kyle Shanahan because he thinks so much of Kyle. I said the next time, and this will come up again, the next time Coach Belichick is going to win out. Yeah. He won out, and he probably would have got some grace had Tom Brady not won that Super Bowl in Tampa. Yeah.

Because I believe that Coach Belichick told Mr. Craft that Tom Brady was on his last legs. And he probably told him, Bob, Robert, whatever, I think he called it Robert. Mm-hmm. Tom doesn't have it anymore. Right. He says, okay, Billy, I'm going to trust you.

You're close to it, blah, blah, blah. Mm-hmm. And they moved on. And you moved on and you didn't get no compensation? No compensation? Somebody pulled the trigger a little too fast. Somebody pulled the trigger a little too fast. Listen, for one, they had to get rid of Jimmy G.

I love Tom. I love Tom. But one thing I think a rid of Jimmy G I love Tom I love Tom but one thing I think a quarterback of that magnitude doesn't want is somebody over your shoulder yeah that they feel is adequate to run the offense and take over mm-hmm I think that's the reason I'm not sure who's dealing it was or who made the decision to get rid of Jimmy G. But then it takes the pressure off of Tom as well,

because I think Bill at some point would have wanted to get rid of Tom, thinking he's on his last leg and allow that team to go forward and Jimmy G as a starting quarterback. Of course. Because here's the thing, Ocho. At some point in time, if you're not careful, when you got to

and you're successful, and it's a dual system, who's going to get the credit? And I ain't talking about, I don't want to hear nothing about no 50-50. When you talk about, oh I don't want to hear nothing about no 50-50. We talk about, oh, this marriage, there ain't no marriage 50-50.

Somebody gives a little bit more than the other. Coach Belichick wanted to prove that he could win a championship without Tom Brady. I'll go to my grave believing that. I don't believe Tom wanted to leave New England. Nah. I don't believe he wanted to leave New England. I don't believe he wanted to leave New England, but he was

tired of Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick had said things and made, you know, when Tom had the gash in his hand and he said, well, it wasn't open heart surgery. And Tom's like, bro, are you serious?

I'm not saying I had a transplant but don't minimize it don't make it seem like it was a nothing right so and when I think Tom was like what they did is last year there they took money and they gave it to him like they made his

salary like 23 million but they took all the years off and they couldn't franchise him. I said, you go home. Yeah. If you want Tom Brady, you extend him. It's as simple as that. If they want you, they can just go ahead and extend.

Especially you, a bat. You proving your worth. You just extend him. Why not just extend him for another two years? Because Belichick was ready to move on. Tom wasn't ready to move on. Tom wasn't ready to move on. Tom moved on out of necessity. He's like, well, hell, you don't put me

outside. I might as well leave. Now I'm not going to stay on your porch, and I'm not going to beg you to stay. Yeah. Jump the gun. Jump the gun big time. In order to have success, and we can see it. We look at the landscape of all the quarterbacks,

all the teams that have had success, all the teams that are having success right now, since Tom left New England, you got to have a quarterback. And Belichick has not been able to answer that question. Belichick has not been able to fill that role and fill that void of someone that is adequate enough to obviously run the offense because your defense is good. The defense is good.

I don't care what the New England record says. That defense shows up to play week in and week out. But if you have a quarterback that can run the offense and at least compete week in and week out, then you would be okay. Belichick would still be coaching the New England Patriots and Gerard Mayer wouldn't have that job if he had a quarterback

that was competent. All he had to do was just keep keep Brady for those three look here there's something and I get it sometimes and I go back and forth because you know when you play a player you play you I mean but it wasn't like was he the same but he didn't have and and I think it was a blessing and a curse because he didn't have the talent that he got when he got to Tampa. He didn't have a Mike Evans. He didn't have a Godwin. He didn't have a Gronkett tied in in New England.

If you'd have gave him that, I believe he could have won another Super Bowl in New England. Yeah, most definitely. And I think even not having those type of individuals and those type of players, he would have been able to overcome that because he's familiar with the system. He's familiar with the players that were there.

Hold on, Ojo. From a Seth Wickersham article yesterday, Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore. Kraft said privately after watching Brady win a Super Bowl in Tampa. And he, no, check this out. I get so excited. Seth Wickersham article yesterday. Bill had told me he couldn't play anymore, Kraft said

privately, after watching Brady win in Tampa and goes out and wins a effing Super Bowl. Both men sent Brady congratulatory texts, but they had lost control of the narrative of their own careers. And they both knew that the team celebrating a seventh title should have been their team.

And it wound up and it and the wound began to fester. Mm hmm. I don't know. You got damn chickens before they hatch. You never listen. Telling a man someone like Brady, knowing what he went through, seventh round pick, all the Super Bowls he's brought you, all the success he's brought you, all of a sudden telling them, you know what, you ain't got it no more.

We don't even want you no more. If you could say that, he threw for 4,000 yards. But let's just say for his last year in New England was a down year. You mean to tell me one down year, that man, after all the goodwill that man had given you, he can't have one down year. You mean to tell me one down year that man after all the good will that man had given you, he can't have one down year? Seriously. One down. So you mean to tell me after

everything that man had given you, that man can't have an offseason. If you said whatever he threw for, I think he still threw for 4,000 yards. I think it's, what did he threw for his last year. Hold on just a second, ladies and gentlemen. What did Brady last year in New England, which was 2019?

You mean to tell me, Ocho, Tom Brady, after everything that he's given you, he can't have one offseason and you're ready to move on? That's not the way Bill think. Bill was the owner. Bill was the owner. Bill was the GM. Bill was the head coach. He made all the calls. He made all the shots. He did all the drafting. He did everything.

But I think what Bill failed to realize is no matter who you drafted, no matter who you brought there, as long as the nucleus and centerpiece to that franchise was there, it was going to always work. It was going to always work, especially offensively. The pieces to the puzzle on offense changed consistently year in and year out for almost damn near 17 years. But as long as that

number 12 piece was there, you always knew that that offense was going to be able to function and work just like an engine. No matter what pieces you put in there, it was going to run. All you had to do was start the goddamn key and press the pedal. The car was going to drive itself. Long as you had the same person behind the wheel. He threw for 4,057 yards, 24 touchdowns,

eight picks on a 12-4 record. So let's just say for the sake of argument, and that's what you and I, we debate sometimes. We're not even having a conversational show. We're having a discussion. Let's just say that's a down year for Tom Brady. You willing to move on from him

with that? He was thinking maybe he was the reason on why he was successful that's the only thing I can think of because if you don't even have an answer for Tom and getting someone

out the draft putting up numbers like that oh you see what CJ Stroud has done and thinking well maybe I can but you'll never be high enough to get a CJ Stroud and even Tom Brady wasn't that his first year even his first year starting and thinking, well, maybe I can get lucky. But you'll never be high enough up to get a C.J. Stroud. And even Tom Brady, Tom Brady wasn't that his first year. Even his first year starting, Tom Brady wasn't bad.

Right. Hell, if it was Coach Belichick, Drew Bledsoe would have done it. Remember? So if any quarterback can work in that system, Drew Bledsoe should have been able to do what Tom Brady did. Yeah. If any quarterback can do it. Because Drew Bledsoe was the first quarterback to get

$100 million contract. He had a team to the Super Bowl. So if it's the system, okay, why didn't he do it? Yeah. Different man. So, and look at the guy, look at the receivers and the running back and the skill

position players once they live leave new england how they look dion branch was super bowl mbp how did he look in seattle that was that boy now how did he look in seattle after winning the super bowl mbp tell the people at home see uh uh ocho they didn't know how did he look it's different it's different it's different outside of that system and the way they wait the way they're able to use you when they use you it's different different that offense was and i think i mentioned it on a few shows ago when i said it's one of the few offenses in the league where the offense is run from the inside out, not from the outside in. It's one of the few, one of the few, if not the only, matter of fact, that is run like that.

Your first look is your slots, your one, you work from the inside out. Your slot, your tight end, hell, your third choice might be the running back. Sometimes your first choice might be the running back. Sometimes your first choice might be the running back. Then you go to the outside. Ego. Ego does it every time. But I think Mr. Craft, Mr. Craft, and I know him and I talk

to him every time I see him, I give him a big old hug because he's always been great to me. And the one thing he'll always tell me is that you do your homework. You're very well prepared. Oh, yeah. I think always been great to me. And the one thing he'll always tell me is that you do your homework. You're very well prepared. Oh, yeah. I think they're so

opposite, Mr. Krabs and Coach Belichick. They're so opposite each other. Complete opposite. But because you're winning, he stomached a lot of things that Coach Belichick was doing.

Where Jerry Jones' ego was so big, he couldn't do lot of things that Coach Belichick was doing, where Jerry Jones' ego was so big, he couldn't do it anymore. Right. And it cost him. Mr. Kraft says, I got as much as I could. I should have got seven. You cost me one, Bill. Yeah. Jerry

is doing everything he possibly can to get that one, to get another one. What happens if, but whatever, I would love the Cowboys to continue to make a long run into the playoffs. Mm-hmm.

If they don't, what are the chances of a Jerry Jones and a Bill Belichick working together? Never. Bro, he got rid of Jimmy. Who finds a back-to-back been together. Never. Bro, he got rid of Jimmy. Who

finds a back-to-back winning Super Bowl coach, Ocho? Right. Let that sink in. You know how hard it is. You played all, you played what, 12 years in the league and never won one. No. I won one on Madden. I won one on Madden.

The coach won back-to-back Super Bowls, and your top three players, none are over the age of 28. Can't get out your own way, huh? So Belichick and Dallas, not happening. That ain't happening. That's not happening. That's not happening. Since Parcells, Jerry's only

hired guys that have the head coach title and name only. He's the head coach. Why you think he be giving press conference? Why you think he's telling you who's going to start and who's injured and how long they're going to be out? Maybe they brief Jerry first and then Jerry says,

Jerry regurgitates it. We won't allow the coaches to actually be the coach. And I say that, I hope he stays in the back, in the background throughout the playoffs. I hope he stays in the background

and just don't do it. Don't add no bulletin board material. Don't add no added pressure to the team. Allow them boys and allow them to just go out there and play. But, you know, I like the Gerard Mayo hire. I do too.

I do. I mean, guys, he's familiar with the system. He's familiar with how the organization works. It works. Yeah. I was there with him one year.

Very, very, very, very, very brilliant, brilliant mind, brilliant defensive mind and really knows and understands the game to the point where, obviously, it was a no-brainer as far as him being a successor to Bill Belichick.

But for his sake and what he still needs to do, they still need a quarterback on him. Yeah. They still need a quarterback, or we're just going to be back in the same situation three years from now. Yep. He needs a quarterback. They got to get him a quarterback.

I'm not sure who they're going to get, if it's going to be through free agency, whether it's going to be through the draft, but they got to get a quarterback so they can build from there. That's for starters. That's for starters. Getting the head coach job is one thing. Once you figure that quarterback situation,

that's a burden off your shoulders, and you can go from there. Yeah, I agree. Three players make first team All-Pro, but did not make the Pro Bowl. Antoine Winfield Jr., Armand Ross St. Brown, and Quincy

Williams. Coach, I don't know if people know this, that the All-Pro team is over the entire NFL. When you make a Pro Bowl, it's the AFC, it's the NFC that the All-Pro team is over the entire NFL. When you make a Pro Bowl, it's the AFC, it's the NFC. The All-Pro team is a higher honor than the Pro Bowl. Both are honors,

but the All-Pro team, that means I'm one of the two best receivers in the entire league. Not one of the four best receivers in my conference. So, go ahead. What do you like?

I thought Antoine Winfield Jr. should have made the Pro Bowl over Buda Baker. Easily. Easily. Statistically. Statistically speaking, if you look at the stats, it's a no-brainer almost. None. So, at some point, they used to say this even during my time when I was playing at the Pro Bowl. Sometimes the players weren't deserving, but because they had done great things in the past, it became somewhat a popularity contest. Of course.

And because their name is there, they were making Pro Bowls based on their name alone, not the stats that they put up throughout the season. True. I think this was Buda Baker, obviously, great player. Great, great player. I love Buda. I love what he's done. One of my favorite safeties to watch. He reminds me of Bob Sanders, the way he just plays a game

and has no regard for his body or anybody else's. But this year, it should have been Antoine Winfield Jr. But he didn't earn a Pro Bowl slot this year. I ain't going to say deserved. He didn't earn it this year. Antoine Winfield Jr. earned that spot. Yeah, he did. He did. It's unfortunate.

Hey, Amon St. Brown should have been in the Pro Bowl. Okay. If you put him in, who you taking out? Remember now, when you put somebody in, you got to take somebody out. You got to take somebody out? You taking C.D. out? No, you can't take C.D. Come on. You taking A.J. Brown out?

A.J. Brown had a phenomenal year. You taking your boy Puka out? You can't. Not with what he's done as a rookie. You taking Mike Emerson out? See, that's tough, man. Now that you just said he's blowing the promo,

so you got to take somebody out on you. Yeah, see, you can't. You can't. So it's unfair. It's damn near unfair. But he deserves to be there. But make an All-Pro, making an All-Pro for him in his 30,

this is St. Brown's 30, Amon's 30, ain't it? Yeah. It's the perfect year to make it, especially be All-Pro. If you don't make the Pro Bowl, having that All-Pro on your resume speaks volumes.

It speaks volumes, especially when it's time for that Brink truck. Oh, yeah when it's time for that Brink truck. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. Pro Bowl? Yeah.

All Pro. I take the All Pro much. I take the All Pro. Oh hell yeah. That's leverage right there now. I mean, it's nice to think that, okay, to have a season, you know,

I've been very fortunate to make a, I was an All Pro in all, you know, I've been very fortunate to make a... I was an all-pro in all, you know, four of my eight pro... in my pro bowl, four of my eight, I was first-team all-pro. Right. Second-team and another one. So I get it. But

the big... the first one was the most important to me because my brother was an all-pro. To have two brothers, same year, first-team all-pro, I brothers same year, first year, more pro. I thought that was a big, yeah. Yeah. So once I thought that was a positive,

but I got to get this thing. I tried to get it. Yeah. I tried to get a thousand yards that season, but I fell five yards short. That's neither here nor there, but you're right. Oh, Joe,

to be a, an all pro. And like I said, I don't want people to think that the pro bowl is not an honor. It is a great honor, but all pro is a higher honor. It is. It's a great honor. But the All-Pro is a higher honor because it encompasses the entire league, not just a conference.

It's not just NFC and AFC. Because if you notice, like the AFC, the quarterbacks, you take three quarterbacks. There are six quarterbacks going to the Pro Bowl. Yeah. There's only one starting quarterback for the All-Pro team.

First team, that's Lamar Jackson. And then the backup, I think, was Dak. Who's the second team All-Quarterback? Dak Prescott or Brock Purdy? Because I think both of those guys got two votes. They got two votes, and I think, what you call them, got one vote, Josh Allen.

That was the second team. Okay. That was the second team quarterback for the All-Pro team. Right. Okay. How many All- team quarterback for the All-Pro team. Right. Okay. And a lot. All-Pro. How many All-Pros do you think I went to? Ocho with a two.

Oh, you were two-time first-team All-Pro. That's it? Two? Two and a six-time Pro Bowler. Oh, they cheated me, man. They cheated me. They got you? Yeah, they cheated me, bro. I should have been

all pro at least four, five times. Yeah. Damn. I can still play now. I can lace them up. They can use my services next year. Most of the time, I don't even lace up my shoes. I can't lace up nothing.

I can't even tell nobody no lie with you. Sometimes, my shoes, I just be walking around, lacing up top, stepping over shoes. I ain't l lace up nothing I ain't gonna tell nobody I can't even tell nobody no lie with Joe sometimes my shoes I just be walking around lacing up top stepping over shoes I ain't lacing up nothing nothing huh

nope nope I can't and Quincy Williams made it as an all pro oh yeah hey he nice yeah oh yeah

he a thumper he nice oh he definitely a thumper he coming down here with bad intentions he nice yeah I like him I like him a lot He nice. Oh, he definitely a thumper. He coming down here with bad intentions. He nice. Yeah.

I like him. I like him a lot. I like the fact that he like, yeah, I know my brother Quinny, but hey, I'm making a name for my damn self. Quinny ain't making no tackles for me. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of times, you know, people think, you know, for the longest time, Ocho, what I had to overcome,

people talk about, oh, man, you got to the NFL, call your brother. Huh? You never make it off a name, man. That ain't work. That might work in college. Yeah. Sterling Sharp couldn't help the Broncos? What good is Sterling Sharp? Oh. Man,

please. I had a good idea to make them plays. You got to have some type of, you got to be able to play the game. You got to bring some type of value and be able to help that 53-man roster. Yes. You got to be able to play the game you got to bring some type of value and be able to help that 53 man roster yes you got to be able to help there ain't no ain't no charity in nfl at all so three players three players make first team all pro but did not to make the pro. Deserved. Excuse me. You earned first team all pro. Congratulations. So hopefully that

lessens the sting of not making the Pro Bowl. It should. DJ Moore says he doesn't work out in the offseason. Instead, he stays at Disney World, drinks Mountain Dew, and smokes cigars. Take off Ocho. Ocho versus science.

So you didn't work out either, huh? I worked out in all seasons. No, no, no. You said Ocho versus science. I'm talking about the cigar. I like the cigar part. I like the cigar part and the Mountain Dew. I like that part.

Ocho. Yes, sir. Why do you feel? So how did that make you feel... So, you feel... So, how did that make you feel? You feel like you said something, huh? Not really. I mean, listen.

DJ Moore does what works for DJ Moore. Chad Johnson did what works for Chad Johnson. Ocho Cinco did what works for Ocho Cinco. My regime or routine was a little different than everybody. One thing you do know about me, if you do know, even if you do know even if you don't well i work like a madman i work like a madman i work like a crazed dog in the off season during season when i ain't supposed to be working i'm still working i ain't played the game in almost a decade i'm still training right now like i'm playing and i'm gonna get opportunity i'm gonna

get a phone call i don't that's me. I just like to be doing something. I like to be doing something active and just, but listen, DJ Moore, I think maybe he exaggerated a little bit. I think maybe this is

probably being taken out of context because I'm sure he does do something active wise. I'll tell you what he hadn't done, made a Pro Bowl on all protein. He hadn't done that. Was DJ Moore a first-round pick? But let me guess.

Okay, when he was in Carolina. So he turned it up. Okay, he was a – so what? So that explains it. Hey, DJ Moore nice now. Don't do that. DJ Moore nice. Did you see DJ Moore and CJ and Justin Fields go to work this year?

Hold on. So if He's so nice. Is he a top 10 receiver? Top 10? Top 10. He could be. No, I ain't talking about could be. I don't have everybody's

name. Okay. You're taking him over Tyreek. You're taking him over CD. You're taking him over AJ Brown. You're naming all the you naming all the top dogs I gotta get to 10 oh cho damn okay get to 10 then

keep going okay so Tyreek CD AJ Brown Puka who you gotta book

give me give me the give me the receivers that made the Pro Bowl as you gonna put that give me the receivers that made the Pro Bowl. Give me the receivers that made the Pro Bowl. Mike Evans. Mike Evans. Okay.

Armond Ray St. Brown. Okay, that's six. Justin Jefferson. Jamar Chase. Ooh, shit. I know. Ooh, don't do all that. Don't do all that.

Come on, give me two more. You taking Zay Flowers over him? Ooh. Let me have a go. I'm going to have to go. Hey, DJ. Oh, Devontae Adams? You taking Devontae over him?

Hey, you know what? Maybe he's not in the top 10. Maybe he's not in the top 10, right? Stay with me now. I don't know. No, no, no. We can't do maybe. That ain't what we do here, though, Joe.

Is he a top-tier receiver? It's a simple yes or a simple no. Okay, tier two. Tier two. Tier two. You know how you say there are tiers of receivers. He's a great tier two with the ability to be tier one. Can I do that? I'm taking Pittman over him.

I'm taking Nico Collins over him. I'm taking Pittman from Andy over him. I'm taking Nico Collins of the Houston Texans over him. You are too. I'm taking Amari Cooper over him. You are too.

And what about your dog? I thought you loved George Pickens. Now you don't like Pickens? That's my dog. What about DK Metcalf? Oh, that's that boy too. Oh, what about Debo? Hey, do you see?

What about Debo? Brandon, are you? Now you know now, now I'm at 18. I just gave you 18 guys. But listen, you understand how well DJ Moore played guys but listen you you understand how well DJ Moore played this season do you understand

what DJ Moore did for the Chicago Bears this season he about to get out of the top 20 you keep on talking I'm going to name some more guys I don't like where you're going with this

you may listen you're making me uncomfortable you're making me uncomfortable I'm going to keep on you keep on talking I'm going to name some more guys I want to start I ain't even put Brandon Ayuk in there yet yeah I called his name already You keep on talking, I'm going to name some more guys. I want to start.

I ain't even put Brandon Ayuk in there yet. Yeah, I called his name already. You didn't call Brandon Ayuk. I did. I said Ayuk when you said Depot. I said Brandon Ayuk. Okay. I think this is being blown out of proportion.

I think out of context, I think he might have said this jokingly. I didn't see the interview. I didn't see where it was said. But I guarantee you, he didn't really mean it like that. He didn't mean it like that. Trust me. All receivers, they all work out in the offseason. They all get together. They all do something. I think, obviously, the Disney World

thing might have been a joke. I think he probably does smoke cigars. I bet he probably does drink Mountain Dew. He put D-Hop in there. Hey, boy, Mr. Consistency. Probably the best hands of all time. That's a good one.

That's a good one. You done named some dogs. And the guy, we done pretend like we done forgot about him. My cup runneth over. Cooper Cup. Oh, yeah. Mr. Triple Crown. Yes!

Hey, you know what? The league right now. The receiver. The receiver's a deep. You make the Pro Bowl or you make an all-pro team, you should be honored. Yeah, you that boy. You that boy. You should be honored.

Based off everybody's name, you just named, it's some, that's a tough crowd. That's a tough crowd, man. It used to be like that. Because think about it. In the mid 80s until like the mid 90s, it was one spot available

for first team all pro. You know, Jerry was going to get one. So now you got, you got my brother, you got Chris Carter, you got Herman Moore, you got Andre Rising,

you got Andre Reed, you got Tim Brown, you got all those guys fighting for one spot yeah because jay gonna get the other one you already know jay gonna get 150 targets what you want right uh isaac bruce all those guys you're talking about, there was one spot available. Jimmy Smith. Yes! Damn. Hey, you know what's funny? There have been some great receivers that aren't spoken on enough.

And that is to mention that you're jogging my memory of the 80s and the 90s, the early 2000s, and even today's game. The receivers have always been plentiful. Always. Always. It's always been loaded.

Always. Oh, that's crazy when you think about it like that. Always. But DJ Moore is good. Yeah, he's a solid receiver. DJ Moore is good. I really don't think he really meant what he was saying here, though. Sometimes what guys try to do, oh, man, I'm doing all this and I don't think he really meant what he was saying here though sometimes what guys

try to do oh man I'm doing all this and I don't really work out but you know I mean come on bro I mean nobody looking at you like oh man you in the NFL so what you got to the NFL and you didn't work out at all so you just got here you're the only player that ever got to the NFL so you be the only you be the first and

only player that doesn't work out in the NFL stop he work doesn't work out in the NFL. Stop. He work out. He work out. I know he do because you wouldn't be able to have the season you had this year and not work out. You wouldn't have been able to do some of the things you did in the past with the Panthers without working out. He put that work in. He put

that work in. He should. But see, I named 20 receivers. I don't like that. I don't like that. Well, you the one that said, let me think. You're talking about maybe. Let me think about it. So I named 10. You said no.

I named 10 more. You put me in an uncomfortable spot with my fellas, man. Check this out. Bulls fan, boo, widow of Jaron Krause doing the Bulls Ring of Honor ceremony. Ocho is embarrassing. You know what? Wait a minute. Stay with me.

You understand people. You understand how people are very fickle. People have a memory. People have understanding. The way he was depicted in the last dance gave me a better understanding on why they might have booed people i think should be forgiven forgiving for the fact we would the way he was depicted but that's not jerry that's his wife that's his wife oh joe well them people don't why we talk what you you you you looking for graciousness from society But you know they don't play that.

I don't agree with the booing. I'm just trying to get people to understand that, okay, you're connected to someone that has something to do with back in the days. Things didn't sit well. From my understanding, he didn't treat people as well as he should have. And this was the result. Oh, and we forgot Stefan Diggs too. Oh. Come on.

I didn't mention Gary Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London. I'm done. I'm done. I'm done with it. We passed that. Yeah. Hold on. Jerry Wilson, Chris Olave, Drake London. I'm done. I'm done with it, Ochoa. I'm done. We passed that. Hold on. Let me ask you a question.

You would have a better understanding and historic sense of Jerry Krause and what happened. I had to do my homework though in understanding why they booed. Can I ask you a question? Yes, sir. Did Michael Jordan treat everybody great? Did he? I'm asking you. You saw the last dance.

You told me you saw the last dance. So when the last dance was depicted, did he treat everybody great? Yes or no? No. I think that was part of what made him great. Oh, but it didn't make J.K. Krause great. Oh, so treating people bad only makes one person great, not the other. Oh, okay.

I'm just checking. No, no, no. Listen, listen. Michael Jordan was Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan was a different individual. Michael Jordan moved and acted a certain way. And that way is what made him who he is today, which is why he's the greatest of all time. Even no matter what you think about Michael Jordan without Jerry

Krause there are no titles Jerry Krause put this together you know how we know because when Michael Jordan had an opportunity to put a team together in Washington and he had 15 years to put the Bobcats together how many titles did they win what is the timing the timing the timing the timing and players available at that time to be able to put a team together is very important. He traded Charles Oakley and got Bill Cartwright. He moved up and got Scottie Pippen. He got Horace Grant. He got Tony Kukoc.

We got to give this man credit. If you want to give Michael Jordan credit for winning, give the guy that built it credit for doing that. I don't know what, listen, and I get it. The way he was depicted. Yeah. But, you know, they don't want to give him no credit. They make it seem like Michael Jordan. Okay, Michael Jordan says, I want Scottie Pippen.

I want Ho Grant. Or as a matter of fact, why don't you trade? He didn't like none of the moves. He didn't like when it got rid of Doug Collins, his guy. Yeah. Listen, you know more

about basketball. You know more about the history of basketball. I had to look up when I saw about the booing, I had to look up and see why are they booing so-and-so? Why does the widow have to then?

So I am not really knowledgeable on what Jerry Krause did back in that day. I did see the last dance. I understood the issues that Mike might have had with Jerry. It's unfortunate, but asking for grace from people in this era

and society in general, they ain't forgiving. They ain't forgetting nothing either. Jerry Krause was the one that brought in Tex Winter and Phil Jackson implemented the triangle offense what we see a lot of teams run the Lakers won five championships with that offense. The Bulls won

six. Steve Kerr was also there which he ended up taking that to the Golden State Warriors. Drafted Horace Grant. Traded Odin Polony for a guy named Scottie Pippen. Flipped Charles Oakley for Bill Cartwright, the starting center on the 91-92 championship team.

Scotty had selected Tony Kukoc in a 90 draft that would become an integral part. And then he picked up Ron Harper in 94. Traded Will Perdue for the worm. Huh? You mean to tell me he did all that? and you booed a man that did that yeah you know it'd be you know it'd be dope it would be dope well obviously we don't have the opportunity but it would it would be dope to hear people that are from chicago doing that era or maybe people

that are just fans of the game in general. Maybe that's even in the chat, watching. Why? How do you feel about it? Why would you boo? Why did they boo? To get a better understanding on why,

because it has to be deeper than what we talking about. It has to be. It has to be something else. Let me, I tell you what, it would be the equivalent when New England go

and they put Bill Belichick in the ring and they boo him because he traded Tom Brady. Nah, that ain't enough. That ain't enough. Why not? It's been, it's been what, seven years? How many years since Mr. Kraus passed away?

What, seven years ago, if I'm not mistaken right Maybe so I think so But something that long ago I don't think the people of New England The people of New England aren't booing because he traded Tom Brady I'm just saying If they did

I'm just saying if they booed Coach Belichick Oh you're using that as an example Yes I see you going with it it has to be more than that It has to be more than that People keep saying well he alienated who Because Michael was trying to trade Michael like North Carolina

Players Jay Kraus knew that those North Carolina players Yeah you tell me I can get James Worthy I'll take it if you tell them I can get James Worthy I'll take him. If you tell them I can get Sam Perkins, yes. But all those other guys, they couldn't play. He don't know.

I know. To be able to look Michael Jordan who was the face of the league and says, no I'm not training for those guys. I don't want those guys on this team and those guys can't help us win. Look at the guys, what he did. He did that.

And y'all, the boo for what? I bet you 50% of the people wasn't even around, wasn't even there when Jerry Krause was running the boos. I have a question. Let's say with all the changes and the people that Jerry Krause brought in,

you take Michael Jordan out the equation, do they still win those six championships? I tell you, I don't believe you take, if you take Jerry Krause out of there, I don't believe you win those six championships. I believe they go hand in hand. He put that team together. So.

How many championships he won before Kraus took over? Was Mike there? Yes, he was there in 84. He got there in 84. He's the third pick in the draft. Oh, rookie year. Yeah.

I mean, how many rookies have taken a team? Okay, 85. Okay, 85, 86, 87, 88, not i mean when they he didn't he didn't went to year six huh jordan he won in 91 okay yeah you you might you might be right you might be on to something all i'm saying is the equivalent coach belichick put the patient together he deserves some credit. Even if you want to say Jordan

deserved Jordan and Phil, we want to give the guy to actually compete the lion's share of the credit. I got no problem with that. I really don't, Ocho. But to say that this man had no bearing or minimal bearing in the success of the Bulls

is just not true. It's just not true. It's just not true. Because if it was that easy, why isn't everybody winning championships? If just anybody can just willy-nilly, arbitrarily just put a team together, why isn't it working like that? Nah, shit me.

Listen, timing and the right people coming along, putting the puzzle together. Those are the right pieces to the puzzle, which is why we're able to do it. I mean shit even I understand you know I'm not I'm not big on basketball you know that I'm not big on basketball I had a had a time where I was able to watch Jordan you know as I was growing up my grandfather watching Jordan so I was forced to be forced to have to watch during that time didn't know what the hell was going on yes but

got an understanding on how great jordan is as i as i continued to grow and get older and understanding he was a standard he was standing on what greatness is right so i kind of i somewhat understood i already know listen ain't no way in hell y'all should be born what jerry kaufs did for that organization during that time. But then I also understand society and that they are not forgiven at all. Whatever it may be, there's a bad taste that was left in their mouth.

I'm not sure what that taste is. That didn't boo Jordan when he retired for a year and a half. We talk about Joe. We talk about that boy. What you need to make up your mind, you say society is not forgiving. Are they forgiving or are they not?

So you don't think Jordan ever got booed? You saw what they did to LeBron, huh? When LeBron left Cleveland? You see them burning jerseys? I'm saying Jordan. You said society is unforgiving. They welcomed him with open arms. I get, let's just say for the sake of argument, people

are upset because the way he was portrayed in the last dance is that he broke up the championship team. Did he not put it together? So he is the reason it broke up.

That's what it was portrayed as. What do you think? What do you think in general? Jerry Ryan's door fell. Look, they were, look, Scottie Pippen was on his lap.

You remember Scottie Pippen that back had gone out. Oh yeah, his back. Yeah, they had started to age. Look, I would have loved

to see them come back at least one more year and to see. Maybe he broke it up a year early. He says, I'd rather break it up a year early as opposed

to a year late. It's the same thing. Are the New England Patriots fans going to say, Bill, you broke us up, broke our championship up because we could have got another championship with Tom Brady. That's all I'm saying. Coach Belichick

picked all the players. He made all the trades. Yes, Tom was the guy that's making all those comebacks. Yes, but if we're going to give Coach Belichick for putting it together, because it seems like to me, Mr. Kraus says, yeah, okay, you had three years to put something else together, and it's not. Hey, okay, hey, things happen. People be together.

People been married for 25 years, and all of a sudden they grow apart. Yeah. But all I'm saying is, I just, look, things happen. People be together. People been married for 25 years and all of a sudden they grow apart. Yeah. But all I'm saying is, I just, look, and I get it, but I just don't, I'll never understand why. It's kind of like Commissioner Goodell. Like every time he goes somewhere,

they booing him. What y'all booing him for? Because y'all saw somebody else boo and y'all saw this fan base boo and that fan base boo and y'all keep that boo job going. It's dumb, actually, for me. So I'm just trying to figure out what are you booing for?

Tell me what are you booing for? Every draft. Same thing. Y'all still watch it. The ratings go up every single year. The attendance go up every single year. But every time he come out for the draft, y'all boo. Why are you booing?

I just want to know why you're booing. Right. Well, it just seems like they started it once upon a time. Well, he suspended my favorite player or he did this.

And so, let's just keep it going. Yeah. There's always a reason behind it. And if you ask 100 people what's the reason for booing, you'll get 100 different answers. If you ask 100 different people

that are from Chicago or basketball fans of that time, during that tenure, during that era, why y'all born? Mr. Krause, he's not even here. His wife is here.

It's disrespectful. You get a hundred different answers on why. I've tried to figure out. Somebody tweeted about, fuck you, a thousand percent company man. How? I've been called.

I've been actually, I've been called a lot of things in my life. That's one thing I've never been called. A what? A company guy. What that mean? I guess I am a company guy because this is my damn show. You're exactly right. I'm a company guy.

This is my ish. So y'all just keep tweeting that, oh, you're coming to this, you're coming to that. You're absolutely right. Nightcap is my creation. This is me and Ocho. So we get to say? You coming to that? You're absolutely right. Nightcap is my creation. This is me and Ocho. So we get to say what the F we want. You're right. I am a company.

Now that I think about it, Ocho, I'm the damn company. Shay, Shay, me, that's me. Hold on. You got me lost now. You got to give me a better understanding of when somebody calls you a company guy. Because when you don't say, when you don't agree with what they agree with, they say you're a company person. So, like, when I was on FS1,

people were like, well, you're a company. How? You remember when Colin Kaepernick came out? I was the only one on television that took the stance that I took. They didn't even put it on the YouTube channel. I took that hit

when everybody was saying man it is what it is it was fun while it lasted if they say Shannon take your blood home I still had two and a half years left on my contract I would have went home I say what I want right I do my homework

y'all can't get mad I'm not listen I understand. I don't want everybody to agree with everything that I say. I don't think people should ever disagree. I'm, but I'm speaking. This is me talking. Here it is right here.

This is me right here. I got this for you. This is what you can see right there. See, there you go right there. There you go right there. That's it. There it is.

There it is. That's it, boop, there it is. There it is, Locho. That's it. So don't get mad. I think it was distasteful for them to boo that man's widow. Yeah. I go to my grave believing that. Yeah.

It is. That man did not harm. You see? You see how fans get so invested into a team? That man ain't harm. None of them personally. That man ain't harmed none of them personally. That man ain't do nothing to their family. Nothing.

And they booed him. Why? Well, he broke our championship team up. Well, it'd be so easy to put one together. Why the hell you hadn't put one together in damn near 25 years? Yeah, that's very, very difficult. And listen, look what happened. Maybe he should have got some credit, more credit

than he deserved. What do players do? What do players do? Or what do fans do when a player goes to another team and they come back to play in that stadium? They boo him. Every time. Let me ask you a question. Every time. Let me ask you a question.

Every time. Let's just say for the sake of argument, the Miami Heat retires LeBron Jersey. You think they're going to boo LeBron when he go back there? Hell, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Hell not. When they retire Jersey and Cleveland, you think they're going to...

You know damn well they ain't booing him out there in Cleveland. Thank you. Absolutely not. That's all I'm saying, Ocho. That's all I'm saying. You mean to tell me for one night that man,

you could see it in a face, the heartbreak, the anguish, the hurt. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, one thing about it,

fans don't forget nothing and they don't show you no grace if they all feel a certain way collectively, about it. Fans don't forget nothing and they don't show you no grace. If they all feel a certain way, collectively, no matter who it is. It was distasteful and disgraceful.

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was him. Look, to each his own. I think Travis Gilson, for me, is the GOAT based on what he's done. His large body of work. I mean, nine consecutive Pro Bowls. He had an outside chance. I think what was going to be his eighth consecutive

1,000-yard season, but he missed it. Remember, he missed the first game and the last game. That's something no tight end has ever had more than two consecutive thousand yard seasons. Right, right, right. He's done it eight times. Mm-hmm. And as much as you say, y'all make it seem like a nephew ain't show up in the playoffs.

I know Gronk has showed up in the playoffs, but y'all act like he hasn't. I would have loved to see had injuries not robbed Gronk of some of those seasons. Now we can have a more. But for me, that's just me. I mean, to each his own. I mean, some people say, OK, I still got Gronk. But for me, I think Trav, when I do his body of work in totality, I do playoffs, big games. There's never been a game

in which you said, man, Trav ain't having the day. Not in the playoffs. And the totality of his regular season and postseason for me, that's just me. But to each his own. If you got Gronk, that's okay.

Yeah, that's one of those situations where you can't go wrong either way you go. It's a win-win. It's all on preference. I think when it comes to that point, you got to be damn near meticulous on, well, this one didn't do this. You know, you got to nitpick and you got to find something wrong that the other didn't do

because it's a win-win either way you go. Gronk, Kelsey, again, at the end of the day, I do it all's a win-win either way you go gronk kelsey again at the end of the day i do it all the time when it comes to receivers that that are just great in their own right listen two different styles of players they still play the same position right they both get it done they just get it done differently you know there's more than one way to skin a cat and that's what they've showed i mean you just got to pick the person that you like based on preference but that's what it comes down to ojo but here's the thing when you're talking about the two the two best it shouldn't be a runaway yeah it should be close right right right it

should be yeah well i mean we're not we're not talking about we're not talking about uh aiden's rose roars in a 72 p and a 72 Pinto it should be it should be close so Joe so we're talking about two guys that dominated their era but I think the only discussion that we can have is between those two guys and I have the utmost respect for

Big Kel, Kelly Winslow Sr Ozzy, Mackie Dick I have the utmost respect for those guys. Wynton has great numbers. And Gates, Gates, my dog. Yes. But when it comes down to body of work, regular season and postseason, it's those two.

It really is. It's those two. Right. And I'm... So to each his own, wherever you want to rank them, but for me, I think Kelsey is. I like it. I like it.

I like it. Jamal Grant asks, under the right coach, can Kyle Pierce be Shannon Sharp 2.0? And don't lie. Yes. He can be better because he has fast... I love the way he moves. I like to see... When I watch a guy, I like to see how fluid he is.

I like to see... Can he drop his hips? Can he get in and out of breaks? Can I do something with him? Can he be more than an inline tight end? Can I put him in the slot? Can I put him out wide? Can he run in and out of breaks? Can I do something with him? Can he be more than an inline tight end? Can I put him in the slot? Can I put him out wide? Can he run us out route?

Can he run a slant route? How much can I do with him? He does all of that. He's a guy that I can do a majority. I can put a lot of different things on his plate, and he can eat it all. So, yes, he absolutely can be that. A big catch rate, he's what, 6'5"?

Yeah, 6'5", 4'4". Yeah, man. But you know what the problem is? Is you put a lot on his plate, and he can eat it all, but the goddamn Falcons ain't know what to do with him. No. The Falcons ain't know what to do with him.

I'm not sure who was calling the plays. I'm not sure where the creativity came in when it came to calling the plays with a player of his caliber. Right. Even coming off injury, his 80% and not being 100,

it's still better than most. Right. And the thing is, Ocho, you know when, when you get, I mean, the guy had 1,000 yards as a rookie. He ain't made me the tight end. I mean, the only tight end I can think of that's ever had had a thousand yards as a rookie. I mean, the only time that I can think of this ever had a thousand yards as a

rookie is Mike Ditka. Yeah. You got to go back to the sixties. This kid had a thousand yards. I say a kid, but he's a young man. So forgive me. This young man had a thousand yards as a true rookie.

And I understand that he got hurt, but you got to give him opportunities. You got to give him opportunities. You got to give him opportunities. And he got a Drake London? Yeah. Man, please. I'm not saying what he should have had. I believe he should have had more opportunities

and targets than what he got. Right. And what he do, what he does with those, but look, I mean, you got to get somebody that can get him the ball. Come on, man. You got Tyler Heineke and Taylor, was it

Taylor? Taylor Heineke. You got Heineke and Desmond Ritter. Come on, man. Come on now. I mean, you look at the tight ends. Look at the tight ends that made the Pro Bowl and look who they got throwing to them. Yeah. I mean, you look at Kelsey.

Look at Kittle. Look at Laporta, and then Joku. And Joku came when Flacco took over and Joku took off. Yeah. Crazy, huh? That's it. You just got to get somebody to give it. Someone can have all the talent in the world

but if you don't know how to use them and you can't get them the ball so what is it what is it exactly what they did over there in Atlanta

Ocho the difference is somebody that knows a cook a chef whatever you want to call them can come in your can come look in your

refrigerator and make you a meal those same ingredients you're like what the hell I'm supposed to do with this right a cook, a chef, whatever you want to call them can come look at your refrigerator and make you a meal those same ingredients, you're like what the hell am I supposed to do with this right that's what a player is that's an ingredient unless you know what the hell to do with it it just sits there and that's what we see far too many times

well this is my system your system ain't worth a damn if you don't use the players that you have you gotta cater your system to the players that you have don't tell me the players cater system your system ain't worth a damn if you don't use the players that you have yeah most definitely you gotta cater your system to the players that you have don't don't tell about the players catered to your system yeah and i mean that's that's the that's the lack of creativity that most offensive coordinators have because you know ego gets in the way this is my system i know how to work it instead of not really changing your system but allowing those that are in it to benefit and help you and make you look well.

Because if you play, if you have a great system and use a player that you have in your system, that obviously opens up doors for you as well. Right. But I don't think they see it that,

I don't think they see it like that. Well, clearly they don't because they're not using them adequately because I think he should be. There is not a season in which he should not have 85 to 100 balls for 1,000 yards, especially with 17 games now. Easily.

Hell, I had my old ass had in 15 games, I had 770 yards and 8 touchdowns my last year in the league. Okay. Hell, I know these young dudes should be able to top that at least. Yeah.

Shit, sound like you can still play. Play what? Bad. My old ass ain't get that there. Ocho, we got 41 pounds. You been in the weight room too? I don't know that. That's just to keep the people up off me.

I ain't got to take no hits. I can't take no hits, Ocho. I ain't going to lie. Man, you hit me, I'm going to shatter like ice. You know, you drop ice on the floor of the kitchen, Ocho, and it go all over the place. Yeah. Somebody hit me like that, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to disperse all over the place. Ocho, we got

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Next Sunday this time, we got to be at 800K. Yeah, listen, I still think it's possible. Nah, Thursday. Hell nah, hell nah, Thursday. Thursday. Thursday. Okay, okay. I still have a

feeling for some reason I'm not sure why, I feel like before we do that live before we do that live show in Vegas, some tell me we're going to be at a million and it's going to be perfect because obviously you know, I've never had

alcohol before, I've never drank before but I'm going to celebrate I'm going to celebrate. I'm going to celebrate. I'm saying, God, forgive me. God, forgive me. But if we hit that million before we hit that live show in Super Bowl in Vegas, I'm going to drink some of that Cognac. I'm going to get me some of that Cognac.

I'm telling you. Lord, forgive you for what you're going to do to Ray on that night. You get somebody out of your system. That's what you need to have forgiveness for. Wait, what happened when you get out of your system. That's what you need to have forgiveness for. Wait, what happened when you get alcohol in your system? What? Boy, you ain't never had no liquor, what?

Come on, man. You know I don't drink, man. Talk to me. You heard about the Great Depression? Yeah, yeah. We studied that in school. Yeah, that's how it gonna be that thing be hard like the great depression

yeah just like that Ocho hey is you think that's one of the reasons why people drink in general you can't you just you only but a little bit

you can do sometimes you can overdo it right but boy whoo hey everybody I'm gonna have a couple of them diamonds on me.

I'm going to flip one to eight. Let me get one of them things now. Let me get one of them things. Let me hold one of them things. Listen. I tried to hit my doctor up. And I told him about the blue diamonds. And write me a prescription.

Man, he didn't know what the hell I was talking about, man. It must be another name for them shits. Yes, another name for them. Oh, you're not saying the real name. Yeah, no. But everybody know what the hell I was talking about, man. It must be another name for them shits. Yes, another name for them. Oh, you're not saying the real name? Yeah, no, but everybody know what it is. Look at the chance. Y'all tell him what them diamonds are, them blue diamonds are.

I don't know what it is, but I told my doctor, man, you know, I want to get the blue diamonds that Uncle be talking about. I even showed him a clip. And Uncle, he talk about it. Man, he don't know what the hell I'm talking about. Yeah, he know what you talking about.

Yeah, I'm going to try the hell I'm talking about yeah you know what you're talking about yeah I'm gonna try that I'm ready we got it chat tell your family tell your uncles tell your cousins tell your co-workers please get us to a million please get us to a million before we get the Super Bowl in Vegas I wanted to say personally thank you guys

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Can you use the bathroom real quick? Go ahead. Don't be going to do no number two. Thank you. Hey, close the door and turn the water on. Nobody want to hear you be going peeing on the microphone.

Stop talking. I don't know why people like talking when they go to the bathroom. Man, shut up and do your business and get up out of there. Man, I go to the bathroom. Hey, aren't you? No, I ain't nobody. Be quiet. I ain't nothing to talk about. Man, where do we get up out of here? We talking like you know me or something. I ain't

got nothing to say when I'm at the urinal. And I don't know where they get that from. I mean, who started that? Chad, who started talking to one another in the bathroom? What we talking about? So what we saying is so important, it can't wait till we get our ass up out the bathroom. And I'm not going to shake your

hand when you coming in or out of the bathroom, because I done seen too many people go in there and don't watch that and just pull the luggage right up out of there. And y'all want a brother to come up in there and shake y'all hand. Nah, bro. Let's go on to the eight. Hit these knuckles up, because I ain't got nothing for you.

I'm telling you now. No, no, I'm not shaking your hand in the bathroom. In the bathroom? Man, people be talking. They try to shake your hand in the bathroom? Y'all be talking. See, just like you was talking about, okay, why you talking while you in the bathroom? Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah be talking. They trying to shake your hand in the bathroom? Y'all be talking. See, just like you was talking about. Okay, why you talking while you in the bathroom? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I would just let you know. Just to let you know. You came out of the ride quick. Did you wash your hands? Oh, I ain't even got the grab, huh? I ain't even got the grab. What, you squat? Huh?

You squatted? Nah, because it fall in the water. I don't sit on the track. I can't do it. I'm just saying. Well, you all in my personal business. I'm just letting you know. I just, nah, nah.

I'm just saying you came up out of there right quick. But I'm just saying though. Nah, but I'm saying in the bathroom, man. I don't really like to talk. If I'm at the urinal, I don't feel like I can talk. Listen, you got to, you got, listen, people,

chat, y'all got to understand urinal, bathroom etiquette in general. Bathroom etiquette in general. When you go to games, when you go to places, you always skip urinal. A urinal.

Always skip urinal and you never hold a conversation. You don't make eye contact. No. You don't look left. You don't look right. You look straight ahead. You look straight ahead.

You don't try to peek over. You don't do none of that. Some people, a lot of people are lacking that. A lot of people, I done had people follow me in the bathroom. What's up, Ocho?

I just wanted to come say what up. You can say that at home. Come on, bro. I'm going to catch you on the outside bro don't do that don't do that man listen I love you but you got to have some type of etiquette especially bathroom etiquette you don't do that man that's rule number one

come on now come on bro I done saw too many people go into the bathroom and come up out the stall cause I'm already assuming you don't lock the door cause me you know when I go in there I just saw too many people go into the bathroom and come up out the stall. Because I'm already assuming you don't lock the door. Because when I go in there, I'm just peeing. I ain't never go into no bathroom and go use the bathroom and do number two. You don't do number two in public?

Nah. At an airport? Come on, man. It got to be at least, if I'm stranded 24, 48 hours and I ain't got nowhere to go. But I'm talking about just a normal flight? Oh, man. It got to be at least four. If I'm stranded 24, 48 hours and I ain't got nowhere to go. But I'm talking about just a normal flight? Oh, no. I don't, man.

Listen, I'll do number one, number two, number three. It don't matter. Yeah, you do both. You do three. All both of them, huh? Nasty ass. I'm just telling you, it don't matter.

Listen, when you got to go, you got to go. All that, you know, holding yourself and messing up your bowel movement and you got your stomach be hurting. That's right. Your stomach going stomach be hurting. That's right. Your stomach going to be hurting. Bathroom nasty. They nasty, Ocho.

They nasty. What's next? Bathroom nasty. The places you go, the establishment you go because you are a man of class. You ain't nothing nasty about that. I'm talking about the airport. You go in the airport bathroom. All you got to do

is take the toilet paper. They got the little seat cushions for you. You lay the seat up. You dress the seat up and then you sit down. Ain't that much dressing up. They can't put a new

pair of pants and shoes on that thing to make me go sit on it. So you don't use the bathroom in the airport? Hell nah. Why? All right, boy.

I don't be eating all kind of food because I already know what's going to mess my stomach up so I don't eat the bathroom in the airport? Hell nah. Why? All right, boy. I don't be eating all kind of food because I already know what's going to mess my stomach up so I don't eat food with it. But you, but I don't see that.

And I definitely, and I can't go on no plane because I'm too big. Hey, I have to leave the door, I have to leave the door open, Ocho. I'll be,

my head out the window like this here, Ocho. If they close the door, I'll say, I can't. That's all I got for you so you know to play it out for me

yeah hey that's a good one that's a good one that's a good one but you know listen maybe it's just me I just

I've always been that way I have no problem using the bathroom I don't care where I am when I gotta go I gotta go if they got toilet tissue I'm a layer

I'm a double it though. Sometimes when you go to establishments, most establishments use one ply of toilet tissue. But that's not the good one, you know, because your wipe, your goddamn finger go right through there.

Right through it, yeah. I always layer it twice. Layer it down on the toilet, sit down, get comfortable. I go in the woods first. I'd rather go in the woods. Nah. I'd rather go in the woods. Nah. I'd rather go in the woods.

Ocho, I tell you what. I find comfort in using the bathroom in public. I find comfort in that. I don't know why. I keep a roll of toilet paper in my car and my truck. I go to the woods first. For real? Yeah, for sure.

I hit the woods. You out there in the country, so I understand that. Oh, yeah. I understand that. I done pulled side of the road left them flashes on plenty of times. Run right up in the woods. Oh, nah.

I got that from my granddad. That's how my granddad work. Yeah. So my granddad always kept a roll of toilet paper in his cars. I always keep a roll of toilet paper. I mean, people like, granddaddy always kept a roll of toilet paper in his cars. I always keep a roll of toilet paper. I mean, people like, man, why you got a roll of toilet paper in case of emergency? Right.

Okay. I hit the woods. I did it for 20 years. I don't know. Them woods ain't nothing to play with because you don't know what's out there. I know what's out there. I know what's going to be out there when I leave. That's what's going to be out there.

That's what's going to be out there when I leave, Ocho. Oh, shit. Baby. You heard her? Baby out there shitting in the woods. Oh, I will. Lady Ray Ray said I hope you're feeling better how do you handle hearing someone fart in a bathroom I laugh out loud

listen you go to that urinal you go to that urinal and somebody else in there with you you gonna hear it every time oh man man what's the thing for me I mean I'm like I pretend like I don't really hear Every time. Oh, man. Every time. Man. What's the thing for me? I mean, I'm like, I pretend like I don't really hear it. But it's like when they're in the stalls.

And all you hear. I was like, God damn. I said, what the? I said, man. I said, bro. Hey, and sometimes I said man I said bro Hey and sometimes I say Hey bro bro we need a Courtesy flush man god

Come on bro Yeah courtesy flush Is also a part of bathroom etiquette I'm like bro what you trying to do See how much you can put up in there Man flush that shit down Down big babies Man people nasty Ocho The locker room but you can put up in there? Man, flush that shit down. Down, big babies.

Man, people nasty, Ocho. The locker room? The locker room? Man, them boys, man. Funny. Hilarious. I be Ocho, them don't be. It's always the big-ass linemen, too.

Oh, man. I said, come on, man. I was like, man come on man I was like man people I was like oh bro I said I don't know what you ate but I was like bro can we get a courtesy flush bro I understand it's a bathroom but god dang something I ain't had too many run ins like that

but I'm like hey bro hey courtesy flush bro come on now I mean sometimes I think they be trying to see how much they can pile up in there like that, but... Hey, bro. Hey, courtesy for you, bro. Come on, now. I mean, sometimes I think they be trying to see how much they can pile up in there, man. Let that go. You did that. Trust me. That's you. You know what, lady? I ain't gonna lie. I just like...

Honestly, real talk, Ocho, I really like hold my breath when I go to the bathroom. How you gonna hold it? Come on, now. You being extra, now. I really like hold my breath when I go to the bathroom. How you going to hold it? Come on, now. You being extra now. You can't hold your breath that long.

Ocho, it's not like I'm ordering. I already know what I got to do when I get in there. Yeah. Hey, you say it's not like you what? I'm ordering anything. Ain't nothing to mean you. Hell, I already know what I got to do. I'm going.

I'm going to pee and I'm coming up out of there. You can't hold your breath, though. I can hold my breath for two minutes. Come on, that Navy SEAL. Hey. You ain't holding your breath no two. You know how long two minutes is holding your breath? Ocho, from the time I walk in, I'm saying I can hold my breath for two minutes. I ain't going to be in there that long, Ocho.

What? I mean, what? How you going to go in the bathroom? What you doing? You watching like, hey, man, that's a nice luggage you got. Hey, what's your name? Hey, you a Bengals fan? Hey, where you from? You carrying on conversation.

Who talking in the bathroom? You talking in the bathroom? I don't talk in the bathroom. I have bathroom etiquette. I always eyes ahead. Straight forward. Front and center. Don't make eye contact with nobody. Don't look left. Don't look right. Don't look down. eyes ahead. Straight forward. Front and center. Don't make eye contact with nobody.

Don't look left. Don't look right. Don't look down. Straight ahead. I'm in there. Wash your hands. Boom. Lather up.

I better never be washing their hands, Ocho. I told you to come up out the stall and just grab that luggage and bone up out of there. And walk out. I said, come y'all. Oh, shit. I ain't seeing that because I don't be looking. I be, come y'all. Oh, shit. I ain't seen that

because I don't be looking. I be, boom, I'm darting up out of there. Straight, boom. Handle my business. One, number one, number two. I just like, like I said, man, I just, I'm trying to get in and out.

I'm trying to treat it like a jiffy lube. I'm trying to get in and out in under two minutes. Jiffy lube is 10 minutes. I'm trying to get in and out in under two minutes, bro. I'm going in there i'm trying to get in and out in under two minutes bro i'm going in there hey i ain't got no conversation bro hey yeah you know hey sterling sharp i said bro you loud and wrong do what i gotta do it i'm gonna fight it out yo hey we'll talk once we get outside we ain't got nothing to

talk about no bad food that's just me mean, to each his own. I don't you know, people that want to talk, y'all can talk, but that ain't, I don't rock like that. Yeah. I don't have them problems. I ain't got them. Ronald Schroeper asks, what you got in that red solo cup? Water.

I'm trying to stay hydrated, man. Your boy, your boy, I'm not as bad as I was Thursday night, but I still am not 100%. But, you know, Ocho told me he needed me to show up. So I got to show up

and get the people what they, what y'all came to see. What you drinking again? Water. Okay. Water. You sipping water?

Normally when you, when people drink water, they just, they drink. No, I'm just trying, like like i said i try to keep my um my throat my throat moist right and you know i you know normally i would just have a bottle right uh right most people drink a bottle of water no but you ain't finna drink no well somebody want if somebody want a sponsorship i'll drink the bottle of water and i'll get you a bottle of water too that's why you ain't finna drink no... If somebody want a sponsorship, I'll drink the bottle of water and I'll get you a bottle of water too. Ain't nobody getting no free advertising on this thing.

I see where you're going there. I see where you're going. As a matter of fact, I'm about to hit solo up on Monday. Hey, what's up? I'm gonna be drinking out of a coffee mug. A plain white coffee mug. Okay. I like it. I see where you're going with it. Product placement. I like it. I see you going with it. Product placement. I like it. Yeah.

So, now, YutYut said, hey, Uncle Nocho, what happened to on the bull today? Or was that old footage? Who was on the bull? Huh? What y'all talking about?

Oh, Lord have mercy. There y'all go with that pause. What happened? What you say? Because I said I have to keep my throat moist. But they talk about your pause, huh? You know what? I ain't...

You know what? That went right across my head right there, too. I'm going to go ahead and throw your pause in there, though. Okay, I appreciate that. Go ahead and pause that. Mm-hmm. Well, the thing is, Ocho, because I'm a little under the weather

and Ash over here, patient negative zero, got me sick again. Wait, where you at? You in L.A.? I'm in L.A., yeah. Oh, it's cold out there, huh? It's a little...

You hear a hoof in the hollering? I told her she was quarantined. She could do the same thing from the other room, but she do it right here, which is type this stuff into my iPad. I told her she's quarantined in one room, and she walking all through the house. Oh, so she got you sick?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You got to get some vitamin. Is it vitamin C? I've been on vitamin. Is it vitamin C? I've been on vitamin. I've been trying some of everything. It ain't working. It ain't working.

Look, at the end of the day, it's still got to run its course. I don't care what you take. It's got to run its course. Always. Yeah. You want to expedite it, though. You want to expedite it as much as possible.

I'm trying. DG said, Hey, I'm about to pick up my first pup tomorrow. Do you have any advice? Also, today is my birthday, so shout out to you and Ocho as fellow Capricorns. Congratulations. Happy birthday, DG. Man, look, I remember when I first went and got my first one.

Man, as a matter of fact, I got three. The first time I got dogs, I got three because my boss told my brother I was going to get dogs I said man I'm going to get rottweiler puppies where you going I said I'm going to Ohio he said they got bring me one back so I brought back three dogs and uh three of them I brought back three rottweiler puppies from from Ohio and I had them I had them for like two weeks and he told my sister to go pick up his. He was going to come down come to Glenville to pick up his. And I kept my two man. They're a handful

now. But as a matter of fact, Ocho, for me because I was out of school, I didn't have anything to do. I was sitting in the train. So I would get up like, I started getting up like every two hours, take them out.

Then I spaced out every three hours, every four hours, then six hours, then eight hours. Now they can hold it through the night. Okay. I get them outside to go potty. I give them a treat.

Now they associate, okay, if I do this outside, I'm good. I'm good. Okay. Man, ain't nothing like it. I come home, they at the associate. Okay, if I do this outside, I'm good. Man, ain't nothing like it. I come home, they at the door. I mean, now, in my car, they hear that beep.

I lock the car. They running. They coming. All three of them at the door. I can see them. I can feel them. We know you out there come on in here come on in

it's a great feeling you're gonna love it you're gonna love it there's nothing like that love that no matter how bad your day is when you come home

and you see that puppy or you see when it becomes a dog ain't no love like that there's no love like an animal love for a human nothing I can't do it no more ain't no love like that there's no love like an animal love for a human nothing

I can't do it no more why? I told you I can't take that loss I can't bear that pain no more man you see I don't know how many people in the chat was here when you first explained when you had to put

you had to put what you had to put a... You had to put... Who you had to put down? Oh, I put... Well, I had to... I don't put... I put Bo, my Akita down. That's what...

I think you might have been talking about Bo. Boy, you had me on here crying. Man, just think... Man, listen. Boy, I can't take that. My sister... I can't take that.

She ended up taking the two Rottweilers. She ended up taking the two because my grandmotherilers. She ended up taking the two. Because my grandmother, once I got situated, she said, nah, we done got used to the dogs now. So she kept them. Man, my sister done got, well, because Kane, I had one named Kane, called him Big Daddy.

He ended up passing away. So Killian lived a couple of more years. So she had really, really gotten attached to Killian. Man, you'd have thought my sister child died she said Shannon I can't do it no more she said Shannon I don't want another one she said I'll come watch yours she said but Shannon I can't do it I mean she would cry like her child actually passed away yeah when she told me she had to put him down and she because they told her he was he was he had cancer and it was all throughout his body and they were gonna put him down she said can you can you just wait till i get back so she they waited till she got back they put him in her car and then they

gave him the medicine my sister said she cried all the way home she said shannon i can't do it again she said i can't ain't no pain like that she said i I can't. Ain't no pain like that. She said, I can't, Shelly. Ain't no pain like that. Ain't no pain like that. Losing, listen, I lost my mother. Lost my grandma. And I remember having to put down one of my dogs in my early, my adolescent years. Yeah.

I haven't had a dog in years because I still remember what that felt like back then. I'm not saying it's the equivalent of losing my grandma and my mama, but it's damn near close, boy. It is. That's an unbearable

pain, man. Unbearable. I don't want no part of that. No more. Ananise 81 said, is Ocho really that cheap or do we be capping? If you Google it there, there is footage of the queen,

the pop, Madonna going through JLK. She's going through TSA, riding a coach, and I ain't never seen riding a coach, and I've never seen Ocho riding Spirit. How you ain't never seen me riding Spirit? And all you have to do is go to Twitter,

type Ocho Cinco and then type Spirit and you will see me on Spirit Airlines all the time. All the time. And you mean, how you mean you don't know if I'm really that cheap? Watch all the videos for the past 20, 25 years that are out there that show you. I talk about it and I live it. Have you seen the way I live life? Have you seen the way I live life? Have you, it's like it's right there in front of you. I really live like that and always been like that. What is he talking about?

Dude, I live in the goddamn stadium. Marvin Lewis had to kick me out the stadium my third year in the NFL. I lived at the fucking stadium the first two years of my career because I refused to buy a place. What am I buying a place for? Everything I need is right there,

the stadium. They got showers. They had a cafeteria They got hot water, they got cold water Bathroom They had a player's lounge Sofa, futon Arcade machine Xbox, Playstation

Cable Why are you telling me this? Why am I coming here? What am I getting a house for? And everything I need is here You don't think I'm here? What am I getting the house for? And everything I need is here. Mm-hmm. You don't think I'm cheap? A real.

Ocho. Yeah. That's you. You know what you are. Okay. I'm just sometimes, sometimes you got to prove people, not you got to prove.

All they got to do is do your research. Do your research. She ain't even, she ain't even answer me. We know. Yeah, she busy. Chad says, they know who really got who sick. Yeah, patient negative zero.

Ask our men. They don't do that. Don't do that. She been getting IV drip for the last two weeks and then go talk about I got sick why you getting IV drip normal healthy people don't get IV drips last I checked

hmm thanks for telling me that information I knew it was going to come in handy one day uh Michael Seeley says hey Uncle Nocho, love the show. Can you shout out my girl Chedia? She's also a loyal

fan. Uncle, she would love to see your shirt. Also wish me luck in hoping to shake the covers. What's the show is doing? Three minute rounds. Y'all see that right there? Where you mad at? He talking about

you going three minute rounds. You don't go three minute rounds. You go three minute intervals. No. Three minute intervals. Because listen, you go three minutes in intervals, right?

Then you stop and you hold a conversation or pretend like you really want to say something. Then boom, another three minutes. No, I ain't got that. You continue to repeat the cycle.

If she got that ooh-wee, I ain't going to lie to you. That's why even with the ooh-wee, I'm touching books. It's a mind game. You got to mind fuck yourself. Listen, if you're in the ooh-wee, you got to think football, think sports,

think some completely opposite of what you're doing. It'll help you're doing. Nope. Help you last longer. Nope. Hey, I'm telling you, if you got that ooh-wee, I'm Mr. TNB. Touching buzz. I'm sorry. It's your fault.

It's your fault. Be mad at yourself because you got that scunion. You can't do that, bro. Be mad at yourself. Oh, you're going to end up in the group chat. That's all right. That's all right. Ocho,

what you want me to do? If you got that oo-wee, man, you know you ain't lasting no longer. You ain't lasting long with that oo-wee. I'm telling you, that's why I told you

what to do. It's a mind thing. You got to be able to play mind games. You got to eliminate where you at and take your mind somewhere else. I'll tell you what my mind thing. You got to be able to play mind games. You got to eliminate where you at and take your mind somewhere else.

I'll tell you what my mind is. If the first thing the first thing if you hear God damn, it's over. That's it for me. Okay, that's it. I'm sorry. Okay. Same time tomorrow.

I don't know what you want to do on the show same time tomorrow I'll see you same time tomorrow you're not going round two huh what round what round I'll see you round two tomorrow

okay I'll see you that's the two you talk about I'll see you round two I'm sorry I see you. That's the two you talking about. I see you're round two. I'm sorry. That's it, boy. You... What? I want you... That's all I...

Come on. You ain't going to double back? You're not going to U-turn? I got to get my right. I have to get my mind right. I have to get my mind right. So I came here. I wasn't expecting what I got to get my right. I have to get my mind right, Ocho. I have to get my mind right. So I came here. I came here.

I wasn't expecting what I got. You need 24 hours to get your mind right? Yeah, I wasn't expecting what I got. She called me off guard. She called me off guard, Ocho. I didn't know it was going to be like that. So now I got to refocus. I got to come in with ammunition.

Right, right, right, right, right. I got to come in thinking about what I'm thinking about. I'm thinking about sunflowers. I'm thinking about shoes. There you go. Anything that's not, like, beautiful. There you go.

There you go. And I need the lights off because if I see your body, it's over. Yeah. Yeah. I feel you. Listen, I remember them days,

boy. Long time. Long, long, long, long. Long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You remember them days, boy. Long time. Long, long, long, long, long, long time. You remember them days. I had them some good days, too, boy. They were bad on you. I mean, you know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But that's your fault. That's your fault. You're right. It happened to the best of us. We all been through that. We all been through them days. And at times, it's embarrassing.

But what we do have to do is... Redeem myself. You got to redeem yourself because if you don't, it's going to be tough. Because if you don't redeem yourself, you know, sometime they'll block you. They won't even answer your call no more. I mean, Ocho, I mean, you know, you be like, oh, girl, I'm going to give you a mean.

Oh, but don't talk no shit and don't show up. Don't talk no shit and don't show up. Don't talk no shit and don't show up. Boy. Girl, you won't believe this motherfucker. Now, yeah, you got to. Yeah, you got to listen to the performance and the talk. It got to go hand in hand.

If it don't, it's going to be rough. Yeah, but what I'm saying, Ochoa, you know. It's going to be rough. I have good intention. Like you tell me, hear me out. Hear me out, Ochoa. I want but I'm saying, Ocho, you know. It's going to be rough. I have good intentions. Like you tell me, hear me out. Hear me out, Ocho. I want you to hear me out. Stay with me now.

Stay with me. Stay with me, Ocho. Stay with me. Now, I have good intentions. Right, right. But it's their fault. Right. You right.

You right. I mean, I'm coming now. Sometimes. I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm coming now Sometimes I'm with you I'm with you I'm with you when you're right Because sometimes We have a plan

Yes But every time You have a plan Doesn't mean you're gonna Execute it the way You thought it would It'll come out So I'm with you

When you're right Thank you I just asked you And women They need to understand that Sometimes they're not Understanding Sometimes they're not understanding. Sometimes they're not understanding or forgiving.

But they to blame. They have to blame. For sure. And that's what they need to do. Women need to learn to take accountability. They don't want to say something like, you got that,

you got that, ooh-wee, and then you mad at me because I can't land no 15 minutes in there. Yeah. It's hot in here. I mean,

come on, y'all, it's hot in here. So don't be mad at me. I mean, help a brother out. I'm doing the best I, I'm doing the best I can.

I promise you. That's not my intention, but it happened and I'm sorry. Yeah, it does. It does. It does. It does. It don happened. And I'm sorry. Yeah, it does. It does. It does. It does.

It don't matter. It don't matter how old you are. It happens. Yeah. I'm just like, you know, I was planning on jumping up and down with my 10-15. Yeah. Yeah. But I think I might have whipped you all on that last one.

Yeah. Yeah. You don't waste that diamond for no out on that last one. Yeah. Yeah. You know, waste that diamond for no reason. Oh, no, no, no. Diamond. Oh, Joe. Yeah.

Hey, have you ever seen me turn to the side like this here? You start looking around. It won't be long now. It won't be long now it won't be long now Ocho I get a double A

you know like the cat said when he got his tail caught in the washing machine Ocho he said it won't be long now I didn't know what he was talking about he was talking about his tail wouldn't be long anymore or it wouldn't be long before it all be over before I put that back yeah yeah know what you say you do?

Huh? Yeah. How's your mom and dad? I'm just trying to buy some time. I'm stolen. You know, I've been trying to buy time, but that thing... Get through the system. Get through the blood flow, yeah. So where are you? You the youngest? You the oldest?

Oh, okay. Where you from school at? Oh, yeah, okay. You know what I'm saying? Oh, okay. That's everybody. All right. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.

It's on. It's on. I'm lucky. Bet y'all got me turning shit on. Oh, Lord. It's on, Ojo. It's on. Oh, that's funny.

That's funny. Merc asked, Ojo, do you make the Hall of Fame if you go to New England early in your career? That's a good question. I'm not sure. Probably, yeah. What do you think, huh? No, because you can't be who you are. Mm-hmm.

And I believe that's why you didn't have the success you did when you went to New England because you couldn't be Ocho Cinco you had to be Chad Johnson well you can't be that over there they don't play that shit well also they had 200 million other options as well right some good ones that if you could you, if you were allowed to be you and have a, you, you, you suppress so much

of who you were. Well, he told me I had to though. But that's what I'm saying. So no. At the end of the day, I mean, Ocho,

you gotta be who you are. Remember we just said, you don't fit a system to the player. You let the, I mean, you don't, you let the player don't fit a system to the player. You let the player you fit your system to the player. That's a different ball game. There you go.

That's a different ball game over there. You know what they had over there during that time? Listen. Just listen to the squad offensively. Gronk. Aaron Hernandez. Wes Welker. Yeah. Julian Edelman.

Deion Branch. That's just five right there. What the fuck am I doing there? That's just five already. With the exception of Gronk and your absolute best when you were Ocho Cinco, you better than everybody else over than Gronk. Yeah absolute best when you were Ocho Cinco,

you better than everybody else over than Gronk. Yeah, but it don't work like that. But that's what I'm saying. How does that offense run unless your last name is Moss? But that's what I'm saying. Because you can't be you. At the end of the day,

you got to be you, Ocho. I was very fortunate that I played with coaches that my personality, they let me be me. I was very fortunate that I played with coaches that my personality, they let me be me. I understood Mike, hey, Mike understood that I knew when it was time

to work, but I knew when it was time to play, and I'm going to get the other guys, we're going to be loose, we're going to have fun, and we're going to get this job done. Same thing with Brian. So you got to have guys that understand the players and let the player be themselves. Why you think, look at us.

Honestly, don't change nothing. All the players that go to Baltimore, they have their own individual. You understand, you play like a Raven. That's the only thing that we ask. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was some fun days, man.

Great, great, great, great team, though. Great team. Faith asks, I owe you a Shannon. it was some fun days man great great great great team though great team faith ask i owe joy shannon don't defy your sister but i have you and ocho consider writing a book the importance of hard work and positivity for young adults i think it'd be impactful especially for young black boys feel better ash feel better ash feel better shannon be a better feel better I can't even get I called Ash today at 1 o'clock Ash called me back at 4 o'clock

yeah I said I'll just tell you what you want I said Ash I done forgotten I called you at 1 o'clock you called me back at 4 o'clock what did I want whatever it was I don't want it now I don't need it good o'clock and tell you about what did I want. Whatever it was, I don't want it now. I don't need it. Good thing I didn't call you for an emergency.

I know who the person not to call if I'm in jail. Do not wish to call little Ash. She's sleeping through that call. I'm just telling you now, she's going to sleep through that damn call. I ain't never met a person sleep as much as Ash. No, you sleep that much even when you're not sick.

You talk about you're sick. That's an excuse. Who come in and talk about, guess what time I woke up today? I mean, guess what they say. You know, some people come in and talk about, guess what I did last night? Shannon, guess what time I woke up today? I don't know. No, I woke up like two.

What? Who sleeps? You tell me what grown person can sleep until two o'clock in the afternoon. Two o'clock? In the afternoon. But what if you went out the night before? Well, unless you

went out and came in at 12, that's the only time. Think about it, Ocho. Ash don't go out. Hmm. Okay, so Ash, she like, she go in the bed at like 9, 30, 10 on nights that we don't have nightcap.

And even on the nights that we have nightcap, let's just say we have nightcap. So the night, so what time? It's 10, 30. 10, 36. Okay, so by the time she get home,

let's just say it's going to be 11, 30. Right. Ash will literally sleep till 1 o'clock or 2 o'clock. Oh, oh, I'll see you at halftime. Halftime? The game come up at 1.30. She going to come up at halftime. Right.

Oh, she's, I say this is ridiculous. You know what, Faith? I have not thought about writing a motivational book. I don't know, maybe Ocho has, but I haven't. For me, if I was to write a book, and I've been preaching it for the past damn near 30 years, if I'm going to write a book, the only thing I need to focus on with my people is financial literacy and discipline when it comes to having money that's it that's what i'm that's that's my focal point that's my focal point so but i i like i like the book she's talking about but for me my direction and sole purpose would be financial yes we bad we bad aren't we bad man yeah we don't we don't i mean it's i mean it takes a special type of person that's really never had money never had to manage money and all of a sudden

ocho you come into a large sum of money and that's most of us coming from the background in which we came from the community which we came from we've never had the ton of the kind of money that we're going to have that as a professional athlete or an entertainer or rapper or celebrity or whatever the case may be we had access to that type of money right um and so to understand it because a lot of times people think oh i may i lost that money i'll get it back doesn't work like that you might not hit that lick again they always had this feeling that that play is going to always hit they always had this feeling

that okay if this don't hit no more something else will come along that will but man every dog has his day and it don't work like that it definitely don't work like that

it absolutely doesn't work that way and I just think that I just wish that we could we can applaud other success our success but it takes a special type of person to be in a group with someone and still cheer for them

as they start to take off and not become resentful. That's that's what's disappointing to me. I'm a I root. I just like I said, I don't think I'm better as a better person. I might think I can do a job. I can do this better than somebody else can do this. Right. Do I think I'm better than a better person. I might think I can do a job. I can do this better than somebody else can do this.

Do I think I'm better than you as a person? No. But I do think I can do this better than someone else can do this. But I just wish we applauded each other and didn't talk so negative about one another when somebody else starts to do better than somebody

else. It happens. And Ocho, it might look, we might not have, but three to five years at nightcap. And if somebody else might come along and have something that the fans and the chat and, and,

and, and advertisers sponsors want to grasp on too, but we have a hell of a three to five year run. Why would we talk bad about bill i'm not i'm not wired like that it's just it's look it's always gonna be there's it's gonna be someone else's turn it happened if you play sports you understand that you understand that the likelihood of you being on top your whole 15, 20 year career, if you're fortunate enough to play that long,

it's not very likely. So you'll, you'll, you're accepting of that. All I can do is be, let me be the best I can possibly be. And hopefully that's good enough. That's it.

I can only be the best I can be. And hopefully the people that have followed Shannon and watched Shannon and listened to Shannon still like that Shannon. But when it's time to go, hey, I'll move it along. Probably pack my ish up. Definitely going to get up out of California.

I ain't going to be paying all these high-ass taxes and anyway, working here. Hell nah. I'm thinking about moving out of the deals. We're not moving to Texas, though. Yeah. You can move to Atlanta.

Might go to Vegas or Nashville. Okay. Oh, Nashville is nice. Nashville is a growing city from my understanding. I heard. You know, I'm in Atlanta now. I was...

You hear me? I'm in Atlanta. I can't go to Georgia. Why you get to go to Texas? No, we're not going to Georgia. No. You hear me? Huh?

I'm in Atlanta. I tried. I wanted to go to Magic City tonight. I wanted to do the show for Magic City, but I don't think they would have had anywhere adequate enough where it could have been quiet while I did the show. No, it ain't no quiet. It ain't going to be no, it ain't going we're quiet and you ain't you ain't gonna be no it ain't gonna be no it ain't uh uh lit enough right oh you know i got

i got my little lights with me now but let me let me show you my little lights look yeah got my little portable lights yeah i would tell you put that light on coco who's coco oh i don't see how I know Coco. Hey. I might. I might. What time? What time they close?

Shit. Probably about four, I think. Oh, shit. I ain't going to make that. Oh, well. So much for that. You got plenty of time. Who?

You down in town. What time we off? We're going to be off in a few minutes. Baby. Baby. You wanna go to Magic City? Huh?

She say no. She say she wanna go. She ain't wanna go. Let's go up there. You wanna go? Man, we here for one day. She's talking about not tonight. But we can't go tomorrow because we'll be in Miami tomorrow. Well, I don't know what to tell you.

She's saying there ain't no fun that left up there. I'm going to go. I'm going after this. Shoot, I flight leave at 6 in the morning. I can go. Go there for two hours and come back and pack my little bag

and be ready to go back home. I need to see what these wings that these wings you talk about. And I need to see that. I'm going to see the night, though. Hey, boy, no, like smell like booty and cigars. Boy, that's. Oh, I can smoke. I can smoke cigars in there.

Yeah. Let you smoke in there. Oh, man. But I'm going. I'm going tonight. I'm going. It's going to be an argument today because you talk about you don't want to go. You just got you just got back in real good grace, remember?

Yeah, I'm out the doghouse. I'm out the doghouse. Hey, well, you know, don't push your luck too quick, Ocho. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Hold on now. I don't come to Atlanta often. I think it's been years since I've been to Atlanta, if I'm not mistaken. The last time I was here was three years ago for Rick Ross'

car show, and I ain't been here since. So I'm here., I was here three years ago for Rick Ross' car show and I ain't been here since. So I'm here. You asked me to come here with you because you had business to take care of. Why not allow me to experience Magic City that you always talk about? Why be selfish?

Don't make me come here and... But I ain't there, Ocho. I'm saying I was supposed to be there. Okay, you want me to wait for you? Mm-hmm. All right, say less. I'll wait for you. That would make the experience

that much more better because you understand the surroundings and the atmosphere. Yeah. Okay, I'm going to wait. No problem. Let's do it. We got any more questions, Ash?

I can wait. Oh, oh. No, I did not lie. Don't tell him you lied. Tell him you lied. No if you don't tell him you lie tell him you like no i ain't tell him you sleep an average of 10 hours a day about if you don't have a meeting oh huh that's long no what happened okay how late did you sleep this morning how late did you sleep this morning how late did you sleep this morning? How late did you sleep? I just asked you a simple question, Ash. I just asked you a simple question. How late did you sleep this morning? Okay. This week when we didn't have a meeting, how late did you sleep? Ash, that's not what you told us

the other day. No, that's when you have meetings. When you don't, no, you don't. That Ash over here lies. Okay. I remember that. I would,

I would, next time, next time I call, because if she's up, she'll answer the phone. If she don't answer the phone, I know she's asleep. So I'm just going to tweet it out. I called Ash and she didn't answer. It's 1030.

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