Nightcap - Super Bowl LX Radio Row Day 2: Part 2 - Emmitt Smith joins! + Seahawks vs. Patriots Predictions!

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden LIVE from San Francisco Radio Row ahead of Super Bowl LX featuring Sam Darnold and the Seattle Seahawks vs. Drake Maye and the New England Patriots. Deebo & Joe are joined by Emmitt Smith and much more! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #NightcapSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts. I understand. I'm going to cut you all. Look here, man. We got image, man. Gator great. Gator. Former cowboy running back, three-time Super Bowl champion, NFL all-time rushing leader and a Hall of Famer.

Yes, sir, Gator Great. How you doing? How are you guys going to stillers are everywhere? All over the place. I mean, I was over there with your boy Haywood and Porter and, yeah, man. Y'all don't do y'all thing. Trying to, boys. Trying to.

Speaking of doing our thing, what's wrong with them cowboys over there? To see you go start a home. I don't know what's wrong with them boys. I mean, they just, you know how it is. You know how the locker room is? You know how that locker room is, but y'all locker room. Y'all, I look at y'all at the Steelers as a championship organization, just like the 49th is a championship organization.

You know how to win. Yes. You know what the coach a little bit. And players like you to come in, you know what to expect. Yes. I don't have to tell you. No. Because your leadership on the right is going to top down.

Exactly. I don't know if we have that kind of leadership. shit from top down. And where everybody's buying into what the leaders are showing them and teaching them and working with them. Yes. And that includes players. That includes players.

And I'm not sure if coaches themselves are all on the same page. Are all coaches trying to figure out a way to just display with their talent so they can go get a head coach some other place? I don't know what's going on in that regard. So I think people come into the Cowboys organization truly with not the right intention.

I don't know if everybody's as committed. Are they coming just to have that notoriety or having that star or are they coming there to actually buy in and come out with a championship? That is. You know, is your goal to win championships or is your goal to get fame and fortune? That is. That's what I'm talking about. When you look at New England Patriots, they are the same way.

Mark Babel came back and I think he established all of that. You got to have someone that's from that championship. predigree to come back and bring that kind of, especially if he's the head coach. I think that's how he's impacting this team. Because this team can look at this dude to say, you know what? This mother brother here has won some championship. I got a question for you, though. Yeah.

How do you feel about Mike McCarthy when he was there? Did he have that opportunity or was he kind of maybe handicapped a little by other forces? Or was that just all him? I think it's all him. Okay. I really do. I think every head coach has the chance to say, this is who I am.

And this is how I operate. And at the end of the day, you want me to do what I do best? Now, listen, listen. I know you like Jerry. I want to know if Jerry was handicapping my guy or not, okay? Because Jerry is somebody I feel like that can't get out of his own way.

You know what? I always thought I wanted to be the smartest person in the room. But then I realized I don't want to be the smartest person in the room because I can't grow. I have nowhere to go. I need to get out of that room and get into other room. But it's only one person that's more dangerous than that. And that's the person that thinks there's the smartest person in that room

and now has the power to quiet all those voices. Right, right. I think that's Jerry. He can't get out of its own way sometime. Well, let me ask you this. Have you ever seen Jerry Jones make a tackle? Never. Have you ever seen Jerry Jones Thor a touchdown pass?

Never. You ever seen him handing the ball off to a running back and left him around? Have you ever seen him make a block? Never. He ain't in his way. How? He's the one that's going to put the players there. He's the one to go get you in the draft, go get you in the drive, go bring me in a draft, and then you go in the room. I'm telling the players need to take ownership and the mindset of the, you asked about Mike McCarthy.

I like Mike McCarthy. I like him. The problem is, I think with coaching some of the guys that are coaching today, they want to throw the ball everywhere. And they want to go to the analytics. And they go away from their gut instinct at times because analytics tell me to go forward on fourth down. When I have a defense that just stop somebody or an offense that just drove down the field and got into the field goal range

and we tried to get in the end zone and we couldn't do it, take the three points. That's what I said. Keep the momentum going. My defense just stopped them at the goal line, right? And now we drive down the field and now we're on their side of the field, take the damn three points.

Please. Keep the momentum going for your team because you have worked your behind off. I'm going to reward you for what you just done. I'm not going to just miss this. Now, if the field, go kick a miss the dog, makes the point, I'm looking at him sideways. For sure.

You got a job. So, I mean, I think people get so enamored by these numbers and the money ball bullshit that they miss out on the humanistic of who people really are and how to keep people motivated. Right. Right. And they are, oh, well, we missed it. We still upset.

she back there well if you had kicked that field you'd be up 10 now that would have put a little different pressure on the Patriots at that point of time you wanted to play you wanted to play you want to play you want to play well they missed it so we're going to miss it too so the game is still even no no no no

look at us all three of us right yes guess what we play the game we know the motions of the game and you know that but we are some instinctive instinct of people yes thank you And we have our own mind.

And we know how hard it is to go from one end to the other end. Yes. Against a solid defense or a solid offense or a strong offense. How do you want to look at it? They play, they're playing. They're playing matchmaker. They ain't doing shit in between the lines. You are out here trying to.

Well, the number said this because of this and that note. The number said it's third down. We need to make it. We need to kick this field. The number said Emmett Smith was not even supposed to be the all-time leading Russia. The number said, Emmett Smith wasn't supposed to be in the league no more than three and a half, four years.

That was the number said. That's what the number said. What the Emmett said, God damn. Emmett said 15. He said 18355. How many yards he said Russia? 18355. What did he say?

He said, 164 touchdown. How many Super Bowl he said? He said three Super Bowls and MVP. Oh, right. What did he tell him about the Hall of Fame? Hey, 2010. Oh, 20-10. Come on.

Oh, yes. They're great. But it is that it's that. Yes. That some of these folks don't know. Some of them are so smart, their ass is dumb. That's what I mean. You think you're too smart.

You're too smarting yourself. How smart on yourself? Too smart for your own good. But they don't want to hear that from. Hey, they don't want to hear that from the players. Let's put it like that. They don't want to hear from us or. Oh, amen.

That was good. Yeah, I'm just saying, man. Hey, man, look, man, speaking to players, man, do you think, do you think, do you think Cowboys should resign, Pick. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think he should.

I think he should. And here's the reason why. You had Irvin, you had Hart. Now you're going to have Pickens and land. And then you got Devonthe in the slot or you got the tight end. So you got some weapons there. Then you got a run game that you can rely on. Okay.

So now you upgrade in areas of weakness up front, only a few. Then on the defensive side, this is where we got to get it right. That's where we got to get right. We got to get it right over here. We got to get these two guys that we got through, the trades and everything else, we got to get them some support, and we got to get some linebackers in there. That can go east and west. And that team got to be able to run Eastern West and get to the football the way y'all used to get to the football.

Give me nine months. I'll be back. I'll come back for the cowboy for a year. Give me nine months. Nine months to get right first. You get me five years. I ain't coming back. Hey, line.

How you feel about, would you get Brian shot? Schottenheimer exceed your expectations? He did. He did. I thought he did a great job of bringing that offense together. And not only that, but establishing the ability to be able to run the ball and throw the ball at the same time. I mean, balances, to me, balance is the key to everything. Yes.

And when you were able to run the ball, and the defensive player know this, you're able to run the ball, the whole offense opener. If you can't do that, you one-dimensional. Because you've got to come down and try and stop. And you know what? You got to take stuff out of the country. Exactly. I'm going to have my guys. my dogs, my greyhounds on that edge,

pin their ears back and go get it. I'm a blitz. I'm going to put more pressure on that quarterback now. And that ball get tipped, pick, turnover opportunities. And some quarterbacks that playing in this game could feel the pressure.

Hey, listen, they're seeing ghosts. He said, are you concerned if Jerry Jones doesn't sign George Pickens to a long-term deal? Are you concerned if he doesn't sign Pickings? I'm not necessarily concerned because we got picks we can go into draft and get guys that might be quality guys coming out. Okay. I mean, we can make also some trades for some people to get better when I receive was in.

But I would prefer us to sign George Pickens because he's in a system for a year. Yeah. And it's going to get better next year. Lamb is there. Lamb is going to get better. And everybody should get better in this system because it's, to be year two. Yeah.

And all you're doing now is just upgrading in areas of that that was challenging and that could be limiting the offense from growing. Okay. I understand. I understand what you're saying. Now look here. Them boys, you think some of that them boys lusted and wore off, it's just words. It's just wordplay now.

We them boys sound like just, you know, lip service right now. First of all, we them boys is a song. And I think it is lip service. because we haven't done enough to maintain the right to be them boys like that. Thank you. And so, you know. You were true because you did it. You did it.

You did it. You all did it. You all did it. You deserved it. That's why I understand when you say we them boys, they got to be something behind it. There's got to be something behind it to stabilize the junk that has appeared over the last 30 years. And once you get it stabilized, you can't do. This is where Jerry cannot mess it up.

that. Once you get it stabilized, you can't do anything to disrupt it. You've got to leave that chemistry where it's at. Because the minute you start following with chemistry, that's when everything falls apart. And that window is closing on certain places. So, either you're going to recreate it right now,

or you're going to wait to the end of the window, and then you're going to have to start over again and you're going to invest it all the time, all of this energy, all of this money, and things that's outdated now. And it don't take long. But we get you out of here. What brings you in here, man? Oh, yeah, I've been working with Tablo for the last three years right now.

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Name them. Y'all check out Talloway TV. Look here, baby. We want to thank you for coming. They're trying to rock. Appreciate it. Thank you so much. We don't have to talk to you for a long time.

Come on. I'm going to get your number. All right, bro. Oh, we're going to link offline. We're about to jump off right now. Yeah, I got your number. I was get your number. Yeah.

Hit me up right now and make sure you got the right numbers. Yeah. All right. Peace out, y'all. Hey, look here. Joe. You know what time it is, Joe. You know what time it is, Joe.

AFA presented by prize. Come on. Let's wrote. I dial it in. Yes. There we go. I can't hear nothing. Yope, yoke, y'all.

Artie's bred. It said some animation. I can't hear it. You might have the other number. You can. Yeah, yeah. That's good. Now, y'all going to fight over that table right down.

Oh, you leaving it? Oh, I'm leaving it. It ain't going to be no fight. One, three, three, three. Joe like yourself. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and let him have that one. I'm going to go ahead and let him have that one. Ain't going to be the five.

Damn. Thank you, boss. You too. Hey, look here, Joe, man. Check it out right here, man. What's up, brother? You already know I got the Patriots win. Yes.

But in that process, you know who's going to be the person that's going to be the MVP for us. It's going to be Sam Darnel and whoever catch that pick from you. I got Drake May. It's an easy. Five more to five yards. That's simple. And I ain't going to lie to you. I got more for JSN just because they, I think.

I think they go throw the man and rock a whole bunch. Opportunities. And the reason they're going to have to do that is because we go stop to run on Walker. He's going to get less. What do you think, man? Why did we put Walker under? No Walker going to tote that pill. Yes, he is.

Okay. And he doesn't have Charbonnet either. So there's no Charbonnet. He's the lone wolf. He's the lone toter. He's the lone toad. We go key in on him. They don't even throwing the ball like that.

If you start doing that. You plan or you fading? What you go do? I'm fading. Joe is fading me, man. Because you plan with you plan. You plan. Look here, man.

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Debo's got a question. See, he's all off Q. We ain't off Q. Hey, man, what time is it? I thought we was out of time. Look here. We got, how come more teams don't run the two-minute offense at times throughout the game. From what I see it is, it works when they need it.

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The biggest mind game of all, NLP, might actually work. This is wild. Listen to mind games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Timing. Two-minute offense is two-minute offense. That makes your players tired. You want to run two-minute offense all day. you better figure out a two-minute offense of two separate offenses to be able to do it.

And then it's like you got to, it's a certain pace. You got to have things going. You got to like, say we make a play and we're trying to get onto the ball. We don't want to start, like, let you sub. So if you take one out, you got to, I can walk in and sub. I slow that down. Yeah. As soon as you change, as soon as you change,

personnel, they're able to, the other team's able to slow your whole thing down. They can just walk it out because soon as you sub one, the reference stand over the ball. So I would think that and just you just can't go too. It just doesn't make sense. It don't make sense because you're talking about two-minute all-game. It don't work that way. Two-minute is two-minute for the reason. It's not going to be as effective as you think it is

because now if I know that's what you're doing, I'm going to prepare for that situation to be all-game. And say you try to do that two-minute and it's incomplete. Incomplete, incomplete. Now you're third and ten. You gave it up with, you wasted five seconds. seconds of the game. And now you got 15 seconds to the clock.

Five seconds of play. And they come back out there. They start running the ball, grinding your defense out. And now you jump back out here two minutes. And you do another three out. The defense was out there, 10 minutes, got two minutes break. Now they back out there for another team. Yeah.

You'll get dog walked. So, yeah. And then you're establishing the run. Two minute offense, you're not really like just handing the ball off. That's clock. It's just, it's not, it's not situationally proper. I'm looking at the clock, bro. I'm looking at my watch.

That's all Oh it's on Yeah, yeah, yeah It's not It's on It's on what's the name time Bro, I was

You thought you was You thought you was on the East Coast still No, it didn't I ain't got it hooked up to nothing So it didn't change It didn't change back to nothing, brother All right,

what we got here I guess we got more That was the two minute joint What's next? It can't be the two minutes We ain't got nothing else next Good Oh, we do

We do who will step up who will step up for Seattle man that's England takes away JSA if New England takes away JSCN if New England takes away JSC who will step up

they got coop they got coop they got cup but he ain't going to step up the only they're going to have if they lock down bruh JSC

everybody else going to be so scared they're like we can't get we can't get free either if Jays Jesse can't get loose. What's the weed's going to do, ball? They're going to be spooked if Jayson not getting off.

You ain't lie. You ain't lying. Who you think of, for real? Honestly, I like Cooper. I like Cup. But if they don't run the ball, if Kenneth Walker doesn't get off for at least, that's what I'm saying. Kenneth Walker's going to run for a buck 20-something.

I'm telling you. Because if he's not getting off and they don't have to drop those safeties up there, then J.S.N. can be able to, I think J.S.N. is going to be able to get off. But when they double-team him, Walker's going to be the ball. Walker's going to be the MVP of the game. I understand that, but I can still double-team him and keep enough people on the line to be able to stop Walker.

So I'm just going to go ahead and be like, look, I know he go get what he go get. But I can't let this dude get loose. So now, if I let him get loose, now we got to bring even more. Like, I just can't let him get loose. He get loose. Now all the other receivers got an opportunity, too. I'm telling you I'm gonna let you get

it's only opening up if Kenneth Walker Jr. gets to tote. If he doesn't tote and they want to stop him like you said if you say if what's,

you say it happened that's why we stop him from running we stop him from running we know you go to who you go go to we go to. We go tackle to catch

make sure that we got two bodies in the vicinity even if it's not a double and then strap everybody else. If you Strap J.S.N. And Walker.

I ain't saying we got a strap J.S.N. I'm saying we got to strap Walker. And we, J.S.N. get, I said, more. He gets more, but he don't get no tutty with it. I don't believe it. They're not stopping Walker. And then he's going to let J.S. Get off.

Then Donald will try that. I'm going to force it in there because he goes, it ain't going to be there. He'll be trying to get it away from him because they go start pinning them ears back. We're going to be watching the ball no more. I can pin my ears back. Run first. Run first. Seattle, run first.

Yeah, but if it's no success. It's going to be successful, though. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You keep on saying, like, they're going, like, the Patriots defense just going, no, they're not going to be able to run. I'm not saying they just go, like, this is the Super Bowl, bro. Yeah, we're going to see. Like, everybody is, your boy, Donald is, he, right now, he's thinking about everything

that went on in his life. Right now, right now he's balling. He's like, oh, man, I just went from this to dad. Like, I can't let anybody. He's pressuring himself. I hope he is. I'm pressuring you. Look here, man.

He said, outside of the Steelers and the Browns, what team would you like to play for? Outside of the Steelers and the Browns, what team is like? I ain't going to lie to you. If we're going, are we going, like, for winning or just play for it? And it's already given how it's winning. It's already, no, it's not given that it's winning. It's whatever, like, what teams?

Well, see, you just saying, oh, you used to lose it. Never mind. What team would you play for other than the Browns or the Steelers? I ain't never played for the Browns. That's the team I would. That's what I'm saying. I'm putting them in there because I know you won't pick them. But what Browns, Steelers, Patriots, and Cincinnati,

who would you play for? Who would you want to play for? Okay, so if we're giving that success is not guaranteed, then I want to. No way success is guaranteed. But, you know, if the tools are there. Okay, yeah. I want to play where the most tools are.

Where is that? Right now, since I can't pick New England, it's going to have to be Seattle because they're in the Super Bowl. Okay, okay, okay. You know where I'm playing. L.A. Brams. Yep. That sounds good.

Love L.A. I love the weather, love everything. I'd be able to go to the Lakers games. No, no, you hate the traffic. Stop it, Joe. No, I'm good. to travel. I'm going to leave early. Nighttime, all that backroads. So listen, take it away and add that winning

is a given. Where's your ideal place? Winning is a given. We're going to say it on three. We're going to say it on three. I know where my is. But if yours ain't there, you don't make no sense. And winning is a giving? Winning is a giving. Where's your ideal place? Say it on three. One, two, three. Cleveland Browns. Miami. Miami, you can't pick them. You just said that. But you said...

I said winning is a given. Winning is a given? I'm going to Cleveland. We ain't won. You said you can't pick that. Nope. We just said you can't pick that. Run the back.

Run the back. It's too late now. Okay. Who would you have picked? Cleveland Browns. You can't pick that. You want to go there and lose again. No, I want to bring winning there.

I said it's automatic winning. I said, listen, take it back. I said, oh. I said winning is the given now. Yes. You can't pick whoever I couldn't pick, which is Cleveland. Okay. So I pick Miami and you would pick who?

I would pick. It ain't nowhere else to go, Joe. What you mean? I would go. Miami? No, I'm still going to the Rams. I'm still going to the Rams. You're going to the Rams?

I'm living in L.A. And we're winning chips in L.A. And then I'm sitting courtside to the Lakers games because I'm whooping ass on the field. So far. So I'm getting to sit. Boom. Corside games. Hey.

Whoping in the L.A. Listen, you stay. You pay all that money on that property taxes. But I'm winning, look, if we win the soup balls, I'm making, right now, I'm a highest paid corner. I'm making $35 million a year. I'm chilling. I'm being Florida. I can let it.

Trust me. With, with no income. I don't need all of it. I'll still be fine out there. What are you talking about? You know how many people I can help with the money out of saved on taxes paying the government? Man, I hear you. You're talking about 50%, though.

You just ask me where I want to be. So now you want to. I'm just saying, I'm just trying to give you the whole spill of the, why. I'm sticking. And, you know, California's better because the weather, it's not, it's all human. I know. Is it worth 50% of your pay?

Not 50. It's only number 20. It's only 12. It's only 12. And it's like 12 and a half percent. Come down to it. Another 12 and a percent. There's, that's what I'm saying?

You're getting another 12 and a half. You're getting another 12 and a half. What are you talking about, Joe? Okay. All right. That's okay. I'm gonna live in Cali and be chilling. When you got money and you know what I'm saying, you're stupid rich like Joe is,

and you got diamonds in your teeth that's worth more than my house. Come on. Come on, Debo. That's what it is, man. That's what it is. What's the best food spot in Pittsburgh? It's a place called Napa Prime. Mm-hmm.

Yes. Napa Prime, fire. Napal Prime is fire. Napal Prime is fire. Napal Prime is fire. That's what I would go with. That's what I would go. He'd probably go say something, goof.

Go. Go ahead. Go ahead. You're trying to Pittsburgh out. I know what you're going to do. No, no, no. I'm definitely not going to say, none of them little

I definitely wasn't going to say that. I do not like the potatoes in my sandwich. But I'm going to go with Eddie V's. Over Napa Prime? The Eddie V's in Pittsburgh was probably one of the best Eddie V's that I had. But I said over. You could pick the same thing if it is.

If you're just trying to be different, I just want to be different because I know. Oh, I would go to off the hook. Same thing. Come on. Off the hook. Napreprime. They're running. Okay.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They're related. They related. They related. Yes, yes, okay. You know what I'm saying? Those are the three spots. Hey, Napal prime.

Off the hook. Off the hook. Eddie V. Wexford. Westford. Yes. Those two. Get close to the dealership.

Eddie, uh, V's that's downtown, right? Eddie V's downtown, right? That's straight in the middle of Pittsburgh. What non-football player could win Super Bowl. What? But non-N-Fel player will win the Super Bowl MVP. If they're non-NIFL player, how do they go win an MVP? Because they're just saying who you think would be the best player

that's in like the NBA that could come to the NFL. They said non-NFL player. They ain't say NBA. Or that means that that's a non-NFL player, though. It could be MLB, it could be NBA, it could be NBA, it could be, Anybody who you think could play in the league. Hockey player. You know who I'm going with again.

You already know. LeBron James. Straight up. Brown James. Defensive end. Tight in. Wide out. No defensive end.

Stop, bro. Stop, bro. Defense. Stop, bro. Stop, bro. Stop, bro. Stop playing. Now you gasping.

I'm a LeBron fan. I'm Jordan first, but I'm LeBron second. Akron. No question. No defense. Not playing no defense? Hell no, Brown ain't playing no defense, bro. Man, that's just because he chooses not to run people over right now, man.

That's hitting, bro. For real. That's hitting. I'm not disrespecting him, bro. I ain't just straightening him either, but I'm looking at, okay. 265, 270? Bro, he got to take. 6-8?

He, he, listen, bro. That's too tall? You coming out of there, you got to come in there and bang, bang, bang. Okay, wide receiver a tight-down. Yes. Okay. I give you that one. I give you that one.

Because, like, Jimmy Graham was out that joint tight-in, just straight jump balls. So I'm trying to think of who I would go. Who I got to think so. Who I go? See, I'm leaning more towards, like, who? John Jones. Oh, man. I like that.

What position? Put him down there on the end. Outside backer? Put him down there on the end, on the end of the line. Okay, I like that. You can call it wherever you want. I'm put him on the end of the line. John Bones Jones is a good one.

His brother, not, Chanler, hey, Jones and Jones boys now. Yes, I got, yeah.

Okay, I like that. I like that one a lot. I like that one a lot. For sure. For sure. And then if I didn't go to Brown, because I keep going,

Bronn, Anthony Edwards. Okay. Anthony Edwards. I go with that. I go with that. Love, at Debo and Joe's,

essential water need to sponsor. Hell yeah, they do. Yes, yes, yes. Essential water, we need a sponsorship.

We got. I'll holler at you. your boy. This man drinks a thousand liters. All right. Look here. Check out the post. How they disrespect how Amazon disrespected the water. Okay. The love for the water that

I have, Joe now has. I spread it on out. You know what I'm saying? Hydration is a key factor to James. Hey, six to eight liters of day. That's what I do. I don't know who that is, though. I just said do so. Oh, yeah. It's just people walking

around we're walking through. It's getting live. He sent your water. How let you boy? Bibo, how long did it take you? Yes. Amen. That's never going to leave you, brother. You oxygen mask up. I'm trying to tell you, how long

did it take you to recover after the interception in the Super Bowl? So, it didn't take as long as y'all think it took the recovery. It did. It did. You keep lying because you over there on the oxygen mask. That's a long time. I'm trying to tell y'all to understand something. Listen, we was in a deep, what was that 10, 11, 12-placed drive right at the end of the half, okay?

Yes. So you already are exhausted before you ran. I catch the rock right there. Goal line. We're going back a hundred. Now, don't forget, I zigzagged. You jump. You hugged.

You hurtle. I gave, I gave like, I gave everything I had. Yes. That's all I had left. That was like a 130-yard run. Okay? Now, I'm just trying to tell you, I did hit my head. I'm trying to tell you, I'll just run the playback.

I hit my head, my neck cracked. I was go get up, but as I went to go get up, my neck cracked again. And that's when I realized I was dead dog tired. Double neck crack. And did you fall on the ball, too? Did the ball knock the wind out just a stomach or you didn't fall out? I was trying to give you a little out. The neck took all the way.

The head. And then when that happened, I realized, listen, I ain't catch my breath until I got in there at halftime. I ain't go lie. I had to get two IVs to it. Yes. Yeah. So 15 minutes. Good, good 15 minutes.

Hey, I'm going to tell you right now, you know how you take that oxygen and then you pull that mask off? It's worse. Because I never got the oxygen before, Debo. You know, I was, you know. Because then you really like, it's like, it's like, you really sucking through a straw then, bro. Like, you get all that good fresh. Yeah. And you take it off, it's like,

you know what I'm saying? Close your whip. Denver, you ever played in Denver? Yes, I played in Denver. You pulled that air, oxygen? I ain't get the oxygen, though. Do you what I'm trying to tell you? Bro, I thought I had sickle cell or something going on.

I thought you were like Ryan. Bro, I was coming up out of it. Man, I played in Denver three times. Twice I left there. Pissing blood. Oh, see? That was bad. That's no good.

That's no good. That's no good. What we got next? Sennan? Oh, there is? She-she. Vos. 15 minutes.

Hey, y'all, look here, man. We got a guest coming in. Is that? Old man. Is that the man? The man. The man, the myth. Old man, the man, the myth.

A.k.a. A.k.a. A.k. A.k.a. I just call him Shay-she. Call him Shay-Shay. Look here. A.k.a. Mr.

She said, say this, say that. Mr. Say how it is. Mr. Sains, like, he going to give you something that, that is granted said, that is, from way back in the old day which you had the Cadillac, he's going to give you the bar. He's going to get a brick wall, and the bumper wouldn't even been. He's going to give you some bars, some old-school bars. He going to give you some bars.

Look here, this is the man that afforded us the opportunity to be where we all. All right now, Cesei media, Csay. Shout out, Cetet. Shout out of Cet, Sane. Mr. Dimmel. I want to get the middle name. See? You know?

You know? It's full-blown government. What a boy, Ocho? He ain't got, like, we ain't got, no. We ain't going to put Ocho in the headlock, huh? You're going to put Ocho in the headlock? No, no, no, no, no. That's what you want to do?

Mm-mm. I'll talk about Q. Okay. Okay. Okay. Mm-hmm. Listen, man, he over there getting signed. lined up, I'm over here, I'm over here.

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Go away. Oh, that's how. I'm going to slide over. There you go. Night? Let's go. Big back. What's up?

How you doing, babe? I'm good, man. Good to see you. How you guys doing, bro? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame, the man that gave us opportunity we got right now.

We're very thankful for. No, man. You are. I mean, I thought you guys did an unbelievable job. filling in for Ocho and I this summer. And that was the whole purpose of it, was to try to get people and it's like, okay, let's see how they handle this situation.

How serious are they? Because this is something that you can't do one, you know, do a Monday and then I'm ass. Something came up. I can't do it this week. And that's what you run into a lot. Everybody says they want to do it. And then all of a sudden they get into it

and then they realize how much work it actually takes. And then all of a sudden they back away. But we reached out to James and he was like, I'll do it. I was like, I was like, I had been fighting for a while. That's probably why you were surprised.

I was very surprised. I'm like, I actually recently talked me into it. She's like, just come on, just do it. You might like, you don't know.

I'm like, dude, you know I don't, I'm like, all right. Because what Ash called me and said, what James says, Debo said,

he'll do it. I say, do what? Like, he'll do, he'll do, you know, I was like, does he understand that?

Like, this is like three times and it's like a hour to a two, after two hours. She's like, yeah. And then after you did it, she's like, he really likes it. And I think he wants to do one. I was like, serious? I was just find out how serious he is about doing it. And let's find someone that we can pair him with and go from there. And you guys, you know, you guys have done an unbelievable job. So I really appreciate you guys working at it.

And the thing is that you try to get better and better each time you do it. And it's a lot of work that goes into it. And you guys will put the work in. So I'm extremely proud of me. Oh, man. Thank you. Yeah, give me some cheat codes to be more successful at it. Because, I mean, you're doing it. I mean, you're doing it off the way. You know what I mean? You know, I think the biggest thing is be authentic.

This is, be who you are. And everybody knows who you are. I think the thing, the hardest thing for you is because, James, you didn't really do a whole lot of talking when you played. So now people are getting an opportunity to hear you. I was always talking. I was always on some bulljohn. Yeah.

But your play speaks for itself. Everybody knows an undrafted free agent and went on to be an all pro. It had been a defensive player of the year. to went to multiple pro bowls, won a Super Bowl. So your accolades speak for themselves. People don't realize just how much you have to say because you didn't have a lot to say when you actually played. You let your play do your talking.

So now it takes a while for people like, okay, he has a lot to say. He knows what he's talking about. Me, I was just the opposite. I started out. I talked when I played, still played at an elite level. And then once I was done, I went straight into television. And so people kind of heard my voice. But I think the biggest thing is with me, look,

Nightcap and Club Cheshay are two different platforms. Club Chethe is about the guest. My job is to, like, ask questions, try to make them feel as comfortable as possible. And when they come sit down across the man, they look at me, they realize this man ain't here to judge me. My story is my story. I'll allow them to tell it without over-talking them.

Club Shet, Ocho and I be on some bulljibed. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. We're going to break down the games. We're going to break down the games. But our motto is, come for the sports, stay for the stories. And we have a lot of stories having, you know,

obviously I'm about to be 58 in about five months, four months, actually. And to tell stories from high school and college and in the professional ranks and things that have happened in our life in Ochio in the same way. So I think that's the biggest thing. Just be consistent. People like consistency. There's a reason why, like, when you look at you. at sitcoms.

They came on at the same time every week. They didn't come on one. Okay, this week, Seinfeld came on Monday. Next week, he's going to come on Thursday. The next week he's going to come on Saturday. It's every single. And so people like to like, oh man, Debo and Joe, they come on every Monday, Tuesday, and Friday. They're going to come on at the

same time. Okay, boom, let's lock that in. And so that's basically how you do it. But you have to be consistent. And you can't be afraid. Whatever you say, you have to stand behind it. And look, if you get better information, More information. You're like, okay, this is what I thought,

but now more information has come forward and then you move off of that. But I think that's the biggest thing for me is what I've learned is that, look, I know what I know. What I don't know, I'm willing to ask, and if I'm wrong, I'll say I was wrong in this situation. Let me tell you why I said what I said,

but new information has come out, and we move forward. So when you first got started, how was that process? What were you learning? through and building through to where, you know, you're at where you're at now. It's your first spot. When we started Club Shay-Shay, Fox wrote it into my contract that I would do a podcast. I had no idea. The only person I knew had a podcast was Joe Rogan.

I didn't understand anything about podcasts and thing like that. And so, CJ, who's my EP, was at Fox. And he was trying to explain it to him. I said, well, all right, we'll do it. And it just so happens the first couple of years, we didn't do anything. thing, but then COVID happened. And so they wanted an alternative to have people to be able to sit down and have something to watch and not be bored and have the monotty of the day just overtake them.

And so I was like, CJ, man, I got to start this pod. I mean, what are you thinking? I was like, man, who am I going to call? He's like, look in your phone, call the most famous people that you know and see if they'll come on your podcast. It's going to be remote, so all they got to do is like, okay. So I'm looking at my phone. I got Floyd Mayweather.

I got Snoop Dogg. I got Hose Cube. I got Master P. I got Magic Johnson. I was like, okay. And, you know, reached out to Gill. But DeMarge de Rosen was the actual first guy that we did it live because prior to that that, everything was Zoom.

And we were getting good numbers. I mean, my brother went on and he was my very first guest and he did a million views. And I was like, CJ, is that good? See, you look at me like, do you understand? I was like,

is that good, C.J? He's like, no, that ain't good. That's great. I was like, oh, okay.

So I just thought it was easy. And once we got that, because I think the thing is, is that I always ask the guest, is there anything that you don't want to talk about. And in the process of asking them that, I believe,

because if you're sitting on that couch, I believe you have a career that's expansive enough and that span long enough that we can talk about things that's not your most salacious or most embarrassing detail and you still have a very interesting story to take.

Gotcha. And so that's how I'll look at that. Nightcap is that when I was leaving, when I left undisputed, I went to the volume. And the thing I love about club, Shaysha, it's weekly, but it's just hard to get around something

that's weekly. YouTube, it rewards, towards frequency. So I needed something that we could do, you know, two, three times a week. And so Jamie Horowitz and I, who was at the volume, he's like, so what do you think about this? He says, you can own a space that nobody's in. I was like, okay, what kind of space is that?

He said, have you thought about potentially, you know, after games? I was like, yeah, I like that. I like that. Yeah, that sounds good. I said, we'll come on. We'll do like 30 minutes. We'll take the three of the four most important games and we'll discuss it. I was like, okay, yeah, I like that.

He said, you want to do it by? I said, nah, I don't want to do it by myself. He said, who would you want to do it with? I said, oh, show. Instantly. He said, Chad Johnson? Yeah. I said, yeah.

He said, why? I said, because he's unassuming. I say, he doesn't take himself too serious, and he's the antithesis of what I am. He don't take anything serious. I take everything serious. So it's going to work because of his personality and my personality. And it just so happens that his agent used to work with my agent in the office.

So I called him. I said, Doug, man, what Ocho doing? He's like, man, it's funny that you say that. Ocho's in town right now. I say, can you guys meet us at the Palm? Say, I think this was like a Wednesday or a Thursday. Can you meet us at the Palm at say 1 o'clock? He's like, yeah, no problem.

So he shows up and I'm telling him what I'm trying to do. I said, man, look here, check this out. I got this idea. Jamie and I, we got this idea. I said, what we would do is that after the game, after the Sunday night football game, after the Monday night football game, we would go live. And we would talk about, obviously Sunday night, there's a lot more to talk about, but we'd talk about all the games and interesting stories. And he's like, I mean, I said, bro, I didn't tell you the rest of him. He said, I don't care.

He said, Uncle, if you're doing it, I want to be a part of it. And the rest is that they say is history. That's so good. That makes sense. Yeah, definitely. But that's the thing. I think the thing is that it's really hard. I take my head off to Colin because Colin, for the most part,

speaks three hours every day. And it's basically him. He bounces things off, Jason, occasionally. But for him to talk three hours a day by himself, me, I want a different person. I want a different perspective. Okay, this is what I think. What do you think?

And then we go back and forth. Sometimes we debate that situation. And sometimes it was like, okay, we're going to agree to disagree. But for the most part, I need someone to have, a different perspective, a divergent opinion than what I have because even though we kind of played the same position I was a tight end, he was a wide receiver,

we see things differently. We see a lot of things differently. I'm the whole guy's accountable. But I realize now as I've gotten older and in this age of social media and internet, these guys are different, man. These guys, but I couldn't, I could. You feel like it's sensitive.

They are. But you know what would bother me, Debo and Joe, is that the lateness, I cared about winning. All this other brand building and all this other stuff and TikTok videos and all this. And I was talking to someone,

I was talking to Shirm last night. I said, Sharm, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. If I was currently playing, ain't no way I do a podcast. No. Not why I'm an active player. I could. I would be, you know,

I would have a general idea of kind of direction that I want to go in, but to have it And to be, because what happens when you play good, you're going to want to talk and when you play bad, you ain't got into since. So, so now how much of that podcast is really, truly 100% authentic? Because you're not going to be taking the comments and questions that come from the loss, especially things that may be directed towards coaches and ownership and all that because you're still there.

Because you know what they're going to say? See, Debo, if you got your ass off that podcast, you'd play. A thousand percent. And you're going to feel some type of way, hey, Joe, you out there getting cooked, Because you have been podcast. Back pedal. Watch them tape. No question.

And so that's how it is. And I think the thing is, look, for the longest time, when I first got into the league in 90, guys had a problem with people critiquing their play that didn't play the game. Yes. Yeah. They's like, you know what? I don't have somebody, problem somebody critiquing my game if they played said game.

Okay, so now fast forward, we got guys that played the game. We played the game at an elite level. No, no. No, no. and now we don't know what we got. Yeah, the game is with the game in. The game is what the game is. And that's when I say, too, how you say, when we know the plays,

I'm not trying to say the corner gets beat on this play. But if you get blown coverage, I'm going to call it out. Like, that's not, you got to make sure you got your man. That's it. Exactly. Them not being able to take accountability. No, they won't. They won't because it's almost like, well, you hate him.

Bro. Have you seen my resume? I don't want to hate them. I've seen your resume and I've seen my resume. Now, you tell me why I'm hated. I'm just saying, I'm not saying, and they take everything so personal, I'm not saying you a bad player. I'm saying that was a bad play, and you happen to be involved in it.

1,000%. But they can't take it like that. But I think the thing is, time told me something very long time ago. He says, when you say something, it stinks, it hurts more because he says, Shannon, you got a gold jacket. You went to Pro Bowl. you went to all pro and you won Super Bowls. You're just not some arbitrary guy saying something about said player.

So what you say holds more weight. And I was like, you're right. You're absolutely right. And that's why I stopped speaking on the Hall of Fame because they would take pro football Hall of Fame or says he doesn't think such as such as you'd be in the Hall of Fame. That ain't what I said. You asked me a question.

I was like, so I just stopped speaking when it came to the Hall of Fame. I'm still going to critique hell out of these players and I think for the most part when I run into players they will tell me this you're hard but you're fair and at the end of the day that's all you can be. You be fair to the individual

it's not personal I don't know the individual I don't know what he does I don't know if he's married he has a girlfriend he has kids I don't know anything about I don't know anything about his back I'm just critiquing you

about what I see on the field that's how I judge you I'm judging what you do on the field I'm not judging you as a father I'm not judging you as a son. I'm not judging you as a brother. I'm judging you as a football player based on my knowledge

and based on what I see. That's it. Yeah, I think they take too much of it personally and it's like an impersonal attack on them. No, it's an attack on what you're doing as a player. Correct. In that position. On that play?

Yes, on that play or that game. Hell, you might have messed up the whole damn game. You know what I'm saying? Well, hopefully you didn't mess up the whole game, man. But guys, I want to congratulate you. you guys. You guys are doing an unbelievable job, man. It means a lot that you guys, you thought enough of me and my platform and to want it to have your own platform up under my platform. That means a lot. Continue success. Continue to work hard. And it's only up. The first year

is always the hardest. It does get easier and easier. But because it gets easier, that doesn't mean you have to work any less hard. You have to work harder in order for it to grow. And I'm sure you guys will continue this great success. I appreciate you guys. I appreciate you, boss. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look here, baby. Hey, how do you want to run that one? You want to do it right now with the...

Let's go. Shea, thank you for coming on. Appreciate you, boss. What time we got? Un-in-in-a-building. Woo. What we got now, come? 9-54.

What are you on, D-Bow? We got six minutes. We got time. Sweat back over here. We got another one up there. Boy, rap, rap. I think it's time to wrap it up, Debo. Damn, already. Look here, man.

Man. We want to thank you. We want to thank you guys to coming out here. Look here. Let's talk about the game. Who you got? Seahawks. You got Seahawks?

I got New England. They already know what it is. Okay. What's your school? 27-24. 27-24, Joe said. Ah, what I'm going to go with? I'm going to go with the same thing except it's going to be the Patriot.

Okay, I can respect. Ah, look here, man. We want to thank y'all for joining on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please like, subscribe, and download the show. We'll be back on Monday. Yes, yes, yes. At the crib, talk about the Super Bowl and how the Patriots went on here and did everything I said they was going to do.

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