Nightcap - Unc & Ocho’s NFL BEST Part 2: Terry Demands Out, Micah, Jerry Beef unrepairable?! | Nightcap

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson share their biggest NFL moments of the week on Nightcap! The duo break down Commanders star wide receiver Terry McLaurin's trade request and what it means for Washington's future and give the latest on the Cowboys drama   0:00 - Terry McLauren's future with Commanders  20:11 - Micah Parsons and Jerry Jones Beef (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Volume #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ojo, Terry McLaurin has asked commanders to trade him. McLaren turns 30 in September. McLaurin in the final year, he's in the final year Ocho, final season of a three-year deal, set to make $15.2 million base salary, and is

currently the 17th highest paid wide receiver in terms of average annual salary. Ocho. Get my dog out of there, man. Get my dog out of that, man. Where you train them to? They want to play, huh?

Where you train them? Tennessee. Let him go over there to Tennessee with Cam real quick so Cam could do exactly what CJ Stroud did. So Cam can do it exactly what what Jane Daniels did over there with the commanders.

You know, giving them weapons. Put them weapons around him. You know, we got Calvin Redley, we got Terry McLaurin. Wait, we got Tyler Lockett over there too, huh? Right? I'm not mistaken. I think title lock it in the slot.

Come on, man. They still got Paula, right? Paula's still a runner back? Yes. Oh, come on, man. Talk about Tennessee. Tennessee, the Dark Horse team to make it to playoffs. Terry Milanova, since they want to play games,

goddamn Jane Daniels doesn't have a rocks in his back pocket to be able to go up the management right now and say, listen, I need my target. I don't think you understand. A huge part of my success was actually having number 17 as a target. Look at some of the place they made for us last year.

Why is it even a no-brainer? I don't care about him being 30. I don't care about it being 30. Where else are we going to get the production from? Where? No disrespect to Devo Samuels.

Nice. Very nice at what he does. Very nice at what he does. He's a Swiss Army knife. He can come out the back. He's in the slot. He put in motion with the ball in his hands. yeah he's a jack is phenomenal one of the best yeah for sure when you go into a game and you're playing the commanders

they're game planning and setting the defensive formation where terry mclaren lines up what are we talking about if what adam port if what adam shepter is reporting is to be true he wants way north of 33 million they're not going there oh joe they're not You know that, I know that.

I mean, not, not, not, not, not a 30. If what Adam, like I said, Adam Schuster tweeted that. Ash, can you find that quote and put it up on the thing to make sure it still fit the real Adam Schaefter and we're not getting a catfish?

But if what Adam Schaefter reported is that he wants North wait, I think the word, mention the terms he used was way north of $33 million? Well, listen, I want way north of $33 million. Stay with me now. Okay.

The commanders say, we're not going to give you north of $33 million. So, okay, let's negotiate. Let's find a happy medium that's not disrespectful to me and what I've done for this franchise. Because the number speaks for themselves. Yeah, but don't try. I don't pay for what you. for itself. Oh, Joe, I ain't going to pay you for what you've done.

I already paid you for that. I got to pay you what I'll believe are you going to do now. Well, he's going to continue. He's 30, right? Yes. 30. He can, he can very well because of the quarterback

play and the quarterback's who have, he's going to be consistent. That's a no-brainer. He's not losing a step. Now, I just don't, I just don't know if that number, is that number, that north. Okay, North is 33, maybe one 33 and a half. Because think about it, you do realize who's at 30, 34, and 35.

CD and Jetta. Yeah. Now, what- Way North means he's 36, 37. Give him it all 32 and a half. Give Terry McLaren 32 and a half. I was thinking more along the lines of a waddle somewhere, somewhere between 28 and a half. Hell no, hell no, hell no.

I'm just, Ocho, I'm just, I got, I got to be real, now, okay. Give me a dog 32 and a half. Talk to me, nah. Talk to me nice. Huh? We talk about Scary Terry.

We ain't talk about just knowing anybody, now. Huh? We're talking about the one who wears the sea on the chest. We talk about the captain. The one who does everything the right way. He says all the right things. He's the leader of the team. He's the leader of the offense.

His teammates gave him the C for a reason. Now it's time to pay him for the exact. for the exactly that you're asking to be and now it's a problem. That's what we're doing? That's what they're doing. That's what it seems like they're doing.

And, nigga, please. I mean, child, please. I think, come on, man. I think 30 million is probably what, I think the 30th is the drop-dead number because that's where, that's what Tyreek is.

Ash, pull up the top 10s, pull up the receivers. Adam Schepter said he thinks Terry McLaurin wants considerably more than D.K. got, which was $33 million per year. So considerably more is going to be 35, 36, 37. Damn.

Listen, sometimes you got a, you got to shoot high, you got to shoot high and fast away, you know, find a happy median. I like it. Two for the stars. If you're laying on the moon, you're still pretty damn high. You'll be, you'll be happy. I don't like the fact that the players are missing training camp. I don't like it.

Because you got, you need that time to be getting pushed and shoved and getting acclimated to the speed of the game, you know, catch. Okay, Ocho, here we are right here. Jamar Chase is at 40.40.25. Jetta, 35, CD, 34, DK. 33. Garrett Wilson, 32. AJ, 32. Armand Ross St. Brown, 30. Brandon I.U., 30.

Tyreek Hill, 30. T. Higgins, 28. 7.50. Yeah, 32 and a half. I'm going to say that again. 32 and a half. Anything below that is disrespectful. Put the numbers up.

Pull the numbers up. See, I, they... You got them on your screen. Did you see them? Can you see them? No, the numbers, no. Okay. No.

But listen, listen, listen. Anything below that and disrespectful. Pull the numbers up. See, I need to be... I need to be some of the... I need to be assistant to somebody... agents when it's time for these receivers get paid. Because not only am I'm going to pull the numbers up,

not only I'm going to put the numbers in the market where everybody getting paid, I'm also walking there with the goddamn film. I'm not sure. What's y'all been watching? So 32 and a half will put him at Garrett Wilson, Fifth Highest paid, fifth best received. Thank you. See? See? Okay, it's not

outrageous. It's not too low. It's right in the middle and it's not disrespectful. But he won't... What we're talking about? He won't considerably more than 33. All right. See, boom. He was shooting for the stars.

If I fall low, I want to fall to the 32 and a half. I think you're going to fall at 30. No, no, no, no. See, I need to be in the rooms, huh? I need to be in the room when it's time for receivers to negotiate. I think the owners and whoever does the numbers and the books, they forgetting what you did. Yeah.

I'm coming in there with the, film i'm coming up with the film forget what you talk about let me show you why my my client deserves what we're asking for let me show you why play by play i'm gonna have all this catches and touchdown broken down 32 and a half let me show you why 32 and a half down and distance different scenarios remember right come on man stop playing man what okay i'm the right listen i'm the i'm the right one to have when it comes to negotiation and getting somebody. I agree. I agree with Jocho. I don't think 32 and a half is outrageous.

But I think he's going to fall somewhere. I think he's going to be, you know. And I said, because remember, Waddle, and remember I said, I went 28 to half, that 28 to half, so I think he's going to fall that 28 to half to 32. That's going to be the range. And I don't know

if he's going to be too happy with that. Because what happens is that you don't want to be, you don't want to come behind a guy, Ocho, When the guy got 32 and a half, and then you come behind him, you get 31 or you get 30. Because now you've stunning the growth of the wide receiver. Now, I get it. You look at Gary Wilson.

Gary Wilson said, hey, 32-5, considering where I was, I'm cool with that. Right. And right now, I can't match the production of CD, Jetta, and Chase. So I can't go up there and say, hey, y'all need to break me off like that. Because Jetta is on some historic-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Case is on some historic-ish. There's levels to everything.

And so when you look at it like that, but I get what Terry McClure and says, hold on the bro, look, hey, y'all need to break me off. Come on. 32 and a half. That's it. Okay. 32 and a half is it?

Okay. If they don't pay him 32 and a half, I'm going to go off on management. I don't know where, but they're going to hear me. They're going to hear me. Bill's running back James Cook, did not practice today. Cook is seeking a contract extension but was present

at mandatory mini camp, reported the training camp, and had participated thus far. Kept it short when asked why he set out. Business said, would ask if he will practice Monday. Business. With James Cook being full pass

for Buffalo bills, week one against the Ravens, it's being reported. I don't know if it's true. We got to, we got to provide context for everything now, Ocho. Right, right. He will ask for a deal similar to what the Eagles gave Sequin. James, I don't think you're going to get that, bro. I'm just going to be honest with you.

I think you're a fabulous young running back, but you're not fin to get something comparable to Sequin. I don't think you're going to get something comparable to Mac, see Mac. I don't think it'll be nothing comparable to D. Henry. What does Derek Henry make, Ash? 16. Ooh, that's tough.

Ocho, we got to think about Ocho, they just started paying running back the last two years. It's tough. It's tough. And listen, they started paying the running backs the last two years and they play in the tier one running back, right?

Yes. I see James Cook as... Two? Tier two. Right below, right? He's right there, you know, he was an intricate part of that offense last year. He was an intricate part of that

offense last year and had very, very, very many plays. Very, very many plays. He fits very well in that system along with Josh. Sequin. That's one. D. Henry. Okay. C. Mack. Okay. Let me ask you a question. Okay.

So we're going to put Josh Jacobs. You like him next? Jonathan Taylor. Ooh, I forgot about J.T. he's in that class though right he's he's in that he's in that you know who we don't talk about enough too

since we're on the topic of running backs Kyron Williams over there with the Rams oh Kyron weev yeah yeah excuse me Joe Mixing had a nice year oh I who

I mean 20 another 20 million I just just don't see it. Now, I'm not saying, look, deserve, earn, I don't, I don't see them paying that, that asking price. Saquan is at 20 million. Christopher is at 19 million. Derek Henry is at 15 million. Jonathan Taylor is at 14 million. Avon Camara is at 12, 250. Josh Jacobs, 12. Aaron Jones, 10. James Connor. Nine. David. Montgomery

nine point well James Carter is 9.5 David Montgomery 9.125 and

Romandre Stevenson is at 9 million so so you see 10 is at $9 million

20 is at $20 million so he's going have to fit somewhere in there he he I don't see him leapfrogging

Taylor Henry McCaffrey he said he wants something comparable to

Sequin Sanquo is at the top of the food chain at 20.6. And he just came off of 2000. He just came off offensive player of the year. And he ran his team to the soup bowl. Yeah. That's tough. That's tough.

I love. Derek Henry just had 1921 yards led to league in rushing touchdowns. We know Christian McCaffrey the year before. He was offensive player of the year. We know it is when he was healthy. Jonathan Taylor, because Sequin and D. Henry has such unbelievable. seasons we forget he had an unbelievable season also but because those two guys were battling out

for 2000 and uh sayquine got it and henry was like 79 yards short we kind of forgot about him and we know jacob's uh uh what he what he what he do oh cho oh look really brother cook holy holo hold of jane cook man i want home team got to get his money though man he got to be more than he can be more than 25 ocho see oh so listen if you're not more than 25, right? If he's not more than 25, there's no reason why he can't be slaughtered at right about 12, 12 or 13. 12 or 13 is fair.

Even if at 25, you still got a lifespan of maybe another seven years, especially in that offense over there in Buffalo. Yeah. In that Pacific offense, you can still, like, I don't think they're that many running backs you can go fine right now that can do what James Cook does. I don't think people, let's not be. he'll be 26 on he'll be 26 in september until he's 25 currently give that 13 man stop playing

give him that 13 he's young it's not that many running backs they can do what he does we too are coming out of the backfield laughing up yeah i agree i agree he can catch the ball but see oh joe but see you see how you being realistic you say somewhere between 12 13 maybe that's that's good money bro he said he want to deal comparable to say quine 20 And Sequin, think about Ocho.

Sequin signed a free agent deal. Sequin prays so good, they tore the deal up and made them the highest paid, even after signing a free agent deal. Derek Henry played so well last year. Even after signing a free agent deal, they tore it up and gave a new deal. Damn, man. I want my dog to get paid too, man. That's home team, man.

That's the whole team. Damn. But I think the thing is, don't you? We've got to be realistic. They just started paying running backs the last year and a half, two years. Hey, they're paying the special ones, though. I'm not going to be paying any and everybody. They're paying the special one.

True. Based on what he does, like, he ain't a muffling. He ain't no slouch. No. Important part of that offense. He makes that offense go. Now, we know Josh Allen. We know what Josh Allen is.

Yeah. Boy, Josh Allen is over there with no superstar. No true number one running backs, but I mean, wide receivers. But you do have another weapon in goddamn James Cook. Huh? You got, you got, uh, Shakir. Nice, solid. Just got paid in the off-season, if I'm not mistaken.

Yeah. Keon Colman out, an up-and-coming young bull. Don't they got the kid from San Diego? Didn't they sign him in for agency? Ooh, San Diego, the charges? Yeah, I mean, San Diego, the L.A. charges, yeah. didn't they sign Palmer Josh Palmer is over there

huh If it's Josh Josh Palmer right I think that's who it is I think his first name Josh if I'm not mistaken Hey God damn But that's a tough

Listen honestly I wouldn't want I wouldn't want to be an owner I wouldn't want to be him He's about to be 26 and Joshua Palmer Yeah yeah I wouldn't want to be a gym

When it comes to like fringe situations like this we can go either way. I want to be a gym where it comes to no brainers. Oh, that's easy. Oh, yeah, yeah, but no, no, no. You got to make tough decisions.

Yeah, I don't like the tough decisions like this. Because you can't keep everybody, you got to decide, okay, do I get off this guy? And then you one time you get off somebody, like you let somebody go and then they go gangbusters. Kind of like what Derek Henry did? They're like, what the hell were you thinking about? You let Derek Henry go the bro.

But also, Giants, Giants, what are you thinking about? You let Seekuan go? Yeah, but listen. Tennessee, what the hell are you thinking?

You let A.J. Brown go? Yeah, but this is the thing, you have to think about it. The timing and the places where these individuals win was very important. Yes.

Very important. Sequin left a disgruntled, a not-so-good offense in New York and went to the Philadelphia Eagles with the best officer line. True. Tennessee, I'm not sure

what you were thinking, or what you were looking at. Because Derek Henry, then the Derek Henry going to be Derek Henry, wherever he go. Okay. So, ah. That's tough. Yeah, we wish it. Cook, get your money, baby.

Do what you got. Maybe 13, 14, 15, maybe in that range, but that 19, 20. 13, 15, 13, 13, 13, 15. He only 25. He only 25. Hey, Josh Allen. Josh Allen, man, you, you need to interfere. Intervene, intervene, please.

Intervene. Listen, you know how much power with Josh got? Do you understand? I don't think people understand. Do you know how much power the quarterback has in situations like this? Man, Josh goes there right now, man. What's the owner name?

I forgot his name. Uh, I met him. Bagula. Yeah, his daughter's really good at tennis, don't? Yes. He's really good at tennis. You know, Mr. Pagula, man, Josh got the man. Listen, Mr. Bula, I don't want any more distractions.

I don't want any more distractions. Brother Cook, brother cook is a very important part of our offense. He takes some of the pressure off me, some of the pressure off my shoulders. Let's find a way to get this. It's not, bro. I gave you $330 million. I need to put more pressure on your shoulder. So get out my office.

Nah, hell now. As a matter of fact, I'm in the trading. For $330 million, for $330 million what I pay at you and $250 million guarantee, don't you? Nah, bro, I ain't tried to take no pressure off your shoulder. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to do that, Josh. Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one.

I forgot he paid Josh all that guy. God damn. I'm tripping. Oh, shoot. And this is Micah and Jerry. They've kind of been going back and forth over the weekend. Micah posted a lengthy message

on social media on Friday, concluding with a statement that he no longer wants to play for the Cowboys. Yes, I wanted to be there here. I did everything I could to show that I wanted to be a cowboy and wear the star on my helmet. I wanted to play in front of the best fans in sports

and make America's team Murr's team once again the team my pops and I grew up cheering for way up in Harrisburg PA he is from Harrisburg Ocho you know

normally Harrisburg normally that Steeler or Eagles country a lot of people like the Steelers up in Harrisburg but hey if you know if you're in Pennsylvania and you root for the Eagles

I mean you got two teams but if you root for the Eagles I ain't going to hold that against you if you root for the Steelers I'm not going to hold that against you but think about it he is in Steelers Eagle territory and he and his pops

a Cowboys fan Unfortunately, I no longer want to be here. I no longer want to be held to a closed-door negotiation without my agent present. I no longer want shots taken at me for getting injured while laying it on the line for the organization our fans, my teammates. I no longer want narratives created and spread to the media about me. I knew I would be leaving money on the table, but again, I was okay with that. Again, radio silence my extension in March, I met with Mr. Jones to talk about leadership. somehow the conversation turned into him talking about contract with me.

Yes, I engaged back and forth in regards to what I wanted from my contract, but at no point did I believe this was supposed to be a former negotiation that I informed Mr. Jones after the, hmm, major would reach out thinking we'll get things done. I stayed quiet, but again, after repeated shots at myself and all these narratives, I made a tough decision. I no longer want to play for the Cowboys. My trade request has been submitted. it to Stephen Jones personally.

Ocho, take off. What's your take-on business? Listen, hey, I just, I don't understand. It's one thing for owners to think a certain way to not really value the people that, the players that lay it all on the line for you, but you have a certain way of conduct yourself. You already have a history of things

that are frowned upon when it comes to us anyway. Way, way back. I don't need to bring that up. But to continue to show us during the Kaepernick era time as well, the one owner that came out and said, all our players will be standing up. Yeah, we're going to hold a line if you play for my team. And just to see how he conducts business and the way he does it, despite being the most profitable franchise of of all sports, the way he did CD, the way he did Ezekiel Elliott, the way he did DAC, now the way he's doing Michael Parsons. this time, even going a little further past the line and talking about him

in a way like, well, even if we do pay him, he might not be available like he was last year. Like, you don't, you don't miss six games. You don't say stuff like that as the owner when he's busting his ass for you and your team. Obviously, do what his job is and what you pay him to do.

Injuries are a part of a sport, but to hear your owner, the one who signed the check, you say it, and to say how he really feels publicly to the world. that's the kind of stuff like it gets out it slips out because somebody recorded it somebody stuck a conversation but he just like probably

he blurted it out letting you know how he feels about you how could you want to line up and put that hat on how could you want to wear that star outside of just doing it for the money see if we talk about the Ocho that's why I like to have somebody because he might have told the agent that

but the agent never would have come back and told me or you that exactly why you never want to be a part of where you never want to be a part negotiations because the real them comes out. And the agent never discloses that. Right. Because you'll be upset. Everybody will be upset on how they feel about you because when it comes to business, they are shrewd. Right. This is what they do. This is not what you do. Right. I don't have a problem. I think Bobby Wagner was one of the first ones that says,

you know, I no longer have an agent. I'm going to negotiate my own contract. I think Sherm did that. I think we saw Lamar and his mom negotiate their own contract. I don't have a problem with that. If you says I'm going to be my own representative, I'm going to engage in these talks with whomever, be it Jerry, Stephen, or whomever is doing this contract negotiations, I'm cool with that. But if I tell you I have representation, don't try to isolate me. Right. And back, that's why I have representation because this is what they do. I'm giving him a percentage of the total contract because I want him to negotiate on my behalf. Right.

So that's why Jerry had him going all these places. Hey, Michael, come on, fly on the plane because he's trying to, no, no, no, no. Now, if Michael said, you know what, Jerry, you're right, I can do this on my own. And then that way, I don't have to give David his agent. I won't have to give him 2%, 3%, or whatever the case may be, whatever he charges. I just keep that for myself. But that's not what Michael said. No.

Michael says, hey, I have an agent. He's like, I thought this was the start of the negotiation. Hey, hey, David Mugoletta is looking forward to hearing from you. Hey, told him we have a great conversation. He'll take it from here. Jay thought they had a done deal. No. Mike ain't.

No. No, no. Mike are not stupid. No. Hey, but, this is the part I understand. This goes for everybody also in the chat. You have certain players. You have special players that come along.

I call them no-brainers. I call them players. that are no-brainers. When they come in, when they get drafted and you watch them play year-to-year, it's a no-brainer when it's time to pay him. Right. Michael Parsons is a no-brainer.

The Jerome cases are no-brainers. The Justin Jefferson's are no-brainers. Amman Ross St. Brown, I'm just using receivers for perspective. Those are no-brainers. You know, there's no reason to play a game when it comes to a player of that magnitude. Even if they're, whatever the books may say.

Like stuff like that, well, you know what? We have one player on defense. It's our superstar. The ball, the ball should have been rolling out. The season started another three weeks. Why are we still talking about contract with the no-brainer? Yeah. Because think about it, what it costs to Bingers.

It cost them an extra $6 million a year or next to $24 million over four years because you waited a year. It probably costs you an extra $30 million in guarantees because you waited an extra year. So you have to pay a tax. You have to pay a penalty. If you're late, let me ask you a question. If you late on your rent, you pay a penalty.

If you've got something at the court and you're late, if you owe Uncle Sam, there's a penalty for being late. If you negotiate my contract late, there is a penalty for said service. Now, with all that being said, Jerry didn't have to say any of that, but Jerry's just going to show you. See, Jerry, he's got to let you know who's in charge. Yeah. Because it is reported that as the representative

has been trying to reach out, Jerry ain't returned no calls. On purpose. Absolutely. On purpose. Absolutely. To prove a point. What point he's trying to prove?

I have no idea. I run this show. I'm a show. I'll pay you when I get ready. Like you do me. Like you do, me over your 50th out, Hunter. You basically told me I'm going to pay you when I get ready. Oh, no.

I ain't say that. I mean, I told you. No, your actions did. I'm going to take care of your baby. I'm not Jerry. I don't like that comparison. Don't do me like that. Yeah, you, this is we coming up on a year.

It's a penalty for being late. I got you. I got one thing about it. Thank you, you know what? I got it. See, you got it, but I need to get it. Right, right. You know, hey, you know.

Pocket's light right now. I got light right now. You're saying Pocket's light. That's why I love you. That's what I need. Come on, come on back home. That's what I need. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. That's the canon I need. We're going to be all right. Oh, for sure. We're going to be all right. I'm telling you. Hey, Todd Trippin said, we're going to be all right.

Are we good? And Micah, Micah said, would you back me in a corner? For hell, I don't be here no more. Hey, if you're going to be here no more. Hey, if you think, I tell you what, if you're upset, talking about I might not be here, I miss six games, trade me. Yeah.

See what the market is and trade me. Man, listen. But, hey, if Jerry was to play, but obviously you know he's not going to do that. Boy, you know, Micah could reset the market by what? He's going to reset the market anyway. He might get 50. I mean, I'm...

I definitely believe he can get 45. Yeah, easy. I believe I can get 45. Whatever Miles Garrett got and gotten. guaranteed money. I think Miles got 123. He can go 140. Easy. But this is the only part I don't like

is whatever team he goes to, it wouldn't be a contender. It'd be a team that has a lot of room, a lot of salary cap room, so they'll be able to pay him that. Eagle to trade for it. The commanders are definitely trade for it. The Eagles, that's not fair. That's not fair. If

he was to go to the Eagles and they gave up whatever compensation they would want for Michael Parsons, you might as well hand him the goddamn Lombardi now. Just go ahead and give it. Well, Jared said he worried about a missing time. He won't have to worry about him.

He don't have to worry about paying him and he ain't got to worry about him getting injured and missing time on his dime. So with that being said, and at some point in time, it's just like, bro, what are we doing here? I get it.

I get it. You own the team. You said, hey, I'm in my fifth year. We could have did something after year four. I mean, year three. We could have done something after year four. So now we're into the option. You picked up my fifth-year-player option.

That's where we are right now. Yeah. At the four Pro Bowls, two, three, first-team all-proves, defensive rookie of the year? Twelve sacks a season. Twelve sacks four years in a row. Come on, huh? So is that what we doing right now?

Yeah, really? Really, that's what we doing? Listen, I can't say it couldn't be me because. He said this is negotiating, no show. He said, we're negotiating now. Right. But it's a shrewd business. It's a shrewd business.

And the fact that he let his feelings out publicly like that. Yeah. It says all you need to know. Yeah. It says all you know. I think you and I, look, we've played sports and we've been in the, we negotiate. When negotiation gets personal, you got to be careful, Ocho. Yeah.

You got to be careful. Yeah. In any type of negotiation, right. Whatever the case may be, if it starts to get personal, get personal, one side will start to build up a resentment towards the other side. Right. Right. But.

And then even when he gets the money, they still feel a certain way. And then the other person that gave you the money still feels a certain type of way. The funny thing about it is, regardless for us as the player, we're never in a position of leverage. We're never in a position of power. Unless you're like, you know what? you turn out to be like, damn, I'm balling. I'm a rookie, defensive rookie the year.

I'm all pro. And I really just sit on my money. And I'm willing to say, okay, y'all playing. I see y'all week eight so I can get that. I'll see y'all week eight. So I get that best a year. Come in, get me another quick eight sacks. That's what y'all going to do?

Y'all play, y'all play, I play. Right. Yeah. But see, that's the thing. if you didn't have see Jerry knows he has leverage he has a fifth of your player option which is this year

and he has two franchise tags Oh so just imagine my just imagine if see that you see what that wrote in his contract no franchise tags Oh yeah

no franchise tags quarterback he can do that Hey put that in there right Hey, no, you can't franchise me because that's the leverage that they got because I got, theoretically, Mike,

I got you for this year and two more. Damn. That's an, it's unbelievable the game, the game that they play. You already know how they feel, right? You already know how they feel about you, you know? It's one thing that they say, and I hate to bring it up

because the first thing when you compare the NFL to a certain term they want to use, the first thing people bring up, well, you get paid millions. Mm-hmm. But it's modern day, you know what. But you get paid millions. You know, but that's not to hear no there,

but just to hear Jerry say it. Just the fact that he uttered the words with confidence. Yeah, for sure. How to care in the world about your star player. And then he took a shot at Dak. What are we doing? Well, look, Dak realized he's a quarterback. Dak is the leader of the team, yes.

But he and Jerry, it's not like, see, Jerry had a relationship with Tony Romo. Yeah. That's, Dak has always Hyden Poe with Jerry because it was Jerry that wanted to give Tony Romo his job back. Hmm. That wouldn't happen. Oh, he got, he kind of got, you know, Stephen and I think Jason Garrett and a few others, like, Jerry, what are you doing?

What do you, what, are you, are you serious? Yeah. Even after all those injuries that Tony Romo, he paid him. He ain't mentioned nothing by no injury. He ain't mentioned nothing about that. And at one point in time, Tony Romo was the highest pay playing in the NFL. Hey. Without blinking.

Yeah. Jerry also spoke with the reporters about Michael Trey requests. Let's take a listen to what Jerry had to say. ever consider training. Again, I don't really place that with any real seriousness. You know, Mike has got a bad back. That's like being traded. Did the request take you by surprise? The only way it's the same. Did the request take you by surprise? Again, no, that's negotiation. I've heard that so many times in my 30 years in the NFL about. out from not just players, but agents.

And of course, we all understand contracts. We're under contract. That's what we're doing. We're looking at adjusting the contract, but we're under contract, and we're in camp, and that's the way the rules are set up. But that is old stuff, 30 years of old stuff. some of these issues we're hearing about trading, hurtbacks, all that kind of stuff. When do you start negotiations with his people, Jerry?

Again, I've been negotiated, I've started negotiations in March. But what was with his age? I said I started negotiation in March, and I've negotiated double handfuls of contracts, just like I did in March. Again, again, again, again, are you asking me? Yeah. I started that in March. I questioned with him in a negotiation.

The meeting was about leadership, not about his contract. It's my answer. It's my answer. I was negotiating in March. Again, I sat with him at the Big 12 Conference Championships and with him at Super Bowl. So Mike is easy for me to talk to, and we've had good talks. And we had a good talk regarding negotiation on the contract the way I have many, many, many players. Man, he said something very interesting.

Preston, Ocho. What Paul? He says Michael's under contract. But what about when players are under contract and they get cut? They don't care. You know they don't care. You know they don't care. He's got, oh, we have contract and we have rules, but the rules are one-sided.

If I outperform the contract, one of the new contract, you say, whoa, whoa, you're under contract. If I underperform the contract that I signed, you say, you got to go. You see, this is what, this is what players should be. This is why they fight so hard to try to get guaranteed money. This is what you should be. Instead of petty privilege. instead of worried about two of days and worry about how many padded practices you have

during the course of the year, these are the things that true leadership in the NFLPA, this is what you should be fighting for. I'm getting rid of. No, we're not doing no franchise tag. Right. Look, if I'm at a normal job

and I want to, my contract is coming up, they can't say, well, we're going to franchise you. And if I work for Google, that means I can't go talk to Apple or I can't go talk to Microsoft. No. Free agency, how can you be free

if you can't, you're under tag, they got a tag on you. Free agency means I'm free to negotiate wherever. And there can't be a cap because whatever the market would bear. I just saw Mark Zuckerberg

just pay a guy, AI guy, $250 million. $100 million up front. That's what free agency is. All I'm saying is, and I'm going to give, I just hope the next person in the NFLPA, I'm here.

This is some of the things health benefits. No, no, uh, uh, no franchise tag. No franchise tag got to go. Guaranteed contracts. Yeah, man. Because I, you, you can't, oh, Joe,

you can't have it both ways. You can negotiate with me when you want to, but you can also cut me when you want to. So if I outperform the contract, you say you got a contract. I underperformed the contract. You didn't perform up to the standard, and so now you go.

Yeah. So you got to be careful. They need somebody. All right. I know you think you view me, you view me as the fun and the love, the entertainment, the jokes, and the laughter, but they need somebody shrewd that could be shrewed right back.

When it comes to conducting business, you've got to be someone that's fighting for the players, not minimizing the players and pretending like I'm for you, but really siding on the other end. Mm-hmm. Man, listen, you know how... The NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage.

Baseball, players have the leverage. Basketball, the players have the leverage. All sports were contracts are guaranteed the players have to leverage. I think because so many players on a team, NFL owners don't want to lose the leverage. of the plate. Yeah. I'm like, guess what?

And I don't know when this back injury, hey, that ain't put no Ben Gay on it either. So I don't know when this back issue, because it flares up. Every time I go to put that helmet on, my back's starting to hurt, Ocho. Every time. Every time.

He could play hardball. He could play hardball, but listen, with owners, GMs, everyone that sits in a position of power on the NFL team, what they will, use against you as they know you're probably full before I do because

you love the game. You love the game. Yep. They're banking on it. They're banking on it. You're going to fold before they do. So you got, you got to play hard ball. How hard do you want to play the game? Because they're going to play with you. They're going

to test you. Yeah. You see how agitated he got? I negotiated in March. Yeah. And I answered the question already. no Michael said he thought you were talking about leadership he referred you to his agent you asking me yeah we're asking you but we talked to Michael too listen can you imagine a chat

I don't I don't mean I'm not I'm not into hypotheticals because you imagine if Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Roseman ran the Cowboys can you imagine if they were the ones in charge with the talent that they had because they drafted like the second day drafted like the second most since what 2014 maybe the second they might be first with the chiefs as far as a pro bowl players imagine because how many times they've been the number

one seed and got bounced in in the first round or the second round with that talent and with hold on when they had the best running back in football zeke elliott the best offensive line in football and they when they were taking eight nine ten guys into the pro bowl when they had, when they had, when they had, when they had those teams with, with Romo and Witt and, and, and, and, and, and, and they had the markers where and they had all those guys. Boy, it was nice, but they were loaded, well, they were loaded, but I think, I'm not sure why Jerry can, can, can't, can't get it or can't see it. Yeah, it won't credit. Listen, but on, you look at the Patriots, right? Look at all the teams that are successful every season. Every season, the Patriots when they, their dynasty and they're good years. You had Belichick, you had Tom Brady.

Forget that part. Where did it start? Mr. Crabb. And the only time you heard from Mr. Crabb is when he was taking the trophy out of Roger Goodell's hand. But everything starts at the top. And winning starts from the front office and it trickles all the way down. Right. But Jerry wants it to be about him. The Chiefs.

That's why that's why, that's why people are, oh, Tom Brady should go to the, Tom Brady should go to the Cowboys. Boy, you, Tom Brady say, And Jerry, I'll play for you for a million dollars. And Jerry would have told him, hell no, because Jerry would never be bigger than Tom. And Jerry don't want nobody to be on the Cowboys to be bigger than him. So that's not going to happen. I don't get why he's doing it like this.

But look, they go, I guess this is their, you know, you have a negotiation in the media. Right. And when it should be negotiated behind closed doors. Oh, well, X, Y, V, we negotiated. We had a deal done. Mike and say, well, hey, I don't even want to play for y'all no more. Yeah. Let me go.

Hey, let me go somewhere. And Jerry's continue to do this on purpose because it does what? It keeps whose team. In the media, you were talking about them. Yeah. Because there's nobody, I mean, are we, I mean, the only other team that we talk about is Cleveland and Shador. In go.

We really, if you really think about it, Ocho, we really having a discussion about no, no, you know, we talk here and there about, you know, the broomass between, between Aaron Rogers and Mike Tomlin. I would just read a little bit about Matthew Stafford got something going on with his back or something. Yeah. But for the most part, Ocho,

it's the Cowboys, the Micah, Jerry, and you got your door. Yeah. That's pretty old. It's been a relative, a relative quiet training camp cycle. Mm-hmm. And, you know, Jerry's like, hey, let me start some ish. like hey ain't enough popping off for us right now let me start some ish and uh and to see

where this thing go yeah but the funny thing about it what i don't like is is for micah i feel bad for micha i feel bad for the cowboys the fans i feel bad for the players because they know that this is how your owner thinks of you if you can talk about your star players like that you really know he thinks about you and jerry is is is at a four front and letting people know nobody run this show with me and nobody. Yeah. Bigger than my program. Yeah.

Everybody bigger than my program. Well, you're at, look, even the team, Jared, just so you know, every team gets a check cut for $432 million. Yeah. So it's not like you're doing an outstanding job because you're not. It sells itself. At this point, it does.

Just like all the other teams, all the other teams, sell them. Granted, now, when it comes to the local market, they probably don't do what Jerry does because it's Dallas, you know. Obviously, they don't sell in Jacksonville or Cincinnati or Houston or Tennessee like they do. Okay, fine.

But they're not going to be, they're not going to be in the line tomorrow either. But just keep doing it that way. He'll get tired of Philly. He'll get tired of Philly and Washington running the divisions. He'll get tired of it. Listen, he would have, it's been 30 years.

If he was going to get tired of it, he would have already picked up on how everyone else is doing things. He's continued to do it his way. He's setting his ways at this. Of course. He's not going to change. If I was the owner of any team, I'd be taking notes. Okay, this is what Kraft did.

This is what Howie and Jeff did. This is what Clark Hunt and Andy Reed, how they handle business. Okay, let me see the Rooney. The Rooney's had success during this era. All right, we're in a different era, but let me see if I can steal some of the, the things that they did and how they conducted business. Let me add this to my, and came with my own game plan, my own formula on how to conduct

things, draft right, pay early, keep certain people, man. That's what they do. They pay early. You identify a guy. We drafted him, a homegrown guy. Let's get him in year three. You know, they got Carlopters. It's going to take a pretty penny to get McDuffie signed.

But, you know. Are they going to, are they going to, are they going to, are they going to sign McDuffey? Could you let the dig, yeah, they're not going to let them go. Yeah. They're not going to let them go. Later in the presser, Jerry tried to use Des Bryant negotiation as reasoning for not wanting to work with Michael Parsons agent. Let's take a listen to what Jerry said about this. Why would you yourself not talk to the agent?

Because the agent, when we have a problem within a team and a player, I don't ever find the agent. He's nowhere to be found. okay Jay Z said that Michael would make all I'm not Michael but that Des would make all meetings

Jay Z and I negotiated the contract we spent hours negotiating the contract Jay Z and he said anybody in my organization is on time

said my office used to be on the street corner and I've always been early so they will be on time I said what do I sign but I'm going to call you finally quit taking my call I know Jared

and Jared Drey Snitch though, Danz. What the hell? What does that have to do with any goddamn thing? He said the reason why I don't like working with agents

because the agent told me that this client was going to be on time. Right. That's what he told me. He said, I'm used to working on the street corner. And if you're working on the street corner

if you're late, if you're early, you're late. So you better believe my guy. If they're in this organization, which was Rock Nation, they're going to be on time. this was a dad's response Jerry Jones, I don't think it's smart

mentioned my name, I kept quiet about a lot of unfair-ish on some G-ish, we have a storytize that's what we can do it. Yeah, you know, you know, you know, you know, he got his little piece, but you can't win that war. Yeah.

You can't, Dave, you can't win that war. No. You can't win that war. And what I wouldn't do. I'm not getting into it. I'm not getting, because Jerry, see, Jerry, Jerry is the type of tell all your business.

Yeah, he, Ocho, that's a little, okay, Dave was late for meeting, okay, fine, yeah, I get it. Sure, who wouldn't? Because I was, too. But Jerry might not, like, hold on. No, Jerry, you can't say that. Oh, I was supposed to tell that much. You know, you know, the old people,

Ocho, when they measure, they don't really have no measuring. They go by field, they go by, okay, this and that. Ain't no measuring cup. Some, some, you know, coaches, owners might measure. Okay, I get a little bit. Jared just poor. Hey, listen. If he can do to Micah, who is of value to his franchise right now,

what do you think he'd do to Des who is of no value right now? Yeah. Playing for you. Yeah. You know, so I went, and also I wouldn't want to, there are certain bridges I don't want to burn. Yeah, for sure. Certain bridges I don't want to burn.

don't want to burn because you never know when you might have to cross him again. Yeah. I'm sure Dad was sitting on his couch. Right. No, Dad was probably playing a man because you say Dad's good with sticks. Yeah, yeah.

That's nice. They're right. I'm going to say, what the hell I got to do with this? I'm buying my own business. And you bring me into this. You know what's funny is we have people on the outside, you know, looking at it. They're just owners.

And I want people to understand how powerful, how powerful these individuals are outside of the game of football. I want people to understand. So when I just said there are certain bridges you don't want to burn even if, okay, you know what he says something you don't like? You know what? There's certain things you got to let go because you go on the war with something. You will never be able to defeat.

And it can ruin a lot of things for you outside. if you get what I'm saying. And folks is very, very, very, very powerful outside of football. I think people don't, you know, I think people really don't really don't understand the power that these individuals have. Oh, yeah, they do. I mean, I mean, the cat, just a regular, regular football fans. Like, people in the chat, I don't think that's, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

How powerful people are. Yeah. I told him, Mr. Boland calling got my money back. Ocho I can If I give you the right tools You can probably win the war But I got to give you the white weapons to go fight

I don't know Currently if Michael has the weapon To fight Now You have no leverage on Nope It's unfair.

Yep. But I'm like, hello. How long Dan's been, how long you've been retired? Seven years? Eight years? I'm not sure why he even bought Dad's name up.

Yes. It makes no sense. Because here's the thing. You could say that you didn't have to use Dads. You could have said there have been times that the agent told me that player X was going to get treatment. Player X was going to do X, Y, and Z. Right.

With player X does not. do that and I try to get on the phone with the agent, now all of a sudden he won't return the calls. Now, but when we're negotiating money, he's calling me. Right. I got all this, I got all this, I got,

I got his landline. And you know, a whole lot of people ain't got landlines no more, but I got his landline, I got the number to the secretary, I got his personal phone number, I got X, Y, Z. All I'm saying is, he didn't have to use DAS.

It ain't make no sense. He didn't have to use deads. Make no sense. And I can assure you, Dez is not, but dads, hey, just let it rock.

Let it slag. You good, hey. You're the major money. You're straight. You're living dollars. You got a nice life. Don't mess it up with some petty bulljive. It ain't even worth it, bro.

You know that. I know it's frustrating that he dragging you into a something you ain't got nothing to do with. That's between Jerry and Micah and David McLevel. Yeah. They got to do it, Dad's Brat. At all. I don't know if there is an agent.

I don't know if Rock Nation has a client on the Cowboys. I don't know. All I do know is that Dez's name shouldn't have been brought up when you're trying to make a point of why you don't like negotiating with agents. Right. But all these millions, so let me, so I'm just saying.

He's throwing everybody down to the bus, huh? Jerry throwing everybody on the bussy reversing over them yeah Lee what man what he's doing it backed up over

but I thought that was the whole thing that's the whole thing about having an agent I mean when Jerry I guarantee you when Jerry go to negotiate these hundred million dollars deals

Jerry send his hundred million dollar lawyers in there to negotiate with the other company it's a hundred million dollar lawyers right How do you think him and Mugoletta don't get along? You think they got some personal issues or something? No, Mugoleta going to be looking to reset the market.

Damn. The same thing Todd Franz did when he got Dax money. Now, I don't know who represents CD, but I know Todd France represents that. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm looking to reset the market because I want to keep climbing higher, and I'm trying to get as much money as like guaranteed K.

Because I'm trying to get, who got the most guaranteed money? a Miles Garrett, 123, okay. I'm trying to get 140 because we're going to keep pushing it. You're going to keep pushing it. Oh, Lamar Jackson said, oh, did y'all see what Josh Allen got guarantee?

I'm going to need that. Because he got one MVP, I got two. Matter of fact, you know, should have had three. You know, shoot, Lamar going back to the table after this season. Hell, Lamar tried to go back to the table before this season. Yeah, well. It's been to happen.

I'm sure it hit the ticket at some point. I'm just saying, hey, I'm just saying, look, if you're talking about north of what Josh got, I'll let your boy. Yeah. If that ain't what you're looking for, what we're talking about. Hmm.

Damn. I mean, what's the mark? 28, 29? He's straight. He good? Yeah. Boy, man, I can't believe Jerry be throwing everybody out of the books.

Hey, man, Jerry don't care, man. Buddy don't care, man. He thugs. Jared, you do realize these. First of all, Jared, you do realize these are supposed to be private conversations. Like when you talk to an agent, you're supposed to be private. This man mentioned Jay Z by name. I did the deal with Jay Z myself.

So he's going to be on time. Say, tell me where I sign it. Right there. Hey, man. Oh, I had a conversation with Mike in March at the big Twitter. championship at the Super Bowl? Right, right. Bro.

That's not to do with nothing. This is business. Man. Hey, I don't know how about, Jerry, you're wearing a wire. You're telling it all about you. You're telling everybody's business. Jared put it out there, bad. Yeah, Dave's response, I read to quote

Jerry Jones, I don't think it's smart to mention my name. I kept quiet about a lot of unfair ish on some G-ish. We can have a story time if that's what we're doing. Nah, just let it rock dance. Let it rock day. Rock Nation, Terrence Steele. Oh, okay.

Terrence Steele, he's the right tackle on the Cowboys. Rock Nation also responded in 2015 at the club, at 21 Club, on a napkin, Jerry Jones, Juan Perez, Sean J.Z. Carter, and Stephen Jones negotiated a five-year, $70 million deal, which included $45 million guaranteed and a $20 million signing bonus for Debs Bryant at a time, which was the second largest contract

for a wide receiver in NFL history. The claim that Mr. Carter or Rock Nation representative did not return a call from Jerry Jones is not only a false statement, but it's also a comical one. Rock Nation sports, you know, sports representative.

So not Jerry line, too. Well, shoot, you know, who don't, we all listen, but... He ain't handling business the right way. He ain't handling business the right way. Nope. But guess what? He don't care.

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