No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen - BONUS EP: Jon Lovett on debate expectations

Episode Date: September 30, 2020

Jon Lovett (Pod Save America, Lovett or Leave It) co-hosts to discuss debate expectations, expanding the Supreme Court, the fallout from Trump's taxes getting leaked, and all things Vote Save America.Written by Brian Tyler CohenProduced by Sam GraberRecorded in Los Angeles, CAhttps://www.briantylercohen.com/podcast/Please visit! votesave.us/btcSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Okay, hi, everyone, and welcome to our first bonus episode. So we have a co-host today from Love It or Leave It and Pod Save America. We have John Lovett. Hi. How you doing? So John was kind enough to join us for a four-hour special on why day, late savings time should be permanent. So take it away, John. Floor is yours. Thanks. I'll do what I can in four hours. We're going to start where this story must begin.

Ancient Mesopotamia. All right. We shouldn't fall back. Some states can, but we shouldn't, all right? I want to stay in this daylight savings time. You heard it here first. Well, no, you definitely didn't hear it first. If you've listened to John, you've heard it here, you know, for the 6,000 times.

But it's still important. It is. So let's jump in. I know this has been litigated to death, but let's talk about expanding the court. So let's operate under the assumption that Amy Coney-Barritz confirmed. Even if Biden wins will have a 6-3 court, which means that an already bold agenda is basically prone to be entirely struck down, right, a strengthened ACA, women's rights, climate change, voting rights, all of it's basically at the mercy of a court that Donald Trump

himself constructed a third of. So how do we procedure without expanding the court? So I think, first of all, like I don't want to assume, and I don't think we should yet assume, and I know you're not saying this, that they're going to get this done. I think we have to fight like hell. I'm not saying it's an easy fight, not saying it's a fight, we're poised to win, but I think we have to take it I'm a world historic procrastinator and for me I think if a project seems too hard you got to break it down into its digestible components

and I think like first we have to just delay it past the election and fight like hell to push this beyond the election and hope that there's a shift in politics or something that makes it harder for them to do this in the lame duck. That said you know this will be a court put in place by presidents who lost the popular vote basically a right-wing court that doesn't reflect the democratic choices of the American people.

And for those who are skeptical of expanding the court, I'm skeptical of it too. I'm worried about the risks of doing that. I'm worried about what happens if you start down that road. I don't like it. I don't like that we're in this position that's required of us to defend democracy. But at a certain point, we're going to have to make a choice. Do we want to pass a climate bill that will withstand scrutiny at the Supreme Court that will help us create millions of jobs and clean energy and help make sure that we do our part to solve climate change at a moment when it's plain to see across the country how much damage it's doing? Or do we want to allow this undemocratic body to overturn climate regulations?

Do we want to expand health care or do we want to be at the mercy of a court that is going to be very, very hostile to any government involvement in providing basic social services? I mean, Amy Coney Barrett, there's this article she wrote when she was a law professor, I believe. And it's really interesting. It's a really instructive look at her ideology outside of politics, outside of this nomination process. And basically, it's an ideology in which she says, as an originalist, there are vast parts of the social welfare state, vast parts of the regulatory state that are unconstitutional, not just Roe, not just the affordable care act. We're talking about the Social Security Administration. We're talking about paper money. Now, does that mean she'll overturn every one of these things? No, she builds an architecture

to defend why her originalism will allow certain things to continue to exist. But the threat is there. The ideology is there, and it is radical and it is dangerous. Building on what you just said, I'd also caution against operating under the right-wing talking points that somehow expanding the courts is the bad thing here. What a conservative court represents in actuality is the unpopular thing here. It's a conservative court represents, like you said, you know, this is the end of the ACA. This is failing to meet the existential crisis that is climate change. It's failing to pass voting rights legislation at a time when we need it. You know, it's women's rights that are in peril right now. And yet the right is trying to convince people that the issue here

is that the number nine is sacrosanct, which is not the issue. No, the issue is following the will of the American people. And the only way to do that, you know, in the event, like you said, that that we, that we do lose this majority, that the nomination is put forward, is expanding the court. Because that is a good thing and that should be embraced, not run away from. Yeah. I mean, look, you know, a while back, McConnell was asked at some Republican event, what would happen if a Supreme Court vacancy opened in the final year of President Trump's first term? And he said, we'd fill it. And everybody laughed. Why did they laugh? They laughed, because they knew that what they did to Merrick Garland was not a precedent that they would honor.

They knew they were full of shit. They knew that they were hypocrites. And what you see a lot of people on the right say is like, these are just the rules. You know, they have the majority in the Senate. They have the White House. Well, expanding the court is part of the rules. The court has been expanded many times in our history. There's no law.

There's no constitutional requirement of nine justices. It's well within Congress's prerogatives to expand the size of the court. And I think as part of a broader agenda to revitalize our democracy by giving people in Puerto Rico and D.C. a say in how they are governed, protecting the democratic process from gerrymandering, protecting it from vote suppression, making sure that the right to vote is protected across the country. I just think their answer to these anti-democratic forces is democracy. Totally agree. Well said. So Democrats have shifted their focus, you know, from, oh, the hypocrisy to this is a death now for the ACA, which I think is smart, you know. Not that

the GOP's hypocrisy, you know, being on full display isn't a bad thing. But I do think that the ACA argument is the more effective one here. So do you think we'll be able to capture the same enthusiasm as we did in midterms for this election or, or, you know, is scandal fatigue drowning this out? I think we're on track to have the biggest turnout in our lifetimes in a presidential election. That doesn't mean it's, nothing is written and nothing is for sure. We have to do our part to make sure everybody turns out. I don't know. I mean, look, Republican, are banking on the idea that there is their core base of people who are motivated by issues like overturning Roe v. Wade are motivated by a right-wing court, that that's more important

to making sure their coalition turns out and is successful than alienating the big majority of Americans that do not want to see Roe overturn and are supporters of the ACA. So they're betting on, as they do in virtually all of their politics, they are betting on enthusiasm of their minority in defiance of the will of the majority. You know, there comes a point when even if you get 100% of like 38% it's not going to be enough, right? And still doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on a shrinking base of people who don't form the majority of this country is not a winning formula. And it's also not a formula that's ever going to take us out of this minority rule that we're living in right

now. Also, I want to say predicating this election on health care, also won Democrats' 41 seats in midterms. It was the biggest margin in U.S. history. So it's almost like Trump's disdain for Obama is worth more than him even keeping his job. Like the ACA is fine. It's here. It's law. It's popular.

But Trump hates the guy that it's named after so much that he's willing to make this election a referendum on it, even if doing so is going to cost his job because taking health care away from people in a pandemic is bad politics. Yeah, it's really baffling the kind of political. I think it may just boil down to the fact that what Mitch McConnell wants and which Donald Trump needs are just different things. Like McConnell views judges as part of his legacy. He views having a quintessential Scalia acolyte like Amy Coney Barrett on the court as the, like the final achievement of his time as majority leader, which I think he sees as potentially slipping away. You know, I said this on Pod Save America yesterday.

You get the feeling with these Senate Republicans that it's like, a bunch of, like the old crew getting back together for one last heist. Like one big job fell in their laps. And even though they were out, like they were out. And the walls were closing in and the voters are closing in. And they can see that they're about to kind of have to run away in a chase. They're just going to go for it like De Niro and Heath just like saying fuck it and going for one last big score. But you know what happens when they come out of retirement for one last big score?

It doesn't work. If it worked, it wouldn't be that good of a movie. So let's jump over to tax returns. So we have the New York Times story that shows that Donald Trump paid $750 in taxes in 2016, $750 in 2017. No taxes at all in the 10 out of 15 years prior to that. So what do you think is the effect here? Because I'm trying to decide if this hurts him because everyone pays more than $750 in their taxes. even the most diehard Trump supporter has to think, okay, that's, that's not great, you know,

or will it not hurt him because, of course, nothing hurts him? Well, so I think that will something hurt Trump, will something matter? It's not an on or off switch. So the way I think about it is, polls can be wrong. They can turn this around. They can tighten. Some of these constituencies can come home to Trump. Things can get worse in the polling for sure, or the polling can be wrong.

caveats they're out there I've given them you've seen them I just did the caveats I want them on the record that said if you're Donald Trump and looking at this the current polling and the current dynamic in the race you want something to change you want to win some news cycles you want to you want to grab the microphone you want to tell some stories do some narratives on your terms Biden wants the dynamic to largely remain the same the story is about his failures on the coronavirus is chaotic governing his chaotic campaign and being down on the polls right like Joe Biden thinks things are going okay in the campaign Trump needs something to shift every day that there's a scandal like this every day the story is being driven by someone other than the Trump campaign

by something other than the Trump campaign that's another day Trump is losing to make his case so I think it's valuable there the other thing I would say is let's look at the people that are out there like look there's a core group of people that are going to vote for Joe Biden no matter what there's a core group of people that are going to vote for Donald Trump no matter what what about those swing voters that may be leaning towards Biden. They want to know more about him. They don't like Trump. Did this story about Trump's taxes help them make their decision? Maybe. Did it help Trump? I don't think so. Did this make his base more enthusiastic about voting for him? I don't think so. Did it make our base less enthusiastic about voting for us? I don't think so.

So I don't think there's any read of this story that helps Trump. I do think it probably helps us at the margins. I think we will see in time how much of a mark this leaves. I think $750 is one of those incredibly memorable, easily understandable ideas that will make people very mad. Right. I also want to point out, too, you know, like him not paying taxes and people like him not paying taxes isn't just a matter of like, oh, he's a smart businessman. This is just more proof that he understands the system because it's not. Him not paying taxes means that he's not contributing to cops to his favorite, you know,

law and order a talking point. He's not contributing to the U.S. military. He's not contributing to firefighters and first responders, all the people that he panders to while trying to pull votes out of them. He's not contributing to schools. He's not contributing to teacher salaries. So, you know, I think when he's going to make this final push, especially, you know, while doubling and tripling down on this, you know, law and order talking point that he's been using as we get closer to the election, it's going to be a lot harder for him to sell that. And it's going to be a lot easier for Democrats to just turn around and say, like, you don't even contribute. be to these to these entities the way that i've sort of broken it down for myself is that i i see three

big takeaways from the tax stories so far and there's more to come but this is what i this is what i see from those stories one uh the system sucks right it's a crime what's legal that's absolutely the case and we have you know if you go if you go look at the the data pro publicly did a report on this the most audited counties in america uh they're not you know they're not greenwich connecticut they're not Silicon Valley, they're poor counties in Mississippi because they go after poor and rural black people for the earned income tax credit, right? And even as they do that, the resources for investigations into millionaires into high-level tax fraud has been reduced, right? That tells you that the system is rigged. That's one. Two, even in a rig system, Trump is not normal. Trump is one of the great

tax cheats in American history. One of the great losers in terms of how much He has claimed to have lost one of the great cheats in terms of how many of these ridiculous write-offs and schemes and fees and all the rest that he has been doing for years. There's this sort of cynical stance you see on the right of, oh, this is just business. It's not, right? There are plenty of shady customers and shady businesses doing all kinds of things. This is an extraordinary abuse, and there's a lot of fucking lawbreaking going on under these numbers. The third thing, which maybe the least valuable thing politically at this point, maybe the hardest part of it to actually talk about, the least valuable we'll talk about, but I actually ultimately think maybe the most important

piece of the story, you cannot look at these numbers without realizing that there's something missing. There's something we're not seeing. You know, when when astronomers look up to try to find a black hole in the sky, they look to see what's being distorted around it. They can't observe it directly. It's not in the data, but they can look around it and say, hey, there's a big gravitational pull out there that's pulling all these stars, that's making all these disturbances, that's making all these distortions.

You look at Trump's numbers. They don't make sense. The debt doesn't make sense. Where the money's going doesn't make sense. How he's moved the money around doesn't make sense. Unless you assume there's a big, invisible, gravitational pull out there. I don't know if it's money laundering. Seems like it might be, whatever the criminal activity is. You can't understand these numbers without assuming that there's a black hole, our instruments are not yet detecting, that tells the truth about why this money is being moved the way. that it is. There is a reason why the federal government doesn't give security clearances to people who have high amounts of debt. It's because they're vulnerable to blackmail, you know, that other countries, for example, can use that debt to leverage them to do what they want. So like, for example, you know, it might cause a president, let's say, to not retaliate against, oh, I don't know, let's just pick a country at a thin air, Russia, you know, like even in the face of election interference. Saudi Arabia. Right. I mean, you have Jamal Khashoggi. being dismembered, and all that Trump can do is applaud their leader.

We have Russia interfering in our election as we speak. We have Russia placing bounties on our soldiers' heads, and nothing happens. And like you said, I mean, there could very well be a reason for that, and this could be one of them. Absolutely. I mean, look, what do we know about Donald Trump? We know he's in massive debt, and we know he views all relationships as 100% transactional and about what they mean for him personally. That is a, I would say a terrible combo for a president.

That's just my take. Call me crazy. So let's jump over to the debate. Sure. We're recording on Tuesday right before the debate. So by the time this comes out, the debate will have already happened. So since viewers and listeners are going to see and hear this afterwards, what about if we just reported on it as if it already happened?

So I'll start. Okay. Crazy debate, John. Got a hand it to Rudy Giuliani and the Trump campaign. for looking in Biden's pockets and finding the bottle labeled performance-enhancing drugs for debate. Really glad they shut that down. It's like that born movie with Jeremy Renner, everybody pretends didn't happen, you know? Taking the blues, taking the greens.

Yeah, let's see. What are my conclusions from the debate I haven't seen, but others have seen when they are hearing this? One, I thought that the debate moderators could have done a better job of adjudicating Trump spreading just flat out misinformation. They stepped in a few times, but let a couple of real humdingers go by to a extraordinary amount of bullshit coming from a Donald Trump who was basically unprepared and very much not used to being questioned because he's been president for four years and has been used to yes sir and no sir for a very long time. And I also do think Joe Biden, I am hopeful I'm hopeful did a good job of basically using this as an opportunity to not only call Trump

call Trump to account for his failures as president to not let him get away with what he's trying to do, which is declare bankruptcy in his first term and run as a challenger, and have an opportunity to speak directly to the American people calmly, like a president, like an actual leader, somebody with compassion, basically giving a lot of people out there the reassurance that he has a plan for how to defeat the coronavirus and bring the economy back and expose people to a pro-Joe Biden message that a lot of people have said to pollsters is what they need to hear to go from leaning Biden to voting Biden. I think that's really well said.

I really hope that happened. Yeah, I do as well. And I think that there's a good chance of it. You know, I think Biden has been for all, you know, we still fall victim to, again, like, right-wing talking points in terms of like their desperation to define Joe Biden. And I think Biden himself has been really effective when he has come out and spoke about his ability to lead this country, especially in the midst of this pandemic, especially what's happening in terms of this economy, whereas all Trump's been doing is deflecting blame and

diffusing responsibility. And, you know, I think there's only so many times while people are watching their friends and family members and neighbors and teachers and, you know, die of coronavirus that you can say, oh, well, it's China's fault. You know, like, meanwhile, if you look at New Zealand, if you look at Australia, if you look at Canada, if you look at Germany, all these countries have it under control. This isn't happening in a vacuum. We don't have to say, oh, well, we couldn't have done any better because all you have to do is, look, one country up to the north, and they're doing better. Yeah, I mean, look, the good news, if you can call it that is right now, the American people in poll after poll, they basically call the coronavirus and getting out of it and rebuilding the economy as the most important issue facing the country, and they view Donald Trump as someone who failed on the pandemic. Now, it is a remarkable part of this polling and a uncomfortable part of this polling that consistently there is an advantage Donald Trump continues to have on the economy.

It is a connection that is just incredibly strong for him. And people, while they blame Trump for the pandemic and they view the pandemic as having damaged the economy terribly, they still do not make the connection that he's responsible for the economic problems and that he's ill-suited to bring us. back. Now my hope is that this tax story plus Joe Biden having the opportunity to talk about his plans is going to help shift that dynamic. It's just one area where Democrats can look at this and say we can do better here. Totally. I do want to talk about Eric Trump. I don't know if you've heard the news, but we got a pretty big announcement from Eric Trump today. I'm going to play it here. Her name is Chris. She doesn't want to give her last name because she says that her

colleagues at work, it wouldn't go well with them. She lives in Manhattan. She's in her 50s. Secret Trump voter. That's right. She is, she's gay. She said her 401k went up with your dad, 19.6 percent gas prices better than they were under Obama. She goes on to say that Obamacare was $560 a month for her, and she had lost her job, so she was priced out. She talks about crime in the neighborhood. She talks about Bill de Blasio and how he's inept, that the Russia, Trump, Russia thing, the Clinton's fingerprints are all over it, she calls Joe Biden weak, is this, but she doesn't want to use her last name. And there are a lot of people that might be voting for your dad that aren't admitting it. And it was Brett Stevens, who's been a critic of your dad

who wrote the editorial. So are you counting on this person, on the secret voter? Ainsley, that person's there. I'm telling you I see it every day. The LGBT community, they are incredible. And you should see how they've come out in full force from my father every single day. I'm part of that community and we love the man. And thank you for protecting our neighborhoods and thank you for protecting our cities. Big announcement. Big announcement. Expected a lot of things from Debate Day. But Eric Trump coming out on Fox News was not one of them. You know what? All right. Look, I don't want to speak for the entire LGBT community. It's not my place. I can't do it. But I will say that I'm going to put out a letter for us all to sign that says,

no, thank you. Stay where you are. That said, two points. One. That is a conversation about an incredibly stupid outbed from Brett Stevens, the New York Times that claims he has an anonymous Democratic lesbian from Manhattan who is for Trump because of low gas prices and the fact that Bill Barr is going after corruption. That is a completely insane. The first thing I thought of, it's like, okay, you have somebody in the heart of Manhattan and they're going to vote for Trump because if there is one issue that someone in Manhattan is going to vote on. It's the price of gas.

I just find, like, this. And also, by the way, one other piece of it, too, is it's, it was like, oh, you know, look, I, I am a Democratic lesbian, but if I get to a mean word in the newspaper, I close the paper. Like, I'm sorry. Have you met lesbians from Manhattan? They're tougher than that, my friend. What are these, who are these soft, shrinking violet Manhattan lesbians? Give me a break. That's one. Two, let's look, I think Eric Trump was still quoting a fake gay person. I think he's not admitting that he is a real gay person.

He was quoting a made-up gay person who says the community is for Trump. That is not true any more than it's true that Eric Trump has joined the LGBT community, I think. So let's jump over to Vote Save America. Let's do it. Really great stuff. I sought out Vote Save America because I think it's the best tools we have for all things voting as we head into this election. I think that they've done you guys over at Crooked and the Vote Save America folks have done a phenomenal job of just of giving everybody everything they need. So what are some of the big dates that are coming up with Vote Save America?

Yeah. So one thing that everybody should know is if you go to Vote Save America, you can sign up and basically we will, it's a one-stop shop to tell you everything you need to know from making sure you're registered, making sure your friends and family are registered. finding ways to donate and help from local races to national races to find ways to volunteer. And one other thing you can do there is you can adopt a state. So the question we get all the time is, I live in a blue state, I live in a red state. What's the most effective way for me to help? And we can basically help you adopt a swing state. So you can adopt one of six states, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Florida, Arizona,

or Pennsylvania where I've adopted. And basically, once you sign up, we're going to help make sure you know exactly what you can do to be the most effective as a volunteer. as a voter. And that's, and we're going to do that by giving you some sort of key dates where you can make the biggest impact. So on October 3rd, we're going to have a one month out week of action. And we're going to do a big event and you can go to Vote Save America and sign up and help make calls, do some text banking, write letters, donate, get involved. That's going to be basically this weekend. Then the week after that, we're going to have our last big adopt a state push to get people to adopt the state and do the most they can in those really key swing

states. Starting October 12th, we're going to be getting people to make sure that they are ready to vote, that they have all the information they need about the candidates and about their ballots so that, like, basically in all 50 states, there will be information no matter where you are to make sure you have the information you need, not only about how to vote, but the way to vote. And then starting October 19th, we're going to have to make a plan early voting election week to make sure everybody gets their votes in as early as possible. But the key thing is, if you go to Votesaveamerica.com and sign up, you will get an email that tells you exactly what you can do right then to help.

Because one of the things we hear all the time is I haven't volunteered before. I'm nervous about it. I don't know what to do. Go to Vote Save America. If you've never been involved before, if you've never made phone calls, if you've never really taken that next step, this is the time to do it. You want to look back on this October and know that you did everything you can because I sincerely believe it is our last chance to make sure we defeat these anti-democratic forces,

to make sure we have a say in how we are governed, and to make sure we have a president, a Senate, a House, and local leaders that will live up to our values and help make sure we actually can make some change in this country. And it is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to be a part of an election where the stakes are basically total. I also want to add that you can go to Votesaveamerica.com slash register. The recommendation to get registered by at the very latest is October 12th. So you still have time, go to Votesaveamerica.com slash register. And if you're already registered, go to Votesaveamerica.com slash verify to verify your registration because Republicans will do their best to kick you off the rolls.

We've seen it before. Actually, we just got good news out of Georgia that Democratic lawyers have stopped Georgia from purging 14,000 voters from the rolls there. So again, votesiveamerica.com slash register or slash verify. John, can you walk us through some accomplishments that Boats of America has had thus far? Yes. So so far in just 2020, almost 50,000 people have used VSA to register to vote. And 260,000 have used our verified tool to confirm that their voter registration is up to date.

We have 250,000 people who have adopted one of the six key swing states to make sure that we win the presidency. More than half a million dollars for voter registration, voter and franagan. and candidate efforts, and we've had 26 million, or I think we're going to be about 27 million, and basically today, to win back the Senate. We've raised a million dollars in our unifier die fund. That was a fund to go to the Democratic nominee, no matter who it was, because we wanted to make sure we all came together. We've raised, we're now in the process of rating hundreds of thousands of dollars to

fight gerrymandering by winning some local races. We're doing a house fund to keep some, basically we work with data for progress, which is a really smart, progressive polling firm to identify places. where your dollars will do the absolute most good to make sure we hold the house and to make sure we win some local races. So we've done a ton of fundraising, a ton of volunteering. And, you know, those 250,000 volunteers in the Adopt-a-State states, that's really going to help make sure we win in those states.

And if you want, you can become part of that Adopt-A-State program. And it's fun. You can become part of a community. And if you've never volunteered before, I am talking to you. not talking to somebody else there's nobody else there's you i know you haven't done it before i know most people listening probably haven't done it before i am telling you take a chance try it once you'll be hooked it's not just the right thing to do it feels better to take action than it does to just retweets so do me a favor if you don't like it after you phone bang for an hour if you don't want

to text anymore fine try it once i am telling you it feels good to do the right thing i just want to bring bring up one thing real quick about your state that you've adopted Pennsylvania, and that is to, if you've got a mail ballot, make sure that that ballot goes inside the secrecy envelope first and then inside the outside declarative envelope. And I think Republicans are banking on this fact because that's why they fought it in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. They're banking on the fact that people will screw this up. Yeah, if you're in Pennsylvania, if you know people in Pennsylvania, you fill out that ballot, blue or black ink, you put it in the secrecy envelope, Then you put that secrecy envelope in the second envelope.

If you have trouble remembering this, remember this. Two fucking envelopes. That's all you need to remember. Two fucking envelopes. Then you sign and you date that bad boy and you send it in. You may need a stamp. Not sure. Some places you may need a stamp.

But if we're in Pennsylvania, we're telling everybody that you need both fucking envelopes. There it is. Remember. So the last thing I want to talk about is the states pages. The last thing I want to talk about is the state's pages. Votesaveamerica.com slash states is going to give you an example of your ballot, no matter where you live in the country. And this is incredible because I have people asking me all the time. After all of this, they finally get their ballots.

Who do I vote for? Votesaveamerica.com slash states, you put your address in, and it will give you a sample ballot with good, progressive candidates that you should vote for. They've done all the work for you. They've done a phenomenal job of getting, you know, aggregating all this information from around the entire country. It's a massively helpful tool that I think you should take advantage of. And you don't have to just take it from us, all right? Have you ever heard of The Rock? You may know him as Dwayne Johnson.

Sometimes you put him together, Dwayne the Rock Johnson. He endorsed Biden and Kamala Harris, but he also endorsed Votesave America. In fact, right now on his Instagram, it says, The Rock, founder, Vote Save America. And while that is not technically true, we are allowing it. All right. We are calling him a founder of Vote Save America, all right?

Vote with the strength of the fabric of those sweaters being stretched against the various spheres that make up his body. Well, I can't think of a better place to go out on the imagery, on the imagery of Dwayne Johnson's body. So with that said, love it. Thank you so much for taking the time. The fabric. And that's those sweaters, so tight. I think we should fade out on, on you just discussing the intricacies of Dwayne Johnson's body. Are they custom? Are they custom?

I mean, I don't, I can't, you can't tell because he's so deformed the sweater with his muscles. But it's like, I don't think they make sweaters in that shape at Banana Republic, which is what will be if you don't fucking vote. All right, love it. Thanks a lot. Thank you. This is great. You've been listening to No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen, produced by Sam Graber, music by Wellesie, interviews captured and edited for YouTube and Facebook by Nicholas Nicotera, and recorded in Los Angeles, California. If you enjoyed this episode, please subscribe on your preferred podcast app. Feel free to leave a five-star rating and a review, and check out Brian Tyler Cohen.com for links to all of my other channels.